I'm blessed to own a model s. Most amazing versatile car ever. Love how it looks good but not flashy and gives me a sleeper supercar feel everytime. Definitely will be repeat buyer.
@Neel Javia What does that have to do with my comment? I'm saying he needs a Tesla to assist him with driving properly. A competent driver doesn't need AI assistance to help them maneuver the road.
Technology costs get less expensive over time. They don't increase unless a newer technology replaces them. Hence the reason why the Model 3 has become an even better value than the S.
@@miken4591 , it is. Materials used are better. Suspension better. Utility better. Performance better. Fit and Finish better. Exclusivity better. Not much difference between Mercedes S Class and E Class yet big price difference & status between the two. Same between Model S and 3. Model S will X will always be premium (as long as Elon continues to build them). I do think, after this amount of time, they need to update the vehicle. 8 years a long time for a vehicle in the automotive world.
@@darrensager2516 - when the auto world "updates" it generally means a small change in looks or size. Elon has said that Model S/X changes will be minor in terms of looks - like the 911. The tech changes have been huge and the 2020 Raven will hopefully be incredible.
But wait, there's more. 2012 had no parking sensors - 2020 does 2012 had central TPMS that would just say "tire pressure low" without indicating which tire or how much, 2020 shows all 4 corners 2012 had Gen 1 seats, 2020 has "Gen after NextGen seats" - way more comfortable 2012 didn't have traffic-aware cruise control, or lane-keeping (basic autopilot), 2020 has that and way more 2012 didn't have automatically closing charge port door, 2020 does 2012 didn't have lighted vanity mirrors 2012 had integrated headrests, 2020 has adjustable headrests 2012 didn't have a console on the floor between the front two seats, 2020 does. 2012 didn't have under battery ceramic armor plating (though it was added later), 2020 does 2012 had a max charging rate of 120 kW, 2020 has a max charging rate of 200 kW 2012 has 3G data connectivity with MCU1 hardware for the infotainment (center) screen, 2015 has LTE data and a faster MCU. edit: 2012 had no biohazard air filtration - 2020 does. (hat tip to scott cheney) I'm sure I left some things off. The only things that were better in 2012 was color choice (brown, green, silver, dolphin grey, signature red) and the option to get a panorama roof that opened.
impressive how much efficiency they have gained. The price going down and the specs going up. Yet all you hear is the doom of lower average selling prices. they maintain margin the whole way down.
@@MrMduchesne23 The 2012 P85 was a single motor RWD car. The D (awd versions) came in 2014 .... The P85D from 2014 had 3.4 sec 0-60 The normal rwd 85 had 4.6 sec 0-60 and Tesla S model 40 had 6.5 (or 6.7) sec 0-60 with max speed 110 mph There were 5 variants of model S with 85 kWh battery 85, P85, P85+, 85D and P85D Tesla Model 3 is 500 kg or 1100 lbs lighter than the Model S and in base model it has 50 kWh battery pack and AWD Performance has 75 kWh battery pack. No wonder it is faster - it's smaller and 25% lighter.
@@wyrazowfkp I know. The point I was trying to make was the world-shattering fastest car Tesla made back in the day 2012-2013, is now slower than an awd Tesla Model 3 - non-performance. Something that is far more in reach financially for people compared to the original Model S when new. The tech has improved that much in less than 10 years.
@@MrMduchesne23 Oh c'mon. Model 3 is half ton (or 1000 lbs) lighter than the Model S. The 3 AWD is 4.4 or 4.6 0-60 with 75 kWh battery pack .... AWD Sport Mode Option is 4.0 or 3.9 AWD Performance is 3.2 or 3.4 .... Normal long range (rwd) with the same pack (75 kWh) gets 0-60 in 5 seconds. But all this electric power does not matter in the top speed departament - in acceleration it does good :D They are quite slow and overheat when driven fast ...
@@wyrazowfkp It's starting to feel like I'm trolling you LOL. yes yes, you're right about those numbers. I haven't seen anyone overheat a performance model 3 yet but Tesla does reduce power output quite a bit after 60% State of Charge.
The bottom line : the EV Mustang has something like 6 different operating systems and screens. The VW id3 has the first 20,000 productions models sitting on a lot with “massive software problems “. The new SUV Mercedes’ Introduction has been pushed back an additional year. OEMs are learning that you cannot just put an electric motor and batteries in a frame and make EVs. Tesla is a fully integrated computer on four wheels, made by the best engineers in Silicon Valley.
@@davorniksic9288 We may see some manufacturers crash and burn. for sitting and waiting. Note Sears and Robuck vs Amazon. All we need is for gas to cost $5 a gallon again and stay there a year.
shepherdsknoll8 Tesla built their electric vehicles from the ground up. This allowed them to modernize everything and integrate it with the EV model of cars
JackoBanon1 lmfao. model s today is still a crappy interior low range long recharge inconvenient luxury items for rich loser liberals who created and lost to trump of all people. lmfao
The first gen Model S had 60 *and limited to 40 kWh battery pack or a 85 kWh pack. The Model S 60 kWh had 6.5 sec 0-60 and did go max speed 110 mph (or lower than 120 different sources). Not that great. The base Tesla 85 had 5.4 sec 0-60 time The fastest Tesla in 2012 was a P85 or P85+ with 4.2 0-60 mph
Nice work! Just thought I’d throw in a data point: adjusted for inflation, the 2012’s base price of $79,900 would be $89,266.05 today. So the 2020 non-performance model is effectively more than $9,000 CHEAPER than the 2012 (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ inflation calculator).
In the late 90's to early 2000's there was a company called Tilley electric vehicles. This company converted gas cars to electric cars that created more power than it could use and rerouted it back to the batteries. Self charging. They did it with old technology. Here we are parking and charging. They were bought out and dismantled by Exxon. There used to be videos all over the web, news clips, and interviews. They've been wiped out.
@@theuncalledfor damn you're stupid. Your education makes you dumb. Nothing is impossible when it comes to engineering. Keep your dumb thoughts to yourself
This was an incredible car in 2012 and will be much more of a groundbreaking vehicle in 2020 and beyond. Great video and I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment!
@@intruder313 ur trolling right?? the taygan is not even close to being the best electric car. like i said, comparing anything other company...not just electric, comparing any other car company to tesla is like comparing hammer to stark. the taygan has less range than a baby who hasnt learned to walk yet.
when my 2015s range suddenly fell by12 miles overnight the service writer told me it was normal. but actually Tesla is being sued in CA for doing this thru their software. deleting range and features via software not cool.
Are you sure it’s not just that they tweaked the range prediction for better accuracy, or to add a safety buffer? It could also be that some software changes related to motor control have affected its driving efficiency. It would be interesting to find the root cause(s) for the change in range.
"in the 9 years since it was released". It is just me or... ? Model S was first released June 22, 2012 and the video was uploaded December 23, 2019, so it's a time span of exactly 7.5 years... Or are you comparing the original to the June 2021 model S ?
Many, probably most, U.S. buyers of the Model S from 2012 through 2018 availed themselves of the full Federal tax credit of $7,500. With California being the dominant market during that period, most buyers had even larger financial incentives. Taken together and viewed as a reduction of the effective purchase price gives a more realistic relative price comparison between 2012 and 2019.
@@JZ-zy5nb But if we also account for inflation then the 2020 model is cheaper than listed if it was converted back to 2012 dollars. Also the standard 100D (non-performance) Model S today at $74,500 and still far outperforms the highest trim performance P85 in 2012. Also the 2020 Tesla comes with AP.
But that's not a fair comparison as he's comparing the prices that Tesla are charging only - external rebates/credits are outside of their control and vary wildly from country to country.
I remember being in middle school and seeing a Tesla for the first time. It was silver. And I always told my mom what that car was with the anchor symbol on the front lol
Wow, the Model S is definitely one of the best cars in the history of car industry. Simply awesome, it's a shame that I wouldn't be able to afford one, but I'll try my best to get a Model 3 AWD in 2020.
Video is full of interesting information that I didn't have so congrats from me. Truthfully, I still can't get my head around the fact that this startup is building the most desirable (arguably) cars in the world. Watching those Teslas going around the Nuremberg Ring makes me think, "Wait.....this shouldn't be happening, how can a startup do this?". It makes me realize the utter contempt for their customers that the ICE automakers must have when you consider what we've been offered in the past and even up to the present day. As an example, any Chrysler sedan. GM could have been the leader in electric, they've had a few tries, but couldn't get past the no maintenance required and subsequent loss of revenue for dealers and the general affect on their ICE vehicles. Their business is maximizing profit "only" or normal business practices. Elon Musk has got the idea in his head that he wants to make a difference in this world and he might just do it!
ICE auto industry was just ripe for picking for an electric moto company. ICE industry didn't want to invest in batteries, energy, solar, and the whole back end support for electric automobiles. I'd compare it to Intel being relaxed with barely pushing out improvements in your CPU space, then AMD came in and snatched the market from them.
Having been to many auto shows in the last decade, it always amazed how universally lacklustre the modern car market is. . . Each model barely distinguishable from one another, just different enough to create the illusion of giving choice to the consumer. People gravitate towards Tesla, simply because they are an interesting car in an otherwise boring market. You can tell there's some actual passion in the design, even with the growing pains they experienced as a company, you can tell Tesla actually gives a damn about giving something worthwhile to their customers.
@@normang3668 I also believe that Tesla went all in on EV while the other companies decided to 'stick their toes in' and then decided 'nah, it cost too much to put in power stations, work on good batteries, etc'. Whereas Tesla was like "yeah, we'll do that".
What's stopping them from doing a interior refresh? They should save money on less parts on the dash. Charging rates need to be on par or better with Model 3.
@@OnTheSnap1 My theory is you should have used more confident language. The Tesla Model S is known to overheat and slow down when it is raced after a couple of laps. We know the cooling in the Model 3 is better, doesn't overheat, and charges at a higher kw with a smaller pack. There is even a cooling related patent. The purpose of the Roadster is "a hardcore smackdown". Tesla sure looks like they want to make their own cells. One size would be a whole lot more efficient than 2. The 2070 cells are 5mm taller, so more energy. I'll eat my hat if the S pack technology isn't brought up to Model 3 tech, and I'll be surprised if it isn't even better.
Half of the range gain came from cramming in more cell. Half of the 0-60 reduction came from adding a front motor. But useful for more things. The latest version has one that's very efficient, used exclusively in test-like conditions.
Or Tesla will be Chinese brand as is Volvo :D In all those 7,5 years they have produced 816.155 cars (100k per year) ..... In China new electric car sales is more than 1.5 milion supposed this year - just one year sales :D cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16626.jpeg
The gap between Tesla and it's competitors appears to be growing rather than diminishing. It was generally assumed that traditional car manufacturers would close the gap, however, this has yet to happen. If this gap continues to grow it is likely that the Tesla shorts will move their attention away from Tesla and instead start to short the traditional car manufacturers.
It's funny when you hear the super-intelligent and well-informed 'analysts and experts' dismissing the Model S as a '2012 car' and therefore obsolete. It's like calling the Ford Mustang a '1967 car' and therefore ancient.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Anakin stirs and stretches, his blue eyes blinking up at me. "Master?" "Yes, Padawan?" "Do you really *want* to be my Master?" I look down at him gravely and tug on his braid. "Yes, my Anakin. I really do."
It is amazing that still no cars can be a match to Tesla. One day I will own two of them, and when I do, I will be very happy to enjoy the best driving experience available today and in the foreseen future. Am also very excited to see the model Y and the truck enter the streets . !!! Great video in all ways
4:00 It's great that there has been constant improvement to the Model S. However, this is nothing unusual and to be expected. I also note that you have not mentioned that the "Performance" model in 2020 is now the P100D, which indicates a stronger battery - 100kWh. So of course it is more powerful and faster.
I recently watched a 1Y review of a Tesla 3 and when he mentioned that he had twice had performance improved I thought he was joking ....but yep, it had automatically downloaded changes to the way the battery delivers power to the motor and increased it 5% twice. Bonkers.
I will buy Model S (with all extras), another roadster and a cybertruck... i just love all of these toys. no more ferrari, bmw, audi, mercedez, this is the end of these companies... they dont give us anything better and they ask $$$$ LOADS OF MONEY for junk
That's assuming they are actually trying. A brand like Mercedes making an actual Model S killer would make a huge loss the first years, for this car alone. No way it can make enough. Customers who wait their turn cost them a sale. Customers who by a Tesla in stead cost them a sale. It's a very complicated puzzle and rushing the product bit is not the way you get to see the completing with the brand name still on your building. Much harder to convert from ICEV to BEV than to start a BEV company from scratch.
@@brandonm30 we are talking about charging power not horses, btw. the Porsche accelerates faster and has more horsepower, plaid does matter only when it came out..... The Porsche Taycan Turbo S finished the 1/4 mile drag race in 10.69 secs @ 131.6 mph (211.7 km/h) vs. the Tesla Model S crossing the finishing line in 11.08 secs @ 124.0 mph (199.5 km/h). The Taycan also topped the 0-60 mph (2.61 vs. 2.68 secs) and 0-100 mph (6.12 vs. 6.46 secs) times in this drag stretch.
@@TheOneG36 a plaid prototype that was used at the nurburgring in Germany completed an unofficial lap of 7:13 in no traffic a German car magazine company was there to time the car with a stopwatch
Can you speak to improvements in build quality such as door handles not presenting, charging ports failures, or center screen failures? Do you have data to show improvements in these areas?
The lowest prices I've seen are upper 20s (today, $27,885), but your point is still a good one. Just within the past couple of days, it occurred to me that once I pay off some debt (target, April 1), I will be able to afford a Model S!
@@Mrbfgray 1) Emotional attachment - the Model S became my dream car when it first came out, 2) Styling - I prefer sedans over SUVs, 3) I don't buy new cars, preferring to let depreciation work its magic (I also don't lease cars).
One thing cooler about the 2012 Model S: Free Unlimited Supercharging. As Elon once stated (paraphrasing): “You can go on a road trip, bring some food, stay with friends, and leave your wallet at home.” (mic drop)
The Tesla Model S sets the standard for transport which is the best in the world... It basically pays for itself over time and provides incredibly enjoyable use and function... The choice is very simple for other manufacturers also as Tesla has open sourced it's Patents which is quite generous and influential in the best way... Love Tesla 😆
Legacy - I love that term for others than Tesla hahaha! ; Because that's what they are, literally whole automobile industry is retarded and don't care much about technology and real advancements, they just improve very little every year, 911 good example, every bmw, audi, merc etc... all technologically obsolete and completely non innovative ;
They don't have the luxury of starting from zero with lots of investor and bank money. They need to phase out ICEVs while creating wholly new BEVs. Way harder. Especially with a company to keep afloat. More to do wrong than right. One really appealing BEV in your brand, and the brand is over. As you'd never be able to make enough of them and you'd lose sales to other brands. even loyal customers who'd wait their turn another year would cost you income you NEED. Tesla has it easy by comparison. They just got $2B from Fiat-Chrysler, just because of taxation of CO2 emitting machines. The very stuff we exhale more than inhale. The stuff plants and crops grow on.
It's a shame Tesla removed the feature to turn of the traction control. Holy crud, my friend showed me it all the way back in 2013 and it was so fun to slide around in that thing.
@@jetah50 Haha, that's true, I've seen 200 year old papers in Dutch, my own language, I seriously struggled to understand anything at all from of it XD.
Thank you. You provided me with more food for thought as I decide when to replace my 2014 non-performance and pre-Autopilot Model S85 with a new Model S. My current plan is about a year and a half from now. The other factor you might have included is the growth and improvement of the Supercharger system which now has 753 sites in the US compared to 79 when my Model S was delivered early in April, 2014. The Supercharger network is the most reliable and extensive way to allow for long range electric driving and puts all Tesla vehicles in a class by themselves.
Judgeing by the way they add $500 to the price for every Kilowatt hour, a 100kwh Model 3 and Y would cost $70,000 (aka, Plaid cybertruck price) and possibly be the same 0-60 as the current Model S and X. I wonder if they will just make this a standard where they have three ranges and 1,2, and 3 motors. I can't wait to find out. They make so much improvement each year it's hard to imagine what they will do each year let alone 5 to 10 years from now.
There is an almost 20% improvement in range not 40%. 2012: 265 / 85 = 3.12-miles per kWh 2020: 373 / 100 = 3.73-miles per kWh You have to account for the bigger battery size, and use a common metric.
i LOVE MY TESLA S 2013 85, only lost 7% battery capacity over 8 years, better than any other car I owned before. I can't imagine it is 8 years, paint and interior still look great. Can only imagine the improvement since...Tesla is just above anything else, e tron make me laugh, not even comparable to my old S...
@@T2KVDO I believe so. Check the maximum range after fully charged to compare how it lost over years, last studies online shows an incredible low degradation of batteries... I believe they can handle 300k miles or 10 more years very easily. I still have mine and still love it !
There is no such thing as a 2020 Model S, yet. In contrast to other American manufacturers, Tesla does not call their models after years 3 years in the future. A 2020 Model S is a Model S built in 2020 and there will be a hell of a lot of changes during the year 2020 alone to the MS.
Tesla changed that this year and is somewhat aligned with other automakers.. Now Q4 2019 builds get a 2020 designation. This just started a few months ago. The way Tesla had been doing it had been hurting owners (and even Tesla. with trade-ins and pre-owned vehicles) on the used market. For all other years, you are correct.
I have the Raven model S and there is no way you get 600km out of a full charge. You will not be able to resist flooring it every 30 seconds because it so damn fun and that will drain your battery fast.
@@SirHackaL0t. It's dumb as the whole world use the same system. Only the yanks that makes it complicated (like most of the stuffs that are going wrong in the world actually.)
I guess you are technically right since 2020 is not here. I was counting Model Years: 2012(1), 2013(2), 2014(3), 2015(4) 2016(5) 2017(6) 2018(7) 2019(8) 2020(9). That is how I got to 9 years.
You do understand that the 2012 battery pack cost around $1,000.00 a kWh and the 2020 battery pack is around $120.00 per kWh. So knowing that, it’s safe to say that the 2020 Tesla even with the new features should cost less than the 2012 model. Elon doesn’t want to destroy the resale value of the model S and that is why he keeps adding more features to it to keep the price similar to the 2012 model. You must know this because he made huge news when he tried to lower the cost of the model S and got tons of heat from current owners of the car and had to raise the price back up.
What about improving the battery pack in 2020? I’m thinking switching to 2170 cells, less heavy pack, different integration to the body and larger capacity (120 kWh perhaps).
Would have been the move to make for 2017. But they vastly under-ramped GF1. Still to this day import cells from Japan, nice and green. The Model 3 generation packs are more advanced, but the cells themselves have been disappointing for energy density. that's not where the weight is being saved for now. Making the 5mm longer cells work in the upright position would in itself add 7.7% of energy capacity. A bit more really factoring in the ends of the cell. Larger modules free up floor space for cells. Cooling is probably less bulky. Now at around 105 kWh probably, 120 kWh for sure should be doable wit the same battery side. But really, who needs it? With 100 kWh, well over 3C as Model 3, they'd charge at over 300 kW if the wiring were to allow it. Tesla long claimed that more range was not needed. Why create more environmental impact for range no-one needs with a 120 kWh S/X and 200 kWh Roadster? So wasteful. With a clever redesign the S could have a much more comfortable rear seat (foot bed to the floor) and plenty of range at under $5K over the Model 3. Would people buy a Model S at $45k, RWD, 220 mi range, two screens, comfortable seats, more cargo space? They would. Let along with an estate version. Look up what that can look like, people have done it.
thanks for adding metric units
hell yes
“(Rest of the earth)”
Freedom units would have been fine .
Yeah. Metric units should be the standard across the world.:/
@@davidhorinek Yup
I'm blessed to own a model s. Most amazing versatile car ever. Love how it looks good but not flashy and gives me a sleeper supercar feel everytime. Definitely will be repeat buyer.
Nice your comment makes me want one
I am with you Jonathan. I have a Raven Model S Standard Range and it is such a great car I’m looking forward to the Plaid version in a year or two.
That's because you can't drive properly.
@Neel Javia What does that have to do with my comment? I'm saying he needs a Tesla to assist him with driving properly. A competent driver doesn't need AI assistance to help them maneuver the road.
@Neel Javia He can't drive properly that's why.
The prices are not adjusted for inflation, so the 2020 version is actually cheaper.
Inflation is mentioned in the video.
Technology costs get less expensive over time. They don't increase unless a newer technology replaces them. Hence the reason why the Model 3 has become an even better value than the S.
@@darrensager2516 - the 2020 Model S should be significantly better than the Mod 3 to justify the premium.
@@miken4591 , it is. Materials used are better. Suspension better. Utility better. Performance better. Fit and Finish better. Exclusivity better. Not much difference between Mercedes S Class and E Class yet big price difference & status between the two. Same between Model S and 3. Model S will X will always be premium (as long as Elon continues to build them). I do think, after this amount of time, they need to update the vehicle. 8 years a long time for a vehicle in the automotive world.
@@darrensager2516 - when the auto world "updates" it generally means a small change in looks or size. Elon has said that Model S/X changes will be minor in terms of looks - like the 911. The tech changes have been huge and the 2020 Raven will hopefully be incredible.
But wait, there's more.
2012 had no parking sensors - 2020 does
2012 had central TPMS that would just say "tire pressure low" without indicating which tire or how much, 2020 shows all 4 corners
2012 had Gen 1 seats, 2020 has "Gen after NextGen seats" - way more comfortable
2012 didn't have traffic-aware cruise control, or lane-keeping (basic autopilot), 2020 has that and way more
2012 didn't have automatically closing charge port door, 2020 does
2012 didn't have lighted vanity mirrors
2012 had integrated headrests, 2020 has adjustable headrests
2012 didn't have a console on the floor between the front two seats, 2020 does.
2012 didn't have under battery ceramic armor plating (though it was added later), 2020 does
2012 had a max charging rate of 120 kW, 2020 has a max charging rate of 200 kW
2012 has 3G data connectivity with MCU1 hardware for the infotainment (center) screen, 2015 has LTE data and a faster MCU.
edit: 2012 had no biohazard air filtration - 2020 does. (hat tip to scott cheney)
I'm sure I left some things off.
The only things that were better in 2012 was color choice (brown, green, silver, dolphin grey, signature red) and the option to get a panorama roof that opened.
Thank you! This list is helpful.
I will just assume you have a Tesla Model S or you work at Tesla, you gave too much details even more than the video
Still no doorbins...
@Dimmet Gloomcap All Teslas got dog mode around a year ago or so, as an over-the-air software updated, going back to the 2012 Model S.
@@TsarOfRuss Yes, I have a 2013 Model S, and have been paying attention to most of the changes over the years. Thanks.
impressive how much efficiency they have gained. The price going down and the specs going up. Yet all you hear is the doom of lower average selling prices. they maintain margin the whole way down.
look how the 2012 Performance 85 - is slower than a model 3 dual motor awd.
@@MrMduchesne23 The 2012 P85 was a single motor RWD car. The D (awd versions) came in 2014 .... The P85D from 2014 had 3.4 sec 0-60
The normal rwd 85 had 4.6 sec 0-60 and Tesla S model 40 had 6.5 (or 6.7) sec 0-60 with max speed 110 mph
There were 5 variants of model S with 85 kWh battery
85, P85, P85+, 85D and P85D
Tesla Model 3 is 500 kg or 1100 lbs lighter than the Model S and in base model it has 50 kWh battery pack and AWD Performance has 75 kWh battery pack. No wonder it is faster - it's smaller and 25% lighter.
@@wyrazowfkp I know. The point I was trying to make was the world-shattering fastest car Tesla made back in the day 2012-2013, is now slower than an awd Tesla Model 3 - non-performance. Something that is far more in reach financially for people compared to the original Model S when new. The tech has improved that much in less than 10 years.
@@MrMduchesne23 Oh c'mon. Model 3 is half ton (or 1000 lbs) lighter than the Model S.
The 3 AWD is 4.4 or 4.6 0-60 with 75 kWh battery pack ....
AWD Sport Mode Option is 4.0 or 3.9
AWD Performance is 3.2 or 3.4 ....
Normal long range (rwd) with the same pack (75 kWh) gets 0-60 in 5 seconds. But all this electric power does not matter in the top speed departament - in acceleration it does good :D They are quite slow and overheat when driven fast ...
@@wyrazowfkp It's starting to feel like I'm trolling you LOL. yes yes, you're right about those numbers. I haven't seen anyone overheat a performance model 3 yet but Tesla does reduce power output quite a bit after 60% State of Charge.
Thank you for considering the metric system.
You are welcome.
The bottom line : the EV Mustang has something like 6 different operating systems and screens. The VW id3 has the first 20,000 productions models sitting on a lot with “massive software problems “. The new SUV Mercedes’ Introduction has been pushed back an additional year. OEMs are learning that you cannot just put an electric motor and batteries in a frame and make EVs. Tesla is a fully integrated computer on four wheels, made by the best engineers in Silicon Valley.
Well said!
We need a video of the ID3 issues
Traditional car manufacturers are paying the price for sit&wait game.
@@davorniksic9288 We may see some manufacturers crash and burn. for sitting and waiting. Note Sears and Robuck vs Amazon. All we need is for gas to cost $5 a gallon again and stay there a year.
shepherdsknoll8 Tesla built their electric vehicles from the ground up. This allowed them to modernize everything and integrate it with the EV model of cars
It's crazy how no cars today still can't compete with the first gen model s.
Because nobody believed in it in 2012.
Other manufacturers were laughing about it. Today nobody of them laughs anymore.
@@JackoBanon1 facts.its the car that broke the spell :)
JackoBanon1 lmfao. model s today is still a crappy interior low range long recharge inconvenient luxury items for rich loser liberals who created and lost to trump of all people. lmfao
@@JackoBanon1 Yeah but I seriously hope they will be able to keep the momentum
The first gen Model S had 60 *and limited to 40 kWh battery pack or a 85 kWh pack.
The Model S 60 kWh had 6.5 sec 0-60 and did go max speed 110 mph (or lower than 120 different sources). Not that great.
The base Tesla 85 had 5.4 sec 0-60 time
The fastest Tesla in 2012 was a P85 or P85+ with 4.2 0-60 mph
I recently took delivery of my 2020 Model S long range. I love it so much.
It's game over when I'm released
For sure - the Cybertruck is going to be amazing!
Love my Model 3 but will be happy to trade it in for the Cybertruck, that thing is a weapon.
Can only one person have that username?
And the roadster
Cyber Truck *
Nice work! Just thought I’d throw in a data point: adjusted for inflation, the 2012’s base price of $79,900 would be $89,266.05 today. So the 2020 non-performance model is effectively more than $9,000 CHEAPER than the 2012 (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ inflation calculator).
Thank you for adding those numbers - I will have to do a similar calculation for future videos.
How about including the average wages rise too ? www.deptofnumbers.com/income/us/
As the owner of a 2014 P85 this is really interesting!
Thanks for taking the trouble👍
The "competition" is so not coming that the only thing you can compare a Tesla to is to itself.
True - Even the 2012 model S hold up to other brand's 2020 models.
In the late 90's to early 2000's there was a company called Tilley electric vehicles. This company converted gas cars to electric cars that created more power than it could use and rerouted it back to the batteries. Self charging. They did it with old technology. Here we are parking and charging. They were bought out and dismantled by Exxon. There used to be videos all over the web, news clips, and interviews. They've been wiped out.
@@g4do
That's either an outright lie or just regenerative braking, because perpetual motion machines are _impossible._
@@g4do So... a hybrid?
@@theuncalledfor damn you're stupid. Your education makes you dumb. Nothing is impossible when it comes to engineering. Keep your dumb thoughts to yourself
This was an incredible car in 2012 and will be much more of a groundbreaking vehicle in 2020 and beyond. Great video and I am going to subscribe as soon as I finish this comment!
comparing tesla to any other company trying to make electric cars is like comparing stark to hammer
Haha, that's so true!😂
MC Hammer?
@@incognitotorpedo42 You can't touch this.
Except the Porsche Taygan is considered the absolute best electric car car I believe.
@@intruder313 ur trolling right??
the taygan is not even close to being the best electric car. like i said, comparing anything other company...not just electric, comparing any other car company to tesla is like comparing hammer to stark. the taygan has less range than a baby who hasnt learned to walk yet.
I clicked like because you included the metric system.
Great info 👍
Great video, thanks for all of the info
Awesome video, great information density, keep it up!
Thank you!
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thanks for the great video!
Thank you - Merry Christmas to you as well.
We've stuck with craply designed cars for donkeys years, Tesla has shook up the motor industry. Great!.
Still rocking my 2014 p85 with AP1, and 130k, still on the original battery pack, 2nd drive unit
@james braselton never herd of a EV stopping at 130k, Tesla loop has over 400k on there fleet.
when my 2015s range suddenly fell by12 miles overnight the service writer told me it was normal. but actually Tesla is being sued in CA for doing this thru their software. deleting range and features via software not cool.
They arent deleting range by software. Its like ur phone, the battery drains overnight.
Did you not charge it or did you mean the highest possible range dropped? I’ve never heard of this lawsuit?
@@zavier3644 the highest possible range dropped by software changes from tesla. just like they took away features of the nav display on mine too.
Are you sure it’s not just that they tweaked the range prediction for better accuracy, or to add a safety buffer? It could also be that some software changes related to motor control have affected its driving efficiency. It would be interesting to find the root cause(s) for the change in range.
@@trevinbeattie4888 yes. i am sure.... and the range accuracy is another problem too. typically the range of 2015 model s is less than projected.
This guy needs way more subscribers
"in the 9 years since it was released". It is just me or... ?
Model S was first released June 22, 2012 and the video was uploaded December 23, 2019, so it's a time span of exactly 7.5 years...
Or are you comparing the original to the June 2021 model S ?
8.5 years you've missed out 2012 in your counting!
@@louisbarnett6935 ? 8 years from june 2012 will be in in june 2020 :)
yeah the youtuber is just a tesla kiss ass
Excited about the updates. It feels like a new car every time 🤩
I just realised sth: A model S drives with around 2.11 liters/100 km. THATS INSANELEY EFFICIENT
How did you calculate it?
Excellent objective presentation. Good voiceover and comparisons
Many, probably most, U.S. buyers of the Model S from 2012 through 2018 availed themselves of the full Federal tax credit of $7,500. With California being the dominant market during that period, most buyers had even larger financial incentives. Taken together and viewed as a reduction of the effective purchase price gives a more realistic relative price comparison between 2012 and 2019.
@@JZ-zy5nb But if we also account for inflation then the 2020 model is cheaper than listed if it was converted back to 2012 dollars. Also the standard 100D (non-performance) Model S today at $74,500 and still far outperforms the highest trim performance P85 in 2012. Also the 2020 Tesla comes with AP.
But that's not a fair comparison as he's comparing the prices that Tesla are charging only - external rebates/credits are outside of their control and vary wildly from country to country.
Great video CW
I always look forward to your new releases
When the "car talk function" launches, they should hire David Hasselhoff for the promotion ;D
I remember being in middle school and seeing a Tesla for the first time. It was silver. And I always told my mom what that car was with the anchor symbol on the front lol
Great video! And on top of that they are now a profitable company! Wow!
True!
Wow, the Model S is definitely one of the best cars in the history of car industry. Simply awesome, it's a shame that I wouldn't be able to afford one, but I'll try my best to get a Model 3 AWD in 2020.
Model 3 is better in many ways.
Video is full of interesting information that I didn't have so congrats from me.
Truthfully, I still can't get my head around the fact that this startup is building the most desirable (arguably) cars in the world. Watching those Teslas going around the Nuremberg Ring makes me think, "Wait.....this shouldn't be happening, how can a startup do this?".
It makes me realize the utter contempt for their customers that the ICE automakers must have when you consider what we've been offered in the past and even up to the present day. As an example, any Chrysler sedan. GM could have been the leader in electric, they've had a few tries, but couldn't get past the no maintenance required and subsequent loss of revenue for dealers and the general affect on their ICE vehicles. Their business is maximizing profit "only" or normal business practices. Elon Musk has got the idea in his head that he wants to make a difference in this world and he might just do it!
ICE auto industry was just ripe for picking for an electric moto company. ICE industry didn't want to invest in batteries, energy, solar, and the whole back end support for electric automobiles.
I'd compare it to Intel being relaxed with barely pushing out improvements in your CPU space, then AMD came in and snatched the market from them.
Having been to many auto shows in the last decade, it always amazed how universally lacklustre the modern car market is. . . Each model barely distinguishable from one another, just different enough to create the illusion of giving choice to the consumer.
People gravitate towards Tesla, simply because they are an interesting car in an otherwise boring market. You can tell there's some actual passion in the design, even with the growing pains they experienced as a company, you can tell Tesla actually gives a damn about giving something worthwhile to their customers.
@@normang3668 I also believe that Tesla went all in on EV while the other companies decided to 'stick their toes in' and then decided 'nah, it cost too much to put in power stations, work on good batteries, etc'. Whereas Tesla was like "yeah, we'll do that".
thats silicon valley for you
Elon thinks globally, other CEOs only think of themselves/investors.
I'm glad you added normal units!
I just realized: those reverse lights were totally an afterthought in the design.
They gotta redesign it sometime soon. It’s been 9 years.
AL K but still looks pretty good but yes needs a redesign as it will go out of style
Imagine how much more advanced they'll be in the next 8 years . . . Tesla vehicles as a whole.
My new favourite Tesla-channel.
What's stopping them from doing a interior refresh? They should save money on less parts on the dash. Charging rates need to be on par or better with Model 3.
Wagner Wong my theory is Plaid model S this summer will include the refresh
are they not updating the battery to model3 cells?
@@gzcwnk it would require a redesign supposedly to convert to the 3170.
Maybe battery investor day will drop something huge.
@@OnTheSnap1 My theory is you should have used more confident language. The Tesla Model S is known to overheat and slow down when it is raced after a couple of laps. We know the cooling in the Model 3 is better, doesn't overheat, and charges at a higher kw with a smaller pack. There is even a cooling related patent. The purpose of the Roadster is "a hardcore smackdown". Tesla sure looks like they want to make their own cells. One size would be a whole lot more efficient than 2. The 2070 cells are 5mm taller, so more energy. I'll eat my hat if the S pack technology isn't brought up to Model 3 tech, and I'll be surprised if it isn't even better.
I agree - I think this will happen as well.
Half of the range gain came from cramming in more cell.
Half of the 0-60 reduction came from adding a front motor. But useful for more things. The latest version has one that's very efficient, used exclusively in test-like conditions.
Comparing 2020 tesla vs 2030 will be like. Tesla is the highest selling car in the world and half of 2020s brand don't exist anymore.
Or Tesla will be Chinese brand as is Volvo :D In all those 7,5 years they have produced 816.155 cars (100k per year) ..... In China new electric car sales is more than 1.5 milion supposed this year - just one year sales :D
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Amazing that an EV from 2012 still performs better than most new vehicles today
The gap between Tesla and it's competitors appears to be growing rather than diminishing. It was generally assumed that traditional car manufacturers would close the gap, however, this has yet to happen.
If this gap continues to grow it is likely that the Tesla shorts will move their attention away from Tesla and instead start to short the traditional car manufacturers.
Thank you for showing metric units as well
It's funny when you hear the super-intelligent and well-informed 'analysts and experts' dismissing the Model S as a '2012 car' and therefore obsolete. It's like calling the Ford Mustang a '1967 car' and therefore ancient.
Big oil hates Tesla. Traditional car companies hate Tesla. FUD is their game.
True.
1965 car.
@@incognitotorpedo42
Anakin stirs and stretches, his blue eyes blinking up at me. "Master?"
"Yes, Padawan?"
"Do you really *want* to be my Master?"
I look down at him gravely and tug on his braid. "Yes, my Anakin.
I really do."
Their skepticism is literally founded on ignorance.
It is amazing that still no cars can be a match to Tesla. One day I will own two of them, and when I do, I will be very happy to enjoy the best driving experience available today and in the foreseen future. Am also very excited to see the model Y and the truck enter the streets . !!! Great video in all ways
Sections:
2:44 - Performance
5:00 - Raven update
5:44 - Range & Efficiency
6:31 - Cost
11:18 - Software & Hardware Updates
11:52 - Future
Check this baby out.
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Canada. Ca fuck off
This is very informative. Would you also do a video to compare the build quality? It would be great to see how much they have improved in this regard.
4:00 It's great that there has been constant improvement to the Model S. However, this is nothing unusual and to be expected. I also note that you have not mentioned that the "Performance" model in 2020 is now the P100D, which indicates a stronger battery - 100kWh. So of course it is more powerful and faster.
I recently watched a 1Y review of a Tesla 3 and when he mentioned that he had twice had performance improved I thought he was joking ....but yep, it had automatically downloaded changes to the way the battery delivers power to the motor and increased it 5% twice. Bonkers.
I will buy Model S (with all extras), another roadster and a cybertruck... i just love all of these toys. no more ferrari, bmw, audi, mercedez, this is the end of these companies... they dont give us anything better and they ask $$$$ LOADS OF MONEY for junk
I agree that these cars are amazing. Let's just hope you can find a reliable way to quickly repair all of those cars.
I still want a 458 spyder tho
Meanwhile all new starters to EVs cant even beat the Model S 2012 by range
Which one ? 40, 60 or 85 kWh models ?
That's assuming they are actually trying.
A brand like Mercedes making an actual Model S killer would make a huge loss the first years, for this car alone. No way it can make enough. Customers who wait their turn cost them a sale. Customers who by a Tesla in stead cost them a sale.
It's a very complicated puzzle and rushing the product bit is not the way you get to see the completing with the brand name still on your building. Much harder to convert from ICEV to BEV than to start a BEV company from scratch.
Great Video...well structured!! Thanks
People saying it needs refresh is absolutely wrong. I just bought new model s, it's at another level compared to my BMW X3 from 2 yrs ago.
How much now for battery change to new battery?
And not to forget , the increase of charging power
120 - 145 to a stunning 200kW.
Curious for the plaid version
Porsche 250-270KW ;)
The plaid model s might have a 1000hp given three motors
@@brandonm30 we are talking about charging power not horses, btw. the Porsche accelerates faster and has more horsepower, plaid does matter only when it came out.....
The Porsche Taycan Turbo S finished the 1/4 mile drag race in 10.69 secs @ 131.6 mph (211.7 km/h) vs. the Tesla Model S crossing the finishing line in 11.08 secs @ 124.0 mph (199.5 km/h). The Taycan also topped the 0-60 mph (2.61 vs. 2.68 secs) and 0-100 mph (6.12 vs. 6.46 secs) times in this drag stretch.
@@TheOneG36 a plaid prototype that was used at the nurburgring in Germany completed an unofficial lap of 7:13 in no traffic a German car magazine company was there to time the car with a stopwatch
So yes the current Porsche taycan has better performance but the upcoming plaid series tesla will Propably be better
Can you speak to improvements in build quality such as door handles not presenting, charging ports failures, or center screen failures? Do you have data to show improvements in these areas?
1080p please
I am going to do some equipment upgrades in the new year, This will allow for a quality improvement for sure.
@@Cleanerwatt next make a video of how cleanerwatt changed ;D
a 2012 model s for 24k ...now i can afford the dam thing im buying one real soon.
In 2020, the 2012 model costs 20-30.000$ as a used car.
For a used car that's pretty expensive especially for a used luxury car.
The lowest prices I've seen are upper 20s (today, $27,885), but your point is still a good one. Just within the past couple of days, it occurred to me that once I pay off some debt (target, April 1), I will be able to afford a Model S!
@@elwingreen8311 It's such a massive sled tho, unless you are hauling 5 plus folks every week long distances why would you take it over the 3?
@@Mrbfgray 1) Emotional attachment - the Model S became my dream car when it first came out, 2) Styling - I prefer sedans over SUVs, 3) I don't buy new cars, preferring to let depreciation work its magic (I also don't lease cars).
@@Mrbfgray better comfort features + air suspension (!!)
One thing cooler about the 2012 Model S: Free Unlimited Supercharging. As Elon once stated (paraphrasing): “You can go on a road trip, bring some food, stay with friends, and leave your wallet at home.” (mic drop)
In The earlier models you got free-for-life supercharging.
That's not possible today, right?
S and X are currently available (12/2019) with supercharging included for the first owner.
Source: Tesla.com
Excellent report
The Tesla Model S sets the standard for transport which is the best in the world... It basically pays for itself over time and provides incredibly enjoyable use and function... The choice is very simple for other manufacturers also as Tesla has open sourced it's Patents which is quite generous and influential in the best way... Love Tesla 😆
Thank you for km conversions !
A message for legacy manufacturers - be afraid.......be very afraid !
Legacy - I love that term for others than Tesla hahaha! ; Because that's what they are, literally whole automobile industry is retarded and don't care much about technology and real advancements, they just improve very little every year, 911 good example, every bmw, audi, merc etc... all technologically obsolete and completely non innovative ;
They don't have the luxury of starting from zero with lots of investor and bank money. They need to phase out ICEVs while creating wholly new BEVs. Way harder. Especially with a company to keep afloat. More to do wrong than right. One really appealing BEV in your brand, and the brand is over. As you'd never be able to make enough of them and you'd lose sales to other brands. even loyal customers who'd wait their turn another year would cost you income you NEED.
Tesla has it easy by comparison. They just got $2B from Fiat-Chrysler, just because of taxation of CO2 emitting machines. The very stuff we exhale more than inhale. The stuff plants and crops grow on.
Cloxxki hahahaha hahahaha
It's a shame Tesla removed the feature to turn of the traction control. Holy crud, my friend showed me it all the way back in 2013 and it was so fun to slide around in that thing.
10 years after it might actually have improved every number 2ce. The accelleration 2ce as fast, the range 2ce as far.
so you couldn't type out "twice"? I read it was two-ce the first few times.
@@jetah50 Oh, I'm sorry, I often do that in many cases. 2nd instead of second, I'm instead of I am.
@@zezizarjaars 2nd i could do but the 2cs got me. the twitter gen will have a completely different grammar which will baffle people in 200 years.
@@jetah50 Haha, that's true, I've seen 200 year old papers in Dutch, my own language, I seriously struggled to understand anything at all from of it XD.
@@zezizarjaars now imagine that problem when it's all emoji's.
Can you do a new video like this one comparing the 2023 MS vs 2012 MS? Please.
Video starts at 2:45. You're welcome.
Thank you. You provided me with more food for thought as I decide when to replace my 2014 non-performance and pre-Autopilot Model S85 with a new Model S. My current plan is about a year and a half from now. The other factor you might have included is the growth and improvement of the Supercharger system which now has 753 sites in the US compared to 79 when my Model S was delivered early in April, 2014. The Supercharger network is the most reliable and extensive way to allow for long range electric driving and puts all Tesla vehicles in a class by themselves.
Why are you showing Model 3 interior when you comparing the Model S?
I have a limited number of clips showing autopilot - sorry about that.
Great analysis
Who watched at 12:51pm like me?
I did put it out pretty late....
@@Cleanerwatt You just like elon? BTW I subbed and started watching you yesterday night!
@@jaycharles6441 Awesome! Glad to have you as a subscriber.
Great Video 👍
I hoped for some technical details in how the car has improved. Instead, this video is summing up the specs as I can read them on the Tesla website.
Judgeing by the way they add $500 to the price for every Kilowatt hour, a 100kwh Model 3 and Y would cost $70,000 (aka, Plaid cybertruck price) and possibly be the same 0-60 as the current Model S and X.
I wonder if they will just make this a standard where they have three ranges and 1,2, and 3 motors.
I can't wait to find out. They make so much improvement each year it's hard to imagine what they will do each year let alone 5 to 10 years from now.
Forgot to mention the biggest and most important update.... The dog mode!
All of us dogs prefer dog mode. Also, when self driving arrives I can take myself to the Dog Park every day!
True - I was sure to miss one - there are so many good ones!
Whats the diffrence between 2018 and 2019? Is it just performance improvements or any new tech
So basically 2020 model S gives more value for $ than 2012
Technically yes,but both model year cars are still super advanced today.also both still have updates :)
Great video/job, thank you
How many adds do you need to put in this video.
There is an almost 20% improvement in range not 40%.
2012: 265 / 85 = 3.12-miles per kWh
2020: 373 / 100 = 3.73-miles per kWh
You have to account for the bigger battery size, and use a common metric.
Interior needs a change
And the rear end and a chrome delete.
i LOVE MY TESLA S 2013 85, only lost 7% battery capacity over 8 years, better than any other car I owned before. I can't imagine it is 8 years, paint and interior still look great. Can only imagine the improvement since...Tesla is just above anything else, e tron make me laugh, not even comparable to my old S...
i plan to buy a used tesla S 2016 70, currently its got 52k kms on the odo..what do u reckon ? will it give me another 10 years of car life?
@@T2KVDO I believe so. Check the maximum range after fully charged to compare how it lost over years, last studies online shows an incredible low degradation of batteries... I believe they can handle 300k miles or 10 more years very easily. I still have mine and still love it !
There is no such thing as a 2020 Model S, yet. In contrast to other American manufacturers, Tesla does not call their models after years 3 years in the future. A 2020 Model S is a Model S built in 2020 and there will be a hell of a lot of changes during the year 2020 alone to the MS.
Anyone buying Tesla cars now are getting theirs delivered as a 2020 vin. :)
Tesla changed that this year and is somewhat aligned with other automakers.. Now Q4 2019 builds get a 2020 designation. This just started a few months ago.
The way Tesla had been doing it had been hurting owners (and even Tesla. with trade-ins and pre-owned vehicles) on the used market.
For all other years, you are correct.
It's good to know that Tesla isn't just pocketing the reduced battery price but actually making the cars better and cheaper per kWh for the consumer.
2012-2020 is 8 years, not 9
But the 2020 version came in 2019 see ;)
If you count 2012 and 2019, that's 9 years: 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. An easy error when doing math in your head.
I have the Raven model S and there is no way you get 600km out of a full charge. You will not be able to resist flooring it every 30 seconds because it so damn fun and that will drain your battery fast.
Do a video on all of the Tesla haters, naysayers getting burned down 😋
tesla has shit quality, can do 0-60 two times maximum and has the worst paint job in the car industry
BattlefrontGaming deep down you love it, why else would you be here?
Hmm something is off
2020-2012=8 years....
VeryNice But he’s not wrong
Your calculation is from 2013 -2020 😜. 2012 itself is also a year.
@@SirHackaL0t. im not wrong or the guy in the video?
@@bluebikerathar no, you dont count the 12 itself. And you count all the way to 20, its not the full year of 20 too. So only 8 years
2012 (1), 2013 (2), 2014 (3), 2015 (4), 2016 (5), 2017 (6), 2018 (7), 2019 (8), 2020 (9) - 9 Model Years.
What a throwback.
For providing both metrics and dumb US values, thanks! Thumbs up!
It’s different, not dumb. It would be easier if the whole world used the same measurements but we all are allowed our differences
@@SirHackaL0t. It's dumb as the whole world use the same system.
Only the yanks that makes it complicated (like most of the stuffs that are going wrong in the world actually.)
Hey, we love our mile!
@ miles sounds cool
Great video on a great car. One comment, the available tax credits have also diminished which negatively affects the final price.
That is a good point.
8 years XD
I guess you are technically right since 2020 is not here. I was counting Model Years: 2012(1), 2013(2), 2014(3), 2015(4) 2016(5) 2017(6) 2018(7) 2019(8) 2020(9). That is how I got to 9 years.
@@Cleanerwatt 2019 - 2012 = 8 years.
@@Cleanerwatt Oh, I see. Well I'm dumb.
@@verynice5574 no. my mind is everywhere recently. i missed it by a year.. that's sad.
You do understand that the 2012 battery pack cost around $1,000.00 a kWh and the 2020 battery pack is around $120.00 per kWh. So knowing that, it’s safe to say that the 2020 Tesla even with the new features should cost less than the 2012 model. Elon doesn’t want to destroy the resale value of the model S and that is why he keeps adding more features to it to keep the price similar to the 2012 model. You must know this because he made huge news when he tried to lower the cost of the model S and got tons of heat from current owners of the car and had to raise the price back up.
Americans... Straight line acceleration is not all
Lol yes we know.have you seen model s plaid??it was testing in the nurburgring since it's a track ready version.
@@andromeda9340 It broke down...I wouldnt call that "ready". It also used semi slicks.
What about improving the battery pack in 2020?
I’m thinking switching to 2170 cells, less heavy pack, different integration to the body and larger capacity (120 kWh perhaps).
Would have been the move to make for 2017. But they vastly under-ramped GF1. Still to this day import cells from Japan, nice and green.
The Model 3 generation packs are more advanced, but the cells themselves have been disappointing for energy density. that's not where the weight is being saved for now. Making the 5mm longer cells work in the upright position would in itself add 7.7% of energy capacity. A bit more really factoring in the ends of the cell. Larger modules free up floor space for cells. Cooling is probably less bulky. Now at around 105 kWh probably, 120 kWh for sure should be doable wit the same battery side.
But really, who needs it? With 100 kWh, well over 3C as Model 3, they'd charge at over 300 kW if the wiring were to allow it.
Tesla long claimed that more range was not needed. Why create more environmental impact for range no-one needs with a 120 kWh S/X and 200 kWh Roadster? So wasteful.
With a clever redesign the S could have a much more comfortable rear seat (foot bed to the floor) and plenty of range at under $5K over the Model 3. Would people buy a Model S at $45k, RWD, 220 mi range, two screens, comfortable seats, more cargo space? They would. Let along with an estate version. Look up what that can look like, people have done it.