2012 VS 2020 Tesla Model S: How Much Has the Model S Improved in 9 Years?

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  • In this video we detail just how much the Tesla Model S has improved in the 9 years since it was first made in 2012.
    2012 (1), 2013 (2), 2014 (3), 2015 (4), 2016 (5), 2017 (6), 2018 (7), 2019 (8), 2020 (9) - 9 Model Years.
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  • @miken4591
    @miken4591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +811

    The prices are not adjusted for inflation, so the 2020 version is actually cheaper.

    • @superdau
      @superdau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Inflation is mentioned in the video.

    • @darrensager2516
      @darrensager2516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Technology costs get less expensive over time. They don't increase unless a newer technology replaces them. Hence the reason why the Model 3 has become an even better value than the S.

    • @miken4591
      @miken4591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@darrensager2516 - the 2020 Model S should be significantly better than the Mod 3 to justify the premium.

    • @darrensager2516
      @darrensager2516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@miken4591 , it is. Materials used are better. Suspension better. Utility better. Performance better. Fit and Finish better. Exclusivity better. Not much difference between Mercedes S Class and E Class yet big price difference & status between the two. Same between Model S and 3. Model S will X will always be premium (as long as Elon continues to build them). I do think, after this amount of time, they need to update the vehicle. 8 years a long time for a vehicle in the automotive world.

    • @miken4591
      @miken4591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@darrensager2516 - when the auto world "updates" it generally means a small change in looks or size. Elon has said that Model S/X changes will be minor in terms of looks - like the 911. The tech changes have been huge and the 2020 Raven will hopefully be incredible.

  • @klauskaan6320
    @klauskaan6320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +743

    thanks for adding metric units

    • @MrFilipas
      @MrFilipas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      hell yes

    • @F_Horst
      @F_Horst 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      “(Rest of the earth)”

    • @ericimi
      @ericimi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Freedom units would have been fine .

    • @davidhorinek
      @davidhorinek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah. Metric units should be the standard across the world.:/

    • @firkinflamer8604
      @firkinflamer8604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidhorinek Yup

  • @andrewdiamond2697
    @andrewdiamond2697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +554

    But wait, there's more.
    2012 had no parking sensors - 2020 does
    2012 had central TPMS that would just say "tire pressure low" without indicating which tire or how much, 2020 shows all 4 corners
    2012 had Gen 1 seats, 2020 has "Gen after NextGen seats" - way more comfortable
    2012 didn't have traffic-aware cruise control, or lane-keeping (basic autopilot), 2020 has that and way more
    2012 didn't have automatically closing charge port door, 2020 does
    2012 didn't have lighted vanity mirrors
    2012 had integrated headrests, 2020 has adjustable headrests
    2012 didn't have a console on the floor between the front two seats, 2020 does.
    2012 didn't have under battery ceramic armor plating (though it was added later), 2020 does
    2012 had a max charging rate of 120 kW, 2020 has a max charging rate of 200 kW
    2012 has 3G data connectivity with MCU1 hardware for the infotainment (center) screen, 2015 has LTE data and a faster MCU.
    edit: 2012 had no biohazard air filtration - 2020 does. (hat tip to scott cheney)
    I'm sure I left some things off.
    The only things that were better in 2012 was color choice (brown, green, silver, dolphin grey, signature red) and the option to get a panorama roof that opened.

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Thank you! This list is helpful.

    • @TsarOfRuss
      @TsarOfRuss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I will just assume you have a Tesla Model S or you work at Tesla, you gave too much details even more than the video

    • @biachboy
      @biachboy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Still no doorbins...

    • @andrewdiamond2697
      @andrewdiamond2697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Dimmet Gloomcap All Teslas got dog mode around a year ago or so, as an over-the-air software updated, going back to the 2012 Model S.

    • @andrewdiamond2697
      @andrewdiamond2697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TsarOfRuss Yes, I have a 2013 Model S, and have been paying attention to most of the changes over the years. Thanks.

  • @AskJonJong
    @AskJonJong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I'm blessed to own a model s. Most amazing versatile car ever. Love how it looks good but not flashy and gives me a sleeper supercar feel everytime. Definitely will be repeat buyer.

    • @cesarforte617
      @cesarforte617 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice your comment makes me want one

    • @rgtidemann
      @rgtidemann 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am with you Jonathan. I have a Raven Model S Standard Range and it is such a great car I’m looking forward to the Plaid version in a year or two.

    • @Theoneandonly88able
      @Theoneandonly88able 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's because you can't drive properly.

    • @Theoneandonly88able
      @Theoneandonly88able 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Neel Javia What does that have to do with my comment? I'm saying he needs a Tesla to assist him with driving properly. A competent driver doesn't need AI assistance to help them maneuver the road.

    • @Theoneandonly88able
      @Theoneandonly88able 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Neel Javia He can't drive properly that's why.

  • @andromeda9340
    @andromeda9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    It's crazy how no cars today still can't compete with the first gen model s.

    • @JackoBanon1
      @JackoBanon1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Because nobody believed in it in 2012.
      Other manufacturers were laughing about it. Today nobody of them laughs anymore.

    • @andromeda9340
      @andromeda9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JackoBanon1 facts.its the car that broke the spell :)

    • @Frost517
      @Frost517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      JackoBanon1 lmfao. model s today is still a crappy interior low range long recharge inconvenient luxury items for rich loser liberals who created and lost to trump of all people. lmfao

    • @sidwangkhem5784
      @sidwangkhem5784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JackoBanon1 Yeah but I seriously hope they will be able to keep the momentum

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The first gen Model S had 60 *and limited to 40 kWh battery pack or a 85 kWh pack.
      The Model S 60 kWh had 6.5 sec 0-60 and did go max speed 110 mph (or lower than 120 different sources). Not that great.
      The base Tesla 85 had 5.4 sec 0-60 time
      The fastest Tesla in 2012 was a P85 or P85+ with 4.2 0-60 mph

  • @edu2857
    @edu2857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    impressive how much efficiency they have gained. The price going down and the specs going up. Yet all you hear is the doom of lower average selling prices. they maintain margin the whole way down.

    • @MrMduchesne23
      @MrMduchesne23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      look how the 2012 Performance 85 - is slower than a model 3 dual motor awd.

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@MrMduchesne23 The 2012 P85 was a single motor RWD car. The D (awd versions) came in 2014 .... The P85D from 2014 had 3.4 sec 0-60
      The normal rwd 85 had 4.6 sec 0-60 and Tesla S model 40 had 6.5 (or 6.7) sec 0-60 with max speed 110 mph
      There were 5 variants of model S with 85 kWh battery
      85, P85, P85+, 85D and P85D
      Tesla Model 3 is 500 kg or 1100 lbs lighter than the Model S and in base model it has 50 kWh battery pack and AWD Performance has 75 kWh battery pack. No wonder it is faster - it's smaller and 25% lighter.

    • @MrMduchesne23
      @MrMduchesne23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wyrazowfkp I know. The point I was trying to make was the world-shattering fastest car Tesla made back in the day 2012-2013, is now slower than an awd Tesla Model 3 - non-performance. Something that is far more in reach financially for people compared to the original Model S when new. The tech has improved that much in less than 10 years.

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrMduchesne23 Oh c'mon. Model 3 is half ton (or 1000 lbs) lighter than the Model S.
      The 3 AWD is 4.4 or 4.6 0-60 with 75 kWh battery pack ....
      AWD Sport Mode Option is 4.0 or 3.9
      AWD Performance is 3.2 or 3.4 ....
      Normal long range (rwd) with the same pack (75 kWh) gets 0-60 in 5 seconds. But all this electric power does not matter in the top speed departament - in acceleration it does good :D They are quite slow and overheat when driven fast ...

    • @MrMduchesne23
      @MrMduchesne23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wyrazowfkp It's starting to feel like I'm trolling you LOL. yes yes, you're right about those numbers. I haven't seen anyone overheat a performance model 3 yet but Tesla does reduce power output quite a bit after 60% State of Charge.

  • @mltiago
    @mltiago 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Thank you for considering the metric system.

  • @teslatruck6697
    @teslatruck6697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    It's game over when I'm released

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      For sure - the Cybertruck is going to be amazing!

    • @TheCardinal365
      @TheCardinal365 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Love my Model 3 but will be happy to trade it in for the Cybertruck, that thing is a weapon.

    • @ayushmalpeddi2793
      @ayushmalpeddi2793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can only one person have that username?

    • @leonel9110
      @leonel9110 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the roadster

    • @EllTheBob
      @EllTheBob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cyber Truck *

  • @shepherdsknoll8
    @shepherdsknoll8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    The bottom line : the EV Mustang has something like 6 different operating systems and screens. The VW id3 has the first 20,000 productions models sitting on a lot with “massive software problems “. The new SUV Mercedes’ Introduction has been pushed back an additional year. OEMs are learning that you cannot just put an electric motor and batteries in a frame and make EVs. Tesla is a fully integrated computer on four wheels, made by the best engineers in Silicon Valley.

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Well said!

    • @SirHackaL0t.
      @SirHackaL0t. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We need a video of the ID3 issues

    • @davorniksic9288
      @davorniksic9288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Traditional car manufacturers are paying the price for sit&wait game.

    • @b4804514
      @b4804514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@davorniksic9288 We may see some manufacturers crash and burn. for sitting and waiting. Note Sears and Robuck vs Amazon. All we need is for gas to cost $5 a gallon again and stay there a year.

    • @EllTheBob
      @EllTheBob 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      shepherdsknoll8 Tesla built their electric vehicles from the ground up. This allowed them to modernize everything and integrate it with the EV model of cars

  • @okdok3742
    @okdok3742 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    comparing tesla to any other company trying to make electric cars is like comparing stark to hammer

    • @JayPatel-ug1nh
      @JayPatel-ug1nh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha, that's so true!😂

    • @incognitotorpedo42
      @incognitotorpedo42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      MC Hammer?

    • @mvansumeren4313
      @mvansumeren4313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@incognitotorpedo42 You can't touch this.

    • @intruder313
      @intruder313 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except the Porsche Taygan is considered the absolute best electric car car I believe.

    • @okdok3742
      @okdok3742 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@intruder313 ur trolling right??
      the taygan is not even close to being the best electric car. like i said, comparing anything other company...not just electric, comparing any other car company to tesla is like comparing hammer to stark. the taygan has less range than a baby who hasnt learned to walk yet.

  • @elyakimlev
    @elyakimlev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    The "competition" is so not coming that the only thing you can compare a Tesla to is to itself.

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      True - Even the 2012 model S hold up to other brand's 2020 models.

    • @g4do
      @g4do 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In the late 90's to early 2000's there was a company called Tilley electric vehicles. This company converted gas cars to electric cars that created more power than it could use and rerouted it back to the batteries. Self charging. They did it with old technology. Here we are parking and charging. They were bought out and dismantled by Exxon. There used to be videos all over the web, news clips, and interviews. They've been wiped out.

    • @theuncalledfor
      @theuncalledfor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@g4do
      That's either an outright lie or just regenerative braking, because perpetual motion machines are _impossible._

    • @chewbubs3533
      @chewbubs3533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@g4do So... a hybrid?

    • @g4do
      @g4do 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theuncalledfor damn you're stupid. Your education makes you dumb. Nothing is impossible when it comes to engineering. Keep your dumb thoughts to yourself

  • @elwingreen8311
    @elwingreen8311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Nice work! Just thought I’d throw in a data point: adjusted for inflation, the 2012’s base price of $79,900 would be $89,266.05 today. So the 2020 non-performance model is effectively more than $9,000 CHEAPER than the 2012 (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ inflation calculator).

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for adding those numbers - I will have to do a similar calculation for future videos.

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How about including the average wages rise too ? www.deptofnumbers.com/income/us/

  • @stocksoul178
    @stocksoul178 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I recently took delivery of my 2020 Model S long range. I love it so much.

  • @TomSeidel
    @TomSeidel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    I clicked like because you included the metric system.

  • @waylonthomas5571
    @waylonthomas5571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, thanks for all of the info

  • @Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit
    @Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As the owner of a 2014 P85 this is really interesting!
    Thanks for taking the trouble👍

  • @divinejusticefeelsgood
    @divinejusticefeelsgood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Comparing 2020 tesla vs 2030 will be like. Tesla is the highest selling car in the world and half of 2020s brand don't exist anymore.

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Tesla will be Chinese brand as is Volvo :D In all those 7,5 years they have produced 816.155 cars (100k per year) ..... In China new electric car sales is more than 1.5 milion supposed this year - just one year sales :D
      cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16626.jpeg

  • @JoshKaufmanstuff
    @JoshKaufmanstuff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video, great information density, keep it up!

  • @markeden767
    @markeden767 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video CW
    I always look forward to your new releases

  • @jeffnreno5080
    @jeffnreno5080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thanks for the great video!

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you - Merry Christmas to you as well.

  • @frcgfd107
    @frcgfd107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was an incredible car in 2012 and will be much more of a groundbreaking vehicle in 2020 and beyond. Great video and I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment!

  • @GoGo-ix2sp
    @GoGo-ix2sp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great info 👍

  • @andygranger3662
    @andygranger3662 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent objective presentation. Good voiceover and comparisons

  • @DsmB2007
    @DsmB2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video...well structured!! Thanks

  • @Albert-xl3nx
    @Albert-xl3nx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They gotta redesign it sometime soon. It’s been 9 years.

    • @pablosoria3197
      @pablosoria3197 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      AL K but still looks pretty good but yes needs a redesign as it will go out of style

  • @vdeconinck
    @vdeconinck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "in the 9 years since it was released". It is just me or... ?
    Model S was first released June 22, 2012 and the video was uploaded December 23, 2019, so it's a time span of exactly 7.5 years...
    Or are you comparing the original to the June 2021 model S ?

    • @louisbarnett6935
      @louisbarnett6935 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      8.5 years you've missed out 2012 in your counting!

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@louisbarnett6935 ? 8 years from june 2012 will be in in june 2020 :)

    • @rallyecars7449
      @rallyecars7449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah the youtuber is just a tesla kiss ass

  • @ConservativeArabNet
    @ConservativeArabNet 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent report

  • @leromerom
    @leromerom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @peppi0304
    @peppi0304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I just realised sth: A model S drives with around 2.11 liters/100 km. THATS INSANELEY EFFICIENT

    • @marcel151
      @marcel151 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did you calculate it?

  • @fishbonestephen
    @fishbonestephen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We've stuck with craply designed cars for donkeys years, Tesla has shook up the motor industry. Great!.

  • @joseontiveros_
    @joseontiveros_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excited about the updates. It feels like a new car every time 🤩

  • @shakalpb1164
    @shakalpb1164 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for showing metric units as well

  • @markyswe
    @markyswe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When the "car talk function" launches, they should hire David Hasselhoff for the promotion ;D

  • @RickyDownhillRDH
    @RickyDownhillRDH 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Imagine how much more advanced they'll be in the next 8 years . . . Tesla vehicles as a whole.

  • @erikandmarcie
    @erikandmarcie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video/job, thank you

  • @Nichen
    @Nichen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My new favourite Tesla-channel.

  • @Rick9482
    @Rick9482 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Video is full of interesting information that I didn't have so congrats from me.
    Truthfully, I still can't get my head around the fact that this startup is building the most desirable (arguably) cars in the world. Watching those Teslas going around the Nuremberg Ring makes me think, "Wait.....this shouldn't be happening, how can a startup do this?".
    It makes me realize the utter contempt for their customers that the ICE automakers must have when you consider what we've been offered in the past and even up to the present day. As an example, any Chrysler sedan. GM could have been the leader in electric, they've had a few tries, but couldn't get past the no maintenance required and subsequent loss of revenue for dealers and the general affect on their ICE vehicles. Their business is maximizing profit "only" or normal business practices. Elon Musk has got the idea in his head that he wants to make a difference in this world and he might just do it!

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ICE auto industry was just ripe for picking for an electric moto company. ICE industry didn't want to invest in batteries, energy, solar, and the whole back end support for electric automobiles.
      I'd compare it to Intel being relaxed with barely pushing out improvements in your CPU space, then AMD came in and snatched the market from them.

    • @normang3668
      @normang3668 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Having been to many auto shows in the last decade, it always amazed how universally lacklustre the modern car market is. . . Each model barely distinguishable from one another, just different enough to create the illusion of giving choice to the consumer.
      People gravitate towards Tesla, simply because they are an interesting car in an otherwise boring market. You can tell there's some actual passion in the design, even with the growing pains they experienced as a company, you can tell Tesla actually gives a damn about giving something worthwhile to their customers.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@normang3668 I also believe that Tesla went all in on EV while the other companies decided to 'stick their toes in' and then decided 'nah, it cost too much to put in power stations, work on good batteries, etc'. Whereas Tesla was like "yeah, we'll do that".

    • @rockwithyou2006
      @rockwithyou2006 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats silicon valley for you

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elon thinks globally, other CEOs only think of themselves/investors.

  • @aidenbagshaw5573
    @aidenbagshaw5573 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just realized: those reverse lights were totally an afterthought in the design.

  • @1943vermork
    @1943vermork 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great analysis

  • @timetravler3arewethereyet639
    @timetravler3arewethereyet639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    a 2012 model s for 24k ...now i can afford the dam thing im buying one real soon.

  • @arthdenton
    @arthdenton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    It's funny when you hear the super-intelligent and well-informed 'analysts and experts' dismissing the Model S as a '2012 car' and therefore obsolete. It's like calling the Ford Mustang a '1967 car' and therefore ancient.

    • @StormyDog
      @StormyDog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Big oil hates Tesla. Traditional car companies hate Tesla. FUD is their game.

    • @matthewswanson2707
      @matthewswanson2707 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      True.

    • @incognitotorpedo42
      @incognitotorpedo42 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      1965 car.

    • @arthdenton
      @arthdenton 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@incognitotorpedo42
      Anakin stirs and stretches, his blue eyes blinking up at me. "Master?"
      "Yes, Padawan?"
      "Do you really *want* to be my Master?"
      I look down at him gravely and tug on his braid. "Yes, my Anakin.
      I really do."

    • @ralphhenderson5276
      @ralphhenderson5276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Their skepticism is literally founded on ignorance.

  • @vv__
    @vv__ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sections:
    2:44 - Performance
    5:00 - Raven update
    5:44 - Range & Efficiency
    6:31 - Cost
    11:18 - Software & Hardware Updates
    11:52 - Future

    • @CanadaCa-ib9us
      @CanadaCa-ib9us 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check this baby out.
      m.th-cam.com/video/09qNBhmGzUo/w-d-xo.html

    • @Nemenis
      @Nemenis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canada. Ca fuck off

  • @TheLukas9922
    @TheLukas9922 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm glad you added normal units!

  • @commandonut
    @commandonut 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid! cheers!

  • @trails3597
    @trails3597 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! And on top of that they are now a profitable company! Wow!

  • @stvboxtvbox3024
    @stvboxtvbox3024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    when my 2015s range suddenly fell by12 miles overnight the service writer told me it was normal. but actually Tesla is being sued in CA for doing this thru their software. deleting range and features via software not cool.

    • @glowing6635
      @glowing6635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They arent deleting range by software. Its like ur phone, the battery drains overnight.

    • @zavier3644
      @zavier3644 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you not charge it or did you mean the highest possible range dropped? I’ve never heard of this lawsuit?

    • @stvboxtvbox3024
      @stvboxtvbox3024 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zavier3644 the highest possible range dropped by software changes from tesla. just like they took away features of the nav display on mine too.

    • @trevinbeattie4888
      @trevinbeattie4888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you sure it’s not just that they tweaked the range prediction for better accuracy, or to add a safety buffer? It could also be that some software changes related to motor control have affected its driving efficiency. It would be interesting to find the root cause(s) for the change in range.

    • @stvboxtvbox3024
      @stvboxtvbox3024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@trevinbeattie4888 yes. i am sure.... and the range accuracy is another problem too. typically the range of 2015 model s is less than projected.

  • @jh1904
    @jh1904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is very informative. Would you also do a video to compare the build quality? It would be great to see how much they have improved in this regard.

  • @VictorECaplon
    @VictorECaplon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for km conversions !

  • @daveriley6310
    @daveriley6310 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Many, probably most, U.S. buyers of the Model S from 2012 through 2018 availed themselves of the full Federal tax credit of $7,500. With California being the dominant market during that period, most buyers had even larger financial incentives. Taken together and viewed as a reduction of the effective purchase price gives a more realistic relative price comparison between 2012 and 2019.

    • @flipadavis
      @flipadavis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JZ-zy5nb But if we also account for inflation then the 2020 model is cheaper than listed if it was converted back to 2012 dollars. Also the standard 100D (non-performance) Model S today at $74,500 and still far outperforms the highest trim performance P85 in 2012. Also the 2020 Tesla comes with AP.

    • @intruder313
      @intruder313 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But that's not a fair comparison as he's comparing the prices that Tesla are charging only - external rebates/credits are outside of their control and vary wildly from country to country.

  • @999subswithoutvideos2
    @999subswithoutvideos2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Meanwhile all new starters to EVs cant even beat the Model S 2012 by range

    • @wyrazowfkp
      @wyrazowfkp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which one ? 40, 60 or 85 kWh models ?

    • @Cloxxki
      @Cloxxki 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's assuming they are actually trying.
      A brand like Mercedes making an actual Model S killer would make a huge loss the first years, for this car alone. No way it can make enough. Customers who wait their turn cost them a sale. Customers who by a Tesla in stead cost them a sale.
      It's a very complicated puzzle and rushing the product bit is not the way you get to see the completing with the brand name still on your building. Much harder to convert from ICEV to BEV than to start a BEV company from scratch.

  • @utk787
    @utk787 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video 👍

  • @Seabee2127
    @Seabee2127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy needs way more subscribers

  • @mp4986
    @mp4986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:00 It's great that there has been constant improvement to the Model S. However, this is nothing unusual and to be expected. I also note that you have not mentioned that the "Performance" model in 2020 is now the P100D, which indicates a stronger battery - 100kWh. So of course it is more powerful and faster.

  • @Skjeggspir
    @Skjeggspir 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    In 2020, the 2012 model costs 20-30.000$ as a used car.

    • @doices9786
      @doices9786 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For a used car that's pretty expensive especially for a used luxury car.

    • @elwingreen8311
      @elwingreen8311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The lowest prices I've seen are upper 20s (today, $27,885), but your point is still a good one. Just within the past couple of days, it occurred to me that once I pay off some debt (target, April 1), I will be able to afford a Model S!

    • @Mrbfgray
      @Mrbfgray 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elwingreen8311 It's such a massive sled tho, unless you are hauling 5 plus folks every week long distances why would you take it over the 3?

    • @elwingreen8311
      @elwingreen8311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mrbfgray 1) Emotional attachment - the Model S became my dream car when it first came out, 2) Styling - I prefer sedans over SUVs, 3) I don't buy new cars, preferring to let depreciation work its magic (I also don't lease cars).

    • @Angry-Lynx
      @Angry-Lynx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mrbfgray better comfort features + air suspension (!!)

  • @jacobbio
    @jacobbio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember being in middle school and seeing a Tesla for the first time. It was silver. And I always told my mom what that car was with the anchor symbol on the front lol

  • @fredrikeksund9839
    @fredrikeksund9839 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for using the metric system!

  • @claudiocadalcoinvestimento3008
    @claudiocadalcoinvestimento3008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I will buy Model S (with all extras), another roadster and a cybertruck... i just love all of these toys. no more ferrari, bmw, audi, mercedez, this is the end of these companies... they dont give us anything better and they ask $$$$ LOADS OF MONEY for junk

    • @meleter8107
      @meleter8107 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree that these cars are amazing. Let's just hope you can find a reliable way to quickly repair all of those cars.

    • @HUNKragor
      @HUNKragor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I still want a 458 spyder tho

  • @briannewman6216
    @briannewman6216 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The gap between Tesla and it's competitors appears to be growing rather than diminishing. It was generally assumed that traditional car manufacturers would close the gap, however, this has yet to happen.
    If this gap continues to grow it is likely that the Tesla shorts will move their attention away from Tesla and instead start to short the traditional car manufacturers.

  • @AndriesduPlessis
    @AndriesduPlessis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Informative comparisons indeed

  • @tonyrome068
    @tonyrome068 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job

  • @axelpersson8214
    @axelpersson8214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In The earlier models you got free-for-life supercharging.
    That's not possible today, right?

    • @mvansumeren4313
      @mvansumeren4313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      S and X are currently available (12/2019) with supercharging included for the first owner.
      Source: Tesla.com

  • @kishorek6027
    @kishorek6027 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    People saying it needs refresh is absolutely wrong. I just bought new model s, it's at another level compared to my BMW X3 from 2 yrs ago.

  • @bonganidavidbaloyi8497
    @bonganidavidbaloyi8497 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much

  • @ActiveDuke
    @ActiveDuke 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is amazing that still no cars can be a match to Tesla. One day I will own two of them, and when I do, I will be very happy to enjoy the best driving experience available today and in the foreseen future. Am also very excited to see the model Y and the truck enter the streets . !!! Great video in all ways

  • @wagnerwong9966
    @wagnerwong9966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What's stopping them from doing a interior refresh? They should save money on less parts on the dash. Charging rates need to be on par or better with Model 3.

    • @OnTheSnap1
      @OnTheSnap1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Wagner Wong my theory is Plaid model S this summer will include the refresh

    • @gzcwnk
      @gzcwnk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      are they not updating the battery to model3 cells?

    • @wagnerwong9966
      @wagnerwong9966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gzcwnk it would require a redesign supposedly to convert to the 3170.
      Maybe battery investor day will drop something huge.

    • @fjalics
      @fjalics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@OnTheSnap1 My theory is you should have used more confident language. The Tesla Model S is known to overheat and slow down when it is raced after a couple of laps. We know the cooling in the Model 3 is better, doesn't overheat, and charges at a higher kw with a smaller pack. There is even a cooling related patent. The purpose of the Roadster is "a hardcore smackdown". Tesla sure looks like they want to make their own cells. One size would be a whole lot more efficient than 2. The 2070 cells are 5mm taller, so more energy. I'll eat my hat if the S pack technology isn't brought up to Model 3 tech, and I'll be surprised if it isn't even better.

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree - I think this will happen as well.

  • @JD-kf2ki
    @JD-kf2ki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    1080p please

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am going to do some equipment upgrades in the new year, This will allow for a quality improvement for sure.

    • @TeenyTinyDevil
      @TeenyTinyDevil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Cleanerwatt next make a video of how cleanerwatt changed ;D

  • @gordontheman6151
    @gordontheman6151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:39 comfort and range is a pretty nice dimension

  • @TheCardinal365
    @TheCardinal365 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing that an EV from 2012 still performs better than most new vehicles today

  • @davidpearn5925
    @davidpearn5925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    A message for legacy manufacturers - be afraid.......be very afraid !

    • @Angry-Lynx
      @Angry-Lynx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Legacy - I love that term for others than Tesla hahaha! ; Because that's what they are, literally whole automobile industry is retarded and don't care much about technology and real advancements, they just improve very little every year, 911 good example, every bmw, audi, merc etc... all technologically obsolete and completely non innovative ;

    • @Cloxxki
      @Cloxxki 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They don't have the luxury of starting from zero with lots of investor and bank money. They need to phase out ICEVs while creating wholly new BEVs. Way harder. Especially with a company to keep afloat. More to do wrong than right. One really appealing BEV in your brand, and the brand is over. As you'd never be able to make enough of them and you'd lose sales to other brands. even loyal customers who'd wait their turn another year would cost you income you NEED.
      Tesla has it easy by comparison. They just got $2B from Fiat-Chrysler, just because of taxation of CO2 emitting machines. The very stuff we exhale more than inhale. The stuff plants and crops grow on.

    • @davidpearn5925
      @davidpearn5925 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cloxxki hahahaha hahahaha

  • @semirsisic3705
    @semirsisic3705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Tesla Model S sets the standard for transport which is the best in the world... It basically pays for itself over time and provides incredibly enjoyable use and function... The choice is very simple for other manufacturers also as Tesla has open sourced it's Patents which is quite generous and influential in the best way... Love Tesla 😆

  • @jumbodogg9253
    @jumbodogg9253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a throwback.

  • @davidasul
    @davidasul 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well Done!

  • @bluebikerathar
    @bluebikerathar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And not to forget , the increase of charging power
    120 - 145 to a stunning 200kW.
    Curious for the plaid version

    • @TheOneG36
      @TheOneG36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Porsche 250-270KW ;)

    • @brandonm30
      @brandonm30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The plaid model s might have a 1000hp given three motors

    • @TheOneG36
      @TheOneG36 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brandonm30 we are talking about charging power not horses, btw. the Porsche accelerates faster and has more horsepower, plaid does matter only when it came out.....
      The Porsche Taycan Turbo S finished the 1/4 mile drag race in 10.69 secs @ 131.6 mph (211.7 km/h) vs. the Tesla Model S crossing the finishing line in 11.08 secs @ 124.0 mph (199.5 km/h). The Taycan also topped the 0-60 mph (2.61 vs. 2.68 secs) and 0-100 mph (6.12 vs. 6.46 secs) times in this drag stretch.

    • @brandonm30
      @brandonm30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOneG36 a plaid prototype that was used at the nurburgring in Germany completed an unofficial lap of 7:13 in no traffic a German car magazine company was there to time the car with a stopwatch

    • @brandonm30
      @brandonm30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So yes the current Porsche taycan has better performance but the upcoming plaid series tesla will Propably be better

  • @jrgenramdahl123
    @jrgenramdahl123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Forgot to mention the biggest and most important update.... The dog mode!

    • @StormyDog
      @StormyDog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      All of us dogs prefer dog mode. Also, when self driving arrives I can take myself to the Dog Park every day!

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True - I was sure to miss one - there are so many good ones!

  • @t-money10
    @t-money10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Still rocking my 2014 p85 with AP1, and 130k, still on the original battery pack, 2nd drive unit

    • @t-money10
      @t-money10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @james braselton never herd of a EV stopping at 130k, Tesla loop has over 400k on there fleet.

  • @PH1M0
    @PH1M0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice comparo 👍

  • @zezizarjaars
    @zezizarjaars 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10 years after it might actually have improved every number 2ce. The accelleration 2ce as fast, the range 2ce as far.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      so you couldn't type out "twice"? I read it was two-ce the first few times.

    • @zezizarjaars
      @zezizarjaars 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jetah50 Oh, I'm sorry, I often do that in many cases. 2nd instead of second, I'm instead of I am.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@zezizarjaars 2nd i could do but the 2cs got me. the twitter gen will have a completely different grammar which will baffle people in 200 years.

    • @zezizarjaars
      @zezizarjaars 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jetah50 Haha, that's true, I've seen 200 year old papers in Dutch, my own language, I seriously struggled to understand anything at all from of it XD.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zezizarjaars now imagine that problem when it's all emoji's.

  • @martijntreffers49
    @martijntreffers49 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I hoped for some technical details in how the car has improved. Instead, this video is summing up the specs as I can read them on the Tesla website.

  • @Cloxxki
    @Cloxxki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Half of the range gain came from cramming in more cell.
    Half of the 0-60 reduction came from adding a front motor. But useful for more things. The latest version has one that's very efficient, used exclusively in test-like conditions.

  • @lalosoria
    @lalosoria 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, the Model S is definitely one of the best cars in the history of car industry. Simply awesome, it's a shame that I wouldn't be able to afford one, but I'll try my best to get a Model 3 AWD in 2020.

  • @ernoveresh1732
    @ernoveresh1732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why are you showing Model 3 interior when you comparing the Model S?

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a limited number of clips showing autopilot - sorry about that.

  • @sameeravhad
    @sameeravhad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So basically 2020 model S gives more value for $ than 2012

    • @andromeda9340
      @andromeda9340 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Technically yes,but both model year cars are still super advanced today.also both still have updates :)

  • @benliaw
    @benliaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent comparison. How about doing a comparison of the same Model S in 2012 and in 2020? What features would a Model S has in 2020 if it was bought in 2012.

  • @intruder313
    @intruder313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently watched a 1Y review of a Tesla 3 and when he mentioned that he had twice had performance improved I thought he was joking ....but yep, it had automatically downloaded changes to the way the battery delivers power to the motor and increased it 5% twice. Bonkers.

  • @gamingway3288
    @gamingway3288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interior needs a change

    • @JohnnyZenith
      @JohnnyZenith 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the rear end and a chrome delete.

  • @jaycharles6441
    @jaycharles6441 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who watched at 12:51pm like me?

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did put it out pretty late....

    • @jaycharles6441
      @jaycharles6441 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cleanerwatt You just like elon? BTW I subbed and started watching you yesterday night!

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jaycharles6441 Awesome! Glad to have you as a subscriber.

  • @mgd455
    @mgd455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you speak to improvements in build quality such as door handles not presenting, charging ports failures, or center screen failures? Do you have data to show improvements in these areas?

  • @nayanmipun6784
    @nayanmipun6784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much now for battery change to new battery?

  • @anyportinastormqwert
    @anyportinastormqwert 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How many adds do you need to put in this video.

  • @GerardPinzone
    @GerardPinzone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Video starts at 2:45. You're welcome.

  • @kensofuego5928
    @kensofuego5928 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whats the diffrence between 2018 and 2019? Is it just performance improvements or any new tech

  • @xAgyex
    @xAgyex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you do a new video like this one comparing the 2023 MS vs 2012 MS? Please.

  • @wesleydeng71
    @wesleydeng71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2012-2020 is 8 years, not 9

    • @gymrat5014
      @gymrat5014 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But the 2020 version came in 2019 see ;)

    • @satnitcboy
      @satnitcboy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you count 2012 and 2019, that's 9 years: 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. An easy error when doing math in your head.

  • @mosai7444
    @mosai7444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8 years XD

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess you are technically right since 2020 is not here. I was counting Model Years: 2012(1), 2013(2), 2014(3), 2015(4) 2016(5) 2017(6) 2018(7) 2019(8) 2020(9). That is how I got to 9 years.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cleanerwatt 2019 - 2012 = 8 years.

    • @mosai7444
      @mosai7444 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cleanerwatt Oh, I see. Well I'm dumb.

    • @jetah50
      @jetah50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@verynice5574 no. my mind is everywhere recently. i missed it by a year.. that's sad.

  • @ek9772
    @ek9772 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is an almost 20% improvement in range not 40%.
    2012: 265 / 85 = 3.12-miles per kWh
    2020: 373 / 100 = 3.73-miles per kWh
    You have to account for the bigger battery size, and use a common metric.

  • @DanielsPengetips
    @DanielsPengetips 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    AmaZing. Truly my dream car. Can’t wait til I can buy one for free (videos comming up)

  • @Nooblade
    @Nooblade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For providing both metrics and dumb US values, thanks! Thumbs up!

    • @SirHackaL0t.
      @SirHackaL0t. 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s different, not dumb. It would be easier if the whole world used the same measurements but we all are allowed our differences

    • @Nooblade
      @Nooblade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@SirHackaL0t. It's dumb as the whole world use the same system.
      Only the yanks that makes it complicated (like most of the stuffs that are going wrong in the world actually.)

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, we love our mile!

    • @nithinrajendran3091
      @nithinrajendran3091 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ miles sounds cool

  • @TacEsk8
    @TacEsk8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hmm something is off
    2020-2012=8 years....

    • @SirHackaL0t.
      @SirHackaL0t. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      VeryNice But he’s not wrong

    • @bluebikerathar
      @bluebikerathar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your calculation is from 2013 -2020 😜. 2012 itself is also a year.

    • @TacEsk8
      @TacEsk8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SirHackaL0t. im not wrong or the guy in the video?

    • @TacEsk8
      @TacEsk8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bluebikerathar no, you dont count the 12 itself. And you count all the way to 20, its not the full year of 20 too. So only 8 years

    • @Cleanerwatt
      @Cleanerwatt  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      2012 (1), 2013 (2), 2014 (3), 2015 (4), 2016 (5), 2017 (6), 2018 (7), 2019 (8), 2020 (9) - 9 Model Years.

  • @temprmj1
    @temprmj1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    America finally has a respectable auto maker.

  • @Widdermaker
    @Widdermaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing cooler about the 2012 Model S: Free Unlimited Supercharging. As Elon once stated (paraphrasing): “You can go on a road trip, bring some food, stay with friends, and leave your wallet at home.” (mic drop)