Power Creep In Fighting Games

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  • @Songofwyrd
    @Songofwyrd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    "Use an ultimate skill." Cygames we are two seconds in the round, am I supposed to go to the bank and ask them to give me an advance on my meter? A little loaner I'll just pay back closer to the end of the round?

    • @user-bkey
      @user-bkey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      its so funny cuz even if u had the meter imagine having to use a super just cuz someone used a fireball

    • @amikawi
      @amikawi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      My character has some wack ultimate skills. Even with meter none of them are helping me with that fireball

    • @Songofwyrd
      @Songofwyrd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@amikawi My character has a literal fucking gun and is worse at projectiles than Guts - Prettyboy Edition

    • @amikawi
      @amikawi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Songofwyrd LOLL

    • @GetterRay
      @GetterRay 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's nothing like Guts but leave it to Berserk fans to have basically no idea about anything other than Berserk.@@Songofwyrd

  • @Franko_L_L
    @Franko_L_L 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    The Latif "You're carried" mod for the flashback is the best BY FAR

  • @zenine7286
    @zenine7286 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    There are two characters that can use health as a resource to buff their damage. One of them has the lowest health in the game, the other has above average HP. Fortunately, the health drain is not a core mechanic for one of them.
    Wait, it's the character that has above average HP?

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      POWER CREEP

    • @pribnow6225
      @pribnow6225 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And none of these Sieg players even use U that often if at all.

  • @DarkProdigy820
    @DarkProdigy820 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Commenting on every video before Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 109. Power creep within FGs is a really really interesting topic, would love to listen to you talk about it more.

  • @chidori7234
    @chidori7234 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I pick up GBVSR demo, main Siegfried, and then Jiyuna uploads a video on GBVSR featuring Siegfried a few hours later lol.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Siegfried was playable in the demo because of this match. They make the tournament winners that week's F2P rotation.

  • @justingoers
    @justingoers 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    GBFVR is my favorite fighting game since CVS2. I’m so in love with it.

  • @JalisR
    @JalisR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I feel like people don't have the same reaction to Sieg as they do to Nier and Seox due to him just having very good tools that don't otherwise seem to break the "rules" of the game, except maybe his fireball being really nuts. It's still a less obvious super strong tool compared to Nier 623H and Seox U wallcling.

  • @1337Sess
    @1337Sess 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I think some of Siegfried's stuff is silly with the ending lag. Even if you predict and dodge some of his moves he gets to punish you.

  • @xxalcarazxx
    @xxalcarazxx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Guard cancel resetting to neutral and being -2 would be nice the hkd is the biggest criminal part about it

  • @Thermalfusi0n
    @Thermalfusi0n 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    making access to power like this so easy was a great idea, i hope in the future we dont even need to play our fighters anymore, and we can just watch as we go button awesome button awesome button awesome !!! its not about the inputs guys !!!!

  • @amikawi
    @amikawi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That footage is actually 480p. That's goated

  • @ScaredEz
    @ScaredEz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    3:17 I’m so glad Jiyuna is mentioning this. Guard Cancel is going so under the radar. It’s my least favourite mechanic in the game with how risk free it is. Plus on block, hard knock downs, and really hard to bait. People are also using offensively just to keep the corner, it’s very non-interactive.

    • @0GTXR
      @0GTXR 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      The risk comes in the form of dying if you do a single mistake later

    • @ScaredEz
      @ScaredEz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@0GTXRThat’s true, it’s not completely risk free. You can always get guard points back through SBA, and when you’re less than half health you’re 1 hit from dying anyway. Especially if you’re in the corner and/or your opponent has meter.

    • @justingoers
      @justingoers 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There’s also the risk of doing it and just having the raging strike come out.

    • @Vsolid
      @Vsolid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it should be -6 not +6 and shouldn’t give you oki. Shit is Melty blood Hbunker on crack.
      It’s definitely not my least favorite system mechanic though, that would be SSBA removing 2 BP. If you guard cancel or use RS even once in a match and get hit by a random super somehow you are in the red and about to lose regardless of life lead beforehand.

    • @ckorp666
      @ckorp666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ive only played a bit on f2p and felt my eyes glazing over after the dozenth time someone mashed it in frame 1 of their blockstun, couldnt tell if this is just the game or if i'm supposed to learn some psychotic array of OSes to run basic offense (like KoF and MBTL, or - god forbid - DNF)

  • @strippinheat
    @strippinheat 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Just so you know, when you say he's using an easy input super, but it says "Good," that actually means he did the full motion. And you want to use full motion in neutral because of the damage bonus.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The reaction speed is worth more that 10% bonus.

  • @purifyws
    @purifyws 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    my R1 match at Frosty's was Guyman Siegfried. First match I won clean, but then he said "oh nah I'm Siegfried" and beat Katalina's ass
    haha nah he was good though. I think. Maybe

  • @Brghtestknght
    @Brghtestknght 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Siegfried and Metera being in the same game is hilarious

  • @_K-rad
    @_K-rad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Europe holding down that 240p

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Keeping the arcade spirit alive.

  • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
    @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Funny how you release this vid after I started playing the free edition and 2 days ago they let me use Siegfried which was one of the characters that I wanted to buy the whole game to play. Now I get to try him in the free edition and I love using him... and then you release this vid hahah! Weird timing! From the list of characters it was gonna be between: Siegfried, Belzeebub, Eustace Vaseraga and Licilius. But Visually it has been Siegfried, and now playing him I am even more convinced he is my main!

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sieg got released because of this tournament. They make the Top 3 the F2P characters of the week.

    • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
      @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI AAAHHH! That makes sense.

  • @kaigai-nikimajikoi325
    @kaigai-nikimajikoi325 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    It's like a breath of fresh air seeing a Grand Finals without a Nier or Seox lol

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Well... I have some bad news for you regarding tomorrow's video lol

  • @Uooooooooooooh
    @Uooooooooooooh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this thumbnail reminded me of when i was playing sets with percival against my friend who was on sieg. call it salt but it felt downright unfair to me how percival didn't have a single thing going for him over siegfried, siegfried just does everything better than him

  • @moonbeam2730
    @moonbeam2730 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    woah, even the big dogs are getting accidental raging strike

  • @shajita
    @shajita 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    As long as the Sig-nerfs doesn’t hit before my boy Vane does, I’m good.

  • @xaviersejour9183
    @xaviersejour9183 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Are you supposed DP through the firewall ?
    You cannot forward dodge or jump over it. I’ve just been walking backwards and blocking low but that means I’m getting closer to the corner. I could spot dodge but it’s usually really slow and I get stabbed in the foot.
    Man I just wish you can forward dodge every projectile. Dragon lasers and sheep included

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some Ultimate Skills work. Running forward and blocking works if you can’t interrupt.

  • @AegisRick
    @AegisRick 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tekken 8 now with heat has all kinds of chip damage. Even if it's recoverable, some characters are straight up brutal with it.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not a fan of Tekken heat system

    • @ckorp666
      @ckorp666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI looking forward to hearing ur thoughts in a launch day tekken video posted two months after launch day

  • @retrored
    @retrored 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What about the people who use the default color because they ARE the protagonist (beta food is the only one I can think of)

  • @Roaring__Moon
    @Roaring__Moon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like to use technical inputs for combos and easy inputs for reversals :D

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sig fireball is one of those things you could easily see being a super 😂

  • @brayenmorrison3199
    @brayenmorrison3199 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    First.....
    No Percival... ?

  • @ZioSerpe
    @ZioSerpe 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How dare you expose my checkmate Anila strategy of guard cancel into Ultimate flock of sheep

  • @xaviersejour9183
    @xaviersejour9183 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hate Sigfried. His firewall is annoying as sin. Close range feels like a guessing game like we’re pretty much just playing Rock Paper Scissors. And Sigfried is the character that wake up supers. Technically anyone can wake up super but Sigfried is the fuking poster boy for wake up super. Oh and because bullshit learning curve you technically can’t punish unblock unless you swing heavy. So to my knowledge I basically have to swing a heavy and then use a bravery point combo

    • @xaviersejour9183
      @xaviersejour9183 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On block. Not unblock

    • @xaviersejour9183
      @xaviersejour9183 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You know technically has a super where he recovers HP meaning he’s immune to chip damage. No one gives a s*it Because he’s gonna wake up super

  • @KhMaIBQ
    @KhMaIBQ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He is the strongest Dragon Knight, so it makes sense that he is OP. lol
    Siegfried rekka:
    L = Quick upward slash
    M = Counter stance with automatic follow-up on hit
    H = Spin slash
    U = Command grab
    Vane will probably be weaker than Siegfried.
    I turned off technical inputs. I'm all in on easy inputs.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lance is better than Sieg in game.

  • @papasfritas3853
    @papasfritas3853 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This character have Haomaru's moves 👀

  • @CosmicRPG
    @CosmicRPG 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sad that Dragoi dont make it to qualify for the Sieg army stopping him

  • @kagon01
    @kagon01 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I mix both commands because I am a boomer with an arcade stick.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I tend to do that too.

    • @Roaring__Moon
      @Roaring__Moon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. Except I’m on pad atm because my stick died not too long ago, lol.

  • @nicorobin7762
    @nicorobin7762 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    that’s why only buffs people are stupid. imagine if in sf6 every character was as ridiculous as ken/luke/deejay etc.

  • @Vsolid
    @Vsolid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Percival with full stocks is a kind of functioning character that is still weaker than Sieg at roundstart. Lol.
    Speaking of chip damage though, Percy 236U is fucking awesome. Too bad he sucks!

  • @RealKatTea
    @RealKatTea 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Melty Blood video waiting room
    Day: 3

    • @hotdog5927
      @hotdog5927 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      give up

  • @tavianfloyd6589
    @tavianfloyd6589 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Second best fighting game out right now. First is Tekken 8😜

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Tekken is really good.

    • @shiroufan5401
      @shiroufan5401 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Under night in birth 2

  • @CompressionPolice
    @CompressionPolice 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Characters like Seig make me wonder why Vaseraga has to be tuned down so hard

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’s still my hardest matchup

  • @thelaughingdragon32
    @thelaughingdragon32 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use anila color 14 with the black sheep spear

  • @MrWhiteKniight
    @MrWhiteKniight 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Chip damage is cool but you shouldnt be able to kill with it. Leave me at 1hp sure. But dying to projectile spam from across the screen as im blocking is cringe.

  • @Itachiflameamaterasu
    @Itachiflameamaterasu 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Zooey needs a BUFF, they did her dirty again.

  • @Maqso
    @Maqso 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you started talking but got sidetracked about siegfried's 5U, it was used like 3 time the entire set, it's completely ignorable. i think they need to lower his damage outside of buff state and buff his damage when he's in it to bring it back to current damage or something

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It seems really easy to use so not sure why more people don't just do it? Maybe his damage is already high enough so no need to worry about it

    • @cheesura485
      @cheesura485 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm late to the video but honestly in my experience I would only really get a stack if I knew I was safe to do so and I wouldn't get rushed down and punished for it (you can use it in some combos though)

  • @salimgarcia2297
    @salimgarcia2297 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Believe it or not, Tekken has the most amount of chip damage out of every recent FG 😂.

  • @AEspiral
    @AEspiral 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sieg is the only character that is pretty much minus in everything, oh, an Vaseraga. Could you mention his favorite matchups? Cause i can tell a lot of matchups that are pretty much auto loss for him. Over 2000k matches of experience. For instance, Sieg can't even move vs Lucilius, Nier i don't even need to talk about. Vira? LOL You never press a button again after she begin to attack.

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2000k matches, wow

    • @AEspiral
      @AEspiral 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ANIMEILLUMINATI ops, misspelling lol

  • @Stardustphantom97
    @Stardustphantom97 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Siegfried probably won't get kneecaped most because he's strong but honest. He has clear tells for what he's going to do and as a Siegfried player I know that when things don't go as planned you can lose a round quickly

    • @narue2840
      @narue2840 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      lol

    • @くるぐ黒差
      @くるぐ黒差 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      while percival is honest, but also weak

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I don't think he needs big nerfs. Worry about the Top 5 first

  • @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen
    @FrankTheDoomriderJohansen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So far I have enjoyed Granblue rising more than expected. Been so annoyed of MK 1 and SF6, deleted both and then Dld GBVR and I have had an overall good experience. If it wasn't for Avatar Belial, Nier, gimmicky Lowain, Yuel I would call it my new nr.1 fighting game. Depending on how it goes from here we will see. But those characters just makes me go... so we have these annoying characters here as well... great... zzz And still, so far it feels the most balanced in terms of overall mechanic after about 20 hours. So still early for me.

  • @Prodighee
    @Prodighee 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Siegfried is such a bully

  • @elijahoneill5228
    @elijahoneill5228 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a vas main get gud as i armor through everything

  • @amperiumx
    @amperiumx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I got perfected by this character last time I played.

  • @Rikuto01
    @Rikuto01 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I mean yea, it is real.... but you guys keep asking for characters to be "better", not "balanced", so....

    • @VileGlory
      @VileGlory 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Balance means nothing if the characters are weak and boring.

    • @Rikuto01
      @Rikuto01 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@VileGlory If its balanced they aren't weak. If balance is boring, its because you desire instant gratification instead of working for results. That's always been a personal, human problem. Not a game design problem.

    • @salimgarcia2297
      @salimgarcia2297 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Rikuto01 couldn't agree more mate.

    • @bizooty
      @bizooty 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Chad Astaroth wisdom

  • @johnwright-b2l
    @johnwright-b2l 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Power creep is a result of players learning a character and learning what to punish, let fly, and what the character can and cannot do for now.

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brother, percival has been powercrept, and I guarantee you it was not due to anything a player can do

    • @johnwright-b2l
      @johnwright-b2l 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bassbusterx patch notes

    • @bassbusterx
      @bassbusterx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@johnwright-b2lbrother, what patch notes, we had no rebalancing thus far

    • @johnwright-b2l
      @johnwright-b2l 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bassbusterx my mistake

    • @Songofwyrd
      @Songofwyrd 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah, power creep happens when existing kits see no consideration in design of new ones.
      Why play Percy or Kat when you can play Siege?

  • @DavimonVtube
    @DavimonVtube 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    OH NOOO. THE MOBA TERMS ARE COMING.

    • @Thermalfusi0n
      @Thermalfusi0n 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      powercreep is not even remotely exclusively linked to mobas

    • @ANIMEILLUMINATI
      @ANIMEILLUMINATI  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I know it from card games

  • @SoShiBias
    @SoShiBias 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Free gang here is free-ing.
    Get on people. It's FREE.