"Today we will be replacing the old CMOS Battery with this micro-fusion battery. See, these old CMOS Batterys are getting more and more expensive now adays and the Ultimate DOS machines finally decided to die!"
That is a dual-CPU system... The second chip is another Pentium CPU, not a coprocessor. All Pentium CPUs had a built-in math coprocessor. This machine was originally designed for Windows NT.
@@adg1355 I do not think this is true at all. Physical dimensions, pin count and heatsink latches make the sockets either S5 or S7. There also is no 90MHz Pentium Overdrive for Socket 3. PS: Found the CPU Card. It's an ALR 9250. This one comes from an ALR Revolution MP/P90 computer. It is definitively a Socket 5 system.
This seems to be a Dual Pentium system. Second processor is useless on MS-DOS and Win9x because they don't have multiprocessor support. Also these aren't regular ISA slots, they are 32-bit EISA slots (they're compatible with regular 8 and 16 bit ISA though).
the sheer size of components is so much nostalgia for me from seeing older computers in recycling center. despite them being often beyond repair, taking them apart allowed take closer look of the past computers.
bit late to the party, but I have an idea for a case to put that system together with. Two slabs of wood, four long screws, a dremel, a drill, measuring tools, and assorted screws and standoffs. assuming you have most of these, it should cost less than $20. 1: Measure the required width and height for the combo of the motherboard, the drives, the PSU, and the card lengths. Measure the thickness of the wood and addthat length to either side of the motherboard. Use that measurement to cut the first slab, Slab 1, to size. 2: Take the other slab, Slab 2, measure the height of the tallest card, add the thickness of the first slab, and add about another half inch, and cut that to size. 3: Drill holes, install standoffs and motherboard, put one card in, and measure how much space there is between the slot and the bottom of Slab 1, and use that to cut out a big hole for the PCI/ISA area. Save the cut out block. 4: Measure the cutout needed to fit the IO area on Slab 2, and cut out a little more than you need, to fit the large cables more easily. 5: Use the block saved from 3, and cut 90° wedges. Screw these into either side of the motherboard using some of the long screws, so that the 90° corner is aligned with the corners of Slab 1. 6: Install all of the PCI/ISA cards, and use the rest of the long screws to install Slab 2 onto the wedges, joining it with Slab 1. If all the measurements were done right, Slab 2 should sit on the PCI/ISA brackets, and be aligned fairly well with the bottom of Slab 1. 7: Use the drill to tap the spots where the PCI/ISA brackets are supposed to be screwed in, and put screws into the tapped spots. you may have to go bottoms up instead of top-down, so the head of the screw actually torques the bracket into place like normal. 8: use whatever rigging method you wish to mount the CD drive, PSU, HDD, Power button, etcetera. First thing that comes to my mind, is double-sided foamy tape or stick-on velcro. 9(opt): You could take the parts out, sand the whole thing smooth, and apply some sort of wood finish paint to make it look extremely nice. Buying and attaching stick-on rubber or foam feet will also make it a lot more desk-friendly. It took me from the introduction of the new (pair of) board(s) to the end of the video to write this comment. I doubt it will happen, but at least the idea is out in the open now. Another idea for videos, is to get a capture card that takes a VGA signal, and using that on a laptop, alongside a decent webcam, in OBS. That way, you can show the direct output of the monitor, without having to adjust the webcam between showing off parts and display output. All the while, being able to switch betweem them on the fly, without editing it together. Well, Druaga1, it's been a good run for me, today in this comment section, I suppose I'm off. Still inspired -Killermemz, formerly Yackaro.
you're over complicating it way too much just use a serial box and some duct tape🤣🤣🤣 after all this is the weed and SSD channel not the woodshop class channel🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That ruins the integrity of the ultimate dos machine. That install has been cloned, on different drives in the span of 10 years. If that install dies, a piece of druaga dies too.
That machine is begging for NT 4.0 or even Windows 2000/XP if you throw more RAM into it. Its a Dual Pentium 90, so it'll be a bit snappy. EISA slots are a nice touch, they make 10/100 ethernet cards for the bus if you want to conserve PCI slots.
and pretty decent raid controllers, too. after so many years I don't really remember the brands anymore... I think I had a DPT, probably mylex could also be found. I loved EISA after I found you could do the IRQ assignments via software AND validate them!!!
You shouldn't hold the AT power switch that way. I used to do this and I almost killed myself. AC power is getting through that button so you DO NOT want to accidentally touch the cables ends on there ... I zapped myself once with that, thankfully it only went through my finger and not through my whole body ...
@@isaacbushnell2663 AT power doesn't communicate in any way with the motherboard. This is long before the advent of safe soft power switches. This is what we call a *hard* power switch, it connects the power supply to the wall pretty much.
@@AiOinc1 yeah that's why I'm warning him. I've been zapped before by inoffensive things, but this, this was MUCH stronger, and it left some little burn marks on my finger. Thankfully it was really short. I didn't know wall power went through this before, that's how I know x) That's also why they put 4 cables (instead of 2) in a big black protection, and that the cables themselves are much thicker than the other.
@@im.a.nickel Usually they don't have any kind of cover because they expect only qualified service personnel to be inside your computer, or that you're smart enough to unplug it first.
Those are actually EISA slots, not ISA. And 500-ish megabytes (either 504 binary megabytes or 528 decimal megabytes, depending on how you count it) was a BIOS limitation of most pre-mid-1990s PCs, not a DOS or FAT16 limitation. If the hardware supports it, FAT16 can support up to 2 GB partitions (or even up to 4 GB in Windows NT 3.x). With either a BIOS upgrade or the use of drive overlay software, you can get around this limitation on older PCs and allow the full capacity of the drive to be recognized and used. (A similar BIOS limitation of 8 GB maximum drive size applied to many late '90s PCs.)
Server case. That might very well be a 'server' board he has. Back when 486-class rigs were the hottest things out there, you could get these absolutely huge tower cases, which were referred to as 'server towers'. I had one; it was a computer manufactured by Laser, and in its former life, it had been used to run those old NYSE and Wang dumb terminals in a telemarketing company. My tower was very nearly as tall as my desk, and the case, when empty, probably weighed 25 lbs. It had a freakishly huge power supply (I don't mean just big capacity, either - picture a typical AT power supply, but about a foot in length, with a fan on either end!) and it easily added 8-10 lbs to that box. The case was set up with six bays that could used for up to three - count 'em, THREE - full-height 5-1/4 inch hard drives, or up to six half-height drives, or some combination thereof. In addition to this, there was the obligatory 3-1/2 inch floppy bay. The case had provision for up to TEN peripheral cards (the motherboard that was in it had eight, all ISA). The ridiculous thing was, the motherboard had a 486dx/33 processor. Probably one of the fastest things available when it was built. The mobo had no built-in drive controllers, no built-in ANYTHING. It was JUST a processor, memory, chipset, and a whole bunch of peripheral slots.
ISA slots don't have fixed IRQs. IRQs are configured on the cards themselves ^^ Moving the same card from slot 1 to 8 won't change anything. That IRQ thing is true for PCI though, but it's not the same thing as IRQs of ISA. Since AWE64 is a plug and play card, some software is configuring the Address/IRQ/DMA settings automatically. You should check which one of these the software sets your card at and then configure your games to use the same settings. If you disabled sound in duke 3d for example, it would have started right-away.
There's a bit more to it in a EISA board, some could do PnP, others not. (I didn't sit through the video now, I sold a similar EISA monster to a friend in '99. I suppose i also invested the money in good cocktails, so EISA...? it's a bit spotty memory)
The "512 MB" limit you were talking about refers to the limit of old DOS computers to a 504 MB drive due to early BIOS's having a limit of 63 sectors, 16 heads, and 1024 cylinders, leading to the 504 MB restriction for a hard drive. Starting in mid 90s, enhanced BIOS's and, by the 2000s, Logical Block Addressing, bypassed the restriction.
Dual CPU is pointless. Anything running on DOS (including Windows 9x) can't use more than one CPU. So the second CPU isn't being used at all. Install Windows NT 3 or 4 to use both of them.
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d No they don't, it's a dual CPU board. Look at the POST screen, it says "dual PROCESSOR configuration" Just like the 486DX, the intel pentium didn't need a coprocessor like the 8088/286/386 did : they already came with it.
@@DxDeksor so as i researched a little bit; coprocessors used like a acceleration card and it wasn't used for executing programs. But curtain applications used it specifically for accelerating some calculations: www.reddit.com/r/dosgaming/comments/8ydi7e/prequake_games_that_use_a_math_coprocessor/ so i was wrong in the first comment but that doesn't mean they are full blown processors. newer nt kernels might make use of it by using it in mathematical acceleration without asking to application. i need to search a bit
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d Math coprocessors are called "x87" because they all end by "87" (8087, 80287, 80387) and they were usable by any DOS application. But the 486DX included the "487" in its heart, so the pentium did. 486s and Pentiums have no external FPU due to that (the 487SX doesn't count for many reasons I won't explain here, but just to give you an idea, it's a 486DX in disguise). What druaga really has is a Dual CPU motherboard, with Two Intel Pentium running at 90MHz (they both use the same socket as you can see, the only thing different is that they use different coolers for some reasons). Since this board was made for server usage, this is perfectly normal to see that (just like modern servers can have more than one CPU socket to install multiple CPUs on one motherboard) ALR is know to have made several servers with x86 CPUs. Few years later, they made a server that could use up to 6 Intel Pentium Pro (The original P6, ancestor of the Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium M and Intel Core 1)
Hmm.. wonder if you could put a couple Pentium 166 or even 200s in there, then put some more RAM inside, then windows 2000 aka NT 5.0 would be possible.. perhaps even XP Pro aka NT 5.1
People these days are always complaining about how buggy is Windows and Plug n Play is still too hard to understand. Clearly they never knew how it was before...
What amazes me the most is how that same generation who lived through the DOS days settle for modern Windows 10 "automated" bullshit and lack of control over their machines.
You need an IDE controller card. Moat dos builds include them for reasons. They accept big sizes, dont need to input the settings of the drive, and dont run on a battery.
Deksor to get past 504mb on older boards. Also they don’t need to have the setting input for the hard drive and aren’t affected if the cmos battery dies.
@@EvilTurkeySlices it doesn't work that way. If your motherboard has a capacity limitation, you need to update the bios if you can or to install boot software such as Ontrack Disk manager or EZ-Drive to get over the limitation. I can use any IDE controller from the 80's on my 486 from 1994 and I'll be able to use drives bigger than 500MB because the BIOS is newer. My other 486 from 1993 can't do that, so I need to install a boot software as I mentioned.
You should see the PC I'm trying to build, lol. It basically just scrap parts. (I only have hand-me-down parts I'm slowly building up from where family gives me spare stuff when I fix their PC's. )
ISA slots are 1 to 1 pin compatible to the next slot over, so there are no specific IRQs for each slot, they all share the same signals. Moving cards around to different slots does not select a different IRQ.
Coprocessor is just different name for FPU (or math coprocessor; to make floating point operations faster). I don't think that there were any Pentium class CPUs without an FPU. There were 486s with and without it. And everything earlier had external FPU which was optional. And both of these large chips are regular Pentium CPUs. That's what was there before multicore. BTW. I think WindowsNT should be able to utilize both of them.
You can set the drive to AUTO instead of user and it will detect the disk settings. ISA cards usually have their IRQ set by a jumper on the card or sometimes set through a software utility and saved on an eeprom, the slot shouldn't matter.
The EISA Configuration Utility was a floppy disk specific to that system, that would have detected the cards and given you access to the (E)ISA configurations (IRQ, I/O, etc.), but at least you got your expansion cards working by clearing the EISA config data.
just wanted to add exactly this. oh, and you need a cfg-file for every component, including the mainboard. mr_slug is the source. don't know why clearing the eisa config works for him Oo
500-odd megabytes was a BIOS limitation in these early machines. To put a larger drive in, you had to either get a custom BIOS made (there were companies who could do that for you), install a third-party interface board with its own BIOS, or run drive-overlay software. A second limitation was the FAT16 file system, which max'd at 2047 megabytes in DOS. Allegedly under some operating systems, FAT16 could be extended to four gigabytes? I think? but I never had to deal with any of that, and when 486s were 'cutting edge', a two-gb drive was ridiculously expensive (this is part of how the Iomega Zip became popular overnight; it was a comparatively-cheap alternative to buying a bigger and/or second hard drive!).
Used those motherboards a lot back in the dos days and it was great. Had a big tower with 11 or 12 ISA slots and only needed to change the cpu card when I upgraded 😎 But the cpu cards where almost as expensive as a whole pc so when VLB slots where introduced I replaced everything.
yeah, but back in the day it wasn't a boot lottery due to the fact that back then the hardware was brand new and not old and worn out to the point that sometimes boot boots and other times it crashes like this system does🤣🤣🤣
That´s a Dual Pentium system. All Pentium processors have the coprocessor (FPU) built-in. Look at the bios at boot. It says Dual Processor Configuration Detected. Coprocessor or Math Coprocessor was the name of the FPU back then.
I don't know if anyone said this below but to uncompress the files ending in a underscore you need a DOS utility called expand. Then for example type expand xxxxxx.ex_ xxxxxx.exe. Also if i may say so - you have a unique approach to trouble shooting :)
It's weird how fantastically happy when I saw "IRQ set at 5 Successfully" even though it wasn't my computer. And when windows boots up, he turns into Cheech Marin
I'm having a guess it came from an AST Manhattan server? I had one that had a very similar board configuration (dual Pentiums); it was given to me with case... it was a huge black box with mostly missing drives. It was almost 20 years ago since I had it, then junked it some time after.
@15:40 If he turns it on and the thrust from the CPU fan causes the whole riser board to torque over and break, this will be the greatest Druaga1 video of all time. Fingers crossed...
lba support is needed for fat 16 partition bigger than 512mb and smaller than 2gb and you can still have multiple fat16 partitions under 2gb for bigger drives on older motherboards, type in cylinders, heads and tracks and sectors and use harddrive suppoer overlay software to place compatybile layer in memory
@@DxDeksor Unless you install something like 4DOS or some other later modification of it, youre not going to find a version of DOS with much larger disk support. Using FAT16 and never having the option for another file system could very well mean that LBA support was never fully implemented in order to save valuable time and disk space at the time.
@@AiOinc1 what about DOS 7.1 (and 8 but nobody cares about DOS 8) which is in Windows 95 OSR2.x and 98. These two support FAT32. You can make 4 FAT16 partitions with DOS 6.22, no matter what drive/interface is behind that (as long as it's big enough of course) The biggest HDD DOS7.1 can handle without needing third party programs is 128GB (to format it, because I think I remember hearing people say that DOS 7.1 can use any FAT32 partition if you pre-format it with something else)
i love your channel man, so many days of just saurbraten alone in my room on my freebsd laptop while listening to your videos in the background. keep at it mang.
Windows has a dosmode setup program you can run at any time just like most of your drivers and games. You should never have to manually edit config or ini files just to change the video driver. And that's a classic resource conflict. That motherboard brings a lot of extra hardware you didn't have before with its own resource settings, and it probably handles interrupts differently with the coprocessor installed. You can put your ISA cards wherever you want. It doesn't matter except for maybe audio interference based on trace length and what your sound card is physically near to. The slots are all electrically linked together in series and you can verify this with a multimeter set to continuity test. This is also why old servers could daisy-chain ISA backplanes; it's all essentially one long set of wires. It's the cards themselves that have to be configured to use non-conflicting resources. IIRC ctcu shipped with AWE and later SB16 cards for the purpose of setting their resource configuration while diagnose shipped with earlier cards. Also if you want to get really greedy with the video settings that Cirrus Logic card can take two more SOJ40 DRAM chips to bump up the VRAM. You'd just need to get something with similar specs to the soldered chips on the board.
I'm going to be honest, that is the strangest motherboard I've ever seen, same goes for the CPU, I have never seen any Intel 486DX-II with a metal heatsink glued on (excluding the Socket VII OverDrive CPUs) given most 486 cpus I've seen were ceramic.
Many high speed 486s and clones required heatsinks, and, rather than rely on the user to install them properly, they were usually permanently attached at the factory instead. IBM, EverGreen, AMD, IDT, Cyrix, and Intel all did this with their 486s and compatible CPUs. Dual-CPU motherboards are not particularly uncommon, especially starting in the Pentium era, which this is squarely at the beginning of. Watch some old Computer Chronicles episodes about the Pentium and some of the early machines they describe are dual processors!
I think it's likely a pcimig precedessor - industrial stuff. part of the idea was to replace the CPU boards easily while keeping the rest. you would likely be able to find a vendor that makes P4 or even newer CPU cards that would still "work" in there. Though I'm not sure normally there's very little stuff except many slots on the backplanes in those models.
528MB is the first actual drive limit you come across in old drives due to the limited addressing registers old BIOSs had. 512MB is obviously the highest size flash storage that will still fall under this limit. www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations_2.htm
You can plug your CF card via USB-2-CF card reader to a linux machine and read or reconfigure your C/H/S on the CF using a usual fdisk (switch to expert mode when inside)
@Druaga1 CHS (Cylinders Heads Sectors) had a 500MB limit, to get past that limit you needed to use LBA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder-head-sector will give you some useful info. If you can switch the BIOS to use LBA instead of CHS you should be able to use a CF card larger than 500MB
always leave the hard drive settings on auto and make sure the cd drive and hard drive ribbon cable are in the same connector like the black ide connector for the hard drive and the cd drive on the white ide connector that is on the motherboard or on the slot cards
regards disk size: Fat16 max is actually 546mb I used to do a lot of DOS hacking 20+ years ago. I forget the Track, Sectors used back when on the various drive venders. You are right 512 is about the max USABLE space.
At about the 30 minute mark, I think that's when I'd toss in the towel, and get the disks out, and begin rebuilding. Clean DOS and a clean Autoexec.bat and config.sys to fill up appropriately.
3rd power connector? I think it's called an AUX power and it predated the 4 pin P4 power connector. I had a Pentium 60 with one of those because it had 5 ISA and 4 PCI slots, and needed extra juice to run all the cards.
As I recall, the last Pentium processor to come with an MS-DOS-booting OS by default on PCs was one that used Windows 98 SE, or an MS-DOS boot of Windows ME. Those were Pentium IIIs with between 500-1500mhz or so... though you shouldn't have much of a problem booting an early Pentium 4 into MS-DOS... maybe disable hyperthreading if that's on it... or you could try one of the original (single-core) AMD Athlons of the same era... they were freaking great for their time!
@@EvilTurkeySlices it has nothing to do with DOS, DOS 4 to DOS 7.0 (so including 6.22) can only use FAT 16 which is limited to 2GB per partition (up to 4 so you can fully use a 8GB HDD with dos 6.22 with 4 2GB partitions). Only DOS 7.1 and 8 can use FAT32. As for the controller, any controller can do LBA. There is no such thing as "LBA translation", at least on the hardware side. Maybe if you have a controller with its own BIOS it will get over the bios limitation. My 486 has that capacity limitation, but I can get over it with a software such as Ontrack disk manager. My other 486 has LBA support, but there is no integrated controller. I can install any controller (an old ISA one from the 286 times or a more modern VLB one) and it'll work.
@@EvilTurkeySlices you won't find these cards in ISA/VLB form. There are other way around these problems such as using a software (this avoids using one more slot in your computer and is free nowadays)
The computer can only see apparently 504 MB per harddrive and is due to a BIOS limitation. Doesn't seem to matter if it is an AMIBIOS, Award or Phoenix BIOS.
Dude, those are EISA slots. They are backward compatible with ISA, so you are cool putting 16 bit ISA cards in them, but they will also take 32 bit EISA cards. The fact it has the PCI slots shows it to be a transitional period board when PCI was coming on the scene. You may want to look for two capital Sigma letters on the P90 there. If they are absent, you have a FDIV issue.
Duke3d uses a setup.exe program to select (or disable) sound card options. Try that and you'll be able to play it with no sound. Back when I used to play duke3d multiplayer over modem with a friend (back when I was a wee little kid), we had to disable music playback in the setup program otherwise we would get out of sync errors. It was almost like the game was trying to sync the music on both ends, or it had timing issues trying to play the game, send and receive object data over dialup, and play midi music via the SB card...
Its basic knowledge with old machines wich wasn't just plug & play. If you change hardware like Mobo, you will have to run the configuration utilities of the various cards and io devices like mouse and cd devices :) The world was just way more fun in the DOS days. Loads of things that could go wrong and having to manually configure irq's and adresses in the bios for your cards :). Like getting my Roland MPU card to play along with the SB, Network and Grafix card, switching cards around to get them to match to the right irq's, and then spending not just hours but sometimes days or weeks playing with himem and emm386 to squeeze out just a couple of extra kb's of low memory for some of those memory hungry games :) I get it its more fun actually finding old crap like this and getting it to work :) .. but really .. its obsolete .. there isn't many things you cand run in DOSbox. For the record: Start with just the basic setup for playing a game, Graphics card, SB card. 1 run the SB setup file. Standard SB settings is usually Adress: 220h Irq 2, DMA 1. SB16 and later being a 16bit card instead of 8, uses 2 DMA channels, 1 and 5. Depending on your system you usually have to experiment a little with IRQ Settings. Later SB cards can choose between a range of adresses and Irq's, and here is where things become complicated if you have multiple sound sources, like a Roland MT32 or MPU104 Midi interface. -- or other hardware wich might try to use the same channels, like a network card. Some times even more advanced Graphics Cards also might be using these channels. Midi "normally" uses Irq 2 or 9 the latter one wich is one of the "high" Irq channels, and because of how X86 hardware is designed, the high Irq channels is just an "addon". The computer can't use more than 8 Irq's at once on older hardware and OS'es. So Irq 9 shares the same connection to the cpu as Irq 2. So this will end badly. You will have to reassign the SB card to Irq 5 or 7 to make things work (afai recall the SB setup can only choose between Irq 2,5 and 7). After you have set up the SB card and managed to get Midi sound and Wave sound working, MOST DOS games have a "soundset.exe" or whatever its called. Even the SB config sets the sound variables in the autoexec.bat, don't count on games actually use these to find the correct settings. You often have to run each games sound setup if your card isn't set up at the default 220,2,1,5 Values.
100 years from now and the Ultimate DOS machine will still have upgrades
that sounds kinda nice
"Today we will be replacing the old CMOS Battery with this micro-fusion battery. See, these old CMOS Batterys are getting more and more expensive now adays and the Ultimate DOS machines finally decided to die!"
FreeDOS ver. 7.1 with 64 bit expansion. Fpga to emulate any x86 CPU, with multiple clock speed dividers. 100mhz to 10ghz, in 100mhz steps.
why do I feel like that can be true
BIOS has 2099 as last year
That is a dual-CPU system... The second chip is another Pentium CPU, not a coprocessor. All Pentium CPUs had a built-in math coprocessor. This machine was originally designed for Windows NT.
It was puzzling me, a pentium coprocessor? I never heard of one.
Are you sure it's not for a maths co-processor for a 486SX CPU? I.e. a 487
@@TiTiTiTiT It's a Pentium Overdrive that's installed on a 486 mobo.
wow...
@@adg1355 I do not think this is true at all. Physical dimensions, pin count and heatsink latches make the sockets either S5 or S7. There also is no 90MHz Pentium Overdrive for Socket 3.
PS: Found the CPU Card. It's an ALR 9250. This one comes from an ALR Revolution MP/P90 computer. It is definitively a Socket 5 system.
Another >1 hour video from Druaga? This is EXACTLY what I live for.
Agreed
Speaking of length, is there someone who cuts these videos to some less mental lengths?
i want 1 hour drauga vido though >:(
ever tried Human Relationships?
@@Marko-wi1lb no
This seems to be a Dual Pentium system. Second processor is useless on MS-DOS and Win9x because they don't have multiprocessor support.
Also these aren't regular ISA slots, they are 32-bit EISA slots (they're compatible with regular 8 and 16 bit ISA though).
@@JoshOsRocksWindows NT 4.0
@@JoshOsRocks In '95 there was already 386BSD, NeXTSTEP 3.3, Windows NT 3.5...
@@JoshOsRocks All versions of Windows NT have multi-processor support
@@JoshOsRocks NT. I can confirm.
@@dbozan99 I didnt know the home editions had multi processor support...
the sheer size of components is so much nostalgia for me from seeing older computers in recycling center. despite them being often beyond repair, taking them apart allowed take closer look of the past computers.
look at that screen real-estate boy!
bit late to the party, but I have an idea for a case to put that system together with.
Two slabs of wood, four long screws, a dremel, a drill, measuring tools, and assorted screws and standoffs. assuming you have most of these, it should cost less than $20.
1: Measure the required width and height for the combo of the motherboard, the drives, the PSU, and the card lengths. Measure the thickness of the wood and addthat length to either side of the motherboard. Use that measurement to cut the first slab, Slab 1, to size.
2: Take the other slab, Slab 2, measure the height of the tallest card, add the thickness of the first slab, and add about another half inch, and cut that to size.
3: Drill holes, install standoffs and motherboard, put one card in, and measure how much space there is between the slot and the bottom of Slab 1, and use that to cut out a big hole for the PCI/ISA area. Save the cut out block.
4: Measure the cutout needed to fit the IO area on Slab 2, and cut out a little more than you need, to fit the large cables more easily.
5: Use the block saved from 3, and cut 90° wedges. Screw these into either side of the motherboard using some of the long screws, so that the 90° corner is aligned with the corners of Slab 1.
6: Install all of the PCI/ISA cards, and use the rest of the long screws to install Slab 2 onto the wedges, joining it with Slab 1. If all the measurements were done right, Slab 2 should sit on the PCI/ISA brackets, and be aligned fairly well with the bottom of Slab 1.
7: Use the drill to tap the spots where the PCI/ISA brackets are supposed to be screwed in, and put screws into the tapped spots. you may have to go bottoms up instead of top-down, so the head of the screw actually torques the bracket into place like normal.
8: use whatever rigging method you wish to mount the CD drive, PSU, HDD, Power button, etcetera. First thing that comes to my mind, is double-sided foamy tape or stick-on velcro.
9(opt): You could take the parts out, sand the whole thing smooth, and apply some sort of wood finish paint to make it look extremely nice. Buying and attaching stick-on rubber or foam feet will also make it a lot more desk-friendly.
It took me from the introduction of the new (pair of) board(s) to the end of the video to write this comment.
I doubt it will happen, but at least the idea is out in the open now.
Another idea for videos, is to get a capture card that takes a VGA signal, and using that on a laptop, alongside a decent webcam, in OBS. That way, you can show the direct output of the monitor, without having to adjust the webcam between showing off parts and display output. All the while, being able to switch betweem them on the fly, without editing it together.
Well, Druaga1, it's been a good run for me, today in this comment section, I suppose I'm off. Still inspired -Killermemz, formerly Yackaro.
you're over complicating it way too much just use a serial box and some duct tape🤣🤣🤣
after all this is the weed and SSD channel not the woodshop class channel🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve just been asked why I keep shouting “DO A #$!* FRESH INSTALL DUDE!!” at the TV.
Well that is the easy way, not fun at all.
That ruins the integrity of the ultimate dos machine. That install has been cloned, on different drives in the span of 10 years. If that install dies, a piece of druaga dies too.
@@TrolleyMC Exactly!
Lesson learned:
- Step 1 Clear CMOS
- Step 2 Everything else.
Step 1.1: replace the cmos battery.
-Step 3?????
@@nocturnal0072 but but it's an old motherboard why on earth would you do that to the old motherboard it makes to much sense
@@raven4k998 Step 3 is always "profit".
could you imagine if that worked
Just enable LBA to fully use the 8GB HDD !
CHS parameters are for really old drives (less than 500MB ^^)
and now you know why hes stuck using 512 mb hard disks instead of 8gb on that machine he does not know any other way
That machine is begging for NT 4.0 or even Windows 2000/XP if you throw more RAM into it. Its a Dual Pentium 90, so it'll be a bit snappy. EISA slots are a nice touch, they make 10/100 ethernet cards for the bus if you want to conserve PCI slots.
But he wants a dos machine
and pretty decent raid controllers, too. after so many years I don't really remember the brands anymore... I think I had a DPT, probably mylex could also be found. I loved EISA after I found you could do the IRQ assignments via software AND validate them!!!
@@AN-yy9cq if he wants a DOS machine he picked the wrong motherboard, this is just stupid
will a p90 even run windows 2000? i think i ran a beta copy of nt4 on a p100 back in the day. but w2k sounds a bit far.
@@700gsteak Of course it can, even a 486 can run Windows 2000 given enough RAM. P90 can even run XP if you wanted.
You shouldn't hold the AT power switch that way. I used to do this and I almost killed myself. AC power is getting through that button so you DO NOT want to accidentally touch the cables ends on there ... I zapped myself once with that, thankfully it only went through my finger and not through my whole body ...
I'd imagine it's a low power signal to talk to the board and power supply?
@@isaacbushnell2663 AT power doesn't communicate in any way with the motherboard.
This is long before the advent of safe soft power switches. This is what we call a *hard* power switch, it connects the power supply to the wall pretty much.
@@AiOinc1 yeah that's why I'm warning him. I've been zapped before by inoffensive things, but this, this was MUCH stronger, and it left some little burn marks on my finger. Thankfully it was really short.
I didn't know wall power went through this before, that's how I know x)
That's also why they put 4 cables (instead of 2) in a big black protection, and that the cables themselves are much thicker than the other.
Can agree I found this out the hard way as a kid. The one in my machine didn't have the heat shrink around it.
@@im.a.nickel Usually they don't have any kind of cover because they expect only qualified service personnel to be inside your computer, or that you're smart enough to unplug it first.
Wow! New video from druaga!!!!
Didn't even get through the ad and I liked it. I know what's coming. :)
@@denniswoycheshen Same!
He can run setup on doom and Duke 3d to setup the sound options can't he?
Oh wait. Haha. I commented too soon ;)
Those are actually EISA slots, not ISA. And 500-ish megabytes (either 504 binary megabytes or 528 decimal megabytes, depending on how you count it) was a BIOS limitation of most pre-mid-1990s PCs, not a DOS or FAT16 limitation. If the hardware supports it, FAT16 can support up to 2 GB partitions (or even up to 4 GB in Windows NT 3.x). With either a BIOS upgrade or the use of drive overlay software, you can get around this limitation on older PCs and allow the full capacity of the drive to be recognized and used. (A similar BIOS limitation of 8 GB maximum drive size applied to many late '90s PCs.)
Hello Mr vwestlife
I don't know who you are or why I'm here but I like what I'm seeing. Well done, algorithm
are you sure?
I wish Kirby was smoking a stick of ram :/
He did in the 2018 4/20 video.
be careful what you wish for kid
"this board came with a case - but it was too massive"
But...how can you fit that board in any other case?
He should get a custom made case for it, using modern tech, he could save a lot of space compared to what it used to be.
he'll invest in more lego blocks
Server case. That might very well be a 'server' board he has. Back when 486-class rigs were the hottest things out there, you could get these absolutely huge tower cases, which were referred to as 'server towers'. I had one; it was a computer manufactured by Laser, and in its former life, it had been used to run those old NYSE and Wang dumb terminals in a telemarketing company. My tower was very nearly as tall as my desk, and the case, when empty, probably weighed 25 lbs. It had a freakishly huge power supply (I don't mean just big capacity, either - picture a typical AT power supply, but about a foot in length, with a fan on either end!) and it easily added 8-10 lbs to that box. The case was set up with six bays that could used for up to three - count 'em, THREE - full-height 5-1/4 inch hard drives, or up to six half-height drives, or some combination thereof. In addition to this, there was the obligatory 3-1/2 inch floppy bay. The case had provision for up to TEN peripheral cards (the motherboard that was in it had eight, all ISA). The ridiculous thing was, the motherboard had a 486dx/33 processor. Probably one of the fastest things available when it was built. The mobo had no built-in drive controllers, no built-in ANYTHING. It was JUST a processor, memory, chipset, and a whole bunch of peripheral slots.
ISA slots don't have fixed IRQs. IRQs are configured on the cards themselves ^^
Moving the same card from slot 1 to 8 won't change anything.
That IRQ thing is true for PCI though, but it's not the same thing as IRQs of ISA.
Since AWE64 is a plug and play card, some software is configuring the Address/IRQ/DMA settings automatically. You should check which one of these the software sets your card at and then configure your games to use the same settings. If you disabled sound in duke 3d for example, it would have started right-away.
There's a bit more to it in a EISA board, some could do PnP, others not. (I didn't sit through the video now, I sold a similar EISA monster to a friend in '99. I suppose i also invested the money in good cocktails, so EISA...? it's a bit spotty memory)
@@udirt Well probably, but he didn't use any EISA card, so I guess it doesn't matter
This brings back so many memories of a time when troubleshooting your hard and software *for days* to make that damn game work was a game in itself.
Highest fat16 volume size compatible with dos is 2 GiB
Kinda, above 1gb its usually buggy at least in my experience
I used to use piles of 2GB partitions. Never had any issues aside from the insanely large sector size (so lots of water space).
The "512 MB" limit you were talking about refers to the limit of old DOS computers to a 504 MB drive due to early BIOS's having a limit of 63 sectors, 16 heads, and 1024 cylinders, leading to the 504 MB restriction for a hard drive. Starting in mid 90s, enhanced BIOS's and, by the 2000s, Logical Block Addressing, bypassed the restriction.
Dual CPU is pointless. Anything running on DOS (including Windows 9x) can't use more than one CPU. So the second CPU isn't being used at all. Install Windows NT 3 or 4 to use both of them.
its a coprocessor, they combine to make a single thread which dos can handle
pentium itself also includes some coprocessors too.
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d No they don't, it's a dual CPU board. Look at the POST screen, it says "dual PROCESSOR configuration"
Just like the 486DX, the intel pentium didn't need a coprocessor like the 8088/286/386 did : they already came with it.
@@DxDeksor so as i researched a little bit; coprocessors used like a acceleration card and it wasn't used for executing programs.
But curtain applications used it specifically for accelerating some calculations: www.reddit.com/r/dosgaming/comments/8ydi7e/prequake_games_that_use_a_math_coprocessor/
so i was wrong in the first comment but that doesn't mean they are full blown processors.
newer nt kernels might make use of it by using it in mathematical acceleration without asking to application.
i need to search a bit
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d Math coprocessors are called "x87" because they all end by "87" (8087, 80287, 80387) and they were usable by any DOS application. But the 486DX included the "487" in its heart, so the pentium did. 486s and Pentiums have no external FPU due to that (the 487SX doesn't count for many reasons I won't explain here, but just to give you an idea, it's a 486DX in disguise).
What druaga really has is a Dual CPU motherboard, with Two Intel Pentium running at 90MHz (they both use the same socket as you can see, the only thing different is that they use different coolers for some reasons). Since this board was made for server usage, this is perfectly normal to see that (just like modern servers can have more than one CPU socket to install multiple CPUs on one motherboard)
ALR is know to have made several servers with x86 CPUs. Few years later, they made a server that could use up to 6 Intel Pentium Pro (The original P6, ancestor of the Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium M and Intel Core 1)
Hmm.. wonder if you could put a couple Pentium 166 or even 200s in there, then put some more RAM inside, then windows 2000 aka NT 5.0 would be possible.. perhaps even XP Pro aka NT 5.1
7:08 - I just noticed the Kirby plushes!
Reggie or not, My body is ready.
:D
“Get your body ready” best quote from him 😭
this frankenstein pc is cursing you for not letting it rest in peace
Oh gawd. 😂
1:15:11 Oh the speakers are turned up~ *loud windows sounds start, 1sec later interrupted by an error* Oh deniiiiiied~ - Dragua 2019
People these days are always complaining about how buggy is Windows and Plug n Play is still too hard to understand.
Clearly they never knew how it was before...
What amazes me the most is how that same generation who lived through the DOS days settle for modern Windows 10 "automated" bullshit and lack of control over their machines.
they could try to install BSD to get a flavor of the old days...
Gonna love plug and play. Resetting the cmos forced it to redo all of its PNP configuration
Love your personality while your chatting along, enjoyable video, thanks!
You need an IDE controller card. Moat dos builds include them for reasons. They accept big sizes, dont need to input the settings of the drive, and dont run on a battery.
What are you talking about ?
Deksor to get past 504mb on older boards. Also they don’t need to have the setting input for the hard drive and aren’t affected if the cmos battery dies.
@@EvilTurkeySlices it doesn't work that way. If your motherboard has a capacity limitation, you need to update the bios if you can or to install boot software such as Ontrack Disk manager or EZ-Drive to get over the limitation.
I can use any IDE controller from the 80's on my 486 from 1994 and I'll be able to use drives bigger than 500MB because the BIOS is newer. My other 486 from 1993 can't do that, so I need to install a boot software as I mentioned.
@@DxDeksor It is easier to just use a controller card.
Deksor it does definitely work that way.
I love the amalgamation of technology used to birth this dos monstrosity
You should see the PC I'm trying to build, lol. It basically just scrap parts. (I only have hand-me-down parts I'm slowly building up from where family gives me spare stuff when I fix their PC's. )
dostrosity
ISA slots are 1 to 1 pin compatible to the next slot over, so there are no specific IRQs for each slot, they all share the same signals. Moving cards around to different slots does not select a different IRQ.
Coprocessor is just different name for FPU (or math coprocessor; to make floating point operations faster). I don't think that there were any Pentium class CPUs without an FPU. There were 486s with and without it. And everything earlier had external FPU which was optional. And both of these large chips are regular Pentium CPUs. That's what was there before multicore. BTW. I think WindowsNT should be able to utilize both of them.
You can set the drive to AUTO instead of user and it will detect the disk settings. ISA cards usually have their IRQ set by a jumper on the card or sometimes set through a software utility and saved on an eeprom, the slot shouldn't matter.
The EISA Configuration Utility was a floppy disk specific to that system, that would have detected the cards and given you access to the (E)ISA configurations (IRQ, I/O, etc.), but at least you got your expansion cards working by clearing the EISA config data.
just wanted to add exactly this. oh, and you need a cfg-file for every component, including the mainboard. mr_slug is the source. don't know why clearing the eisa config works for him Oo
500-odd megabytes was a BIOS limitation in these early machines. To put a larger drive in, you had to either get a custom BIOS made (there were companies who could do that for you), install a third-party interface board with its own BIOS, or run drive-overlay software. A second limitation was the FAT16 file system, which max'd at 2047 megabytes in DOS. Allegedly under some operating systems, FAT16 could be extended to four gigabytes? I think? but I never had to deal with any of that, and when 486s were 'cutting edge', a two-gb drive was ridiculously expensive (this is part of how the Iomega Zip became popular overnight; it was a comparatively-cheap alternative to buying a bigger and/or second hard drive!).
Used those motherboards a lot back in the dos days and it was great. Had a big tower with 11 or 12 ISA slots and only needed to change the cpu card when I upgraded 😎 But the cpu cards where almost as expensive as a whole pc so when VLB slots where introduced I replaced everything.
yeah, but back in the day it wasn't a boot lottery due to the fact that back then the hardware was brand new and not old and worn out to the point that sometimes boot boots and other times it crashes like this system does🤣🤣🤣
I've never heard someone so excited to hear Fur Elise 1:10:53
Thanks for taking us on this adventure, Druaga! I think I learned something.
Idk where to upload it, (I have no social medias!) but would you like some fanart of a shades-wearing Oddish holding an SSD?
Photobucket or imgur?
Me: Oh yeah a druaga1 video!
Also me: OH WAIT 1:17h F*CK YEAH!
Whats up with these short uploads, what to do with my life. ill guess i re-watch this again.
That´s a Dual Pentium system. All Pentium processors have the coprocessor (FPU) built-in. Look at the bios at boot. It says Dual Processor Configuration Detected. Coprocessor or Math Coprocessor was the name of the FPU back then.
I don't know if anyone said this below but to uncompress the files ending in a underscore you need a DOS utility called expand. Then for example type expand xxxxxx.ex_ xxxxxx.exe.
Also if i may say so - you have a unique approach to trouble shooting :)
It's weird how fantastically happy when I saw "IRQ set at 5 Successfully" even though it wasn't my computer. And when windows boots up, he turns into Cheech Marin
*God rejoins the game*
Druaga1: it's going to crack the board oh shit
God: that will teach you to use bottle caps as a motherboard stand lol
I'm having a guess it came from an AST Manhattan server? I had one that had a very similar board configuration (dual Pentiums); it was given to me with case... it was a huge black box with mostly missing drives. It was almost 20 years ago since I had it, then junked it some time after.
This wouldn't have been a Druaga1 video if everything worked the first time.
This is the druaga1 content that i'm always waiting for. Saved my saturday morning
This is not what I needed to discover at midnight. Now I'm staying up till 1 am. G r e a t.
@15:40 If he turns it on and the thrust from the CPU fan causes the whole riser board to torque over and break, this will be the greatest Druaga1 video of all time. Fingers crossed...
lba support is needed for fat 16 partition bigger than 512mb and smaller than 2gb
and you can still have multiple fat16 partitions under 2gb
for bigger drives on older motherboards, type in cylinders, heads and tracks and sectors and use harddrive suppoer overlay software to place compatybile layer in memory
Why didn't you enable LBA?
DOS has shit support for LBA, about the best you can get is making a million 2GB partitions of a drive.
@@AiOinc1 that's not DOS having a problem with LBA, it's just limited to FAT16
@@DxDeksor Unless you install something like 4DOS or some other later modification of it, youre not going to find a version of DOS with much larger disk support.
Using FAT16 and never having the option for another file system could very well mean that LBA support was never fully implemented in order to save valuable time and disk space at the time.
@@AiOinc1 what about DOS 7.1 (and 8 but nobody cares about DOS 8) which is in Windows 95 OSR2.x and 98. These two support FAT32.
You can make 4 FAT16 partitions with DOS 6.22, no matter what drive/interface is behind that (as long as it's big enough of course)
The biggest HDD DOS7.1 can handle without needing third party programs is 128GB (to format it, because I think I remember hearing people say that DOS 7.1 can use any FAT32 partition if you pre-format it with something else)
i love your channel man, so many days of just saurbraten alone in my room on my freebsd laptop while listening to your videos in the background. keep at it mang.
Windows has a dosmode setup program you can run at any time just like most of your drivers and games. You should never have to manually edit config or ini files just to change the video driver.
And that's a classic resource conflict. That motherboard brings a lot of extra hardware you didn't have before with its own resource settings, and it probably handles interrupts differently with the coprocessor installed.
You can put your ISA cards wherever you want. It doesn't matter except for maybe audio interference based on trace length and what your sound card is physically near to. The slots are all electrically linked together in series and you can verify this with a multimeter set to continuity test. This is also why old servers could daisy-chain ISA backplanes; it's all essentially one long set of wires. It's the cards themselves that have to be configured to use non-conflicting resources.
IIRC ctcu shipped with AWE and later SB16 cards for the purpose of setting their resource configuration while diagnose shipped with earlier cards.
Also if you want to get really greedy with the video settings that Cirrus Logic card can take two more SOJ40 DRAM chips to bump up the VRAM. You'd just need to get something with similar specs to the soldered chips on the board.
Wow, that BIOS brought back so many memories
I love him
This brings back so many memories.
Even more stuff for the ultimate DOS machine?
I'm going to be honest, that is the strangest motherboard I've ever seen, same goes for the CPU, I have never seen any Intel 486DX-II with a metal heatsink glued on (excluding the Socket VII OverDrive CPUs) given most 486 cpus I've seen were ceramic.
Many high speed 486s and clones required heatsinks, and, rather than rely on the user to install them properly, they were usually permanently attached at the factory instead. IBM, EverGreen, AMD, IDT, Cyrix, and Intel all did this with their 486s and compatible CPUs.
Dual-CPU motherboards are not particularly uncommon, especially starting in the Pentium era, which this is squarely at the beginning of. Watch some old Computer Chronicles episodes about the Pentium and some of the early machines they describe are dual processors!
I think it's likely a pcimig precedessor - industrial stuff. part of the idea was to replace the CPU boards easily while keeping the rest. you would likely be able to find a vendor that makes P4 or even newer CPU cards that would still "work" in there. Though I'm not sure normally there's very little stuff except many slots on the backplanes in those models.
that alr board is some fancy server board with tons of ISA and PCI slots
FAT16 goes to 2GB. The 512MB limit is most likely a limitation of the C/H/S system
528MB is the first actual drive limit you come across in old drives due to the limited addressing registers old BIOSs had. 512MB is obviously the highest size flash storage that will still fall under this limit.
www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/drive_size_barrier_limitations_2.htm
Motherboards usually have a jumper to clear cmos... no need to remove the battery...
I second that. Also removing the battery doesn't always work right.
I'm a simple man: I see a Druaga video, I hit the like button :)
Denied Breaks the like and dislike buttons no button for you now sir
Awww yisssss, the Hunt's tomato sauce returns! Yay for more DOS fuckery!
You can plug your CF card via USB-2-CF card reader to a linux machine and read or reconfigure your C/H/S on the CF using a usual fdisk (switch to expert mode when inside)
@Druaga1 CHS (Cylinders Heads Sectors) had a 500MB limit, to get past that limit you needed to use LBA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder-head-sector will give you some useful info. If you can switch the BIOS to use LBA instead of CHS you should be able to use a CF card larger than 500MB
Omg I was just watching your videos and I saw you upload a new vid, yay!
Look at that, two ads in an hour. Druaga is a god
That motherboard in the beginning looks a lot like one of the computers my dad has back home.
2nd March and druaga releases a hour long video, this month starts great!
1:00 FAT16 is limited to 2 GiB partition size. It's FAT12 that's limited to ~512M
Do you remember the Cubic MOD Player? I spent hours listening to .MOD midi music back in the day.
always leave the hard drive settings on auto
and make sure the cd drive and hard drive ribbon cable
are in the same connector like the black ide connector for the hard drive
and the cd drive on the white ide connector that is on the motherboard or on the slot cards
Wahay druaga! I love your videos man, keep doing what you're doing!
Your videos are far more entertaining when I’m high. Marijuana is amazing shit.
That 341MB drive wasn't autodetected, it was manually configured by the previous owner of that machine
This was one hell of a wild ride
love your dos machine videos, please make more of them :)
regards disk size: Fat16 max is actually 546mb I used to do a lot of DOS hacking 20+ years ago. I forget the Track, Sectors used back when on the various drive venders. You are right 512 is about the max USABLE space.
New video!! I was waiting so long. Thank you!
At about the 30 minute mark, I think that's when I'd toss in the towel, and get the disks out, and begin rebuilding. Clean DOS and a clean Autoexec.bat and config.sys to fill up appropriately.
3rd power connector? I think it's called an AUX power and it predated the 4 pin P4 power connector.
I had a Pentium 60 with one of those because it had 5 ISA and 4 PCI slots, and needed extra juice to run all the cards.
Noice intro
Man, what a roller coaster ride!
As I recall, the last Pentium processor to come with an MS-DOS-booting OS by default on PCs was one that used Windows 98 SE, or an MS-DOS boot of Windows ME. Those were Pentium IIIs with between 500-1500mhz or so... though you shouldn't have much of a problem booting an early Pentium 4 into MS-DOS... maybe disable hyperthreading if that's on it... or you could try one of the original (single-core) AMD Athlons of the same era... they were freaking great for their time!
Oh man I had several motherboards that exact size!
500MB limit is the capacity limit of the BIOS. That's why they came up with LBA in the mid 90's
DOS 6.22 doesn’t support LBA, so you need a controller that supports LBA translation to tell DOS the proper size.
@@EvilTurkeySlices it has nothing to do with DOS, DOS 4 to DOS 7.0 (so including 6.22) can only use FAT 16 which is limited to 2GB per partition (up to 4 so you can fully use a 8GB HDD with dos 6.22 with 4 2GB partitions). Only DOS 7.1 and 8 can use FAT32.
As for the controller, any controller can do LBA. There is no such thing as "LBA translation", at least on the hardware side. Maybe if you have a controller with its own BIOS it will get over the bios limitation.
My 486 has that capacity limitation, but I can get over it with a software such as Ontrack disk manager. My other 486 has LBA support, but there is no integrated controller. I can install any controller (an old ISA one from the 286 times or a more modern VLB one) and it'll work.
Deksor it is a bios thing, but not all boards got a bios update for it.
@@EvilTurkeySlices you won't find these cards in ISA/VLB form. There are other way around these problems such as using a software (this avoids using one more slot in your computer and is free nowadays)
512 is for Normal any thing over that you need to use LBA settings in the Bios 2GB is the limit for FAT16
You should definitely do a video of that sample recording process. I'd watch it.
Hey smoker's druagga one here, today we will be installing Windows 10 on the ultimate dos machine. "Actually does it" MS: we need to hire this guy. "
If you can get it to run without needing XD/DX/NX, PAE, SSE2 by all means...
In before druagga writes a whole new compiler for windows 10.
hell yea
The computer can only see apparently 504 MB per harddrive and is due to a BIOS limitation. Doesn't seem to matter if it is an AMIBIOS, Award or Phoenix BIOS.
Dude, those are EISA slots. They are backward compatible with ISA, so you are cool putting 16 bit ISA cards in them, but they will also take 32 bit EISA cards. The fact it has the PCI slots shows it to be a transitional period board when PCI was coming on the scene.
You may want to look for two capital Sigma letters on the P90 there. If they are absent, you have a FDIV issue.
druaga i fucking love you these videos are great
44:15 For a second, Druaga1 becomes Danooct1
Duke3d uses a setup.exe program to select (or disable) sound card options. Try that and you'll be able to play it with no sound.
Back when I used to play duke3d multiplayer over modem with a friend (back when I was a wee little kid), we had to disable music playback in the setup program otherwise we would get out of sync errors. It was almost like the game was trying to sync the music on both ends, or it had timing issues trying to play the game, send and receive object data over dialup, and play midi music via the SB card...
Dude that looks awesome!! Druaga1 for life!!
Its basic knowledge with old machines wich wasn't just plug & play. If you change hardware like Mobo, you will have to run the configuration utilities of the various cards and io devices like mouse and cd devices :) The world was just way more fun in the DOS days. Loads of things that could go wrong and having to manually configure irq's and adresses in the bios for your cards :). Like getting my Roland MPU card to play along with the SB, Network and Grafix card, switching cards around to get them to match to the right irq's, and then spending not just hours but sometimes days or weeks playing with himem and emm386 to squeeze out just a couple of extra kb's of low memory for some of those memory hungry games :) I get it its more fun actually finding old crap like this and getting it to work :) .. but really .. its obsolete .. there isn't many things you cand run in DOSbox.
For the record:
Start with just the basic setup for playing a game, Graphics card, SB card.
1 run the SB setup file. Standard SB settings is usually Adress: 220h Irq 2, DMA 1. SB16 and later being a 16bit card instead of 8, uses 2 DMA channels, 1 and 5. Depending on your system you usually have to experiment a little with IRQ Settings. Later SB cards can choose between a range of adresses and Irq's, and here is where things become complicated if you have multiple sound sources, like a Roland MT32 or MPU104 Midi interface. -- or other hardware wich might try to use the same channels, like a network card. Some times even more advanced Graphics Cards also might be using these channels. Midi "normally" uses Irq 2 or 9 the latter one wich is one of the "high" Irq channels, and because of how X86 hardware is designed, the high Irq channels is just an "addon". The computer can't use more than 8 Irq's at once on older hardware and OS'es. So Irq 9 shares the same connection to the cpu as Irq 2. So this will end badly. You will have to reassign the SB card to Irq 5 or 7 to make things work (afai recall the SB setup can only choose between Irq 2,5 and 7).
After you have set up the SB card and managed to get Midi sound and Wave sound working, MOST DOS games have a "soundset.exe" or whatever its called. Even the SB config sets the sound variables in the autoexec.bat, don't count on games actually use these to find the correct settings. You often have to run each games sound setup if your card isn't set up at the default 220,2,1,5 Values.
Sounds like the capacitors went bad on your AWE64
Hell yeah! IT WORKS!