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Won't give you an award for this sponsor choice either, CL. This is a scam. The Hong-Kong lady living in York and running this company doesn't even have any official ties to the UK royalty. She doesn't even sell enough land area to make one a legitimate lord. All you get is a fancy paper on a frame. Then again, this is another instance on how I lament about this video site becoming a soulless show business more than anything. I am disappointed. Not mad, just disappointed at TH-camrs's greed.
Established Titles is a scam, none of what they promise is true. These sorts of scams have been going on for so long that Scotland has actually clarified it specifically for bozos who fall for scams.
Hi Criminally listed, sadly the Established Titles sponsor is a scam. These scammers are really good at duping people. Another channel has pointed out that this sponsor has little transparency with a massive push for sponsorship slots, ending with massive payouts. Please kindly look into these things , call them out and get them shut down x
They are a company based in Hong Kong. They aren't even Irish. It's a blatant scam. These TH-camrs dgaf though. He will continue to take their money just like the rest of them.
When the Mecklenburg brothers broke out my mother was working at the nearby grocery store while going to nursing school, she said it was haywire in Southside VA until they were caught
Omg! I've missed you! It has been forever since a video was suggested to me. Your voice and stories distracted me through some really tough times. That intro music is such a comfort trigger for me!
@@gregh7400 that comment is ridiculous cause there is truth to that ,but what they need to do is not let pedos out on probation or rapist.the hell wit the drugs
I'm glad this episode is back! YT was messing with me by saying this was a private video. It only took an hour for me to be able to watch this. Frikken YT is getting weird lately. Smh.
Hey, Drizzy, I appreciate you! I hope all is well with you, and I want to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, if you celebrate it! Lots of love back to you.💖🍂🍁🦃🙏😘
Never get tired of the generic copy and pasted comments of encouragement. I was having a terrible day but some random person made a comment addressed to literally anyone who reads it. Would anyone give a shit if this was written in a bathroom wall? - probably
A life sentence plus 100 years and he'll be eligible for parole in 12 to 15 years. What kind of judicial system does virgina have? I mean life plus 100 years.and your out in 12 to 15 years unbelievable.
Now, if the 6 guys took the smart idea they had to spray the fire extinguisher to make it look like smoke and did something with their life not involving crime, who knows where they’d be lol 😂😒
Whew, these stories are heartbreaking. The last one is just more crazy because it was more than one of them & killing a child, wt..🤦♀️💔 I'm truly glad they're wear they need to be. RIP Angel's 🕊🧩❤🌾 I'm cringing listening to this. Thank you for another great upload. Always told with perfection my friend. God bless 👑🙏🏻🕊🌹🌹
‘I just enjoyed having sunshine on me, smelling fresh air & drinking coca-cola’ aka he learned to love life’s simple pleasures (something he previously probably took for granted)/life on the outside is so much better than being locked up in a stinky cell.. But many keep re-offending (don’t care if I go back). I guess they’re just way too chaotic to ever appreciate life’s simple pleasures??
Established titles is a scam it says on there site it’s a joke gift so there title saying you’re a lord or lady isn’t legal or real, there getting into trouble for their claims
I don’t mean to be rude or disrespectful but did I really hear the 2nd guy, Robert Fieldmore Lewis, was born in 1947 and was 78 years old in 1976? 12:15 I feel terrible pointing it out. In my defence I love your channel and only wish to help.
Criminally Listed, I must say that the title of the video called “3 Cases of Death Row Inmates Escaping Prison” is extremely misleading pretty much basically like clickbait. The Mecklenburg Six *DID NOT* escape prison or even the death house while they were being put to death. Criminally Listed, I suggest you change your title.
That Trinity river gets em every time. Lost a convict to it while I worked a prison in Huntsville. Bonnie broke Clyde out of the Eastham unit which was the one I worked at.
Love the channel! It's too bad you're still plugging Established Titles despite having been informed that it is a SCAM. It takes away your respectability.
Those brothers sure didn't discriminate who they murdered. They were absolutely ruthless. I wish the inmate that hid the female guard saving her life could of been spared and just served life. For him to do that shows decency for sure. Maybe he could of been rehabilitated? Many have changed their lives, ways etc on death row. It's a very small percentage I'm sure but if they can show remorse and do some good for the world. I'm also for putting the true evil ones down asap instead of dragging it out for years, decades etc.
The last case with the brothers it was said that the only person they feared was their father . So it’s abit bizarre that he actually was scared of them to the point he padlocked his door at night . It seems that he could’ve kept them in line but choose not to for whatever reason seen as they had limited supervision. Once he saw they were going in the wrong direction why didn’t he do something
The oldest brother of the Briley family, Edward Jerome “Boot” Briley, decided to leave his family and live with his relatives in North Carolina. Perhaps he sensed the growing evil brewing in his younger brothers. Edward led a law abiding life and died at the age of 68 in 2020.
Yikes the titles ad is yuck. Established titles is a scam. Surprised you still work with them considering they’ve recently proven to be a scam. Definitely makes me think about watching your videos or not. Advertising for a scam.
Like the younger brother said. I had my 2 weeks, you all can NEVER take that away from me. I'm also glad they didn't hurt the female guard or any other person out in the city. They knew they will pay for there crime. They didn't add more victims to their list. RIP to all the victims from their original crime spree💙🕊
I had just phased out of Mecklenburg when the escape happened was on state farm with baby briley Mecklenburg was an extremely violent prison and the briley boys were ruthless convicts to say the least
Anthony Ray Briley is still incarcerated in the Virginia corrections system as of 2024. Duncan Meekins is apparently also still in prison, though he is housed in an out of state prison under a pseudonym for his own protection.
So sad this story of the horrible things. Not the IRS, but the poor guys just doing the job. Ppl really are making me sick. Glad my good times were in the late 60s and 70s.
This video was disappointing, I like the ones better where you talk about people who escaped and lived on the lam for 40 years, who were brought back to prison during retirement. It's kind of anti-climactic for them to escape and be rearrested immediately. Also, maybe this is just my opinion, but you don't have to go into excruciating detail about the crimes they committed to land in jail. One sentence each will do.
I agree to an extent.... The relatives of the victim should pull the lever, or push the button to enforce the death penalty. The fact that it's done by the state, employees of the state is too dehumanizing! People are people not cattle! And the state itself makes us all responsible when they get a case wrong. Let the victim's family enforce the death penalty meaning THEY pull the lever to activate the electric chair, THEY push the button that release's the gas in the gas chamber.... That's Justice.
can i be honest to yall? i dont want to sound mean but i love listening to your videos but i have so much trouble understanding this guy... i dont want to sound insensitive because maybe its something they really cant help. but i have bad hearing and i like drawing and listening to podcasts and story times and stuff, im not good at reading subs because theres something wrong with how my eye focusses, thats why im mostly drawing just focussed on one screen instead of with this video keep looking back to what the hell he just said. can we autotune him haha lmao im kidding but i do wish there was some solution because i love your videos a lot
Hey Criminally Listed I've been a big fan for a while now & I've noticed a thing or about your videos that I like & or don't like that I'd like to point out. 1 is the themes of your videos in my opinion have gotten a little wild or outlandish... I think you should keep it simple instead of finding 3 cases based around oddly specific crimes like these (hope you understand what I mean by this) I don't think my next point is necessarily negative but I just wanted to maybe maybe suggest doing a video themed around something like lesser know serial killers. You did a video one time about a serial killer or two that I hadn't even heard of or knew about & I thought it was one of your better videos also one of my favorites so idk I just thought I'd let you know these few things thanks if you read this my man
How does a death row inmate get his hands on a hacksaw? 🤣 i seriously hope the prison guards were charged or at least lost their jobs for being so fucking stupid in aiding an escape...
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@@dickdavidson3616 sometimes he sounds like he's had a lobotomy and that's why I listen to him at night when I'm tryna get my head down and he's norzed his dates and age of people up before when I've thought how could you get that wrong, you must know what you just said can't possibly be correct.
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I have not watched these videos for awhile now. I am watching it again!
I'm a sub for years my sons dick he might die could you put a link up for his fundraiser??
Won't give you an award for this sponsor choice either, CL. This is a scam. The Hong-Kong lady living in York and running this company doesn't even have any official ties to the UK royalty. She doesn't even sell enough land area to make one a legitimate lord. All you get is a fancy paper on a frame.
Then again, this is another instance on how I lament about this video site becoming a soulless show business more than anything. I am disappointed. Not mad, just disappointed at TH-camrs's greed.
@@nozoto This is correct, do some research. Established Titles is a Hong Kong company scam.
Established Titles is a scam, none of what they promise is true. These sorts of scams have been going on for so long that Scotland has actually clarified it specifically for bozos who fall for scams.
Hi Criminally listed, sadly the Established Titles sponsor is a scam. These scammers are really good at duping people. Another channel has pointed out that this sponsor has little transparency with a massive push for sponsorship slots, ending with massive payouts. Please kindly look into these things , call them out and get them shut down x
Why do they get payouts?
@@peterjongsma5297 buying the advertising slots
They are a company based in Hong Kong. They aren't even Irish. It's a blatant scam. These TH-camrs dgaf though. He will continue to take their money just like the rest of them.
@The Rationalist you do realize Scottish isn't Irish right?
When the Mecklenburg brothers broke out my mother was working at the nearby grocery store while going to nursing school, she said it was haywire in Southside VA until they were caught
01:58 - #3 Martin Gurule
11:36 - #2 Robert Fieldmore Lewis
19:11 - #1 The Mecklenburg Six
You rock!!!! 👋👍👏👐
36:51 There's a picture of a woman with robot legs if you pause it here. Lol
@@ParodyAccount_ well that sounds strange!! But now I need to really check that out. 😅 😂
@@RebeccaGallin Yeah he leaves behind some strange pictures in the outro sometimes lol. It only lasts 1 frame so you gotta pause at the right time.
@@ParodyAccount_ I never knew that!! I'm gonna check that out! Thank you! You rock too!! I hit the jackpot with both of you. 🤣😊❤️👍👋
I love you guys Criminally Listed. I hope you have a great and safe holiday.
Omg! I've missed you! It has been forever since a video was suggested to me. Your voice and stories distracted me through some really tough times. That intro music is such a comfort trigger for me!
It's a messed up justice system that can parole a murderer sentenced to over 100 years , in just 12 years.
Yet they lock ppl up for non violent drug crimes for decades.
@@garrettromer8499 They should just legalize drugs and let them all out of prison.
Only in America.
@@gregh7400 that comment is ridiculous cause there is truth to that ,but what they need to do is not let pedos out on probation or rapist.the hell wit the drugs
@@onlymebaby.9249 nope
CL. You always know when I need a new episode!!! Thanks!!!!
I'm glad this episode is back! YT was messing with me by saying this was a private video.
It only took an hour for me to be able to watch this.
Frikken YT is getting weird lately. Smh.
Can you imagine being a killer but having a fear of needles? What a 🐱
i had a chuckle at that 😂 what a baby
And citing that as a reason he was afraid to be put to death?
I’ve heard Established Titles are a bunch of crooks!!!
bless this channel for the content it uploads.
this channel never disappoints.
I'm glad to see longer videos back again!
At 16:21 all I could do was chuckle because SHITT that’s alot of effort 🤣🤣🤣.
Never thought about this topic before!! Glad you’re always doing these new ones too!!!
The sponsor is a scam. I'm sure CL didn't know. Please find another way to support CL
Hey you.yeah you. If you're reading this hope all is well and have a great day please. Love you all
who me?
Hey, Drizzy, I appreciate you! I hope all is well with you, and I want to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving, if you celebrate it!
Lots of love back to you.💖🍂🍁🦃🙏😘
You also.. God Bless.
Thank you same back to you ❤️☺️
Never get tired of the generic copy and pasted comments of encouragement.
I was having a terrible day but some random person made a comment addressed to literally anyone who reads it.
Would anyone give a shit if this was written in a bathroom wall? - probably
A life sentence plus 100 years and he'll be eligible for parole in 12 to 15 years. What kind of judicial system does virgina have? I mean life plus 100 years.and your out in 12 to 15 years unbelievable.
and?
They have have changed that since. Now everybody have to serve 85 percent of their sentence.
The Briley Brothers were absolute animals.
Animals don’t kill for sport or profit.
Humans do.
You should research the Zebra killings in Kansas. Another group of depraved dark men, raping and killing for fun.
@@77Creation could’ve kept that shit to yourself
The joke about getting kicked out of your house was hilarious. Rub the Lord's feet 😅. Thanks for the laugh.
Hey man, established titles is a scam brother, you should stop promoting them. :(
Now, if the 6 guys took the smart idea they had to spray the fire extinguisher to make it look like smoke and did something with their life not involving crime, who knows where they’d be lol 😂😒
how'd the brothers keep being let out of jail to begin with
Thank-you CL and happy holidays crime family 🥰
Shouldn't take a million years after being fully proven guilty to enact the damn penalty.
If those monstrous brothers was under surveillance why the hell did the police allow them to murder that last family smh 🤦
Thanks, Robert.
Whew, these stories are heartbreaking. The last one is just more crazy because it was more than one of them & killing a child, wt..🤦♀️💔
I'm truly glad they're wear they need to be. RIP Angel's 🕊🧩❤🌾
I'm cringing listening to this.
Thank you for another great upload. Always told with perfection my friend.
God bless 👑🙏🏻🕊🌹🌹
I have to admit that I got a chuckle from the guy that went to Disneyland after the escape
He said it was LIKE Disneyland
They could literally make Those brothers’ story into a legit HORROR FILM😮
‘I just enjoyed having sunshine on me, smelling fresh air & drinking coca-cola’ aka he learned to love life’s simple pleasures (something he previously probably took for granted)/life on the outside is so much better than being locked up in a stinky cell..
But many keep re-offending (don’t care if I go back). I guess they’re just way too chaotic to ever appreciate life’s simple pleasures??
A great video as always! Thanks mate!
I guess they were like, hey we don't have anything to lose and much the gain by escaping.
I want to like this but the grammar won't let me
@@RepPolska get over it
@@quanbrooklynkid7776...huh what...who tf are you? Oh your panties in a wedgie...that sucks
This channel never disappoints ❤
I bought one of them pet rocks once. I couldn't teach it one damned trick. I ain't falling for that Scottish Lord scam!
yeah I googled it, scam ! They're just waiting to part fools from their money for a worthless piece of pretty paper.
Taught my rock to sit and stay,it was darn good at it.
Love this channel and have for years but I would look into Established Titles as they have been found to be a scam.
Sponsor is a scam. FYI
Established titles is a scam it says on there site it’s a joke gift so there title saying you’re a lord or lady isn’t legal or real, there getting into trouble for their claims
show starts 1:58
From what I understand the establish titles is a scam. It’s some scam that’s coming out of Hong Kong.
Long day of work reward unlocked
Alright now we are talking my crime Tuesday is almost complete
How was those people killed while the perpetrators were under surveillance?
Maybe someone was sleeping on the job...
@@kimwalsh yeah! Like incompetence is the understatement of the year
Interesting cases! Apart from the last. LOL!!!
How to fix the justice system? Eliminate parole. True sentencing. You get life, that means you leave in a body bag.
I don’t mean to be rude or disrespectful but did I really hear the 2nd guy, Robert Fieldmore Lewis, was born in 1947 and was 78 years old in 1976? 12:15 I feel terrible pointing it out. In my defence I love your channel and only wish to help.
I caught that too
Math isn't his strongest subject
Math isn't his strongest subject
Math isn't his strongest subject
Math isn't his strongest subject
Criminally Listed, I must say that the title of the video called “3 Cases of Death Row Inmates Escaping Prison” is extremely misleading pretty much basically like clickbait. The Mecklenburg Six *DID NOT* escape prison or even the death house while they were being put to death. Criminally Listed, I suggest you change your title.
So Criminally Listed made up the Mecklenburg escape?? Sounds like he had legit info. Geez. Watch the whole video before yo comment. Lmfao. 😳🙄
Huh?
@@Aqua.man045 I’m confused as well….
Troll alert
Criminally listed should rebut this nave.
That Trinity river gets em every time. Lost a convict to it while I worked a prison in Huntsville.
Bonnie broke Clyde out of the Eastham unit which was the one I worked at.
You don't have much of a chance against mother nature if your not well prepared. Even then it's tough.
Was Lewis really 78 year's old when perpetrating the crimes? Time stamp (12:11)
Love the channel! It's too bad you're still plugging Established Titles despite having been informed that it is a SCAM. It takes away your respectability.
Your sponsor is a scam, in case you weren’t made aware yet.
DYING at that ad read. I laughed out loud.
You do a great story telling job. Kudos!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
THIS is what I'm talkin about👏🍻😂🥃
Need more commentary like #1!!! Muah, molto bene!!
Thanks CL🖤
Congratulations Lord criminally listed, Yay! 😊
His friend was upset with him for robbing the same bank twice he turned him in. That's for getting tunnel vision.
I hope you heard about this sponsee and how every creator is dropping them due to shady business practices. Just wanted to let you know!
Shady!... that's putting it lightly. A Chinese company scamming people, they don't have any ties to Scotland, it's definitely a bad deal
Thanks for the upload! Video starts at 1:58.
Thanks for the video CL
the third one just really ruined my night. just disgusting💔
Thank you for another interesting and gripping video thank you!!
Lame ad in the beginning. Established Titles is a SCAM
Those brothers sure didn't discriminate who they murdered. They were absolutely ruthless.
I wish the inmate that hid the female guard saving her life could of been spared and just served life. For him to do that shows decency for sure. Maybe he could of been rehabilitated? Many have changed their lives, ways etc on death row. It's a very small percentage I'm sure but if they can show remorse and do some good for the world. I'm also for putting the true evil ones down asap instead of dragging it out for years, decades etc.
Oh yeah another great video!!
Thank you my lord for the good content
the sponsor is a scam btw
Prozac was a scam to so what's your point??
The last case with the brothers it was said that the only person they feared was their father . So it’s abit bizarre that he actually was scared of them to the point he padlocked his door at night . It seems that he could’ve kept them in line but choose not to for whatever reason seen as they had limited supervision. Once he saw they were going in the wrong direction why didn’t he do something
They were crazy af psychos. No amount of supervision was ever going to change that.
The oldest brother of the Briley family, Edward Jerome “Boot” Briley, decided to leave his family and live with his relatives in North Carolina. Perhaps he sensed the growing evil brewing in his younger brothers.
Edward led a law abiding life and died at the age of 68 in 2020.
Im from Richmond Va and went to Va Union University. I’ve never heard this story and it caught me off guard. I was in awe. 😮 I love this channel 🙌🏽🙌🏽
I also went to VUU 👀👀
This established titles thing. Sure didnt age well. 😬😬😳
Yikes the titles ad is yuck. Established titles is a scam. Surprised you still work with them considering they’ve recently proven to be a scam. Definitely makes me think about watching your videos or not. Advertising for a scam.
Hopefully you’ll drop them because I absolutely love this channel and videos ! But definitely can’t support a scam.
@@destinyheath6583, 😂 it's only a scam if re-tards buy into it. Every consumer has the responsibility to do their due diligence.
Destiny yuck can't stand to yucky yucky destiny can't stand to yucky. Just yucky destiny absolutely yucky.
Colt Delta Elite? That is some expensive 10mm firearm for a criminal, definitely stolen.
Like the younger brother said. I had my 2 weeks, you all can NEVER take that away from me. I'm also glad they didn't hurt the female guard or any other person out in the city. They knew they will pay for there crime. They didn't add more victims to their list. RIP to all the victims from their original crime spree💙🕊
People like him make me wish torture was legal
I had just phased out of Mecklenburg when the escape happened was on state farm with baby briley Mecklenburg was an extremely violent prison and the briley boys were ruthless convicts to say the least
@21:20 “I heard she had heart problems. She would have died soon, anyway.”
You could've mention one last meal or last words from them
Anthony Ray Briley is still incarcerated in the Virginia corrections system as of 2024. Duncan Meekins is apparently also still in prison, though he is housed in an out of state prison under a pseudonym for his own protection.
Oh, snap, I live in Richmond! I'm only a few miles from Highland Park. Freaking crazy.
36:51 There's a picture of a woman with robot legs if you pause it here. Lol
Blatant plagiarism of the 90s movie The Fight Club.
Horrific 😢 those poor victims
So sad this story of the horrible things. Not the IRS, but the poor guys just doing the job. Ppl really are making me sick. Glad my good times were in the late 60s and 70s.
Why was it private earlier??
This video was disappointing, I like the ones better where you talk about people who escaped and lived on the lam for 40 years, who were brought back to prison during retirement. It's kind of anti-climactic for them to escape and be rearrested immediately.
Also, maybe this is just my opinion, but you don't have to go into excruciating detail about the crimes they committed to land in jail. One sentence each will do.
Return to death penalty would save millions of tax dollars & decrease prison populations.
I agree.
Unfortunately, leftists have more compassion for murderers than for the victims and their relatives mourning them.
I agree to an extent.... The relatives of the victim should pull the lever, or push the button to enforce the death penalty. The fact that it's done by the state, employees of the state is too dehumanizing! People are people not cattle! And the state itself makes us all responsible when they get a case wrong. Let the victim's family enforce the death penalty meaning THEY pull the lever to activate the electric chair, THEY push the button that release's the gas in the gas chamber.... That's Justice.
Death row appeals are long, arduous and expensive, do away with them.
warning: established titles is a scam!
Fan from NY
Damn the hair on black dude's back then is creepy looking. 🤯🤭😳😳😳
Did you mean 1971 and not 1871 ?
They tied a dead guy up? Did anyone else catch that in the first case?
A rope around the wrist. Probably I'm assuming so that he wouldn't continue floating down the river.... No one is gonna "tie up" a dead man.
Yes maybe out of shear terror of a zombie retribution.
can i be honest to yall? i dont want to sound mean but i love listening to your videos but i have so much trouble understanding this guy... i dont want to sound insensitive because maybe its something they really cant help. but i have bad hearing and i like drawing and listening to podcasts and story times and stuff, im not good at reading subs because theres something wrong with how my eye focusses, thats why im mostly drawing just focussed on one screen instead of with this video keep looking back to what the hell he just said. can we autotune him haha lmao im kidding but i do wish there was some solution because i love your videos a lot
I noticed it a lot in this video, too. 😕
He is all over the place in his vids. Some vids he is talking 100 miles a minute and in other vids he's talking so slow and lethargic, like mush mouth
Fan from Long Island, NY.
That's where my family is from!! 14 Walnut Street in Lake ronkonkoma, I think they later changed it to Lake grove?
Pour some liquor out for the ones who managed to escape.
1:58
Hey Criminally Listed I've been a big fan for a while now & I've noticed a thing or about your videos that I like & or don't like that I'd like to point out.
1 is the themes of your videos in my opinion have gotten a little wild or outlandish... I think you should keep it simple instead of finding 3 cases based around oddly specific crimes like these (hope you understand what I mean by this)
I don't think my next point is necessarily negative but I just wanted to maybe maybe suggest doing a video themed around something like lesser know serial killers.
You did a video one time about a serial killer or two that I hadn't even heard of or knew about & I thought it was one of your better videos also one of my favorites so idk I just thought I'd let you know these few things thanks if you read this my man
How does a death row inmate get his hands on a hacksaw? 🤣 i seriously hope the prison guards were charged or at least lost their jobs for being so fucking stupid in aiding an escape...
I love the replenished trees. Yes I’m a tree lover! I love all natural things. Especially animals. I love them so much. Wish I was a billionaire so I could help them ALL. Especially the blind, the ageing, the blind ETC. then I kick the asses of those who run puppy mills
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Earl Clanton not Eric
Hey guy's!
“Mar Garule”??
78yr old Lewis, you sure about that one 🤔 😏 😉
In 1976, born 1898 😳. Does the narrator sound a bit sleep deprived or is just me?
@@dickdavidson3616 sometimes he sounds like he's had a lobotomy and that's why I listen to him at night when I'm tryna get my head down and he's norzed his dates and age of people up before when I've thought how could you get that wrong, you must know what you just said can't possibly be correct.
Shoutout to Kenneth McDuff my grandpa! Only person on Texas death row 2 times!
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He was definitely a pioneer...In a way