Oh yes my friend! The MP-110 all the way, and honestly I just love the price point for what you get out of it. It's a reminder of great products that do exist and don't have to break the bank. Great videos as always!
I thought the Blue was a bit more harsh in the high end, with greater sibilance, whereas the MP 110 sounded more even and balanced (and accurate). I imagine that based on your set-up, the Blue would result in listening fatigue (due to the accentuated high frequencies, and compressed upper mid-range), more quickly than with the Nagaoka. But maybe the Blue would be a great cartridge to use when listening to pop and rock, as well as classical material that has a lot of strings. Excellent comparison video; I wish all cartridge reviews on TH-cam were done like this. Thanks!
I use them on a Technics SL 1300 MK2 and I have to say that it depends on the recordings, on some discs I prefer Nagaoka over other 2M Blue. Great video, thanks.
I honestly preferred subject A at the end, I heard more detail and clarity. But both cartridges are great for what they are worth. I hope to own both someday! Another point is depending on what you hear vs. how one other person hears music...something to ponder!
Same thing here, this is so weird! Initial comparison the Blue was obvious winner. Then the 110 won the blind test hands down. It almost makes no sense, I would have swear that B was the blue. It seems like the 110 recording could have a compressor on the recording to outperform the blue. This test is confusing and I don't know about Audiorpheus legitimacy.
@@gravelfreemanThat’s a cheap shot. “It’s not that I came into this with confirmation bias, it’s that the results were tampered!” Embarrassing. Also, nobody ever says to add extra compression to make it “sound better” lol Anything past minimal control is too much.
Now this one the one Ive really been waiting for. Will take my time and listen carefully on this one to see if the rumors are true about it being equally as good, just different.
I chose the Blue in the blind test, and I preferred it in the initial comparison. I like how open and spacious it sounds. I personally own the Blue, and I'm glad that me preference in the blind test supported my choice. Thanks for comparing these 2 rad carts!
This was interesting. My bias was towards the MP-110 because it's been raved about, has a great price-to-performance ratio, and I've long wanted it. So, in the non-blind phase I felt the Blue had more detail but sounded harsh, while the Nagaoka had a smoother sound signature. Then during the blind test I guessed the two cartridges backward and preferred A (the Blue) for the same reasons I preferred the Nagaoka in the first phase. Haha... ye old brain!
The same, but in reverse. Liked the 2M (I have one btw) over the Nagaoka, but in the blind test I went for B (Nagaoka) My guess is it's a combination of the music and the 'noise' at the beginning of the transition.
@@Faxie83 I really wonder how well we can judge the differences of the two cartridges hearing it as we are on TH-cam and not in the same room as the speakers?
@@Faxie83 Yes, but coming out of the speaker in my MacBook (or even ear plugs) can never represent what I'd hear if the sound were coming out of my Sansui 1500's. I especially notice this when I stream FM stations versus listening to it thru my receiver and speakers. But, mostly, it's my older ears, I'm sure.
@@24carrera Hi. Yes I've tried lots of cartridges in my time. Maybe Its just my taste but I don't like the Audio Technica or Ortofon family sound which could be classed as modern sounding (On the bright side). The Denon DL 110 cartridge is beautifully smooth and even handed and the Nagoaka MP 150 notably improves on the MP110 bringing clarity, focus and better treble extention. That would be my choice for a natural but still exciting sound.
Thanks for the video! I have been considering upgrading my 2M Red to the Blue stylus for a few months now. I came across the Nagaoka MP-110 while reading 2M Blue reviews and it made me reconsider. I chose sample "B" during the blind test each time and am impressed by the tracking test, too! Will likely choose the MP-110 when the time is right. I have read many times that the Nag is exceptional when handling inner grooves and is near ideal for older LPs. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
I preferred the Blue during blind test and non-blind test. The Nagaoka has more room or air... In the blind test it felt like blue was in the studio with the singer, nagaoka was in a larger hall with a nice reverb
I've got both and in my solid state set up I loved the Nag, simply because it had more mid bass and warmth and is sympathetic to recordings especially if they have a harsh brightness. You could say it is a bit closed in in the upper frequencies. However having added a tube amp in place of my solid state, the ortofon is way better suited. The Nag was just too closed in and wasn't expressive enough in mid treble and treble. If your system is neutral to cold, the Nag is perfectly fine. If your system is warm and full sounding, the 2M will bring up detail the Nag just can't illuminate. Like all things hifi, synergy is the key. None is better than the other. I'd say the perfect combination of both might be the Denon DL-110.
your comment is the best, it brings up so well that we can't really do A-B comparisons with equipment that is in fact quite close to each other in performance. Both are very good no doubt, but different systems, different amps, preamps, phono preamps, speakers, turntables and cables....? Every system is a blend. One item might sound better in system A but not in system B... I was even reading a great article at 6 Moons about cables, stating that the cables even sound different in different systems!....So as you said, synergy and actually an endless hobby....thanks and Cheers, Mario
@@MarioCavolo agreed! I truly think people align themselves with certain hyped gear based on tribal association as well, you know the MP110 as the underdog giant killer. But it could be that most lower end gear and speakers could do with some bottom warmth and taming of upper frequency harshness. So claiming a black and white victor is hard to justify. I guarantee the MP110 in a balanced or tame set up will sound terribly boring. Put it in a rough set up that needs taming, you get a very different outcome. And judging analogue turntable cartridges via compressed digital videos recorded most likely digitally and absolutely converted into digital media is CRAZY. It might give you some idea of characteristics, but by the mere fact of recording it into digital compression, characteristics are changed. Put those two carts through your actual hifi through speakers and preamps and room acoustics and cables, then you have a very complex set of issues to sort through as to whether one cart is better than another. It's just not black and white I guess is what I'm saying.
Great assessment. The quality of the amp is going to be key for sound quality. There's a reason manufactures started making CDs that were highly compressed in the late 90's. They sound good in cars and cheaper stereo equipment. People with mediocre setups may prefer bassy, loud stylus/cart combos.
Picked B, the Nag. It is really an awesome cartridge for the money. I have the MP-110 on my Project Debut Carbon. I had the Ortofon red, but was really disappointed in the sound. The MP-110 was a huge upgrade.
In the 1st record I noted little difference, in the second record there was more separation detectable. in the blind test I chose A, I really wanted to prefer the Nagaoka due to it's reputation and price but there is no denying the quality of the Ortofon. Both sound fantastic. Super video, Thanks
The 2m Blue sounded better. Vocals were clearer and more airy. I have the Blue, but was thinking of switching to the 110. I think I’ll stick with the blue after watching this, or step up to the MP-150. I’m sure the 110 is fantastic for the price, but this test reveals its shortcomings, in that it sounds slightly more muffled in the mid and upper range.
Quality video - great job on the comparison. I picked the Ortofon Blue in the blind test. It sounded cleaner, more open, and more detailed in the high end and vocals. People are saying the Nagaoka sounds "fuller" but to me it's the muddiness that's creating a meshed soundscape that may sound warmer or less disparate in poor compositions. I would definitely go Blue for a quality produced/mastered record, and the Nagaoka for a party.
I have used several cartridges and the MP-110 is more forgiving on order records and doesn't skip on slightly scratched records like other cartridges I have used. Also it does have a full sound and for those on a budget, it is the best bang for the buck.
The listening test here isn't going to reproduce the stereo sound stage that these moving iron cartridges have. I've always went straight back to one of my Stanton moving iron cartridges 680/681 and now L747S TP4 p-mount in my Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play. The SL-7 had a Ortofon tm14 it sounded good, but nothing like the Stanton sound stage. The MP-110 is on my wish list. It would be nice in my Philips 212 Electric and the 0.4 × 0.7 would be very forgiving like the old Stanton 680 el .
I feel like my ear has served me well over the years... and to be honest, given the limitations of the platform, there really isn't a significant difference between the two as presented... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that its not significant through TH-cam... now $100 isn't really that much money relatively speaking so you really have to take a broader view and think about the weight of the cartridge and the rest of your set up... but for what its worth, I just ordered the Nagoaka... that being said I have a very nice Dual 1229 in another set up and I ordered the Ortofon Red cartridge for that...
I knew immediately that A was the 2M Blue. The vocals are far better and more clearer on the 2M versus the MP-110, and I honestly love it more for that same reason. To me, the MP-110 sounds like a good quality record player, while the 2M sounds like you're actually there in the recording studio or at a live concert.
I preferred the more open sound from the 2M Blue in general. The MP-110 sounds more colored in the bass, although that can be nice for certain records. The blind test sample didn't have all that much going on in the high frequencies, but had plenty of bass. This worked well with the MP-110. If you would have chosen a sample with more high frequencies in it (like cymbals) the Blue would have sounded better.
'A' won out for me but honestly, the two were so close and both are so enjoyable I couldn't really pick a winner over the other. The Nagakoa impressed with its lower price point. For that reason alone I'll probably replace my 2M Blue with the 110 when the time comes. But having bought the Fluance RT-85 with the Blue was a better move than buying it with the Nagakoa 110.
Thank you for your efforts. In my mind there is no better way of comparing one product against another. Well done, & most helpful! I will add the mp110 to my setup, as I find (for me) it to give the best, & most "good" for the money. After more research than I want to admit to, I'm calling it a solid investment.
@@fuckinellitsraymo I would think it's because that is how that person was introduced to Vinyl? Maybe its a very familiar sound to them. I say this because I could identify with that sound. A bit muffled, a bit "warmer"? The Blue was very clear. Almost a bit too much for me in the mid to upper mid range. Kinda like the difference between a slid state amp and a tube amp in my opinion. This is kind finny because I just listened to the Red 2 against the same Nag and I would say the exact same thing as above in that comparison.
I feel as though the Blue is only very slightly more bright, making for a less muddy image you could say. For the A and B blind test I really coudlnt pick any one of them. They really are closely matched and might just have slight EQ changes in the sound, the Nag having more low end while the Blue is crisper.
Nagaoka for me, I picked B in the blind test and my experience has been super positive with the MP-110 (I own one). Overall, it's one of the best cart, especially for the price. Very smooth and nice.
Whatever the subtle differences, the blue is surely not worth so much more than the Nag? I actually thought the blue had a fraction more detail and that possibly the Nag was slightly smoother. But Oh so subtle. I'm sure I could live with either.
Ortofon traces HF with more top octave energy as I would expect with it's fine profile stylus. Ortofon's bass is also a bit richer... but it also sounds leaner (even slightly pinched) in the midrange while the Nagaoka sounds to me the more full and natural in the mids. Either one is a good choice depending on TT, phono preamp, other ancilliaries and recordings.
i picked b and i am happy now especially now that i have the Nagaoka MP-110 on amazon delivery i upgraded my 3rd turntable from a stock cartridge to the NAg . Cannot wait for doing a deep dive into my vinyl this Saturday WHooooooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😎👍
Excellent video, just what I was looking for. I have the Shure M97xE, which has been discontinued. It's sound profile is a bit sharp like the Blue, and I was looking for something "warmer." I definitely liked B more, so it looks like I'll be buying the 110!
The Blue's soundstage was larger and with better definition of elements. The 110 was more upper mid/treble forward, which for some equates to better sound.
I'm most amazed that I could tell which on is which even with my crappy laptop speakers. Not sure though, whether I prefer the clarity of the Ortofon or the smoothness of the Nagaoka...
I would much rather upgrade to the MP-150 for that amount of money. Would smoke that Blue with ease. I use the MP-200 myself, and is very happy with that. Insane soundstage, resolution and base control. Best MM cartridge as far as I'm concerned.
I was wondering about the sound stage. I am still using a Stanton 681 . Those are moving iron,,, so are the Nagaoka. The Stanton moving iron series has a amazing sound stage.. I believe the moving iron type cartridge has an inherent element in its design that puts them in a class by itself. I have considered the MP-110 as a secondary cartridge. The 0.4 × 0.7 elliptical stylus has some advantages with many of my old records. Recently I needed a TP4 p-mount and Nagaoka doesn't seem to offer it as such. Fortunately I discovered that the Stanton L747S is the moving iron TP4 p-mount and completely compatible with all 680/681 styli. Since installing the L747S my Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play is my daily driver. The Ortofon tm14 was good, but I just preferred the Stanton that was on my Philips 212 electric. I can see the MP-110 as a good fit for the Philips even though the sound stage may fall short of the Stanton. But then the Stanton is a high hurtle to match....not many and would need to go to a MP-150 that's just not in my budget.
I have owned both. I actually sold my 2m blue and replaced it with the MP-110. Listening to the A B comparison I still managed to choose the 2M blue as having the better, more detailed sound. How then, did I end up swapping one for the other ? - Over extended listening the 2M was giving me a sound not far removed from the digital sound of my Audiolab CD player. Conversely the MP-110 sound was slightly warmer and softened and offered an "Analogue" sound which felt easier on the ear. Ultimately, it's down to personal choice and listening preferences.
Comparing these two cartridges as an upgrade on my Debut Carbon. In the blind test in this vid I definitely liked the sound of B better. Thanks Audiorpheus!
In this test, I prefer the Ortofon Blue, due to the more revealing top end and more punch and accuracy throughout. But I think it mostly depends on your setup. If you have very sensitive and revealing speakers then the Blue might be too harsh, and the more warm, smooth sound of the Nagaoka would win. If your speakers are a tad warm, the more revealing or detailed sound of the Blue might be preferable.
That is something a lot of people do not consider - the listening chain as a whole. You are right about how you can influence speaker sound with a cartridge - I have rather warm and bassy speakers that would do well with a cartridge that offers a sleeker, contoured low end and a detailed top end, maybe even with a Shibata or Microline stylus tip. And then there's the RIAA EQ curve in the phono preamp which can really mess things up. Also, the turntable RCA cable capacitance can have an influence on that. If there is an electrical mismatch, all kinds of things might happen.
Update: I just watched this TH-cam video on my TV/soundsystem. I notched up the subwoofer and now prefer the Ortofon. The vocals sounded cleaner and had a beautiful air to them that the MP-110 was missing. The bigness and bass of the MP-110 was too much after bumping up my subwoofer but it gave the Ortofon the bottom it was missing when I originally watched this in my studio on the computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They were so different to my ears. Like you said, the MP-110 was more full but also had a bit of a "woof"/lower midrange bump that the Ortofon didn't have. My ears would probably get used to bottom end of the Ortofon - a bottom end that was easily heard with the MP. The Ortofon had a way of letting the music breathe though. It gave it a light feel. When you EQ out the "woof" of the MP, that's what you get. More air. Mixing engineers use that technique. So If I'm listening to music with lots of bottom end, I'd go with the Ortofon. If I'm listening to something that wasn't mastered so great or lacking a bit of bottom end, I'd go with the MP. It would be fun to have both and see if I can get the best of both worlds with one or another using an equalizer. And if you held a gun to my head today and made me choose, I'd probably go with the MP. If I had a lot of old Blue Note LPs in my collection, I'd go with the Ortofon and start by bumping +2dB at 100Hz on my EQ and I think that the bass would be right there. They both sounded really good! Great shootout!
I had an RT85 with the Ortofon Blue for a few years and loved it. I sold off my collection and turntable a year or so ago. I've been thinking about getting back into it though. I always loved the Ortofon cart, but if the Nagaoka is better, I will certainly try that this time.
This is crazy ... I set up my denon receiver to stereo and put my bass at a modest setting.. using psb speakers ... While I'm not sure what quality this TH-cam recording is at, I played this at -25 db with expectations that I would like the Naga based on what I heard others say (bass, body warmth, smooth). Thank you for this .. do more with other cartridges. I'm sure you can get the companies to sponsor your tests.
I have an audioquest moving coil cartridge that I been listening to since 1985. Tomorrow I am going to remove it from my AR turntable and install my recently purchased nagaoka mp 110 cartridge. The audioquest has gotten dull sounding and needs replacing.
How did that work out ? The moving iron cartridges all have cartridges a sound that is in a class of their own. I have considered moving coil but they aren't in a budget a bicycle mechanic has. I have been using a Stanton 681 since 1978. And yes tried many others the moving iron ones were more to my liking and the Stanton is best. Still using a Stanton L747S ( essentially a 681. but it's in my Technics SL-7 and needed a p-mount TP4) with an aftermarket bonded hypereliptical. Not going to be using up that nude Steriohedron as a daily driver. Thinking the MP-110 would be a nice compliment to my Philips 212 Electric.
I thought the 2M was a bit brighter and a little more detailed. The MP-110 had more of a warmer sound. I have the MP-110 and I like it, but I did like the sound of the 2M though. For half the money, I'll stick with my Nagaoka.
Me too. I have at least 800-1000 hrs on my mp-110. Considering an upgrade or a simple cart replacement. I dont think I hear any degradation, and I do only play very clean records. Hmm
Had the 2M blue and hated it. Switched to the Nagaoka MP-110 and haven't looked back. The 2M blue may have been technically more accurate but lacked any warmth and caused ear fatigue. It was more like listening to a CD than vinyl. The Nagaoka has all the magic that makes me want to listen to vinyl in the first place. My stylus is getting toward the end of its life now and I think I will upgrade to the MP-200.
It's the moving iron sound and sound stage. There is something to it. I have listened to many different moving iron and moving magnet cartridges. My preferred ones are all moving iron. My Stanton 681 still stands as my daily driver. I've had the Stanton since 1978 and many have been breifly on my turn tables but not long a Stanton was getting the daily use again. I'm a little curious about the Nagaoka MP-110 stylus life. I've always gotten over 500 hours and the Steriohedron much longer close to a 1000 , long enough to completely loose track and saying to myself it's been a few years now. , better get a new one. Anyway have a back stock of new styli for the Stanton. Still would like to give MP-110 a chance. . It would look perfect on my Philips 212 electric. Currently my Technics SL-7 and Stanton L747S (681 p-mount TP4) gets daily use and no the nude Steriohedron is being saved for reference . The bonded hypereliptical is close enough for daily.
Another guy does amazing cartridge comparisons with loads of different styles of music. You should compare on very stiff, deep and striking bass (where you can hear the 'pluck'). There, Nagaoka really shines.
Brilliant Testing! A+ Thank you. I prefer option B as it sounds warmer and more of what I am used to with my usually muddy records lol. The Blue is actually too crispy for me which sounds crazy but that is what I like. Also, I don't think you answered if you have a new favorite with the Blue now?
The Blue is the cartridge I received on my Fluance RT84. I can tell the BLue picks up more of the highest register offering a bit more clarity and presence.
In the end for me it comes down to economics. I liked the detail and cleaner sounds of the blue, but not worth the extra money. I have the NAG110 and happy with it. It exceeds the price point, but if money was no object, I would buy the blue and probably will, just a bit concerned that the extra brightness might get old or fatiguing. Will see, Thanks for great viedo.
Both very good. When I listened blind, I thought I heard more definition in the bass with A. Listen carefully to the bass and notice that it is less defined and more bloated on B. I am typing this just as the blind test finished. I don't really get the tracking test. OK, I see that the Ortofon was A. I liked it better during the blind test, but both sound good. I had a harder time hearing the difference during the first two tracks. BTW, I wanted to like the MP110 more as I have one ready to go on my TT.
I think the Blue is noticably brighter but that doesn't mean better in my taste. It depends on what kind of sound you'd prefer. Some might want to hear everthing in detail but for me i like Nagaoka that it blends things better and has life to the music as a whole.
I preferred B but they are both pretty stellar cartridges however the Nagaoka is a better price point and I liked it better, that will be the one that I get.
Great review vid. To the point (no pun intended! ;)), short video, good music clip choices - though I really wish you'd use some bass heavy and electronic music as well, as this accounts for a lot of collections and has hugely different demands for the sound - much easier comparison with like for like clips used, and clear personal recommendation with rationale. Bravo! 💯👌
Blind test was A and I knew it was the Ortofon OM 2 Blue but there are so many other things to take into consideration here like different turntables, different amplifiers ect, ect
The blind test was most helpful and I found the Blue was better in clarity. For me, that is important because I have a few out-of-print LP's that I want to digitize.
What a great review! I am considering the Fluance RT85, with either the MP-110 or Ortofon Blue, and up until now I had no real way to decide. It is compelling that the Blue is twice the cost of the 110, yet the 110 is the newest kid on the block-but the RT85 is the same price regardless of which stylus is chosen. It was your test that settled it-I love the detail and punchier bass with the Blue, so my decision has been made. And yes, I chose the Blue in the blind listening test. Thank you!!
felt like the 2M Blue gave a much clearer sound and the MP-110 had a much deeper sound both sound amazing and i would pick the MP-110 over the 2M Blue any day! half the price no brainer.
Thanks again for the easy comparison. I prefer the MP-110 mainly because, as you stated, it has a "fuller" sound, by contrast the 2M Blue was pushing a tad bit with the high frequency for my ears. I am also biased because I am Japanese.
If money was no object, the Blue would be the preference but what you are paying for is nuance. If you listen carefully, the Blue has more headroom and clarity. Most people are out to enjoy the music, not listen in like a bird. Either is fine for most purposes IMO so it comes down to budget.
I picked A in the blind test and also preferred the 2m Blue sound on the non blind test..... Probably because I have been using this cartridge now for around 6 years and I suppose I have got used to the sound.... Never disappointed with it and never felt the need to change... I can see however why the MP110 could be preferred by some!!!
In the first comparison, the Blue had a more precise sound (especially the guitar), to me. The second song they both sound the same and in the blind test, I prefer the Nagaoka. For the price I would pick the Nagaoka
Any chance of you shooting out the next price rung up for these 2? I've got a 2m Bronze and am really curious about how it sounds against the MP-200. Your comparison videos are the best I've found - thanks!
It's funny, by the time we got to the A/B test, I could tell very confidently which was which. Both are very good, but I think my ears have been trained to like the Blue; just more definition on the high end. In the mid-range, the Nagaoka takes the prize (imo) but I prefer the high-end definition of the Blue.
Naga sounded more recessed in highs , warmer and rounder and due to nature of its recessed and warmer treble it dealt with siblance better than brighter Blue . I guess it is all up to system match , warmer system with softdome tweeters may benefit from Blue. Naga is a better value at half price of Blue.
One of the best, if not the best comparison videos I've seen on TH-cam. Great job. Thanks for the painstaking effort this must have taken.
My ears like the MP-110, I didn't expect that.
The full rich sound has me sold.
Definitely preferred the 110 and also picked it in the blind test... nice review thank you!
i prefer the Blue, more open and detailed sound
The Ortofon sounded brighter and clearer, in the blind test i preferred it.
Oh yes my friend! The MP-110 all the way, and honestly I just love the price point for what you get out of it. It's a reminder of great products that do exist and don't have to break the bank. Great videos as always!
I thought the Blue was a bit more harsh in the high end, with greater sibilance, whereas the MP 110 sounded more even and balanced (and accurate). I imagine that based on your set-up, the Blue would result in listening fatigue (due to the accentuated high frequencies, and compressed upper mid-range), more quickly than with the Nagaoka. But maybe the Blue would be a great cartridge to use when listening to pop and rock, as well as classical material that has a lot of strings. Excellent comparison video; I wish all cartridge reviews on TH-cam were done like this. Thanks!
I use them on a Technics SL 1300 MK2 and I have to say that it depends on the recordings, on some discs I prefer Nagaoka over other 2M Blue. Great video, thanks.
Both sound great and very similar, but for the price I prefer the Nagaoka. Now on the blind test I chose the Nagaoka, it sounds a little warmer.
I honestly preferred subject A at the end, I heard more detail and clarity. But both cartridges are great for what they are worth. I hope to own both someday! Another point is depending on what you hear vs. how one other person hears music...something to ponder!
Same thing here, this is so weird! Initial comparison the Blue was obvious winner. Then the 110 won the blind test hands down. It almost makes no sense, I would have swear that B was the blue. It seems like the 110 recording could have a compressor on the recording to outperform the blue. This test is confusing and I don't know about Audiorpheus legitimacy.
@@gravelfreemanThat’s a cheap shot.
“It’s not that I came into this with confirmation bias, it’s that the results were tampered!”
Embarrassing.
Also, nobody ever says to add extra compression to make it “sound better” lol Anything past minimal control is too much.
Excellent process! This test was the most effective to date demonstrating the differences between carts. Thank you!
Now this one the one Ive really been waiting for. Will take my time and listen carefully on this one to see if the rumors are true about it being equally as good, just different.
I chose the Blue in the blind test, and I preferred it in the initial comparison. I like how open and spacious it sounds. I personally own the Blue, and I'm glad that me preference in the blind test supported my choice. Thanks for comparing these 2 rad carts!
so glad for you you got your prove here that you bought the right choice
This was interesting. My bias was towards the MP-110 because it's been raved about, has a great price-to-performance ratio, and I've long wanted it. So, in the non-blind phase I felt the Blue had more detail but sounded harsh, while the Nagaoka had a smoother sound signature. Then during the blind test I guessed the two cartridges backward and preferred A (the Blue) for the same reasons I preferred the Nagaoka in the first phase. Haha... ye old brain!
The same😂
The same, but in reverse. Liked the 2M (I have one btw) over the Nagaoka, but in the blind test I went for B (Nagaoka) My guess is it's a combination of the music and the 'noise' at the beginning of the transition.
@@Faxie83 I really wonder how well we can judge the differences of the two cartridges hearing it as we are on TH-cam and not in the same room as the speakers?
@@mic982 It's a direct stream, so it should be representative enough.
@@Faxie83 Yes, but coming out of the speaker in my MacBook (or even ear plugs) can never represent what I'd hear if the sound were coming out of my Sansui 1500's. I especially notice this when I stream FM stations versus listening to it thru my receiver and speakers. But, mostly, it's my older ears, I'm sure.
Last 10 years. I have tried Ortofon OM10, 2M Red, Shure M97 XE and Nagaoka MP 110. No one can beat Nagaoka 110. It's my smart companion.
You ain't tried a Denon DL 110. It trounces the lot.
@@fuckinellitsraymo have you tried the others also. I'm looking for a new cartridge.
@@24carrera Hi. Yes I've tried lots of cartridges in my time. Maybe Its just my taste but I don't like the Audio Technica or Ortofon family sound which could be classed as modern sounding (On the bright side). The Denon DL 110 cartridge is beautifully smooth and even handed and the Nagoaka MP 150 notably improves on the MP110 bringing clarity, focus and better treble extention. That would be my choice for a natural but still exciting sound.
If you can get your hands on an Audio Technica AT120E (or even AT100), I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on a comparison with the MP-110.
Thanks for the video! I have been considering upgrading my 2M Red to the Blue stylus for a few months now. I came across the Nagaoka MP-110 while reading 2M Blue reviews and it made me reconsider. I chose sample "B" during the blind test each time and am impressed by the tracking test, too! Will likely choose the MP-110 when the time is right. I have read many times that the Nag is exceptional when handling inner grooves and is near ideal for older LPs. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Went for Nagaoka. I enjoy it. Thank you.
I preferred the Blue during blind test and non-blind test. The Nagaoka has more room or air... In the blind test it felt like blue was in the studio with the singer, nagaoka was in a larger hall with a nice reverb
I've got both and in my solid state set up I loved the Nag, simply because it had more mid bass and warmth and is sympathetic to recordings especially if they have a harsh brightness. You could say it is a bit closed in in the upper frequencies. However having added a tube amp in place of my solid state, the ortofon is way better suited. The Nag was just too closed in and wasn't expressive enough in mid treble and treble. If your system is neutral to cold, the Nag is perfectly fine. If your system is warm and full sounding, the 2M will bring up detail the Nag just can't illuminate. Like all things hifi, synergy is the key. None is better than the other. I'd say the perfect combination of both might be the Denon DL-110.
This is a great and informative comment! Thanks for sharing your insight
your comment is the best, it brings up so well that we can't really do A-B comparisons with equipment that is in fact quite close to each other in performance. Both are very good no doubt, but different systems, different amps, preamps, phono preamps, speakers, turntables and cables....? Every system is a blend. One item might sound better in system A but not in system B... I was even reading a great article at 6 Moons about cables, stating that the cables even sound different in different systems!....So as you said, synergy and actually an endless hobby....thanks and Cheers, Mario
@@MarioCavolo agreed! I truly think people align themselves with certain hyped gear based on tribal association as well, you know the MP110 as the underdog giant killer. But it could be that most lower end gear and speakers could do with some bottom warmth and taming of upper frequency harshness. So claiming a black and white victor is hard to justify. I guarantee the MP110 in a balanced or tame set up will sound terribly boring. Put it in a rough set up that needs taming, you get a very different outcome. And judging analogue turntable cartridges via compressed digital videos recorded most likely digitally and absolutely converted into digital media is CRAZY. It might give you some idea of characteristics, but by the mere fact of recording it into digital compression, characteristics are changed. Put those two carts through your actual hifi through speakers and preamps and room acoustics and cables, then you have a very complex set of issues to sort through as to whether one cart is better than another. It's just not black and white I guess is what I'm saying.
Great assessment. The quality of the amp is going to be key for sound quality. There's a reason manufactures started making CDs that were highly compressed in the late 90's. They sound good in cars and cheaper stereo equipment. People with mediocre setups may prefer bassy, loud stylus/cart combos.
@@2791dles You nailed it! Another thing, headroom is absent with compressed videos. We are hearing dynamics and clarity only.
Picked B, the Nag. It is really an awesome cartridge for the money. I have the MP-110 on my Project Debut Carbon. I had the Ortofon red, but was really disappointed in the sound. The MP-110 was a huge upgrade.
Mike Stephens i think all 3 cartridges are great. But the nag is the best one. Japan wins again.
Everything's fine using the MP-110 on the PJ debut carbon? No need for adaptions? I'm thinking about this upgrade too
What kinda changes did you get after break in
I was surprised with the blind test. Because I chosed the B sound. Compared with price.. Hm not always the pricier is better. Love the video!
This is exactly the test I needed. Personally, in the bind test I thought that MP-110 sounded richer. And thanks for using Radiohead as the test!
In the 1st record I noted little difference, in the second record there was more separation detectable. in the blind test I chose A, I really wanted to prefer the Nagaoka due to it's reputation and price but there is no denying the quality of the Ortofon. Both sound fantastic.
Super video, Thanks
The 2m Blue sounded better. Vocals were clearer and more airy. I have the Blue, but was thinking of switching to the 110. I think I’ll stick with the blue after watching this, or step up to the MP-150. I’m sure the 110 is fantastic for the price, but this test reveals its shortcomings, in that it sounds slightly more muffled in the mid and upper range.
Quality video - great job on the comparison. I picked the Ortofon Blue in the blind test. It sounded cleaner, more open, and more detailed in the high end and vocals. People are saying the Nagaoka sounds "fuller" but to me it's the muddiness that's creating a meshed soundscape that may sound warmer or less disparate in poor compositions. I would definitely go Blue for a quality produced/mastered record, and the Nagaoka for a party.
I have used several cartridges and the MP-110 is more forgiving on order records and doesn't skip on slightly scratched records like other cartridges I have used. Also it does have a full sound and for those on a budget, it is the best bang for the buck.
The listening test here isn't going to reproduce the stereo sound stage that these moving iron cartridges have. I've always went straight back to one of my Stanton moving iron cartridges 680/681 and now L747S TP4 p-mount in my Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play. The SL-7 had a Ortofon tm14 it sounded good, but nothing like the Stanton sound stage. The MP-110 is on my wish list. It would be nice in my Philips 212 Electric and the 0.4 × 0.7 would be very forgiving like the old Stanton 680 el .
I feel like my ear has served me well over the years... and to be honest, given the limitations of the platform, there really isn't a significant difference between the two as presented... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that its not significant through TH-cam... now $100 isn't really that much money relatively speaking so you really have to take a broader view and think about the weight of the cartridge and the rest of your set up... but for what its worth, I just ordered the Nagoaka... that being said I have a very nice Dual 1229 in another set up and I ordered the Ortofon Red cartridge for that...
this was the video (out of many) that made me decide on the blue, thanks. great comparison video format.
I knew immediately that A was the 2M Blue. The vocals are far better and more clearer on the 2M versus the MP-110, and I honestly love it more for that same reason. To me, the MP-110 sounds like a good quality record player, while the 2M sounds like you're actually there in the recording studio or at a live concert.
The Nag won the blind test for me, they both sound great
I preferred the more open sound from the 2M Blue in general. The MP-110 sounds more colored in the bass, although that can be nice for certain records. The blind test sample didn't have all that much going on in the high frequencies, but had plenty of bass. This worked well with the MP-110. If you would have chosen a sample with more high frequencies in it (like cymbals) the Blue would have sounded better.
The Nagaoka didnt sound fuller to me, it sounded muddy. The blue was clearer in my opinion.
yes
Great compare vid. The blind test really helped. I was happy I chose B MP110 as it's in route to my house.
'A' won out for me but honestly, the two were so close and both are so enjoyable I couldn't really pick a winner over the other. The Nagakoa impressed with its lower price point. For that reason alone I'll probably replace my 2M Blue with the 110 when the time comes. But having bought the Fluance RT-85 with the Blue was a better move than buying it with the Nagakoa 110.
Blind test I preferred A. More videos should do blind tests.
well I prefer this kind of comparison video. keep that style (including your voice) subscribed!
Going to use the 2m blue on my newly purchased dual 1218 thx!
Thank you for your efforts. In my mind there is no better way of comparing one product against another. Well done, & most helpful! I will add the mp110 to my setup, as I find (for me) it to give the best, & most "good" for the money. After more research than I want to admit to, I'm calling it a solid investment.
Anyone who uses Radiohead as a demo track is legit 👌🏽 great A B testing!
I have the Blue and find the sound a bit "Digital and analytical" I prefer the Nagaoka, it's how Lp's should sound.
Why should LPS sound like that? Explain please.
@@fuckinellitsraymo They shouldn't. That's just his funny opinion, not fact.
I wouldn't say Digital There is no sampling on vinyl although the blue gave analytical sound
@@fuckinellitsraymo I would think it's because that is how that person was introduced to Vinyl? Maybe its a very familiar sound to them. I say this because I could identify with that sound. A bit muffled, a bit "warmer"? The Blue was very clear. Almost a bit too much for me in the mid to upper mid range. Kinda like the difference between a slid state amp and a tube amp in my opinion.
This is kind finny because I just listened to the Red 2 against the same Nag and I would say the exact same thing as above in that comparison.
@@bkkersey93 how is that opinion funny?
Nagaoka gives off a warmer sound with more impactful bass. Ortofon is very sharp and more focused on the treble.
agreed -
Nagaoka without uncertainty. smoother and more natural sound. also hear from the truth, I had the same impression
I got into the Punch Brothers thx to this videos, Thank you!
I feel as though the Blue is only very slightly more bright, making for a less muddy image you could say. For the A and B blind test I really coudlnt pick any one of them. They really are closely matched and might just have slight EQ changes in the sound, the Nag having more low end while the Blue is crisper.
Nagaoka for me, I picked B in the blind test and my experience has been super positive with the MP-110 (I own one). Overall, it's one of the best cart, especially for the price. Very smooth and nice.
Definitely preferred the Ortofon..it had a tighter bass and transient response and imaged more clearly.
Definitely preferred A in the blind test...and your blind test was a good addition, like that
Whatever the subtle differences, the blue is surely not worth so much more than the Nag? I actually thought the blue had a fraction more detail and that possibly the Nag was slightly smoother. But Oh so subtle. I'm sure I could live with either.
Ortofons are generally overpriced.
Ortofon traces HF with more top octave energy as I would expect with it's fine profile stylus. Ortofon's bass is also a bit richer... but it also sounds leaner (even slightly pinched) in the midrange while the Nagaoka sounds to me the more full and natural in the mids. Either one is a good choice depending on TT, phono preamp, other ancilliaries and recordings.
i picked b and i am happy now especially now that i have the Nagaoka MP-110 on amazon delivery i upgraded my 3rd turntable from a stock cartridge to the NAg . Cannot wait for doing a deep dive into my vinyl this Saturday WHooooooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😎👍
Excellent video, just what I was looking for. I have the Shure M97xE, which has been discontinued. It's sound profile is a bit sharp like the Blue, and I was looking for something "warmer." I definitely liked B more, so it looks like I'll be buying the 110!
Excellent A - B comparison. I picked A. (Which I proudly own/use). Thanks!
The Blue's soundstage was larger and with better definition of elements. The 110 was more upper mid/treble forward, which for some equates to better sound.
I'm most amazed that I could tell which on is which even with my crappy laptop speakers. Not sure though, whether I prefer the clarity of the Ortofon or the smoothness of the Nagaoka...
I prefered the Nagaoka during the blind test ;)
Me too! I own the MP150 so i'm used to that kind of sound signature too
Yes the nagaoka are more analogic sound, ortofon 2m blue digital sound
Me too :-)
Me as well, MP110 sounded a little warmer but no less detailed
I would much rather upgrade to the MP-150 for that amount of money. Would smoke that Blue with ease. I use the MP-200 myself, and is very happy with that. Insane soundstage, resolution and base control. Best MM cartridge as far as I'm concerned.
Good idea. Going with the MP150 instead 👍
For that kind of money it had better be. I have a house payment, lol.
I was wondering about the sound stage. I am still using a Stanton 681 . Those are moving iron,,, so are the Nagaoka. The Stanton moving iron series has a amazing sound stage.. I believe the moving iron type cartridge has an inherent element in its design that puts them in a class by itself. I have considered the MP-110 as a secondary cartridge. The 0.4 × 0.7 elliptical stylus has some advantages with many of my old records. Recently I needed a TP4 p-mount and Nagaoka doesn't seem to offer it as such. Fortunately I discovered that the Stanton L747S is the moving iron TP4 p-mount and completely compatible with all 680/681 styli. Since installing the L747S my Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play is my daily driver. The Ortofon tm14 was good, but I just preferred the Stanton that was on my Philips 212 electric. I can see the MP-110 as a good fit for the Philips even though the sound stage may fall short of the Stanton. But then the Stanton is a high hurtle to match....not many and would need to go to a MP-150 that's just not in my budget.
During the side by side tests i like the MP110 more but in the blind test i choose A.
I have owned both. I actually sold my 2m blue and replaced it with the MP-110. Listening to the A B comparison I still managed to choose the 2M blue as having the better, more detailed sound. How then, did I end up swapping one for the other ? - Over extended listening the 2M was giving me a sound not far removed from the digital sound of my Audiolab CD player. Conversely the MP-110 sound was slightly warmer and softened and offered an "Analogue" sound which felt easier on the ear. Ultimately, it's down to personal choice and listening preferences.
Comparing these two cartridges as an upgrade on my Debut Carbon. In the blind test in this vid I definitely liked the sound of B better. Thanks Audiorpheus!
In this test, I prefer the Ortofon Blue, due to the more revealing top end and more punch and accuracy throughout. But I think it mostly depends on your setup. If you have very sensitive and revealing speakers then the Blue might be too harsh, and the more warm, smooth sound of the Nagaoka would win. If your speakers are a tad warm, the more revealing or detailed sound of the Blue might be preferable.
That is something a lot of people do not consider - the listening chain as a whole. You are right about how you can influence speaker sound with a cartridge - I have rather warm and bassy speakers that would do well with a cartridge that offers a sleeker, contoured low end and a detailed top end, maybe even with a Shibata or Microline stylus tip.
And then there's the RIAA EQ curve in the phono preamp which can really mess things up. Also, the turntable RCA cable capacitance can have an influence on that. If there is an electrical mismatch, all kinds of things might happen.
Update: I just watched this TH-cam video on my TV/soundsystem. I notched up the subwoofer and now prefer the Ortofon. The vocals sounded cleaner and had a beautiful air to them that the MP-110 was missing. The bigness and bass of the MP-110 was too much after bumping up my subwoofer but it gave the Ortofon the bottom it was missing when I originally watched this in my studio on the computer.
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They were so different to my ears. Like you said, the MP-110 was more full but also had a bit of a "woof"/lower midrange bump that the Ortofon didn't have. My ears would probably get used to bottom end of the Ortofon - a bottom end that was easily heard with the MP. The Ortofon had a way of letting the music breathe though. It gave it a light feel. When you EQ out the "woof" of the MP, that's what you get. More air. Mixing engineers use that technique. So If I'm listening to music with lots of bottom end, I'd go with the Ortofon. If I'm listening to something that wasn't mastered so great or lacking a bit of bottom end, I'd go with the MP. It would be fun to have both and see if I can get the best of both worlds with one or another using an equalizer. And if you held a gun to my head today and made me choose, I'd probably go with the MP. If I had a lot of old Blue Note LPs in my collection, I'd go with the Ortofon and start by bumping +2dB at 100Hz on my EQ and I think that the bass would be right there. They both sounded really good! Great shootout!
I had an RT85 with the Ortofon Blue for a few years and loved it. I sold off my collection and turntable a year or so ago. I've been thinking about getting back into it though. I always loved the Ortofon cart, but if the Nagaoka is better, I will certainly try that this time.
This is crazy ... I set up my denon receiver to stereo and put my bass at a modest setting.. using psb speakers ... While I'm not sure what quality this TH-cam recording is at, I played this at -25 db with expectations that I would like the Naga based on what I heard others say (bass, body warmth, smooth).
Thank you for this .. do more with other cartridges. I'm sure you can get the companies to sponsor your tests.
I have an audioquest moving coil cartridge that I been listening to since 1985. Tomorrow I am going to remove it from my AR turntable and install my recently purchased nagaoka mp 110 cartridge. The audioquest has gotten dull sounding and needs replacing.
How did that work out ? The moving iron cartridges all have cartridges a sound that is in a class of their own. I have considered moving coil but they aren't in a budget a bicycle mechanic has. I have been using a Stanton 681 since 1978. And yes tried many others the moving iron ones were more to my liking and the Stanton is best. Still using a Stanton L747S ( essentially a 681. but it's in my Technics SL-7 and needed a p-mount TP4) with an aftermarket bonded hypereliptical. Not going to be using up that nude Steriohedron as a daily driver. Thinking the MP-110 would be a nice compliment to my Philips 212 Electric.
I thought the 2M was a bit brighter and a little more detailed. The MP-110 had more of a warmer sound. I have the MP-110 and I like it, but I did like the sound of the 2M though. For half the money, I'll stick with my Nagaoka.
Me too. I have at least 800-1000 hrs on my mp-110. Considering an upgrade or a simple cart replacement. I dont think I hear any degradation, and I do only play very clean records. Hmm
Had the 2M blue and hated it. Switched to the Nagaoka MP-110 and haven't looked back. The 2M blue may have been technically more accurate but lacked any warmth and caused ear fatigue. It was more like listening to a CD than vinyl. The Nagaoka has all the magic that makes me want to listen to vinyl in the first place. My stylus is getting toward the end of its life now and I think I will upgrade to the MP-200.
It's the moving iron sound and sound stage. There is something to it. I have listened to many different moving iron and moving magnet cartridges. My preferred ones are all moving iron. My Stanton 681 still stands as my daily driver. I've had the Stanton since 1978 and many have been breifly on my turn tables but not long a Stanton was getting the daily use again. I'm a little curious about the Nagaoka MP-110 stylus life. I've always gotten over 500 hours and the Steriohedron much longer close to a 1000 , long enough to completely loose track and saying to myself it's been a few years now. , better get a new one. Anyway have a back stock of new styli for the Stanton. Still would like to give MP-110 a chance. . It would look perfect on my Philips 212 electric. Currently my Technics SL-7 and Stanton L747S (681 p-mount TP4) gets daily use and no the nude Steriohedron is being saved for reference . The bonded hypereliptical is close enough for daily.
Another guy does amazing cartridge comparisons with loads of different styles of music. You should compare on very stiff, deep and striking bass (where you can hear the 'pluck'). There, Nagaoka really shines.
Brilliant Testing! A+ Thank you. I prefer option B as it sounds warmer and more of what I am used to with my usually muddy records lol. The Blue is actually too crispy for me which sounds crazy but that is what I like.
Also, I don't think you answered if you have a new favorite with the Blue now?
B sounds warmer, overall better to my ears in this BT
I found that A was the blue because of the guitars on the background, they sound more detailed and maybe more to the front, closer to the vocals.
I have the mp-110 and I find it very musical. Makes me want to play more vinyl. I'll try the mp-150 next.😎
Same 👍
The Blue is the cartridge I received on my Fluance RT84. I can tell the BLue picks up more of the highest register offering a bit more clarity and presence.
In the end for me it comes down to economics. I liked the detail and cleaner sounds of the blue, but not worth the extra money. I have the NAG110 and happy with it. It exceeds the price point, but if money was no object, I would buy the blue and probably will, just a bit concerned that the extra brightness might get old or fatiguing. Will see, Thanks for great viedo.
Nagaoka sounds fuller, more expansive, hence that's my pick.
agree
Both very good. When I listened blind, I thought I heard more definition in the bass with A. Listen carefully to the bass and notice that it is less defined and more bloated on B. I am typing this just as the blind test finished. I don't really get the tracking test. OK, I see that the Ortofon was A. I liked it better during the blind test, but both sound good. I had a harder time hearing the difference during the first two tracks. BTW, I wanted to like the MP110 more as I have one ready to go on my TT.
I think the Blue is noticably brighter but that doesn't mean better in my taste. It depends on what kind of sound you'd prefer. Some might want to hear everthing in detail but for me i like Nagaoka that it blends things better and has life to the music as a whole.
I preferred B but they are both pretty stellar cartridges however the Nagaoka is a better price point and I liked it better, that will be the one that I get.
Great great great ! Nice touch the blind test and really helpful.
nagaoka for sure!
Great review vid. To the point (no pun intended! ;)), short video, good music clip choices - though I really wish you'd use some bass heavy and electronic music as well, as this accounts for a lot of collections and has hugely different demands for the sound - much easier comparison with like for like clips used, and clear personal recommendation with rationale. Bravo! 💯👌
Blind test was A and I knew it was the Ortofon OM 2 Blue but there are so many other things to take into consideration here like different turntables, different amplifiers ect, ect
used blue for a while on my raga rp6. Was too analytical for me. Now, for some years I run the rega exact. Great one.
Both very good depending on your system, music and ears.
The blind test was most helpful and I found the Blue was better in clarity. For me, that is important because I have a few out-of-print LP's that I want to digitize.
What a great review! I am considering the Fluance RT85, with either the MP-110 or Ortofon Blue, and up until now I had no real way to decide. It is compelling that the Blue is twice the cost of the 110, yet the 110 is the newest kid on the block-but the RT85 is the same price regardless of which stylus is chosen. It was your test that settled it-I love the detail and punchier bass with the Blue, so my decision has been made. And yes, I chose the Blue in the blind listening test. Thank you!!
felt like the 2M Blue gave a much clearer sound and the MP-110 had a much deeper sound both sound amazing and i would pick the MP-110 over the 2M Blue any day! half the price no brainer.
Thanks again for the easy comparison. I prefer the MP-110 mainly because, as you stated, it has a "fuller" sound, by contrast the 2M Blue was pushing a tad bit with the high frequency for my ears. I am also biased because I am Japanese.
I was surprised to hear such a noticeable difference between the two. Great post.
Nagaoka all the way. I sold my 2m blue when i acquired a nagaoka, it just not that analogue sounding
Ditto 👍
If money was no object, the Blue would be the preference but what you are paying for is nuance. If you listen carefully, the Blue has more headroom and clarity. Most people are out to enjoy the music, not listen in like a bird. Either is fine for most purposes IMO so it comes down to budget.
I picked A in the blind test and also preferred the 2m Blue sound on the non blind test..... Probably because I have been using this cartridge now for around 6 years and I suppose I have got used to the sound.... Never disappointed with it and never felt the need to change... I can see however why the MP110 could be preferred by some!!!
In the first comparison, the Blue had a more precise sound (especially the guitar), to me. The second song they both sound the same and in the blind test, I prefer the Nagaoka. For the price I would pick the Nagaoka
What's the first track?
I love the details of voice of 2m
Hi. B was my choice for the blind test. The 2M is a very good cart, but I prefer how the MP-110 sounds. Great vid. Peace -Patrick
Any chance of you shooting out the next price rung up for these 2? I've got a 2m Bronze and am really curious about how it sounds against the MP-200. Your comparison videos are the best I've found - thanks!
Very kind of you to say! As of right now I do not have the budget to purchase those two cartridges but would love to
Totally understand. Those companies should sponsor you :) :)
Late to the party but I preferred the Nag but I preferred the Blue during the blind test lol. Good video
It's funny, by the time we got to the A/B test, I could tell very confidently which was which. Both are very good, but I think my ears have been trained to like the Blue; just more definition on the high end. In the mid-range, the Nagaoka takes the prize (imo) but I prefer the high-end definition of the Blue.
From the beginning, MP-110 is my ultimate preference
Naga sounded more recessed in highs , warmer and rounder and due to nature of its recessed and warmer treble it dealt with siblance better than brighter Blue .
I guess it is all up to system match , warmer system with softdome tweeters may benefit from Blue. Naga is a better value at half price of Blue.