After seeing this engine in run down condition on the North Wales Coast line during the early 60's it was heart breaking to see it standing in it's cannibalised condition in Barry scrapyard during my visit in the 70's. It was a dream come true when it was saved and restored to it's better than ever condition by enthusiasts that were determined not to be put off by the negative opinions of the gloom masters of that time. I'm sure it must have encouraged some of the marvelous new builds that we see happening today.
@@rudycarlson8245 Well this video just popped up on my YT screen. I've seen it before and already clicked the "like" button. I also have been wondering what the progress is. There doesn't seem to be too much info about at the moment. Surely it hasn't been in Tyseley since 2013? It only seems like a few years ago I saw a video of them lifting the boiler. Tyseley was my old stomping ground when I was a young lad. I remember "cabbing" many a King and Castle in the twin roundhouses, plus plenty of Halls, Manors and I think there were a few Counties there as well. There never seemed to be anyone about, just the gentle hiss of slumbering giants.
..had the Duke been here in the States it would have more likely than not met the scrapper's torch. So many great and iconic steam locomotives from the New York Central, Pennsylvania Railroad, Milwaukee Road, and others never survived. Would love nothing more than to see one of the art deco styled Hudsons of the 20th Century Limited or the streamlined Atlantics and Hudson's of the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas. Really admire England's sense of preservation. Hope to travel there soon once this covid thing is in the bag to see some of the beauties there.
I would agree with your choice of locomotives which should have been preserved in the States, and let not forget the NYC Niagaras, the steam locomotive which took steam development in the US to its pinnacle. I have travelled behind the Duke, and it's a real powerhouse as rebuilt in preservation, it did a 1:75 bank towing 8 coaches and 2 diesel locomotives at greater speed than one of these 2000hp diesels did on its own on 8 coaches later that day. the Duke goes easy up to the 3000hp mark.
@Why Is Kashmir Real? ...true and the years long restoration completed a couple years ago. Would love to see it here in Portland sometime. We did have it's slightly "smaller" simbing The Challenger here in 1995. Still sad that the iconic Pennsylvania, NYC, Milwaukee Road and other streamlined locomotives never survived. We are fortunate here in Portland be the home of SP #4449. I used to live not far from the yards where it is kept. Had the unique pleasure of watching a "double header" with it and SP&S #700 get underway from Union Station pulling a consist of something like 28 vintage carriages (which included an old Milwaukee Road Hiawatha "Superdome" and "Skytop" lounge tail car) for an excursion trip along the Columbia River.
Restored at G.C.R. loughboro after 11 years ,she first came out as a 4.4.2. Then in primer,and eventually painted and launched by Prince Richard Duke of Gloucester ,it was a magic day for all involved .
I remember seeing the Duke in the shed at the GC at Loughborough around 40 years ago, it was in a terrible state and in bits. Surely I thought, this can never be restored it will cost too much, a lot of parts have been removed and lost, its just not possible. Thankfully I was wrong so so wrong !
The folly of BR. What might have been if steam traction had been allowed to persist for another decade. We could well have seen numbers of this magnificent loco manufactured. But then everything came down to serendipity and one significant figure. Dai Woodham....
Yes, I remember my father going behind her on a railtour (before withdrawal). The performance was not outstanding and the loco crew had not a good word to say for her. I did see her (class 8) at Willesden in the 16th International Railway Congress exhibition (26th may 1954), 70000 Britannia, (cl.7) was also present.
Great story. I so wish we would re-introduce the enormous power of steam back in to main stream transportation. Especially long haul goods and produce. Then into daily driver automobiles. I could watch Jay Leno's Garage all day long when he brings the steam autos out.
@@agy234 Coal is actually one of the cleanest energy sources/technologies. The myth that "we will run out of fossil fuel soon", is just that - a myth. My grandfather worked for Mobil Oil (before it was Mobil Oil in the early 1900's), and my father and two uncles retired from Mobil Oil with 120 years of service between them; 1) one uncle was in exploration, 2) the other uncle in transportation, and 3) my father in production. I, too, spent a few years in oil production. Just sayin'. Coal is not required to produce heat to boil the water to produce the steam. But I understand what you are saying.
@@garryferrington811 how so? And do you assume a different way or re-engineered way /technology means one replaces the other? Those that think eliminating fossil fuels in a handful of years and replace it with only one source are just stupid. There are many forms of energy to be leveraged. Since the sixties I’ve heard nothing but the sky is falling the sky is falling ….. the way the world is very simple - follow the money. No one is getting rid of coal. Definitely not in our lifetime, or our children’s life time ….each energy fuel has its place with some overlap. Nothing is free.
@@garryferrington811 Ah, now I see where you’ve gone wrong …. my guess is that you follow the young Turks. Well, there is room for all these technologies and each has there rightful place.
I am heartened tk see this Magnificent Machine still running today ! Since there is an educational trust that provides for engineering students, has any group or individual considered funding some graduate school e gjneerjng students to encourage them to start TABULA RASA design a 21st century steam engine? This Sngjne would use the newest technologies to produce an ULTRA-MODERN MACHINE powered lets say by PROPANE rather than coal ? If a safe way to store HYDROGEN, this choice would an environmentally "friendly" high energy content fuel. Has anyone done any work to design an ELECTRICALLY HEATED BOILER to motivate a Steam Engine ?
Some good news vintage trains are having this engine and that loco will surely be back sometime now and of course the loco is gonna have two names one with R A riddles name on one side and duke of Gloucester on the other side
With the information in this excellent video and in books she was ,dare i say it built to fail .All i hope is when her overhaul is complete they do away with the unauthentic and quite ridiculous brass numbers .
After seeing this engine in run down condition on the North Wales Coast line during the early 60's it was heart breaking to see it standing in it's cannibalised condition in Barry scrapyard during my visit in the 70's. It was a dream come true when it was saved and restored to it's better than ever condition by enthusiasts that were determined not to be put off by the negative opinions of the gloom masters of that time. I'm sure it must have encouraged some of the marvelous new builds that we see happening today.
I agree - & the story hasn't finished yet...............
@@canberra3 Do you know what the status of the Overhaul is at the present moment?
@@rudycarlson8245 Well this video just popped up on my YT screen. I've seen it before and already clicked the "like" button. I also have been wondering what the progress is. There doesn't seem to be too much info about at the moment. Surely it hasn't been in Tyseley since 2013? It only seems like a few years ago I saw a video of them lifting the boiler.
Tyseley was my old stomping ground when I was a young lad. I remember "cabbing" many a King and Castle in the twin roundhouses, plus plenty of Halls, Manors and I think there were a few Counties there as well. There never seemed to be anyone about, just the gentle hiss of slumbering giants.
@@fredscratchet1355 access was very difficult during covid & the Tyseley lads were similarly affected but all is now underway again.
Like the 4014 BigBoy in America
That is such an impressive engine, pulling an enormous rake of coaches, at high speed, up gradients, with no trouble.
..had the Duke been here in the States it would have more likely than not met the scrapper's torch. So many great and iconic steam locomotives from the New York Central, Pennsylvania Railroad, Milwaukee Road, and others never survived.
Would love nothing more than to see one of the art deco styled Hudsons of the 20th Century Limited or the streamlined Atlantics and Hudson's of the Milwaukee Road's Hiawathas.
Really admire England's sense of preservation. Hope to travel there soon once this covid thing is in the bag to see some of the beauties there.
I would agree with your choice of locomotives which should have been preserved in the States, and let not forget the NYC Niagaras, the steam locomotive which took steam development in the US to its pinnacle.
I have travelled behind the Duke, and it's a real powerhouse as rebuilt in preservation, it did a 1:75 bank towing 8 coaches and 2 diesel locomotives at greater speed than one of these 2000hp diesels did on its own on 8 coaches later that day. the Duke goes easy up to the 3000hp mark.
@Why Is Kashmir Real? ...true and the years long restoration completed a couple years ago. Would love to see it here in Portland sometime. We did have it's slightly "smaller" simbing The Challenger here in 1995. Still sad that the iconic Pennsylvania, NYC, Milwaukee Road and other streamlined locomotives never survived. We are fortunate here in Portland be the home of SP #4449. I used to live not far from the yards where it is kept.
Had the unique pleasure of watching a "double header" with it and SP&S #700 get underway from Union Station pulling a consist of something like 28 vintage carriages (which included an old Milwaukee Road Hiawatha "Superdome" and "Skytop" lounge tail car) for an excursion trip along the Columbia River.
Yes here hear. Well done gentlemen also all those who were and ongoing with the Duke. Also all the best fore the future. bj. N Scale modeler.
Thanks Bruce, I'll pass your congrats on to the trust members, not long now before she starts her third ticket!
Restored at G.C.R. loughboro after 11 years ,she first came out as a 4.4.2. Then in primer,and eventually painted and launched by Prince Richard Duke of Gloucester ,it was a magic day for all involved .
I like the idea that it’s been tuned and modified in preservation into a “hot rod” locomotive.
An excellent film thoroughly enjoyed watching it, love and admire this icon of steam, and simply cannot wait to see her back on the main line 👍👍
The team of restorers, bought the engine laughed at by their own. Proved everyone wrong. With the best restoration in history of preservation.
I remember seeing the Duke in the shed at the GC at Loughborough around 40 years ago, it was in a terrible state and in bits. Surely I thought, this can never be restored it will cost too much, a lot of parts have been removed and lost, its just not possible.
Thankfully I was wrong so so wrong !
A fantastic video. Seen it many a time. Thank you.
The folly of BR. What might have been if steam traction had been allowed to persist for another decade. We could well have seen numbers of this magnificent loco manufactured. But then everything came down to serendipity and one significant figure. Dai Woodham....
Absolutely, thank goodness the local postman delivering to Cashmores spotted that the loco was marked for Dai's yard & so was moved over.
@@canberra3 A brief moment in history when the stars aligned..
Fantastic achievement no doubt about it.
I wish I'd knew about that apprenticeship 2 years ago!
Yes, I remember my father going behind her on a railtour (before withdrawal). The performance was not outstanding and the loco crew had not a good word to say for her. I did see her (class 8) at Willesden in the 16th International Railway Congress exhibition (26th may 1954), 70000 Britannia, (cl.7) was also present.
Great story. I so wish we would re-introduce the enormous power of steam back in to main stream transportation. Especially long haul goods and produce. Then into daily driver automobiles. I could watch Jay Leno's Garage all day long when he brings the steam autos out.
Don’t think they can do that once they get rid of coal
@@agy234 Coal is actually one of the cleanest energy sources/technologies. The myth that "we will run out of fossil fuel soon", is just that - a myth. My grandfather worked for Mobil Oil (before it was Mobil Oil in the early 1900's), and my father and two uncles retired from Mobil Oil with 120 years of service between them; 1) one uncle was in exploration, 2) the other uncle in transportation, and 3) my father in production. I, too, spent a few years in oil production. Just sayin'.
Coal is not required to produce heat to boil the water to produce the steam. But I understand what you are saying.
That would be economic suicide.
@@garryferrington811 how so?
And do you assume a different way or re-engineered way /technology means one replaces the other? Those that think eliminating fossil fuels in a handful of years and replace it with only one source are just stupid. There are many forms of energy to be leveraged. Since the sixties I’ve heard nothing but the sky is falling the sky is falling ….. the way the world is very simple - follow the money.
No one is getting rid of coal. Definitely not in our lifetime, or our children’s life time ….each energy fuel has its place with some overlap. Nothing is free.
@@garryferrington811 Ah, now I see where you’ve gone wrong …. my guess is that you follow the young Turks. Well, there is room for all these technologies and each has there rightful place.
0:35 Duke Of Gloucester Is Famous As Flying Scotsman. Thanks Mate. X
Inspiring stuff, well done one and all.
I am heartened tk see this Magnificent Machine still running today ! Since there is an educational trust that provides for engineering students, has any group or individual considered funding some graduate school e gjneerjng students to encourage them to start TABULA RASA design a 21st century steam engine? This Sngjne would use the newest technologies to produce an ULTRA-MODERN MACHINE powered lets say by PROPANE rather than coal ? If a safe way to store HYDROGEN, this choice would an environmentally "friendly" high energy content fuel. Has anyone done any work to design an ELECTRICALLY HEATED BOILER to motivate a Steam Engine ?
The Swiss put pantographs on some steam engines during WW2 to heat the boiler electrically.
Some good news vintage trains are having this engine and that loco will surely be back sometime now and of course the loco is gonna have two names one with R A riddles name on one side and duke of Gloucester on the other side
Where did you hear that? That isn't happening
Very interesting
With the information in this excellent video and in books she was ,dare i say it built to fail .All i hope is when her overhaul is complete they do away with the unauthentic and quite ridiculous brass numbers .
I'm pleased to say that the brass cabside numbers came off during the last ticket - & won't return!
By the cringe, that opening shot cannot fail to impress.
All credit to Karl Jauncey's team from Preserved Steam on Video......
Pity it's got an American sounding whistle
I'll always take a roar over a squeal
I thought the same thing.
I love American sounding whistles! They sound big and grand!