Hi there, thank you for noting that, it is an editting honest mistake. We tried to get the video ready as soon as possible to help our friends of having a reference if they wish to pre-order it ☕️🤍
@@ahmedhrhrah3426 Hi there, everything regarding the burrs has already been mentioned. There was only two seconds in the video where it was showing HU burrs instead of MP, it is a visual error, everything that was spoken is the feedback. Tastewise compared to the 64mm, not that much, they are almost identical, sometimes the 83mm felt easier to dial in for espresso. 🤍☕️
Hi there, it is a tough option, we personally probably would prefer the SSP MP, but the stock DLC Brew burrs are really good, it is just if you have the two, the MP might be more enjoyable ☕️🤍
I’m looking for an upgrade from my df64 w. SSP MPs. I’m 90% filter, 10% espresso, but for espresso I tend to use my 1zpresso K-Max. Would you recommend to go with the brew burrs or to go straight for the SSP MPs? How do the two compare for filter, which one do you ultimately prefer? Thanks!
Hi there, between the brew burrs of the MP burrs, definitely go for the Brew burrs. They are much cheaper, they are even slightly better than the MP (not super confident in this, but for the few comparison brews they felt better or the same). The only disadvantage is that you won't be able to brew espresso with them. Timemore Sculptor 078 is a great consideration for only filter grinder 👌☕️🤍
@@Bendysser This is a tough question as the DF64 had many issues with the declumper and some grind retention (the last 0.5g used to be powdery). We cannot highly recommended the upgrade, maybe wait for something new! The Mazzer Philos looks promising, which we will be reviewing soon 👌☕️🤍
So a sticky dial and a potentially cross threaded grind dial adjuster is no big deal...especially when you need to adjust 0.25 marks? Makes it a joy to use? ..I'd rather spend 2x more but get a much better and reliable UX.
Hi there, the thread felt solid, thick, and well machined. We doubt you will ever face an issue with cross-threading. The point regarding the thread is that probably they did not calculate where the arrow should be placed correctly in the first place, to be fair, the serial number of this grinder is 0001, so have to be fair here too. If you have the budget, definitely go with something premium, we personally love premium quality tools. Nonetheless, if we take price tag into consideration, people who wish to get 83mm resutls who are on a budget, we cannot think of anything in the market to compete with that price range. Similar to the very first DF64, it is definitely not perfect, but it opened the approach of single dose 64mm burrs to thousands of coffee friends. We plan to review higher quality large flat burrs grinders and compare them with the DF83v along the way, stay tuned for that ☕️🤍
How was the LAB SWEET BURRS? Didn’t hear you mention it other than @ 10:06. For FILTER/DRIP COFFEE only which do you prefer Lab Sweet or Brew Burr? Thank you
Hi there, it depends on your roasting preference and tasting preference. Our favourite was the Multipurpose. LabSweet is also really nice, it highlights sweetness and the body is thicker, but Multipurpose gives clearer shots and tasting notes separation, especially with medium to light roasts 🤍☕️👌
The auger runs with the front burr off. What could possibly go wrong there? It sounds out of balance and that the burrs aren't aligned especially at High RPMs. The only advantages to this grinder are its Chinese knock off / clone pricing and its big ass burrs.
Im very skeptical about the marketing of these grinders. Creators seem to treat them way too nicely. Not saying theyre bad but they pick on much more established profucts way more than these. And rarely hear the videos arent sponsored.
Hi there, that is majorly because you have to take price tag into consideration to be 100% fair. When a manufacturer has the freedom of budget, they can definitely address any small issues, however, in most budget friendly cases you hear the term it won't be achievable with this price tag. The idea is that, 83mm, 680w motor, adjustable rpm, DLC burrs, you cannot find anything even close at that price in the market. In regards to being sponsored, this was a review unit, however, we would never have accepted it in the first place if we are not able to 100% share our own opinion. You can already appreciate and make your own decision based on the demonstration in the video. Hope you have a lovely day and if you have any questions regarding the grinder, please, do not hesitate in asking them. We are always happy to answer all our friends ☕️🤍
The original DF64 had alot of problems and creators let people know about it. When a company listens to their customers and fixes issues then they can come out with great products. I think that's the best thing about these grinders.
@lothar1080 don't get me wrong I'm sure these are great products. But check out Aramse he did a video on the df64 and 83. A lot of the things he mentions either weren't mentioned by others or completely brushed over. I was in the market for one and literally watched every video out there about it. In the end a lot of the creators j find more credible like hoffman or Lance never did videos on them or never really went into detail on it. I think they're great products but they seem to be recieveing alot of conformity bias.
@@ShayanGivehchianI just watched two Lance videos on the DF83 V1 and V2. The likes them a lot, particularly the V2 with the plasma generator and lower static.
@@lothar1080 But they brushed over some issues several been experiencing with later, many had consistentcy issues and moving zero points even after break in with df83, df64v had numerous stalling reports and wobbling carriers. There been too many reports of issues for me to trust them just yet.
Wow, this is such a great video. Thanks for sharing. I currently have a multipurpose grinder worth about $200, thinking about upgrading to this. I like the bigger dial for switching between drip and espresso that eureka doesn’t have. I am wondering if I do about 50% drip and 50% espresso, do you think the stock espresso burrs would be the best option? Also wondering how you found the transition to be between drip and espresso? I don’t think I can afford the $300 upgrade yet to SSP. Curious to get your thoughts.
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot! You will be very pleased with the stock burrs. We really enjoyed them in both filter and espresso. Definitely SSP MP gave that push in clarity and crispness for filter, but you are not missing huge difference with the stock burrs in your case. Another consideration is DF64v with SSP MP burrs. Both option would be very nice for you, and hopefully the video was able to shed some light on pros and cons. You can feel free to check this video: th-cam.com/video/bOnWqJVXQ8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Z4DMPhc9F3Ft73gj Goodluck! 🤍☕️
Just wanted to know if the auger on the DF83V is a ? 1. true “pre breaker” (meaning there’s minimal room for beans to flow and they all get crushed in a uniform way like in the zerno) 2. Or is it just a “bean feeder “ ( meaning there’s a bigger gap for the beans to flow down and some beans might get crushed and some not)
Hi there, we did it test it without burrs, regretting not shooting that and including it in the video. It is around 50/50, breaks half of them, then cuts half of them. However, we were not 100% sure if it will eventually breaks more as without burrs, there is more empty room. Nonetheless, to simply put it, it is mostly feeder, but it definitely breaks a decent percentage before delivering them to the burrs ☕️🤍
It’s a bean carrier not a bean breaker. A bean breaker/prebreaker is designed such all beans regardless of size get prebroken by being crushed between the prebreaker and chamber walls to do so the bean need to be larger then the “wing” and or slot between these, on a feeder the beans are meant to end in the slots and brought forward. You can clearly see the beans fit the slot on carrier and are brought forward where some are broken others not, this is typical for bean feeders
Thanks for testing the filter burrs for espresso. The filter burrs look like a replica of the Ceado 83mm E37Z Hero burrset. The outfall is huge though. Nice sized motor on that grinder!
Surething, we always aim to test anything that might be interesting to our friends. If you have anything in mind that you wish us to do in future videos, always glad to hear constructive feedback 🤍☕️ Regarding the burrs, they do look the kind of the same yes, we checked all of Ceado's burr geometry in our HostMilano 2023 video ☕️🤍👌
Hi there, the 078s will offer more clarity, but personally we enjoyed the user experience of this one over the 078s. The 078s dial and the proccess of dialing in is just not espresso friendly ☕️🤍
Good morning. I'm from Poland, where there are no opinions about these grinders. I am considering buying DF83V or DF64 2nd generation. The first one is twice as expensive, but it is not a problem for me. I like the design of the DF83V more, but I have two comments about it. I don't like the function of adjusting the speed (I consider it simply unnecessary) and I don't like the POWER button, so I'm concerned whether the grinder should be turned off using this button after each use (so that the device heats up and prevents a fire). Please advise me which grinder to choose. I would like to mention that I only drink espresso
Thank you for such a detailed review. If you were to only make filter coffee, would you take the 078 with turbo burrs or the df83v with dlc brew burrs? Also, how do the dlc brew burrs compare with the ssp mp in terms of clarity, sweetness, etc? For reference, I currently have an ode with ssp gen1 brew burrs. Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
I only bought my 078 bcus of the Timemore ks. Price was close to Ode V2. I would hold the urge to upgrade, and only if you need a more focused espresso grinder then upgrade. The dlc would be worse or on par with your ode imo.. The 83v is a nice grinder and no doubt better, and with filter specific 83 a upgrade, but also at double the price..
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot. Those are tough questions, we will try to address them in a simple way. Fellow Ode burrs are really nice, we spoke about them in this video: th-cam.com/video/vdRW_Lmfh9U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=seb5PLD5s2rMX-Bm ODE Gen 2 burrs tend to the sweet side while maintaining enjoyable clarity. SSP MP (and the Brew burrs, which are called MP gen 1 sometimes), they highlight tbe clarity and if are dialed correctly, they will give clean, crisp, sweet, and juicy brews. The 83mm MP are almost identical, hard to notice any difference. The 078 burrs are really good, but we personally found them a bit hard to dial-in, and gives better restoration when are pushed on the finer side. DF83V brew burrs are also a great consideration, especially they are cheaper than the SSP MP, but you can't make espresso. They are kind of similar to SSP MP, can't tell much difference between them 🤍☕️
I'm not crazy about the angle of the main part of the grinder, it doesn't look quite right to me. I'd prefer that it was parallel to the counter. Guess it's not a huge deal, but it'd probably bug me to look at it all the time.
That grinder sounds a lot louder than some of the other videos I've seen of the DF83V. Maybe its picking up some electrical interference. Its considerably louder than a video Espresso Oulet did.
Hi there, it is probably due to the directional microphone, nonetheless, the sound is pretty fair, it sounds like that in reality. Probably the grinding soundsl was amplified in the video due to the directional microphone and lack of surrounding noise ☕️🤍
So now whats your opinion. This df83 vertical mount vs your latest gevi grindmaster. Df83 has the bellows, larger burrs, and a very removable drop chute for easier cleaning. The grindmaster seema they made a good move with their tight thread pitch allowing smaller micron control. Which seems more stable ? Has less vibration? And which grinder out of two has more coffee retained in the chamber. With this new auger mechanisms, there seems to allow alot of coffee retention built up. I dont know if old retention gets pushed out to the new grinding dose or not?
Hi there, regarding retention, while the DF83V has larger Auger, it is fixed in the inner burr and dose not allow for retention in the inner chamber. It basically sits inside the outer burr carrier and brings the beans to the inside. The Gevi has opposite direction, where the Auger sits inside the inner chamber and the potential of minor retention there is higher than the DF83v. Would say both are relatively the same, the DF83v might even have less retention with the use of blower. Nonetheless, pleased with both. As for the quality, you will be happg with either of them, if watch both reviews you will be able to have a general idea and make your decision. The Gevi is more user friendly and easier to use. The DF83v is like a muscle car, it opens wider potential and room to try around. ☕️🤍
Great review! I have a DF64 but i like my 1Z Presso JX Pro manual grinder in terms of taste a lot more. I also joticed you have a femobook. Can you comment on how similar the taste us to the femobook is and how the DF83V compares?
Hi there, thank you for the kind feedback! You are basically comparing Conical Burrs (1Zpresso and Femobook) with Flat Burrs(DF64). Generally speaking, conical burrs will offer better body and different mouthfeel as the ground coffee particles distribution is different. Conical gives a small peak in fine coffee particles, whereas flat burrs usually have one peak in ground particles size. The Femobook in our opinion is one of the best conical in its category (sizewise, geometry is similar to 1Zpresso K-series and Comandante, pricewise, and usability). In our comparison review we loved it, but our main issue was the noise. However, they have improved the noise in their latest production batch, and you can check our review here: th-cam.com/video/bOnWqJVXQ8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Z4DMPhc9F3Ft73gj The Femobook in that review was the old noisy one. You can also benefit from our Discount Code if you wish. Goodluck! 🤍☕️
I think the problem with the DF83 (original version) is the grind speed is super fast and the declumper holds back the flow of coffee, modding the declumper opens it up so it flows better and you get less fines, less retention and more flavour clarity. I kinda miss the high body and lower clarity almost conical like profile from when I first got the DF83 before modding the declumper and the stock italmill burrs got seasoned (I think they ended up getting higher clarity too).
@@julianpark93 I'm liking them, but I was also liking the seasoned Italmill burrs I think they might be similar tasting, but I wish I had another DF83 so I can compare side by side. I think I might be getting a little stronger flavour notes out of the BOYT burrs, where DF83 with Italmill generally seemed to produce weaker (possibly lower extracted) coffees.
Nice video, thanks! I am puzzled about who makes this grinder. The DF64 can be found in China everywhere. But this one is not to be seen in Chinese stores, at least not with this name.
Hi there, it is by DF64, but they might haven't started mass production yet. You can check it here: Df64coffee.com , and feel free to use our discount code in that case 👉 OCS5%
@@ourcoffeeshelter Very nice review nonetheless. I'm happy with my df64v but would've been nice if there was a plasma generator in that grinder also like the df83v and the dr64gen2.
Hi there, at the beginning with low RPM, there was some coarse ground coffee between the burrs, and once the RPM was ramped, everything was cleared. The motor sound is high as the microphone we use is directional and it is picking 100% of the sound. In reality it is quieter (less noticable). 🤍☕️
This is really informative video thanks. If you were to choose one grinder from the following for espresso what would you choose (stock espresso burrs). I quite like the features of the DF83v here but my wife thinks it looks like the front of a steam train. I have a Gevi Grindmaster but my wife also doesn’t like the look of it. I’m looking at this, a Niche Duo, Lagom P64, Mazzer Philos (best looking imo) or the Weber Key MK2. I was also thinking about a Zerno Z1 but they’re too hard to get. Thanks
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot. It is tough option, you could also consider the Varia VS6 (review will be coming in a few days on our channel ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter hey thanks for replying. I’ll look out for your review of the Varia Vs6 for sure. I bought the DF64v and whilst it had a lot of potential there’s loads of static generated and it makes a very annoying noise when turned off which I assume are transistors in and around the variable speed control. Audible from quite a distance away. Thanks 🙏
@@chrismccannIRL Hi there, we loved the DF64V, it checks all the boxes but without RDT, it is very tough to use. Try RDT, it will benefit massively from that ☕️🤍
@@_sx_Sometimes it's best to ignore peoples complaints, because most people are probably happy (and NOT saying anything) and a small majority of people aren't happy and THEY make themselves heard... Apparently the Lagom Mini got rid of the dial indicator numbers because people (NEWBS?) complained the numbers were confusing or ruined the look or something? It's stupid! I can't believe some of the suggestions some of these companies will listen to!
Merry Christmas coffee shelter thanks for he gift of 2 awesome reviews this week. I have the Grindmaster on order and can’t wait to receive it! I for sure would be happy with either grinder though
Hi there! Thank you so much for your kind words, energetic feedback is what keeps us pushing to do what we love 💯🤍 You will definitely be happy and pleased with the GrindMaster. Please do share your feedback with us in the comments section of the review video once you do get it, we would love to hear your thoughts. Enjoy the rest of the year and Happy New Year to you and all your loved ones 🤍☕️
Adjustment dial should be medium firm, not difficult to turn. Maybe it needs some more grease. Or the burr carrier needs to be de-burred. Mine had lots of sharp edges. It does work well so far. I'm very new to it. I didn't check alignment. That's next.
Hi there, with us, it has always been love/hate feeling to the 83mm CV SSP burrs. We probably would prefer them over the HighUniformity, but personally prefer the MP in general ☕️🤍
Hi there, it is not fair to compare the two considering the price difference. It is definetly more capable, more customisable, and more user friendly in Espresso. Nonetheless, the Timemore 078s stock burrs were wonderful for filter, and gives delicious espresso. We personally were not able to give final verdict as we only had the 078 and installed 078s burrs on it. Thank you for your kind words 🤍☕️😊
@@ourcoffeeshelterI believe the final (non Kickstarter) price of the 078s is around 650usd. Close to the 700/800 of the df83v, so I suppose both are in the same price bracket. So...df83v > 078s?
@@Danglegin From what I've seen so far the DF83v seems like the better option, although the burr size is actually larger on the 078s so it has potential for better burr upgrades maybe.
Hi there, the problem with Gen 1 is the retention of the last 1 gram and it usually gets re-grind. The ability of adjustable RPM, and pre-breaker/beans-feeder , Plasma generator, you will be getting a more enjoyable experience overall. Tastewise difference, it is a tough question, we wouldn't say it would be massive difference 👌
@@ourcoffeeshelter If similar grinders (e.g. DF64v & DF83v) can you give little more detail regarding taste improvement from 83mm burrs vs 64mm? Some think 83mm provides smoother and with little more depth of flavor, as well as (maybe?) easier to dial in for some of the 83mm. Trying to know if it's worth the increased cost of 83mm vs 64mm if same burr type-geometry especially since so many more burrs are avail. for 83mm. Thank you
The DF83v comes also with a black metal lid instead of the wooden lid . I’m pretty sure you can fit the black metal lid on the below from any other DF grinder . Will be cool if you can show how the DF83v will look with black metal lid
Thanks for this review, finally pulled the trigger for my niche zero successor, small q about the Normcore Knock Box, is that the m size or s that fits to the DF83v?
Hi there, hopefully you will love it, hope the discount code was of help. The Normcore is the small one, we also have discount code for Normcore that you can feel free to benefit from 👉 OCS5% We would love to hear your feedback once you recieve your DF83V, feel free to share it here 🤍☕️👌😊
I think that for now it's the best electric single dose grinder for home use 1. Vertical burrs for good single dose performance 2. Low speed grinding 3. Price
Hi there, the price tag plays a huge rule in any of our reviews. If this was $3000 grinder, we would have been much more picky in regards to the quality control (having the guide arrow not 100 vertical), sizewise, designwise, nonetheless, this grinder has a serial number of 0001, have to be fair here. Still, we are genuinely pleased of using it in a daily bases and it checks so many boxes. Definitely a strong competitor in the market and will be loved by many ☕️🤍
Great video (Viewer from australia). I have a niche zero which I use for espresso, moslty milk drinks/long blacks. Thinking of purchasing this for filter and other larger grind size type coffees. Would this grinder be a great addition next to the Niche? or would you even recommending just replacing the Niche using SSP MP burs for both esspresso/milk drinks and filter coffees? If as an additional maching, would I still benifet in forking out more for the MP Burrs or stick to stock Filter burrs? Note: I always enjoy my cups, but always looking to wow my guests. Thank you
Hi there! Honestly if you got the SSP MP well aligned in the DF83v, you will have no need for another grinder. Either filter or espresso. That being said, some people tend to miss the thick body in their espresso and SSP MP gives extra clarity in espresso and less body. You can also consider having both the DF83v, and the DF54 (video will be live in 5 hours, make sure to check it 👌😊). The DF54 will give you that extra body. Another consideration is the DF83V + the Varia VS3 (Which is conical burr). We have discount codes for all of them that you can feel free to benefit from. Goodluck, hope you have a lovely day, and cheers to all our friends in Australia 🤍☕️😊
At lowest RPM, it sounds like a woodpecker ❗🤣😂
😂😂😂
It will be my new grinder, BTW in the first time u mentioned the burrs u said MP while u were holding the HU
Hi there, thank you for noting that, it is an editting honest mistake. We tried to get the video ready as soon as possible to help our friends of having a reference if they wish to pre-order it ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter Alright mate, still waiting for the 83 burss comparison, maybe u can give us an idea how it compares to the 64 also
@@ahmedhrhrah3426 Hi there, everything regarding the burrs has already been mentioned. There was only two seconds in the video where it was showing HU burrs instead of MP, it is a visual error, everything that was spoken is the feedback.
Tastewise compared to the 64mm, not that much, they are almost identical, sometimes the 83mm felt easier to dial in for espresso.
🤍☕️
So for filter specific usage you're saying go with the dlc brew burrs over the ssp MP burrs or the lab sweet burrs?
Hi there, it is a tough option, we personally probably would prefer the SSP MP, but the stock DLC Brew burrs are really good, it is just if you have the two, the MP might be more enjoyable ☕️🤍
what is the material of the auger and burr chamber?
Hi there, not sure about that, either Aluminium or stainless steel, but probably Aluminium. You could get in touch with DF64 to ask about this 🤍☕️
I’m looking for an upgrade from my df64 w. SSP MPs. I’m 90% filter, 10% espresso, but for espresso I tend to use my 1zpresso K-Max. Would you recommend to go with the brew burrs or to go straight for the SSP MPs? How do the two compare for filter, which one do you ultimately prefer?
Thanks!
Hi there, between the brew burrs of the MP burrs, definitely go for the Brew burrs. They are much cheaper, they are even slightly better than the MP (not super confident in this, but for the few comparison brews they felt better or the same).
The only disadvantage is that you won't be able to brew espresso with them.
Timemore Sculptor 078 is a great consideration for only filter grinder 👌☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter thank you for the answer! And would you consider it a worthy upgrade from the DF64 w SSP MP?
@@Bendysser This is a tough question as the DF64 had many issues with the declumper and some grind retention (the last 0.5g used to be powdery). We cannot highly recommended the upgrade, maybe wait for something new!
The Mazzer Philos looks promising, which we will be reviewing soon 👌☕️🤍
So a sticky dial and a potentially cross threaded grind dial adjuster is no big deal...especially when you need to adjust 0.25 marks? Makes it a joy to use? ..I'd rather spend 2x more but get a much better and reliable UX.
Hi there, the thread felt solid, thick, and well machined. We doubt you will ever face an issue with cross-threading.
The point regarding the thread is that probably they did not calculate where the arrow should be placed correctly in the first place, to be fair, the serial number of this grinder is 0001, so have to be fair here too.
If you have the budget, definitely go with something premium, we personally love premium quality tools. Nonetheless, if we take price tag into consideration, people who wish to get 83mm resutls who are on a budget, we cannot think of anything in the market to compete with that price range. Similar to the very first DF64, it is definitely not perfect, but it opened the approach of single dose 64mm burrs to thousands of coffee friends.
We plan to review higher quality large flat burrs grinders and compare them with the DF83v along the way, stay tuned for that ☕️🤍
How was the LAB SWEET BURRS? Didn’t hear you mention it other than @ 10:06. For FILTER/DRIP COFFEE only which do you prefer Lab Sweet or Brew Burr?
Thank you
Hi there, it depends on your roasting preference and tasting preference. Our favourite was the Multipurpose. LabSweet is also really nice, it highlights sweetness and the body is thicker, but Multipurpose gives clearer shots and tasting notes separation, especially with medium to light roasts 🤍☕️👌
The auger runs with the front burr off. What could possibly go wrong there? It sounds out of balance and that the burrs aren't aligned especially at High RPMs. The only advantages to this grinder are its Chinese knock off / clone pricing and its big ass burrs.
No locking screws on the dial/front. Seems like it will drift.
There is a locking screw.
Hey there, there is a tiny screw to recalibrate the dial, similar to the DF64v ☕️🤍
Im very skeptical about the marketing of these grinders. Creators seem to treat them way too nicely. Not saying theyre bad but they pick on much more established profucts way more than these. And rarely hear the videos arent sponsored.
Hi there, that is majorly because you have to take price tag into consideration to be 100% fair. When a manufacturer has the freedom of budget, they can definitely address any small issues, however, in most budget friendly cases you hear the term it won't be achievable with this price tag.
The idea is that, 83mm, 680w motor, adjustable rpm, DLC burrs, you cannot find anything even close at that price in the market.
In regards to being sponsored, this was a review unit, however, we would never have accepted it in the first place if we are not able to 100% share our own opinion. You can already appreciate and make your own decision based on the demonstration in the video.
Hope you have a lovely day and if you have any questions regarding the grinder, please, do not hesitate in asking them. We are always happy to answer all our friends ☕️🤍
The original DF64 had alot of problems and creators let people know about it. When a company listens to their customers and fixes issues then they can come out with great products. I think that's the best thing about these grinders.
@lothar1080 don't get me wrong I'm sure these are great products. But check out Aramse he did a video on the df64 and 83. A lot of the things he mentions either weren't mentioned by others or completely brushed over. I was in the market for one and literally watched every video out there about it. In the end a lot of the creators j find more credible like hoffman or Lance never did videos on them or never really went into detail on it. I think they're great products but they seem to be recieveing alot of conformity bias.
@@ShayanGivehchianI just watched two Lance videos on the DF83 V1 and V2. The likes them a lot, particularly the V2 with the plasma generator and lower static.
@@lothar1080 But they brushed over some issues several been experiencing with later, many had consistentcy issues and moving zero points even after break in with df83, df64v had numerous stalling reports and wobbling carriers. There been too many reports of issues for me to trust them just yet.
Wow, this is such a great video. Thanks for sharing. I currently have a multipurpose grinder worth about $200, thinking about upgrading to this. I like the bigger dial for switching between drip and espresso that eureka doesn’t have. I am wondering if I do about 50% drip and 50% espresso, do you think the stock espresso burrs would be the best option? Also wondering how you found the transition to be between drip and espresso?
I don’t think I can afford the $300 upgrade yet to SSP. Curious to get your thoughts.
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot!
You will be very pleased with the stock burrs. We really enjoyed them in both filter and espresso. Definitely SSP MP gave that push in clarity and crispness for filter, but you are not missing huge difference with the stock burrs in your case.
Another consideration is DF64v with SSP MP burrs. Both option would be very nice for you, and hopefully the video was able to shed some light on pros and cons.
You can feel free to check this video:
th-cam.com/video/bOnWqJVXQ8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Z4DMPhc9F3Ft73gj
Goodluck! 🤍☕️
對於這台DF83V 我很期待可以在台灣看到,尤其你有提到在手沖部分可以表達還不錯
Great review. I appreciate you sharing which you would choose and why. It was exactly what I was looking for
Thank you! Your kind words mean a lot 🤍☕️
Just wanted to know if the auger on the DF83V is a ?
1. true “pre breaker” (meaning there’s minimal room for beans to flow and they all get crushed in a uniform way like in the zerno)
2. Or is it just a “bean feeder “ ( meaning there’s a bigger gap for the beans to flow down and some beans might get crushed and some not)
Looks more like a bean feeder. I saw several whole beans getting pulled toward the burrs.
Hi there, we did it test it without burrs, regretting not shooting that and including it in the video.
It is around 50/50, breaks half of them, then cuts half of them. However, we were not 100% sure if it will eventually breaks more as without burrs, there is more empty room. Nonetheless, to simply put it, it is mostly feeder, but it definitely breaks a decent percentage before delivering them to the burrs ☕️🤍
It’s a bean carrier not a bean breaker. A bean breaker/prebreaker is designed such all beans regardless of size get prebroken by being crushed between the prebreaker and chamber walls to do so the bean need to be larger then the “wing” and or slot between these, on a feeder the beans are meant to end in the slots and brought forward. You can clearly see the beans fit the slot on carrier and are brought forward where some are broken others not, this is typical for bean feeders
@@mikni4069 Hi there, we agree with you, nonetheless, it is still breaking a decent amount of beans before feeding them to the burrs.
Thanks for testing the filter burrs for espresso. The filter burrs look like a replica of the Ceado 83mm E37Z Hero burrset. The outfall is huge though. Nice sized motor on that grinder!
Surething, we always aim to test anything that might be interesting to our friends. If you have anything in mind that you wish us to do in future videos, always glad to hear constructive feedback 🤍☕️
Regarding the burrs, they do look the kind of the same yes, we checked all of Ceado's burr geometry in our HostMilano 2023 video ☕️🤍👌
I saw your video of host where you were at the Ceado booth. Great video!
For sure the dlc brew burrs cannot go fine enough for espresso?
It'd be great to get your opinion on this grinder with stock espresso burrs and the 078s... comparing both espresson and filter... PLEASE!
Hi there, the 078s will offer more clarity, but personally we enjoyed the user experience of this one over the 078s. The 078s dial and the proccess of dialing in is just not espresso friendly ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter FYI, I've opted for a df83v and ssp HU burrs... should do the trick!
@@markpalmos Congratulations, it's a wonderful option 🤍☕👌
Good morning. I'm from Poland, where there are no opinions about these grinders. I am considering buying DF83V or DF64 2nd generation. The first one is twice as expensive, but it is not a problem for me. I like the design of the DF83V more, but I have two comments about it. I don't like the function of adjusting the speed (I consider it simply unnecessary) and I don't like the POWER button, so I'm concerned whether the grinder should be turned off using this button after each use (so that the device heats up and prevents a fire). Please advise me which grinder to choose. I would like to mention that I only drink espresso
Thank you for such a detailed review. If you were to only make filter coffee, would you take the 078 with turbo burrs or the df83v with dlc brew burrs? Also, how do the dlc brew burrs compare with the ssp mp in terms of clarity, sweetness, etc? For reference, I currently have an ode with ssp gen1 brew burrs. Thanks, and Merry Christmas!
I only bought my 078 bcus of the Timemore ks. Price was close to Ode V2. I would hold the urge to upgrade, and only if you need a more focused espresso grinder then upgrade. The dlc would be worse or on par with your ode imo.. The 83v is a nice grinder and no doubt better, and with filter specific 83 a upgrade, but also at double the price..
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot.
Those are tough questions, we will try to address them in a simple way.
Fellow Ode burrs are really nice, we spoke about them in this video:
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ODE Gen 2 burrs tend to the sweet side while maintaining enjoyable clarity. SSP MP (and the Brew burrs, which are called MP gen 1 sometimes), they highlight tbe clarity and if are dialed correctly, they will give clean, crisp, sweet, and juicy brews.
The 83mm MP are almost identical, hard to notice any difference.
The 078 burrs are really good, but we personally found them a bit hard to dial-in, and gives better restoration when are pushed on the finer side.
DF83V brew burrs are also a great consideration, especially they are cheaper than the SSP MP, but you can't make espresso. They are kind of similar to SSP MP, can't tell much difference between them 🤍☕️
I'm not crazy about the angle of the main part of the grinder, it doesn't look quite right to me. I'd prefer that it was parallel to the counter. Guess it's not a huge deal, but it'd probably bug me to look at it all the time.
It does look weird, however, you do kind of get used to it with time. We wouldn't say it is a beautiful grinder, that is for sure!
Forget the feedback, I need a retailer in the US…..where can we buy one?!?!?!?
That grinder sounds a lot louder than some of the other videos I've seen of the DF83V. Maybe its picking up some electrical interference. Its considerably louder than a video Espresso Oulet did.
Hi there, it is probably due to the directional microphone, nonetheless, the sound is pretty fair, it sounds like that in reality. Probably the grinding soundsl was amplified in the video due to the directional microphone and lack of surrounding noise ☕️🤍
So now whats your opinion. This df83 vertical mount vs your latest gevi grindmaster. Df83 has the bellows, larger burrs, and a very removable drop chute for easier cleaning. The grindmaster seema they made a good move with their tight thread pitch allowing smaller micron control. Which seems more stable ? Has less vibration? And which grinder out of two has more coffee retained in the chamber. With this new auger mechanisms, there seems to allow alot of coffee retention built up. I dont know if old retention gets pushed out to the new grinding dose or not?
Hi there, regarding retention, while the DF83V has larger Auger, it is fixed in the inner burr and dose not allow for retention in the inner chamber. It basically sits inside the outer burr carrier and brings the beans to the inside.
The Gevi has opposite direction, where the Auger sits inside the inner chamber and the potential of minor retention there is higher than the DF83v.
Would say both are relatively the same, the DF83v might even have less retention with the use of blower. Nonetheless, pleased with both.
As for the quality, you will be happg with either of them, if watch both reviews you will be able to have a general idea and make your decision.
The Gevi is more user friendly and easier to use. The DF83v is like a muscle car, it opens wider potential and room to try around.
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Your videos are like a therapy, very calm and relaxing :d thx for the review
Thank you! That means a lot! ☕️🤍
Great review! I have a DF64 but i like my 1Z Presso JX Pro manual grinder in terms of taste a lot more. I also joticed you have a femobook. Can you comment on how similar the taste us to the femobook is and how the DF83V compares?
Hi there, thank you for the kind feedback!
You are basically comparing Conical Burrs (1Zpresso and Femobook) with Flat Burrs(DF64). Generally speaking, conical burrs will offer better body and different mouthfeel as the ground coffee particles distribution is different. Conical gives a small peak in fine coffee particles, whereas flat burrs usually have one peak in ground particles size.
The Femobook in our opinion is one of the best conical in its category (sizewise, geometry is similar to 1Zpresso K-series and Comandante, pricewise, and usability). In our comparison review we loved it, but our main issue was the noise.
However, they have improved the noise in their latest production batch, and you can check our review here:
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The Femobook in that review was the old noisy one. You can also benefit from our Discount Code if you wish.
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I think the problem with the DF83 (original version) is the grind speed is super fast and the declumper holds back the flow of coffee, modding the declumper opens it up so it flows better and you get less fines, less retention and more flavour clarity. I kinda miss the high body and lower clarity almost conical like profile from when I first got the DF83 before modding the declumper and the stock italmill burrs got seasoned (I think they ended up getting higher clarity too).
How do you like it with the Boyt burrs now? 😅
@@julianpark93 I'm liking them, but I was also liking the seasoned Italmill burrs I think they might be similar tasting, but I wish I had another DF83 so I can compare side by side. I think I might be getting a little stronger flavour notes out of the BOYT burrs, where DF83 with Italmill generally seemed to produce weaker (possibly lower extracted) coffees.
Nice video, thanks! I am puzzled about who makes this grinder. The DF64 can be found in China everywhere. But this one is not to be seen in Chinese stores, at least not with this name.
Hi there, it is by DF64, but they might haven't started mass production yet.
You can check it here:
Df64coffee.com , and feel free to use our discount code in that case 👉 OCS5%
Great video. The Normcore KnockBox you set it on in the video, was that the small or medium? Thanks!
Hi there, it is the small 🤍☕️
Lowest RPM setting on the DF64v is 600 not 500. I have the df64v here.
Hi there, you are correct, thank you for noting that ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter Very nice review nonetheless. I'm happy with my df64v but would've been nice if there was a plasma generator in that grinder also like the df83v and the dr64gen2.
@@BobGeffen Agreed, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot 🤍
let's give it 11 puffs
great review!! thanks a lot
Hehehehe, had the same idea while editing the video. Thank you! ☕️🤍😊
Hello, at 2:58 and 3:05 it sounds like burrs rubs against each other. Is it construction inside unstable and on some range of RPMs start wobbling?
Hi there, at the beginning with low RPM, there was some coarse ground coffee between the burrs, and once the RPM was ramped, everything was cleared. The motor sound is high as the microphone we use is directional and it is picking 100% of the sound. In reality it is quieter (less noticable). 🤍☕️
This is really informative video thanks. If you were to choose one grinder from the following for espresso what would you choose (stock espresso burrs). I quite like the features of the DF83v here but my wife thinks it looks like the front of a steam train. I have a Gevi Grindmaster but my wife also doesn’t like the look of it. I’m looking at this, a Niche Duo, Lagom P64, Mazzer Philos (best looking imo) or the Weber Key MK2. I was also thinking about a Zerno Z1 but they’re too hard to get. Thanks
Hi there, thank you for the kind words, it means a lot.
It is tough option, you could also consider the Varia VS6 (review will be coming in a few days on our channel ☕️🤍
@@ourcoffeeshelter hey thanks for replying. I’ll look out for your review of the Varia Vs6 for sure. I bought the DF64v and whilst it had a lot of potential there’s loads of static generated and it makes a very annoying noise when turned off which I assume are transistors in and around the variable speed control. Audible from quite a distance away. Thanks 🙏
@@chrismccannIRL Hi there, we loved the DF64V, it checks all the boxes but without RDT, it is very tough to use. Try RDT, it will benefit massively from that ☕️🤍
The major switch seems necessary so you can set the RPM without the motor running.
Hi there, the thing is they don't have it in the DF64v, so not sure why they decided to put it here!
I think it's because some people complained that the DF64V rpm dial light is always on.
@@_sx_Sometimes it's best to ignore peoples complaints, because most people are probably happy (and NOT saying anything) and a small majority of people aren't happy and THEY make themselves heard... Apparently the Lagom Mini got rid of the dial indicator numbers because people (NEWBS?) complained the numbers were confusing or ruined the look or something? It's stupid! I can't believe some of the suggestions some of these companies will listen to!
Merry Christmas coffee shelter thanks for he gift of 2 awesome reviews this week. I have the Grindmaster on order and can’t wait to receive it!
I for sure would be happy with either grinder though
Hi there! Thank you so much for your kind words, energetic feedback is what keeps us pushing to do what we love 💯🤍
You will definitely be happy and pleased with the GrindMaster. Please do share your feedback with us in the comments section of the review video once you do get it, we would love to hear your thoughts.
Enjoy the rest of the year and Happy New Year to you and all your loved ones 🤍☕️
Beautiful shape, and at low speeds I think it won because of the shape and where the coffee comes out
Are the SSP multipurpose burrs a good upgrade for a DF83 with the DLC espresso burrs producing exclusively espresso?
Adjustment dial should be medium firm, not difficult to turn. Maybe it needs some more grease. Or the burr carrier needs to be de-burred. Mine had lots of sharp edges. It does work well so far. I'm very new to it. I didn't check alignment. That's next.
Great review! I like how the "V" version looks vs the regular DF83. I have built in grinder in espresso machine and this one is so much quieter.
Thank you! It is larger or lengthier than the normal DF83, but it is definitely more practical to use and looks better 🤍☕️👌
Thank you ! I will get one >__< Thank you for such a good video
You're most welcome, please, feel free to share your feedback with us here once you get it. We are always happy to hear our friends' thoughts 🤍☕️
Thanks for the fantastic review! Why isn't there any comparison videos of this grinder Vs Sculptor 078s???
Hi there, would say this will win in regards to versatility and practicality 🤍☕️👌
@@ourcoffeeshelter Ah, that's good to know since it's the one I bought in the end! 😄😄😄
@@AnotherAnonymousMan Congratulations, we do our best to reply on all comments, the newer videos we try to respond earlier 🤍☕️
How do you like the cast burrs??
Hi there, with us, it has always been love/hate feeling to the 83mm CV SSP burrs. We probably would prefer them over the HighUniformity, but personally prefer the MP in general ☕️🤍
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No cake for you then! 🎂
@@ourcoffeeshelter 😂😂
@@appreciatizer5911 😄🤍☕️
Must be a bad joke lol, it have higher price even comparing to eureka's oro premium grinders..
Such a large motor can turn the GFCI off with a 20amp espresso machine, perhaps?
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Great review, thanks! is it really better compared to the timemore 78S?
Hi there, it is not fair to compare the two considering the price difference. It is definetly more capable, more customisable, and more user friendly in Espresso.
Nonetheless, the Timemore 078s stock burrs were wonderful for filter, and gives delicious espresso. We personally were not able to give final verdict as we only had the 078 and installed 078s burrs on it.
Thank you for your kind words 🤍☕️😊
@@ourcoffeeshelterI believe the final (non Kickstarter) price of the 078s is around 650usd. Close to the 700/800 of the df83v, so I suppose both are in the same price bracket. So...df83v > 078s?
@@Danglegin From what I've seen so far the DF83v seems like the better option, although the burr size is actually larger on the 078s so it has potential for better burr upgrades maybe.
How do I enter the giveaway?
Hi there, check the first link in the discription 🤍☕️
Very good review.
Thank you.
Thank you! Your kind feedback means a lot! 🤍☕️👏
Sounds like a push mower at the higher RPM.
Do you recommend changing from the Niche Zero grinder to df83v ?
Definitely ☕️🤍👌
Good luck for ever ❤
Thank you! ❤️
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Kind of!
I have the df64 gen 1 with ssp mp and hu, would there be a noticeable jump in clarity with 83mm burrs or just marginal?
Hi there, the problem with Gen 1 is the retention of the last 1 gram and it usually gets re-grind. The ability of adjustable RPM, and pre-breaker/beans-feeder , Plasma generator, you will be getting a more enjoyable experience overall. Tastewise difference, it is a tough question, we wouldn't say it would be massive difference 👌
@@ourcoffeeshelter thank you :)
@@ourcoffeeshelter If similar grinders (e.g. DF64v & DF83v) can you give little more detail regarding taste improvement from 83mm burrs vs 64mm? Some think 83mm provides smoother and with little more depth of flavor, as well as (maybe?) easier to dial in for some of the 83mm. Trying to know if it's worth the increased cost of 83mm vs 64mm if same burr type-geometry especially since so many more burrs are avail. for 83mm. Thank you
How’s the filter vs Pietro?
Hi there, we did not put them side by side, but the difference won't ve massive as the Pietro already produce very delicious filter coffee 🤍☕️
Can you please show the grinder with black metal lid ?
Hi there, which one ? Can you be more specific?
The DF83v comes also with a black metal lid instead of the wooden lid . I’m pretty sure you can fit the black metal lid on the below from any other DF grinder . Will be cool if you can show how the DF83v will look with black metal lid
Thanks for this review, finally pulled the trigger for my niche zero successor, small q about the Normcore Knock Box, is that the m size or s that fits to the DF83v?
Hi there, hopefully you will love it, hope the discount code was of help.
The Normcore is the small one, we also have discount code for Normcore that you can feel free to benefit from 👉 OCS5%
We would love to hear your feedback once you recieve your DF83V, feel free to share it here 🤍☕️👌😊
I think that for now it's the best electric single dose grinder for home use
1. Vertical burrs for good single dose performance
2. Low speed grinding
3. Price
Hi there, the price tag plays a huge rule in any of our reviews. If this was $3000 grinder, we would have been much more picky in regards to the quality control (having the guide arrow not 100 vertical), sizewise, designwise, nonetheless, this grinder has a serial number of 0001, have to be fair here. Still, we are genuinely pleased of using it in a daily bases and it checks so many boxes. Definitely a strong competitor in the market and will be loved by many ☕️🤍
Great video (Viewer from australia). I have a niche zero which I use for espresso, moslty milk drinks/long blacks. Thinking of purchasing this for filter and other larger grind size type coffees. Would this grinder be a great addition next to the Niche? or would you even recommending just replacing the Niche using SSP MP burs for both esspresso/milk drinks and filter coffees?
If as an additional maching, would I still benifet in forking out more for the MP Burrs or stick to stock Filter burrs?
Note: I always enjoy my cups, but always looking to wow my guests.
Thank you
Hi there! Honestly if you got the SSP MP well aligned in the DF83v, you will have no need for another grinder. Either filter or espresso.
That being said, some people tend to miss the thick body in their espresso and SSP MP gives extra clarity in espresso and less body.
You can also consider having both the DF83v, and the DF54 (video will be live in 5 hours, make sure to check it 👌😊). The DF54 will give you that extra body.
Another consideration is the DF83V + the Varia VS3 (Which is conical burr). We have discount codes for all of them that you can feel free to benefit from.
Goodluck, hope you have a lovely day, and cheers to all our friends in Australia 🤍☕️😊
wowwwwwwwwww perfect
Thank you! ☕️🤍😊