Gifted myself and a teacher for more than 2 decades. Education in the US is moving towards MORE structure and more stringent teaching approaches. Allowing flexibility in a classroom is a formidable hurdle.
Not so long time ago talking with a friend I defined Intelligence as an affective interaction with some patterns of thinking that determines, among other things, the energy used in an intellectual task - unnecessary emotions to the task burn energy, and not having the necessary ones kills the motivation to complete the task. I think this is the function of the emotional regulation activation.
Great presentation John! Thank you. I'm 29 and revisiting and my Gifted/LD information to try and learn what works best for me in terms of learning approaches. The idea of needing to know why large concepts are the way they are and not just giving simple answers to questions rung true with me. Does anyone have more professors or guides regarding gifted learning styles that I should look into? I doubt I'll get much traction from TH-cam comments but ... worth a try.
I got so bored at school I only stayed awake to get the novel information then proceeded to sleep or just stay home. They literally teach you one thing on monday and get you to repeat the same problems over and over again for the rest of the week or even more than a week. Tt was such a waste of time and effort. Low key felt like hell.
Excellent presentation. I myself gifted and doing my Phd on gifted education. My daughter is diagnosed as gifted and i spoke to her teacher to know if there is something she could support in catering her educational needs within the classroom. I was shocked to understand that the teacher was first of all not interested in knowing what gifted means and in the meeting with principal and the teacher, they both are convinced that the class teacher don't think that my daughter is gifted. I am not sure how to take it and what to expect from school in this situation.
Differentiation in US public schools is very challenging because most classrooms only have 1 teacher with limited teacher aides, and up to 30 students in one classroom. We have so many demands it is extremely frustrating.
Not solely in US that is, also on the other side of the Atlantic, here in Europe, in the Netherlands are to many children in one classroom. And those, who receive specifically assistance are on the (far) left side of the Bell curve, meaning, as they came that with the brilliant idea that children with the Syndrome of Down should be educated regularly, in a normal setting.
(Silently) keeping in mind, Leta Hollingworth’s communication range of 30 IQ points, and even more distinctive, and therefore negatively deviating, for some in particular, Dean Keith Simonton’s communication range of 15 IQ points, among all children in a (regular) classroom, and beyond. Neglect, or should I mention, premeditated early Rejection, stands against those, who should receiving appropriate education, who are on the (highly+) Gifted side, but, are born into lower, and middle class families. Who is Roy Baumeister, btw? www.newscientist.com/article/dn2051-rejection-massively-reduces-iq/
Where can I read more about how Gifted students can learn to make their ideas accessible for non-gifted students (and later colleagues) ? He said it a bit in the middle. I just need a few search terms, if anyone has them. x
Are you familiar with Psychic Remote Viewing? I am highly visual in my approach to problem solving. I have a theory that some of the insights that I have may come from remoteviewing some future solution to the problem at hand.
I am thrilled to see this lecture taking place. Here in America gifted programs are being shutdown solely on the basis of lack of diversity. Too many white and Asian children in the gifted classes, too few black and Hispanic children. There is an undercurrent in American education that is in opposition to scientific evidence and modern views on race and IQ. Japan and China are capatilizing upon their gifted citizens. The United States will fall behind if we do not begin identifying and then cultivating our gifted citizens. On a personal note I scored very high on verbal and spacial. I don't remember there having been gifted programs in my public school system. I was bored with school for the most part. I later joined the Navy and became a Cryptologist. I was offered nuclear electronics but was found to be red green color deficient. I now work in engineering, have 6 patents and have solved problems that others either couldn't recognize as problems or had no ability to solve. What might I have accomplished had I been funneled into a gifted program early on?
"Couldn't recognize as problems or had no ability to resolve." Isn't there a difference between "can't" and "didn't?" And far as identifying problems and/or opportunites go, on what do you infer others lacked the capacity to solve the problem and/or take advantage of the opportunity by generating a solution?
The one good thing is smart people will educate themselves. You cant totally stop them entirely. Obviously help would be more effective, but gifted people are independent learners
One point of criticism I must make. You assume that teachers are capable of predicting what direction students might take on a particular subject. Teachers may not be as intelligent as their students.
Dre2 Dee2 No I don’t think so necessarily. Giftedness is also overexcitabilities. And overexcitabilities is thought to be connecting emotion to thought. If you research a future subject with the same enthusiasm as you’re students and you know them personally it’s possible. It reminds me entirely of the concept of flow. Which is the height of concentration. Perhaps these individuals who are gifted are just more easily capable of flow.
Mad max, it's still ideal for gifted students to be taught and mentored by gifted people. Passion only does so much, and gifted people are equally passionate and often more. So you just need someone with lots of experience who's on the same level or else you're not going to reach your potential.
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Gifted myself and a teacher for more than 2 decades. Education in the US is moving towards MORE structure and more stringent teaching approaches. Allowing flexibility in a classroom is a formidable hurdle.
The focus is BULK DISTRIBUTION, not learning. So obviously they will fail
America tends to punish intellect.
Not so long time ago talking with a friend I defined Intelligence as an affective interaction with some patterns of thinking that determines, among other things, the energy used in an intellectual task - unnecessary emotions to the task burn energy, and not having the necessary ones kills the motivation to complete the task. I think this is the function of the emotional regulation activation.
Great presentation John! Thank you.
I'm 29 and revisiting and my Gifted/LD information to try and learn what works best for me in terms of learning approaches. The idea of needing to know why large concepts are the way they are and not just giving simple answers to questions rung true with me.
Does anyone have more professors or guides regarding gifted learning styles that I should look into? I doubt I'll get much traction from TH-cam comments but ... worth a try.
This is a really well put together lecture
I got so bored at school I only stayed awake to get the novel information then proceeded to sleep or just stay home. They literally teach you one thing on monday and get you to repeat the same problems over and over again for the rest of the week or even more than a week. Tt was such a waste of time and effort. Low key felt like hell.
Excellent presentation. I myself gifted and doing my Phd on gifted education. My daughter is diagnosed as gifted and i spoke to her teacher to know if there is something she could support in catering her educational needs within the classroom. I was shocked to understand that the teacher was first of all not interested in knowing what gifted means and in the meeting with principal and the teacher, they both are convinced that the class teacher don't think that my daughter is gifted.
I am not sure how to take it and what to expect from school in this situation.
@Local Function Not everywhere
Thank you for this excellent presentation, and for making it freely available. I love living in the future. :)
Differentiation in US public schools is very challenging because most classrooms only have 1 teacher with limited teacher aides, and up to 30 students in one classroom. We have so many demands it is extremely frustrating.
Not solely in US that is, also on the other side of the Atlantic, here in Europe, in the Netherlands are to many children in one classroom.
And those, who receive specifically assistance are on the (far) left side of the Bell curve, meaning, as they came that with the brilliant idea that children with the Syndrome of Down should be educated regularly, in a normal setting.
(Silently) keeping in mind, Leta Hollingworth’s communication range of 30 IQ points, and even more distinctive, and therefore negatively deviating, for some in particular, Dean Keith Simonton’s communication range of 15 IQ points, among all children in a (regular) classroom, and beyond.
Neglect, or should I mention, premeditated early Rejection, stands against those, who should receiving appropriate education, who are on the (highly+) Gifted side, but, are born into lower, and middle class families.
Who is Roy Baumeister, btw?
www.newscientist.com/article/dn2051-rejection-massively-reduces-iq/
Beautiful. Thank you.
Where can I read more about how Gifted students can learn to make their ideas accessible for non-gifted students (and later colleagues) ?
He said it a bit in the middle. I just need a few search terms, if anyone has them. x
I am 2e
Are you familiar with Psychic Remote Viewing?
I am highly visual in my approach to problem solving.
I have a theory that some of the insights that I have may come from remoteviewing some future solution to the problem at hand.
Pseudoscience
What does this mean? I’m interested
Schizophrenia?
I am thrilled to see this lecture taking place.
Here in America gifted programs are being shutdown solely on the basis of lack of diversity. Too many white and Asian children in the gifted classes, too few black and Hispanic children.
There is an undercurrent in American education that is in opposition to scientific evidence and modern views on race and IQ.
Japan and China are capatilizing upon their gifted citizens. The United States will fall behind if we do not begin identifying and then cultivating our gifted citizens.
On a personal note I scored very high on verbal and spacial. I don't remember there having been gifted programs in my public school system. I was bored with school for the most part.
I later joined the Navy and became a Cryptologist. I was offered nuclear electronics but was found to be red green color deficient.
I now work in engineering, have 6 patents and have solved problems that others either couldn't recognize as problems or had no ability to solve.
What might I have accomplished had I been funneled into a gifted program early on?
What scientific evidence and modern views are present today pertaining to race and IQ?
"Couldn't recognize as problems or had no ability to resolve." Isn't there a difference between "can't" and "didn't?" And far as identifying problems and/or opportunites go, on what do you infer others lacked the capacity to solve the problem and/or take advantage of the opportunity by generating a solution?
The one good thing is smart people will educate themselves. You cant totally stop them entirely. Obviously help would be more effective, but gifted people are independent learners
Dave never answered the question about IQ and race. Wonder why that might be.
One point of criticism I must make.
You assume that teachers are capable of predicting what direction students might take on a particular subject.
Teachers may not be as intelligent as their students.
"Capable?" Is not the point recognition of high achievement capacity and allowing the individual to demostrate understanding via flexible methods?
Yea, this is a huge problem. You need gifted teachers for gifted students.
Alexander the Great had Aristotle as his personal tutor for a reason.
Dre2 Dee2 No I don’t think so necessarily. Giftedness is also overexcitabilities. And overexcitabilities is thought to be connecting emotion to thought. If you research a future subject with the same enthusiasm as you’re students and you know them personally it’s possible. It reminds me entirely of the concept of flow. Which is the height of concentration. Perhaps these individuals who are gifted are just more easily capable of flow.
Mad max, it's still ideal for gifted students to be taught and mentored by gifted people. Passion only does so much, and gifted people are equally passionate and often more. So you just need someone with lots of experience who's on the same level or else you're not going to reach your potential.