Why Cheating was Legalized in Professional Tennis
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Professional tennis players… have been cheating. Openly, and on a regular basis. Out of desperation, the ATP, WTA, and the Four Grand Slams have recently enacted landmark rule changes that have legalized these violations , but in doing so, may have opened the door to a host of other potentially serious logistical and ethical issues posed by removing the final barrier that separated not just player from coach, but tennis itself from its famed reputation as the last remaining gladiator-esqe major sport.
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This rule is archaic tbh. Players Coach collab is more interesting in a game.
Cult tennis is kinda like Kyrgios. Ridiculously inconsistent, but when he shows up, very entertaining
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I find Kyrgios the most annoying player that ever lived. He makes McEnroe look like a calm Buddhist monk.
Kyrgios doesn’t deserve this kind of recognition for a sport he just doesn’t give a shit about.
I've always wondered why (if coaching is cheating) they put the coaches so close to the players....
Let's put them more far, and maybe put the two coaches together so they will cancel each other 😂
Putting two coaches with each other would be pretty funny and may had been effective.
That would be a great sideshow for tennis matches!
I look forward to the arguments and fist fights lol
In American football, coaches calling plays from the sideline was banned, but some coaches called plays anyway, giving them an advantage over the honest coaches.
They solved the problem by allowing coaches to call plays legal...now everyone is equal.
@@snotnosewilly99 The big problem here is that not everyone has a coach at all, much less the 2, 3, or sometimes even 4 that the top players use. I'm generally okay with the random insight here or there during a break, but definitely not some kind of fully open system. Combine that with letting these coaches have access to the statistical data being gathered by the venue DURING THAT MATCH, it's literally just going to become whichever skilled player that isn't injured and has the better coach is going to win. Tennis won't be about the players anymore, but about their team.
dude, i played tennis competitively my entire life and tore my ACL my first year in college. two years (and two surgeries) later, i still can’t return to the court. your videos let me feel connected to my sport :^) thank you for what you do
im a tennis player
i understand how hard it is to come back to the court after surgery
i hope you recover fast and i ll pray for u
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Stay strong
Tennis can be so brutal on the body -. I had something similar happen because my mind was playing faster than my body. You get so into the game…
11:00 - They've introduced a serve clock timer so I have no problem if all coaching happens within that time. They need the start the clock at the end of the last point
Perfect solution
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He vanished
Agree, that it's about balancing tradition and growing the game. However, for those of us who took up the sport because it is truly YOU versus your opponent, my skills versus his, my mindset versus his - it destroys the very fabric / intention / invention of the game to get coaching during a match.
As long as everyone is allowed to do it, it's not a big deal. There's plenty of coaching happening during the game with other sports....
I mean, are you a professional? Maybe just set a rule to play without coaching. No offense intended
this is dumbest rule ever. they should get rid of it
I don't agree. Coaching makes the game more unpredictable. The scenario of a set can change during a point. We see more variation of strategies, more weapons being used, more FUN. Also, it does not destroys "the very fabric / intention / invention" of the game. Tennis was not made to be like this, it was meant to be just a game with rackets man, don't go all Socrates about it, it's really not that deep.
The notion of it being a pure one vs. one game is completely bunk in a professional setting. The presence of the crowd is a huge factor in most grand slam games, and it often isnt evenly split
Very interesting video. I never thought about potential consequences of unbalancing a meeting between a player who get advices, stats, etc and a player already struggling to sustain himself.
This. Money is always going to be a factor of everything (not just sport), but I think this reason alone is enough to NOT allow coaching to prevent "rich players gettting richer".
Yes, let's pretend that brief coach during games is the only difference between a wealthy player and a player who barely breaks even to keep the playing field even. The support wealthy players get before matches, during training etc is already making the sport (and many other sports) unequal
I teach tennis for a living. For a while I would say something about a match on TV and then the commentators would say it right after me so i figured i had a decent tennis iq. But when the coaches came out there and said what i was thinking, i was like "yoooo i should go up on my rates!!"
“Hit it in, don’t let it bounce twice, move your feet”
Amazing stuff!
(Yes, I’m joking)
I'd be quite upset if the majors changed to 3 set matches for the men. I'd like the opposite. I think the women should play 5 set matches just like the men. 5 set matches are far more entertaining.
For the spectators 5 sets are great but for the individual player health we have to cut down the game time at each tournament. This is especially true for the players who consistently make deeps runs into these tournaments. Imagine playing 5 set matches for two weeks then going into another one without any down time or recovery.
@@amsd1231 It only happens 4 times a year. I think they can handle it. The guys do. They can always take a week off if they want.
@amsd1231 Usually players withdraw from tournaments the week after a deep run.
I'm pretty fed up with sports making changes for the worst and justifying it by looking after athletes. Whilst that might be true at the end of the day professional sport only exists because of the fans and they're the ones that seem to always bite the bullet as year in year out prices for everything from tickets to even streaming services increases.
@@zjzr08 And this gives other players the opportunity to gain experience and ranking points?
Less than a week ago I revisited your channel after realising you hadn’t posted in a while so I’m glad to see you’re back!
Don't you love it how Serena claims she never cheats and her own coach admitted that they cheated. Lol
it's so dumb to call it cheating as if coaches don't give advice to players or athletes in ANY OTHER SPORT. The athlete still has to go out and execute it. Stop being a dramatic whiner
Breaking an established rule in a sport is cheating, full stop. @@StewNWT
@@StewNWT It's cheating because it was still not allowed at that time. So IT IS CHEATING
Her coach said that he was coaching but not that she was paying attention and as stated by the whole point of the video every player gets coaching.
@@Kaimax61 well sure that's the stupid answer. Was it an infraction? Sure and the ump was right to make the call. BUt is it actually cheating at tennis? Of course not. Don't be stupid. There's a difference between breaking the rules and cheating. Learn to read
I have no problem with on court coaching. It’s happening anyway and officials can’t stop it. Let it happen.
Timing bathroom breaks is also a good idea to speed up the game.
They can. Ban coaches and/or all communications with player.
But should it be done?
The body governing tennis is facing the same problem the awards shows like Oscar have. They think they need to chance to apeal to a larger audience, but the chances fail to do that AND alienate the fans that already like the event.
The problem is that tennis in general doesn't know how to Market itself. They just show people's faces and then tell you when they're playing. And theu barely do that. Wta has a chance because the women are more dramatic on the whole but they refuse to make that a thing. If a female player is problematic, you have a better chance of watching the match live or a channel that highlights ratchetness in women's tennis. They want you to care about the stuff they care about. I'm in my forties, I don't care about women who have babies and go back to work. In my life that is pretty normal.
worse is they love to half ass it most of the time. making changes that don't completely fit any criteria and ends up bummed out on why there's no new blood in the game. (watching the game)
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 Some say the ATP should've been marketed as gladiatorial rather than a high-class port per se as tennis is a lot more physical and mental than what the mainstream usually see - I personally see that Federer being hyped mostly is due to his "elegance" which while is a fine virtue doesn't help build a "rough" image to the game IMO.
Table tennis has been messing with its rules for the reason of widening popularity. Eg changing the No. of points to 11. Banning certain rubbers, changing size composition of balls. None of which widened the popularity (to the best of my knowledge)
There are examples, such as Formula 1 though, that show changes can increase the appeal for a sport and bring new stable viewers
"Hit deeper" is a very useful coaching for Rublev, I guess. top-10 player frequently forget about the depth :(
Correct pronunciation would be "beiy glubzhe".
He gave an example bru 😭
@@WhosCarlos0 but even if you listen to what coaches do say during matches, their advices are not way deeper. “Play more backhand”, “step in on a second a serve”
@@azkalot1 even pros get lost in the heat of the moment. They’re human too
@@WhosCarlos0 exactly! So it doesn't make sense to ban coaching since in many times it really on a level of encouragement
I say no computer data access. I say coach can talks to player but not the other way round and only when they are on the same side of the court.
Agreed, they are going to have access after the match anyway. But during the match is just ridiculous for the player who cannot even afford a coach to bring them the iPad with the data.
But then you run into the same issues of having to catch them because you just know people will have analysts sending info to the coaches via phones, watches, glasses.. etc.
If they make men's grand slams best of 3 it will be nail in the coffin not progress
I think they could make it best of 3 for rounds 1-4, then keep QF-F best of 5. Women can do that too.
@@Mysterio2024 I'm more accepting of this suggestion than 3 sets outright for the whole GS. I think the AO showed us the impact of significant court time. If it was best of 3 we might have had a totally different AO champion. Definitely have to keep it the way it is in my mind. The athletes are paid enough and now more than ever.
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This was super high quality and informative too. Kudos to you my friend
I think you hit the nail on the head: unfair advantage for those at the top of the game who can afford to travel with a whole entourage. It can only make the gap between the top 200 or so and the rest wider, and less of a level playing field - which it really isn't. Love: the shot clock, timed bathroom breaks (two permitted in 5 set matches but time limited). Hate: only 3 sets for slams and the idea of games only going up to 4, rather than 6)
A theory that needs to be supported by evidence. The top players already have much more that put them at an advantage - coaches, physios, trainers, experience. The notion that court coaching is going to widen the gap or greater advantage needs data
@@imalwaysright If it's not going to make a difference, why have it at all? Of course, it's going to make a difference, logic would state that receiving information and statistics to the player's advantage, for those that can have it, it's yet another thing for them
@ddjr6673 of course it makes a small difference and that's why wealthy players do it, but it's not much when compared to the rest of the support they receive
@@ddjr6673so we need to ban other staff too? They also have more money to do more more quality training with partners and coaches. Flying to camps too. Can't make it all entirely equal since their preparation will *always* be unequal.
@@vrnvorona What happens outside of the court is a different matter entirely. It has always been the case that athletes who have a better network of people and put in the work are going to have an advantage over those that just put in the work. That's part of sports in general. But the goal should ALWAYS be to at least mitigate these disadvantages as much as possible. This decision wasn't made to create a better sport, it was made to make a more entertaining sport for the spectators. The issue with that is there's almost nothing more boring than watching one player systematically tear apart another player because they have access to real-time, computer generated statistics that only some players are realistically going to be able to utilize. Even if both players are allowed access to the data, the players isn't going to have the time or energy to interpret and extrapolate that data. The player with the coach doesn't have to worry about any of that because the coach can do that work for them.
There’s another rule that bugs me because it’s being applied inconsistently, possibly due to the same reason why coaching was hard to enforce and it’s the audible obscenity one. They mostly enforce it for English and a couple of foreign words 7 out of 10 will get away with it. When a rule can’t be applied consistently it loses its purpose. I guess if the umpire doesn’t understand it, it’s likely that the audience won’t too and that’s the main thing but still, some players are at disadvantage vs others.
So Stacey's mission is to destroy tennis
why is allowing coaching, fast 4, no ad and so forth “advancement”? Can’t someone think of something genuinely creative and not just arbitrarily different?
In the AO final, when Sinner was down 5-1 in the 2nd set, his coach clearly told him on camera (in Italian) "Now try something different". It was inspiring for me that all the coach has to say was "figure it out yourself, you can do it".
That aside, I'm against on court coaching and strongly against making live statistics available to coaches. While the coaching right now is common, isn't a deeper strategic advice but limited to basic hints. The player has still to figure out by himself how to win the match and that is an aspect of the tennis matches that I really want to preserve.
Amazing video editing. Easy to follow and flashy
Good video, very good editing as always
Players who can’t afford a coach during matches are at yet another disadvantage
sick editing. great video mate
Don’t you just love Patrick for putting Serena in jeopardy? He says he’s going to be honest about cheating and he looses nothing. Gotta love it!
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So literally until it was allowed by the four opens, the only competitive sports that banned mid match coaching was esports and tennis
I mean esports allow coaching between games, which would be similar to coaches being allowed to talk to their players up close and privately between sets.
Not all of esports bans it. There are tons of different games. In fighting games for example, I haven't heard of any ban of the sort, you even see some players consult their phone or having a buddy come to talk to them between matches (in a first to 2 or 3 matches, it means it can happen up to 4x)
@@MrTresto There was some drama at some point in the Melee community about mid match coaching but yeah it's allowed in some esports
it doesnt make it bad tho
Do you count Chess as a sport?
Please dont turn tennis into soccer or basketball. No coaching. From 6 years old to 90. In fact, take away coaching at college level competitions also. Let the coaches coach during the week. Once the match begins let the player play and work it out on their own.
Great, well made video man!
Your videos are incredible in all ways you should really upload much more
coaching during a match in any form should NOT be allowed. Sad to see an elegant game is polluted by a “business savvy” executive decision. The beauty of the game is how a gladiator fight to the championship on the court alone using his own mental and physical strength, similar to chess masters.
It’s an integral part of most other sports and doesn’t take away from the prestige at all
Based on the video you left this commented on, it was already happening before the rule changed, just out of sight/earshot or in a different language so as to not get caught. If it's already happening and not being properly enforced it makes sense for them to test out the removal of the rule to see if it's actually any better or worse.
Ok, i have a solution for the inequality problem. Tennis players can only have court coaching if the oponent has equal conditions. So if a player can't afford to bring his/her coach, the player that can afford it, cannot have a coach or any interactions with it.
That doesn't work at all, because the player that can afford a coach still pays for said coach
@@starllama2149 yes, he can still work with him. But not during the match.
it's an interesting idea but i think you'll run into the same issue as before which is that players will just come up with ways to get around the rules. like having people in their box relay information from coaches who are watching the televised match from somewhere else
how do you make these videos, transitions and where do you get all the footage for it! its amazing and I would love to learn how to do it!
any resources i can use to start learning!
congrats on such a great job
Loved the videos. Sending love from Argentina🤙🏼
Make a TH-cam channel and make the clickbait title "those are cheater" for something that is totally not cheating (maybe a break of a rule, but everybody does it) - and I'm impressed how the masses clap their hands.. As long as you talk fast and have a good editing: You are right on TH-cam.
Great video.Thank you for an amazing content you produce for us, tennis fans.This video was absolutely fantastic!🎉🎉❤❤
8:20 Classic CT couldn't get through the video without showing the top legend of the channel 😂 missed these videos
I thought Lord Tomac was at 12:07
Well long bathroom breaks were started by Nadal and Joker who used them when they were behind. You have to wonder what they were doing. Of course, Tsissy gets the ire of public while these other guys skate on by. A toilet break clock would stop this nonsense and make the matches fairer.
boofing caffeine and adrenaline pills
dark arts
@@benj10sand def boofing peds
Fed did it too and he admitted
@@arcadianluna2605 Fed used the power of No Fap. notice he slowed down when he had the twin twins?
Being coached during a match effectively turns the match into a doubles event. At least mentally and emotionally.
Still found a way to sneak Donald into your video 😂 Love your channel!
If grand slams change to 3 sets then tennis is doomed
The goat of TH-cam tennis remembers his password
I feel like telling the player to drink more water shouldn't be considered coaching. It's protecting the player's health, no different to calling the doctor on if they get hurt.
the thumbnail is the answer to the video title - the atp couldn't tell apostolos to shut up, nothing worked, and therefore now everyone can cheat, or look angrily at Goran Ivanisevic.
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Great video! Keep it up.
i've played tennis my whole life and always laughed at the idea that if someone told me "move in" or "be more aggressive" that would be the magic sauce. like, man, if i just had those few kernels of wisdom... haha. execution is 99% of tennis and no one hit shots for you or can summon the will to do something. no one ever looks down at the NFL for taking a timeout to talk about things. i'm glad the rules have changed on the matter.
I think you’re looking at it wrong
I always felt coaching helped those out of ideas and are just going through the motions
Sometimes something as small as positive encouragement or a rocket up the ass from the coach could encourage a player to snap out of his funk and get it going again
@@swisscloud4309 i think i'm actually on the same page as you. i think coaching should be there for that encouragement to execute.
"Shut the F* up." Isn't just good tennis coaching but a premium Life Pro Tip.
Well researched and fantastic production value, great video as always!
Super happy to see you're on Nebula as well! Genuinely such a great service
OMG!!! We missed you SO MUCH ❤
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Seems no different than a corner man in boxing. Let 'em coach.
If they change sets to be only 4 games I will be upsetti spaghetti. The comeback potential within a set would be absolutely ruined. Same goes for no-AD scoring, way less of a margin for a comeback within a game. The most memorable tennis moments for me are insane comebacks from deep within sets/games. Getting rid of those moments would seriously impact my enjoyment of the sport.
Thank the Lord Cult Tennis is back!!
I have no problem with mid-game coaching , but I don't find it adds anything to the show. I couldn't care less about what a coach is saying.
As for the rich getting richer, that's up to the tournaments to decide. They're the ones that distribute the money as they see fit. They could easily give the earlier round losers more money. Also, they could give each player a tablet to go over their stats during changeovers. Many sport leagues already do it. They could see where they're better or weaker than their opponent which should help even things out if they don't have a coach present.
Good point
The coaching thing literally never made sense to me.. If you want to *not* allow mid-game coaching.. BAN THE COACHES. Why they were ever allowed to 'watch' in the first place should be the only question. If you want coaches just straight out allow it like they are doing.
For some players this will be a big advantage, but having sat beside many of the top WTA coaches and listened in on their advice, it typically isn't anything enlightened. It's just providing support and encouragement, not amazing tactics.
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Thanks for this informative video.
Where have you been bro we want tennis videos more often..😉
Could you do a video on the history of the legality then illegality of meldonium usage in tennis? Maybe focusing on particular players and whether or not any key statistics (regarding for example match length, or even tactical changes where mainly defensive players shifted to become more offensive and thereby reduce average rally and match duration) changed after the substance was banned. I just find it frustrating that no one has ever looked at this. A lot of people suspect that for a fairly long period of time some top players were getting a huge stamina, and joint wear-and-tear, benefit from meldonium’s greater diffusion of oxygenated blood around the body. Other top players weren’t. It was scandalous that its use was tolerated for so long, but no one seems to talk about it.
Thanks a lot for this video.
So, it seems like we (I mean, people like who can't stand coaching during match) must have to thank miss Stacey for having been the trojan horse of this utterly stupid idea, both for the WTA and ATP tours.
I despise you miss Allastar.
I feel just as much sad as disgusted by a bunch of changes done in the last 20 years.
Most, if not all, of these changes have given an advantage only to better ranked / richest players.
From the infamous "tv change over" and hawk eye on the biggest courts; to the fact you pointed out : most players can't afford to have, most of the time, their coach by their side (not to mention their entire team).
I felt almost sick when umpires (I guess following ATP guidelines) allowed Nadal and Djokovic to take way too many time between points, reaching ad nauseam level during this highly suspicious AO 2012 final.
It's a disgrace witnessing Juan Carlos Ferrero talking to Carlos Alcaraz (no pick a coach and a player I really do like).
I've been playing tennis for over 35 years,and love this game to the bones, yet I miss more and more the era were a conversation between a player and his coach / team was mostly allowed ONCE during a match.
As much as I loved such dialogues in any Davis Cup match, I never wanted this to spread to the whole tour.
Quite the opposite : having it only during the Davis Cup competition was giving more weight to being alone most of the year, and vice versa.
allow coaching … provide coaches to players who can’t afford it..
I would like to coach Rune since I feel that he plays with an inappropriate tactic. Like another backhand specialist before him, Agassi, he should stay centered and hit strong backhands instead of running around to hit weak inside in or inside out forehands.
Instead of picking on Tsitsipas, why don't you show his "teacher" Djokovic who did it to him on the RG finals?
cope harder.
@@huzcer it's the reason why his peers never voted for him in ATP awards in his entire career. The guy's motto is 'the means justifies the ends'.
@@my8osprive OK lets look at the awards the ATP players actually vote for - "Most improved player, Comeback player & Newcomer of the year" - none of those are going to ever apply to Djokovic except when he was young when he did win them and when he came back from injury in 2018 when he won that too - he has been at the top for 15 years. the players also vote for the Stefan Edberg award FROM THE NOMINATIONS FROM THE ATP. so its the ATP who decides who you can vote for, not the players. The award players would actually WANT to be winning is PLAYER OF THE YEAR which Djokovic has won a record number of times. as for Federer and Nadal - they actually did next to nothing for the actual welfare of players on tour which Djokovic does and has done. even this October Trungelliti called this out that Fedrerer and Nadal were only happy with their own selfish position and not worried about the welfare of other players - "The Argentine took aim at Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, while praising Novak Djokovic when speaking on the topic, “I think it is indispensable. People may not like it, but Federer and Nadal never said anything. Whether you like it or not, they are complicit in how bad the system is, because they were not able to open their mouths even once and fight for the rights of the players.
“If they ever did it it was internally, but it didn’t change anything. Only this year the Challengers’ prizes were changed a little, but they are still embarrassing when we supposedly came out of the most golden era in the history of tennis.”
@@huzcer lol how can a guy be nominated for a Stefan Edberg award when he breaks rackets, disrespects the crowd, disrespects the umpires, retires matches when he sees he's losing (or even when frustrated because he lost the singles Olympic leaving his doubles partner dreaming about the possible pinnacle in her career), takes extensive toilet breaks, etc etc?
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@@my8osprive ah it's hilarious. most people don't even know what a Stefan Edberg award even is and even less care about it. people know very well who has won the most though. the butt-hurt Fedal copers pretend to care about broken rackets when it's only because Djokovic has broken all the actual tennis records so they have nothing to talk about there. what is even more funny for the average Fedal hypocrite is that it was Federer who showed Djokovic exactly how it was done th-cam.com/video/vyTH-mDcuMQ/w-d-xo.html
12:07 Lord Tomac looking like an old man
i totally thought you were going to talk about time between points haha
if they’re doing it anyway. It doesn’t make sense to inconsistently apply a hard to enforce rule
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As always, well researched, well thought out and worth waiting for your videos. 👌🏻
Coaching not being allowed was painfully dumb. In every sport it happens, and hell, even in Davis Cup it happened.
I love the idea of giving playes access to the game data on tablets during game but I think it would really seperate the greats from the ones buying their way up the ladder if there is no coach involved when looking at the game data, just the player and their brain.
Just ban the coaches only until after the match. Or only once between sets. It's not that complicated
I don't watch tennis or play it. but to me it seems like the main flaw are the lower ranked players being unable to travel with coaches. I'd perfer to see a system where if one player doesn't play with (IE you can choose even if the coach is on site) a coach the other one can't either. (i'm thinking of mid match coaching because that just seems the most natural and least weird).
This type of system could make the games more interesting from an strategic point of view, as if one player is very reliant on his coach. simply choosing to not have that coach would put a more interesting spin on things.
how to enforce no coaching? well i don't know tennis much but worst case scenario just put them in the basement or something, or a 1 way mirror
I often give myself the "Isner talk."
TV match camera zoomed in on Isner in the break. He's sitting there and you can clearly spread his lips saying "MOVE your FEET!"
Great professional advice!
Off court coaching is a complete joke. Hugely detracts from should should be a 1v1 sport.
Ever watched boxing or UFC? Teams are constantly coaching and nobody thinks it's wrong lol
@@rafagoat575
I mean, it probably should be banned there too. But it's a tough conversation all around
Khabib's team telling Khabib to "smesh him" ain't the same! 😂 Tennis players are more prone to mental collapse under pressure. On court coaching takes that drama away. Watching Halep self-combust for example is entertaining @@rafagoat575
But it's never 1 v 1. it takes a team, not just 1 guy
It's absolute nonsense that this rule cannot be enforced. Just keep the coach far enough away from the athlete. In climbing, the coach is not allowed to share beta with the athlete, that is, they are not allowed to share details on how to do a climb with the athlete. And it indeed never happens, because they are not allowed near the athlete. Very simple
absolutely love the dropping Bernie Tomic's face into this video. that is beautiful work. made my f**king evening that
I’m all for coaching outside of tournaments because your not playing your opponent. But I’m not a fan of coaching during a match as I see this as cheating
If it's allowed in the rules then it's not cheating. It is just a rule you don't like. It matters because it's very misleading to those who aren't following the sport to say that every pro tennis player is a cheat.
look, regardless of who you have giving you advice, in tennis it`s gonna very rarely make some big difference. I mean, do you honestly believe that Rublev (or a player of that calibre) is gonna win a match he was going to lose because his coach told him to "hit deeper" or "play more defensive". Coaches in tennis could have more of a role helping players mentally to calm them down and increase their focus during big matches and moments rather than giving them actual strategic advice on how to play and what to do. Having said that, I think the rules need to be clear and need to be enforced because situation right now is completely unfair. Tsitsipas for example gets a ton of hate because of the supposed coaching he receives from his box, while on the other hand somebody like Alcaraz can have full on conversations with his coach (like you showed in the video) during the match and nobody cares because Alcaraz is the designated golden boy and the new tennis superstar. It`s just not fair, either everybody can do it or nobody can, right now it seems like some selected few are getting a free pass while others are getting all the punishment
20 seconds is brief
@@imalwaysright completely missed the point of what I was saying
coaching takes away some credit for the player, so even if alcaraz wins 30GS, he wont be better than Fed, Nadal or Novak, one of the reasons they are great is because they have the ability to make adjustments during the match all by themself
"yes I communicate with Borris but you can't call it cheating" Novax, admitting to cheating.
Nadal/Djoker had plenty of in-match coaching, you realize.
If you're gonna copy-paste the same comment, at least learn to spell the copypasta properly...
@@Damian_1989 *going to
They went to the toilet instead lol
and i was hoping for a serve clock video lol
that is by far the biggest form of cheating that happens imo
Kind of unrelated but this is exactly why calculators were unbanned in Minecraft speedruns
I don’t see a problem with coaching, in boxing it happens, especially in between rounds, you have to appreciate the person who’s playing a game of tennis has to have the experience and talent in order to put any suggestion into practice. If a top 10 ranked tennis player played against an opponent who was let’s say ranked outside the top 100, but was allowed coaching throughout the match, but their top ranked opponent was not, would that effect the outcome? I very much doubt it, very occasionally top players do get beaten by much lower ranked players, but it’s quite rare. What I believe has the biggest influence on how successful a player will become is money, a player with rich parents can afford the best coaches dieticians and fitness and strength trainers, all these factors assist a player to become the best they can be, but of cause they must have the talent perseverance and focus to achieve the top level.
Good lord please don't change the scoring and set play. I would hate to quit watching a sport I love so dearly.
Lets remember something worse than coaching: even Federer asked his mother to not go to the matches because of her loud way to root or him and complain.
I am so relieved that this rule was ditched so we can concentrate in tennis at last.
In bridge championships the illegal communication was blocked by using a curtain between pairs of players, if ATP and WTA didn't really wanted coaching it was just put the coaches inside a booth).
And sorry but sport is made of inequality: nobody goes to see the 300th rank player (except their relatives and compatriots in case there are few players in the country): they go to see Djokovic. Those top tier players are what pay the bills of tennis. And sometimes we see surprises coming from nowhere, each time more newcomers shining. So let's cut the inequality bullshit: what do we want? All matches end on a tie like tic-tac-toe? This is why tic-tac-toe is boring because anyone can master it. That is why we have sponsors, everybody want to be the sponsor of the next Nadal.
The change of rules that I didn't like was the 30 seconds time for serving it was a ritual that created a beautiful tension ... now we have a lot of serving time violations that take time too.
What's the background music that's starts at 13:30?
I think it was mid match coaching that caused the inconcistency at the wta for the next decade and a half, when it was introduced many players had great results at the wta tour but did horrible at slams, like safina, radwanska, halep before 2018, and for me that is the reason what we saw for so many years almost all the top 10 falling in the first week of slams, and many unseeded players reaching highg instances at grand slams, because the coaching was forbiden at majors. Now that coaching is allowed in all the tours and grand slams, WTA has seen a little bit more concistency that past year.
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This is kinda silly to me. Coaching mid-match should just be banned
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Why the hell was it banned in the first place? Let the best player win, not that the winner is the player who forgets their strategy the least and "receives no help" from coaches
*Every other sport allows for coaching and it unequivocally enhances the quality of the game. There is absolutely zero reason to not do so.*
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I think the simple answer is to give the players the Ipad with the hawkeye data. During breaks they can see what's working (or Not) and make decisions from there. They can even leave reminders to themselves.