Yamiks (regarding Keelback): “No one would buy this ship for any actual use.” ThePilot: “ *cough...except for making back 10 times its value through deep-core mining in a single run.”
Ok, at some point I am going to make a FDL miner And you can not stop me, nor can NPC pirates, or possibly even gankers, because the huge hardpoint will have a multi cannon.
The Pilot Not to mention you’re video of the keelback got me thinking - so I outfitted the old girl into a mining ship with a fighter escort that is capable of raking in about $40 million per run in vopals (as I mentioned to you on your channel. Nice video Yamiks - but we “actually” found a use for the keelback 👌🏼👍🏼 Commander Cyfus out. O7
I love the keelback , it got me enough money to buy the krait mk 2, the only thing i didnt like about it is that the canopy always explodes in combat, i bought the type 10 defender an im ok with the looks, i stopped using the anaconda just because that, i hate the anacondas desing
Fuck! Stop swapping your/you're!! Boooooooooooooooooooo!! But I agree with you, his personal subjective opinions are dogshit lul. Don't need to agree with him to enjoy his video tho.
I like the Keelback. It makes the best Colonia/early game all-round miner. It has enough hardpoints for all the mining stuff, and it has decent cargo space.
Eh really for a little extra work you could just as easily kit the asp explorer out to make colonia runs early game plus it makes longer jumps does it not ?
@@henryofskalitz4879 you are not wrong, I personally have(had) a kneelback and an aspx both fitted for different things. And while my aspx got sold for an krait phantom, my kneelback got refitted a bit and still gets used a few times a week (if I'm currently in the bubble that is) At the end of the day I still think you can do with your ship the loving flip you want. Still kinda want to see a mining beluga tho
I like the keelback. I use it to test out new mining methods and/or locations. Cheap, relatively fast and agile. Good cargo space for everything involved in mining.
I actually like the way the T-10 looks! I used mine for mining and named it the Brynhilde. Because if you get jumped by pirates it won't be over until the fat lady sings...
Haha that's hilarious. I've actually been looking at making a mining ship. I wish fd would actually make jobs/missions worth doing credit wise. like a high danger to high pay or longer completion time to even higher pay but no, some missions are just worthless because they dont pay shit and you might as well do one thing that's easiest that pays a lot. They really need to revise this and make it more fun.
One more thing, type 10 does not actually have the worst jump range, for some reason it is capable of outranging 2 of the big 3(corvette and cutter, well by 2-7 lys but still) and even then, for a anaconda to get its famed jump range, you have to leave everything behind, you can pile on all the things on a type 10 and it will lose like, 5 light years?
Keelback is unironically good for one very specific thing - mining. Type 6 is a cheap hauler, but a terrible miner with only 2 small hardpoints. Keelback looses some cargo space but has the room needed to fit the two medium slots, two small slots requiering mining tools you need to cover all your bases, and enough internals to fit a refinery, limpets, storage and even a small shield. I literally got my new toon (yes I got a new toon, don't ask why) into a Viper 3 and BH'ed until I had enough money to buy that hauling ship barely bigger than the "Hauler" glorified taxi ship. One trip in that was enough for a keelback with basic loadout, and one trip in that was enough to b-grade the needed stuff in the keelback. Another trip in the KB and suddenly I could afford that medium ship I wanted. All this took me 2 days to achieve thanks to IRL duties hampering me, but knowing what I was doing still helped me get to that point. Just because it says "combat hauler" on the tin don't mean it's not useful as a mining vessel, and frankly I see no need to really replace it anytime soon, it does it's one job just fine.
I have a little fleet of them as I find them fun to fly, useful and cheap enough to have every build I like assembled permently. A nice little go anywhere multipurpose, also has to be said for their price toting a SLF and the ability to be such a tank make them actually quite good in combat roles. You can have a blast with them, and the jump range is satisfactory even when armour tanked up. They certainly will not ever be the best any anything, but don't think they can't be good for many things. Like the Adder its a deceptively competent ship for the money. Though with how easy credits are to get now I don't suppose many of the newer players are spending any time at all in anything that cheap.. just jump straight on up to the mediums.
@@TheYamiks I'm late to the party but aren't the pitch and roll rates actually pretty good? I thought it was only a slow turner in one direction. Certainly feels that way.
On one hand.. its a thing where game designers knowingly build 'bad things' into their games, to both offer variety, and to offer traps to newbies (ie: so you _can_ make bad decisions), and to also highlight better things; every game does it, from online like Hearthstone, to boardgames, to card games like MtG etc; theres lower tier and higher tier, and just crap, for craps sake. Just liek trhe real world.. there are crap cars no one shoudl buy, but some people do just to be quirky, or due to economics or whatever.. So, yeah, I'm not sure if its a valid defense or design methodology, but its done in every genre :)
There are good "bad things" and bad "bad things". The Type 10 is a good "bad thing", but the Asp Scout is not and needs some improvment to even get to that level. One of the best good "bad thing"s in the game is the Type 7... it has a smaller footprint than a Python and would fit on medium pad (and it's mass isn't an issue either). But it's taller than any other medium ship, and so it can't fit into a medium bay. So it needs to use large pads. I'd have a lot more use of a Type 7 if it could use medium pads and thus outposts. But it can't, but I kind of like thinking that it can't because some Lakon engineer overlooked the height restrictions in bays.
@@vib80 a buff for type 7 is it can use med pads, but it is unable to perform repairs and outfitting or something(I mean, you can ready refuel, sell/buy stuff, rearm and repair without needling to go to hanger currently) so why the hell type 7 couldn’t just bodge a med pad?
I agree but even the old Elite games had a pile of useless, unneeded ships... so they follow a tradition ;) Outside that i think the most useful thing is that they provide variety when you see AI controlled vehicles around, if you see only the best ships for players it's not a better result. I remember there was the inplanetary shuttle that didn't even jump drive, you could use it, it was useless because you were limited by inter-system missions but it added some realism and if hadn't any money you could at least start from that :P
I sense that Yamiks got owned by an Type 10 ;) I'm flying a Keelback, that ship is great. Lots of cargospace and with turrets on top and bottom, it'll drive off NPC pirates just fine. You can also do a little Bounty hunting.
The ASP Scout is the very best ship in the game for farming grade 5's from high grade emissions. Because it's the most maneuverable ship that can carry a limpet controller, you can jump into a high grade, farm it, relog (right out to desktop and back into the game, not just to the menu) then jump out of the high grade and back in. The maneuverability means you can turn your ship around and get back into the high grade faster, meaning more grade 5's before the high grade runs out of time and dissipates. So.... You're kinda wrong about the ASP Scout. It has ONE (and only one) use, and for that use, it's the best ship in the game.
I actually use a Keelback... As a support ship for bounty hunters. Engineered beam lasers that repair shields and a fighter bay. I can turn most friendlies into shield tanks, and since I'm not actually attacking anything, I never get shot at. I can float around smooth as you like topping up my mate's shields and picking away at enemies whenever I feel like it, or I can jump in a fighter and tell my crew to just follow while I do circles around FDLs. And because the Keelback can be ordered to hold fire, it will never get attacked (at least when I was playing the game a year ago). I believe the next ship up with a fighter bay at the time was the FGS, which you also need Federal rank for, something that doesn't come easy when the devs keep patching out exploits that make such things an achievable goal, so for someone on a budget, it's a fun alternative to the usual play-style.
Gotta say, I love the Cobra IV's design, I find it better than the standard C3's design. If I could at least buy that design as a skin for standard Cobra III I would be happy.
To be honest, it's really easy to make money in elite dangerous. So the price of the ship isn't really a factor for me. I just think - do I wanna actually fly in that thing?
@@makishae9811 can't argue with that. The t10 and beluga are in their own weird tier of ships that only certain people find enjoyable. They are outclassed by other ships, but some people find them special, like Meoka and I. So far I haven't found a ship I would love more than my t10.
@@TheHonorlord tbh sometimes i wonder if TH-camrs actually play this game. Several tests were done and NO the TYPE TEN IS NOT A BAD SHIP talk about dogshit you can AFK your way to 500 mil with the t 10 you can't do that with a smaller ship because shield and health values are too low and you can't do it as well with any of the other large ships because their turret DPS is lower than the t 10. thus if you want easy money while at work stock up on slay missions and afk in a regular res and you will make a shit ton
I legitimately love my Keelback, I've beaten gankers who were in Federal Corvettes and Anacondas in my Keelback mid cargo run with it. Its a god in my book
I love exploring the Galaxy with my fully G5 Type-10 Defender hull tank. The galaxy has the time to do a full rotation before I can turn around, But I like big ships.
I have found an excellent use for the type 10: mining! - It has a class 8 power distribution, which (with some engineering) can power 3 class 2 and 2 class 1 mining lasers long enough to empty an asteroid - The remaining 4 large hardpoints are excellent for defensive turrets - Turrets + Heavy armor + High mass lock = excellent for running away with your low temp diamonds - Can equip a 256 ton cargo bay and still have enough room for a ton of collection limpets, refinery, prospector limpet controller, and a surface scanner. - Need to equip a smaller shield to make room for moar limpets? Here's 8 utility mounts for shield boosters!
Tbh more than 2 class 2 lasers or 1 2 and 2 1s is kinda pointless with less than 10 active limpets, they just don't move fast enough. I like keeping 2 size 2 beams and 4 size 3 multicannons
WRONG! The devs *WILL* "balance" any form of cred' grind that EVER becomes more lucrative than their favorite activity; mining. Just look back to the events of Smeaton Orbital's economy-class passenger runs, which received a *97% payout reduction* , the pay I earned per hour with maxed reputation dropping from 22,000,000 to 450,000. Non-reductable, since the trip was 99% in-system supercruise and couldn't be lessened by any ship-based stats. So, clearly, Elite Dangerous server managers are *VERY* willing to "rebalance" our ability to grind in for fair span of time. They just don't care about our *ACTUAL* experience or the worth of time we spend.
This was brilliant , love your humor. Coming in as a rookie listening to elite dangerous veteran sounds like they’ve all been through hell, oh boy what am i getting myself into
The beluga is awesome, dedent jump range, looks good and has good maneuverability for its size. It has great pitch speed compared to other smaller ships.
I used my Keelback to destroy generators on planets (1 million+ credits per mission). Why such a weird choice? Fighter hangar. Because i hate the SRV (flippy piece of shit), i bought a Condor fighter. Very fast and small thing that can be deployed 25 km away from target, quickly burn the generator with lazers and boost back to your ship. Right after deploying i told it to stay in place, so it's enough far away to prevent AI ships from attacking it. And even if i lose the fighter, my ship will build a new one in a minute or two. (if you lose the SRV you have to rebuy it on a station). This tactic worked 2 years ago, and it still works today (and it's even easier becauze they added night vision). Of course there are better ways to make money but this tactic is not bad as well.
Keelback I'd say is more of a one use ship. It's good for mining cores while having some defense from your fighter, but even then there are better options you can just get the Keelback for much cheaper Just my own opinion though, I don't play that often so I might just be flat out wrong and I honestly wouldn't be surprised
The Keelback was my first step into mining. It was ok, but I felt that the module space on it was just too small for it. Tried combat too, but it handles like a greased refrigerator. It has since been made obsolete by my Python for Mining, Combat, and Cargo.
You're overlooking one very useful thing about the Keelback and Cobra 4. They are the cheapest ships that can be fully outfitted for deep core mining without any sacrifices. Though admittedly almost anyone who has access to Cobra 4 also has plenty of money to buy whatever ship they want. But the Keelback is an important link in the current optimal progression chain for new players who want to make as much money as they can in the easiest, fastest way possible.
Keelback was the poster child ship for Firefly (Serenity) fans who wanted to swashbuckle and gallivant around the galaxy. Too bad the game doesn't really reward or facilitate that sort of gameplay.
It's been years and I can happily report that because of Yamiks' taking one for the team, I never EVER bought any of these dogshit ships. Thank you, Yamiks, you are a true hero.
I really love the Mamba, it's my main squeeze. I got quad frag cannons + huge plasma gun on it, and there's something oddly satisfying in completely wrecking some guy's day in a space Lamborghini. It's also got a great open canopy and insane thrust, if you're an FAOFF pilot it allows you to slingshot around your victim fangs out like a madman!
I got a keelback to mine with some safety (using the fighter bay) and then bought a type 10 afterwards. Never regretted buying the type 10. Sure it took some time, but having a *chonk* the size of the ISS and being able to assert dominance on pirates without barely doing a thing is brilliant.
the best thing fdev could do is to issue "dealer recalls" on these ships so if you have one you could take it to one of a few specified shipyards to get the "problems" fixed. of course if someone bought one after that point they would just be fixed already. there ya go fdev, i did your job for you.
the Kneelback actualy makes a decent first core miner, you can skip the fighter hangar if you have friend around or still take it with you, to feel better. Btw i made my extra ugly cuz it was to cute
I put all torpedoes on it for a giggle. Size 1 and 2 get feedback cascade or reverb, whatever the one that damages shield generators was called, then penetrator loads on the size 3s. Absolutely hilarious to drop on basically anything, fire off torps til their shield is cooked and then shred all their modules. Even if the hull survives (somehow...) They will be dead in the water with all or most modules disabled, and you can just Boop them til they die
Mamba's been a solid ship for quite a while. Sure it doesn't beat the FDL, but truth be told, nothing else does either. Besieger, Echo3, lots of good pilots out there fly the Mamba and do impressive things with it.
I started playing again in May, bought the keelback for core mining (no fighter ofc), made so much cash that i bought the mamba for - whatever, now i wanna buy the Type 10. Can`t believe they`re all here.
I personally used the Beluga in my expeditions. Its SC performance is great, about 50-52ly jump range, cockpit is good, and had everything in it I want... Almost... Like the DBX is suffers from a smaller scoop than what your FSD is so refueling is slower. That being said, it works for me because it FEELS like a ship you would use to transport scientists or other dignitaries or VIPs to the black for exploration. Roleplaying-wise it's great, even though it does have it's cons. Is it the meta? Hell no. Can it be fun for those who want to pretend or roleplay? It can be! But I agree, if you're looking for a ship that can excel in SOMETHING, it's not the Beluga, other than being the one of the Big 4 that can actually turn like a medium size ship in SC
Proposed fixes: Mamba = thing i hated most while flying it was the low maneuverability. So kick the agility up a notch. i don't mind some armor being sacrificed as a balance compromise. type 10 = you know what it needs? More dakka. More hardpoints or bigger hardpoint classes. I'm serious. Let it be slow and lumbering, but have over-the-top firepower. So its this terrifying flying fortress. Furthermore let it have a second class 8 optional internal. this can replace one of the smaller optional internals that it doesn't need. With a second class 8 internal it can have the biggest SCB. I'd suggest making the spoiler an optional cosmetic, but then it wouldn't be funny anymore Beluga = Maybe boost jump range just enough, so that it could double as a fancy expensive exploration ship if you really want to explore in luxury. Alternatively or additionally, give it the ability to have size 8 cargo racks. keelback = honestly I think its fine for its weight class. it does have a niche. but maybe upgrade its maneuverability just a tad cobra 4 = I have ideas, but as long as its exclusive, there's no point rebalancing anything about it asp scout = this might sound funny. But I actually don't think the problem is its stats. The problem is how it looks. Compare it to the vulture and you'll see it's pretty well balanced with it. I think we judge it because it looks stupid. It doesn't look like a combat ship. it looks like a bootleg AspEx and is classified as a "combat explorer" so you compare it to exploration ships and of course it's garbage. Maybe if it looked its part, and was properly classified as a light fighter it would gain more respect. I'd stop calling it an Asp Scout and instead turn it into a new ship entirely with its own model. Preferably a smaller model with a smaller hitbox that fits in small landing pads
Keelback was my first mining ship with the fighter support really helping me out while I was learning the ropes, and I made a tonne of cash using the Beluga on certain Luxury passenger runs which paid for all of the big three for me. Outside of that they are pretty bad, though, so maybe they should have gone in the 'one job' tier instead?
I have a cobra mk4 and use it almost exclusively for material runs. Being small and able to land real close to certain sites to deploy srv is a real bonus. Weapon placement is good for charging pylons and taking out sentinels.
Maybe one day when I choose to push past the “lazy void opal mining in a clipper” mid game I have for myself, I’ll be able to afford one as a second ship too.
I had massive fun in my Beluga Miner. Looking as FABULOUS as in Cutter, but feeling unique and not needing to watch closely at own speed because unlike Cutter Beluga does not have a breaking distance of infinity plus one.
It's not the ship, it's the pilot preference, I love Mamba because who has more speed in combat has the upper hand, FDL has a stupid cockpit view and that fcking nose. Also, try going 4 frags and 1 huge cannon with it in PvP :)
i've now made almost half a billion in void opals, the first few steps of which were using my keelback. the mining update really made a lot of garbage stink a little less. admittedly I very quickly moved on to a mining python for the exact same purpose, but for newer players who don't have much cash keelbacks could be a pretty nice stepping stone in mining
Finally got around to watching this older video series. Like a lot of others I'm a big fan of the Keelback. Good entry level core miner to move to after a Cobra 3 and the cheapest way to play with SLF's. I'd also love to lay my hands on a Cobra 4. It looks nice and has a decent slot layout. Who cares if it's got less speed and jump range. A rate and engineer it and it'll be just fine.
@@ProcyonDei So far my dock/undock number in Beluga ranges in the hundreds - and I got stuck only once - when a Type 7 thought it smart to try to push me aside. Seriously, it isn't all that difficult to dock that thing id you use Elite's built in optical landing system. A while back I wrote a guide on this feature since most people do not seem to know about it: forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elites-built-in-optical-landing-system-explained.414364/#post-6508213
HUH. I actually love my Keelback, even from the day I bought it. It's the first trade ship I actually had fun using, on the basis of "Oh boy, I got interdicted! If the guy's flying anything smaller than a Fer De Lance, it's about to discover that it pulled over the wrong trader". I find that a lot more fun than "submit -> boost -> Jump"
Having a Mamba...I struggle to really think of any use for it other than a runabout ship. It is a pure head-canon ship and that is just as you expect, my pilot wanted a sports car.
I would reclassify the Dolphin as 1-Use personally. I rigged mine up with a jump distance of over 48 LY using Engineer mods, perfect explorer vessel and for the cruise ship contracts.
Funny thing; they're almost all cut-down or failed follow-up versions of other ships. Also, the reason why people aren't flying the Beluga is that they got stuck with their tail in the space station slit. I bet Yamik's the best guy for that situation.
I got the Beluga as a sort of "luxury explorer" and really my only complaint was that it ran hot when charging the jump drive. If you didn't let it cool all the way down then you were going to start cooking components during the charge-up
Beluga isn't a bad ship. It has the best maneuverability of any superheavy. It's just not the best at anything in its class. It's really a pleasure to fly. Although I do prefer the Orca. The Beluga is also a good mining ship. High maneuverability, 5 medium hardpoints, decent module and cargo space, fast straightline speed, excellent field of view out of the bridge all come together to make Saud Kruger's flagship a good miner.
@@ldobehardcore That's sad to hear. I always avoided outposts because of that. Today my orca is shredding xenos out of the space and i couldn't be happier with any other ship but her.
I have quite a lot of success with the Mamba but it's a One Trick Pony: Boom & Zoom. I use 3 Efficient PAs and 2 Small Beams Overcharged with Thermal Vent to get rid of the Heat, it's a very toasty build, but it works.
The Mk4 is a damn good small ship. Its main drawback is speed. - The most weapon hardpoints of any small ship - 3 small turrets for starter coop play - The most cargo of any small ship (except the dolphin i think) - The most internal compartment of any small ship - Can fit EVERYTHING for mining or exploration - Not a bad armour tanker
I found the beluga to be neat to learn how to fit big ships in the slot by doing rescue mission with it and boosting in and out of the station to not fry.
I like the Beluga but they added the wings just to make it "LARGE" and harder to dock. I've bought and fitted several of them (I keep forgetting why I got rid of the previous ones). It breaks my immersion because in reality, the first thing I would do is ram the dock walls and snap those wings off. Then do my mission.
I love my mamba, it wrecks everyone I encounter. sure small agile ships can piss it off but the same is said for me locking on the rear of an anaconda, they become helpless.
I have weird tastes--specifically, I think the Asp Scout is maybe the best-looking ship in the game. I love it . . . but man I can't deal with its specs. I would probably pay real money for an AspX ship kit that would just turn it visually into a Scout.
Personally, I am a fan of the keelback. When I was starting out and had money to buy one, I bought a keelback so I can do both trading missions and shooting missions which you can't do with the Type-6.
The Asp Scout looks cooler than the Asp Explorer because it has those vertically stacked jets at the back like an English Electric Lightning and doesn't have the silly fins.
It's funny how the Type 10 is a pretty good ship. It's a hell of a support ship for a wing. Edit: also, the Mamba flies completely differently to the FDL, so... eh.
@GiRayne Well, the FDL is a terrific dogfighter for nose-up combat pilots. The Mamba is more of a strafing ship, for people who know to slip FA Off to slide sideways and destroy their target with heavier caliber weapons than the FDL carries.
The asp scout is the best ship for stealth pirating mega ships and installations. Its just noone ever does that so the asp scout is always judged too harshly for things it's not meant to do.
@@onefastsled the asp scout has a bigger cargo hold to store the dropped loot. the DBS cant hold much more than 8 tons while keeping at least 3 collector limpet controllers. you need to have about 30 tons of cargo space to do this properly and 3 collectors / 1 hatchbreaker. a bigger cargo hold is wasted space and less wont be enough and you need to be quick enough to collect everything before the law enforcement arrives and scans you.
yeah it can do it but most of it is a waste. you dont need the extra cargo space because youre not going to use it and too many modules on the ship will draw more power thus heat. plus the scout has a lower rebuy cost for when you do get caught.
So I was in my mining keelback that I outfitted thanks to The Pilot ‘s video a while back and got attacked by a pirate. Hopped into my SLF and ripped him a new one. As a beginner mining ship with protection that baby rocks. It will be coming with me on my personal fleet carrier as a small backup mining ship to my main mining python. O7 commander Cyfus out. 👌🏼
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Yamiks (regarding Keelback): “No one would buy this ship for any actual use.”
ThePilot: “ *cough...except for making back 10 times its value through deep-core mining in a single run.”
You could go deep core mining in an adder too
Ok, at some point I am going to make a FDL miner
And you can not stop me, nor can NPC pirates, or possibly even gankers, because the huge hardpoint will have a multi cannon.
Honestly the fighter bay is pretty good against pirates wanting my vopals
Bruh just use the Krait Mk2 XD
The INSURANCE on a Krait is almost as much as buying a Keelback fresh. It's a tiny little bit unfair to compare the two.
Proud captain of Beluga, the Fhloston Paradise. The Diva Plava Laguna's concert is after the evening banquet...
Just double check your crew. You wouldn't want any of those shape shifting aliens ruining the concerts.
Dude, just warning you now, there's a bomb on your ship! Some aliens snuck it aboard.
Booo! You're personal subjective opinion does not agree with my own! Boo, I say!
ahhh maaah GAWD you disagree ... baaahhhh flame flame, insult insult!!!
=}
The Pilot
Not to mention you’re video of the keelback got me thinking - so I outfitted the old girl into a mining ship with a fighter escort that is capable of raking in about $40 million per run in vopals (as I mentioned to you on your channel.
Nice video Yamiks - but we “actually” found a use for the keelback 👌🏼👍🏼
Commander Cyfus out. O7
indeed, i quite like the Mamba if not only for the central seating position.
I love the keelback , it got me enough money to buy the krait mk 2, the only thing i didnt like about it is that the canopy always explodes in combat, i bought the type 10 defender an im ok with the looks, i stopped using the anaconda just because that, i hate the anacondas desing
Fuck! Stop swapping your/you're!! Boooooooooooooooooooo!! But I agree with you, his personal subjective opinions are dogshit lul. Don't need to agree with him to enjoy his video tho.
I like the Keelback. It makes the best Colonia/early game all-round miner. It has enough hardpoints for all the mining stuff, and it has decent cargo space.
Eh really for a little extra work you could just as easily kit the asp explorer out to make colonia runs early game plus it makes longer jumps does it not ?
@@henryofskalitz4879 you are not wrong, I personally have(had) a kneelback and an aspx both fitted for different things. And while my aspx got sold for an krait phantom, my kneelback got refitted a bit and still gets used a few times a week (if I'm currently in the bubble that is)
At the end of the day I still think you can do with your ship the loving flip you want. Still kinda want to see a mining beluga tho
I like the keelback. I use it to test out new mining methods and/or locations.
Cheap, relatively fast and agile. Good cargo space for everything involved in mining.
I actually like the way the T-10 looks! I used mine for mining and named it the Brynhilde. Because if you get jumped by pirates it won't be over until the fat lady sings...
Haha that's hilarious. I've actually been looking at making a mining ship. I wish fd would actually make jobs/missions worth doing credit wise. like a high danger to high pay or longer completion time to even higher pay but no, some missions are just worthless because they dont pay shit and you might as well do one thing that's easiest that pays a lot. They really need to revise this and make it more fun.
One more thing, type 10 does not actually have the worst jump range, for some reason it is capable of outranging 2 of the big 3(corvette and cutter, well by 2-7 lys but still) and even then, for a anaconda to get its famed jump range, you have to leave everything behind, you can pile on all the things on a type 10 and it will lose like, 5 light years?
Keelback is unironically good for one very specific thing - mining. Type 6 is a cheap hauler, but a terrible miner with only 2 small hardpoints. Keelback looses some cargo space but has the room needed to fit the two medium slots, two small slots requiering mining tools you need to cover all your bases, and enough internals to fit a refinery, limpets, storage and even a small shield. I literally got my new toon (yes I got a new toon, don't ask why) into a Viper 3 and BH'ed until I had enough money to buy that hauling ship barely bigger than the "Hauler" glorified taxi ship. One trip in that was enough for a keelback with basic loadout, and one trip in that was enough to b-grade the needed stuff in the keelback. Another trip in the KB and suddenly I could afford that medium ship I wanted. All this took me 2 days to achieve thanks to IRL duties hampering me, but knowing what I was doing still helped me get to that point.
Just because it says "combat hauler" on the tin don't mean it's not useful as a mining vessel, and frankly I see no need to really replace it anytime soon, it does it's one job just fine.
Terenin keelback was my first miner ship to mine vopals, decent ship, not the best but a stepping stone for a better miner ship
I have a little fleet of them as I find them fun to fly, useful and cheap enough to have every build I like assembled permently. A nice little go anywhere multipurpose, also has to be said for their price toting a SLF and the ability to be such a tank make them actually quite good in combat roles. You can have a blast with them, and the jump range is satisfactory even when armour tanked up.
They certainly will not ever be the best any anything, but don't think they can't be good for many things. Like the Adder its a deceptively competent ship for the money. Though with how easy credits are to get now I don't suppose many of the newer players are spending any time at all in anything that cheap.. just jump straight on up to the mediums.
If they ever add mining fighters the Keelback will really have a good role to play.
Agreed 100%. Best first mining ship to get.
Terenin Python.
Your assessment of the Type10 makes me wonder if you actually flew the ship... And in my mind it is one of the three best-looking ships in the game.
I un ironically used keelback in bounty hunting after SLF’s came out and liked it to an extent
it can be fun but the turn rate is garbage
TheYamiks that’s why I’d normally just chill in the fighter and watch as my fighter pilot got put on suicide watch from having to fly that thing
Ascendant Donut LMAO true
Same
@@TheYamiks I'm late to the party but aren't the pitch and roll rates actually pretty good? I thought it was only a slow turner in one direction. Certainly feels that way.
I love how he calls it "Best to Worst" and yet starts at the worst and goes to the best...
On one hand.. its a thing where game designers knowingly build 'bad things' into their games, to both offer variety, and to offer traps to newbies (ie: so you _can_ make bad decisions), and to also highlight better things; every game does it, from online like Hearthstone, to boardgames, to card games like MtG etc; theres lower tier and higher tier, and just crap, for craps sake. Just liek trhe real world.. there are crap cars no one shoudl buy, but some people do just to be quirky, or due to economics or whatever..
So, yeah, I'm not sure if its a valid defense or design methodology, but its done in every genre :)
There are good "bad things" and bad "bad things". The Type 10 is a good "bad thing", but the Asp Scout is not and needs some improvment to even get to that level. One of the best good "bad thing"s in the game is the Type 7... it has a smaller footprint than a Python and would fit on medium pad (and it's mass isn't an issue either). But it's taller than any other medium ship, and so it can't fit into a medium bay. So it needs to use large pads. I'd have a lot more use of a Type 7 if it could use medium pads and thus outposts. But it can't, but I kind of like thinking that it can't because some Lakon engineer overlooked the height restrictions in bays.
@@vib80 a buff for type 7 is it can use med pads, but it is unable to perform repairs and outfitting or something(I mean, you can ready refuel, sell/buy stuff, rearm and repair without needling to go to hanger currently) so why the hell type 7 couldn’t just bodge a med pad?
Oi how dare you diss the Keelback. That thing is MAJESTIC.
I bought a Keelback for bounty hunting, best decision of my life :D
Raining in Latvia! Oh JOY! (Truck Simulator flashbacks...)
Keelback made my fortune mining void opals until I eventually upgraded to a python for mining painite.
I agree but even the old Elite games had a pile of useless, unneeded ships... so they follow a tradition ;) Outside that i think the most useful thing is that they provide variety when you see AI controlled vehicles around, if you see only the best ships for players it's not a better result. I remember there was the inplanetary shuttle that didn't even jump drive, you could use it, it was useless because you were limited by inter-system missions but it added some realism and if hadn't any money you could at least start from that :P
Proud owner of fully engineered Type-10 hull tank here.
Gotta get that suhweet double spoiler ship kit!
I had mine decked out for "Hazardous Mining Duty", and named it "USGS Nostromo".
I use mine for pvp because it’s fun to win with a “bad” ship
I sense that Yamiks got owned by an Type 10 ;)
I'm flying a Keelback, that ship is great. Lots of cargospace and with turrets on top and bottom, it'll drive off NPC pirates just fine. You can also do a little Bounty hunting.
Dont think I agree on the Mamba and the Beluga - but great video that made me laugh as always :)
The ASP Scout is the very best ship in the game for farming grade 5's from high grade emissions. Because it's the most maneuverable ship that can carry a limpet controller, you can jump into a high grade, farm it, relog (right out to desktop and back into the game, not just to the menu) then jump out of the high grade and back in.
The maneuverability means you can turn your ship around and get back into the high grade faster, meaning more grade 5's before the high grade runs out of time and dissipates.
So.... You're kinda wrong about the ASP Scout. It has ONE (and only one) use, and for that use, it's the best ship in the game.
I actually use a Keelback... As a support ship for bounty hunters.
Engineered beam lasers that repair shields and a fighter bay. I can turn most friendlies into shield tanks, and since I'm not actually attacking anything, I never get shot at. I can float around smooth as you like topping up my mate's shields and picking away at enemies whenever I feel like it, or I can jump in a fighter and tell my crew to just follow while I do circles around FDLs. And because the Keelback can be ordered to hold fire, it will never get attacked (at least when I was playing the game a year ago).
I believe the next ship up with a fighter bay at the time was the FGS, which you also need Federal rank for, something that doesn't come easy when the devs keep patching out exploits that make such things an achievable goal, so for someone on a budget, it's a fun alternative to the usual play-style.
Thanks for the idea, sounds so fun, where do you modify lasers to heal?
@@ray2266 the lasers dont heal. The lasers repair.
Gotta say, I love the Cobra IV's design, I find it better than the standard C3's design. If I could at least buy that design as a skin for standard Cobra III I would be happy.
Oiy!
I fly both the T10 and Beluga, and they're great. Other things may do the job better, but why fly if you can't fly in style?
Amen to that! My two favorite ships as well
Mamba and Beluga here! Nothing can compare to the Beluga's Fuel Ratting potential!
To be honest, it's really easy to make money in elite dangerous. So the price of the ship isn't really a factor for me. I just think - do I wanna actually fly in that thing?
@@makishae9811 can't argue with that. The t10 and beluga are in their own weird tier of ships that only certain people find enjoyable. They are outclassed by other ships, but some people find them special, like Meoka and I. So far I haven't found a ship I would love more than my t10.
@@TheHonorlord tbh sometimes i wonder if TH-camrs actually play this game. Several tests were done and NO the TYPE TEN IS NOT A BAD SHIP talk about dogshit you can AFK your way to 500 mil with the t 10 you can't do that with a smaller ship because shield and health values are too low and you can't do it as well with any of the other large ships because their turret DPS is lower than the t 10. thus if you want easy money while at work stock up on slay missions and afk in a regular res and you will make a shit ton
I legitimately love my Keelback, I've beaten gankers who were in Federal Corvettes and Anacondas in my Keelback mid cargo run with it. Its a god in my book
I love exploring the Galaxy with my fully G5 Type-10 Defender hull tank. The galaxy has the time to do a full rotation before I can turn around, But I like big ships.
3:43 Actually, Cobra Mk4 would be the best Deep Core Miner of the small Ships, buuut almost nobody can get it, so Cobra Mk3 takes the title instead.
what cripples it in that regard is the bad speed, as you want speed so you can find the cores faster.
I have found an excellent use for the type 10: mining!
- It has a class 8 power distribution, which (with some engineering) can power 3 class 2 and 2 class 1 mining lasers long enough to empty an asteroid
- The remaining 4 large hardpoints are excellent for defensive turrets
- Turrets + Heavy armor + High mass lock = excellent for running away with your low temp diamonds
- Can equip a 256 ton cargo bay and still have enough room for a ton of collection limpets, refinery, prospector limpet controller, and a surface scanner.
- Need to equip a smaller shield to make room for moar limpets? Here's 8 utility mounts for shield boosters!
Tbh more than 2 class 2 lasers or 1 2 and 2 1s is kinda pointless with less than 10 active limpets, they just don't move fast enough. I like keeping 2 size 2 beams and 4 size 3 multicannons
@@Cheesus-Sliced Well that's why I have 11 limpets!
@@maxpetra9176 fair enough
I only bought the Mamba for the looks... That was enough. :D
I honestly thought this tier of ships would be all ships locked behind the FUCKING RANK GRIND!!
Hay now, The Keelback is a great trader.
WRONG! The devs *WILL* "balance" any form of cred' grind that EVER becomes more lucrative than their favorite activity; mining.
Just look back to the events of Smeaton Orbital's economy-class passenger runs, which received a *97% payout reduction* , the pay I earned per hour with maxed reputation dropping from 22,000,000 to 450,000.
Non-reductable, since the trip was 99% in-system supercruise and couldn't be lessened by any ship-based stats.
So, clearly, Elite Dangerous server managers are *VERY* willing to "rebalance" our ability to grind in for fair span of time.
They just don't care about our *ACTUAL* experience or the worth of time we spend.
This was brilliant , love your humor. Coming in as a rookie listening to elite dangerous veteran sounds like they’ve all been through hell, oh boy what am i getting myself into
The vets have a good point, but they're just complaining not criticising, that's the issue here
The beluga is awesome, dedent jump range, looks good and has good maneuverability for its size. It has great pitch speed compared to other smaller ships.
I personally like the keelback. Capable of all kinds of mining, and i love the look of the thruster pod things
I used my Keelback to destroy generators on planets (1 million+ credits per mission). Why such a weird choice? Fighter hangar. Because i hate the SRV (flippy piece of shit), i bought a Condor fighter. Very fast and small thing that can be deployed 25 km away from target, quickly burn the generator with lazers and boost back to your ship. Right after deploying i told it to stay in place, so it's enough far away to prevent AI ships from attacking it. And even if i lose the fighter, my ship will build a new one in a minute or two. (if you lose the SRV you have to rebuy it on a station).
This tactic worked 2 years ago, and it still works today (and it's even easier becauze they added night vision). Of course there are better ways to make money but this tactic is not bad as well.
I have the Cobra 4. Dont use it. Trust me.
Use it if you want a small ship that can do everything...except chase someone or run away. =D
Keelback I'd say is more of a one use ship. It's good for mining cores while having some defense from your fighter, but even then there are better options you can just get the Keelback for much cheaper
Just my own opinion though, I don't play that often so I might just be flat out wrong and I honestly wouldn't be surprised
The Keelback was my first step into mining. It was ok, but I felt that the module space on it was just too small for it. Tried combat too, but it handles like a greased refrigerator. It has since been made obsolete by my Python for Mining, Combat, and Cargo.
You're overlooking one very useful thing about the Keelback and Cobra 4. They are the cheapest ships that can be fully outfitted for deep core mining without any sacrifices. Though admittedly almost anyone who has access to Cobra 4 also has plenty of money to buy whatever ship they want. But the Keelback is an important link in the current optimal progression chain for new players who want to make as much money as they can in the easiest, fastest way possible.
Keelback was the poster child ship for Firefly (Serenity) fans who wanted to swashbuckle and gallivant around the galaxy. Too bad the game doesn't really reward or facilitate that sort of gameplay.
It's been years and I can happily report that because of Yamiks' taking one for the team, I never EVER bought any of these dogshit ships. Thank you, Yamiks, you are a true hero.
Keelback? Da hell... that's a great ship. Also T10 id not that bad, but Cutter is better for mining imo
Who grinds ranks for a mining ship? Why not just get a type 9 if you need that much space for ore? At least you didn't grind rank for it.
Lei Hamada so you can shit on pirate the attack you
I really love the Mamba, it's my main squeeze. I got quad frag cannons + huge plasma gun on it, and there's something oddly satisfying in completely wrecking some guy's day in a space Lamborghini. It's also got a great open canopy and insane thrust, if you're an FAOFF pilot it allows you to slingshot around your victim fangs out like a madman!
I got a keelback to mine with some safety (using the fighter bay) and then bought a type 10 afterwards. Never regretted buying the type 10. Sure it took some time, but having a *chonk* the size of the ISS and being able to assert dominance on pirates without barely doing a thing is brilliant.
Message to devs: THESE SHIPS NEED REBALANCING IMMEDIATELY.
Me: *rolling on the floor, laughing at the delivery*
sorry, mining t10 always trumps mining t9 for me. I'll trade some cargo space for survivability any day.
I like it too
William Inglehearn also don’t forget, not getting masslocked by anything other than a Cutter or Type-10. Oh, Pirate Anaconda... yea bye-bye
that says more about the t9 than it does about the t10. if you want cargo space and survivability, go cutter. (i know i know, the GRIND)
@@ICKY427 now that damaged stations are gone I can be bothered even less than normal
Survivability from what, lol.
I love to fight in a Mamba, the FDL can kiss my Thrusters.
But that Huge hardpoint on the FDL tho
@@oldv1288 Mamba has it too
@@Juno101 oh yeah nevermind I was thinking about the 4 large hard points on FDL instead of 2 on mamba
@@oldv1288 FDL has 4 Medium and 1 Huge, Mamba has 2 Large, 2 Small and 1 Huge
the best thing fdev could do is to issue "dealer recalls" on these ships so if you have one you could take it to one of a few specified shipyards to get the "problems" fixed. of course if someone bought one after that point they would just be fixed already. there ya go fdev, i did your job for you.
the Kneelback actualy makes a decent first core miner, you can skip the fighter hangar if you have friend around or still take it with you, to feel better. Btw i made my extra ugly cuz it was to cute
Love my combat T10; especially with all seekers. Git gud Yamik!
The video is funny lol. But ya fly what ya want and haves fun!!!
I put all torpedoes on it for a giggle. Size 1 and 2 get feedback cascade or reverb, whatever the one that damages shield generators was called, then penetrator loads on the size 3s. Absolutely hilarious to drop on basically anything, fire off torps til their shield is cooked and then shred all their modules. Even if the hull survives (somehow...) They will be dead in the water with all or most modules disabled, and you can just Boop them til they die
5:25 that's like a bright yellow hummer with 40" wheels
Mamba's been a solid ship for quite a while. Sure it doesn't beat the FDL, but truth be told, nothing else does either. Besieger, Echo3, lots of good pilots out there fly the Mamba and do impressive things with it.
You'd think that the Keelback would have BETTER maneuverability than the Type-6 because it has those rotating ponsons, but you'd be wrong.
I started playing again in May, bought the keelback for core mining (no fighter ofc), made so much cash that i bought the mamba for - whatever, now i wanna buy the Type 10. Can`t believe they`re all here.
I personally used the Beluga in my expeditions. Its SC performance is great, about 50-52ly jump range, cockpit is good, and had everything in it I want... Almost... Like the DBX is suffers from a smaller scoop than what your FSD is so refueling is slower.
That being said, it works for me because it FEELS like a ship you would use to transport scientists or other dignitaries or VIPs to the black for exploration. Roleplaying-wise it's great, even though it does have it's cons. Is it the meta? Hell no. Can it be fun for those who want to pretend or roleplay? It can be!
But I agree, if you're looking for a ship that can excel in SOMETHING, it's not the Beluga, other than being the one of the Big 4 that can actually turn like a medium size ship in SC
I do a lot of extraction site bounty hunting, the Asp always makes me see easy money.
Why do I feel like I stumbled upon Dracula's TH-cam channel? Only thing that makes me think it's not is that bla bla bla wasn't said once this video.
I remember picking up cobra 4 when horizon was released and feeling like "what the fuck is this, why would i want that" and selling it 30min later
Proposed fixes:
Mamba = thing i hated most while flying it was the low maneuverability. So kick the agility up a notch. i don't mind some armor being sacrificed as a balance compromise.
type 10 = you know what it needs? More dakka. More hardpoints or bigger hardpoint classes. I'm serious. Let it be slow and lumbering, but have over-the-top firepower. So its this terrifying flying fortress. Furthermore let it have a second class 8 optional internal. this can replace one of the smaller optional internals that it doesn't need. With a second class 8 internal it can have the biggest SCB. I'd suggest making the spoiler an optional cosmetic, but then it wouldn't be funny anymore
Beluga = Maybe boost jump range just enough, so that it could double as a fancy expensive exploration ship if you really want to explore in luxury. Alternatively or additionally, give it the ability to have size 8 cargo racks.
keelback = honestly I think its fine for its weight class. it does have a niche. but maybe upgrade its maneuverability just a tad
cobra 4 = I have ideas, but as long as its exclusive, there's no point rebalancing anything about it
asp scout = this might sound funny. But I actually don't think the problem is its stats. The problem is how it looks. Compare it to the vulture and you'll see it's pretty well balanced with it. I think we judge it because it looks stupid. It doesn't look like a combat ship. it looks like a bootleg AspEx and is classified as a "combat explorer" so you compare it to exploration ships and of course it's garbage. Maybe if it looked its part, and was properly classified as a light fighter it would gain more respect. I'd stop calling it an Asp Scout and instead turn it into a new ship entirely with its own model. Preferably a smaller model with a smaller hitbox that fits in small landing pads
The Beluga was the single biggest financial mistake I made as a newish pilot. Sold that shitty thing as soon as I could afford an Anaconda.
Keelback was my first mining ship with the fighter support really helping me out while I was learning the ropes, and I made a tonne of cash using the Beluga on certain Luxury passenger runs which paid for all of the big three for me. Outside of that they are pretty bad, though, so maybe they should have gone in the 'one job' tier instead?
I have a cobra mk4 and use it almost exclusively for material runs. Being small and able to land real close to certain sites to deploy srv is a real bonus. Weapon placement is good for charging pylons and taking out sentinels.
I wasn't aware Dr. Doofenschmirtz played Elite Dangerous.
Keelback is useful for one thing...
Doing like 3 deep core mining runs to afford a better mining ship
Tbh, I love my keelback. I deploy the fighter any time pirates and douchenozzles come lurking and I can mine in peace
I’ve always been tempted to buy a Mamba just for the looks, and always will be.
Brandon Fleming I own one for joyriding; it looks that good
Maybe one day when I choose to push past the “lazy void opal mining in a clipper” mid game I have for myself, I’ll be able to afford one as a second ship too.
Brandon Fleming one week of that grinding nonsense and you’re home free. Buy any ship you like
(8:02) Sounds exactly how I feel about this video.
Hope in the future, for something more than that just ... this.
I had massive fun in my Beluga Miner. Looking as FABULOUS as in Cutter, but feeling unique and not needing to watch closely at own speed because unlike Cutter Beluga does not have a breaking distance of infinity plus one.
It's not the ship, it's the pilot preference, I love Mamba because who has more speed in combat has the upper hand, FDL has a stupid cockpit view and that fcking nose. Also, try going 4 frags and 1 huge cannon with it in PvP :)
@GiRayne You can't kill a ship if you can't catch it, but he can kill you.
@GiRayne Search Echo3 on yt, he is a Mamba PVP-er
Went to Beagle point in my Beluga, loved it.
"Why is this guy so mad?"
"looks that compete with star citizen"
"ohhh you poor fool"
Nah he doesnt like SC. Most sane people dont.
i've now made almost half a billion in void opals, the first few steps of which were using my keelback. the mining update really made a lot of garbage stink a little less.
admittedly I very quickly moved on to a mining python for the exact same purpose, but for newer players who don't have much cash keelbacks could be a pretty nice stepping stone in mining
Finally got around to watching this older video series. Like a lot of others I'm a big fan of the Keelback. Good entry level core miner to move to after a Cobra 3 and the cheapest way to play with SLF's.
I'd also love to lay my hands on a Cobra 4. It looks nice and has a decent slot layout. Who cares if it's got less speed and jump range. A rate and engineer it and it'll be just fine.
Beluga makes for a magnificent battering-ram to use in combat.
..or to remove people rom the mailslot who have no clue how to fly their ships.
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 Or to become one of those people...
Gotta love the Moby Huge... I mean Beluga (don't Google that, seriously don't).
@@ProcyonDei So far my dock/undock number in Beluga ranges in the hundreds - and I got stuck only once - when a Type 7 thought it smart to try to push me aside.
Seriously, it isn't all that difficult to dock that thing id you use Elite's built in optical landing system.
A while back I wrote a guide on this feature since most people do not seem to know about it: forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elites-built-in-optical-landing-system-explained.414364/#post-6508213
HUH. I actually love my Keelback, even from the day I bought it. It's the first trade ship I actually had fun using, on the basis of "Oh boy, I got interdicted! If the guy's flying anything smaller than a Fer De Lance, it's about to discover that it pulled over the wrong trader". I find that a lot more fun than "submit -> boost -> Jump"
Having a Mamba...I struggle to really think of any use for it other than a runabout ship. It is a pure head-canon ship and that is just as you expect, my pilot wanted a sports car.
I would reclassify the Dolphin as 1-Use personally. I rigged mine up with a jump distance of over 48 LY using Engineer mods, perfect explorer vessel and for the cruise ship contracts.
Funny thing; they're almost all cut-down or failed follow-up versions of other ships.
Also, the reason why people aren't flying the Beluga is that they got stuck with their tail in the space station slit. I bet Yamik's the best guy for that situation.
I got the Beluga as a sort of "luxury explorer" and really my only complaint was that it ran hot when charging the jump drive. If you didn't let it cool all the way down then you were going to start cooking components during the charge-up
Beluga isn't a bad ship. It has the best maneuverability of any superheavy. It's just not the best at anything in its class. It's really a pleasure to fly.
Although I do prefer the Orca.
The Beluga is also a good mining ship. High maneuverability, 5 medium hardpoints, decent module and cargo space, fast straightline speed, excellent field of view out of the bridge all come together to make Saud Kruger's flagship a good miner.
the orca is the most underrated ship imo. What a beautiful machine.
@@psycopt8770 whenever I start flying my orca I always wonder why I ever put it down. Then I remember my home systems require a lot of outpost work.
@@ldobehardcore That's sad to hear. I always avoided outposts because of that. Today my orca is shredding xenos out of the space and i couldn't be happier with any other ship but her.
I have quite a lot of success with the Mamba but it's a One Trick Pony: Boom & Zoom. I use 3 Efficient PAs and 2 Small Beams Overcharged with Thermal Vent to get rid of the Heat, it's a very toasty build, but it works.
"How many more disgusting marketing terms can i cram in one paragraph, the gaming industry is F*cked"
Oh how i felt that.
The spoiler on the type10 is absurd and I love it
The Mk4 is a damn good small ship.
Its main drawback is speed.
- The most weapon hardpoints of any small ship
- 3 small turrets for starter coop play
- The most cargo of any small ship (except the dolphin i think)
- The most internal compartment of any small ship
- Can fit EVERYTHING for mining or exploration
- Not a bad armour tanker
i took one look at the mamba and went sold. despite it being average it still strikes fear in the hearts of my friends
Love my T10. Bought one and immediately sold my combat Anaconda. It's fun flying a mobile fortress.
Type-10 is actually insanely useful, as it can kill ships with turrets while you are afk, making you tons of money with stacked wing massacre missions
you can take a type 7 and do exactly what you can do with a beluga and do it better with a better view for cheaper.
a better view maybe - but far worse looks.
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 you shut your mouth. T7 IS GORGEOUS SPACE BUS
I found the beluga to be neat to learn how to fit big ships in the slot by doing rescue mission with it and boosting in and out of the station to not fry.
I like the Beluga but they added the wings just to make it "LARGE" and harder to dock. I've bought and fitted several of them (I keep forgetting why I got rid of the previous ones). It breaks my immersion because in reality, the first thing I would do is ram the dock walls and snap those wings off. Then do my mission.
I love that the Type 10 is a military boobjob of a Type 9 gone wrong xD
Throw 2 size 8 banks and size 7 sheilds=immortality
I love my mamba, it wrecks everyone I encounter. sure small agile ships can piss it off but the same is said for me locking on the rear of an anaconda, they become helpless.
I have weird tastes--specifically, I think the Asp Scout is maybe the best-looking ship in the game. I love it . . . but man I can't deal with its specs. I would probably pay real money for an AspX ship kit that would just turn it visually into a Scout.
Personally, I am a fan of the keelback. When I was starting out and had money to buy one, I bought a keelback so I can do both trading missions and shooting missions which you can't do with the Type-6.
The Asp Scout looks cooler than the Asp Explorer because it has those vertically stacked jets at the back like an English Electric Lightning and doesn't have the silly fins.
I use an Asp scout as a budget miner with its manoeuvrability and front cockpit it works well and gas enough mounts and space .
Keelback makes a good budget mining ship, yamix
It's funny how the Type 10 is a pretty good ship. It's a hell of a support ship for a wing.
Edit: also, the Mamba flies completely differently to the FDL, so... eh.
@GiRayne Well, the FDL is a terrific dogfighter for nose-up combat pilots. The Mamba is more of a strafing ship, for people who know to slip FA Off to slide sideways and destroy their target with heavier caliber weapons than the FDL carries.
The asp scout is the best ship for stealth pirating mega ships and installations. Its just noone ever does that so the asp scout is always judged too harshly for things it's not meant to do.
If you mean cold Silent running stealth bullshitery then Diamondback Scout can do that just as good if not better for a fraction of the cost
@@onefastsled the asp scout has a bigger cargo hold to store the dropped loot. the DBS cant hold much more than 8 tons while keeping at least 3 collector limpet controllers. you need to have about 30 tons of cargo space to do this properly and 3 collectors / 1 hatchbreaker. a bigger cargo hold is wasted space and less wont be enough and you need to be quick enough to collect everything before the law enforcement arrives and scans you.
2kNeoDragon and the AEX can't do this as well why?
yeah it can do it but most of it is a waste. you dont need the extra cargo space because youre not going to use it and too many modules on the ship will draw more power thus heat. plus the scout has a lower rebuy cost for when you do get caught.
The Keelback is pretty decent as an early mining ship and the Beluga is the best ramming ship.
So I was in my mining keelback that I outfitted thanks to The Pilot ‘s video a while back and got attacked by a pirate. Hopped into my SLF and ripped him a new one.
As a beginner mining ship with protection that baby rocks.
It will be coming with me on my personal fleet carrier as a small backup mining ship to my main mining python.
O7 commander Cyfus out. 👌🏼