I'm very glad you made this video since you are genuinely an important figure within the sky and beta-testing community for the game and this could bring a greater attention to the issue to the devs and also to players who many not care or pay attention to cosmetics. I share much of the same thoughts as you about prices, especially about some of the solely decorative props as well as how candle farming has gotten bad. The season of Remembrance is particularly egregious to me because the focus of any season is to get the cosmetics, while they have story the story quests are weekly and farming for SC is a daily task, which just feels tone deaf when their are multiple wars and political conflicts happening front and center right now. They're not donating anything of the profit they make from that season to relief efforts or other charities and while the timing of the season could be coincidence it just feels inappropriate. i have not problem with their charitable cosmetics being expensive IAP because its a donation but this season feels like their just pocketing off peoples suffering. I highly suggest you check you the 'tgc critical' tag on tumblr, its very in active but has some people saying much of the same thing. Also if you do make another video critizing tgc you might want to look into the TOS about fan art and the claims that some in game designs were heavily inspired by fanart and other similar things (without the creators premission). Essentially their TOS states that any fanart/creations you make are free for them to use without premission, and from my understanding you cannot opt out of this in any way if you want to make fanart.
So glad to see you speaking up about this. Sky no longer feels like the relaxing social game it advertises itself as. Nowadays its just a grindy glorified dress up game.
I have to agree I started playing sky because of its lore and how beautiful it looks but seeing cosmetic after cosmetic is just sad,what’s the point of playing when you have full everything? You’re just stuck in this set of grinding
Now when I think about it... YEAH! 😭 you're right... It's really depressing...... I do miss the old days when I was a moff... At least I have my bff in sky, she's sooo fun to hang out with... That makes things better.... Right?
Tbh. I’m a bit disappointed in the lack of lore the game gives us. Because i also love lore. Me abx my brother started making up our own lore stuff. :(
Since TGC basically removed AFK farming I thought the prices would go down, since it's harder to obtain candles, but what a surprise that everything is just getting harder and harder to do, it just doesn't make sense.
Also wax from spirits in Orbit. At first I thought it was just going to be a temporary thing so people wouldn’t abuse it in the concert, but no. They just kept it in. Why? Don’t know. That’s TGC for you. Don’t ask questions, just deal with it
This was true for the winter event too! Having to spend 120 candles on a snowman bucket was insane and 50 for the smallest of face items when a WHOLE CAPE was once 70. They are going crazy with the pricing. edit: also for the people who love to say "you don't have to get every item!" well... if you started earlier and were getting EVERY ITEM because they were being drip-fed to you slowly... How is that unfair for the new players to also want a chance to get every item if they grind hard? But with the cost of things now it is LITERALLY not possible. Think about it: if they miss out on items this year then next year they will still have to get the items they missed now PLUS the new items that come out. It's an impossible thing at this rate!
this system with constantly introducing cosmetics and with the never-ending amount of possible ts slowly but surely been going to where we are now; new players obviously want to have all these things, the "you don't have to get every item" rhetoric might work in other games but sky is built around dressing your character up and getting more currency for future cosmetics. it has ALWAYS been a silly dress-up game, but now there's a giant divide between someone who started last month and someone who's been playing since launch. it was bad during early seasons too, i joined during android launch, started to play actively during enchantment, and collecting candles was always a struggle, but nowhere near what newer players now have. my and my friends' biggest issues were completing the realm constellations and occasionally saving up to 150+ candles for ts and some events. the amount of exclusive things you could get was relatively small, even with drawbacks like redundant wax system (had to run full cr daily) it was still doable and not too overwhelming if i joined now, i'd quit. like it's just depressing idk. i would join, naked and broke, and as much sky community likes to say the game is all about friendly interactions and making friends it's not really true, you'll still have to go to other related platforms to find a buddy to play. and then what? as i said, sky is and has always been a dress-up game. it's about creating your avatar and grinding to get new stuff. it's a little bit sad joining a game revolving around these kinds of things and realizing that you have nothing, and the chances of you getting things you actively like and desire, be it something you saw on other players (if they're generous enough to light your candle) or some item you've seen in discord or wiki or whatever, might take months to arrive, and it's totally random every time. i would quit, i wouldn't think it was fair. i already felt bitter knowing i missed on some pants during my moth stage, i can't imagine how i'd feel as a new player now. and with the prices going up, with tgc doing things harder for average player, removing afk spots, yeah it's uh not looking good chief sorry for this rant too. got a lot of pent up anger about this game and its' mechanics and recent changes. i'm still low-key mad they've changed the way friends' stars look in the constellation now too, like i cannot tell the difference
@@on3zt2ey9c As someone whom started about a year ago, totally can confirm, I'm so burned out from this game. I barely care about candles anymore or missing something since I know I won't have the candles for it even if I grind. It's just sad, I really only play to see one real friend that i made who gave me a season pass for Shattering, but I barely manage to see them because of timezones. And I also think they haven't been active either...
@@artistbug7562 lmao yeah same. i have dropped the game for 5+ month periods at this point. i have two friends who i've been playing with since the very first month, and we've all been through burnouts, and all are playing occasionally, but nothing like before. the group used to be bigger, too; those people left and never came back, which is understandable. i think it's just that type of game. other than running cr, there's nothing particularly fun to do. in the past it used to be fun to explore oob, but now it's just kind of whatever, idk. i stopped caring about candles and items probably when i collected the last ts from rhythm or the one before it, can't remember - it was either the juggler ts or the yoga ts, i honestly don't remember which one was the last to come. it just felt like some sort of accomplishment, and after that i didn't actively care about any spirits or exclusive items, and stopped buying passes, in my mind i already had anything i wanted. idk what else is there to do. i don't have any desire to play the game that punishes me for not having enough time to grind daily, i was so relieved when they reworked the wax system and when they added bonfires throughout the realms, it saved time. then they removed the afk spots, which is, well. a fun decision. but as you said even collecting those 20 daily candles feels like a useless task once some new item shows up and you see the price. it's not worth the time it needs to collect these, like cmon now
Yk, for those of us who have played sky for a long time, we’ve seen this game develop and change in real time. We’ve seen it’s ups, it’s downs, it’s updates and additions. We’ve seen this economy issue become more and more prominent in the last couple years. I agree when you say I’m not sure how they’ll fix it, but I think a video discussing this topic would be really good from you; you explained the problem so well in this video in just 5 mins. I’m hoping we’ll see some changes with this but I’ve said that so many times before and.. yeah. It’s getting me a bit down too atm. Sky just doesn’t feel the same anymore
I joined consistently in season of Enchantment. From then on, it was every day for at least 2 hours. Even though I didn't make many friends at first because I love to be solo, I loved the game. 2 years later, maybe 2.5, I've thought about quitting so many times. Even as a vet, it can get very difficult to keep up with the events which seem to be coming back to back now. I cried during the first Aurora quest because it reminded me so much of my moth days starting the game. Going back and being so carefree and being kind for one another is really what we miss as you and Nasty said. I'll also be leaving feedback, but I don't know if it is too far gone already. It may be free to play, but the economy for the igc items is almost making it pay to win the cosmetics. I miss Sky from 2020.
Yeh I miss sky 2020 too, so many of my friends don’t play anymore and it feels like so much energy to make new ones when so many people just want someone to give them hearts, or guide them around without any real interaction. I guided a moth once, then they left and never spoke to me since except to fulfil quests and ask for hearts. I get wanting to be solo, I do that a lot myself, but at least say hi 😕
I do want to add tho, that I still love those little moments where you can have a whole conversations through emotes, or help each other through spirits and quests and spend a while hanging with strangers. Most times we never become friends, it’s just a nice chill way to connect
The rose cape being so flippin' expensive is just insane. I do not know what they're thinking. Also the fact the idle wax locations no longer work if you're idle. It's so frustrating ...
You're so right about the idle locations, it's so obnoxious. The only way ive ever gotten over 100 candles is because of those idle wax locations (or paying real money) and now that we have to work much harder for cosmetics I'm definitely going to get more and more burnt out
this brings me back to the same event maybe a year or two ago, i can't remember, where they've just introduced a big sakura tree in home, and there was no limit for candles. we would just leave the game running for the night and collect the daily cr equivalent of wax in the morning. absolutely glorious lazy farming, miss it every day
@@on3zt2ey9c oh yeah I remember that, it was fun to see lots of sky kid lying under the tree to collect the wax, leaving their sky kid just like that to do their job irl and some sky kid also play a music and chat too under the tree... Yeah good old time, miss old sky so much
@@zaeronmint true true!! it was always so extremely nice going to sleep under the tree and seeing a friend or two snuggling next to you in the morning, such a small sweet gesture of them seeing me online and joining while afk. miss this so much
Yeah, I've noticed a change in the Sky community over just the past year and a half (I started during The Little Prince), there probably is a more significant change for those who've played sky from the beta or even those who started at launch, but there still is a change. Yes, the prices have started to become absurdly expensive (I'd say it started around Days of Sunlight with the 90 candle tent prop) but thats just the economy. The entire atmosphere and interactions I've had have become more toxic and self-centered rather than the friendship and generosity this game was once created to nurture. Now its all about cosmetics and showing off that you've played this game longer than someone else or that you have the means to get something in-game with monetary value. People won't even stop and open the forest doors for each other, or light other people when a candle gets offered. I feel like this has partly been a result of the changes TGC has been making to Sky, but it is still sad to see. I hope everyone is well and you all have a good rest of your day...
Yeah :/ I have to say this out loud: I'm not a social type. From the beginning (I started in season of dreams) I have played alone with occasional social encounters. But now... I actually miss talking to people and making new friends. I literally run when I see someone I have on my list. And why? Because I don't have whole day to play and I gotta grind candles (which are harder to get nowadays, one candle less from my usual run so I have to do longer runs) in the time that I have to play. I still stop to help with the door, light a candle and bow but I no longer wait in the vault for people to open 4 players door, I just chibi fall because it's faster. I realised that I miss social encounters in the game (which is quite odd as for me) recently by the dragon which is so much fun where there are other players around.
The flying over forest gates really annoys me sometimes because when someone flys over, it causes the gates to glitch and not open for anyone after them. Have you ever tried to light the switch, only for it to stop halfway and take forever to open? That’s usually due to someone flying over the gate. I get that some people have to rush to grandma and stuff, just please keep an eye out for moths and wingless players in your server before deciding to fly over the gate 🥺
@@avery-brown Oh, I didn't know that someone flying over is what causes that. I started flying over because of that glitch. I'll watch first if a player is trying to open the gate before flying over it
@@avery-brown that’s not due to flying over, thats due to it having been opened and closed recently! ik this bc it happens in the internal gate in the caves as well (that can’t be flown over). if i see someone go through i sigh bc i know it’ll take a bit for me to be able to open it again after they did
I noticed something when I introduced some of my friends to this game a short while before Season of AURORA. When they first started, they weren't as excited about actually experiencing the game as I was (I started during Season of The Little Prince). They were more concerned about getting the cosmetics to "grow up" from being a moth. It was like being a new player was something to be ashamed of. I've been seeing this in a lot of the moths I've talked to, as well. The majority want help getting candles and hearts for the cosmetics, and not to have fun. While the cosmetics are a big part of the game, it feels like the companionship and overall purpose of the game is being sucked away, and the new players are more stressed about something that shouldn't matter as much as it does. I miss the old Sky... I still love to play it but it's not as fun when you *have* to play *every day* to be able to enjoy it, and not even to experience the connections the game was designed for.
As a PS5 player who started during the Season of Aurora, thank you and YES! I'm in love with the game and play every day, but I'm getting exhausted by the feeling that I HAVE to play every day in order to get candles and hearts. Seeing this new pricing it feels like I'll never ever catch up. I do feel the pressure to get better cosmetics because 1) cape and outfit envy! and 2) I've found other players are not always nice to moths. Most are, but I've had some unpleasant experiences offering other players friendship and since upgrading my cosmetics (like becoming a chibi) I've noticed less of that.
Yeah it's sad but the game has gotten more popular to so I think this was already kind of happening all these ridiculous changes with the currency and pricing have just really changed the community for sure
I joined during shattering, and I can confirm the "shame" in being a moth. I don't buy cosmetics I don't want and I only finished the fire trial recently because that's just how I wish to play the game. Yet, it's people will laugh if you've done Eden and you still have "basic" pants. It's not cool. I felt felt pressured to buy the aurora season pass just days before it ended, so I could have cooler pants, and stop looking like a moth. It sucks. Whilst I try my best to just play how I wish, it's hard to not feel pressured to grind for all the cosmetics. I remember during season of aurora, instead of doing the tasks, I would just make friends in prairie with my tier 1 cape and beige pants. I didn't like that season. Why should I waste my time getting capes I don't like ? Now, I just candle run all day. I barely have time to make new friends, as I need to hit 20 candles. I can't wonder around hidden forest anymore enjoying the music, as if I'm exploring a real forest. I haven't got time, I'm supposed to be saving up to buy cosmetics so I change outfits every other day :/
Yes, this is happening. I introduced my sisters to Sky at different times, while I have been playing on and off for 3 years (my phone couldn't keep up with the graphics for a while) One was introduced just over a year ago, loves to spend time in the forest and prairie, and only very recently got more than a yellow cape. The other, I introduced to Sky in December (towards the end of season of aurora). They are focused on 'not looking like a moth', and are using their time almost exclusively to get candles due to the 200 candle outfit they saw available. It's even happening to me, I find it hard to slow down and hang out, when "I could be using this time to get those precious candles I need" - not just for my own cosmetics, but to recover the cost of sending hearts
It's really true. When I first started playing (around the same time as you) it was a lot of fun. Hanging out with friends in beautiful locations was quite interesting.But for a number of reasons I had to remove sky (I didn't play that long, so I didn't get much). Now, having installed the game again, I no longer feel the atmosphere of the old sky. Every day I do nothing but collect candles and hearts. I really feel embarrassed that the old players have a lot of cool capes, but I, the moth, do not:( Everything is too expensive, I do not have time to save up or enjoy the game. It's exhausting:((
What nags me the most is how long me and I'm sure the community aswell has been with how predictable tgc is with travelling spirits. you can claim all you want that they're randomised. But you have nothing to argue against the fact that whenever a new event rolls around, where all the old cosmetics become available to buy, suddenly a super expensive spirit pops up at the closest thursday to the event. So new players who don't know, see all the new cosmetics available to them, go and spend all their candles/hearts and then when the ts or event comes along they have nothing, and that puts them in a situation where the only way they could have enough to buy the new stuff is to spend money to get candles. It honestly feels really predatory, and like it preys on new player's lack of knowledge, and how older players are all jaded and unfazed to it by now. Along with the whole collecting aspect of sky that is really pushed by the community, when I was a moth I saw all the videos of people with rows and rows of cosmetics and I thought they were so cool, and I wanted to collect everything! Now, I have a bunch of junk that I barely wear (yes some really amazing cosmetics that i adore, but also a lot of random stuff that I really didn't need but bought anyway because of this hoarding culture, and the pressure of cosmetics only being available for a limited time making you think you want them). Really think abt what you buy in sky, but tbh I think that yes it is mostly tgc's fault, but it's also the community for pushing this idealistic, nearly unobtainable goal to get all the cosmetics.
yeah I thought that ts was randomized...then tgc put an expensive spirit at the same time as another expensive limited thing, like I heard about sword pants and now seeing it myself with yeti pants and guitar spirit coming when people are trying to save for aurora's cure for me pants and mask (and also feast items). I understand controlling the ts to be weasel mask after Sky becomes available in a new console, cause its cheap for the new players, but purposely putting expensive things to happen at the same time just looks like they want to pressure players to buy candle packs.
Yeah definitely not random. I've been saying this since the first few months I joined, during LP. It was pretty apparent that they not only time the expensive spirits with events, but the themes as well. The guessing game with the hints make no sense at all either, I think its there only to get people hyped and start grinding again.
Spoke to an actual sky dev at the first ever sky assembly, and they said they were randomized. The thing is, the traveling spirits IN GENERAL are expensive, they're not picking and choosing.
Yeah I definitely feel you on the hoarding thing,, the cosmetics are so pretty but the pricing is crazy :x and I need up with a bunch of stuff I can’t always equally use everyday
The fact that other capes cost around 70-90 candles, but the new items are just too expensive.. it is absurd. I’m very tired of grinding a lot of candles, I bought ox mask today and I have to get ready for the Traveling Spirit too. I really wish I could get the other days of fortune cosmetics, but that is out of my reach. And, This would be my first time experiencing days of bloom, so all the other cosmetics count too.
Yeah. And it’s all of us man, even the ones who have played this game for years and years. It’s crazy to think that even being fully up to date with the game, that including seasons, travelling spirits, events, and everything else still doesn’t change the fact that it is so hard to KEEP up to date in sky currently. Things are increasing in my price all the time, and when IAP items are on the cheaper side they just compensate by adding a tonne of them. It feels like they’re leaving us behind
Agree with you and Kayy. I’ve been playing for years and I don’t feel like I have the luxury of skipping a day if I want to have enough saved up for new items. I feel so bad for newer players. I’m not sure I would stick around if I started today. I really hope they will listen and ease up some
@@AngelxSwift yeah I feel so bad too for newer players. I met a friend a while ago who had played for a couple weeks, and I remember them telling me how they already felt overwhelmed by sky. How they couldn’t even hope to keep up, let alone catch up with the game. They quit soon after because of this and it just sucks
@@Falkayy I’m so sorry. I know that feeling; I don’t bother recommending Sky to people anymore because between the IGC and IAP prices… why would I want to do that to my friends? I hope enough people are able to say something in a way that TGC will listen and back off this some
@@AngelxSwift yeah I hope so too. Revamping some systems such as ts or events might be a good idea, so that rather than trying to fix what’s already been done they just take a new approach for the future. Lowering prices for past items and events might anger some players but I think the vast majority would just be glad for the change and happy for newer players having a chance. I certainly would be happy about thag
SOMEONE SAID IT!!!!!!! Oh my god thank you thank you thank you! I’ve been so distressed about the state of the Sky economy for years at this point, especially as prices have been getting more and more predatory. People *often* say that “it’s a free game” or “you don’t need to buy cosmetics to enjoy the game” when after your first Eden run basically the entire gameplay loop revolves around grinding for new cosmetics. New cosmetics are what drive the game, and it’s gotten to the point where playing Sky feels like an obligation or else you’re going to miss out and have to wait for something that might not even come back in the next 2 years. I’m so incredibly thankful that you said something, it’s so impactful coming from you Honest to god this feels like a bubble that’s been waiting to burst.
I hate people saying “You don’t NEED to buy the cosmetics to enjoy the game”. Sure I don’t NEED it but I do WANT it and there’s nothing wrong with them. I also don’t want to wait for another year just for it to come back again. There’s nothing else to do once you complete Eden aside from participating in seasons, which is basically getting cosmetics anyways.
i was literally about to say they gain nothing from raising igc prices then i remembered you can pay for candles. they especially love doing this with big events back to back or releasing iaps for people to buy not knowing when the spirit with a similiar item is coming back and they have it show up immediately after that offer expires
@@fermentingdragonFR I bought summer umbrella then the regular umbrella spirit came back, sky just cares about money now that it’s becoming more famous. I joined on the rhythm season and now whenever I open the game I feel like throwing up even though I spent so much money on this game..😀🔫
@@vinnyeru i literally spent like 50€ getting that sideshave braided hair from abyss bc i didnt play for a while and found out abt the season too late im still so embarrassed abt that i refuse to pay for anything else. i also really wanted that fish hood ever since i first saw it and i had no idea it was an iap and in a pack AND now at a higher price i rly hate logging on lately
I may spend money on seasons and some little iap items but I never bought the normal candle packs because I know that’s what they want us to do when we can’t catch up with buying the in game stuff. This year I was finally able to get something from the Chinese new year event and it’s enough for me 😭
@@fermentingdragoni know this is probably against their intended business but I WISH you could the pack cosmetics individually. I really want the Fortune cape but I don’t want to pay $24.99 for all three items. I just want the cape 😭
I'm a 3 year veteran and watched how Sky evolved and I'm totally disappointed..the last few weeks was filled with me debating about what i truly am getting out of the game and if i should leave it altogether. The game used to be an experience, following lore, discovering hidden treasures, basking in music and being delightes in the kindfulness of a stranger. Now it's become a "keeping up with the Joneses". Everyone is grinding out to stay up to date with outfits, friendships have become "by proxy" type where if you don't benefit the other person in a way that they can elevate themselves, they then see you as a waste of time. I've been playing solo for last 1.5 years and it's been impossible to get genuine friendships, most are already deep into a clique thats filled with so much inner jokes you'll never understand. I've been told by people to join discords in order to have a better experience and what i found was even more saddening. Discords are filled with people using others to get as many candles and hearts in the quickest way possible. I see groups form around "shrine message planting" where 20+ ppl will like each other's shrine messages just to get a heart a week. ( These groups require screenshot proofs that you e cleared a shrine so they know they can "trust" you and win their friendship) give me a break. The game has become another rat race. It's so sad, the very thing that was created to let us put our minds at ease from the REAL LIFE rat race has become just that. I am genuinely debating quitting. It's not fun anymore :/
Almost 3 year old player here and couldn't agree more. I've stopped being active and play on and off altogether starting from shattering season. Today, my friend constellation that once was full with shining stars and friends become online notifications popped up one by one now is just but a shelf collecting dust. The stars aren't glimmering, no one lights up my star and no online notifications pop up in my game anymore, shows that all of them have blocked me bcz I've not been lighting up their candles. This just shows you how transactional having connection and relationships are, even in sky. If you don't benefit someone in any way, don't let them clog up your constellation and best to block them. Let the active friends stay, and once they become inactive too, they will be next in the block list. It's seriously sad
@@apieceoftrash5673 perhaps it's just that they themselves have faded away from the game.. become disappointed and left? It's happened to me, though I go through phases, and many of my friends were still waiting. And as you say, there are some that just never light up anymore. That was almost me, if I didn't return, or have friends constantly lighting my star, sending me notifications and bringing back into the game.
Don't lose hope eM, just the other day I (also a 3 yr veteran, but have taken many long gaps in between) got gifted a season pass. - Not to focus on what it was, just that it was a huge gift - The person who gave it to me, I don't know their name, and we've never spoken. We met because they were just playing music somewhere, and I sat and listened for a while. They were known as "cool hair, music" in my constellation for ages 😅. It was so out of the blue, and generous, and made me think that just maybe, there are still some people in the game who get it.
Been here since gratitude and I couldn’t agree more. I haven’t played consistently, but I see the changes of behavior in people nowadays. Used to be pure joy and fun in friendships, joking around with people you just met. Now it’s just a little friendship game you play with the other until they’d one day ask “Could you give me [--]?” And when you decline they’re like “Oh it’s okay😄 It’s all good no worri- *Blocks you* “
Re the shrine msgs hearts... It is 50 likes rn for the normal msg shrines to get heart... Which... To have at least 50 ppl work together so everyone gets their heart 👀 it is more than admirable ngl. And as tgc lowered the appearance of meditation daily tasks (where is the number of likes is only 10) so to get a heart from shrines is becoming less frequent...
It’s hard to play this game when things are so expensive. I’m really happy you’ve brought it to light because I’ve been taking a break from this game, because it feels like it’s been losing its heart for me. It’s just getting kinda soul sucking :,(
I myself just got back from my long break and it's really saddened me to see how much it changed for the price especially.... like yeah other improvement is good I guess even tho they get rid out of some fun oobs and all....
@@zaeronmint *SEEE?! THIS IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE TAKING OUR FUN OOBS FROM US! THEY WANT US TO FOCUS ON GRINDIG instead of exploring!* We want to take moths to places they don't know about! Show them how big Sky Kingdom is! But can we? 😑 *SMH* Me myself back then I was taken to Valley OOB! I was AMAZED! I have tried to pass through that window these days. But I can't anymore 😭
@@Videos-for-funzies oh yeah that valley oob, I think its name is Star Field something. It's such a good and beautiful place, I love going there alone after my daily grind back then... And the fact that they remove it when I was on a break, I was like "ugh the more reason to not come back😐"
Season of Aurora opened a door for new players, and the "reward" for them continuing to explore a month later is slamming the door shut. So much love has been poured into Sky, it needs to be preserved by TGC respecting its users. Much love to anyone reading this and thank you for this video!
I started playing during Prophecy and I was a "moth" for a few months. I only started having veteran friends later who showed me secret areas, all winged lights, how to collect stuff and how to go through Eden. I remember when the umbrella spirit came back those years ago and I didn't have enough candles for it (I had around 30/40 while it costed 60 candles) nor any ascended candles yet and it made me very upset and start consistenly candlerunning. I can't imagine the despair a moth in today's Sky must feel when seeing all of those prices being 100-200 candles for a single piece of clothing
I agree. I also feel like a huge amount of feedback is constantly ignored by tgc when it's on the subject of IGC or actual money. I swear so many people got upset on the first update they started to take away the afk light places. its exhausting cr every single day, especially for kids who are in high school (WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THEIR PLAYER BASE). after that update, we went to feedback and told them to bring back the light places. we waited till the next update, and guess what had happened??? they took away the other 2 light places people went to, even tho thousands begged in feedback and in general to give them back, even going as far as making videos stating such, commenting on tgc content, stopping playing the game in protest, etc. if they actually cared ab the feedback they get, they'd give at least one or two of them back but they're all gone. I think they did this because they knew the people who sit in light places don't cr but still want candles, so they thought they could earn some money making people buy more candle packs.
@@Xszhs yeah that's insane. some people say like "they can't bring a change in a day" but the prices being high has been a thing for more than a year now, it's just getting worse, people been asking for normal pricing for a long time. and that afk thing clearly shows how they're literally ignoring players. I'm glad that they listened at least somewhere (rainbow pants, cat hair(?)), but maybe that's an illusion to create that they care, considering that we have less cases of when they listened. I don't want to say such about tgc, but this is literally what is happening, I'm not going to pretend as if they're a great friendly small indie company. they clearly do this to encourage players to buy candle packs, that are unreasonably overpriced.
@@favorite_lie I couldn't agree more. they only hear what they want to hear from their player base. ive loved the game for two years now, but I just can't help but find the prices extremely over what they should be. I mean, even currently, they've doubled the prices of their igc items; for example the new bloom cape is pretty much double the first bloom capes prices. not to mention, the fact that there's now becoming less and less items to get for free. many of the items when the game started out just costed candles, with the occasional iap. it has completely reversed now im seeing. it just keeps getting harder and harder for new players to catch up on the events, due to everything being so damned overpriced. it ruins the motivation to play for them, which in turn leaves tgc with only their long-term players (who are also dying out slowly due to motivation. this is where the afk light places would come in handy for tgc because it would at least keep the long-term players in the game. now they've pretty much ruined it for everyone). I mean, just take the lunar new years events red umbrella; that costs 25 CAD. its a simple umbrella, no candle pack, no added cosmetics, no free adventure pass, no new features, no cool gimmicks or anything... just an umbrella that costs the same as two days worth of dinner for a family of 4.
PLEASE make that video. the amount of backlash you get from kids defending a COMPANY when you have anything negative to say about the game is actually insane and with every new event it feels like we are heard less and less. the whole point of critiquing it is that we love the game and want it to be good and fun and accessible for everyone
Dang, that is super rough on new players...which is weird, because retaining new players is important for any game. For a new player, it's hard enough waiting months for an event to return so you can get those cosmetics, but making it that much more difficult to save up enough IGC? I feel like someone playing an hour a day should be able to afford any and all IGC cosmetics they want.
I really appreciate you speaking out on this. Trying to even keep up with items is getting discouraging. It seems like it used to be an occasional pricey item, like the sword pants or the rainbow cape, but now it is starting to feel like almost every event has at least one of these. I'm going to spend some time figuring out how to say what I want to say to TGC in the Discord but I just wanted to say thanks for saying this.
Just make sure to watch out, the discord server in sky is a bit…weird? Idk how to explain this. There’s a chance you’ll get muted when you say constructive criticism, or will get attacked by the white knights of the community. (But there’s a chance ppl will agree with you). This may be just me trying to say something about the discord server but they also have weird rules like “can’t talk about anything else then sky”.
Thank you for using your platform to speak out to this. I sent feedback after Season of Aurora, which I loved but was saddened by the IAP prices and the inclusion of a 200 candle cost outfit in a seasonal tree that was never to be offered again. The following was part of that feedback “You all get so much right and your efforts are admired and loved by millions. I feel Sky is a game whose USP is founded on principles of sharing, community, and associated values. Perhaps with this New Year, when the struggle is real and we are impacted and seriously scared by what is coming, TGC could take some time to reflect on how Sky could evolve to truly become the guiding light it set out to be in changing the way we play games.”
Beautiful feedback you sent them. I think the same. I don't think they can make big changes soon, but I do hope they change their direction towards the future afar from what we are seeing in the present. Don't get me wrong, so much of what they've achieved has been amazing, but the current direction feels troublesome to say the least.
THANK YOU! I find it hypocritical that they changed the wax collection system to make it easier for players only to gradually raise the prices of everything. There's an event almost every month, it's hard to save when each event costs 100-200 candles each for new items. Imagine what it's like for a new player!
and not to mention travelling spirits, and some of those are nearly 200 candles to fully complete. it’s impossible to obtain enough to get everything you want, it really sucks
as a new player I can confirm that I am still going through the 7 stages of grief with the realization that I might not be able to buy the long green cape in time for the current season pass
@@akitotommy Yeah, I forgot about this since I've played too long, travelling spirits used to be a huge stress for me. 😔 Their prices are astronomical, occurring every 2 weeks... every two weeks!! It's extremely hard to save if you haven't gotten any of the items because you don't know when they will come back. It took like a year for some of the TS to come back.
This economy rant NEEDED to be said, especially from someone as big in the community as NastyMold. Thank you for being brave enough to say this and using your platform to get this message across, even when I know TGC knows about you. As a season of performance moth, I definitely know now how hard it is to catch up and how expensive everything is. I’ve also seen the changes TGC has been making that makes it even more difficult for players to get candles everyday. It’s crazy that they are simultaneously lowering the ease of playing and increasing the cost of items all at the same time. Any trust I’ve had in TGC has slowly been diminishing to nothing as I learn more about how they move and what they do as a company to their own loyal playerbase. It is incredibly disheartening and I’m very disappointed.
Please make a video on tgc 's economy, I've brushed past their change in prices under the reasons of "it's a small company", "COVID times", "inflation" but now I've changed my stance. It is interesting to note the articles online regarding TGC's history as they've had to lay off multiple employees due to lack of funding after Journey, but hired more after getting money from Journey and completing Sony's Contract. They also got $160 million from Pixars co-founder. This is all for a company with less then 50 employees currently. And while they've said they're working on a new game, surely all this money is sufficient to fund it without draining Sky as a game? This has to change. I hope since your voice is quite prominent as a content creator, things will look up in the future.
nasty, your rant was very needed. i agree wholeheartedly. **rant!!** i see all of the new iaps and even free purchases, i'm so (pardon my language) IM SO GODDAMNED FUCKING MAD. like. everything is so expensive and as much as i love tgc, i wish the magic would come back. i miss the old game. everything has gotten so much more expensive even within the game. more players are finding it easier to just buy candles instead of chilling like the game intends you to. i'm so upset that the magic has slowly been draining out of the game. i'm just.. ugh... to be honest, ive poured more money this past two months than in all of my time on sky combined. like... i understand that TGC's gotta keep the lights on.. but at this point, they have millions of players, and many of them are likely to pay money for shit. couldn't they let the FTP players have at least some items that dont need money to be poured into the game? yes, there are TS' and many free items, but many of them are getting to 100-110+ candles per item. and speaking as a mainly FTP player, grinding takes so long to do, and is mentally taxing. is it worth spending 4 hours grinding for 20 candles? grinding for five days for the POSSIBILITY of getting an item? i'm tired!!! and burned out!!! i just feel as though TGC isn't quite thinking about the players who cant afford to buy items or capes, or dont have the time to pour into the game. i dunno. that's my two cents i guess
god, i thought this was recent. it's sad to see that this is very relevant today still. i miss when we would just hang out in sky without being so pressured about items
I would love to see a full video about Sky's economy from you! Since you've been playing for long, that would be interesting (i joined for the Switch launch and i can already see how much it has changed, so i can't imagine what it's lik for veterans C': ) Plus, i think that a well-known YT's voice would, sadly, have way more weight than lambda players (a lot of us have been complaining since a long time, but it clearly didn't changed anything :/ )
I'm gonna point out some of the current spending issues, and if i miss something you can add in the replies (for the record, me and a few friends have played this game over 2 years, this is what we noticed) [ Also i apologize that i've basically written an essay lol! ] 1. Growing difference between IAP and IGC prices (at first.) Now both IAP and IGC prices are insanely bad. 2. IAP items being significantly better looking/ better use and IGC items poor looking/ poor use/ useless. 3. They expect us to GRIND nonstop. Which is why afk spots were removed but now with current prices heavy grinding is also pointless. 4. Insane IAP prices. You know its bad when an umbrella in sky costs more than an umbrella in real life -_- 5. Insane IGC prices. 200 candles for swords pants, 100+ candles for a cape. -_- What I feel is, sky should be more than a game for dress up/ flaunting outfits. Every single interactable thing has a price. It gets exhausting at some point. And now, the game is unfair to everyone: moths, intermediates and veterans alike! Many of us are in school/ college/ jobs, we are tired after a long day and we can't grind nonstop daily for candles, especially when its clearly not gonna make a difference anymore. Many of us, especially students cannot afford the insane IAP prices either! I have some IGC item price suggestions. (Correct me if i am wrong here)- Pretty looking/ special Capes/ Pants 60 to 75 Average looking Capes /Pants 45 to 60 candles. Items (practically usable/ large decor) 30 to 44 Items (useless practically/ average to small decor items) 15 to 29 As it is when an event comes it brings several items at once, not just one item. So you still overall use quite an amount of candles! But now the way things are, even ONE item is so overpriced. So voice out your opinions so they can be heard!!
"You know its bad when an umbrella in sky costs more than an umbrella in real life" 100% agree!! Nowadays I just skip several items because it's getting frustrating. I always think: will I really use it? If not, skip.
YO i completely agree with these prices like I want the fortune umbrella so bad but it just aint happening it hurts that they do this but with those in game prices you suggested mannnn everything would be mellowed and beautiful again because its actually FAIR
This pricing is perfect! I just can't make myself to do a candle run every day so every time there is a traveling spirit I will be at 10 candles or something like that. I'm a somewhat new player. The game will make a massive glow down whit players if the pricing keeps going up it works for a little time but not for too long. Maybe even I would spend more time on it if it wasn't always about buying new stuff
Definitely appreciate your rants. Positivity can get toxic once it’s no longer warranted. I once heard it said that when you love something you want it to be the best it can be, i appreciate you sharing your love of this game in all the ways, and constructive criticism is one way to show you care. TGC listens to you, thank you for this and I hope you do make a separate video about the candle economy. I feel so badly for new players, it honestly worries me for the longevity of this game if they continue on this path.
Thank you for this! Glad that there is someone who doesn’t just clap every TGC decision like it wasn’t unfair, especially to new players. This was a very necessary video, and I hope you don’t change your mind about it in the future to come.
Even sadder is that it is unfair to everyone. These prices are so difficult to keep up with, and they sway everyone away from the important stuff: the social part of the game.
@@darknessinc.Inc830 imagine having to pay candles that cost 50 dollars to buy if u were to buy candles, for a cape that moves freely tgc is tripping 😭😭😭 no way im spending so much candles on a bird bath that feeds butterflies and not birds 🙂😭😭
I’m so glad your speaking about this. Especially since they removed the ability to AFK altogether (slowly removing AFK wax spots). Hiding the IAP prices in beta is awful.
Very well said! I started playing in aurora, I had no idea the prices used to be cheaper. Its really strange that days of bloom items are so expensive, theres a cap of 20 candles a day. It lasts about two weeks if I count correctly, which is too little time to get three of the items, let alone 4. And asking people to save up is unreasonable, theres also the current season, travelling spirits, making friends, and the constellations. I get making things expensive so that daily diehard players have something worthwhile to buy with their grind, but it shouldn't be impossible to get the items without buying candle packs. Days of fortune is a good example of how things should be priced: its 2 weeks, which results in 210-280 candles if you gather between 15 and 20 candles daily. If you want to get all masks, its 255 candles. (About 60 each mask and 15 for the spells) Its a grind sure, but it's not unreasonable. I really expected other events to have similar pricing
They should increase the "max" amount of candles you are able to get in a day at this point. They have enough locations in the game that we should be able to collect 30-40 a day. This wouldn't be so annoying if so. I get why people take breaks from it. The grind culture it pushes is toxic. I can't be nice about this.
i started in 2020, so i’ve watched the prices for each season and limited event gradually go up until you couldnt even skip one day during season of aurora without failing to get the ultimate gift. honestly at this point when i say i love sky, i actually just mean i love what sky _used_ to be. 2 and a half years ago, i loved making new memories with my friends and enjoying the seasons as they passed by. now the only thing that you really can do on sky is grind candles until you die. it’s sickening and i’m so tired of tgc’s (for lack of a better word) bullshit
Regarding paying candles to be friends: I think this mechanic does two very important things that I immediately appreciated when I started playing 3 years ago. 1) It facilitates consent and 2) it requires sacrifice. You are investing hard earned candles in that relationship. I would be sad to see those go away. That said, the cosmetics grind is intense. I have up on trying to buy everything (IGC and IAP) a few seasons ago. All that said, I’m still a fan of this game. Still play everyday. Still waiting for some hard lore. 😉
Those higher tiers are rather pricey though. 20+ candles a node. Either you sacrifice a days+ earnings or you feel guilty when your friend offers to. One of you is likely to be spending more than the other on that friendship. The very least they could do is have a split the bill option. What I would prefer though, is a different currency. A currency that is exclusive to that one friendship, that goes up over time whist spending time together. That would make the game far more about developing friendships, than avoiding people as to save up enough for cosmetics.
@@sugarkitty2008 exactly, I hate they made the heir tiers so expensive. It’s hard to sacrifice a lot of ascended and normal candles esp if you don’t play often or grind everyday, not to mention the cosmetics being so expensive now so :/
Seriously though the fact that i joined sky for friends and to enjoy breaking wind barriers and finding oobs. Now its like i just go on to cr and do dailies it makes me feel depress thinking that everything i like will eventually become like this😕 wanting more from me when i am trying my best. Even if this was the price it would be ok if u gave time but i KNOW that they will be sending a ts that everyone wants😕 how will moths keep up?? When they see everyone looking good but its hard for them to get candles?? When i played in season of assembly it felt so magical that it burnt a memory into my mind and became my childhood… sorry if this is too long😅
This problem has showed up long ago When they introduced the rainbow pants last year, it's just a re-skin of the Jelly whisperer's pants It was originally a IAP but changed to in game candles, which was 95 But the original jelly pants were 65, a whole 30+ for basically the same outfit but with small changes Like for one, they're literally reusing the same model from the jelly pants and add miniscule details, which they used to make it PAID FOR REAL MONEY before changing it to in game purchases And the changes are just them adding those cool rainbow belts to fit the theme, and also make the outfit SLIGHTLY darker (i checked and yes it is) so it isn't as vibrant Why did they decided to reuse a model? Of course the Jelly whisperer themselves are part of the event but that doesn't mean that they need to reuse the same model but change it slightly From the other rainbow cosmetics, they look cute and bright and pastel! While those rainbow pants are just a bit darker... why not make like a rainbow Hoodie/jacket? The other (paid) rainbow cosmetics give a feeling of casualness with the beanie and headset, so a white with rainbow accent jacket would definitely be more sought out for and would make the prices seem reasonable
As sb who have more than 2000 candles, although I'm lucky that I don't struggle to keep up with all of the events, I realized how the overall price increase stunt my goal of 3000. I'm an IGC item collector and I can slowly see this is no longer sustainable no matter how many candles I have. For example at the time of season of Aurora, I really did hit the mark of 3000 candles but it quickly reduced to 2400 afterwards. My original plan to to find a sustainable amount of candles then cr less regularly but for some reasons now I gotta keep up with everything as well I bet this is not seen as relatable to many of you guys but I have been playing for almost 2 years now, with daunting cr schedule everyday nonstop, seeing how everything I worked up to may not mean a single thing anymore made my disappointed to no ends
@@Ceilvia It really feels like all of our efforts are being dismissed don't ya think? The lil prince was bad, sure, but the overall price increase was reasonable enough to recover within 2 weeks. Inflation hits hard
I’ve being saying this for months, I went off sky for 6 months cuz I felt the change on the playable experience. But coming back to realize a prop was 100 candles… and the expensiveness of iaps items most people don’t realize they get and use for one week at most… it didn’t felt like the sky I played back then where even the iap seemed reasonable, theres nothing reasonable in sky today… my boyfriend recently started playing And I feel terrible by the struggle of him not even getting free heart from past seasons quests, that just feels like completing a crucial part of the game isn’t even gratifying… I’ve being getting more tired of it by day pass but since I enjoy the base of the game I just relied on using simple cosmetics around him, not iaps or else so he feels more in touch and dont rush, I lost all my friends based on sky greed with money, I still want to have someone to enjoy the base of this stories with me.
Thank you for this video. I started earlier this month and having to scramble every day for candles kinda takes away from the relaxing aspect. Edit: Also I totally get that newbies especially can't expect to buy everything. It's just the combination of being too new to know how best to earn candles, then paired with a time crunch is nerve-wracking.
I think that if they really need to increase the cost of things, then they should also increase stuff like the maximum amount of candles you can collect, or go back to the afk places.. The prices are getting higher but there’s less motivation to farm.. I hope this can be fixed in a way it’s balanced for everyone
"you dont have to get every item" while this is literally true, after playing though eden a couple time, collecting all the spirits and star children theres not much left to do. the only intrinsic tasks left in the game is farming for candles and buying things with them. sure there are extrinsic motivators like making friends (cost candles), exploring (many oobs removed), playing music (music sheets and instruments are cosmetics) etc etc. I know that games need to make money, especially if their free to play but insisting that people should calm down about not being able to participate in basically the core activity of the game doesn't take into account how the game is designed. the devs could add more games (similar to the hide and seek emote), more ways to make art, puzzle areas that regularly update, races that actually have rewards for style or being fast, public chat areas, a "light all" button (please), so many things that could improve the end game loop from farming for candles and paying for cosmetics.
If you candle run efficiently, you can get more or less 20 candles in a day. That means if you start at, say, 0 candles at the start of Bloom, it would take about 11 days to farm 220 candles. That's nuts. Not to mention traveling spirits coming around during bloom too, so it'll take even longer.
At this point, this game isn't for casuals anymore :( I've done candle run every day since April 2022, and because I've not liked enough travelling spirits, I've luckily got a lot of candles right now. But it's so draining to candle run every day to keep this number up. And I'm trying to help my friend who recently is now even more broke because of the recent travelling spirit and bunny mask. But it's just so hard. I'm not sure if he would be interested in a rose cape. But what about any future event cosmetics that he may want? It's just so sad to see a game that I would recommend to people that like to relax and play casually turn into something like this. Why are they trying to encourage people to spend more money on their game when they already make most good cosmetics in app purchases anyway? Can't they let go one of their good designs for us casuals to enjoy?
I want to add something - the crazy thing about the candle economy in sky is that the best way to conserve candles and save is to not make and especially not upgrade friendships. That is just really crazytown for a game that supposedly about making friends and connections with people first and foremost. I think if TGC wants to continue to price things as they do then the friendship tree prices really need to go back to the way they used to be. When I started playing sky is 2020 i never had candles then either because i was constantly making new friends but once i stopped that I was able to start saving finally. It’s pretty sad tbh 😢
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS How are we supposed to upgrade on friendships, share hearts and finish constellations (all being the main point of the game) if they're pricing in-game items so high?? Over a 100 candles an item? For what? So players feel forced to rush and buy candles in the store to be able to afford all these annual cosmetics? And what about travelling spirits showing up randomly? How are we supposed to know when to save candles? I try to play daily, get a minimum of 5 candles in a day just so i can have a steady candle count and also because i have grinded everyday in the past and i was this close👌🏼 to deleting the game because of burnout and annoyance. If they want to price everything to high, then make candle farming more productive and rewarding!!! Like with the bonfire in Forest, why did they change that? It was nice to have the bonfire giving off some candle light, where you can sit and idle while passively farming and maybe play some music. But no. Now you have to go and wait to burn some fireballs in order to collect light. Does everything need to be a chore TGC? Can't you just let sky kids sit somewhere for a few hours AFK while they slowly collect some light? I'm studying and working, like a lot of us, and we want to come back home and play a game to have fun and relax, but it seems the only thing to look forward to in Sky is the cosmetics, and if you were too busy in your everyday life to grind, or you just don't have a ton of cash to spend (especially players in weak currency countries), well sucks for you!! It's just expensive dress-up now. It's not inclusive and it's making players bitter. Some recommendations to make the game less infuriating: 1. Give more idle candle farming spots, and make the players able to collect even if afk 2. Increasing the value of candle light. The feature they put in with the candle light value going down with every 5 candles was great, but i feel theycan upgrade it a bit. Why not make it 15, 10, then 5? If you play to complete your daily candle notches or whatever, that's 30 candles to the 15 now!!! A lot more rewarding!! 3. Stop👏making👏small👏candle👏bunches👏 Like in the remembrance map, so many little candles spread all around, taking time to light and collect. Just make it one big candle cake for crying out loud!!! 4. More candles everywhere, and darkness to burn, especially candle cakes. Especially in the main maps. It's tedious to travel to Sanctuary and the Isle cave challenges to collect. 5. Maybe have extra challenges daily for normal candles? Like aside from seasonal, just have 5+ optional challenges to complete everyday regardless of Seasons. 6. The easiest: just cut all the cosmetic prices to like max 70 candles each? Sorry for the rant. i'm bitter and upset
GOSH this game is so stressing rn. I'm sitting at a solid 40 candles at the moment. After I buy the bunny mask, I'm gonna have to grind every day in order for me to be ready for Days of Bloom. I REALLY want the rose wings, and the pink flower wings. Hopefully I'll be able to get them both. Thank you for bringing attention to the economy of Sky! I've been playing since Season of Aurora and I've only just now gotten into the grinding phase.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! 🥰 This was so refreshing to hear you say these things. Please make more! It's validation that it's not my imagination and I'm not alone in feeling sad about the direction TGC has gone. My favorite part is where you talked about them saying what Sky is about, yet, in practice it's really not now. Sky is first and foremost a BUSINESS. They are in this to make money. I noticed the price increases (and a change in the compassion and etiquette of the community) when it released on Switch, and when they collaborated for The Little Prince. Now they have expanded their platforms and there was the Season of Aurora -- which I'm sure cost them a pretty penny. For all the virtue signaling of TGC's mission statements amd Aurora's songs, they aren't in business for free. It takes money to pay the bills. HOWEVER, they should be up front about this. I have firmly believed they are increasing the prices to force people to purchase candle packs. To think I used to think I payed too much playing Pokémon Go! 🤣 You CAN'T relax in Sky anymore. You HAVE to candle grind to afford everything. How can the new players possiblynsave up enough wothout spending unhealthy amounts of time candle grinding -- when they don't know enough yet to have an efficient candle grinding path?! They claim to care about people's mental health and community, but they are killing that are every turn. My heart is breaking for the Sky I used to know. I don't know how to fix this, but, all we can do is politely share our concerns with TGC and boycott these outrageous prices. They will follow the money. If the community refuses to pay these prices, amd if we leaventhe game for a time, then the prices will come down as players leave their product for others. I want it to go back to a time where we could afford to sit around and just relax and visit. How often do you see people sitting around playing their instruments fornpeople now? Instead, they do memory candles for hearts. There is no sitting down and making friends now. No one has the time, akd everyone wants payment bc things are so expensive. Sky is moving in the wrong direction.
Thank you so much for saying this, NM... Like, it really means a lot to me you of all people share these frustrations and feel hurt from the changes too. It's so hard to share criticism about this game without immediately being shut down in the server with "send it to feedback", despite TGC giving us the feeling they don't rlly look at feedback anymore. I love this game! I want it to get better and more accessible to everyone! But the way things are going now just makes me want to drop the game all together. If you were to make a video about Sky's economics, I'd really appreciate it 🧡 I think it'd be a good video to put out there and have a discussion over! Either way, thanks again for making this video!
Alright, TGC back to making the IGC items so expensive and doubling up the prices, like cmon, I get that certain items can be expensive with candles and hearts (like the ones from Little Prince and Aurora Seasons) but this is unreasonably expensive.
I'm glad you came out and said something. Influencers are the most likely to be listened to, and I've only been playing a few months and already the game feels like a grind. I'm lucky to have a RL friend to play with regularly, so I didn't know about the commodification of friendships in sky. But that's a big red flag, and TGC needs to pay attention. Between price hikes, and candle farming methods being taken away, I can't see this getting any better. We might not have to get every single item, but once you've gone through eden, what else is there to do besides collect items? Dressup IS sky's longterm playability/game mechanic. And they're sucking the life out of it with these changes... Pretty soon the only people who play sky are going to be addicts, and that's not a good way to have a thriving game community. Scary to think about that when Sky is supposed to be a social game...
It's so much true... earlier i used to do hard candle run along with doing fun with friends....then i start to preparing for exam now i have to choose if i want 10-15 candles or fun with friend... like I don't want to miss any cosmetic but i miss flying with friends now sky feels like a job to me of collecting candles ...which I've to complete everyday
Yes, please talk about the Sky Economy! I too have my personal Nit-picks and grievances with the system in place as well as the changes they made. I’ve started playing Sky when Season of the Little Prince was about to come out. So I was a new and late lil Moff! I learned that if you hold on to your Seasonal Candles, they add to your Main Candles after the season ends. I found that useful and started grinding so I could afford to unlock Cosmetics I found appealing to me! Then I learned about Traveling Spirits, and oh boy am I cautious with how I spend my Candles. Then I learned about how Important Ascending Candles are for the Wing Buffs as well as unlocking the Second Tiers of the Tier Trees of Spirits. Already, I was annoyed with the tree from the beginning. I do not like that I have to unlock cosmetics I don’t want in order to buy the ones I do want. To me, it wastes the candles I have spent so much time collecting. I don’t even go on Candle Runs all that much anymore because of how repetitive it is and I would take long breaks because of them. Now, while the Normal Candles, Seasonal Candles, and Ascended Candles especially are much easier to collect, my major gripe with the Hearts continues to grow! Those are the hardest currency to collect in the game due to a multitude of things: 1 Trade with a friend per Day, Cosmetics or Items I don’t want blocking the second tier of Trees that cost 30 or more hearts; keeping me from getting the second Wing Buff, by far the slowest to collect. While I’m glade the TS have hearts we can purchase while Seasonal Guides give us some for free during the season, it still bogles my mind that they are just so tiring to collect! I really hope they can give us a better and faster way to collect this currency and fix the prices so everyone gets a chance to buy what they want. Honestly, drop the Tree and let us have the freedom to choose!
YESS I AGREE! The tree system is the worst. I don’t want to spend my precious candles unlocking cosmetics or spells i don’t want or need. Especially when they place the better ones all the way at the top where it’s blocker by multiple spells
@@DulyDullahan Oh Dear that is even worse!!! Like that Blue Cape you can get from the Praying Acolyte (I believe), I want that cape so badly because it is blue and is more fancy, but it costs 70 Hearts!! 😞
😭😭😭 Oh no the "inflation" is even catching up in the game... Jokes aside i do see a lot of people are really saying the igcp items are hiked up since the end of last year. Im not much to know the comparison huhuhu i do believe its expensive. Know its hard to grind these days.
this is half the reason why i stopped playing sky. i joined during the season of lightseekers, and my first actual season was belonging, and i loved it so much. i think it was after the season of flight was my last season, after skipping some and only being half there for abyss. i just got sick of it i think, cause it turned into trying to desperately grind candles for insanely expensive things i never really wore and cause a bunch of friends were doing the same i never really hung out anymore. i remember early on spending hours sitting around chatting with people and trying to translate the seven different languages that the conversation was in and making really shitty bands with random people and joining chains of strangers and running the entire game and now its just kinda not there anymore :/ it will still always be one of my favourite games (i dont have any sort of console or a functioning computer so im limited lol), but at this point its kinda getting ridiculous
Absolutely, please make that economy rant video, Nasty. It is incredibly disheartening to see TGC's pricing changes; for a game that prides itself on social connection, it increasingly seems that spending $$$ (both in game and real) is their priority. As an older player I can easily keep up with the costs of new IGC items, but most do not have that luxury. One can argue for inflation, too, but when prices rise, salaries (ie. the amount of candles one can get in a day) should also increase. It's especially disappointing that the AFK wax places are now being removed. I remember when they were touted as a new way to play Sky without the candle grind - to focus on having fun with friends! Now it seems every new item is more expensive, it's harder to get a full 20 candles, and it feels very pressuring for those who want to get the IGC items but don't have the ability to save for everything. TGC might want to sell more candle packs - as that is the goal of these restrictive changes - but this desire is choking the entire community. Please don't be afraid to make more critical videos of TGC. Your audience may come from the game, but you are not beholden to TGC, and as a prominent member of the community, you act as a voice for us all. Practicing kindness and compassion can still be done while criticizing parts of the game that don't serve the players - in fact, acting as a voice (and also catharsis: saying I feel this too) is key, and I for one would be very grateful to you for this service. Thank you, Nastymold.
I started this game during the Season of Aurora, and I haven't stopped playing since; but I've noticed this pattern in many F2P games: Once they start making IGC harder to get, to the point where you have to buy said currency in order to purchase purposefully inflated (currency wise) cosmetics that are not locked behind some form of subscription, that's when I know it's time to leave. Or consider leaving in the near future if change is not made. Which sucks, because this game is so wholesome and I would miss my little Skyling.
I'm sorry- 120 for the cape I just saw I want, and 100- ARE THEY NUTS?? Not everyone has time to do a daily grind, even with dragon going on, there's only so much of that wax you can get. let's not forget, the Traveling spirits that have been coming home costing between 120-200+ candles. Thriller was 125- what's next a 100-200 or more TS? Namely around Blooms? I'm tired of having to get on, grind out my candles, just to make sure I'm on a comfy cushion for an expensive item. Trying to keep up - is already discouraging. 'Make sure you got 100+ for days of fortune, but also have a TS, but also prep for the next event, oopsies haha another spendy TS-' knock that off. It's getting annoying. May they lower teh dang price but that's a SPIKE on pricing. 15 normal candles for the spells, 5 each is always the usual. Then 70 for the cherry, add 105, that's 175. Add 125, thats' 300 for just the capes. then for the prop, that's a total of 400 CANDLES for the capes AND prop.. absurd. Now add the spells, the 15, that's 415 total. And that's depending on if there's a traveling spirit during blooms and how spendy they'll be, and if you'll need to quickly grind out more candles for that TS, if it's a wanted one. Then it becomes 400+.
Yeah I also noticed the change.. I started playing in the season of enchantment and ended after Sanctuary, the daily grind was just so much, I'd find myself loging in ONLY to grind. I remember when I started veteran were much more generous, I did my first eden solo and a sweet vet just befriended me when they saw the struggle and held me end through it all :') After burning out I left and only came back for Aurora, but seeing the price of even the seasonnal candle outfits made me loose all want to play (you could barely get an Aurora Cosmetic unless you grind seasonals for 2 weeks!! ) Made me give up... I started playing the new season on a whim but the grind is wearing in. As a vet now I don't bother doing Eden unless I need to, and usually I'm in a hurry cause I want to make a candle run, so I don'T really wait to help new players... it's a shame because making all so expesive means you can't really be casual if you want any new "rewards" (the cosmetics), it's go big or go home... I really hurt for the new players who get thrown in that rat race :( I wish the in game cosmetics were less pricey, if I want(or can afford) to give the developer money there's the special, in app purchase cosmetic. I'd feel more inclined if it meant at least I can realistically grind the in game cosmetics, but the way I see it I can't get the "free" ones, why would I spend money on the special, costly ones?
Thank you for this video! I would love another one where you talk about this more in depth. I have two jobs and don’t make enough to save money, because teachers in my country aren’t particularly well paid. So I’m already exhausted from working from 9 to 21 practically every day. I live alone, so I have to clean my house, do the groceries, wash my clothes etc. by myself. To open Sky to try to relax and see that at this point I have do the same that I do in real life (i.e. grind just to barely make ends meet) is quite absurd. I understand they need ways to make money, but with the amount of players I would assume the Season Passes and the IAP items would cover that. Why make IGC items so expensive? My best friend quit the game for this reason…
we'd definitely like to see another rant! it's refreshing to hear someone who is really important to this community talk about its' problems, perhaps we can get some change this way
I agree with you.. Most of the time I'm just kidding, calling Nasty "Sky's Princess" but honestly she can become more than that. Nastymold if you're reading this, please be our voices, be the real Community Manager we love, trust and need.. 💕
Can't express how much it matters that you, essentially the most popular Sky creator, is speaking up about how extremely annoying it is that there seems to be a constant candle inflation ongoing. It gets more and more frustrating each time a new overly expensive cosmetic is released.
ive started since the middle of season of aurora and i already agree with your rant in the video. like- everything’s just become so expensive now. these prices either force us to 1. candle run and spend our time and energy to get only 20 or less candles, just be be tired and burned out, or 2. pay up to get 60 or so of those things. ive tried to focus less on gathering cosmetics and dressing up, because ive met some really cool and kind people on here and ive even found some comfort characters in sky (spirits) that i really love, to the point where i want them to come as ts not because i want their cosmetics, but because i want to see them again, give them candles to make them happy, etc. is that weird? but i feel like sky should be that way, social and more focused on healthy relationships. not just- grinding every single day. FURTHERMORE, im sure everyone understands we have more things than sky to deal with in life. candle-running is already tiring enough. what more school? what more work? what more other commitments that may be just as, or even more draining than this? i dont think theyre listening to us enough. or maybe they understand us, but theyre taking advantage of this and using our tiredness to force us to buy candle packs to keep up with things. “oh, you dont have enough candles for this ts? well too bad, gotta go buy a bunch of candles that youll spend up immediately or give us your precious time and energy!” im mad. more than a little mad. but for the awesome characters and those few cool people out there, who dont care so much about cosmetics and items and candles, ill stay.
Thank you for speaking up about how ridiculous sky has been changing. And not just supporting everything TGC does. Sky has become to cluttered with memory candles, boat notes etc. And it's only gonna get worse with this new shared space spell. Please please please help us get TGC to stop ruining sky!
I’m a new-ish player (around 5 months) and with the arrival of Days of Fortune I’ve really experienced FOMO. No, I don’t HAVE to get all the masks from past years, but the social hierarchy of Sky makes me feel like I need to cr every day just to get the bare minimum of items. As an example, I recently bought the Ox mask for 50-60 candles, missing out on this year’s mask. I don’t have enough candles to afford the rabbit mask as well as the travelling spirit’s items that’s coming soon. You’ve addressed this really well, Nastymold. Thanks for bringing awareness to this exploitation of people’s time and money.
Tbh I just don't get inflation, cause if you raise the price, less people can buy, but if you lower the price, more people can buy. It sounds so simple and yet TGC just...doesn't get it for some reason..
What’s also bad is that there seems to be this elitist mindset now with cosmetics like I’ve seen and met people who won’t friend or talk to you if you don’t look like a ikeman or ikejou or veteran
I actually really enjoy hearing rants! I think it's always good to say good and bad things about stuff you love. Will be looking forward to the Sky economy video because yeah.. things have changed..
Yeah TGC, at this point, is definitely relying on FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) and they're hoping to sucker people into buying candle packs. They're becoming just as slimy as other apps that basically use Pay-To-Win mechanics.
even tho tcg built a community that is so unique and welcoming, less and less the game is about the social aspect of it. i just log on, grind as many candles as i can, sometimes i happen to make friends while farming, then that's it time to log off. we'll exchange hearts without ever seeing eo again, done. mostly i just want the items so i can make cute ocs and hang out with my friends, but crs and keeping up with timed events for candles consumes so much time i barely get to actually be with them. then if that isnt an economy rant by itself, theres the overseas pricing problem i rarely see people mentioning. tcg prices are straight up UNFAIR if youre not american, they just "translated" the currency value to other countries and called it a day, not knowing the american dolar is expensive as hell. so sometimes you dont even get to enjoy the same items as other people not because you didnt have time, but because an adventure pass or idk an UMBRELLA is five times more expensive to you than to others :/
Hey Nasty, you're like that one friend that stayed to me since I started playing sky. You're always there with your videos and made sky a little bit less lonely these days. A lot of friendships have moved on now. I appreciate you so much.
Thanks for chatting about this. It made me feel not so alone. I've been playing for a year now and started during a really terrible experience with COVID and being bed-bound. I found Sky on Pinterest of all places! I fell in love with the beautiful game and it got me out of my head during the sickest time of my life. Over the last year, I've noticed the price increases and it makes me so sad to see that the game that helped me so much - and probably many others - has become a bit cumbersome to take part in. I hope TGC hears us. I'd even be okay with less number of cosmetics if it meant lower prices - in candles and IAP so that we could all participate. Hugs to all the sky kids out there feeling this way too.
I'm glad you said something, I joined during shattering and I just recently have been able to reach the goal of 400 candles for the first time in the game. And Aurora really kept me in the single digits, I literally had half a candle on multiple occasions because of it and TS. I absolutely love the game and play it every day, but now I only hop on to cr and I miss the times where I didn't know much about the huge amount of candles needed for everything because I was actually able to sit back make friends and just enjoy the game. So many of my friends are taking a break from sky because all the gameplay is cr now and it really is tiring. It's no longer a game about community if all your players are just cr when they get on. I love the cosmetics because they make each player unique and it's an amazing way of expression, but it sucks when that's the driving force of the game. Especially when it's originally a beautiful game with an amazing community where communication and friendship is worked hard for and made to be more rewarding and intimate. I already found it hard to keep up and I can't imagine how it is for the moths I adopt to do the same. Something needs to change or they'll end up losing so many players and destroy the potential for gaining new ones. And don't get me started on IAP, they are incredibly overpriced for what they are. I mean $14+ dollars on any game cosmetics is crazy to me.
I agree! Everything is so expensive. 😔 I just started with Season of Aurora, and the grind has been ridiculous. I loveee the game so much so it makes me sad to see these prices. It seems like they just want you to spend real money if you want to be able to get all the seasonal items, which seems so wrong to me. 😔 Thank you for bringing this up! Love your videos! They're my daily dose of comfort. ☺️💕
I started at the playstation launch and have been grinding everyday to keep up with all these events and cosmetics! I'm eager to collect items since I have basically nothing. I do a full candle run everyday including geyser, grandma, and turtle. It's fun, but exhausting. I was disappointed when I didn't have time to earn enough candles to purchase the 200 candle outfit from the Aurora spirit :') Since the season was basically half over when it launched on PS. Overall, I still love the game and enjoy playing!
This just feels like we are getting too many expensive days of ____ in a short time. Days of feast snowman was 120, the new rabbit mask is 66(?) which is more reasonable, days of love wedding arch is like 100, and now this 120 and 100 for days of bloom! And not to mention season of Aurora with the 200 pants and like 50 mask! I don't really mind the ocational expensive item as long as the price feels right. for example, the snowman had a cool function, so it felt fair. But the wedding arch is way too pricey for what it is. All these things have been back to back, leaving no time to breathe in-between (and that's not even taking into account for travelling spirits)
God, I'm definitely going to burn from these prices, I still can't move away after the aurora season with this suit, which cost 200 candles, and here 220 is terrible, I hope they will change the prices, sorry if I misspelled, I'm just from Russia and I don't know English very well so I use a translator
Oh I thought this was a recent video. Gotta be real. Here in 2024? End of 2024, with season of moomin but really my... 3rd or 4th Halloween Event? It just got exhausting. I can be called lazy, but while TGC has made efforts to expand the game, and I appreciate that, that same cosmetics-focused sentiment still rings in my ears. Constantly.
I agree so heavily. Because the wax changes were made for veterans to feel like candle running is easier. But now as prices increase, the candle running repetition that made veterans stop candle running is back. How am I supposed to enjoy candle running again when I realize I need to start running to the max candles everyday like three weeks before items go out of stock ( I'm missing out on the purple cape from days of bloom so to get everything I need around 320 candles).
I know the prices aren't final, but time to grind for that rose cape. I'm gonna get it. Also I don't care how many of you say it's a tulip cape, I don't care if it actually is a tulip cape. It's red, it's a rose. Let me have this.
Sky has become so money-orientated lately. Everything is too expensive that it seems impossible to have anything left to spare. I remember in the earlier seasons, after completing a season before it ends while people are still able to collect seasonal candles, during those spare days I would be able to collect well and truly over 100 seasonal candles. Now I feel like I cannot get as many because there isn’t as much time left at the end. Just this current season, the second node in a spirit I was collecting was 30 seasonal candles! That should be one of the last nodes in the spirit tree! It’s way too expensive now. Even items priced with real money is just WAY too expensive. In my currency, some items are priced at $45… way too much money to spend on a game on a single item. I don’t really understand this, TGC is getting more money with all the new people joining, meaning more things will be bought. So why raise the prices? They are just getting the community upset and are pushing more people to leave/ stop playing the game. TGC should leave the prices of both in game currency items and real money items to be cheap! It makes Sky a lot more fun and less stressful.
Ty!! Its crazy, cr takes alot of hours to complete and u need to grind alot as a collector so barely have time to just chill and hang out w friends n enjoy the game. It overwhelms me & I always get the “everything or nothing” mindset bc of this. Would love to see the economy video you’re going to make!
Thank u for bringing this up I’m sure TGC rly values ur opinion. I’ve been feeling the same way especially cus I’ve only been playing for one year so I don’t even have a single bloom cape and it’s going to be just impossible to ever catch up. AFK farming is gone and I max have time to play Sky for ONE HOUR a day, if at all. I have classes, work, friends, hobbies-a normal life! I want to enjoy sky, I want the cosmetics, I want to play with my friends, but during my one hour I normally CR and get less than 10 candles and talk to a couple friends very briefly. I CANT AFFORD ANYTHING and I don’t want to buy candles bc I don’t have a lot of money. I’m just a broke college student trying to travel the world it’s like TGC is making me pick one. Why cant I just enjoy both… :(
I agree with you nasty, don't apologize about the rant, I think you should make another video like this one. Prices have been crazy lately for both IGC and IAP items. I had 545 candles before the fortune event, dropped below 200 and now I'm struggling again...
I had a 1000+ candles and dropped all the way down to 450 when I became too burned out to CR during Aurora.... that's insane. I spend a whole year getting that together.
So I started playing sky just at the end of the season of flight (dec 2, 2021). I found it difficult but manageable to keep up with the events and season of abyss and shattering. Aurora was waaaay harder to keep up with and so far this season seems more relaxed like abyss. I managed to get the past year event cosmetics this time for days of fortune (first time I only could get one mask) but I went from 405 candles down to 100 candles so fast from aurora and then feast (couldn't get the table this year) and now fortune. I candle run until I hit grey and sometimes I'll even do more to get one extra candle. The only way to keep up for free to play players is to skip certain items and be picky with travelling spirits. After a year of playing I thought I'd have some savings of candles but everything was so expensive from feast. In the summer I almost had 800 candles (lack of events/cheaper events and all the extra wax locations from events). I'm now almost back up to 200 candles but seriously grinding every day for a year and I am just managing okay I don't know how anyone who is new would even begin to catch up without buying candle packs (which imo are way overpriced too - in canada even more than usd.) I don't even buy a lot of in game stuff and have been so fortunate to have received some items as gifts from friends out of the goodness of their hearts :') The wonderment of sky has slightly died as they continue making items cost upwards of 100 candles PER ITEM. It's just really not feasible. I would like to see a video talking about the economy of sky from you! I look to you for content that I can trust and as much feedback as we give we don't seem to be heard even as beta testers (where we are supposed to have feedback heard regarding bugs etc before things go to live - it just feels like a test run before they shove update from beta, bugs and all, to live instead of fixing them and then updating to the most fixed version).
Yeah i kind of agree with you. I also do miss the old sky where me and my friends would go online not exactly do just candle run but to actually hang around and do whatever. Now i just mostly go online to do daily quest.
Nasty thank you! This is bugging me and my friend for a long time by now, and I’m so glad that’s other are speaking about this! It’s so sad to see this, I know you’ve been playing way longer but, I’ve been here for 2 years and the change is insane. I would say it started around assembly, at least for me. I don’t even know why they started to do this? I’m sorry, I just don’t even know where to start:,) Edit: Also do you guys know about the art theft situation? In short, sky has took stuff from a a fanartist, claim in their TOS they can do that, and apparently done that multiple times and never apologized and ignored any person talking about this.
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Apologies for the rant.. 😶🌫️ Sometimes you just gotta let it out
I hope to god that the prices of the plushies aren't final pls make it candles
@@lisaharrison8970 wait omg what are they priced at?
@@angelicpocha 20 hearts each
@@angelicpocha I'm already struggling to grind plus I don't get many hearts back when I trade,
I'm very glad you made this video since you are genuinely an important figure within the sky and beta-testing community for the game and this could bring a greater attention to the issue to the devs and also to players who many not care or pay attention to cosmetics.
I share much of the same thoughts as you about prices, especially about some of the solely decorative props as well as how candle farming has gotten bad. The season of Remembrance is particularly egregious to me because the focus of any season is to get the cosmetics, while they have story the story quests are weekly and farming for SC is a daily task, which just feels tone deaf when their are multiple wars and political conflicts happening front and center right now. They're not donating anything of the profit they make from that season to relief efforts or other charities and while the timing of the season could be coincidence it just feels inappropriate.
i have not problem with their charitable cosmetics being expensive IAP because its a donation but this season feels like their just pocketing off peoples suffering.
I highly suggest you check you the 'tgc critical' tag on tumblr, its very in active but has some people saying much of the same thing.
Also if you do make another video critizing tgc you might want to look into the TOS about fan art and the claims that some in game designs were heavily inspired by fanart and other similar things (without the creators premission). Essentially their TOS states that any fanart/creations you make are free for them to use without premission, and from my understanding you cannot opt out of this in any way if you want to make fanart.
So glad to see you speaking up about this. Sky no longer feels like the relaxing social game it advertises itself as. Nowadays its just a grindy glorified dress up game.
I have to agree I started playing sky because of its lore and how beautiful it looks but seeing cosmetic after cosmetic is just sad,what’s the point of playing when you have full everything? You’re just stuck in this set of grinding
Now when I think about it...
YEAH! 😭 you're right... It's really depressing...... I do miss the old days when I was a moff...
At least I have my bff in sky, she's sooo fun to hang out with... That makes things better.... Right?
Always has been 🔫😎
True true. I only do seasons that I'm interested in. I'm skipping this current season because it's super depressing.
Tbh. I’m a bit disappointed in the lack of lore the game gives us. Because i also love lore. Me abx my brother started making up our own lore stuff. :(
Since TGC basically removed AFK farming I thought the prices would go down, since it's harder to obtain candles, but what a surprise that everything is just getting harder and harder to do, it just doesn't make sense.
Also wax from spirits in Orbit. At first I thought it was just going to be a temporary thing so people wouldn’t abuse it in the concert, but no. They just kept it in. Why? Don’t know. That’s TGC for you. Don’t ask questions, just deal with it
I'm a season of performance moth and I JUST learned about AFK farming as it was getting taken away AUGH like!!!
@@veltzon4322 wait they did that too? what the HECK is TGC up to
It does make sense. It's what people have been saying for months and months, they want you to buy candles.
it does make sense. they want people to buy candles lmao
“ you cannot eat money”
TGC eating more and more each year. 😭
Yeaaah that makes me grit my teeth so hard ;__;
Yeah, i found it so ironic that they used that song.
So ironic for them to use this music when they are literally doing that.
The irony is real
This line will never be not funny! 😂
This was true for the winter event too! Having to spend 120 candles on a snowman bucket was insane and 50 for the smallest of face items when a WHOLE CAPE was once 70. They are going crazy with the pricing.
edit: also for the people who love to say "you don't have to get every item!" well... if you started earlier and were getting EVERY ITEM because they were being drip-fed to you slowly... How is that unfair for the new players to also want a chance to get every item if they grind hard? But with the cost of things now it is LITERALLY not possible. Think about it: if they miss out on items this year then next year they will still have to get the items they missed now PLUS the new items that come out. It's an impossible thing at this rate!
Agreed. And with the (you don’t need to get every item) part. Well. Tgc makes it hard for us to not want to get every cosmetic. Lol
this system with constantly introducing cosmetics and with the never-ending amount of possible ts slowly but surely been going to where we are now; new players obviously want to have all these things, the "you don't have to get every item" rhetoric might work in other games but sky is built around dressing your character up and getting more currency for future cosmetics. it has ALWAYS been a silly dress-up game, but now there's a giant divide between someone who started last month and someone who's been playing since launch. it was bad during early seasons too, i joined during android launch, started to play actively during enchantment, and collecting candles was always a struggle, but nowhere near what newer players now have. my and my friends' biggest issues were completing the realm constellations and occasionally saving up to 150+ candles for ts and some events. the amount of exclusive things you could get was relatively small, even with drawbacks like redundant wax system (had to run full cr daily) it was still doable and not too overwhelming
if i joined now, i'd quit. like it's just depressing idk. i would join, naked and broke, and as much sky community likes to say the game is all about friendly interactions and making friends it's not really true, you'll still have to go to other related platforms to find a buddy to play. and then what? as i said, sky is and has always been a dress-up game. it's about creating your avatar and grinding to get new stuff. it's a little bit sad joining a game revolving around these kinds of things and realizing that you have nothing, and the chances of you getting things you actively like and desire, be it something you saw on other players (if they're generous enough to light your candle) or some item you've seen in discord or wiki or whatever, might take months to arrive, and it's totally random every time. i would quit, i wouldn't think it was fair. i already felt bitter knowing i missed on some pants during my moth stage, i can't imagine how i'd feel as a new player now. and with the prices going up, with tgc doing things harder for average player, removing afk spots, yeah it's uh not looking good chief
sorry for this rant too. got a lot of pent up anger about this game and its' mechanics and recent changes. i'm still low-key mad they've changed the way friends' stars look in the constellation now too, like i cannot tell the difference
@@on3zt2ey9c As someone whom started about a year ago, totally can confirm, I'm so burned out from this game. I barely care about candles anymore or missing something since I know I won't have the candles for it even if I grind. It's just sad, I really only play to see one real friend that i made who gave me a season pass for Shattering, but I barely manage to see them because of timezones. And I also think they haven't been active either...
@@artistbug7562 lmao yeah same. i have dropped the game for 5+ month periods at this point. i have two friends who i've been playing with since the very first month, and we've all been through burnouts, and all are playing occasionally, but nothing like before. the group used to be bigger, too; those people left and never came back, which is understandable. i think it's just that type of game. other than running cr, there's nothing particularly fun to do. in the past it used to be fun to explore oob, but now it's just kind of whatever, idk.
i stopped caring about candles and items probably when i collected the last ts from rhythm or the one before it, can't remember - it was either the juggler ts or the yoga ts, i honestly don't remember which one was the last to come. it just felt like some sort of accomplishment, and after that i didn't actively care about any spirits or exclusive items, and stopped buying passes, in my mind i already had anything i wanted. idk what else is there to do. i don't have any desire to play the game that punishes me for not having enough time to grind daily, i was so relieved when they reworked the wax system and when they added bonfires throughout the realms, it saved time. then they removed the afk spots, which is, well. a fun decision. but as you said even collecting those 20 daily candles feels like a useless task once some new item shows up and you see the price. it's not worth the time it needs to collect these, like cmon now
Yes, when I saw the price of the snowman I was so sad. So expensive, just for that.
Yk, for those of us who have played sky for a long time, we’ve seen this game develop and change in real time. We’ve seen it’s ups, it’s downs, it’s updates and additions. We’ve seen this economy issue become more and more prominent in the last couple years. I agree when you say I’m not sure how they’ll fix it, but I think a video discussing this topic would be really good from you; you explained the problem so well in this video in just 5 mins. I’m hoping we’ll see some changes with this but I’ve said that so many times before and.. yeah. It’s getting me a bit down too atm. Sky just doesn’t feel the same anymore
I joined consistently in season of Enchantment. From then on, it was every day for at least 2 hours. Even though I didn't make many friends at first because I love to be solo, I loved the game. 2 years later, maybe 2.5, I've thought about quitting so many times. Even as a vet, it can get very difficult to keep up with the events which seem to be coming back to back now. I cried during the first Aurora quest because it reminded me so much of my moth days starting the game. Going back and being so carefree and being kind for one another is really what we miss as you and Nasty said. I'll also be leaving feedback, but I don't know if it is too far gone already. It may be free to play, but the economy for the igc items is almost making it pay to win the cosmetics. I miss Sky from 2020.
Sky 2020 will never be beaten…
Yeh I miss sky 2020 too, so many of my friends don’t play anymore and it feels like so much energy to make new ones when so many people just want someone to give them hearts, or guide them around without any real interaction. I guided a moth once, then they left and never spoke to me since except to fulfil quests and ask for hearts. I get wanting to be solo, I do that a lot myself, but at least say hi 😕
I do want to add tho, that I still love those little moments where you can have a whole conversations through emotes, or help each other through spirits and quests and spend a while hanging with strangers. Most times we never become friends, it’s just a nice chill way to connect
Well said!
The rose cape being so flippin' expensive is just insane. I do not know what they're thinking.
Also the fact the idle wax locations no longer work if you're idle. It's so frustrating ...
I love roses but I think I’ll have to pass with this cape.
You're so right about the idle locations, it's so obnoxious. The only way ive ever gotten over 100 candles is because of those idle wax locations (or paying real money) and now that we have to work much harder for cosmetics I'm definitely going to get more and more burnt out
this brings me back to the same event maybe a year or two ago, i can't remember, where they've just introduced a big sakura tree in home, and there was no limit for candles. we would just leave the game running for the night and collect the daily cr equivalent of wax in the morning. absolutely glorious lazy farming, miss it every day
@@on3zt2ey9c oh yeah I remember that, it was fun to see lots of sky kid lying under the tree to collect the wax, leaving their sky kid just like that to do their job irl and some sky kid also play a music and chat too under the tree... Yeah good old time, miss old sky so much
@@zaeronmint true true!! it was always so extremely nice going to sleep under the tree and seeing a friend or two snuggling next to you in the morning, such a small sweet gesture of them seeing me online and joining while afk. miss this so much
Yeah, I've noticed a change in the Sky community over just the past year and a half (I started during The Little Prince), there probably is a more significant change for those who've played sky from the beta or even those who started at launch, but there still is a change. Yes, the prices have started to become absurdly expensive (I'd say it started around Days of Sunlight with the 90 candle tent prop) but thats just the economy. The entire atmosphere and interactions I've had have become more toxic and self-centered rather than the friendship and generosity this game was once created to nurture. Now its all about cosmetics and showing off that you've played this game longer than someone else or that you have the means to get something in-game with monetary value. People won't even stop and open the forest doors for each other, or light other people when a candle gets offered. I feel like this has partly been a result of the changes TGC has been making to Sky, but it is still sad to see.
I hope everyone is well and you all have a good rest of your day...
I’ve also noticed a decrease in helpfulness from people!! :((
Yeah :/ I have to say this out loud: I'm not a social type. From the beginning (I started in season of dreams) I have played alone with occasional social encounters. But now... I actually miss talking to people and making new friends. I literally run when I see someone I have on my list. And why? Because I don't have whole day to play and I gotta grind candles (which are harder to get nowadays, one candle less from my usual run so I have to do longer runs) in the time that I have to play. I still stop to help with the door, light a candle and bow but I no longer wait in the vault for people to open 4 players door, I just chibi fall because it's faster. I realised that I miss social encounters in the game (which is quite odd as for me) recently by the dragon which is so much fun where there are other players around.
The flying over forest gates really annoys me sometimes because when someone flys over, it causes the gates to glitch and not open for anyone after them. Have you ever tried to light the switch, only for it to stop halfway and take forever to open? That’s usually due to someone flying over the gate. I get that some people have to rush to grandma and stuff, just please keep an eye out for moths and wingless players in your server before deciding to fly over the gate 🥺
@@avery-brown Oh, I didn't know that someone flying over is what causes that. I started flying over because of that glitch. I'll watch first if a player is trying to open the gate before flying over it
@@avery-brown that’s not due to flying over, thats due to it having been opened and closed recently! ik this bc it happens in the internal gate in the caves as well (that can’t be flown over). if i see someone go through i sigh bc i know it’ll take a bit for me to be able to open it again after they did
I noticed something when I introduced some of my friends to this game a short while before Season of AURORA.
When they first started, they weren't as excited about actually experiencing the game as I was (I started during Season of The Little Prince). They were more concerned about getting the cosmetics to "grow up" from being a moth. It was like being a new player was something to be ashamed of.
I've been seeing this in a lot of the moths I've talked to, as well. The majority want help getting candles and hearts for the cosmetics, and not to have fun.
While the cosmetics are a big part of the game, it feels like the companionship and overall purpose of the game is being sucked away, and the new players are more stressed about something that shouldn't matter as much as it does.
I miss the old Sky... I still love to play it but it's not as fun when you *have* to play *every day* to be able to enjoy it, and not even to experience the connections the game was designed for.
As a PS5 player who started during the Season of Aurora, thank you and YES! I'm in love with the game and play every day, but I'm getting exhausted by the feeling that I HAVE to play every day in order to get candles and hearts. Seeing this new pricing it feels like I'll never ever catch up. I do feel the pressure to get better cosmetics because 1) cape and outfit envy! and 2) I've found other players are not always nice to moths. Most are, but I've had some unpleasant experiences offering other players friendship and since upgrading my cosmetics (like becoming a chibi) I've noticed less of that.
Yeah it's sad but the game has gotten more popular to so I think this was already kind of happening all these ridiculous changes with the currency and pricing have just really changed the community for sure
I joined during shattering, and I can confirm the "shame" in being a moth. I don't buy cosmetics I don't want and I only finished the fire trial recently because that's just how I wish to play the game. Yet, it's people will laugh if you've done Eden and you still have "basic" pants. It's not cool. I felt felt pressured to buy the aurora season pass just days before it ended, so I could have cooler pants, and stop looking like a moth. It sucks. Whilst I try my best to just play how I wish, it's hard to not feel pressured to grind for all the cosmetics. I remember during season of aurora, instead of doing the tasks, I would just make friends in prairie with my tier 1 cape and beige pants. I didn't like that season. Why should I waste my time getting capes I don't like ? Now, I just candle run all day. I barely have time to make new friends, as I need to hit 20 candles. I can't wonder around hidden forest anymore enjoying the music, as if I'm exploring a real forest. I haven't got time, I'm supposed to be saving up to buy cosmetics so I change outfits every other day :/
Yes, this is happening.
I introduced my sisters to Sky at different times, while I have been playing on and off for 3 years (my phone couldn't keep up with the graphics for a while)
One was introduced just over a year ago, loves to spend time in the forest and prairie, and only very recently got more than a yellow cape.
The other, I introduced to Sky in December (towards the end of season of aurora). They are focused on 'not looking like a moth', and are using their time almost exclusively to get candles due to the 200 candle outfit they saw available.
It's even happening to me, I find it hard to slow down and hang out, when "I could be using this time to get those precious candles I need" - not just for my own cosmetics, but to recover the cost of sending hearts
It's really true. When I first started playing (around the same time as you) it was a lot of fun. Hanging out with friends in beautiful locations was quite interesting.But for a number of reasons I had to remove sky (I didn't play that long, so I didn't get much). Now, having installed the game again, I no longer feel the atmosphere of the old sky. Every day I do nothing but collect candles and hearts. I really feel embarrassed that the old players have a lot of cool capes, but I, the moth, do not:( Everything is too expensive, I do not have time to save up or enjoy the game. It's exhausting:((
What nags me the most is how long me and I'm sure the community aswell has been with how predictable tgc is with travelling spirits. you can claim all you want that they're randomised. But you have nothing to argue against the fact that whenever a new event rolls around, where all the old cosmetics become available to buy, suddenly a super expensive spirit pops up at the closest thursday to the event. So new players who don't know, see all the new cosmetics available to them, go and spend all their candles/hearts and then when the ts or event comes along they have nothing, and that puts them in a situation where the only way they could have enough to buy the new stuff is to spend money to get candles. It honestly feels really predatory, and like it preys on new player's lack of knowledge, and how older players are all jaded and unfazed to it by now. Along with the whole collecting aspect of sky that is really pushed by the community, when I was a moth I saw all the videos of people with rows and rows of cosmetics and I thought they were so cool, and I wanted to collect everything! Now, I have a bunch of junk that I barely wear (yes some really amazing cosmetics that i adore, but also a lot of random stuff that I really didn't need but bought anyway because of this hoarding culture, and the pressure of cosmetics only being available for a limited time making you think you want them). Really think abt what you buy in sky, but tbh I think that yes it is mostly tgc's fault, but it's also the community for pushing this idealistic, nearly unobtainable goal to get all the cosmetics.
Sorry for the massive paragraph, just been on my mind for a long while
yeah I thought that ts was randomized...then tgc put an expensive spirit at the same time as another expensive limited thing, like I heard about sword pants and now seeing it myself with yeti pants and guitar spirit coming when people are trying to save for aurora's cure for me pants and mask (and also feast items). I understand controlling the ts to be weasel mask after Sky becomes available in a new console, cause its cheap for the new players, but purposely putting expensive things to happen at the same time just looks like they want to pressure players to buy candle packs.
Yeah definitely not random. I've been saying this since the first few months I joined, during LP. It was pretty apparent that they not only time the expensive spirits with events, but the themes as well. The guessing game with the hints make no sense at all either, I think its there only to get people hyped and start grinding again.
Spoke to an actual sky dev at the first ever sky assembly, and they said they were randomized. The thing is, the traveling spirits IN GENERAL are expensive, they're not picking and choosing.
Yeah I definitely feel you on the hoarding thing,, the cosmetics are so pretty but the pricing is crazy :x and I need up with a bunch of stuff I can’t always equally use everyday
The fact that other capes cost around 70-90 candles, but the new items are just too expensive.. it is absurd. I’m very tired of grinding a lot of candles, I bought ox mask today and I have to get ready for the Traveling Spirit too. I really wish I could get the other days of fortune cosmetics, but that is out of my reach. And, This would be my first time experiencing days of bloom, so all the other cosmetics count too.
Yeah. And it’s all of us man, even the ones who have played this game for years and years. It’s crazy to think that even being fully up to date with the game, that including seasons, travelling spirits, events, and everything else still doesn’t change the fact that it is so hard to KEEP up to date in sky currently. Things are increasing in my price all the time, and when IAP items are on the cheaper side they just compensate by adding a tonne of them. It feels like they’re leaving us behind
Agree with you and Kayy. I’ve been playing for years and I don’t feel like I have the luxury of skipping a day if I want to have enough saved up for new items. I feel so bad for newer players. I’m not sure I would stick around if I started today. I really hope they will listen and ease up some
@@AngelxSwift yeah I feel so bad too for newer players. I met a friend a while ago who had played for a couple weeks, and I remember them telling me how they already felt overwhelmed by sky. How they couldn’t even hope to keep up, let alone catch up with the game. They quit soon after because of this and it just sucks
@@Falkayy I’m so sorry. I know that feeling; I don’t bother recommending Sky to people anymore because between the IGC and IAP prices… why would I want to do that to my friends?
I hope enough people are able to say something in a way that TGC will listen and back off this some
@@AngelxSwift yeah I hope so too. Revamping some systems such as ts or events might be a good idea, so that rather than trying to fix what’s already been done they just take a new approach for the future. Lowering prices for past items and events might anger some players but I think the vast majority would just be glad for the change and happy for newer players having a chance. I certainly would be happy about thag
SOMEONE SAID IT!!!!!!! Oh my god thank you thank you thank you! I’ve been so distressed about the state of the Sky economy for years at this point, especially as prices have been getting more and more predatory.
People *often* say that “it’s a free game” or “you don’t need to buy cosmetics to enjoy the game” when after your first Eden run basically the entire gameplay loop revolves around grinding for new cosmetics. New cosmetics are what drive the game, and it’s gotten to the point where playing Sky feels like an obligation or else you’re going to miss out and have to wait for something that might not even come back in the next 2 years.
I’m so incredibly thankful that you said something, it’s so impactful coming from you
Honest to god this feels like a bubble that’s been waiting to burst.
I hate people saying “You don’t NEED to buy the cosmetics to enjoy the game”. Sure I don’t NEED it but I do WANT it and there’s nothing wrong with them. I also don’t want to wait for another year just for it to come back again. There’s nothing else to do once you complete Eden aside from participating in seasons, which is basically getting cosmetics anyways.
You're right cosmetics drive Sky. I find myself only playing if a season has free cosmetics that I want, otherwise I don't open the game.
I honestly believe they raise the prices to make people purchase candle packs😔 and the majority agree with you nasty dw 💚
i was literally about to say they gain nothing from raising igc prices then i remembered you can pay for candles. they especially love doing this with big events back to back or releasing iaps for people to buy not knowing when the spirit with a similiar item is coming back and they have it show up immediately after that offer expires
@@fermentingdragonFR I bought summer umbrella then the regular umbrella spirit came back, sky just cares about money now that it’s becoming more famous. I joined on the rhythm season and now whenever I open the game I feel like throwing up even though I spent so much money on this game..😀🔫
@@vinnyeru i literally spent like 50€ getting that sideshave braided hair from abyss bc i didnt play for a while and found out abt the season too late im still so embarrassed abt that i refuse to pay for anything else. i also really wanted that fish hood ever since i first saw it and i had no idea it was an iap and in a pack AND now at a higher price i rly hate logging on lately
I may spend money on seasons and some little iap items but I never bought the normal candle packs because I know that’s what they want us to do when we can’t catch up with buying the in game stuff. This year I was finally able to get something from the Chinese new year event and it’s enough for me 😭
@@fermentingdragoni know this is probably against their intended business but I WISH you could the pack cosmetics individually. I really want the Fortune cape but I don’t want to pay $24.99 for all three items. I just want the cape 😭
I'm a 3 year veteran and watched how Sky evolved and I'm totally disappointed..the last few weeks was filled with me debating about what i truly am getting out of the game and if i should leave it altogether. The game used to be an experience, following lore, discovering hidden treasures, basking in music and being delightes in the kindfulness of a stranger. Now it's become a "keeping up with the Joneses". Everyone is grinding out to stay up to date with outfits, friendships have become "by proxy" type where if you don't benefit the other person in a way that they can elevate themselves, they then see you as a waste of time. I've been playing solo for last 1.5 years and it's been impossible to get genuine friendships, most are already deep into a clique thats filled with so much inner jokes you'll never understand. I've been told by people to join discords in order to have a better experience and what i found was even more saddening. Discords are filled with people using others to get as many candles and hearts in the quickest way possible. I see groups form around "shrine message planting" where 20+ ppl will like each other's shrine messages just to get a heart a week. ( These groups require screenshot proofs that you e cleared a shrine so they know they can "trust" you and win their friendship) give me a break. The game has become another rat race. It's so sad, the very thing that was created to let us put our minds at ease from the REAL LIFE rat race has become just that. I am genuinely debating quitting. It's not fun anymore :/
Almost 3 year old player here and couldn't agree more. I've stopped being active and play on and off altogether starting from shattering season.
Today, my friend constellation that once was full with shining stars and friends become online notifications popped up one by one now is just but a shelf collecting dust. The stars aren't glimmering, no one lights up my star and no online notifications pop up in my game anymore, shows that all of them have blocked me bcz I've not been lighting up their candles.
This just shows you how transactional having connection and relationships are, even in sky. If you don't benefit someone in any way, don't let them clog up your constellation and best to block them. Let the active friends stay, and once they become inactive too, they will be next in the block list. It's seriously sad
@@apieceoftrash5673 perhaps it's just that they themselves have faded away from the game.. become disappointed and left?
It's happened to me, though I go through phases, and many of my friends were still waiting. And as you say, there are some that just never light up anymore. That was almost me, if I didn't return, or have friends constantly lighting my star, sending me notifications and bringing back into the game.
Don't lose hope eM, just the other day I (also a 3 yr veteran, but have taken many long gaps in between) got gifted a season pass. - Not to focus on what it was, just that it was a huge gift -
The person who gave it to me, I don't know their name, and we've never spoken. We met because they were just playing music somewhere, and I sat and listened for a while. They were known as "cool hair, music" in my constellation for ages 😅.
It was so out of the blue, and generous, and made me think that just maybe, there are still some people in the game who get it.
Been here since gratitude and I couldn’t agree more. I haven’t played consistently, but I see the changes of behavior in people nowadays.
Used to be pure joy and fun in friendships, joking around with people you just met.
Now it’s just a little friendship game you play with the other until they’d one day ask “Could you give me [--]?” And when you decline they’re like “Oh it’s okay😄 It’s all good no worri- *Blocks you* “
Re the shrine msgs hearts... It is 50 likes rn for the normal msg shrines to get heart... Which... To have at least 50 ppl work together so everyone gets their heart 👀 it is more than admirable ngl. And as tgc lowered the appearance of meditation daily tasks (where is the number of likes is only 10) so to get a heart from shrines is becoming less frequent...
It’s hard to play this game when things are so expensive. I’m really happy you’ve brought it to light because I’ve been taking a break from this game, because it feels like it’s been losing its heart for me. It’s just getting kinda soul sucking :,(
I know the feel.
I myself just got back from my long break and it's really saddened me to see how much it changed for the price especially.... like yeah other improvement is good I guess even tho they get rid out of some fun oobs and all....
@@zaeronmint *SEEE?! THIS IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE TAKING OUR FUN OOBS FROM US!
THEY WANT US TO FOCUS ON GRINDIG instead of exploring!* We want to take moths to places they don't know about! Show them how big Sky Kingdom is!
But can we? 😑
*SMH*
Me myself back then I was taken to Valley OOB! I was AMAZED!
I have tried to pass through that window these days.
But I can't anymore 😭
@@Videos-for-funzies oh yeah that valley oob, I think its name is Star Field something. It's such a good and beautiful place, I love going there alone after my daily grind back then... And the fact that they remove it when I was on a break, I was like "ugh the more reason to not come back😐"
Season of Aurora opened a door for new players, and the "reward" for them continuing to explore a month later is slamming the door shut. So much love has been poured into Sky, it needs to be preserved by TGC respecting its users. Much love to anyone reading this and thank you for this video!
I started playing during Prophecy and I was a "moth" for a few months. I only started having veteran friends later who showed me secret areas, all winged lights, how to collect stuff and how to go through Eden. I remember when the umbrella spirit came back those years ago and I didn't have enough candles for it (I had around 30/40 while it costed 60 candles) nor any ascended candles yet and it made me very upset and start consistenly candlerunning. I can't imagine the despair a moth in today's Sky must feel when seeing all of those prices being 100-200 candles for a single piece of clothing
Despite the rant as always the 'hello everyone' brightened my day
Because she’s happy towards us, not TGC :]
literally thank you so much for doing this as a big youtuber. things get worse every event, I dont know if just leaving feedback even helps at all.
I agree. I also feel like a huge amount of feedback is constantly ignored by tgc when it's on the subject of IGC or actual money. I swear so many people got upset on the first update they started to take away the afk light places. its exhausting cr every single day, especially for kids who are in high school (WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THEIR PLAYER BASE). after that update, we went to feedback and told them to bring back the light places. we waited till the next update, and guess what had happened??? they took away the other 2 light places people went to, even tho thousands begged in feedback and in general to give them back, even going as far as making videos stating such, commenting on tgc content, stopping playing the game in protest, etc. if they actually cared ab the feedback they get, they'd give at least one or two of them back but they're all gone. I think they did this because they knew the people who sit in light places don't cr but still want candles, so they thought they could earn some money making people buy more candle packs.
@@Xszhs yeah that's insane. some people say like "they can't bring a change in a day" but the prices being high has been a thing for more than a year now, it's just getting worse, people been asking for normal pricing for a long time. and that afk thing clearly shows how they're literally ignoring players.
I'm glad that they listened at least somewhere (rainbow pants, cat hair(?)), but maybe that's an illusion to create that they care, considering that we have less cases of when they listened.
I don't want to say such about tgc, but this is literally what is happening, I'm not going to pretend as if they're a great friendly small indie company. they clearly do this to encourage players to buy candle packs, that are unreasonably overpriced.
@@favorite_lie I couldn't agree more. they only hear what they want to hear from their player base. ive loved the game for two years now, but I just can't help but find the prices extremely over what they should be. I mean, even currently, they've doubled the prices of their igc items; for example the new bloom cape is pretty much double the first bloom capes prices. not to mention, the fact that there's now becoming less and less items to get for free. many of the items when the game started out just costed candles, with the occasional iap. it has completely reversed now im seeing. it just keeps getting harder and harder for new players to catch up on the events, due to everything being so damned overpriced. it ruins the motivation to play for them, which in turn leaves tgc with only their long-term players (who are also dying out slowly due to motivation. this is where the afk light places would come in handy for tgc because it would at least keep the long-term players in the game. now they've pretty much ruined it for everyone). I mean, just take the lunar new years events red umbrella; that costs 25 CAD. its a simple umbrella, no candle pack, no added cosmetics, no free adventure pass, no new features, no cool gimmicks or anything... just an umbrella that costs the same as two days worth of dinner for a family of 4.
PLEASE make that video. the amount of backlash you get from kids defending a COMPANY when you have anything negative to say about the game is actually insane and with every new event it feels like we are heard less and less. the whole point of critiquing it is that we love the game and want it to be good and fun and accessible for everyone
Dang, that is super rough on new players...which is weird, because retaining new players is important for any game. For a new player, it's hard enough waiting months for an event to return so you can get those cosmetics, but making it that much more difficult to save up enough IGC? I feel like someone playing an hour a day should be able to afford any and all IGC cosmetics they want.
I really appreciate you speaking out on this. Trying to even keep up with items is getting discouraging. It seems like it used to be an occasional pricey item, like the sword pants or the rainbow cape, but now it is starting to feel like almost every event has at least one of these. I'm going to spend some time figuring out how to say what I want to say to TGC in the Discord but I just wanted to say thanks for saying this.
Really pushy prices on behalf of 'That Game Company' >.<
Can barely keep up with them.
Just make sure to watch out, the discord server in sky is a bit…weird? Idk how to explain this.
There’s a chance you’ll get muted when you say constructive criticism, or will get attacked by the white knights of the community. (But there’s a chance ppl will agree with you).
This may be just me trying to say something about the discord server but they also have weird rules like “can’t talk about anything else then sky”.
Ah yes, 120 candles for salami cape 😂 I will cry over these prices going wild
They really are :/
Thank you for using your platform to speak out to this. I sent feedback after Season of Aurora, which I loved but was saddened by the IAP prices and the inclusion of a 200 candle cost outfit in a seasonal tree that was never to be offered again. The following was part of that feedback
“You all get so much right and your efforts are admired and loved by millions. I feel Sky is a game whose USP is founded on principles of sharing, community, and associated values. Perhaps with this New Year, when the struggle is real and we are impacted and seriously scared by what is coming, TGC could take some time to reflect on how Sky could evolve to truly become the guiding light it set out to be in changing the way we play games.”
Beautiful feedback you sent them. I think the same.
I don't think they can make big changes soon, but I do hope they change their direction towards the future afar from what we are seeing in the present.
Don't get me wrong, so much of what they've achieved has been amazing, but the current direction feels troublesome to say the least.
@@iknosabuk tysm. Hopefully they listen as Beta disco is blowing up rn 🤣
@@SkyAdventureQuest yeah ^ ^
THANK YOU! I find it hypocritical that they changed the wax collection system to make it easier for players only to gradually raise the prices of everything. There's an event almost every month, it's hard to save when each event costs 100-200 candles each for new items. Imagine what it's like for a new player!
and not to mention travelling spirits, and some of those are nearly 200 candles to fully complete. it’s impossible to obtain enough to get everything you want, it really sucks
as a new player I can confirm that I am still going through the 7 stages of grief with the realization that I might not be able to buy the long green cape in time for the current season pass
@@midgetwaffles8635 SAME ITS STRESSFUL😭
@@akitotommy Yeah, I forgot about this since I've played too long, travelling spirits used to be a huge stress for me. 😔 Their prices are astronomical, occurring every 2 weeks... every two weeks!! It's extremely hard to save if you haven't gotten any of the items because you don't know when they will come back. It took like a year for some of the TS to come back.
This economy rant NEEDED to be said, especially from someone as big in the community as NastyMold. Thank you for being brave enough to say this and using your platform to get this message across, even when I know TGC knows about you.
As a season of performance moth, I definitely know now how hard it is to catch up and how expensive everything is. I’ve also seen the changes TGC has been making that makes it even more difficult for players to get candles everyday.
It’s crazy that they are simultaneously lowering the ease of playing and increasing the cost of items all at the same time. Any trust I’ve had in TGC has slowly been diminishing to nothing as I learn more about how they move and what they do as a company to their own loyal playerbase. It is incredibly disheartening and I’m very disappointed.
Please make a video on tgc 's economy, I've brushed past their change in prices under the reasons of "it's a small company", "COVID times", "inflation" but now I've changed my stance. It is interesting to note the articles online regarding TGC's history as they've had to lay off multiple employees due to lack of funding after Journey, but hired more after getting money from Journey and completing Sony's Contract. They also got $160 million from Pixars co-founder. This is all for a company with less then 50 employees currently. And while they've said they're working on a new game, surely all this money is sufficient to fund it without draining Sky as a game? This has to change. I hope since your voice is quite prominent as a content creator, things will look up in the future.
I truly hope they listen to you on this, since you’re a bigger voice in the community. The prices are just… insane. So inaccessible.
nasty, your rant was very needed. i agree wholeheartedly.
**rant!!** i see all of the new iaps and even free purchases, i'm so (pardon my language) IM SO GODDAMNED FUCKING MAD. like. everything is so expensive and as much as i love tgc, i wish the magic would come back. i miss the old game. everything has gotten so much more expensive even within the game. more players are finding it easier to just buy candles instead of chilling like the game intends you to. i'm so upset that the magic has slowly been draining out of the game. i'm just.. ugh...
to be honest, ive poured more money this past two months than in all of my time on sky combined. like... i understand that TGC's gotta keep the lights on.. but at this point, they have millions of players, and many of them are likely to pay money for shit. couldn't they let the FTP players have at least some items that dont need money to be poured into the game? yes, there are TS' and many free items, but many of them are getting to 100-110+ candles per item. and speaking as a mainly FTP player, grinding takes so long to do, and is mentally taxing. is it worth spending 4 hours grinding for 20 candles? grinding for five days for the POSSIBILITY of getting an item? i'm tired!!! and burned out!!! i just feel as though TGC isn't quite thinking about the players who cant afford to buy items or capes, or dont have the time to pour into the game. i dunno. that's my two cents i guess
god, i thought this was recent. it's sad to see that this is very relevant today still.
i miss when we would just hang out in sky without being so pressured about items
I would love to see a full video about Sky's economy from you! Since you've been playing for long, that would be interesting (i joined for the Switch launch and i can already see how much it has changed, so i can't imagine what it's lik for veterans C': )
Plus, i think that a well-known YT's voice would, sadly, have way more weight than lambda players (a lot of us have been complaining since a long time, but it clearly didn't changed anything :/ )
Would love to have that video aswell. A reflection of what once was Sky.
What is lambda?
I'm gonna point out some of the current spending issues, and if i miss something you can add in the replies
(for the record, me and a few friends have played this game over 2 years, this is what we noticed) [ Also i apologize that i've basically written an essay lol! ]
1. Growing difference between IAP and IGC prices (at first.) Now both IAP and IGC prices are insanely bad.
2. IAP items being significantly better looking/ better use and IGC items poor looking/ poor use/ useless.
3. They expect us to GRIND nonstop. Which is why afk spots were removed but now with current prices heavy grinding is also pointless.
4. Insane IAP prices. You know its bad when an umbrella in sky costs more than an umbrella in real life -_-
5. Insane IGC prices. 200 candles for swords pants, 100+ candles for a cape. -_-
What I feel is, sky should be more than a game for dress up/ flaunting outfits. Every single interactable thing has a price. It gets exhausting at some point. And now, the game is unfair to everyone: moths, intermediates and veterans alike! Many of us are in school/ college/ jobs, we are tired after a long day and we can't grind nonstop daily for candles, especially when its clearly not gonna make a difference anymore. Many of us, especially students cannot afford the insane IAP prices either!
I have some IGC item price suggestions. (Correct me if i am wrong here)-
Pretty looking/ special Capes/ Pants 60 to 75
Average looking Capes /Pants 45 to 60 candles.
Items (practically usable/ large decor) 30 to 44
Items (useless practically/ average to small decor items) 15 to 29
As it is when an event comes it brings several items at once, not just one item. So you still overall use quite an amount of candles! But now the way things are, even ONE item is so overpriced. So voice out your opinions so they can be heard!!
"You know its bad when an umbrella in sky costs more than an umbrella in real life" 100% agree!! Nowadays I just skip several items because it's getting frustrating. I always think: will I really use it? If not, skip.
YO i completely agree with these prices like I want the fortune umbrella so bad but it just aint happening it hurts that they do this but with those in game prices you suggested mannnn everything would be mellowed and beautiful again because its actually FAIR
I know th price 75 candels is just perfekt. But after all this time seeing this prices feels wrong. It's just sad😪🥲
This pricing is perfect! I just can't make myself to do a candle run every day so every time there is a traveling spirit I will be at 10 candles or something like that. I'm a somewhat new player. The game will make a massive glow down whit players if the pricing keeps going up it works for a little time but not for too long. Maybe even I would spend more time on it if it wasn't always about buying new stuff
@@arian_motta it’s funny cause in the official sky shop you can get a umbrella for 105$ I NORMAL UMBRELLA THAT ONLY HAS A DESIGN OF WIND OR SOMETHING
Definitely appreciate your rants. Positivity can get toxic once it’s no longer warranted. I once heard it said that when you love something you want it to be the best it can be, i appreciate you sharing your love of this game in all the ways, and constructive criticism is one way to show you care. TGC listens to you, thank you for this and I hope you do make a separate video about the candle economy. I feel so badly for new players, it honestly worries me for the longevity of this game if they continue on this path.
Thank you for this! Glad that there is someone who doesn’t just clap every TGC decision like it wasn’t unfair, especially to new players. This was a very necessary video, and I hope you don’t change your mind about it in the future to come.
Even sadder is that it is unfair to everyone. These prices are so difficult to keep up with, and they sway everyone away from the important stuff: the social part of the game.
Tgc after making almost everything over priced: 💃💸🤑💰
Those stuffs are so low detail, that i am sure they didn't even took 3 days to make one
@@darknessinc.Inc830 imagine having to pay candles that cost 50 dollars to buy if u were to buy candles, for a cape that moves freely tgc is tripping 😭😭😭 no way im spending so much candles on a bird bath that feeds butterflies and not birds 🙂😭😭
Hm
I’m so glad your speaking about this. Especially since they removed the ability to AFK altogether (slowly removing AFK wax spots). Hiding the IAP prices in beta is awful.
and also removing the option to obtain candles when you are sleeping for too long (when the zzz floats around)
@@arian_motta :(
Very well said! I started playing in aurora, I had no idea the prices used to be cheaper. Its really strange that days of bloom items are so expensive, theres a cap of 20 candles a day. It lasts about two weeks if I count correctly, which is too little time to get three of the items, let alone 4. And asking people to save up is unreasonable, theres also the current season, travelling spirits, making friends, and the constellations. I get making things expensive so that daily diehard players have something worthwhile to buy with their grind, but it shouldn't be impossible to get the items without buying candle packs.
Days of fortune is a good example of how things should be priced: its 2 weeks, which results in 210-280 candles if you gather between 15 and 20 candles daily. If you want to get all masks, its 255 candles. (About 60 each mask and 15 for the spells) Its a grind sure, but it's not unreasonable. I really expected other events to have similar pricing
They should increase the "max" amount of candles you are able to get in a day at this point. They have enough locations in the game that we should be able to collect 30-40 a day. This wouldn't be so annoying if so. I get why people take breaks from it. The grind culture it pushes is toxic. I can't be nice about this.
1:11 The 70 cherry blossom cape, I’m so glad I have that already. I have 113 candles so I’m definitely not gonna waste them.. maybe
Inflation…
i started in 2020, so i’ve watched the prices for each season and limited event gradually go up until you couldnt even skip one day during season of aurora without failing to get the ultimate gift. honestly at this point when i say i love sky, i actually just mean i love what sky _used_ to be. 2 and a half years ago, i loved making new memories with my friends and enjoying the seasons as they passed by. now the only thing that you really can do on sky is grind candles until you die. it’s sickening and i’m so tired of tgc’s (for lack of a better word) bullshit
Regarding paying candles to be friends: I think this mechanic does two very important things that I immediately appreciated when I started playing 3 years ago. 1) It facilitates consent and 2) it requires sacrifice. You are investing hard earned candles in that relationship. I would be sad to see those go away.
That said, the cosmetics grind is intense. I have up on trying to buy everything (IGC and IAP) a few seasons ago.
All that said, I’m still a fan of this game. Still play everyday. Still waiting for some hard lore. 😉
Those higher tiers are rather pricey though. 20+ candles a node. Either you sacrifice a days+ earnings or you feel guilty when your friend offers to.
One of you is likely to be spending more than the other on that friendship.
The very least they could do is have a split the bill option.
What I would prefer though, is a different currency. A currency that is exclusive to that one friendship, that goes up over time whist spending time together.
That would make the game far more about developing friendships, than avoiding people as to save up enough for cosmetics.
@@sugarkitty2008 exactly, I hate they made the heir tiers so expensive. It’s hard to sacrifice a lot of ascended and normal candles esp if you don’t play often or grind everyday, not to mention the cosmetics being so expensive now so :/
Seriously though the fact that i joined sky for friends and to enjoy breaking wind barriers and finding oobs. Now its like i just go on to cr and do dailies it makes me feel depress thinking that everything i like will eventually become like this😕 wanting more from me when i am trying my best. Even if this was the price it would be ok if u gave time but i KNOW that they will be sending a ts that everyone wants😕 how will moths keep up?? When they see everyone looking good but its hard for them to get candles?? When i played in season of assembly it felt so magical that it burnt a memory into my mind and became my childhood… sorry if this is too long😅
This problem has showed up long ago
When they introduced the rainbow pants last year, it's just a re-skin of the Jelly whisperer's pants
It was originally a IAP but changed to in game candles, which was 95
But the original jelly pants were 65, a whole 30+ for basically the same outfit but with small changes
Like for one, they're literally reusing the same model from the jelly pants and add miniscule details, which they used to make it PAID FOR REAL MONEY before changing it to in game purchases
And the changes are just them adding those cool rainbow belts to fit the theme, and also make the outfit SLIGHTLY darker (i checked and yes it is) so it isn't as vibrant
Why did they decided to reuse a model? Of course the Jelly whisperer themselves are part of the event but that doesn't mean that they need to reuse the same model but change it slightly
From the other rainbow cosmetics, they look cute and bright and pastel! While those rainbow pants are just a bit darker... why not make like a rainbow Hoodie/jacket? The other (paid) rainbow cosmetics give a feeling of casualness with the beanie and headset, so a white with rainbow accent jacket would definitely be more sought out for and would make the prices seem reasonable
As sb who have more than 2000 candles, although I'm lucky that I don't struggle to keep up with all of the events, I realized how the overall price increase stunt my goal of 3000. I'm an IGC item collector and I can slowly see this is no longer sustainable no matter how many candles I have. For example at the time of season of Aurora, I really did hit the mark of 3000 candles but it quickly reduced to 2400 afterwards. My original plan to to find a sustainable amount of candles then cr less regularly but for some reasons now I gotta keep up with everything as well
I bet this is not seen as relatable to many of you guys but I have been playing for almost 2 years now, with daunting cr schedule everyday nonstop, seeing how everything I worked up to may not mean a single thing anymore made my disappointed to no ends
I feel you. I had 1600 candles and after aurora hit I'm now at 1300ish candles and struggling to save up to 1400
@@Ceilvia It really feels like all of our efforts are being dismissed don't ya think? The lil prince was bad, sure, but the overall price increase was reasonable enough to recover within 2 weeks. Inflation hits hard
@@boxfullofdust9029 it hits hard both in game and irl 😭😭😭
I’ve being saying this for months, I went off sky for 6 months cuz I felt the change on the playable experience. But coming back to realize a prop was 100 candles… and the expensiveness of iaps items most people don’t realize they get and use for one week at most… it didn’t felt like the sky I played back then where even the iap seemed reasonable, theres nothing reasonable in sky today… my boyfriend recently started playing And I feel terrible by the struggle of him not even getting free heart from past seasons quests, that just feels like completing a crucial part of the game isn’t even gratifying… I’ve being getting more tired of it by day pass but since I enjoy the base of the game I just relied on using simple cosmetics around him, not iaps or else so he feels more in touch and dont rush, I lost all my friends based on sky greed with money, I still want to have someone to enjoy the base of this stories with me.
Thank you for this video. I started earlier this month and having to scramble every day for candles kinda takes away from the relaxing aspect.
Edit: Also I totally get that newbies especially can't expect to buy everything. It's just the combination of being too new to know how best to earn candles, then paired with a time crunch is nerve-wracking.
Yeah, it's really awful when games start locking away all their new content behind never ending chain of seasonal time exclusives
I think that if they really need to increase the cost of things, then they should also increase stuff like the maximum amount of candles you can collect, or go back to the afk places..
The prices are getting higher but there’s less motivation to farm.. I hope this can be fixed in a way it’s balanced for everyone
"you dont have to get every item" while this is literally true, after playing though eden a couple time, collecting all the spirits and star children theres not much left to do. the only intrinsic tasks left in the game is farming for candles and buying things with them. sure there are extrinsic motivators like making friends (cost candles), exploring (many oobs removed), playing music (music sheets and instruments are cosmetics) etc etc. I know that games need to make money, especially if their free to play but insisting that people should calm down about not being able to participate in basically the core activity of the game doesn't take into account how the game is designed.
the devs could add more games (similar to the hide and seek emote), more ways to make art, puzzle areas that regularly update, races that actually have rewards for style or being fast, public chat areas, a "light all" button (please), so many things that could improve the end game loop from farming for candles and paying for cosmetics.
This.
If you candle run efficiently, you can get more or less 20 candles in a day. That means if you start at, say, 0 candles at the start of Bloom, it would take about 11 days to farm 220 candles. That's nuts. Not to mention traveling spirits coming around during bloom too, so it'll take even longer.
At this point, this game isn't for casuals anymore :(
I've done candle run every day since April 2022, and because I've not liked enough travelling spirits, I've luckily got a lot of candles right now. But it's so draining to candle run every day to keep this number up.
And I'm trying to help my friend who recently is now even more broke because of the recent travelling spirit and bunny mask. But it's just so hard. I'm not sure if he would be interested in a rose cape. But what about any future event cosmetics that he may want?
It's just so sad to see a game that I would recommend to people that like to relax and play casually turn into something like this.
Why are they trying to encourage people to spend more money on their game when they already make most good cosmetics in app purchases anyway? Can't they let go one of their good designs for us casuals to enjoy?
I want to add something - the crazy thing about the candle economy in sky is that the best way to conserve candles and save is to not make and especially not upgrade friendships. That is just really crazytown for a game that supposedly about making friends and connections with people first and foremost. I think if TGC wants to continue to price things as they do then the friendship tree prices really need to go back to the way they used to be.
When I started playing sky is 2020 i never had candles then either because i was constantly making new friends but once i stopped that I was able to start saving finally. It’s pretty sad tbh 😢
I used to buy every IGC item there was because I like collecting but now I'll be choosing the ones I really like cause it's getting SO expensive 😭
Exactly 😭
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS
How are we supposed to upgrade on friendships, share hearts and finish constellations (all being the main point of the game) if they're pricing in-game items so high?? Over a 100 candles an item? For what? So players feel forced to rush and buy candles in the store to be able to afford all these annual cosmetics? And what about travelling spirits showing up randomly? How are we supposed to know when to save candles? I try to play daily, get a minimum of 5 candles in a day just so i can have a steady candle count and also because i have grinded everyday in the past and i was this close👌🏼 to deleting the game because of burnout and annoyance. If they want to price everything to high, then make candle farming more productive and rewarding!!! Like with the bonfire in Forest, why did they change that? It was nice to have the bonfire giving off some candle light, where you can sit and idle while passively farming and maybe play some music. But no. Now you have to go and wait to burn some fireballs in order to collect light. Does everything need to be a chore TGC? Can't you just let sky kids sit somewhere for a few hours AFK while they slowly collect some light? I'm studying and working, like a lot of us, and we want to come back home and play a game to have fun and relax, but it seems the only thing to look forward to in Sky is the cosmetics, and if you were too busy in your everyday life to grind, or you just don't have a ton of cash to spend (especially players in weak currency countries), well sucks for you!! It's just expensive dress-up now. It's not inclusive and it's making players bitter.
Some recommendations to make the game less infuriating:
1. Give more idle candle farming spots, and make the players able to collect even if afk
2. Increasing the value of candle light. The feature they put in with the candle light value going down with every 5 candles was great, but i feel theycan upgrade it a bit. Why not make it 15, 10, then 5? If you play to complete your daily candle notches or whatever, that's 30 candles to the 15 now!!! A lot more rewarding!!
3. Stop👏making👏small👏candle👏bunches👏 Like in the remembrance map, so many little candles spread all around, taking time to light and collect. Just make it one big candle cake for crying out loud!!!
4. More candles everywhere, and darkness to burn, especially candle cakes. Especially in the main maps. It's tedious to travel to Sanctuary and the Isle cave challenges to collect.
5. Maybe have extra challenges daily for normal candles? Like aside from seasonal, just have 5+ optional challenges to complete everyday regardless of Seasons.
6. The easiest: just cut all the cosmetic prices to like max 70 candles each?
Sorry for the rant. i'm bitter and upset
GOSH this game is so stressing rn. I'm sitting at a solid 40 candles at the moment. After I buy the bunny mask, I'm gonna have to grind every day in order for me to be ready for Days of Bloom. I REALLY want the rose wings, and the pink flower wings. Hopefully I'll be able to get them both. Thank you for bringing attention to the economy of Sky! I've been playing since Season of Aurora and I've only just now gotten into the grinding phase.
THANK YOU FOR THIS! 🥰 This was so refreshing to hear you say these things. Please make more! It's validation that it's not my imagination and I'm not alone in feeling sad about the direction TGC has gone.
My favorite part is where you talked about them saying what Sky is about, yet, in practice it's really not now. Sky is first and foremost a BUSINESS. They are in this to make money. I noticed the price increases (and a change in the compassion and etiquette of the community) when it released on Switch, and when they collaborated for The Little Prince. Now they have expanded their platforms and there was the Season of Aurora -- which I'm sure cost them a pretty penny. For all the virtue signaling of TGC's mission statements amd Aurora's songs, they aren't in business for free. It takes money to pay the bills.
HOWEVER, they should be up front about this. I have firmly believed they are increasing the prices to force people to purchase candle packs. To think I used to think I payed too much playing Pokémon Go! 🤣
You CAN'T relax in Sky anymore. You HAVE to candle grind to afford everything. How can the new players possiblynsave up enough wothout spending unhealthy amounts of time candle grinding -- when they don't know enough yet to have an efficient candle grinding path?!
They claim to care about people's mental health and community, but they are killing that are every turn.
My heart is breaking for the Sky I used to know. I don't know how to fix this, but, all we can do is politely share our concerns with TGC and boycott these outrageous prices.
They will follow the money. If the community refuses to pay these prices, amd if we leaventhe game for a time, then the prices will come down as players leave their product for others.
I want it to go back to a time where we could afford to sit around and just relax and visit. How often do you see people sitting around playing their instruments fornpeople now? Instead, they do memory candles for hearts. There is no sitting down and making friends now. No one has the time, akd everyone wants payment bc things are so expensive.
Sky is moving in the wrong direction.
I'd definitely want to hear more of your thoughts on skys economy
Thank you so much for saying this, NM... Like, it really means a lot to me you of all people share these frustrations and feel hurt from the changes too. It's so hard to share criticism about this game without immediately being shut down in the server with "send it to feedback", despite TGC giving us the feeling they don't rlly look at feedback anymore. I love this game! I want it to get better and more accessible to everyone! But the way things are going now just makes me want to drop the game all together.
If you were to make a video about Sky's economics, I'd really appreciate it 🧡 I think it'd be a good video to put out there and have a discussion over!
Either way, thanks again for making this video!
Alright, TGC back to making the IGC items so expensive and doubling up the prices, like cmon, I get that certain items can be expensive with candles and hearts (like the ones from Little Prince and Aurora Seasons) but this is unreasonably expensive.
I wonder if we could have hairpin for each type of flower
Thatd be adorable
@@nastymold yeahhh
I'm glad you came out and said something. Influencers are the most likely to be listened to, and I've only been playing a few months and already the game feels like a grind. I'm lucky to have a RL friend to play with regularly, so I didn't know about the commodification of friendships in sky. But that's a big red flag, and TGC needs to pay attention. Between price hikes, and candle farming methods being taken away, I can't see this getting any better. We might not have to get every single item, but once you've gone through eden, what else is there to do besides collect items? Dressup IS sky's longterm playability/game mechanic. And they're sucking the life out of it with these changes... Pretty soon the only people who play sky are going to be addicts, and that's not a good way to have a thriving game community. Scary to think about that when Sky is supposed to be a social game...
It's so much true... earlier i used to do hard candle run along with doing fun with friends....then i start to preparing for exam now i have to choose if i want 10-15 candles or fun with friend... like I don't want to miss any cosmetic but i miss flying with friends now sky feels like a job to me of collecting candles ...which I've to complete everyday
The price makes me feel like i can't play game with pure fun and forced into a candle race everyday ://
Yes, please talk about the Sky Economy! I too have my personal Nit-picks and grievances with the system in place as well as the changes they made.
I’ve started playing Sky when Season of the Little Prince was about to come out. So I was a new and late lil Moff! I learned that if you hold on to your Seasonal Candles, they add to your Main Candles after the season ends. I found that useful and started grinding so I could afford to unlock Cosmetics I found appealing to me! Then I learned about Traveling Spirits, and oh boy am I cautious with how I spend my Candles.
Then I learned about how Important Ascending Candles are for the Wing Buffs as well as unlocking the Second Tiers of the Tier Trees of Spirits.
Already, I was annoyed with the tree from the beginning. I do not like that I have to unlock cosmetics I don’t want in order to buy the ones I do want. To me, it wastes the candles I have spent so much time collecting. I don’t even go on Candle Runs all that much anymore because of how repetitive it is and I would take long breaks because of them.
Now, while the Normal Candles, Seasonal Candles, and Ascended Candles especially are much easier to collect, my major gripe with the Hearts continues to grow!
Those are the hardest currency to collect in the game due to a multitude of things: 1 Trade with a friend per Day, Cosmetics or Items I don’t want blocking the second tier of Trees that cost 30 or more hearts; keeping me from getting the second Wing Buff, by far the slowest to collect.
While I’m glade the TS have hearts we can purchase while Seasonal Guides give us some for free during the season, it still bogles my mind that they are just so tiring to collect!
I really hope they can give us a better and faster way to collect this currency and fix the prices so everyone gets a chance to buy what they want. Honestly, drop the Tree and let us have the freedom to choose!
oh yeah... the tree system is really annoying sometimes! this game is getting more and more repetitive lately. many friends are barely playing again
YESS I AGREE! The tree system is the worst. I don’t want to spend my precious candles unlocking cosmetics or spells i don’t want or need. Especially when they place the better ones all the way at the top where it’s blocker by multiple spells
@@arian_motta It's so sad to see as this game has a lot to offer!
@@DulyDullahan Oh Dear that is even worse!!! Like that Blue Cape you can get from the Praying Acolyte (I believe), I want that cape so badly because it is blue and is more fancy, but it costs 70 Hearts!! 😞
😭😭😭 Oh no the "inflation" is even catching up in the game...
Jokes aside i do see a lot of people are really saying the igcp items are hiked up since the end of last year. Im not much to know the comparison huhuhu i do believe its expensive. Know its hard to grind these days.
I would love an in depth video with critique and solutions for tgc. I’m so frustrated with them at this point
this is half the reason why i stopped playing sky. i joined during the season of lightseekers, and my first actual season was belonging, and i loved it so much. i think it was after the season of flight was my last season, after skipping some and only being half there for abyss. i just got sick of it i think, cause it turned into trying to desperately grind candles for insanely expensive things i never really wore and cause a bunch of friends were doing the same i never really hung out anymore. i remember early on spending hours sitting around chatting with people and trying to translate the seven different languages that the conversation was in and making really shitty bands with random people and joining chains of strangers and running the entire game and now its just kinda not there anymore :/
it will still always be one of my favourite games (i dont have any sort of console or a functioning computer so im limited lol), but at this point its kinda getting ridiculous
I joined during belonging, so right there with you 😕
Absolutely, please make that economy rant video, Nasty. It is incredibly disheartening to see TGC's pricing changes; for a game that prides itself on social connection, it increasingly seems that spending $$$ (both in game and real) is their priority. As an older player I can easily keep up with the costs of new IGC items, but most do not have that luxury. One can argue for inflation, too, but when prices rise, salaries (ie. the amount of candles one can get in a day) should also increase. It's especially disappointing that the AFK wax places are now being removed. I remember when they were touted as a new way to play Sky without the candle grind - to focus on having fun with friends! Now it seems every new item is more expensive, it's harder to get a full 20 candles, and it feels very pressuring for those who want to get the IGC items but don't have the ability to save for everything. TGC might want to sell more candle packs - as that is the goal of these restrictive changes - but this desire is choking the entire community.
Please don't be afraid to make more critical videos of TGC. Your audience may come from the game, but you are not beholden to TGC, and as a prominent member of the community, you act as a voice for us all. Practicing kindness and compassion can still be done while criticizing parts of the game that don't serve the players - in fact, acting as a voice (and also catharsis: saying I feel this too) is key, and I for one would be very grateful to you for this service. Thank you, Nastymold.
I started this game during the Season of Aurora, and I haven't stopped playing since; but I've noticed this pattern in many F2P games: Once they start making IGC harder to get, to the point where you have to buy said currency in order to purchase purposefully inflated (currency wise) cosmetics that are not locked behind some form of subscription, that's when I know it's time to leave. Or consider leaving in the near future if change is not made. Which sucks, because this game is so wholesome and I would miss my little Skyling.
you know its serious when nastymold calls out tgc
I'm sorry- 120 for the cape I just saw I want, and 100- ARE THEY NUTS?? Not everyone has time to do a daily grind, even with dragon going on, there's only so much of that wax you can get. let's not forget, the Traveling spirits that have been coming home costing between 120-200+ candles. Thriller was 125- what's next a 100-200 or more TS? Namely around Blooms?
I'm tired of having to get on, grind out my candles, just to make sure I'm on a comfy cushion for an expensive item. Trying to keep up - is already discouraging. 'Make sure you got 100+ for days of fortune, but also have a TS, but also prep for the next event, oopsies haha another spendy TS-' knock that off. It's getting annoying.
May they lower teh dang price but that's a SPIKE on pricing. 15 normal candles for the spells, 5 each is always the usual. Then 70 for the cherry, add 105, that's 175. Add 125, thats' 300 for just the capes. then for the prop, that's a total of 400 CANDLES for the capes AND prop.. absurd. Now add the spells, the 15, that's 415 total. And that's depending on if there's a traveling spirit during blooms and how spendy they'll be, and if you'll need to quickly grind out more candles for that TS, if it's a wanted one. Then it becomes 400+.
Yeah I also noticed the change.. I started playing in the season of enchantment and ended after Sanctuary, the daily grind was just so much, I'd find myself loging in ONLY to grind. I remember when I started veteran were much more generous, I did my first eden solo and a sweet vet just befriended me when they saw the struggle and held me end through it all :') After burning out I left and only came back for Aurora, but seeing the price of even the seasonnal candle outfits made me loose all want to play (you could barely get an Aurora Cosmetic unless you grind seasonals for 2 weeks!! ) Made me give up... I started playing the new season on a whim but the grind is wearing in. As a vet now I don't bother doing Eden unless I need to, and usually I'm in a hurry cause I want to make a candle run, so I don'T really wait to help new players... it's a shame because making all so expesive means you can't really be casual if you want any new "rewards" (the cosmetics), it's go big or go home... I really hurt for the new players who get thrown in that rat race :( I wish the in game cosmetics were less pricey, if I want(or can afford) to give the developer money there's the special, in app purchase cosmetic. I'd feel more inclined if it meant at least I can realistically grind the in game cosmetics, but the way I see it I can't get the "free" ones, why would I spend money on the special, costly ones?
Thank you for this video! I would love another one where you talk about this more in depth. I have two jobs and don’t make enough to save money, because teachers in my country aren’t particularly well paid. So I’m already exhausted from working from 9 to 21 practically every day. I live alone, so I have to clean my house, do the groceries, wash my clothes etc. by myself. To open Sky to try to relax and see that at this point I have do the same that I do in real life (i.e. grind just to barely make ends meet) is quite absurd. I understand they need ways to make money, but with the amount of players I would assume the Season Passes and the IAP items would cover that. Why make IGC items so expensive? My best friend quit the game for this reason…
we'd definitely like to see another rant! it's refreshing to hear someone who is really important to this community talk about its' problems, perhaps we can get some change this way
please, i beg you, you've got a voice in the community. Do an economy video about Sky in the future so that our voices could be heard louder. ;;
I agree with you..
Most of the time I'm just kidding, calling Nasty "Sky's Princess" but honestly she can become more than that. Nastymold if you're reading this, please be our voices, be the real Community Manager we love, trust and need.. 💕
Can't express how much it matters that you, essentially the most popular Sky creator, is speaking up about how extremely annoying it is that there seems to be a constant candle inflation ongoing. It gets more and more frustrating each time a new overly expensive cosmetic is released.
ive started since the middle of season of aurora and i already agree with your rant in the video. like- everything’s just become so expensive now. these prices either force us to 1. candle run and spend our time and energy to get only 20 or less candles, just be be tired and burned out, or 2. pay up to get 60 or so of those things. ive tried to focus less on gathering cosmetics and dressing up, because ive met some really cool and kind people on here and ive even found some comfort characters in sky (spirits) that i really love, to the point where i want them to come as ts not because i want their cosmetics, but because i want to see them again, give them candles to make them happy, etc. is that weird? but i feel like sky should be that way, social and more focused on healthy relationships. not just- grinding every single day.
FURTHERMORE, im sure everyone understands we have more things than sky to deal with in life. candle-running is already tiring enough. what more school? what more work? what more other commitments that may be just as, or even more draining than this? i dont think theyre listening to us enough. or maybe they understand us, but theyre taking advantage of this and using our tiredness to force us to buy candle packs to keep up with things. “oh, you dont have enough candles for this ts? well too bad, gotta go buy a bunch of candles that youll spend up immediately or give us your precious time and energy!”
im mad. more than a little mad. but for the awesome characters and those few cool people out there, who dont care so much about cosmetics and items and candles, ill stay.
Thank you for speaking up about how ridiculous sky has been changing. And not just supporting everything TGC does. Sky has become to cluttered with memory candles, boat notes etc. And it's only gonna get worse with this new shared space spell. Please please please help us get TGC to stop ruining sky!
I’m a new-ish player (around 5 months) and with the arrival of Days of Fortune I’ve really experienced FOMO. No, I don’t HAVE to get all the masks from past years, but the social hierarchy of Sky makes me feel like I need to cr every day just to get the bare minimum of items. As an example, I recently bought the Ox mask for 50-60 candles, missing out on this year’s mask. I don’t have enough candles to afford the rabbit mask as well as the travelling spirit’s items that’s coming soon. You’ve addressed this really well, Nastymold. Thanks for bringing awareness to this exploitation of people’s time and money.
Tbh I just don't get inflation, cause if you raise the price, less people can buy, but if you lower the price, more people can buy. It sounds so simple and yet TGC just...doesn't get it for some reason..
What’s also bad is that there seems to be this elitist mindset now with cosmetics like I’ve seen and met people who won’t friend or talk to you if you don’t look like a ikeman or ikejou or veteran
Definitely, PLEASE make a video on the economy of Sky. People need to know.
I actually really enjoy hearing rants! I think it's always good to say good and bad things about stuff you love. Will be looking forward to the Sky economy video because yeah.. things have changed..
Yeah TGC, at this point, is definitely relying on FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) and they're hoping to sucker people into buying candle packs.
They're becoming just as slimy as other apps that basically use Pay-To-Win mechanics.
even tho tcg built a community that is so unique and welcoming, less and less the game is about the social aspect of it. i just log on, grind as many candles as i can, sometimes i happen to make friends while farming, then that's it time to log off. we'll exchange hearts without ever seeing eo again, done. mostly i just want the items so i can make cute ocs and hang out with my friends, but crs and keeping up with timed events for candles consumes so much time i barely get to actually be with them. then if that isnt an economy rant by itself, theres the overseas pricing problem i rarely see people mentioning. tcg prices are straight up UNFAIR if youre not american, they just "translated" the currency value to other countries and called it a day, not knowing the american dolar is expensive as hell. so sometimes you dont even get to enjoy the same items as other people not because you didnt have time, but because an adventure pass or idk an UMBRELLA is five times more expensive to you than to others :/
Hey Nasty, you're like that one friend that stayed to me since I started playing sky. You're always there with your videos and made sky a little bit less lonely these days. A lot of friendships have moved on now.
I appreciate you so much.
Thanks for chatting about this. It made me feel not so alone. I've been playing for a year now and started during a really terrible experience with COVID and being bed-bound. I found Sky on Pinterest of all places! I fell in love with the beautiful game and it got me out of my head during the sickest time of my life. Over the last year, I've noticed the price increases and it makes me so sad to see that the game that helped me so much - and probably many others - has become a bit cumbersome to take part in. I hope TGC hears us. I'd even be okay with less number of cosmetics if it meant lower prices - in candles and IAP so that we could all participate. Hugs to all the sky kids out there feeling this way too.
I'm glad you said something, I joined during shattering and I just recently have been able to reach the goal of 400 candles for the first time in the game. And Aurora really kept me in the single digits, I literally had half a candle on multiple occasions because of it and TS. I absolutely love the game and play it every day, but now I only hop on to cr and I miss the times where I didn't know much about the huge amount of candles needed for everything because I was actually able to sit back make friends and just enjoy the game. So many of my friends are taking a break from sky because all the gameplay is cr now and it really is tiring. It's no longer a game about community if all your players are just cr when they get on. I love the cosmetics because they make each player unique and it's an amazing way of expression, but it sucks when that's the driving force of the game. Especially when it's originally a beautiful game with an amazing community where communication and friendship is worked hard for and made to be more rewarding and intimate. I already found it hard to keep up and I can't imagine how it is for the moths I adopt to do the same. Something needs to change or they'll end up losing so many players and destroy the potential for gaining new ones. And don't get me started on IAP, they are incredibly overpriced for what they are. I mean $14+ dollars on any game cosmetics is crazy to me.
"It's no longer a game about community if all your players are just cr when they get on" YES! 100% agree with you!
I agree! Everything is so expensive. 😔 I just started with Season of Aurora, and the grind has been ridiculous. I loveee the game so much so it makes me sad to see these prices. It seems like they just want you to spend real money if you want to be able to get all the seasonal items, which seems so wrong to me. 😔
Thank you for bringing this up! Love your videos! They're my daily dose of comfort. ☺️💕
I started at the playstation launch and have been grinding everyday to keep up with all these events and cosmetics! I'm eager to collect items since I have basically nothing. I do a full candle run everyday including geyser, grandma, and turtle. It's fun, but exhausting. I was disappointed when I didn't have time to earn enough candles to purchase the 200 candle outfit from the Aurora spirit :') Since the season was basically half over when it launched on PS. Overall, I still love the game and enjoy playing!
This just feels like we are getting too many expensive days of ____ in a short time. Days of feast snowman was 120, the new rabbit mask is 66(?) which is more reasonable, days of love wedding arch is like 100, and now this 120 and 100 for days of bloom! And not to mention season of Aurora with the 200 pants and like 50 mask!
I don't really mind the ocational expensive item as long as the price feels right. for example, the snowman had a cool function, so it felt fair. But the wedding arch is way too pricey for what it is.
All these things have been back to back, leaving no time to breathe in-between (and that's not even taking into account for travelling spirits)
God, I'm definitely going to burn from these prices, I still can't move away after the aurora season with this suit, which cost 200 candles, and here 220 is terrible, I hope they will change the prices, sorry if I misspelled, I'm just from Russia and I don't know English very well so I use a translator
Oh I thought this was a recent video. Gotta be real. Here in 2024? End of 2024, with season of moomin but really my... 3rd or 4th Halloween Event? It just got exhausting. I can be called lazy, but while TGC has made efforts to expand the game, and I appreciate that, that same cosmetics-focused sentiment still rings in my ears. Constantly.
I think it started when TGC took on a buncha collaborations. Idk where the thought for all these collabs back to back (nearly) came from.
I agree so heavily. Because the wax changes were made for veterans to feel like candle running is easier. But now as prices increase, the candle running repetition that made veterans stop candle running is back. How am I supposed to enjoy candle running again when I realize I need to start running to the max candles everyday like three weeks before items go out of stock ( I'm missing out on the purple cape from days of bloom so to get everything I need around 320 candles).
I know the prices aren't final, but time to grind for that rose cape. I'm gonna get it. Also I don't care how many of you say it's a tulip cape, I don't care if it actually is a tulip cape. It's red, it's a rose. Let me have this.
Sky has become so money-orientated lately. Everything is too expensive that it seems impossible to have anything left to spare.
I remember in the earlier seasons, after completing a season before it ends while people are still able to collect seasonal candles, during those spare days I would be able to collect well and truly over 100 seasonal candles. Now I feel like I cannot get as many because there isn’t as much time left at the end. Just this current season, the second node in a spirit I was collecting was 30 seasonal candles! That should be one of the last nodes in the spirit tree! It’s way too expensive now.
Even items priced with real money is just WAY too expensive. In my currency, some items are priced at $45… way too much money to spend on a game on a single item.
I don’t really understand this, TGC is getting more money with all the new people joining, meaning more things will be bought. So why raise the prices? They are just getting the community upset and are pushing more people to leave/ stop playing the game. TGC should leave the prices of both in game currency items and real money items to be cheap! It makes Sky a lot more fun and less stressful.
Ty!! Its crazy, cr takes alot of hours to complete and u need to grind alot as a collector so barely have time to just chill and hang out w friends n enjoy the game. It overwhelms me & I always get the “everything or nothing” mindset bc of this.
Would love to see the economy video you’re going to make!
Thank u for bringing this up I’m sure TGC rly values ur opinion. I’ve been feeling the same way especially cus I’ve only been playing for one year so I don’t even have a single bloom cape and it’s going to be just impossible to ever catch up. AFK farming is gone and I max have time to play Sky for ONE HOUR a day, if at all. I have classes, work, friends, hobbies-a normal life! I want to enjoy sky, I want the cosmetics, I want to play with my friends, but during my one hour I normally CR and get less than 10 candles and talk to a couple friends very briefly. I CANT AFFORD ANYTHING and I don’t want to buy candles bc I don’t have a lot of money. I’m just a broke college student trying to travel the world it’s like TGC is making me pick one. Why cant I just enjoy both… :(
I agree with you nasty, don't apologize about the rant, I think you should make another video like this one. Prices have been crazy lately for both IGC and IAP items. I had 545 candles before the fortune event, dropped below 200 and now I'm struggling again...
I had a 1000+ candles and dropped all the way down to 450 when I became too burned out to CR during Aurora.... that's insane. I spend a whole year getting that together.
So I started playing sky just at the end of the season of flight (dec 2, 2021). I found it difficult but manageable to keep up with the events and season of abyss and shattering. Aurora was waaaay harder to keep up with and so far this season seems more relaxed like abyss. I managed to get the past year event cosmetics this time for days of fortune (first time I only could get one mask) but I went from 405 candles down to 100 candles so fast from aurora and then feast (couldn't get the table this year) and now fortune. I candle run until I hit grey and sometimes I'll even do more to get one extra candle. The only way to keep up for free to play players is to skip certain items and be picky with travelling spirits. After a year of playing I thought I'd have some savings of candles but everything was so expensive from feast. In the summer I almost had 800 candles (lack of events/cheaper events and all the extra wax locations from events). I'm now almost back up to 200 candles but seriously grinding every day for a year and I am just managing okay I don't know how anyone who is new would even begin to catch up without buying candle packs (which imo are way overpriced too - in canada even more than usd.) I don't even buy a lot of in game stuff and have been so fortunate to have received some items as gifts from friends out of the goodness of their hearts :') The wonderment of sky has slightly died as they continue making items cost upwards of 100 candles PER ITEM. It's just really not feasible. I would like to see a video talking about the economy of sky from you! I look to you for content that I can trust and as much feedback as we give we don't seem to be heard even as beta testers (where we are supposed to have feedback heard regarding bugs etc before things go to live - it just feels like a test run before they shove update from beta, bugs and all, to live instead of fixing them and then updating to the most fixed version).
Yeah i kind of agree with you. I also do miss the old sky where me and my friends would go online not exactly do just candle run but to actually hang around and do whatever. Now i just mostly go online to do daily quest.
Nasty thank you!
This is bugging me and my friend for a long time by now, and I’m so glad that’s other are speaking about this!
It’s so sad to see this, I know you’ve been playing way longer but, I’ve been here for 2 years and the change is insane. I would say it started around assembly, at least for me. I don’t even know why they started to do this? I’m sorry, I just don’t even know where to start:,)
Edit: Also do you guys know about the art theft situation?
In short, sky has took stuff from a a fanartist, claim in their TOS they can do that, and apparently done that multiple times and never apologized and ignored any person talking about this.