Angry, Heartbroken & Speechless!! - Shogun Episode 9 Reaction
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- Suzy & Steejo react to Shogun for the first time. Shōgun follows "the collision of two ambitious men from different worlds and a mysterious female samurai
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I might be totally wrong here, but the reason the sepukku scene with Mariko is so heavy is because as a christian she believes if she does it with no one to second her she goes to hell. When she realizes she will do it by herself, she thinks she is going to hell. And that's what Blackthorn is saving her from when he steps in to do it.
Yup, that is why the Christian regent didn't show up, hoping the fear of damnation would prevent her from going through with it.
Yeah, eternal damnation with no possibility of parole is literally the worst fate imaginable if you believe in it.
@@Jesterz01 that's a great point. I didnt think about that
@@Jesterz01 I assumed Ishido prevented him from attending. He would not have agreed publicly second her to only not show. That would not only be too dishonorable for a samurai to go back on his word but as a Christian it would mean condemning Mariko to hell. Ishido on the other hand wouldn't care either way.
And Blackthorne choosing to second her (which automatically sending himself to hell) is a show of true love here.
So many people don’t understand why they choose dying…but if you learn about Samurai (Bushi) life, you are gonna understand why.
Most japanese weren’t Samurai families, and don’t choose how to die because their life were taken in the war easily at Sengoku period.
In that time your life wasn’t for only yourself.
So death of honor was rights that permitted to only Samurai families, it was special thing.
That’s why their death had a power to move government.
There's a difference between understanding and agreeing. - Steejo
@@SuzySteejo Samurai families have religious duties.You could consider all the rituals performed in churches. Every suicide is just a ritual to become martyrs. Overall ,you could see the show is all about Japanese religion. I am sure there are many martyrs in Christian religion.
Yes, the reactors sound like Blackthorne in this regard. It’s natural that westerners will resonate with his point of view. But even in feudal western culture, duels and vendettas, for example, took place in which one would risk dying for honor.
@@SuzySteejo I think it can't be helped that it is difficult for people overseas to understand Japanese history and past customs.
@@SuzySteejoits obnoxious that you can't take yourself out of your modern headspace and try a little more to empathize with the cultural values of the time and place.
Hosokawa Gracia's death poem
散りぬべき 時知りてこそ 世の中の 花も花なれ 人も人なれ
Flowers truly become flowers, and people truly become people, because they know when to fall
that's her death poem ... and the hidden meaning is to be your true self (real beauty) while realizing a death ( well, people who are close to death, flowers fade nearly fall were not outer beauty )
in my opinion - Mariko also sees through Ochiba, even if she acts differently, cruel, trickery, sarcastic
but Mariko has known her since childhood and she still is Lady Ruri who was once gentle and caring to each other in the past
that's a bit of advice from friend to friend as a reminder, maybe she wants to say "Stop pretending, you're a better person than this "
You have to remember Japan during the Warring State Period was a chaotic and political mess. Its hard to unite Japan when you aren't ruthless and there are bound to be sacrifices. Also Toronaga is based on Tokugawa Ieyasu who by the way if you read history you will know he is smart as well as ruthless leader. He is the last to unite Japan and ultimately ended the long civil war of Japan, it came with lot of deaths in the way the pave the way for Japan's golden age of the Edo Period. People today cannot understand the idea of honor, seppenku and women during the time and never will, only by living during the time and culture will we truly know and experience what they felt.
In fact, she died after having a vassal stab her in the chest with a spear. The vassal burned the entire compound so that no trace of the corpse or anything else remained, and he also committed suicide.
And it is difficult, almost impossible, to translate the old clever Japanese into English with a solid nuance.
I am Japanese and I watch Shogun with English subtitles, but I wonder, "Is this English really correct? The nuance is a little different, isn't it?" I always wonder.
Japanese is a difficult but beautiful language because the meaning and nuance can change dramatically by changing just one character.
This is especially true in the past.
彼女が名誉ある死を遂げる事で、父親や息子も立派であると褒め称えられる
さすが明智の娘であった、素晴らしいと
マリコは皆んなは人質なんだと示す為にも名誉の為にも絶対に捕まえられる訳にはいかなかった
そして最後に爆発から皆んなを守る為に盾になった
この感覚は日本人でないと分からないのかもしれない
名誉は自分の為ではなく、愛する家族や仲間の為に得ようとする
As a Japanese person, I will explain. Mariko was the only target for the ninjas, but if they had just blasted the door open and broken in, they would have all been killed. However, when the door exploded and the ninjas confirmed that Mariko was dead, they should have left, and Mariko chose that method in order to prevent others from becoming involved.

She stood there to die to make the highborns revolt against Ishido.
As Toronaga commanded her.
She's the sakura samurai.
And her family is the leafless branch. She was the last perfect flower to fall.
まりこ様の“まいりましょう”が“Let's go”に翻訳されていることに、少しだけもどかしさを感じる。言葉って難しいね
The only drama that depicts the true strength of women.
Women don't need to be as muscular as men.
You need to watch more TV shows then. Try 3 body problem or game of thrones, both show some amazing women. - Steejo
@@SuzySteejobut those women heroes are more masculine than most men. Mariko character exemplifies feminine strength and power that is realistic and not fantastical. I believe that is what the commenter meant
What a weird comment @neneneconene. If a woman is muscular and does something heroic physically that too is a true strength of a woman.
@@JL-gx6os Agreed. Those women are superheroic and unrealistic. This show has some truly powerful and amazing women. Mariko can fight. She killed or gravely wounded a few soldiers during Toranaga's escape, and landed a few good hits on two of the castle guards in this episode. She was, however, simply unable to overcome 6 at once. That was realistic, thankfully, and she had some of the strongest scenes of any character in the show in this episode alone.
exactly, the realistic portrayal also makes her acts of strength so much more impactful.
John choosing to second her was the ultimate expression of love. I could not stop bawling at this scene. Not to feed into gender stereotypes, but I was surprised that Steejo seemed more moved by it than Suzy. I think he was wiping away tears. Lucky Suzy, you've got yourself a sensitive man there ! :)
She isn't trying to prove a point. This is winning strategy. If they let her go, all of the hostages are free to go, and without hostages Ichido loses much of his hold over the other nobke families. If they don't let her go, it makes clear that ge is holding them hostage, an unacceptable insult, and her death will lead to a revolt against Ichido. Either way, a revolt against his power.
And that, ladies and gents, is Crimson Sky
Awesome!
Props to the samurai with her. They knew their loyalty and followed through without hesitation.
John choosing to be her second shows how much he loves her to support her choice even though it hurts him. Compare that to Buntaro who constantly stands against the choices she wants to make (remember his scorn of even the way she talked to her son in episode 1)
The color of the sky at dusk when Mariko tried to commit suicide was The Crimson Sky.
It would be great if Mariko were still alive, but the historical facts are as follows.
Mitsunari Ishida (Ishido in SHOGUN), who was an enemy of Ieyasu(Toranaga in SHOGUN), tried to take Garasha Hosokawa (Mariko Toda in SHOGUN) hostage at Tamatsukuri's Hosokawa mansion in Osaka, but Garasha refused. The next day, Mitsunari went out to use his force and had his soldiers surround the mansion. When the vassals told Garasha everything, Garasha prayed a little, then gathered all the maids and ladies in the mansion and said, ``As my husband has commanded, I alone want to die,'' and led them outside. . Later, as suicide is prohibited in Christianity, the chief retainer, Hidekiyo Ogasawara (Shosai), intervened with Garasha and committed suicide by setting explosives in the mansion and setting it on fire so that no body would be left behind. Her death haiku was, ``Only when you know when it is time to scatter can flowers in this world become flowers and people become people.''
A few hours after her death, Father Niecchi Sordi Organtino visited the burnt remains of the Hosokawa mansion, picked up Garasha's bones, and buried them in the Christian cemetery in Sakai.
Ishido must have tried to imprison Mariko somewhere.
Rather than killing Mariko in the video, he was trying to kidnap her.
If he kills Mariko, he will make enemies and divide his allies.
That is Toranaga's aim.
Before the full-scale battle begins, the outcome of the Battle of Sekigahara will be decided by how many daimyo join your side.
I knew the source material of the show and I saw the 1980s version so I knew that this will be the way things will happen, and this episode is the end of Mariko's journey. But like a child I waited for a miracle to happen during the end of the episode. R.I.P. Mariko-sama. And yes, I am angry, heartbroken & speechless just like you guys.
This episode hit like a freight train.
It hit like the force of the keg of gunpowder through the door.
忍者の標的はマリコを殺すのではなく捕まえて人質にすることでした。それを知ったマリコはそれを逆手に取ったのです。
You will like Toronaga more if you stop seeing him as the "good guy" cus he isn't
Right. Toranaga never was a good guy. I don't know why some folks always see him as if he is a good person.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 They think he's Japanese Ned Stark
Yep, this is war that he needs to win at all costs so seeing Toranaga as a Machiavellian lord is better than seeing him as a hero. He is a Tywin Lannister, not Ned Stark.
@@rannierunsfast Both Ned Stark and Toranaga were honorable men, but that's where their similarities ends. Ned Stark was honorable in a goody two shoes, foolish sort of way and he comes up with plans and hope for the best that they work like tell someone what he's planning. Toranaga was honorable in a ruthless, cunning sort of way, making contingency plans ahead when one fails, and is willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve them like his vassals. Those guys are far apart in so many ways.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 It's also worth pointing out that Toranaga was made even more sympathetic than his historical counterpart, Tokugawa Ieyasu. Ieyasu literally told his son to commit seppuku despite acknowledging he did nothing wrong solely because people thought his son *might* commit treason in the future. He was suspected to have been the one who manipulated the events that led to Oda Nobunaga'sdeath in what would have been a 4d chess betrayal. Shogun hints at this too. Oda in this series is Lord Kuroda. And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Interestingly enough, in the scene when Mariko is about to commit seppuku, she hears the wind, the same wind as when she was about to commit suicide while pregnant. Also, Mariko’s death was part of Toranaga’s plan; he knew that it would be challenging to get hostages out without Ishido killing anyone, and he knew that Mariko’s death would shatter ishido’s reputation and would spark outrage in Osaka. I also believe that Mariko knows her death is near; she understands in her last moments that her death was part of the plan for Toranaga to gain the upper hand. Moreover, Ishido couldn't just let all the hostages go since he would list his leverage in the war; he would just kill them all if he didn't have any use for them, so that's why he decided to launch the attack on the end.
anna deserves all the awards
Yes. All of them!
Everyone is playing checkers while Mariko is playing like grand master chess player. She’s such a boss. Taking notes Hollywood. This is how write a strong female character ❤❤❤
Mariko is actually a live-action version of the real-life Christian character Garasha Hosokawa. It reflects the Sengoku period, when women who were born and raised in Japan's famous families lived through this era.
Hosokawa Graciaだよ
歴史上の人物は英語でも苗字→名前の順番
Anna sawai ❤ une merveilleuse carriere t'attends ! 1000 merci pour toutes ces émotions que tu nous a données
マリコの場合、没落した名門の出自であった事から主君の為、ド派手に爆死したとなると後世に名を残す事になりますね。没落の汚名も返上。
MURDER is a mortal sin. Killing is not always considered murder, especially by the Catholic church of the day. Killing to defend you life, anothers life, land, country or honor were notable exceptions. Suicide on the other hand was NEVER not a mortal sin. Lord Kiyama could take penance and be forgiven for chopping Marikos head off, Mariko on the other hand would burn in hell for the suicide.
Let's be honest, the Catholic Church was just making shit up as it went along. - Steejo
@@SuzySteejo It's actually rooted in old-school Jewish tradition and laws. Leviticus iirc, one of the books of the Torah -- which eventually became a core part of the Catholic/Christian Old Testament.
And no, suicide *_is_* considered a mortal sin -- at least to the Orthodox Jews, Catholics, and Protestants. God gave you the gift of life, only He can take it away from you. Or something like that.
They did the Crusades. So killing is something they familiar with.
The joke is that the protestant reformation came about because of the clergy literally making shit up... - Steejo
@@SuzySteejo Indeed. Which is kinda ironic how they're mostly doing the same things they're protesting against centuries ago, regarding tithes, power plays, and political "blessings." The First and Second Vatican Councils have pretty much scrapped most of that nonsense long ago.
But hey, that's organized religion for ya. Greed, influence, and power is what keeps the lights going in them churches.
鞠子のモデルが細川ガラシャなら、このシナリオは理解できる。(かなり残酷だけど・・・)
8:20 My brother commotted suicide when I was 19 and he was 21 back in 1996, but unfortunately it was schizophrenia v. a math / computer genius that went to college at 16 and the schizophrenia won. Such a shame that he lost his fight when we were in the infancy of the internet. He had so much to contribute. 22:28 Remember, Suxy,? She was telling her son about John's blue eyes until Buntaro joined the party and was an ass to Mariko AGAIN? 51:28 Your reaction to the end of this episode was the same as most other reactors I've seen. I'd LOVE for you guys to watch The Boys and Gen V. They seem right up your alley.
“Boo Shiki Boo!” ? Sooo good reaction😂
Suzy: i guess isn't for you, Mariko! Ha ha ha ha! 🤣🤣🤣
Five minutes later ...
Suzy: 😱😱😱😭😭😭😠😠😠
Yall, suicide is not a rational act. You can’t reason anyone out of it. It’s about feeling trapped in a despair that feels permanent, even if it’s temporary. An unrelenting medical depression is the inability to feel hope, to feel worthy of help, to feel as if you have a right to exist. I’ve been there, I was able to get help, but the kinds of meds and therapy that exist for chronic depression don’t work for everyone. So don’t feel angry at a suicide. Feel grateful that you are able to think rationally and “snap out of it.”
I'm probably going to get a whole lot of hate here, but this Suzy girl doesn't seem too bright. Some of the comments she makes don't seem like she's been paying attention to the series and doesn't understand that it takes place in 1600 in Japan? Either that, or she's trying to place the rules of today's western society on 1600 Japan.
Not talking about anyone specific but a lot of people in todays times cant understand why people did stuff back in the day like in house of the dragon pretty much everyone was supporting rhaenyra doing what she wanted over the duty and customs of the times and get mad at alicent when she gets upset when rhaenyra goes against it. Modern people just cant understand stuff not in our time
Garasha Hosokawa, who was the model for Mariko, actually committed suicide due to a bomb explosion.
Japan during the Sengoku period is in a completely different dimension.
Can’t help but respect Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) for not only survived this era that people were dying like flies but also came out on top.
Actually, I might be wrong that he survived this era…considering that this era ended with his death.
I'm Japanese woman.
Mariko＝Hosokawa died by her servant.She orderd the servant to kill her by spear.through the sliding door. the servant could't that she's like dying because of his status,and mariko's husband... was very very jealous man. （She was very beautiful woman.）All of her life was under surveillance by her husband.
History is not certain regarding how Hosokawa Garasha died.
Hiromatsu's death in ep.8 was meaningful for the story.
I heard the script was originally proposed by Mr. Nishioka, who played Hiromatsu.
However, I think Mariko's death in ep.9 revealed the scriptwriter's confusion.
It feels like a forced collage of episodes from Hosokawa Gracia, who became the model.
First of all, in Japanese history, women cannot commit seppuku. (There are only a few uncertain records)
Moreover, she is a Christian.
I feel like they created an impossible story to portray a ``strong woman.''
This is not a criticism of this drama, but a complaint against this novelist.
Whole things in this drama are creation to emphasize the exotic side of Japan.
I hope that viewers will understand that the reality of Japanese history is different.
Sorry for the machine translation almost.
This episode is literally about Mariko. RIP Akechi Mariko.
Toronaqas plan ,Marikos part was to sew ,decent amongst the High Lords ,let them fight each other and than that will leave them vulnerable and open to be taken by surprise ,I think mariko knew this was a one way trip ,she knew that ishido was not going to let her leave ,her actions and death are the seeds that now toronaqa has planted inside osakas castle, was to make sure the Lords revolt against ishido
I read the book between episodes 3 and 4. Really really worth the read Steejo!
The murder/suicide thing is kind if a technicality. As a murderer can ask for forgiveness but a person who kills themselves can't. So very legalistic but not so much spiritual
Ironically, the hostages and their families do value their lives enough to bend to Ishido's bidding. It seems like only Toranaga's forces that are eager for seppuku.
They don’t have the same motivation to do so. Mariko has her personal motivations, and Toranaga and his clan are specifically under threat of being ordered to die by the council. Historically hostages waited out the scenario and were well treated (unless the bargain went sour).
A death = ultimate trump card or chess move
It is not only a political war，it is a religious war the same time.She is a martyr. That is why she tried to kill herself. Shogun is the big lord who has to win the religious war by valuing loyalty ,duty,faith etc.
僕ら日本人から見たら、2人はよく喋り、声も大きい。ちょっと、うるさい。でも、日本人にない感性を持っていて2人の事が大好きです！感情を表に出す事が苦手な日本人には羨ましく思えます😊
Shogunを取り上げてくれてありがとう！日本より
"A Gentleman in Moscow" *hint hint*
「鞠子どの～」のモノマネが日本を侮辱していない？どういう意味だ？✨
The show is amazing and it got me to read the book it is based on by episode 6. They moved around the timings but apart from two VERY major moments, did in the end get it all packed in so far. I can only hope with one episode left that it ends on a high or adds them in!
The only thing I dislike about this show is they stripped john right back to the bones, took away his agency and made him a bit whiney in the middle of the show. The book shows with certainty that he can fight (tho ofc with swords not as well) and his bravery is without question. Many characters men and women openly respect him, and behind closed doors appreciate the effort he makes to try and assimilate. Omi / Yabu / Kiku / Fuji.
I'm reminded of the movie The Barbarian and The Geisha when Townsend Harris is reminded and warned, in Japan we do not belong to ourselves but to our families. We owe them unquestioning obedience. Then he says go Mr. Harris go, before that obedience is turned against you.
This one hurt. I had hopes of one day meeting Mariko and sweeping her off her feet. Was not meant to be, I reckon. I bet that traitor Yabushige is a filthy skipper, too.
She had to die in her mind. It looks like the Ninjas were trying to kidnap her. If she is dead no one can ever us her as a bargaining chip ever again.
How are we suppose to move on without Mariko? (ಥ﹏ಥ)
we wont really understand them because its a cultural thing
just like blackthrone unable to fathom the customs / honor thing
(modern people/ western mindset of being outspoken, whereas in east - asia, they not that outspoken like the west,they have their own culture like especially the paramount respect to their elders)
if we really look at asian drama esp chinese/ japanese they always emphasize honor
simplest ex: avatar last airbender prince zuko and his honor(its a cultural thing)
I always felt like Zuko's initial conception of hOnOR!! was a parody of its true meaning.
I love that people think honor is a distinctly Eastern thing. The entire character of Ned Stark is based on being honorable to a fault. - Steejo
@@SuzySteejohonor doesn’t carry the exact same definition across cultures though. When we use honor to describe Japanese culture, its a translation not the actual thing
personally i love ned stark but we all know people who value honor dont have a happy ending just like ned and mariko( if that makes them happy being true to self and following thier life's purpose - so be it) we go live a life how we see fit
what i was trying to say
"honor culture is very frevent/ DOMINANT(practice) in eastern culture especially OLDEN TIMES"
personal pov: at this time and age , its a rarity to see a person practice
the concept of honor .well times have change.we have free will and liberal mindset and with internet we have a glimpse of other people way of living
ps.
i do agree" honor doesnt carry the same exact definition across culture"
I’m sure a whole lot of y’all Crimson Cried.
Welcome to the Crimson Herring.
Despite my criticism in previous episodes about how Mariko the wife continued to handle her domestic affairs, especially after how the truth of as to why she was kept alive has laready been revealed; I do have all the respect in the world for Mariko, the Retainer. She fulfilled her duty and managed to say out loud what every Lord in Osaka was feeling but were too afraid to say. And she was committed to everything to the end.
(Minor Tangent: I am happy the gate scene was not a "girl-power mopping the floor with all those men" moment) Now all of Osaka's Lords are soured against Ishido; and Ochiba might have to put the engagement on hold in order to Mourn Mariko. Her mission is a success.
Speaking of which, it’s so heartwarming and heart breaking that “Leave us” scene between Mariko and Ochiba. I'm Happy Ruri-hime did not just outright hate Mariko for being her father's daughter; but their exchange was so heartbreaking as they both knew each other so well and what the other was doing and them pleading with each other to make the step to end the hostilities, and saying their goodbyes like that... it was made clear: Ochoba was willing to do anything to continue on living, while Mariko was samurai through and through and was trying to convince her that the duty is what is most important. The fact that Ochiba-Sam’s had to turn away to hide her tears and she can’t maintain her mask )9 fold fence) was just Gold. i think I'm sweating through my eyes.
And Blackthorne finally doing the right thing and deciding to Second Mariko, instead of just dismissing all of Japan's customs and cultures as BS , that was the best gift he could have ever given her. So much so that despite my misgivings about Mariko the wife; their last night of intimacy was completely EARNED; despite all your valid concerns which I mostly agree with.🥹🥹🥹
And thankfully, Ishido stepped in, because Blackthorne was already shown as not capable of properly wielding that sword.
Yabushige's betrayal was to Kidnap Mariko AND not lay a hand on any of the VIPs (it was shown on screen that Shizu and Kiri was not killed when the shinobi identified them in their sleep). They need to make it look like some bandits or assassins got to her while she was sneaking off in the evening despite getting her permits: that was why the shinobi did not kill her right away, but rather were trying to take her away. Mariko became aware of this right away and chose where to meet her end: she did not go to the gate where she would get captured as Yabushige intended. Having grown up there with Ochiba, she knew what would happen when she chose to hole up in the store house.
Yabu is on a one way trip to forced Seppuku next episode with Toranaga as his second.
@@JynxedKoma well duh. He got instructions from Ishido. But there is no paper trail. And he failed to ensure that Mariko gets captured alive. He is dead.
身体で血を拭ったんじゃなくて、身体に付いた血を少しでも払ったって私は思うけど。。
There is no peace without war
Anjin's gun burst into flames🔫
Anjin's shooting is superb！
Ochiba落葉 is Nobunaga信長's niece
Mariko鞠子 is Akechi明智's daughter(princess)
buntaro文太郎 and mariko鞠子 fight and die for toranaga虎永
As a result, it helps everyone
mariko fulfilled his duties as an official in place of his father.
If you keep toranaga alive, there will be peace
Blackthorne has a katana drawn and ready to swing as Ishido comes within arms-reach without guards. Blackthorne should have asked Mariko "Do you want me to off this shit-eating sama?"
Her death will turn the other houses
and to think that the Japanese were 100 times more civilized than the Europeans
If you're looking for a great show whose second season is coming up very soon and you wll very likely enjoy, may I recommend you Interview with the Vampire. :)
Now that this is out of the way, I'm getting myself ready to relive this devastating episode of Shogun with y'all. :(
I too didn't ruin my face on this episode (unlike Horimatsu's which was totally unexpected and not in the book), just because we all know she's been longing for that day and more of a shock in the way she went. Nice reaction 👍
Love your eye makeup here
Love your background, the interior sends lovely and chill vibe. And also love that you mention the book. When people look into the origin and bts of a production, it means they are really interested in it.
Tai-Pan is the next book from the writer of Shogun James Clavell.
こんなに素晴らしいドラマなのに日本のメディアは全く報じません…
何故日本企業が米国製ドラマの宣伝をしないといけいのよ、、、
日本のテレビ局からしたら商売敵でしょうに。
@@kayabaheathcliff9385 何故日本のメディアは韓流グループばかり毎日の様に報じるのでしょうか？
@@ラーテル-j1y
スポンサーが朝鮮系だから。
大阪城に名代として入った鞠子が切腹して城内で首を切られ虎永側に首が送り届くことになれば、名代として役目は果たしたが、交渉失敗、不首尾に終わったと解釈されます。しかし、城に入ったまま行方不明（忍者に捕らえられ幽閉）となった場合、戻らないとなれば、鞠子は反旗を翻し、石堂側についたと思われますね。
石堂側の計画はおそらく鞠子を幽閉した後、忍者などを使って世間に「裏切りの血筋、鞠子、虎永へ反旗を翻し裏切った」と偽の情報、噂話を拡散するでしょう。
Mariko had a real *BLAST.*
And now resting in pieces
You guys should watch Fallout.
Is it ok to watch that with no knowledge of the game? I’d like to watch
@GG-ot8xr yes you don't need any of the game lore to enjoy the show.
@@mmTicoInc ooh I’ll try it
You two should watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Blackthorne offering to second Mariko was so romantic. He doesn't believe in seppuku but he was willing to do that for her, for her peace of mind. He did what her husband never would/could. I cried throughout this episode, it was so emotional.
I blame Toranaga more than Yabushige, people are dying because of his schemes. It started with his son, then his best friend and now Mariko, he will sacrifice anyone and i'm mad at him. He kept Yabushige in the dark knowing that he would crumble, its his fault
Yep, he started the series telling the captain he was coward for wanting to unalive himself and literally walked out on him.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 When did I say that he was a good person? When did I say that I was surprised by his actions?
@@lucasbelmonte2832 Well, that simply isn't true. I never thought he was a good person, he has always used people, I can still be angry as events happen because I care about the people who die. You made an incorrect assumption and you wont admit it. So i'll leave it there
@@KenFromchicago I actually forgot about that! That's an amazing development
mariko mission form toranaga is trigged the Crimson Sky
that mean she must die
ishido need kidnap mariko alive
but shinobi fuckup this
Too many people are being unfair to you guys, I think you're absolutely within your rights to disagree with the decisions that some characters make while still enjoying the story. It's not as though you're hate-watching or accusing the narrative of not making sense. Thanks for just being yourselves and not compromising that. Two true Scots.
Thank you for this comment. It actually gets so frustrating reading people's comments who either don't understand or haven't actually watched the full reaction try to tell us things that we've already said and understood. We absolutely love the show but, as I said in the first episode, I won't treat the culture as a sacred cow that cannot be criticised. - Steejo
@@SuzySteejo Consistency will always matter more to people than if you try to make everyone happy. If you sanitize your opinions or censor yourselves, you take the fun out of content creation while alienating those who came to your channel to get your genuine take (the majority of your viewers). I think this show is absolutely excellent and I revel in calling out people who are unreasonably negative towards it but that's the opposite of what you're doing. You're getting invested in the characters and following their journey while bringing your own perspectives to the table. Trying to appease as many people as possible is a fool's errand and ultimately pointless. Trust your instincts, sincerity has its growing pains when you're still finding your audience (and they're still finding you), but it has by far the best returns in the long run.
John is not a pirate, he is a privateer
A privateer is just a pirate with a letter of marque. - Steejo
Watch Fallout next !
😂😂😂..lol....love your last reaction...😅😅😅😅😅
"It's a mortal sin to take your own life but it's also a mortal sin to take someone else's life” This is why I cannot empathize with her. For me, she is full of double standards and contradictions. She also committed adultery, she doesn't respect her parents. Furthermore, she allowed someone else's husband to steal someone else's wife. Does all of this make sense to Catholics?
It's annoying to listen to y'all apply modern western beliefs on past eastern commonplace practices.
Why? - Steejo
@@SuzySteejo because back then life was miserable for lots of reasons, unsafe, constantly hungry, had to walk a mile for water, a cough could linger for months or years before killing you, i would imagine for people back then, the idea of death/suc would have been the most tempting of fantasies not some horrific final solution lol.
I understand what you mean but it doesn't mean that I shouldn't apply my own morals to it though. - Steejo
And just like that....
I don’t agree that suicide is a cowardly act. I think it must take a lot of courage to end one’s life. However, I think it’s a selfish act to leave people behind in a manner like that. Or the people who have to pick up the pieces afterward.
ピーピーうるさい女だな笑
とても迷惑です