Kenobi will be The Reva show. She’ll be some misunderstood force user that was brainwashed by evil white man and she’ll end up sacrificing herself or saving Kenobi/Luke. She’ll be a good guy by the end.
@@GIBBO4182 yah pretty much. I’ve been sharing that perspective from the moment the first teaser dropped. It sounds alike many people are seeing the same thing.
Let's be honest with ourselves. He have been deeply imprinted as children with the Star Wars 'brand', so we have this unconscious pull towards anything involving it. Disney depends on this imprinting to sell products. One must override the attachment to a media title and objectively look at this. It is rationality that tells you this will not be good, listen to it. Or your beloved brand will remain in the hands of those who would destroy it.
I guarantee the black female antagonist will end up either turning good in the end or her actions will have some strange morally questionable justification. She won’t just be an out and out evil person
They did the same thing in Jedi Fallen Order with Trilla, a diverse female Inquisitor who turned good in the end, but at least she was formerly the Apprentice of one of the main characters, and she was beat by the straight white mail mc first, and she also immediately got murdered by Vader after.
Though that in itself is not a problem. Darth Vader turned out not to be an out and out evil person either. But if they make her actually morally BETTER than Obi Wan in the end (as suggested in this video, maybe she somehow saves Luke even before Obi Wan does) that would be something else entirely.
She’ll turn good at the end and realize her ways and then sacrifice herself to save little Luke at the last second when Obi-Wan fails to do so, thereby making her among the most important characters in all of Star Wars, because without her stunning bravery and powerful femininity, Luke would never grow up and the original trilogy would never happen.
Yes, but the original trilogy and the accomplishments of its characters have already been made utterly useless by the sequel trilogy. They left no stone unturned. There simply was no point to any of the first six movies. There was another secret Empire with 100x the power of Sidious's empire that just flew in after the battle of Endor and imposed the exact same role in the galaxy. Han and Leia broke up and they raised space Hitler, Luke TRAINED space Hitler, a man who would be behind the destruction of like 8 planets. So the heroes never actually saved ANYTHING, and they made the galaxy a far worse place. They raised and trained a kid and failed so spectacularly that he blew up 8 planets, murdering billions or trillions of life forms. The emperor didn't really die at the end of Return of the Jedi. Literally every big moment from the first 6 movies was systematically revised to take away all credit for all these characters anyway. You're absolutely right though.
Don't forget their remake of the original trilogy where it turns out that Luke is completely useless and Leia does literally everything, from saving herself to defeating Darth Vader.
> Origin/ hard recontextualization of why hes looking after Luke on Tatooine at all [it will probably be changed to be about eliminating Luke if he went dark side instead of protecting him from being exploited by the Empire] > Origin for the line 'in my experience theres no such thing as luck" > Origin for the cloak he wears in OT [its not just his jedi robes..anymore] > Origin for how he got the credits to give to Han Solo in 4 > Han Solo appearance. Count on that > Did you know the Jedi were British colonial white supremacists Trump voters??
@@ANobodyatall I mean the sith are the last remains of a culture of colored people genocided by the Jedi and old republic. Or is that a bad thing because none of the modren sith are actual members of the sith species making it cultural appropriation? You know what forgetnlets just respect the culture of the new immigrants and let the Yuzan Ving kill everyone
That last one seems accurate considering Disney ignores or forgets about the Prequels Jedi temple consisting of more alien Jedi. But hey, according to them, aliens don't count as people. That's how bonkers racist they are.
Nailed it, sir. Nailed it. The strong female POC will be the antagonist for episodes 1 - 3.5 and then at the end of episode 3/start of episode 4 she'll suddenly have a change of heart, see the error of her ways, denounce the patriarchy, and fight against the Empire. We'll then see Kenobi sidelined during episode 5 so the strong female POC can establish her character. Then in season 6 Kenobi wistfully announces, "I have seen too much death and horror in one lifetime. I must return to my exile. You must continue this fight." Roll credits with teaser for "Star Wars: Strong Female POC show coming Winter 2022!"
@@SeasoningTheObese Ahhh the perfect title!! I mean that seems to be their only goal at this point. "Hey those last 22 woke movies and shows failed...has anyone got any ideas?" "How about a new woke TV show that insults the fans?" "I think we have a hit on our hands ladies and gentlemen!!"
@@mghammer5530 I was lol'ing when I started writing it but 30 seconds later I was like "Oh God...yeah they'll totally do this." 😂 This is going to be a suckfest of enormous proportions.
What's funny, is how Jedi Fallen Order did something similar with Cal being pursued by the Second Sister. But she was actually evil the whole time and was killed by Vader.
It's literally the same story with reva. The leaks which I guarantee are 100% real show only 1 moment of compassion where reva refuses to kill a child. She doesn't turn goof though she goes back to vader and vader kills her because she's weak and a liar
The inquisitors were all right as villains in the rebels cgi show or in fallen order (Video game) because the protagonists were only padawans who still had to learn a lot. Master kenobi was one of the most powerful jedi of the republic. He'd defeat those clowns without breaking a sweat. So they either have to ruin him and make him pathetic in his own show or break the established lore of the inqusitors and make them as powerful as actual sith lords. The result will be stupid either way
I can see it maybe working if kenobi tries to just evade them as much as possible to keep himself hidden, but it breaks down when you realize that if they did encounter eachother he would just immediately delete them and there'd be no tension
Yeah the guy held his own against Dooku, the guy who was trained by Yoda, bested Windu and Qui Gon Jin, was also trained by Sidious when he turned, and is the only one who could match Yoda. Not to mention knew all 7 forms of the lightsaber fighting styles. He also beat Maul and fought both Assaj and Grievous, killing the latter. The guy has more experience and training and a a male is far stronger than her. But hey, the MaRey Suewalker curse will always afflict Disney's storytelling. And they never get the characters of previous trilogies right. Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, Boba. All character assassinated. All to push up their far inferior characters, especially their MaRey Suewalker insert. Or at least try to.
4:20 “At least they haven’t fucked up Darth Vader.” They already did with TROS, by taking away Vader/Anakin’s redemption of killing the Emperor and giving the “real” kill to Rey instead.
@@wolfwarlordjake8992 true. But at least in that instance Luke was the one who managed to finally put Creamy Sheev down for good and left his spirit to be ripped to shreds by the Dark Side
@@wolfwarlordjake8992 Right but back then nobody liked that storyline and it was one of the stories people brought up as an example for why the EU should be deleted. Then they tried to convince themselves it was good actually when Disney fucking did it.
Vader’s aim was turning Luke to the dark side as his master instructed, but he failed and when the time came to kill his son he ended up choosing the light side. Which redeemed his character for siding with Palpatine decades ago while also bringing balance to the force. Then comes TROS, which cannot explain how Palpatine survived two explosions, and gives the real defeat of the dark lord and balance of the force to Rey. Star Wars Episodes 1-6 are centered around Anakin and his journey to tragedy and redemption. Then comes Rey who ends up re-doing Vader’s act of stopping Palpatine in ROTJ, only making sure this time it’s “for real”, which does fuck over Vader’s journey.
If someone told me 10 years ago that there would be an Obi-wan Kenobi TV show, I would be very excited. However, after a decade of being burned by every reboot, sequel and spinoff, I would just be torturing myself to have any hope that this show will be worth watching.
@@PetrPss It was exciting when Disney bought Lucasfilm because we knew there would be new movies and games. What we got was disappointing, at least to me.
Be prepared to subvert our expectations about Kenobi through deconstruction of his character as a more cynical, egotistical and silly the same time version of Kenobi by Alec Guinness.
@@captainbrainius6273 This reminds me of the modern art that has as purpose to shock us by subverting the classical norms. But, this shit is so common now that an actual subversion is to see something truly beautiful and talented.
I actually wouldn´t mind a more cynical version of Kenobi. I mean, it would honestly make sense. He had failed to stop the destruction of his order, left his best friend to burn alive, and spent years on a backwater planet full of shady characters. It would be quite interesting to see him face moral dilemmas, being forced to choose between helping the innocent and protecting not only Luke, but also himself, so that he can protect Luke.
@@thanosandnobill3789 Haha I must say it is positively bewildering to hear people starting to say this! I've been saying exactly this since I was a teenager in the mid-90s! The NINETIES!!!! Even then as a stupid high school kid I was noticing how "untraditional" and "irreverent" were being used as both descriptors of merit and marketing highlights. I actually had to look up what "reverent" itself meant because I was only familiar with it's opposite. I wrote an essay in an English class about the untraditional having become tradition and the irreverent having become reverent expressing frustration at the idea that this was still considered something new and shocking when it had become totally regular. We are in desperate need of a return to earnestness. The New Sincerity movement needs to come back!
How exactly is this sith inquisitor supposed to be a threat to Obi wan Kenobi? The guy who defeated general grievous and anakin skywalker (chosen one). Having a sith inquisitor as the antagonist runs into the major problem of having the protagonist being (much) more powerful than the antagonist from the very start. Darth Vader/Emperor are THE only antagonists that can exist in this story. This is like the equivalent of having a story about jango fett where the main antagonist is jar jar binks, it's just ridiculous.
Exactly. Fallen Order and Rebels establishes that Inquisitors are a match for Padawans and young Knights. Fuck, Cal Kestis defeated two Inquisitors after half a decade hiding. Obi Wan fucking Kenobi could beat the Grand Inquisitor in his sleep.
You don't get it, Kenobi is a white man, which means he is bad. On top of that, he is sad because because he is so bad and can't stop being bad. Any strong whamen of color can easily defeat a white man.
I'm so excited to watch Kenobi and see the main character develop and progress through the story! She is so Black and Strong and we have never seen that before in Star Wars! At Last!!!
Nah, man. In spirit, yes... but Diz-nee will never cancel a show the way that the CW did... no matter how bad it gets. Doubling down is dis-nee's default reaction to any criticism. Same with Paramount/CBS/Viacom and Star Trek. Just the most embarrassing, cringeworthy doubling down there is. "What?" "3 percent viewer score? Ratings in the shitter?" "Better make three more shows!"
At least Ms. Marvel is straight and has her eyes on a guy, not a girl, though she is a Muslim, so I guess Marvel wanted to avoid the death warrants but not making her one 😂
It would be cool if they showed more of Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship as apprentice and master, and of course as friends, over the course of the clone wars and before that. That said, knowing who is in the writer's seat, that will likley not be happening, and will just be more of the sludge that's been dripping out of the Disney meat grinder. Man, I remember when Disney was all about Animation and wonder. While having it's fair share of issues since it's start and onwards, there was a time and not even that long ago where Disney held alot of respect and deserved it for the work put in. Now it's just a deformed blob assimilating whatever it can into it's mass. Alot of folk often make Mickey look all evil and the like, but I think it's unfair to a character that is as much victim to the ones in control who just do not care about his, or his creator's legacy. We are living in interesting times.
Drinker called it, this is going to be the everyone-but-Kenobi show. And the "redeemed inquisitor/Imperial" story has already been done repeatedlty, every new SW product has it.
Honestly thus far it seems entirely about Kenobi. I hope to Jesus it stays that way because aside from Reva being extra as fuck, the stories pretty decent and heavily focuses on Kenobi’s remembering his lost family
They already did the "dark skinned strong female inquisitor breaks the evil conditioning and becomes good" story line in Jedi Fallen Order with Trilla.
@@meeep9099 didn’t say she was able to get redemption, just that she broke the conditioning and changed sides, just happened to be right in front of Vader and he doesn’t mess around, lol.
Trilla did not turn good. At the end when Cal beat her sh said to Vader 'avenge me' or something like that before he killed her. I can understand why many might think she was saying it to Cal but I disagree.
I have not paid much attention to any of the lore about the era between episodes 3-4, but I just don't buy the idea of the inquisitors being a threat to Kenobi. They come across as diet sith and everytime I seen clips of them flying away with their spinning lightsabers...I just can't help but laugh.
Honestly, I never liked the idea of the Inquisitors. I don't see how a fallen Anakin backed by a clone army can take down the Jedi, but Vader (even with his injuries and suit-borne limitations) backed by an army of stormtroopers needs to harvest a bunch of pseudo-Sith to pick off the handful of survivors. It's one area where I definitively criticize Lucas' meddling in his own story.
Kenobi in name only KINO It will be very stunning. In terms of how bad it is. But not so brave. In many ways I'm guessing there will only be villains and no heroes. Since Disney doesn't understand how to write heroic or brave characters anymore. Maybe Luke and baby Yoda will make cameos or something. Since that's the only trick Disney stumbled upon and immediately ruined.
Stunning and Brave. Kenobi and Uncle Lowen had a secret love, kenobi eventually rejected him, thus explaining Uncle Lowen's hostility towards Obiwan in New Hope.
She's definitely going to be the focus and hero of this story. Near the end she'll revert back to her jedi ways and "sacrifice" herself to Vader to save kenobi. Then in the mandoverse, which I've had about enough with after the reunion with Grogu and cameo bait that was Fett, she'll return because money.
They pulled this shit in doctor strange 2, no doubt they’ll do it here too. Kenobi will guaranteed be a side character to diverse female lead. Edit: Called it!
@@davidworrall4899 it’s a continuation of wandavision. Strange is a side character in his own film, who’s no match for her. Even though he’s taken on Dormamu. It’s also an introduction for American Chavez, another diverse Marvel hero.
All of these companies have proven over the last few years that none of them deserve the benefit of the doubt. The other thing that's been made abundantly clear is that yes, you can survive without these various entertainment companies. For myself and my family we've found we're happier without them and have found things to spend our money and time on that are so much better...
The new movies and shows are just terrible. I've had more fun playing Lego Star Wars that I have watching the "actual" Star Wars. At least the lego game doesnt try to push the message and destroy legacy characters, and it has more funny humour that the og project
How could it really be interesting though? He's supposed to be laying low, basically doing nothing for years in order to protect Luke from a distance. In fact, even that premise is kind of just a retcon. Nothing in the original trilogy indicated that he was doing anything other than living a hermit life on the outskirts of civilization.
This should be the one show that stays on tatooine, imagine if the inquisitors came up with a wild idea that vader's son might be on anakin's birth planet. They go on a secret mission to find him but obi-wan senses them first and he takes them all out one by one to protect luke. No vader, no blaster obi-wan, and no stupid redemtion arc for any of these inquisitors. Obi-wan just kicking ass for 6 episodes while having reflective moments as he waits for the arrival of the inquisitors. Maybe some anakin and obi flashbacks for hayden.
@@zionharris9432 That already runs into a problem though. If Inquisitors are going missing on Tattooine, the Empire will respond by sending more forces to put a stop to it. Obi-wan hiding as a hermit to keep an eye on Luke just in case something happens doesn't work if something actually happens before the plot of A New Hope.
@@zionharris9432 to me, the fact the inquisitors go to tattooine is worrying. I always assumed they never bothered to check tattooine cause otherwise it doesn’t make much sense how obi wan or Luke was never caught.
@@zionharris9432 Strongly disagree... Obi Wan should trick them, make them go away from Tatooine, so the big battles should all take place somewhere else.
I don't care how racist it sounds, but I will always be thinking that Moses Ingram is just there to be a black woman in Star Wars. It's a problem all these "diverse" castings have and that is your suspension of disbelief is forever shattered because you are not seeing character X, you are seeing "oh, there's the gay quota. There's the Asian quota". Also, whatever happened to 'droids and aliens and, well, imagination? We have Moses, we had Werner, we had Giancarlo, we had maskless Kylo-- where are the Darth Mauls or General Grevious'? Where are the cool NEW designs? No, instead we get a human antagonist versus a human protagonist... *yawn*
If they really wanted to subvert everyone's expectations the show will actually be about Kenobi ... But everyone can see exactly how this is going to play out, the main character will be pushed out of his own show so everyone can enjoy the strong female character!
Inquisitor went bad because of childhood trauma. She will mortally wound Kenobi, refuse to kill him and turn on vader to "save" Kenobi in "his" duel. Wager: will there be more Kenobi in Kenobi than Boba Fett in Boba Fett? Half of episodes will be flashback to show how Vader is totally Kenobi's fault.
Most definitely, Ewan McGregor is *stunning and brave* in his movies and real life for the past 15 years, I don't think this movie will escape it, not to mention Kathleen Kennedy etc.
I think the best version of this is a spiritual journey for Obi-Wan coming to terms with his failures as a master and friend. He might try to convince the Inquisitors to find peace and join the light side, though he’ll still have to fight them. He doesn’t even have to leave the planet; just show him helping people and reflecting on his life. Maybe have characters surrounding him try to protect him and Kenobi has to deal with a dilemma of protecting the future hero of Star Ward versus helping his friends who are dying around him.
Stop, just stop, you have more love for the character than the writers ever will. Go make your own story, share it to the world, spread good writing out into it. These shows are products only. They are not creative projects. They’re there for the clicks and money. You are clearly here to honor characters, and that doesn’t fly with the large corporate fluff produced today. Your dreams likely have better storylines than actual produced media you see from the likes of Disney.
There is so much to tap into with Kenobi as he goes through this period in his life. So much potential to explore as he goes through this broken time of grieving and exile. I’m just worried it’s going to be the same as Boba where they just completely ignore him for everyone else. This is a good story with Kenobi that can be told. If they don’t tap into that, then they’re idiots.
Past performance is a good indication of future development. What, pray tell, from ANY of their past decisions (either regarding the IP or in RL) makes you think they even realize what they're doing is wrong? Even if they did come to that realization, what in God's name makes you think they have the intestinal fortitude to break with tradition and actually tell a good story? 🙄
The truth of the matter is this show should’ve been the first movie out when Disney took over. They should’ve adapted the novel by John Jackson Miller Kenobi. The story keeps Obi-Wan on Tatooine trying to figure out his place in a hostile empire and him trying to watch over Luke. With a solid director and a writer to adapt it and a thoughtful development process. It would’ve made fans happy and made money. It would’ve given Disney time to understand the franchise and given them more time to develop Rogue One and the sequel trilogy. Instead Disney, like a Sith, chose the quick and easy path because they thought they new better than GL. This “Kenobi” series will be another lore breaking bait and switch by Disney & KK that will ruin Obi-Wan & Anakin/Vader like they did every OT character. I’m not excite for this series because it will also be used to justify the ST trilogies pathetic existence. These cultural vandals are done pillaging the OT. They’re off to pillage PT.
Entire fields of mathematics could be devoted to counting the seemingly-limitless 'should haves' associated with Star Wars since The Mouse took it over...
Agreed, it even included two interesting central female characters. Seemed like it was written for this, just like Heir to the Empire. The St George allegory is my favorite part, and they even could have made a straight white male suffer at the very end.
The way Kenobi should have been is Obi-Wan, sitting in a hut on Tatooine, visiting pubs at space ports, drinking with the locals, chatting about who is in town, just in case anyone starts getting close to finding out about Luke. 18 riveting seasons of that and we are straight into the original Star Wars story!
Except General Kenobi became the hermit "old Ben" on purpose, to hide himself. He was very much still Obi-Wan in A New Hope. Unlike Luke, who just decided to become an idiot thanks to the writers.
When the inquisitor was walking toward the camera with her lightsaber out and two lines of troopers behind her, I thought she was about to break out into a music video. 🤣
Agreed. I have no interest in sitting through a 4 hour live stream, with half the people on it either I don't know or find annoying. But these smaller videos are much more digestible as entertaining.
Right?! I was thinking the same thing. That's how fucking predictable Disney is though. They just push out cookie cutter trash and make sure the "right" people shine the brightest. It's boring and sad, they don't give af about actual good story telling
Obi-Wan was always my favorite. Having him sit in a cave and meditate, showing us everything the prequels should have. I always felt episode 2 would have worked well as a sort of buddy cop movie.
Yeah the prequels needed a 4th movie but Lucas wanted it to mirror the OT so it was cramped into 3. But ep.3 was rushed and Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship could have used more time.
If you told me as a kid there would be a bunch of real star wars content that I wouldn't give a damn about I would have called you a liar for sure. But that's the dark timeline we're all on now.
T’Challa said it best: “I don’t care.” Star Wars had been dead and buried for years. Do what you will with it, Disney. You won’t get any money from me, regardless.
AZ would like a live action version of the Clone Wars animation. It has good moments of were Anakin was behaving as a Sith would. Accompanied by the bgm of the Vader theme when doing so. Intensity would vary on how hard he was going. Good show and I'd recommend it. Lots of Kenobi and Anakin story.
Isn't Ewan all-in on the side of the ultrawoke, perpetually offended, blue haired, gender studying land whales? Maybe they'll cast Trigglypuff as Kenobi's character to defer to.
Well he is since his convoluted love life exposed him as an a^sehole. Needing to deflect attention he’s conveniently become a very vocal far left acolyte since… Ah so cynical. ;)
Oh man... I just realized that this is going to be the stunning and brave explaination as to why Kenobi had to atone in isolation and shame in Tatooine.
I like AZ idea especially if it was coupled with some of the rumors of what it originally was supposed to be. A mini series of Obi-wan coming to terms with what he had to do on Mustafar. We could start the series with Obi-Wan learning of Anakin surviving Mustafar, and becoming Darth Vader as we know him in the original canon. The two never actually meet in person. But a version of Darth Vader without the helmet/the personification of Obi-wans guilt does hunt him and he fights against it. Eventually overcoming his guilt by defeating "Anakin" in a duel. Maybe end the show with seeing Ewan McGregor slowly age into Alec Guinness and then replaying the scene where Obi-wan saves luke from the sand people.
This is so unnecessary and sounds like terrible fan-fiction. Which is also what this show will be. How about new characters, new ideas, new planets, new aliens, new space ships, new stories? Both Disney and the majority of fans have made Star Wars feel like an extremely small universe. Enough with the prequel and original trilogy characters. Let's go backwards or forwards in time, create new legends. Enough recycling.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Oh i agree i would love nothing more than to go back to the beginning, before the old republic see the formation of the jedi. See the original civil war between the light and dark side user. See the invention of the lightsaber. etc etc etc. Or go into the far future where the events of the prequel,ot and sequel trilogy exists as nothing more than pages in a history book. That would allow much more freedom as you aren´t really tied to what happened in those 9 movies. As nothing that happens in those movies will have any effect on what happens in these movies. Sure maybe lukes great great (a hundred times) grandfather might have been a sith. Okay who cares this all happened over 3000 years ago. By the time of the prequel trilogy none of it mattered. Or go into the future same story maybe Ray found someone and got a child maybe she died childless and alone. Doesn´t matter that all happened hundreds of years ago. Nobody alive at that point remembers it. That all being said if they do insist on making an Obi-Wan show. I would much rather have it be a 4 episode mini series about Obi-wan trying to come to terms with what he was forced to do. Also i would NOT have him face off against the real Darth Vader. Have the two meeting at the Death Star for the first time since Obi-Wan left anakin to burn, is fine in my opinion.
This is Obi-Wan Kenobi we're talking about. One of the Jedi who was constantly in combat as a general in the Republic. Faked his death and became a bounty hunter to get in on some nefarious plot before it was executed. This is the man who defeated Darth Maul multiple times, killed General Grievous, and made Darth Vader a quadriplegic. There's no way these inquisitors have any chance against him, but yet the writers are going to make him a weak and bumbling old man just to try and make it look like there are actual stakes to the story.
Given that Ahsoka effortlessly crushed two inquisitors, how are they going to make them a decent adversary for Obi-Wan, a far more fearsome prospect? There should be virtually no one who is a match for Obi-Wan one on one.
Obi-Wan can't draw his light saber or use the force because that will reveal that he is a Jedi and Darth Vader would kill him and Luke. He has to maintain his secrecy with Inquisitors on his tail.
They’re also making why Kenobi left Anakin cowardice and not the care for his friend and former student. He left Anakin where he was because he doesn’t have the heart to kill his friend and doesn’t just storm Vader with some assault plan because he does hope his friend comes back to the “light”. Obi Wan literally LETS VADER KILL HIM because he firmly believes that Luke is the best possible way to show Vader his errors and bring him back to the light.
I mean letting your friend die a slow painful death and not making sure he didn't survive was a cowardice move, he couldn't bring himself to finish what he started and what he'd rather let him burn to death for possibly hours as hes fueled by rage and excruciating pain which powers his darkside powers which everyone knows can allow the wielder to survive great injuries
Obi-Wan doesn't even believe it's POSSIBLE to turn away from the dark side. He didn't even try to talk Anakin down on Mustafar, and he strongly discouraged Luke from trying to talk Vader down as well. Mind you, he deliberately withheld the information that Vader was Luke's father. At no point did he have any intention of telling him. The reason he left Anakin there to burn was because he didn't have the heart to finish Anakin himself (understandable), and he believed Anakin was going to die anyway (and he should've; it was only sheer power and will to live that saved Anakin that day). As for Vader killing him, he let it happen because he was going to lose anyway, but figured that he could still guide Luke in spirit form. Guide him into being capable of killing Vader, not saving him.
Yeah typo about him leaving him on mustafar he is doing because he doesn’t have the heart to finish but I do believe he think Luke can change Vader. That’s why he just chooses death. Obi could’ve escaped, maybe could’ve killed Vader there because then Palpatine just reveals Luke to be Vaders son then Luke joins the dark side and hates Obi Wan for having him kill his father. He could’ve also withheld the info about Vader because it might influence Luke to just become a tyrant alongside his father. Palpatine still exists even if Vader dies so the best option, if Luke isn’t strong enough by himself to take Palpatine, is to use Vaders care for Padme and his son to get the upper hand on Palpatine.
@@7632ios The statement from Lucas was before he came up with the ideas of the prequels, at a later time he mention how Anakin is the character with the most potential, that he lose to a degree after the battle with Obi-Wan, George said Vader post Mustafar has 80% the power of Palpatine, that he says he is the strongest character, unless you are suggesting that Obi-Wan could take on Palpatine he can not be more powerful than Vader.
I’ve tuned out Star Wars for a while now. Never thought that would happen. If you came to me as a kid and told me that, I would have never have believed you.
God, that line. Owen saying “Like you trained his dad?” Yes. Kenobi did not succeed with Anakin. Lots of reasons why, most out of Kenobi’s control. But how about you Owen? I think the single most damning moment of Anakin’s life is you and your families failure with his mother. Where’s your catty little comebacks now?
The problem with shows like these is the fact that under no circumstances is there any threat to the main character…we already know how the story finishes
@@auquitaine9201 Well no threat would kill him so right off the bat that kills the engagement. They could humiliate his character to prop up a new character... question is how's gonna wanna watch that? A show named Obi Wan people are gonna want to see a well written Obi Wan... but this is Disney they'll do like The Book of Bubba Fett.
When a new Kenobi movie or series with Ewan McGregor was rumoured years ago I thought it would be great to see Obi-wan back in action. Nowadays I thank my lucky stars I don’t have Disney + so I don’t have to witness the destruction of yet another once great character.
@@chasehedges6775 yeah, not every detail needs to be explored. The untold stories leave so much to the viewers imagination. Oh well, another nail in the Star Wars coffin perhaps?
How can he be sneaking around clandestinely keeping an eye on Luke but having big grand andventures? He'll have to be like, "Everybody look at me, Gen. Kenobi, out here, in the middle of nowhere. And pay no attention to that kid over there!" ...like, EVERY time
not even planning on watching.. ive had enough.. i suffered more than i should have after sitting through WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Solider, Loki, Hawkeye, Book of Boba.. oh and Omega in Bad Batch.. nah, there is an undeniable trend.. and i just can’t watch it happen to my two favorite characters.. i got two episodes into Moon Knight i finally snapped and rage quit. Cancelled my Disney+
What's wrong with Moon Knight? Admittedly I haven't watched every episode, but from what I have seen it's ok. Then again I never read the comics so i don't know how off course it is.
@@meeep9099 Mandalorian seems good only because it's the only one that's not completely garbage. But it's not that good. First season was decent, second one was mostly trash, with some scenes being an exception.
If by the end of the season, Kenobi doesn't give up his light saber to a black lesbian with the side of her head shaved, and if he doesn't proclaim how much better she is than him in every way.....then the show will be a huge disappointment. #DoBetterKenobi
Personally speaking as someone whose a huge fan of George Lucas’s Star Wars franchise and has been since before it was cool. I’m not looking forward to Obi Wan Kenobi. Lol
I've always wondered what was the plan for Leia. Even if the plan was to train the twins, Leia was already at a disadvantage in that she had no Jedi nearby on her planet. Jedi training can't be done over Skype. And it was by pure happenstance (or the will of the Force if you believe in that) that set things in motion for both Skywalkers. Not that it mattered in the end since Leia never wanted to complete her training on account of committing the "classic" mistake of running away from her Jedi training when a vision of Ben's death came to her.
It’s going to focus on the female inquisitor. She’ll best Kenobi and explain to him that he needs to protect Luke to stop Vader. Then die as a martyr to Vader
I fear they are going to do a boba on Darth Vader, as if they are gonna have more scenes with his helmet off than on. Plus they'll probably have him do nothing, whilst the other loud inquisitor does it all. That's kinda my whole issue with the introduction in canon of inquisitors, its that they take away Vader's purpose and role in hunting Jedi. Plus in large retrospects, it kinda makes it known to all that the Empire is overseen by "sith" and not just the Emperor.
Yeah, not only are inquisitors lame (that fucking helicopter bullshit) but that was literally Vader's job. The only other dark Jedi should be Palpatine's royal guard and Starkiller is you want to keep him canon. That's about it.
@@Сайтамен like what chilling in his huge fortress on Mustafar? Hunting rebels? Hunting Imperial officers whod doesnt do their jobs well? The Inquisition would be litteraly MADE for this kinda stuff, they have the numbers to be everywhere, the Inquisition irl was litteraly all about enforcing the law and sorta police case stuff so its meant to be their schtick. Vader is litteraly the ONLY guy thats actually capable of hunting down jedi Masters and other jedi without actual trouble beside plot armour or other tough Jedi nearby to delay him
@@Freedmoon44 Yes, he is military and strategic leader and he can't be in all places at once. Usually Inqusitors work in pairs to take Jedi, and if they find a master, then they call Vader. Plus they find Force-sensitive children.
It's funny how Palpatine did not need a single Sith to destroy the Jedi Order and form the Empire. He did it all with clone troops. Now there's barely any Jedi left and he has Vader. Inquisitors are useless and stupid.
He'll be a background character in his own show. I don't see any reason why this will be any different than the fifty other ones.
Well, that’s uncomforting
Of course he will. He's a straight white male.
That will be really disappointing to me. Obi Wan is my favorite jedi so the show will definitely hurt to watch
@@Echo2-2 Definitely gives me Boook Of Boba Fett Vibes
No i don't thi k
I thi k you are a bit too pessimistic
Kenobi will be The Reva show. She’ll be some misunderstood force user that was brainwashed by evil white man and she’ll end up sacrificing herself or saving Kenobi/Luke. She’ll be a good guy by the end.
well idk if i should say this but if you saw some of the leaks ....
So basically exactly what they just said…
@@GIBBO4182 yah pretty much. I’ve been sharing that perspective from the moment the first teaser dropped. It sounds alike many people are seeing the same thing.
I was hoping kenobi would befriend a Jedi and that Jedi sacrifices himself for him, the inquisitor might work, hopefully they do it well
It's he-man all over again 😢
"Kenobi isn't going to be good."
"Nooo, that's not true! That's impossible!"
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true."
I hope it's good but I'm very pessimistic now :/
(searches feelings) Well, sonuvabitch, you're right. Guess I'll join the Dark side, then. Got any cookies?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! "falls into abyss of destroyed franchises"
Let's be honest with ourselves. He have been deeply imprinted as children with the Star Wars 'brand', so we have this unconscious pull towards anything involving it. Disney depends on this imprinting to sell products. One must override the attachment to a media title and objectively look at this. It is rationality that tells you this will not be good, listen to it. Or your beloved brand will remain in the hands of those who would destroy it.
Nice.
Jesus i think Drinker is right, he's just told us how the show ends, she'll spare Kenobi and demand he protect the chosen one!
Manipulated by the evil white emperor no doubt, who enslaved her race. Kenobi must now fight for equality and 'do better'. I can just see it coming.
"Search your feelings."
"You know it to be true."
@@fictiontheorizer1991 NOOOOOOO.. NOOOO!!
excuse me while I jump from a great height
“Naw, it’ll be fine”
@@scottf5791 I was gonna say "fark off scott" as in, "fuck off film" but then I realised that's wouldn't come off as intended
I guarantee the black female antagonist will end up either turning good in the end or her actions will have some strange morally questionable justification. She won’t just be an out and out evil person
Looking forward to finding out 2 or so weeks after the episode where it happens, having not watched the actual show.
They did the same thing in Jedi Fallen Order with Trilla, a diverse female Inquisitor who turned good in the end, but at least she was formerly the Apprentice of one of the main characters, and she was beat by the straight white mail mc first, and she also immediately got murdered by Vader after.
@@yannicreicher6811 they also did that on Battlefront 2 🤣
Though that in itself is not a problem. Darth Vader turned out not to be an out and out evil person either. But if they make her actually morally BETTER than Obi Wan in the end (as suggested in this video, maybe she somehow saves Luke even before Obi Wan does) that would be something else entirely.
"her actions will have some strange morally questionable justification"
Yup - "The white supremacist heteronormative patriarchy *made* me do it".
Ironically, I have almost no hope for the Kenobi series. Because Lucasfilm isn't hiring storytellers, they're hiring preachers.
I don’t think it was just fan bullying that turned Jake Lloyd into a schizophrenic.
Worse. They're hiring people for the purpose of Monologing.
I felt like Boba Fett was compelling evidence that they're just using a software bot to write these now.
@@LN997-i8x nah it’s worse. Favreau and Filoni have fallen off.
Lucasfilm doesn't even exist in its prior form anymore. It's all Disney now...
She’ll turn good at the end and realize her ways and then sacrifice herself to save little Luke at the last second when Obi-Wan fails to do so, thereby making her among the most important characters in all of Star Wars, because without her stunning bravery and powerful femininity, Luke would never grow up and the original trilogy would never happen.
Yes, but the original trilogy and the accomplishments of its characters have already been made utterly useless by the sequel trilogy. They left no stone unturned. There simply was no point to any of the first six movies. There was another secret Empire with 100x the power of Sidious's empire that just flew in after the battle of Endor and imposed the exact same role in the galaxy. Han and Leia broke up and they raised space Hitler, Luke TRAINED space Hitler, a man who would be behind the destruction of like 8 planets. So the heroes never actually saved ANYTHING, and they made the galaxy a far worse place. They raised and trained a kid and failed so spectacularly that he blew up 8 planets, murdering billions or trillions of life forms. The emperor didn't really die at the end of Return of the Jedi. Literally every big moment from the first 6 movies was systematically revised to take away all credit for all these characters anyway. You're absolutely right though.
Bingo
🤮
You are the chosen one. So stunning, so brave.
Don't forget their remake of the original trilogy where it turns out that Luke is completely useless and Leia does literally everything, from saving herself to defeating Darth Vader.
> Origin/ hard recontextualization of why hes looking after Luke on Tatooine at all [it will probably be changed to be about eliminating Luke if he went dark side instead of protecting him from being exploited by the Empire]
> Origin for the line 'in my experience theres no such thing as luck"
> Origin for the cloak he wears in OT [its not just his jedi robes..anymore]
> Origin for how he got the credits to give to Han Solo in 4
> Han Solo appearance. Count on that
> Did you know the Jedi were British colonial white supremacists Trump voters??
My opinion of the Jedi has gone up!
@@ANobodyatall 😂
@@ANobodyatall I mean the sith are the last remains of a culture of colored people genocided by the Jedi and old republic.
Or is that a bad thing because none of the modren sith are actual members of the sith species making it cultural appropriation?
You know what forgetnlets just respect the culture of the new immigrants and let the Yuzan Ving kill everyone
My Jedi cosplay includes a white hood.
That last one seems accurate considering Disney ignores or forgets about the Prequels Jedi temple consisting of more alien Jedi. But hey, according to them, aliens don't count as people. That's how bonkers racist they are.
Nailed it, sir. Nailed it.
The strong female POC will be the antagonist for episodes 1 - 3.5 and then at the end of episode 3/start of episode 4 she'll suddenly have a change of heart, see the error of her ways, denounce the patriarchy, and fight against the Empire.
We'll then see Kenobi sidelined during episode 5 so the strong female POC can establish her character.
Then in season 6 Kenobi wistfully announces, "I have seen too much death and horror in one lifetime. I must return to my exile. You must continue this fight."
Roll credits with teaser for "Star Wars: Strong Female POC show coming Winter 2022!"
@@SeasoningTheObese Ahhh the perfect title!!
I mean that seems to be their only goal at this point.
"Hey those last 22 woke movies and shows failed...has anyone got any ideas?"
"How about a new woke TV show that insults the fans?"
"I think we have a hit on our hands ladies and gentlemen!!"
This is so accurate. It scares me lol
@@mghammer5530 I was lol'ing when I started writing it but 30 seconds later I was like "Oh God...yeah they'll totally do this." 😂
This is going to be a suckfest of enormous proportions.
Who hurt you?
@@jameshunt4611 😂 😂 😂 Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson
What's funny, is how Jedi Fallen Order did something similar with Cal being pursued by the Second Sister. But she was actually evil the whole time and was killed by Vader.
Seems like she was almost on the verge of forgiveness at the end, but it was cut short by a crimson blade lmao
It's literally the same story with reva. The leaks which I guarantee are 100% real show only 1 moment of compassion where reva refuses to kill a child. She doesn't turn goof though she goes back to vader and vader kills her because she's weak and a liar
@@fatnakedjimmyneutron that wouldn't fit with the politics of the time though
She actually had a redemption and that’s why Vader killed her lol
If you thought Trilla was actually evil, you either were not paying attention, or are very dumb. Why did Vader kill her... think about it
The inquisitors were all right as villains in the rebels cgi show or in fallen order (Video game) because the protagonists were only padawans who still had to learn a lot. Master kenobi was one of the most powerful jedi of the republic.
He'd defeat those clowns without breaking a sweat. So they either have to ruin him and make him pathetic in his own show or break the established lore of the inqusitors and make them as powerful as actual sith lords.
The result will be stupid either way
I agree completely
I suppose you could try to overwhelm him by throwing tons of inquisitors at him at once.
I can see it maybe working if kenobi tries to just evade them as much as possible to keep himself hidden, but it breaks down when you realize that if they did encounter eachother he would just immediately delete them and there'd be no tension
I disagree. The inquisitors were super irritating and the most woke part of Fallen Order. So happy with how it ends for them though.
Yeah the guy held his own against Dooku, the guy who was trained by Yoda, bested Windu and Qui Gon Jin, was also trained by Sidious when he turned, and is the only one who could match Yoda. Not to mention knew all 7 forms of the lightsaber fighting styles. He also beat Maul and fought both Assaj and Grievous, killing the latter. The guy has more experience and training and a a male is far stronger than her. But hey, the MaRey Suewalker curse will always afflict Disney's storytelling. And they never get the characters of previous trilogies right. Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, Boba. All character assassinated. All to push up their far inferior characters, especially their MaRey Suewalker insert. Or at least try to.
4:20 “At least they haven’t fucked up Darth Vader.”
They already did with TROS, by taking away Vader/Anakin’s redemption of killing the Emperor and giving the “real” kill to Rey instead.
To be fair, in the EU Palpatine came back from dying as well.
@@wolfwarlordjake8992 true. But at least in that instance Luke was the one who managed to finally put Creamy Sheev down for good and left his spirit to be ripped to shreds by the Dark Side
@@wolfwarlordjake8992 Right but back then nobody liked that storyline and it was one of the stories people brought up as an example for why the EU should be deleted. Then they tried to convince themselves it was good actually when Disney fucking did it.
Darth Vader's aim wasn't to kill The Emperor, it was to save Luke. Which he succeeded in doing.
Vader’s aim was turning Luke to the dark side as his master instructed, but he failed and when the time came to kill his son he ended up choosing the light side. Which redeemed his character for siding with Palpatine decades ago while also bringing balance to the force. Then comes TROS, which cannot explain how Palpatine survived two explosions, and gives the real defeat of the dark lord and balance of the force to Rey. Star Wars Episodes 1-6 are centered around Anakin and his journey to tragedy and redemption. Then comes Rey who ends up re-doing Vader’s act of stopping Palpatine in ROTJ, only making sure this time it’s “for real”, which does fuck over Vader’s journey.
If someone told me 10 years ago that there would be an Obi-wan Kenobi TV show, I would be very excited. However, after a decade of being burned by every reboot, sequel and spinoff, I would just be torturing myself to have any hope that this show will be worth watching.
Bobba fett was such a let down. Mando season 2 was so promising but yeah, no hype for star wars or MCU at this point
In fact they DID say there will be Kenobi, Boba Fett and some other movies. Just about 10 years ago.
@@PetrPss It was exciting when Disney bought Lucasfilm because we knew there would be new movies and games. What we got was disappointing, at least to me.
@@lance134679 Yeah, I'm not arguing. It's just funny you mentioned 10 years.
@@PetrPss It was an innocent time...
Be prepared to subvert our expectations about Kenobi through deconstruction of his character as a more cynical, egotistical and silly the same time version of Kenobi by Alec Guinness.
Does that really count as subverting expectations anymore?
@@captainbrainius6273 Ya got a point there bud
@@captainbrainius6273 This reminds me of the modern art that has as purpose to shock us by subverting the classical norms. But, this shit is so common now that an actual subversion is to see something truly beautiful and talented.
I actually wouldn´t mind a more cynical version of Kenobi. I mean, it would honestly make sense. He had failed to stop the destruction of his order, left his best friend to burn alive, and spent years on a backwater planet full of shady characters. It would be quite interesting to see him face moral dilemmas, being forced to choose between helping the innocent and protecting not only Luke, but also himself, so that he can protect Luke.
@@thanosandnobill3789 Haha I must say it is positively bewildering to hear people starting to say this! I've been saying exactly this since I was a teenager in the mid-90s! The NINETIES!!!! Even then as a stupid high school kid I was noticing how "untraditional" and "irreverent" were being used as both descriptors of merit and marketing highlights. I actually had to look up what "reverent" itself meant because I was only familiar with it's opposite. I wrote an essay in an English class about the untraditional having become tradition and the irreverent having become reverent expressing frustration at the idea that this was still considered something new and shocking when it had become totally regular. We are in desperate need of a return to earnestness. The New Sincerity movement needs to come back!
How exactly is this sith inquisitor supposed to be a threat to Obi wan Kenobi? The guy who defeated general grievous and anakin skywalker (chosen one). Having a sith inquisitor as the antagonist runs into the major problem of having the protagonist being (much) more powerful than the antagonist from the very start. Darth Vader/Emperor are THE only antagonists that can exist in this story. This is like the equivalent of having a story about jango fett where the main antagonist is jar jar binks, it's just ridiculous.
I'd watch it if the antagonist were Jar Jar! Hope that's not a plot leak!
Exactly. Fallen Order and Rebels establishes that Inquisitors are a match for Padawans and young Knights. Fuck, Cal Kestis defeated two Inquisitors after half a decade hiding. Obi Wan fucking Kenobi could beat the Grand Inquisitor in his sleep.
If this was legends MF Kenobi he could bitchslap Vader too. However they will probably lessen his connection to the force post ROTS like in legends.
Darth Jar Jar
You don't get it, Kenobi is a white man, which means he is bad. On top of that, he is sad because because he is so bad and can't stop being bad. Any strong whamen of color can easily defeat a white man.
I'm so excited to watch Kenobi and see the main character develop and progress through the story! She is so Black and Strong and we have never seen that before in Star Wars! At Last!!!
You forgot that Kenobi is the first black womxn on screen.
♠🤔👍 🙃
black people deserve the center stage in star wars too
I just want Kenobi to turn and be like
“Who sent you?”
LORD VADER
“You seen how he looks? Yea. I did that. Goodbye”
I’m calling it now: Ms. Marvel is going to be Batwoman 2.0
Nah, man. In spirit, yes... but Diz-nee will never cancel a show the way that the CW did... no matter how bad it gets.
Doubling down is dis-nee's default reaction to any criticism.
Same with Paramount/CBS/Viacom and Star Trek. Just the most embarrassing, cringeworthy doubling down there is. "What?"
"3 percent viewer score? Ratings in the shitter?"
"Better make three more shows!"
@@thisisnotachannel when you have unlimited funds from blueish banks
At least Ms. Marvel is straight and has her eyes on a guy, not a girl, though she is a Muslim, so I guess Marvel wanted to avoid the death warrants but not making her one 😂
It would be cool if they showed more of Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship as apprentice and master, and of course as friends, over the course of the clone wars and before that. That said, knowing who is in the writer's seat, that will likley not be happening, and will just be more of the sludge that's been dripping out of the Disney meat grinder.
Man, I remember when Disney was all about Animation and wonder. While having it's fair share of issues since it's start and onwards, there was a time and not even that long ago where Disney held alot of respect and deserved it for the work put in. Now it's just a deformed blob assimilating whatever it can into it's mass. Alot of folk often make Mickey look all evil and the like, but I think it's unfair to a character that is as much victim to the ones in control who just do not care about his, or his creator's legacy.
We are living in interesting times.
We are living in interesting times.
We seriously are
They have 666 in their logo. What do you expect?
I agree. Mickey doesn't deserve that. Go back and watch Fantasia and despair.
We only had 3 movies of that
I don't think Disney want anything to do with the prequels so it will barely mentioned any of it.
You just know Kenobi will be taught a thing or two with a lightsaber by strong diverse female character.
Drinker called it, this is going to be the everyone-but-Kenobi show. And the "redeemed inquisitor/Imperial" story has already been done repeatedlty, every new SW product has it.
With how they’re setting it up she kinda HAS to be either REDEEMED, or killed in a way that doesn’t give away that Obi-Wan is on Tatooine
Honestly thus far it seems entirely about Kenobi. I hope to Jesus it stays that way because aside from Reva being extra as fuck, the stories pretty decent and heavily focuses on Kenobi’s remembering his lost family
They already did the "dark skinned strong female inquisitor breaks the evil conditioning and becomes good" story line in Jedi Fallen Order with Trilla.
Then we had the foreboding asthmatic mist approaching
Trilla wasn´t black enough
Not quite, she didn't really get to redeem herself before being bisected by vader lmao
@@meeep9099 didn’t say she was able to get redemption, just that she broke the conditioning and changed sides, just happened to be right in front of Vader and he doesn’t mess around, lol.
Trilla did not turn good. At the end when Cal beat her sh said to Vader 'avenge me' or something like that before he killed her. I can understand why many might think she was saying it to Cal but I disagree.
I have not paid much attention to any of the lore about the era between episodes 3-4, but I just don't buy the idea of the inquisitors being a threat to Kenobi. They come across as diet sith and everytime I seen clips of them flying away with their spinning lightsabers...I just can't help but laugh.
Vader kills them all off in like a minute while they're having lunch, seemingly before ep 4
Honestly, I never liked the idea of the Inquisitors. I don't see how a fallen Anakin backed by a clone army can take down the Jedi, but Vader (even with his injuries and suit-borne limitations) backed by an army of stormtroopers needs to harvest a bunch of pseudo-Sith to pick off the handful of survivors. It's one area where I definitively criticize Lucas' meddling in his own story.
Lucas meddling in his own story.
J.J Abrams and Rian Johnson: 👍👍👍👍. That’s what we do.
Jon Favereu and Dave after Book Of Boba Fett: Hold our bantha
Diet sith 🤣
@@thesean161 💯💯💯💯
Kenobi in name only
KINO
It will be very stunning. In terms of how bad it is. But not so brave.
In many ways I'm guessing there will only be villains and no heroes. Since Disney doesn't understand how to write heroic or brave characters anymore.
Maybe Luke and baby Yoda will make cameos or something. Since that's the only trick Disney stumbled upon and immediately ruined.
Stunning and Brave. Kenobi and Uncle Lowen had a secret love, kenobi eventually rejected him, thus explaining Uncle Lowen's hostility towards Obiwan in New Hope.
We already saw Luke in the trailer and seems like baby Yoda is in everything...
@@johnthomas2485 🤣🤣🤣
She's definitely going to be the focus and hero of this story. Near the end she'll revert back to her jedi ways and "sacrifice" herself to Vader to save kenobi. Then in the mandoverse, which I've had about enough with after the reunion with Grogu and cameo bait that was Fett, she'll return because money.
Don't forget it'll be after she pulls a rose by crashing into his ship and keeping him from making some heroic sacrifice and kissing him
They pulled this shit in doctor strange 2, no doubt they’ll do it here too. Kenobi will guaranteed be a side character to diverse female lead.
Edit: Called it!
How did they do it in dr strange 2? I dont care to watch the film
@@davidworrall4899 it’s a continuation of wandavision. Strange is a side character in his own film, who’s no match for her. Even though he’s taken on Dormamu. It’s also an introduction for American Chavez, another diverse Marvel hero.
@@leov3569 glad i stopped after endgame tbh. Gone too far in the mud now
@@davidworrall4899 yup, the only thing worth watching is no way home. Avoid far from home and everything else. All trash.
All of these companies have proven over the last few years that none of them deserve the benefit of the doubt.
The other thing that's been made abundantly clear is that yes, you can survive without these various entertainment companies.
For myself and my family we've found we're happier without them and have found things to spend our money and time on that are so much better...
Same here. But people are unwilling to learn this lesson. They're too attached to their suppliers of entertainment.
The new movies and shows are just terrible. I've had more fun playing Lego Star Wars that I have watching the "actual" Star Wars. At least the lego game doesnt try to push the message and destroy legacy characters, and it has more funny humour that the og project
How could it really be interesting though? He's supposed to be laying low, basically doing nothing for years in order to protect Luke from a distance. In fact, even that premise is kind of just a retcon. Nothing in the original trilogy indicated that he was doing anything other than living a hermit life on the outskirts of civilization.
Same. This show feel so unnecessary
This should be the one show that stays on tatooine, imagine if the inquisitors came up with a wild idea that vader's son might be on anakin's birth planet. They go on a secret mission to find him but obi-wan senses them first and he takes them all out one by one to protect luke. No vader, no blaster obi-wan, and no stupid redemtion arc for any of these inquisitors. Obi-wan just kicking ass for 6 episodes while having reflective moments as he waits for the arrival of the inquisitors. Maybe some anakin and obi flashbacks for hayden.
@@zionharris9432 That already runs into a problem though. If Inquisitors are going missing on Tattooine, the Empire will respond by sending more forces to put a stop to it. Obi-wan hiding as a hermit to keep an eye on Luke just in case something happens doesn't work if something actually happens before the plot of A New Hope.
@@zionharris9432 to me, the fact the inquisitors go to tattooine is worrying. I always assumed they never bothered to check tattooine cause otherwise it doesn’t make much sense how obi wan or Luke was never caught.
@@zionharris9432 Strongly disagree... Obi Wan should trick them, make them go away from Tatooine, so the big battles should all take place somewhere else.
I don't care how racist it sounds, but I will always be thinking that Moses Ingram is just there to be a black woman in Star Wars. It's a problem all these "diverse" castings have and that is your suspension of disbelief is forever shattered because you are not seeing character X, you are seeing "oh, there's the gay quota. There's the Asian quota".
Also, whatever happened to 'droids and aliens and, well, imagination? We have Moses, we had Werner, we had Giancarlo, we had maskless Kylo-- where are the Darth Mauls or General Grevious'? Where are the cool NEW designs? No, instead we get a human antagonist versus a human protagonist... *yawn*
Didn't sound racist to me at all
It is a racist show and they should not put it on Disney+. Blm forever
The lack of creativity is strong with Disney
@@michaelclifton9498 same
EVERYTHING is 'racist' these days mate, don't worry about it. And you're right anyway. She only got the role because muh diversity.
If they really wanted to subvert everyone's expectations the show will actually be about Kenobi ...
But everyone can see exactly how this is going to play out, the main character will be pushed out of his own
show so everyone can enjoy the strong female character!
Inquisitor went bad because of childhood trauma. She will mortally wound Kenobi, refuse to kill him and turn on vader to "save" Kenobi in "his" duel. Wager: will there be more Kenobi in Kenobi than Boba Fett in Boba Fett?
Half of episodes will be flashback to show how Vader is totally Kenobi's fault.
Wow that sounds absolutely terrible. Which makes me believe that's gonna be how they do it. With a healthy dose of "the message"
Most definitely, Ewan McGregor is *stunning and brave* in his movies and real life for the past 15 years, I don't think this movie will escape it, not to mention Kathleen Kennedy etc.
I think the best version of this is a spiritual journey for Obi-Wan coming to terms with his failures as a master and friend. He might try to convince the Inquisitors to find peace and join the light side, though he’ll still have to fight them.
He doesn’t even have to leave the planet; just show him helping people and reflecting on his life. Maybe have characters surrounding him try to protect him and Kenobi has to deal with a dilemma of protecting the future hero of Star Ward versus helping his friends who are dying around him.
Stop, just stop, you have more love for the character than the writers ever will. Go make your own story, share it to the world, spread good writing out into it. These shows are products only. They are not creative projects. They’re there for the clicks and money. You are clearly here to honor characters, and that doesn’t fly with the large corporate fluff produced today. Your dreams likely have better storylines than actual produced media you see from the likes of Disney.
Correction: your dreams DO have better storylines than what you find from Disney and the like.
There is so much to tap into with Kenobi as he goes through this period in his life. So much potential to explore as he goes through this broken time of grieving and exile.
I’m just worried it’s going to be the same as Boba where they just completely ignore him for everyone else.
This is a good story with Kenobi that can be told.
If they don’t tap into that, then they’re idiots.
Past performance is a good indication of future development. What, pray tell, from ANY of their past decisions (either regarding the IP or in RL) makes you think they even realize what they're doing is wrong? Even if they did come to that realization, what in God's name makes you think they have the intestinal fortitude to break with tradition and actually tell a good story? 🙄
@@brianmurphy6480 I never said they did have it.
I just said there was a lot to tap into with this story and they're idiots if they mess it up.
As if Disney cares about that
The truth of the matter is this show should’ve been the first movie out when Disney took over. They should’ve adapted the novel by John Jackson Miller Kenobi. The story keeps Obi-Wan on Tatooine trying to figure out his place in a hostile empire and him trying to watch over Luke. With a solid director and a writer to adapt it and a thoughtful development process. It would’ve made fans happy and made money. It would’ve given Disney time to understand the franchise and given them more time to develop Rogue One and the sequel trilogy. Instead Disney, like a Sith, chose the quick and easy path because they thought they new better than GL. This “Kenobi” series will be another lore breaking bait and switch by Disney & KK that will ruin Obi-Wan & Anakin/Vader like they did every OT character. I’m not excite for this series because it will also be used to justify the ST trilogies pathetic existence. These cultural vandals are done pillaging the OT. They’re off to pillage PT.
Entire fields of mathematics could be devoted to counting the seemingly-limitless 'should haves' associated with Star Wars since The Mouse took it over...
Agreed, it even included two interesting central female characters. Seemed like it was written for this, just like Heir to the Empire. The St George allegory is my favorite part, and they even could have made a straight white male suffer at the very end.
"I do not tolerate failure, but you are stunning and brave and the empire is committed to a diverse workplace, so you won't get force choked today."
didn’t obi wan defeat DARTH MAUL in like three seconds in rebels? Why would this inquisitor lady stand a chance against him
because she’s (a) a woman (b) mi nority (c) likes girls (d) stunning (e) brave (f) all of the above
@@BENR8108 darth maul would also be “all of the above” minus the woman part lol
@@case6668 After getting bisected, poor bastard is minus his man part as well...
@@GjVj That’s true, I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney executives turned Darth Maul’s injury into a metaphor for transition surgery 💀💀
@@case6668 Oh, crap - hadn't thought of that. Only a matter of time. :/
The way Kenobi should have been is Obi-Wan, sitting in a hut on Tatooine, visiting pubs at space ports, drinking with the locals, chatting about who is in town, just in case anyone starts getting close to finding out about Luke. 18 riveting seasons of that and we are straight into the original Star Wars story!
Ironically this should be the one story that deconstructs a beloved character, to get from General Kenobi to "Old Ben" The Hermit Kenobi.
Except General Kenobi became the hermit "old Ben" on purpose, to hide himself. He was very much still Obi-Wan in A New Hope.
Unlike Luke, who just decided to become an idiot thanks to the writers.
When the inquisitor was walking toward the camera with her lightsaber out and two lines of troopers behind her, I thought she was about to break out into a music video. 🤣
It's amazing how "subverting expectations" has become the expectation.
I’m really enjoying these excerpts from the livestreams. Keep it up please.
Agreed. I have no interest in sitting through a 4 hour live stream, with half the people on it either I don't know or find annoying. But these smaller videos are much more digestible as entertaining.
It's pretty stunning how watching this after the leaked ending, how almost 100% accurate the gang's predictions may have been.
Right?! I was thinking the same thing. That's how fucking predictable Disney is though. They just push out cookie cutter trash and make sure the "right" people shine the brightest. It's boring and sad, they don't give af about actual good story telling
Obi-Wan was always my favorite. Having him sit in a cave and meditate, showing us everything the prequels should have. I always felt episode 2 would have worked well as a sort of buddy cop movie.
Or a detective movie
Yeah the prequels needed a 4th movie but Lucas wanted it to mirror the OT so it was cramped into 3. But ep.3 was rushed and Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship could have used more time.
@@MALICEM12 That's why the Clone Wars show exists. Also he kinda had no choice with established numbers.
If you told me as a kid there would be a bunch of real star wars content that I wouldn't give a damn about I would have called you a liar for sure. But that's the dark timeline we're all on now.
Darkest Timeline
Yh i used to be such a fan but since tlj came i really dont give a fck anymore
"You can't escape him."
"Ask him where his real legs are."
T’Challa said it best: “I don’t care.”
Star Wars had been dead and buried for years. Do what you will with it, Disney. You won’t get any money from me, regardless.
Wish more people thought like this.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Thank you. So do I.
Also I agree with Jay, I love Cal and hope to see him in more. Cameron Mohonaghan is an awesome actor.
The show should be called “Strong Black Female Inquisitor”
AZ would like a live action version of the Clone Wars animation. It has good moments of were Anakin was behaving as a Sith would. Accompanied by the bgm of the Vader theme when doing so. Intensity would vary on how hard he was going. Good show and I'd recommend it. Lots of Kenobi and Anakin story.
It's terrible. Kids show, but not a good one.
Isn't Ewan all-in on the side of the ultrawoke, perpetually offended, blue haired, gender studying land whales? Maybe they'll cast Trigglypuff as Kenobi's character to defer to.
Well he is since his convoluted love life exposed him as an a^sehole. Needing to deflect attention he’s conveniently become a very vocal far left acolyte since…
Ah so cynical. ;)
Predicting a #stunningandbrave pink-haired Hutt SJW!
@@ANobodyatall So stunning. Much brave. Wow.
Didnt he cheated on his wife a while back
@@qwertyasdfg6145 Yes, with Mary Elizabeth Winstead
I have no doubts it's going to be "Kenobi- character assassination the movie".
So….pretty much Book Of Boba Fett 2.0
Wow you guys were so close to how Kenobi series 1 ended. Absolutely called it!
Qui-Gon will materialize himself in front of Obi-Wan and reveal, that the Force is fluid and he's now an intersex zhim/zhir...
Oh man... I just realized that this is going to be the stunning and brave explaination as to why Kenobi had to atone in isolation and shame in Tatooine.
It'll be the mostest bestest stuningest and bravest evaaarrr!!!!
Oh and kenobi will show up every once in a while.
Kenobi can kick rocks! It starts with " A new hope" and ends with "Return of the Jedi". You can argue 1,2, and 3, but that is it.
abso-fucking-lutely!! 100%
I switched off after 25.44. The Johnny Depp Trial was far more exciting and had a really scary villain too.
You know what I found intimidating about Vader, when he yelled…yelling is terrifying and makes anyone who does it instantly threatening!
I like AZ idea especially if it was coupled with some of the rumors of what it originally was supposed to be.
A mini series of Obi-wan coming to terms with what he had to do on Mustafar.
We could start the series with Obi-Wan learning of Anakin surviving Mustafar, and becoming Darth Vader as we know him in the original canon.
The two never actually meet in person.
But a version of Darth Vader without the helmet/the personification of Obi-wans guilt does hunt him and he fights against it.
Eventually overcoming his guilt by defeating "Anakin" in a duel.
Maybe end the show with seeing Ewan McGregor slowly age into Alec Guinness and then replaying the scene where Obi-wan saves luke from the sand people.
This is so unnecessary and sounds like terrible fan-fiction. Which is also what this show will be.
How about new characters, new ideas, new planets, new aliens, new space ships, new stories? Both Disney and the majority of fans have made Star Wars feel like an extremely small universe. Enough with the prequel and original trilogy characters. Let's go backwards or forwards in time, create new legends. Enough recycling.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Oh i agree i would love nothing more than to go back to the beginning, before the old republic see the formation of the jedi.
See the original civil war between the light and dark side user.
See the invention of the lightsaber.
etc etc etc.
Or go into the far future where the events of the prequel,ot and sequel trilogy exists as nothing more than pages in a history book.
That would allow much more freedom as you aren´t really tied to what happened in those 9 movies.
As nothing that happens in those movies will have any effect on what happens in these movies.
Sure maybe lukes great great (a hundred times) grandfather might have been a sith.
Okay who cares this all happened over 3000 years ago.
By the time of the prequel trilogy none of it mattered.
Or go into the future same story maybe Ray found someone and got a child maybe she died childless and alone.
Doesn´t matter that all happened hundreds of years ago.
Nobody alive at that point remembers it.
That all being said if they do insist on making an Obi-Wan show.
I would much rather have it be a 4 episode mini series about Obi-wan trying to come to terms with what he was forced to do.
Also i would NOT have him face off against the real Darth Vader.
Have the two meeting at the Death Star for the first time since Obi-Wan left anakin to burn, is fine in my opinion.
Kenobi to the "inquisitor":
"Where did you learn to hunt Jedi? ON A FARM?!"
She'll convince kenobi to train Luke because Kenobi has given up.
Sounds about right
This is Obi-Wan Kenobi we're talking about.
One of the Jedi who was constantly in combat as a general in the Republic.
Faked his death and became a bounty hunter to get in on some nefarious plot before it was executed.
This is the man who defeated Darth Maul multiple times, killed General Grievous, and made Darth Vader a quadriplegic. There's no way these inquisitors have any chance against him, but yet the writers are going to make him a weak and bumbling old man just to try and make it look like there are actual stakes to the story.
Darth Vader will be a Doctor Claw type character. Doctor Claw from Inspector Gadget, if anyone remembers that cartoon.
Next time Kenobi, Next time!!
@@BENR8108 who plays Mad Cat?
My expectations are so low that they will be hard to subvert.
Given that Ahsoka effortlessly crushed two inquisitors, how are they going to make them a decent adversary for Obi-Wan, a far more fearsome prospect? There should be virtually no one who is a match for Obi-Wan one on one.
Obi-Wan can't draw his light saber or use the force because that will reveal that he is a Jedi and Darth Vader would kill him and Luke. He has to maintain his secrecy with Inquisitors on his tail.
@@jasonito23 But if they don't know he is a Jedi, why are they even after him?
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Well, that's why we need to watch the show. 😂
Reva also turns out to be Solo and Leias wedding planner on the galaxy cruiser.
Excellent idea sir
They’re also making why Kenobi left Anakin cowardice and not the care for his friend and former student. He left Anakin where he was because he doesn’t have the heart to kill his friend and doesn’t just storm Vader with some assault plan because he does hope his friend comes back to the “light”. Obi Wan literally LETS VADER KILL HIM because he firmly believes that Luke is the best possible way to show Vader his errors and bring him back to the light.
I mean letting your friend die a slow painful death and not making sure he didn't survive was a cowardice move, he couldn't bring himself to finish what he started and what he'd rather let him burn to death for possibly hours as hes fueled by rage and excruciating pain which powers his darkside powers which everyone knows can allow the wielder to survive great injuries
Obi-Wan doesn't even believe it's POSSIBLE to turn away from the dark side. He didn't even try to talk Anakin down on Mustafar, and he strongly discouraged Luke from trying to talk Vader down as well. Mind you, he deliberately withheld the information that Vader was Luke's father. At no point did he have any intention of telling him.
The reason he left Anakin there to burn was because he didn't have the heart to finish Anakin himself (understandable), and he believed Anakin was going to die anyway (and he should've; it was only sheer power and will to live that saved Anakin that day). As for Vader killing him, he let it happen because he was going to lose anyway, but figured that he could still guide Luke in spirit form. Guide him into being capable of killing Vader, not saving him.
Yeah typo about him leaving him on mustafar he is doing because he doesn’t have the heart to finish but I do believe he think Luke can change Vader. That’s why he just chooses death. Obi could’ve escaped, maybe could’ve killed Vader there because then Palpatine just reveals Luke to be Vaders son then Luke joins the dark side and hates Obi Wan for having him kill his father. He could’ve also withheld the info about Vader because it might influence Luke to just become a tyrant alongside his father. Palpatine still exists even if Vader dies so the best option, if Luke isn’t strong enough by himself to take Palpatine, is to use Vaders care for Padme and his son to get the upper hand on Palpatine.
@@xSilentZeroXx Ben Kenobi is> Vader per Lucas and legends. Most sources portray them as evenly matched except “time of death”.
@@7632ios The statement from Lucas was before he came up with the ideas of the prequels, at a later time he mention how Anakin is the character with the most potential, that he lose to a degree after the battle with Obi-Wan, George said Vader post Mustafar has 80% the power of Palpatine, that he says he is the strongest character, unless you are suggesting that Obi-Wan could take on Palpatine he can not be more powerful than Vader.
Inquisitrix - “I’m not feelin the whole inquisitor thang. I’m gonna go into real estate.’
I was very hyped for this show. Then I saw a villain who looks like my hr rep at work. Zero fear.
We're about to find out she's not a villain, just misunderstood. The white men are the true villains.
I’ve tuned out Star Wars for a while now. Never thought that would happen. If you came to me as a kid and told me that, I would have never have believed you.
"At least they haven't ruined Darth Vader!" - Drinker
"Challenge Accepted!" - Disney
It's crazy how close drinker was to what actually hapoened.
God, that line. Owen saying “Like you trained his dad?” Yes. Kenobi did not succeed with Anakin. Lots of reasons why, most out of Kenobi’s control. But how about you Owen? I think the single most damning moment of Anakin’s life is you and your families failure with his mother. Where’s your catty little comebacks now?
How could Obiwan forsee Ruin Johnson making Luke kill younglings too with Solo?
THIS 💯💯
FR I am sick of watching our heroes get talked down to bro saved the galaxy by hindering the chosen one to a suit
@@makutas-v261 of the people who would say that to Obiwan, that's like the least out of character thing Owen could do.
@@ShadowtheRenamon Almost as out of character as Boba Fettt becoming…. Whatever the heck BOBF was
"I'm General fucking Kenobi, bitch." Gold.
I can't wait to see the two episode gap where Kenobi is absent from the story, to see what the female inquisitor is up too.
"Diverse Wahman's Inquisitors of Color" LOL
The problem with shows like these is the fact that under no circumstances is there any threat to the main character…we already know how the story finishes
@@auquitaine9201 Well no threat would kill him so right off the bat that kills the engagement. They could humiliate his character to prop up a new character... question is how's gonna wanna watch that? A show named Obi Wan people are gonna want to see a well written Obi Wan... but this is Disney they'll do like The Book of Bubba Fett.
@@auquitaine9201 And this right here is why I won't watch this show.
1 month later check - drinker was literally 100% accurate what a prophet
When a new Kenobi movie or series with Ewan McGregor was rumoured years ago I thought it would be great to see Obi-wan back in action. Nowadays I thank my lucky stars I don’t have Disney + so I don’t have to witness the destruction of yet another once great character.
Honestly same
It’s funny how long we wondered: What was Obi WAN doing before ANH.
Now we don’t want to
@@chasehedges6775 it’s a shame isn’t it?
@@chasehedges6775 yeah, not every detail needs to be explored. The untold stories leave so much to the viewers imagination. Oh well, another nail in the Star Wars coffin perhaps?
The idea that any inquisitor(s) could be a threat to freakin' Obi-Wan Kenobi is a joke right on the face of it.
Just finished the finale and literally everything Jay said was going to happen happened with Reva and Luke 😂 Fuck this show
How can he be sneaking around clandestinely keeping an eye on Luke but having big grand andventures? He'll have to be like, "Everybody look at me, Gen. Kenobi, out here, in the middle of nowhere. And pay no attention to that kid over there!"
...like, EVERY time
Critical Drinker is a prophet.
AZ's shenanigans always kill me. What a legend.
The majority of people are fucking stoked for this series too. Check out the comment section of any of the trailers. Smh normies will never learn
A lot of bots and “verified” channels. Not real.
A few years ago I would have said, guys, don’t be so negative. Now: yep, that’s how it’ll turn out
not even planning on watching.. ive had enough.. i suffered more than i should have after sitting through WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Solider, Loki, Hawkeye, Book of Boba.. oh and Omega in Bad Batch.. nah, there is an undeniable trend.. and i just can’t watch it happen to my two favorite characters.. i got two episodes into Moon Knight i finally snapped and rage quit. Cancelled my Disney+
You did the right thing
@@derekgorman7939 funny enough, mandalorian is the only good one of the bunch
What's wrong with Moon Knight? Admittedly I haven't watched every episode, but from what I have seen it's ok. Then again I never read the comics so i don't know how off course it is.
@@joshuabonesteel2303 it has the typical strong and independent female co-lead which feels kinda forced at this point to be honest
@@meeep9099 Mandalorian seems good only because it's the only one that's not completely garbage. But it's not that good. First season was decent, second one was mostly trash, with some scenes being an exception.
I have no confidence in Disney’s ability to not make trash at this point.
If by the end of the season, Kenobi doesn't give up his light saber to a black lesbian with the side of her head shaved, and if he doesn't proclaim how much better she is than him in every way.....then the show will be a huge disappointment. #DoBetterKenobi
Lol
I'm bookmarking this to see how spot on one of you were.
I don’t have hopes for this show
Also does anyone else think the grand inquisitor looks like Quan Chi from Mortal Kombat in the this?
It hurts even worse considering that Obi-Wan is my favorite character in this franchise. He's so dn great and I know they're gonna do him dirty.
Personally speaking as someone whose a huge fan of George Lucas’s Star Wars franchise and has been since before it was cool. I’m not looking forward to Obi Wan Kenobi. Lol
I've always wondered what was the plan for Leia. Even if the plan was to train the twins, Leia was already at a disadvantage in that she had no Jedi nearby on her planet. Jedi training can't be done over Skype. And it was by pure happenstance (or the will of the Force if you believe in that) that set things in motion for both Skywalkers.
Not that it mattered in the end since Leia never wanted to complete her training on account of committing the "classic" mistake of running away from her Jedi training when a vision of Ben's death came to her.
Maybe it was just Obi-Wan holding onto hope
It’s going to focus on the female inquisitor. She’ll best Kenobi and explain to him that he needs to protect Luke to stop Vader. Then die as a martyr to Vader
you got about 80% right so far !
They have fucked up Vader by reviving Palpatine
Walking ret-con.
This is why we love you, Drinker.
I fear they are going to do a boba on Darth Vader, as if they are gonna have more scenes with his helmet off than on.
Plus they'll probably have him do nothing, whilst the other loud inquisitor does it all.
That's kinda my whole issue with the introduction in canon of inquisitors, its that they take away Vader's purpose and role in hunting Jedi. Plus in large retrospects, it kinda makes it known to all that the Empire is overseen by "sith" and not just the Emperor.
Yeah, not only are inquisitors lame (that fucking helicopter bullshit) but that was literally Vader's job. The only other dark Jedi should be Palpatine's royal guard and Starkiller is you want to keep him canon. That's about it.
@@MALICEM12 Vader has other things to do.
@@Сайтамен like what chilling in his huge fortress on Mustafar?
Hunting rebels?
Hunting Imperial officers whod doesnt do their jobs well?
The Inquisition would be litteraly MADE for this kinda stuff, they have the numbers to be everywhere, the Inquisition irl was litteraly all about enforcing the law and sorta police case stuff so its meant to be their schtick.
Vader is litteraly the ONLY guy thats actually capable of hunting down jedi Masters and other jedi without actual trouble beside plot armour or other tough Jedi nearby to delay him
@@Freedmoon44 Yes, he is military and strategic leader and he can't be in all places at once. Usually Inqusitors work in pairs to take Jedi, and if they find a master, then they call Vader. Plus they find Force-sensitive children.
It's funny how Palpatine did not need a single Sith to destroy the Jedi Order and form the Empire. He did it all with clone troops.
Now there's barely any Jedi left and he has Vader.
Inquisitors are useless and stupid.