don't worry about defining need. years ago, I convinced my wife to get her first gun. she chose the Beretta cx4. I had just finished building a 9mm pcc and ammo was 16 cents/rnd. we would drop the kids off at school and head out to the range for hours of fun, spending a whole lot less than a night out. both guns were more than capable of hitting beer cans at a hundred yards. those days are some of my favorite memories still.
An excellent choice, you wife is clearly wise. CX4 gets the blessing of Paul Harrell for performance, and the Marines on board Battlestar Galactica for proper sci-fi appearance. I fully intend to have one someday.
Love my CX4. Although I am a little pissed that the middle screw on the top pic rail spins freely, while the washer on the underside is not flush but diagnal. Bought it brand new about 2 years ago and that's how it was out of the box.
I was issued a S&W M&P .40 full sized pistol as a duty weapon, as a police officer. I retired in 2013 and my department gifted it to me. Last year I purchased a Kel-Tec Sub2K in .40 caliber, which accepts S&W M&P .40 mags. Y'all can look down your nose all you want at my choice of rifle. This combo serves ME quite well. The .40 caliber is nothing to sneeze at. With a red dot on the S2K, I can bang steel at 50-75-100 yards. This combo is versatile, capable, and is affordable. I've added an Olight weapon light to the S&W M&P and a few aftermarket upgrades to the S2K. To me, it fits my idea of a prepper/survival set up just fine.
I like pistol caliber rifles. I own one in .38/.357, and .45 colt. I don’t have to stock up on too many different types of ammunition. I also been hand loading for a long time. Pistol ammunition is much easier to load. It costs a fraction of the price to load your own. Hickock mentioned the advantages in velocity. That’s my 2 cents worth.
@ absolutely. I wouldn’t go big game hunting without a good rifle round. I have a few rifles in various rifle calibers. Like any good toolbox, you should have the tools you need for the job.
For me it goes back to the old west. 2 guns. One ammo. I only have this reality in my Ruger SA and my Winchester 94 in 22 mag. But I would love to have the same in .357. Ruger used to make the Convertible SA Blackhawk in 38/357/ and 9mm with the other cyl. And a lever in 38/357 with that is a lot of versatility of ammo. If things ever got very scarce.
@ there’s a few rifle manufacturers making them in various pistol calibers. It’s becoming popular. I think they make a rifle in 9mm now. I personally am not interested in that one but if 9mm is all you have for a pistol, then it’s worth it. 9mm ammunition is pretty inexpensive. .45 colt ammo is ridiculously expensive unless you load your own.
You say that like humanities greatest invention wasn't the written word or something... Aka your human odfcorse people decide what is best if they didn't Human ciliztion wouldn't exsit...
I think its the perfect home defense piece for city/suburban life. If I do have to use it I dont want my rounds going through my neighbors walls. Less recoil, higher agility in CQB. 50-90 grain+p 9mmHP reach 2300-2550 fps. More than enough power to get the job done.
EVERYONE LOVES the new 10MM Ruger LC Carbine. Takes Glock mags, 30 plus 1, Foldable stock, Extendable length of pull stock, ambi controls, popup sites, made in America, threaded barrel for suppressor, etc etc etc. Perfect companion for your Glock 20. Best overall PCC! :)
Your argument would hold water years ago when ammo was cheap, but with ammo prices where they are right now, it’s just nice to have the feel of a rifle with the cheaper ammo. I purchased the Smith & Wesson FPC and have not regretted it!
@@DeadeyeLefty exactly, I love my ruger PC9 Charger, 6 27 round mags, Glock 19, 6 15 round mags. I am good carrying this combo, especially in an urban environment.
There is as much need to own a pistol as there is to own a PCC. Its personal preference and in some cases, PCCs have an advantage. In this case, "Need" is subjective in my opinion.
Pistol cartridge carbine is more accurate for me than a pistol at distance. I already stock .22, 9 mm and .45 cal. ammo and I don't want to have to stock another caliber as it gets expensive. I only need to carry 9 mm ammo for both my rifle and pistol. It makes my life simpler, and that's a good thing.
Paul Harrel PROVED that 357 Mag out of a lever gun is close to 556 power you will not get the same range as 556. 9mm out of the longer barrel gets you 200-300 FPS more and THAT MATTERS accurate out to 100+ yards
I have a carbine in .454, shoots .45 colt too. Extremely handy and powerful, can buy rounds that compares to .45-70 standard velocity. Put in cowboy loads, and you have a great low powered gun. Yes, it has a place in my collection.
@@dashcammer4322 of course not, those projectiles are inherently different machines with different behavior. OP's point was simply that energy on target is comparable, meaning there is overlap between what you can accomplish with a 5.56 carbine and a 357mag carbine.
I bought a Hi-point 4595ts and love the accuracy with the included red dot optic. +P recoil is fine. The bullpup conversion is great and even more stable PCC platform!
Agreed - picked up one earlier this year - so much fun to shoot. For me, it's a perfect truck gun - folds up nicely & I only need to pack extra ammo in one caliber for both the FPC & my EDC pistol.
I am going to get one soon. I love the concept and the feel of them. I EDC a Glock 43X MOS and would love them to take a Glock mag but even without it, having 63 rounds on it, plus my two Glock mags is enough to be able to switch rounds if ever necessary. Plus having a few hundred rounds of 9mm is easy to keep handy. I live in FL so even if I need to use it for survival, it will easily kill the small deer we have here as well as the hogs and bears (although, the bears easily reach over 350 pounds so I would only attempt a head shot with the 9mm. Although it will do it, the tracking could be a nightmare). I also have a 10.5" AR and a CMMG .22 bolt and mags that are handy if I ever had to get out farther. Having a backpack with some safety items, survival items, the shorty AR pistol, .22 bolt/mags, a thousand rounds of .22 and a couple of hundred rounds of 5.56 is easy to throw around too. Between the FPC, handgun, and AR (+.22 bolt), I am set for anything I can see as a problem. Glad to hear you three all like your FPC and that gives me more of an incentive to go grab mine. Maybe a Christmas present to me from Santa (at least if the tag says it's from Santa, the wife can't get mad). LOL!
Have an fpc that i really enjoy, carry 2 extra mags in the stock, accurate and compact. Right now also until end of month, s&w is also giving a free Vortex with purchase.
53 years ago I carried an issued 45acp 1911. In my occupation in the Army at that time, my chances of getting shot down was extremely high, I was an Cavalry Aeroscout up on the DMZ. My experience on my first tour, having a car 15 and a 45 was fine except for the fact that when going down, you have two different weapons and very limited ammo for them both that one could carry. I was presented with a chance to get a brand new WWII M3 grease gun in 45 acp. I turned in my issued car15 and just had my grease gun and my 1911 for E&E when needed. I have followed my doctrine of for every pistol caliber I own,(which isn't many) I want a rifle/carbine chambered in the same caliber. Do I need that? Maybe not, but what worked for me in war should also work for me in case of the SHTF. Too me it makes sense, to others, well, you are on your own to contemplate your needs if and when the SHTF for real. MERRY XMAS
Indeed, the word "need" would rarely apply to a pistol round carbine, however there is certainly a "place" for them. For example, taking a Henry .38/.357 lever action along with a .38/.357 revolver to your favorite shooting spot can provide hours of fun, hunting/self-defense/target practice, or training, all with the same box of ammo. For those who are recoil or blast sensitive, a .38+P from a carbine is nearly as painless as a .22 rimfire, yet provides adequate self-defense and ideal training for young or inexperienced shooters. For the reloader, .38 or .357 can be 1/2 the cost (or less) of factory ammo. 9mm purchased in bulk can be had for 20-cents/round, cheaper than you can reload it for. Using the same tested quality ammo for both rifle and sidearm, also adds an element of reliability.
I like the discussion. I'm nearly 70 Years old that grew up on farm and ranches in Southwest Idaho, Southeast Oregon and Western Montana. From the time I was in my late teens along with many friends and family carried .44 Mag. Or .357 Mag pistols and lever action rifles in the pickup either in the rack or laid across the top of the dashboard. A lot of the reasoning had to do with space and time of year. A pistol belt full of.44's loaded revolver and full lever action carbine helped thin the coyote population. This combination was also good for deer and elk at reasonable ranges. So the rifle rack in the back window of the 1975 Chevy 4 wheel drive pickup had room for the shotgun and fishing pole or maybe the long range rifle along with the carbine. These days we now have to worry about theft or California city folks complaining about someone carrying an "Arsenal". I wonder if America will ever get back to normal.
In a shtf scenario, in an urban environment where you have to grab and go, having a pistol that you can hit out to 25m is good. Having a rifle that will hit out to 100-150m and uses the same ammo and magazines, simplifies things in a high stress environment. Scavenging, the pistol round will be more commo (imho). In a rural or even some suburban environment where your threat is out past 100-150m I'd definitely want a more appropriate rifle but when things get crazy, simple is a plus.
Thats exactly why i built mine i have over 1k rounds of 9mm but i only have about 300 of 5.56 due to the cost. I think the pcc is more than capable of protecting me and my family if i want to bunker down in my house
Nobody probably remembers, but Ruger made the .44 Mag Deer Stalker from the late 50s into the 80s. A PCC before its time. It looked like a big 10/22. I've dropped tons of deer and a few elk with mine. Fast as greased lightning and a great brush gun for under 150 yards.
How fitting this video is for me. Just 5 days ago I finished my own PCC build (AR9). The benefit of being able to shoot 20cpr bulk 9mm ammo instead of 50cpr 223/5.56 out of the AR platform is fantastic, and being able to use the Glock mags I've already gathered over the years is another added benefit. Well I don't find the recoil to be any better with my standard 6.9oz PCC buffer (if I was using a 8oz or 10oz heavy PCC buffer it would probably be much lighter), due to it being a blowback design, in comparison to my standard ARs, that still means it's a light shooting rifle. Shooting sports was a huge reason for my decision to build one. My local Multi/3-gun matches have specifically approved PCCs as an alternative to standard intermediate and full-power cartridge guns for rifles. Prepping for a match always means I'm burning through more than the standard amount of ammo I'm expected to bring to the match if I don't want to embarrass myself. Now I can practice and compete for much cheaper. There's also a specific class for PCCs in SCSA that I'm excited to try.
Simple answer.. Pistol rounds are generally much cheaper than rifle rounds. And with the longer barrel, you get more velocity than with a pistol. You can also carry more mags on your person than you can with rifle mags
Plus, and this doesn't get mentioned enough, the blast and noise of a short rifle is SO MUCH WORSE than a PCC inside a building, like it is not even close.
I built my 1st 9MM PCC and it is very fun! Additionally, I can shoot it at an indoor range. Many ranges do not allow rifle rounds in their range! KEEP ON ROCKING!
So I understand the idea of your handgun sharing the same ammo as your rifle. You're carrying ammo for both guns. That's pretty cool. Now, if I'm using my handgun to get to my long gun, my long gun is going to be significantly more capable than my handgun. But, being able to practice rifle fun with the price of handgun ammo, that's really cool and money saving which I'm down for all day. Happy shooting guys and gals, be safe, protect yourself and others, and God bless.
I think PCCs make perfect sense when you own both sizes, because it makes stocking ammo easier. A 9mm might not gain much power out of a 16" barrel, but both the 357 and 5.7 get a nice power boost out of a long barrel. Those are the two I picked to get both sizes. For the 5.7, the Ruger LC can even use the PSA Rock magazines, so you can just stock one kind of 23-round mag and load in both.
Own a few. Ruger PC40, KelTec Sub2000 40cal, Rossi lever action .357 and .44. Each is accompanied by a host of handguns in same calibers. In my opinion, it makes infinitely good sense to pick a pair whenever you’re going on the road along with sufficient feed stock. Pretty able to deal with any foreseeable contingency.
A long time ago, before the latest gun ban in Canada, I had a Tavor X95 with conversion kits for both 9mm and 5.56. The 9mm allowed for cheaper shooting, which allowed me to get more range days in for the same cost, and using the same rifle with the same manual of arms. The 9mm version was also more fun for new shooters, as the lower recoil and blast was less intimidating, and allowed them to hit the target more accurately and quickly. There are a number of people out there who would not have gotten into guns if it weren't for the good first impression that they got, which was helped greatly by the availability of a 9mm Carbine. I consider 9mm carbines to be a decent halfway point between .22 LR and .223. They feel so much more substantial than .22LR, but even new shooters can still make rapid hits and feel like they don't suck. And they are just plain fun!
@@lokoteconunoshuevotes4685 They were going for confiscation through a mandatory buy-back. However, everyone's AR-15 is still sitting in their gun safe, nothing has been taken yet, and the buy-back is still non-existent. It looks like our liberal government will fall within the next few months, and the chances of them ever getting this off the ground is extremely low. Polling is indicating a strong conservative majority when we do FINALLY have an election, and they have said that they will un-do the liberal gun bans. Time will tell, but I do expect them to at least un-do the bans from 2020 and 2024, as they were done through an Order in Council (OIC), which is similar to your Executive Order in the USA. The liberals have really kind of tied the conservatives' hands on this, as to follow through with the buy-back would be ridiculously expensive and goes against the conservative's voter base. The liberals also banned a large number of non-restricted rifles, such as the Tavor, Mini-14, Bren 2, ACR, M1A and many others. The government has no idea where these unregistered rifles are, or even how many are in the country.
How was that Tavor Soundwise in 223? Something I never hesr people talk about is hearing protection and self defence firearms. Like would you stash a pair of hunting headphones with your gun so you can still hear what's going on? Or just pick a quieter gun, maybe subsonic since no suppressors in Canada
Except it all ends up being a wash if you are a real shooter. I don't know what kind of $2-$3 rounds you are talking about. Unless you are running high quality match grade factory ammo out of an AR 10 and want a 9mm AR for training purposes. All I know is that when I run match grade ammo out of my 308 bolt action, it takes me significantly longer to go through ammo than it would for the same cost as shooting one of my 9mm guns.
@@Catgat37 A real shooter as opposed to a fake shooter? Is my 8 year old nephew, who has only experienced a 10/22, but loves it, a real shooter, or is he a fake shooter?
Im surprised to hear so many people say they dont like PCC online. In my circles everyone i know has one and says they are fun. Anyone that dosent have one always tells me they want one. Never had anyone in person say anything negative about them.
A law enforcement officer that carries a Glock 9mm pistol can switch up to the PCC with the higher capacity Glock mag. This concept would give the officer the 100 yard increase with same caliber. Over penetration of the 5.56 or .308 round is a safety issue in an emergency situation. The PCC is also a lot cheaper for an officer to purchase if their agency doesn't provide long gun to every patrolman. Better to have it and not need it, than need and NOT have it
I know a guy with an extensive collection, hundreds and hundreds of the best rifles you can imagine. He was showing off all his best guns and at the end of the tour he turns around near the door where we entered points at a Ruger PC9 and says, but this is my favorite to shoot!
As always, your videos and comments are really enjoyable and informative. I have a couple of carbines and sbrs handy that I take to the range when shooting pistols and really enjoy them. Also, keep one sbr handy in 5.5¨with 33 mag in the house for protection.
My PCC is a Winchester 94 in .44 Magnum 🤠 I used to have a Marlin Camp Gun in 9MM which I now regret selling, although it seemed like a good idea at the time. You are right - they are a lot of fun!
Pistol caliber carbines were originally made to provide a semi auto version of a SMG. The semi auto UZI and HK 94 were early examples. I like them for home defense. A home owner can confront the threat with a pistol caliber long gun without having to worry about hearing loss, and easy follow up shots if needed. They are easy for smaller folks to use.
Like having a modern day 1873, Colt pair when I’ve got my Hi Point 45 carbine and a 1911. I’m reliably fast and accurate with the carbine. For me anyway. Thank you again for all the excellent content.
Home defense, every country in WWII developed a PCC as fast as they could for clearing buildings. If you want a rifle for speed and accuracy but don't want the flash, recoil and bang then a PCC makes sense for getting the most rounds on target in the shortest time.
I inherited a whole lot of .40 Major ammunition from my son who shot IPSC. I'm 73 but not nearly as expert or healthy as you. I assembled the appropriate pieces and have a fun to shoot, easy to be accurate, high capacity, Glock mag'd, ADA compliant🙄, stocked ammunition, thudder.
You are such a good guy to pull a prank !!! You really had me going in the beginning, I was saying out loud , what about the Cowboys , keeping same ammunition is what I like I can even use my Glock 19 mags , so I look at it as a system !!! Have the others needed also !!! But you are a funny SOB !!!!! 😂🤣😂
I previously relied on handgun and shotgun for home defense uses. Recently added a PCC. For me, the overarching concern in an emotion and adrenaline fueled home defense situation is collateral damage , or unintended results. I live in an urban environment, so rounds missing intended target and landing elsewhere is a major concern to me. I think getting rounds on target in a stressful moment would be more likely with a PCC than a handgun, and practical range equals/exceeds shotgun performance.
Handguns for home defense are not necessarily the best idea. It requires a lot more training to become proficient with a handgun than pretty much any other platform. In this respect, a pcc is the better choice for home defense. Ideally, a very short one...with a pistol brace. That way the ballistics of 9mm will not be overpenetrating, and the gun will be far more maneuverable to clear corners, open doors etc. A shotgun is also not the greatest home defense option, as they are relatively long. Clearing house is not nearly as easy with a longer barrel. Shotguns are unwieldy for the average individual as well. I never understood why Handguns and Shotguns always get so much praise as home defense options. As someone who has extensive firearms training, this is what I choose. But I am by no means going to recommend them to a random individual for home defense.
I still say every LE officer should have a light, small shoulder attachment for their Glocks. Just a short wire bent metal quick attaching "stock" would turn any pistol into a rifle. And of course the difference in accuracy would be incredible. The main reason officers grab rifles is when they simply cannot hold on a target past pistol ranges, especially with the massive adrenaline kick in fight mode. Easy to make one so light it could be worn with other gear at all times. In the civilian world power is not that important- accuracy ALWAYS IS!
That doesnt turn a ‘pistol into a rifle’ Its still a pistol with pistol cartridge, ballistics and effectiveness or lack there of. Perhaps it can be more accurate past 25 yards but in no way is it a Rifle.
Back in the 1870s it was common for people traveling the west on horseback to have a lever action carbine and a pistol in the same caliber. That made the logistics of ammunition supply a little easier. Fast forward to today and my carbine takes the same magazines and ammo as my Glock 20. Same concept, just adapted to some newer old technology. Now that I have watched further . . . Hickok got around to the same point!
There is a niche place for the PCC (other than the matches). In a city or urban sense environment, you don't want to use a caliber like the .223 that can bounce, overpenetrate, etc. It ends up where you don't want it to go. The buttstock gives you more accuracy control and the longer barrel gives you an extra 200 fps than a regular handgun.
I travel across the U.S. a lot. I always carry a Glock 19 or a Glock 26, so I thought it would make sense to bring along a takedown carbine that accepts Glock magazines that could be kept in a nondescript case, for when I take it into the hotel for the night. The Ruger PC Carbine with Magpul stock and red dot sight filled the bill.
Hey buddy! Hope all is well. The reason is cost. Bullets in CA are expensive. We have those added taxes. So using 9mm to learn is a great cost savings. I know we're in different situations, so just sharing our challenges. Happy Holidays! 💥👊🏻🇺🇸💥
You never explained why the real cowboys liked a rifle that shot the same cartridge as their pistol. Also, shooting that 9mm is far more cheaper than other pistol calibers. Not sure if they still make it, but Marlin made a lever action 44 magnum.
If you have to carry a limited amount of ammo and weight, having a common caliber is a logistical advantage. If you're planning for a SHTF scenario, that can also be a factor. Many of the PCCs also fold up to be more compact than a dedicated rifle.
@null6634 I already knew that. Asking 45 why he didn't explain. Looks like you did it for him. Better to have cartridge belt/belts with same ammo of course.
@@gyrospinup His style is more conversational. Sometimes things get brought up, but not followed through with. It happens. It is a casual YT video, not a PHD dissertation. But you knew that. So I suppose you're just picking nits.
Well, my Ruger LC Carbine uses the same magazines as my G21/30. I like being able to load a SGM magazine in either platform 🎉 plus my indoor range doesn't mind PCCs Its all about enjoyment or personal protection. John... digging the Los Pollos Hermanos shirt - Walter White approved 😂😂😂
Man they are just so fun and soft to shoot. I mean if you want something fast and deadly accurate within 50 yards (capable of further), it’s a great weapon. Also, it allows you to use the same ammo that you shoot in your CCW. Same reason for lever action rifles chambered in .357, 44 mag, .45 long colt, etc. very popular in the old West.
I have one in 9x19. It should be called a POS, not a PCC. It doesn't run using Ruger or Glock Mags. I think I got a lemon, or the feed ramp is goofed up, or something. I was so excited to get it but nothing but disappointed with the purchase.
Personally I think PCCs get a bad wrap - the only thing that doesn't make sense to me about them is the price. PCCs in the US now a' days make a ton of sense in the "sub"/"SMG" configuration. Think about it in terms of home defense - especially if you live in an urban area. Smaller, light-weight, and short barreled - makes it easier to grab at the bed side and maneuver around objects and walls. 9mm means less risk of over penetration (especially with dry wall) than 5.56 or other rifle calibers and is quieter (especially when suppressed) making it less likely to hurt family members or their hearing. More accurate than a pistol configuration especially when nervous and groggy since it can be braced against the shoulder or forearm to steady it. There are lots of advantages to a PCC like MP5 clones, Stribog, JP-5, etc. in a home-defense scenario. And if that doesn't do it for you the simple fact they they're easy and fun to shoot can top it off for you.
There are some really good reasons, number one the ammo is cheaper, and some people can't afford standard cartridge carbine ammo. Also, not everyone can fire a pistol accurately, and they need something with a stock, that they can hold like a rifle for stability and accuracy.
I have a 9mm PCC and I like the fact I can carry a handgun and rifle with the same cheap ammo. 5.56 has come down but during Covid it was near 1.00 a round.
A lot of people shoot 9mm carbines in IPSC because it's fun and affordable. Sure you could shoot IPSC rifle, but it's way more expensive and there's not too many matches here in Europe. PCC matches can be held at basically any range, sometimes pistol and PCC matches are shot using the same stages. It's just a very convenient way to get some dynamic training with a rifle.
The best subgun of WWII was the Russian PPS 43; in 7.62x25 Tokarev, matching the ammo in their pistol. While a subgun is not EXACTLY a rifle, it's a long-ish gun that benefits from having a pistol as a backup. Lots of other military subguns we could include as proof of concept.
We depend on our Pistols for SD most of the time. Many do the same at night for HD for countless reasons. Shotguns and Rifles are excellent choices , but , I may want less Flash , less concussion in my bedroom and at short distance than I would get with those. If I am more accurate with a carbine and still have my pistol as a backup , then maybe that is a good choice for me and my personal needs. Just a thought.
I'll say this: Firearms manufacturers are constantly designing, producing, promoting, and selling something new all the time. They're in the business to make money, I get it. If someone wants a 9mm AR style carbine, fine. Same for a reproduction of an 1873 Winchester in 44-40 or later cartridges not used in the 19th century. It's up to the individual, and far for me to tell another what to use.
One additional benefit of making these as a “pistol-braced” PCC rather than a normal rifle is that in a lot of states, the anti-poaching laws prevent you from carrying a loaded rifle on your person or in a vehicle. A restriction that a stabilized PCC doesn’t have.
Sub2K in .40 loaded hot. Goes in a back pack in the trunk, on the train, in the hotel room, wherver... there's just something comforting about having a "rifle" if you need it. The world has become a crazy place. I like having the rifle at a moment's notice.
PCCs have their place. I have a keltec sub 2000. It uses the same mags as my Glock 19. It extends my affective range out past my pistol and is pretty concealable. Wouldn't know why anyone wouldn't want that versatility.
Thesis: PCC. Antithesis: pistol. Synthesis: PDW. In my opinion, PCCs and PDWs with hollow-points are ideal for self-defense in areas where over-penetration is a concern. I think the PDW is the ultimate urban or suburban truck gun.
Definitely not a waste by any means. They are definitely more affordable than the ar-15 he compared it to. Also, it's convenient for some to carry a 9mm pistol and then be able to use the same round at home if needed for defense in a carbine. Some people may also not be as accurate with pistol and want the stock to help stability while not havong to pay more for younrs like 556 compared to 9mm target rounds. Aside for all the reasons, they are fun to shoot.
I live on wooded property, the favorite deer cartridges in this area have always been 30/30 or 35 Remington. My H&K USC .45 is perfect for home and property defense. 180 grain handloads at 1400 fps. I want serious knock down power without .308 or .556 potential over travel. This rifle and round fills the bill perfectly, light, accurate, handles like a dream. The Winchester 94 and 92 trapper models still get used frequently.
I keep bugging Henry Rifles to make a .357 Magnum pump-action carbine. No luck so far. It would be great for home defense and short-range whitetail hunting.
The pistol caliber carbine is a worthy asset for any arsenal. 9mm is the most prolific cartridge in the world. Nice to have a good option if you don't want to use rifle rounds. The 25 round stick mags are nice too.
Yes. I've always thought it was stupid. However, if suppressors were widely available to everyone I could change my mind -- subsonic pistol ammo is more readily available than subsonic rifle ammo (plus, subsonic rifle ammo loses much of its rifle "character" when it's slowed down to pistol velocities).
As an international viewer we build houses out of bricks and I've seen a 9mm pass through one side of a concrete foundation block. From what I've seen Americans build houses out of wood and trying to fire a 556 round inside is nuts
ive always found them a bit weird concept wise but i can see them having a place cause a lot of pistol caliber carbines are very light and some even super compact with the ability to fold and stuff so you can carry them with you easy in a bag or in a vehicle, i'd personally say in terms of range its a better than nothing deal, id still prefer a rifle caliber like 5.56 or 308 over pistol calibers personally.
don't worry about defining need. years ago, I convinced my wife to get her first gun. she chose the Beretta cx4. I had just finished building a 9mm pcc and ammo was 16 cents/rnd. we would drop the kids off at school and head out to the range for hours of fun, spending a whole lot less than a night out. both guns were more than capable of hitting beer cans at a hundred yards. those days are some of my favorite memories still.
CX4 is fun! I have the .45 version
An excellent choice, you wife is clearly wise. CX4 gets the blessing of Paul Harrell for performance, and the Marines on board Battlestar Galactica for proper sci-fi appearance. I fully intend to have one someday.
Owned my CX4 for 18 years in .40, own a Scorpion that I love , and my favorite carbine PS90.
Love my CX4. Although I am a little pissed that the middle screw on the top pic rail spins freely, while the washer on the underside is not flush but diagnal. Bought it brand new about 2 years ago and that's how it was out of the box.
Dropping your kids at school for someone else to raise while you have fun is neglegent abuse. Change my mind
I was issued a S&W M&P .40 full sized pistol as a duty weapon, as a police officer. I retired in 2013 and my department gifted it to me. Last year I purchased a Kel-Tec Sub2K in .40 caliber, which accepts S&W M&P .40 mags. Y'all can look down your nose all you want at my choice of rifle. This combo serves ME quite well. The .40 caliber is nothing to sneeze at. With a red dot on the S2K, I can bang steel at 50-75-100 yards. This combo is versatile, capable, and is affordable. I've added an Olight weapon light to the S&W M&P and a few aftermarket upgrades to the S2K. To me, it fits my idea of a prepper/survival set up just fine.
I like pistol caliber rifles. I own one in .38/.357, and .45 colt. I don’t have to stock up on too many different types of ammunition. I also been hand loading for a long time. Pistol ammunition is much easier to load. It costs a fraction of the price to load your own. Hickock mentioned the advantages in velocity. That’s my 2 cents worth.
Yup. 5-25grains per round stretches a pound of powder alot farther than rifle rounds using 25-200grains per round...
@ absolutely. I wouldn’t go big game hunting without a good rifle round. I have a few rifles in various rifle calibers. Like any good toolbox, you should have the tools you need for the job.
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For me it goes back to the old west. 2 guns. One ammo. I only have this reality in my Ruger SA and my Winchester 94 in 22 mag.
But I would love to have the same in .357. Ruger used to make the Convertible SA Blackhawk in 38/357/ and 9mm with the other cyl. And a lever in 38/357 with that is a lot of versatility of ammo. If things ever got very scarce.
@ there’s a few rifle manufacturers making them in various pistol calibers. It’s becoming popular. I think they make a rifle in 9mm now. I personally am not interested in that one but if 9mm is all you have for a pistol, then it’s worth it. 9mm ammunition is pretty inexpensive. .45 colt ammo is ridiculously expensive unless you load your own.
BECAUSE THEY ARE FUN AND IT IS MY MONEY TO SPEND..
100% right. If I want it then I buy it. Other’s opinions don’t matter!!
How dare you spend money on what YOU want. Shouldn’t you be letting others tell you what to buy?!!!! Why you little…… 😂
Its my money now
Which is fine. I don't have a problem with how you spend your money.
I just despise the "You've Gotta Have One" videos.
@ yeah I don’t listen to those yahoos anyway. I buy what I want not what someone says I should have.
If someone else decides what you need youll be hungry and cold in no time.
welcome to Canada..😡🤬
@@dashcammer4322 Does he tell you that though?
@@dashcammer4322 You completely missed the point and the message of the video.
You say that like humanities greatest invention wasn't the written word or something... Aka your human odfcorse people decide what is best if they didn't Human ciliztion wouldn't exsit...
@@dashcammer4322 The algorithm brought me here.
Is there a need? Not really.
Is there a want? Absolutely.
I think its the perfect home defense piece for city/suburban life. If I do have to use it I dont want my rounds going through my neighbors walls. Less recoil, higher agility in CQB. 50-90 grain+p 9mmHP reach 2300-2550 fps. More than enough power to get the job done.
@@NatDee-yj6nvMy S&W FPC is the last PCC I'll probably ever need to buy.
EVERYONE LOVES the new 10MM Ruger LC Carbine. Takes Glock mags, 30 plus 1, Foldable stock, Extendable length of pull stock, ambi controls, popup sites, made in America, threaded barrel for suppressor, etc etc etc. Perfect companion for your Glock 20. Best overall PCC! :)
KJS Going to get one
Your argument would hold water years ago when ammo was cheap, but with ammo prices where they are right now, it’s just nice to have the feel of a rifle with the cheaper ammo. I purchased the Smith & Wesson FPC and have not regretted it!
Straight walled pistol ammo is easier and cheaper to reload than rifle ammo. So it might be better in shtf situations.
I love that my pistol and rifle use the same round I don't have to Carry different rounds in my ammo bag.
❤❤ Merry Christmas ❤
Some people in WW2 did alright with a Thompson and a 1911.
If your pistol is a Glock, most PCCs will even take the same mags.
Makes sense to me
@@DeadeyeLefty exactly, I love my ruger PC9 Charger, 6 27 round mags, Glock 19, 6 15 round mags. I am good carrying this combo, especially in an urban environment.
Need? maybe. Want definitely.
I dont need it either, but I want it😂
There is as much need to own a pistol as there is to own a PCC. Its personal preference and in some cases, PCCs have an advantage. In this case, "Need" is subjective in my opinion.
Pistol cartridge carbine is more accurate for me than a pistol at distance. I already stock .22, 9 mm and .45 cal. ammo and I don't want to have to stock another caliber as it gets expensive. I only need to carry 9 mm ammo for both my rifle and pistol. It makes my life simpler, and that's a good thing.
This man doesn't age! Lol 😂 been watching the channel for a long time and he just doesn't age 😂 much love .45 ❤
Paul Harrel PROVED that 357 Mag out of a lever gun is close to 556 power
you will not get the same range as 556.
9mm out of the longer barrel gets you 200-300 FPS more and THAT MATTERS
accurate out to 100+ yards
I have a carbine in .454, shoots .45 colt too. Extremely handy and powerful, can buy rounds that compares to .45-70 standard velocity. Put in cowboy loads, and you have a great low powered gun. Yes, it has a place in my collection.
He is missed.
Nor will you get the penetration vs body armor that a 5.56x45 has.
@@dashcammer4322 of course not, those projectiles are inherently different machines with different behavior. OP's point was simply that energy on target is comparable, meaning there is overlap between what you can accomplish with a 5.56 carbine and a 357mag carbine.
plus: significantly quieter. Don't want to destroy my hearing to defend my house. lol
edit: 9mm vs 5.56
I bought a Hi-point 4595ts and love the accuracy with the included red dot optic. +P recoil is fine. The bullpup conversion is great and even more stable PCC platform!
I recently got a M&P FPC, I Love it!
Agreed - picked up one earlier this year - so much fun to shoot.
For me, it's a perfect truck gun - folds up nicely & I only need to pack extra ammo in one caliber for both the FPC & my EDC pistol.
I love mine. Steel challenge , 2 gun indoor leagues ect. It’s a blast
I am going to get one soon. I love the concept and the feel of them. I EDC a Glock 43X MOS and would love them to take a Glock mag but even without it, having 63 rounds on it, plus my two Glock mags is enough to be able to switch rounds if ever necessary. Plus having a few hundred rounds of 9mm is easy to keep handy. I live in FL so even if I need to use it for survival, it will easily kill the small deer we have here as well as the hogs and bears (although, the bears easily reach over 350 pounds so I would only attempt a head shot with the 9mm. Although it will do it, the tracking could be a nightmare). I also have a 10.5" AR and a CMMG .22 bolt and mags that are handy if I ever had to get out farther. Having a backpack with some safety items, survival items, the shorty AR pistol, .22 bolt/mags, a thousand rounds of .22 and a couple of hundred rounds of 5.56 is easy to throw around too. Between the FPC, handgun, and AR (+.22 bolt), I am set for anything I can see as a problem. Glad to hear you three all like your FPC and that gives me more of an incentive to go grab mine. Maybe a Christmas present to me from Santa (at least if the tag says it's from Santa, the wife can't get mad). LOL!
I got one in spring. It was the best toy I bought in a long time
Have an fpc that i really enjoy, carry 2 extra mags in the stock, accurate and compact. Right now also until end of month, s&w is also giving a free Vortex with purchase.
Yeah, I put close to 600 rounds through mine and as of now I haven’t had a single failure. I’ve only cleaned it once. Solid gun.
Definitely useful especially if they accept Glock mags. Shitf scenario I want the most common hardware available
Your shitf situation will never happen
Ruger put out a PCC that had an interchangeable mag well that accepts standard glock mags. That's why I bought it. Same mags, different utility.
53 years ago I carried an issued 45acp 1911. In my occupation in the Army at that time, my chances of getting shot down was extremely high, I was an Cavalry Aeroscout up on the DMZ. My experience on my first tour, having a car 15 and a 45 was fine except for the fact that when going down, you have two different weapons and very limited ammo for them both that one could carry. I was presented with a chance to get a brand new WWII M3 grease gun in 45 acp. I turned in my issued car15 and just had my grease gun and my 1911 for E&E when needed. I have followed my doctrine of for every pistol caliber I own,(which isn't many) I want a rifle/carbine chambered in the same caliber. Do I need that? Maybe not, but what worked for me in war should also work for me in case of the SHTF. Too me it makes sense, to others, well, you are on your own to contemplate your needs if and when the SHTF for real. MERRY XMAS
Just cool hearing about what you did and experienced.
Thank you!
Absolutely.
Kel-tec K2000 9mm multi-mag (MCARBO precision kit upgrades)
Kel-tec SU-16C 5.56 NATO (folds and fires folded)
Indeed, the word "need" would rarely apply to a pistol round carbine, however there is certainly a "place" for them.
For example, taking a Henry .38/.357 lever action along with a .38/.357 revolver to your favorite shooting spot can provide hours of fun, hunting/self-defense/target practice, or training, all with the same box of ammo.
For those who are recoil or blast sensitive, a .38+P from a carbine is nearly as painless as a .22 rimfire, yet provides adequate self-defense and ideal training for young or inexperienced shooters. For the reloader, .38 or .357 can be 1/2 the cost (or less) of factory ammo.
9mm purchased in bulk can be had for 20-cents/round, cheaper than you can reload it for.
Using the same tested quality ammo for both rifle and sidearm, also adds an element of reliability.
I like the discussion. I'm nearly 70 Years old that grew up on farm and ranches in Southwest Idaho, Southeast Oregon and Western Montana. From the time I was in my late teens along with many friends and family carried .44 Mag. Or .357 Mag pistols and lever action rifles in the pickup either in the rack or laid across the top of the dashboard. A lot of the reasoning had to do with space and time of year. A pistol belt full of.44's loaded revolver and full lever action carbine helped thin the coyote population. This combination was also good for deer and elk at reasonable ranges. So the rifle rack in the back window of the 1975 Chevy 4 wheel drive pickup had room for the shotgun and fishing pole or maybe the long range rifle along with the carbine. These days we now have to worry about theft or California city folks complaining about someone carrying an "Arsenal". I wonder if America will ever get back to normal.
America is and always will be “normal”. You’re the one who is static. 😊
@rpdx3 dang, and all this time I thought I was just an old curmedugeon.
It's gone, just look at the troll above, gone sir
@@rpdx3 WTF do you mean by that? Or did you just have your first beer and decide that you know all? PDSA
@@rpdx3 it's normal for a society to be chaotic, while an individual is based. So what's your point?
In a shtf scenario, in an urban environment where you have to grab and go, having a pistol that you can hit out to 25m is good. Having a rifle that will hit out to 100-150m and uses the same ammo and magazines, simplifies things in a high stress environment. Scavenging, the pistol round will be more commo (imho). In a rural or even some suburban environment where your threat is out past 100-150m I'd definitely want a more appropriate rifle but when things get crazy, simple is a plus.
What he said.
Yup.
I agree. But really depends on what the SHTF scenario is.
@Catgat37 Can't know the future. For general purposes I'd fell good about having a rifle that took 9mm Glock mags.
Thats exactly why i built mine i have over 1k rounds of 9mm but i only have about 300 of 5.56 due to the cost. I think the pcc is more than capable of protecting me and my family if i want to bunker down in my house
Nobody probably remembers, but Ruger made the .44 Mag Deer Stalker from the late 50s into the 80s. A PCC before its time. It looked like a big 10/22. I've dropped tons of deer and a few elk with mine. Fast as greased lightning and a great brush gun for under 150 yards.
How fitting this video is for me. Just 5 days ago I finished my own PCC build (AR9). The benefit of being able to shoot 20cpr bulk 9mm ammo instead of 50cpr 223/5.56 out of the AR platform is fantastic, and being able to use the Glock mags I've already gathered over the years is another added benefit. Well I don't find the recoil to be any better with my standard 6.9oz PCC buffer (if I was using a 8oz or 10oz heavy PCC buffer it would probably be much lighter), due to it being a blowback design, in comparison to my standard ARs, that still means it's a light shooting rifle.
Shooting sports was a huge reason for my decision to build one. My local Multi/3-gun matches have specifically approved PCCs as an alternative to standard intermediate and full-power cartridge guns for rifles. Prepping for a match always means I'm burning through more than the standard amount of ammo I'm expected to bring to the match if I don't want to embarrass myself. Now I can practice and compete for much cheaper. There's also a specific class for PCCs in SCSA that I'm excited to try.
I use a KAK 10oz buffer and it’s super smooth, I would recommend it
Simple answer.. Pistol rounds are generally much cheaper than rifle rounds. And with the longer barrel, you get more velocity than with a pistol. You can also carry more mags on your person than you can with rifle mags
Plus, and this doesn't get mentioned enough, the blast and noise of a short rifle is SO MUCH WORSE than a PCC inside a building, like it is not even close.
I built my 1st 9MM PCC and it is very fun! Additionally, I can shoot it at an indoor range. Many ranges do not allow rifle rounds in their range! KEEP ON ROCKING!
Thanks for posting this.
So I understand the idea of your handgun sharing the same ammo as your rifle. You're carrying ammo for both guns. That's pretty cool. Now, if I'm using my handgun to get to my long gun, my long gun is going to be significantly more capable than my handgun. But, being able to practice rifle fun with the price of handgun ammo, that's really cool and money saving which I'm down for all day. Happy shooting guys and gals, be safe, protect yourself and others, and God bless.
Merry Christmas and a happy new one .45 !
You look better than some months ago, makes me happy❤
People say "I don't understand, why would you want a PCC? The size of a rifle with the power of a handgun"... And then they buy a Ruger 10/22 🤭
i don't have a thing against PCC's but that's not a fair comparison. 22LR is a totally different gun role
They enjoy hearing themselves talk and sound important. Never thought of 10/22 as a pcc, though, of course, it is.
That reminds me, I really need to clean my 22. I love that thing but treat it like shit lol
Valid point
That's the gun i want next haha
Much respect -- Hickok was at Eniwetok with Lee Marvin. Thank you for your service!
I think PCCs make perfect sense when you own both sizes, because it makes stocking ammo easier. A 9mm might not gain much power out of a 16" barrel, but both the 357 and 5.7 get a nice power boost out of a long barrel. Those are the two I picked to get both sizes. For the 5.7, the Ruger LC can even use the PSA Rock magazines, so you can just stock one kind of 23-round mag and load in both.
Own a few. Ruger PC40, KelTec Sub2000 40cal, Rossi lever action .357 and .44. Each is accompanied by a host of handguns in same calibers. In my opinion, it makes infinitely good sense to pick a pair whenever you’re going on the road along with sufficient feed stock. Pretty able to deal with any foreseeable contingency.
Two three fire arms, same ammo. Simple. What’s not to like.
A long time ago, before the latest gun ban in Canada, I had a Tavor X95 with conversion kits for both 9mm and 5.56. The 9mm allowed for cheaper shooting, which allowed me to get more range days in for the same cost, and using the same rifle with the same manual of arms. The 9mm version was also more fun for new shooters, as the lower recoil and blast was less intimidating, and allowed them to hit the target more accurately and quickly. There are a number of people out there who would not have gotten into guns if it weren't for the good first impression that they got, which was helped greatly by the availability of a 9mm Carbine.
I consider 9mm carbines to be a decent halfway point between .22 LR and .223. They feel so much more substantial than .22LR, but even new shooters can still make rapid hits and feel like they don't suck. And they are just plain fun!
Did you guys have to turn your guns over? Or was there some kind of grandfather clause?
@@lokoteconunoshuevotes4685 They were going for confiscation through a mandatory buy-back. However, everyone's AR-15 is still sitting in their gun safe, nothing has been taken yet, and the buy-back is still non-existent.
It looks like our liberal government will fall within the next few months, and the chances of them ever getting this off the ground is extremely low.
Polling is indicating a strong conservative majority when we do FINALLY have an election, and they have said that they will un-do the liberal gun bans. Time will tell, but I do expect them to at least un-do the bans from 2020 and 2024, as they were done through an Order in Council (OIC), which is similar to your Executive Order in the USA.
The liberals have really kind of tied the conservatives' hands on this, as to follow through with the buy-back would be ridiculously expensive and goes against the conservative's voter base. The liberals also banned a large number of non-restricted rifles, such as the Tavor, Mini-14, Bren 2, ACR, M1A and many others. The government has no idea where these unregistered rifles are, or even how many are in the country.
How was that Tavor Soundwise in 223? Something I never hesr people talk about is hearing protection and self defence firearms. Like would you stash a pair of hunting headphones with your gun so you can still hear what's going on? Or just pick a quieter gun, maybe subsonic since no suppressors in Canada
There is definitely a need, as most people can afford to go to the range for 25 cents per round, but far fewer can afford some $2-$3 rifle rounds😮
Except it all ends up being a wash if you are a real shooter. I don't know what kind of $2-$3 rounds you are talking about. Unless you are running high quality match grade factory ammo out of an AR 10 and want a 9mm AR for training purposes. All I know is that when I run match grade ammo out of my 308 bolt action, it takes me significantly longer to go through ammo than it would for the same cost as shooting one of my 9mm guns.
@ I don’t know what you’re shooting, but .45-70 and 30-06 is $2-$3 per round, just to name two.
@@Catgat37 A real shooter as opposed to a fake shooter? Is my 8 year old nephew, who has only experienced a 10/22, but loves it, a real shooter, or is he a fake shooter?
@@stevez340 question is, how many rounds of 45-70 do you really run back to back?
@@RadaghastBrown I am referring to the kind of shooter that trains frequently. Many gun owners barely get out and shoot even once a month.
Yes but also Lightsabers… may the force be with you 💚🐎
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May the Force be with you. 🤠
Im surprised to hear so many people say they dont like PCC online. In my circles everyone i know has one and says they are fun. Anyone that dosent have one always tells me they want one. Never had anyone in person say anything negative about them.
A law enforcement officer that carries a Glock 9mm pistol can switch up to the PCC with the higher capacity Glock mag. This concept would give the officer the 100 yard increase with same caliber. Over penetration of the 5.56 or .308 round is a safety issue in an emergency situation. The PCC is also a lot cheaper for an officer to purchase if their agency doesn't provide long gun to every patrolman. Better to have it and not need it, than need and NOT have it
People should buy what they like as long as they can afford it and it doesn't break the law and not worry about what other's think about it.
What about the "laws" that break the law?
@@stefanmolnapor910like the laws that go against the US constitution !
Some "progressive" states have literally outlawed our Constitution.
I know a guy with an extensive collection, hundreds and hundreds of the best rifles you can imagine. He was showing off all his best guns and at the end of the tour he turns around near the door where we entered points at a Ruger PC9 and says, but this is my favorite to shoot!
I think they’re good options for kids. They’re also good if you want a rifle but also cheaper ammo
As always, your videos and comments are really enjoyable and informative. I have a couple of carbines and sbrs handy that I take to the range when shooting pistols and really enjoy them. Also, keep one sbr handy in 5.5¨with 33 mag in the house for protection.
My PCC is a Winchester 94 in .44 Magnum 🤠 I used to have a Marlin Camp Gun in 9MM which I now regret selling, although it seemed like a good idea at the time. You are right - they are a lot of fun!
Pistol caliber carbines were originally made to provide a semi auto version of a SMG. The semi auto UZI and HK 94 were early examples. I like them for home defense. A home owner can confront the threat with a pistol caliber long gun without having to worry about hearing loss, and easy follow up shots if needed. They are easy for smaller folks to use.
My pistol caliber carbine is a .357 Winchester 92 Trapper with a 16 inch barrel. Amazing Miroku quality.
To me, second only to a short barreled 12 gauge, it's the perfect home defense weapon. Just in case...I keep both!
I think it’s better than the 12 gauge because there is no recoil to speak of and ammo is plenty cheap so practice is easier.
Like having a modern day 1873, Colt pair when I’ve got my Hi Point 45 carbine and a 1911. I’m reliably fast and accurate with the carbine. For me anyway. Thank you again for all the excellent content.
Excellent presentation.
Home defense, every country in WWII developed a PCC as fast as they could for clearing buildings.
If you want a rifle for speed and accuracy but don't want the flash, recoil and bang then a PCC makes sense for getting the most rounds on target in the shortest time.
I inherited a whole lot of .40 Major ammunition from my son who shot IPSC. I'm 73 but not nearly as expert or healthy as you. I assembled the appropriate pieces and have a fun to shoot, easy to be accurate, high capacity, Glock mag'd, ADA compliant🙄, stocked ammunition, thudder.
You are such a good guy to pull a prank !!! You really had me going in the beginning, I was saying out loud , what about the Cowboys , keeping same ammunition is what I like I can even use my Glock 19 mags , so I look at it as a system !!! Have the others needed also !!! But you are a funny SOB !!!!! 😂🤣😂
Great video nice pistol carbine rifles thanks for sharing hickok45
I previously relied on handgun and shotgun for home defense uses. Recently added a PCC. For me, the overarching concern in an emotion and adrenaline fueled home defense situation is collateral damage , or unintended results. I live in an urban environment, so rounds missing intended target and landing elsewhere is a major concern to me. I think getting rounds on target in a stressful moment would be more likely with a PCC than a handgun, and practical range equals/exceeds shotgun performance.
Handguns for home defense are not necessarily the best idea. It requires a lot more training to become proficient with a handgun than pretty much any other platform. In this respect, a pcc is the better choice for home defense. Ideally, a very short one...with a pistol brace. That way the ballistics of 9mm will not be overpenetrating, and the gun will be far more maneuverable to clear corners, open doors etc. A shotgun is also not the greatest home defense option, as they are relatively long. Clearing house is not nearly as easy with a longer barrel. Shotguns are unwieldy for the average individual as well. I never understood why Handguns and Shotguns always get so much praise as home defense options. As someone who has extensive firearms training, this is what I choose. But I am by no means going to recommend them to a random individual for home defense.
@@Catgat37 Good points!
I still say every LE officer should have a light, small shoulder attachment for their Glocks. Just a short wire bent metal quick attaching "stock" would turn any pistol into a rifle. And of course the difference in accuracy would be incredible. The main reason officers grab rifles is when they simply cannot hold on a target past pistol ranges, especially with the massive adrenaline kick in fight mode. Easy to make one so light it could be worn with other gear at all times. In the civilian world power is not that important- accuracy ALWAYS IS!
That doesnt turn a ‘pistol into a rifle’ Its still a pistol with pistol cartridge, ballistics and effectiveness or lack there of.
Perhaps it can be more accurate past 25 yards but in no way is it a Rifle.
You can use the same ammo as your sidearm and let's not forget more velocity., so I think there is a need for it.
I bought a Ruger PC 40 a few years ago. Love it. Not a bad truck gun either…..
Do you aim for the tires or the radiator? :)
Back in the 1870s it was common for people traveling the west on horseback to have a lever action carbine and a pistol in the same caliber. That made the logistics of ammunition supply a little easier. Fast forward to today and my carbine takes the same magazines and ammo as my Glock 20. Same concept, just adapted to some newer old technology.
Now that I have watched further . . . Hickok got around to the same point!
Redundancy is great. Having pistols and "rifles"/carbines that use the same ammo and mags makes stockpiling and prepping very simple.
I just discovered in this video that hickock45 was born in 1845. 😅
Yep, that is why he calls himself Hickok"45".
I like these carbines on 40 s&w baby!!
Thank you Mr. Hickok45, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.
There is a niche place for the PCC (other than the matches). In a city or urban sense environment, you don't want to use a caliber like the .223 that can bounce, overpenetrate, etc. It ends up where you don't want it to go. The buttstock gives you more accuracy control and the longer barrel gives you an extra 200 fps than a regular handgun.
John just perpetually fixing that damn fence. Must be some serious weather around there knocking it down all the time
I fully agree there is a need for these types of firearms. For someone that is not proficient with a handgun this is perfect for close quarters.
For those of us in cold climates or cities, they are useful for indoor range practice.
I travel across the U.S. a lot. I always carry a Glock 19 or a Glock 26, so I thought it would make sense to bring along a takedown carbine that accepts Glock magazines that could be kept in a nondescript case, for when I take it into the hotel for the night. The Ruger PC Carbine with Magpul stock and red dot sight filled the bill.
sub 2000 takes glock magazine, too
A 8.5 inch AR with folding stock fits into a backpack (regular size) and sits in my backseat
So does the CMMG MkGs.
Hey buddy! Hope all is well. The reason is cost. Bullets in CA are expensive. We have those added taxes. So using 9mm to learn is a great cost savings. I know we're in different situations, so just sharing our challenges. Happy Holidays!
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You never explained why the real cowboys liked a rifle that shot the same cartridge as their pistol. Also, shooting that 9mm is far more cheaper than other pistol calibers. Not sure if they still make it, but Marlin made a lever action 44 magnum.
If you have to carry a limited amount of ammo and weight, having a common caliber is a logistical advantage. If you're planning for a SHTF scenario, that can also be a factor. Many of the PCCs also fold up to be more compact than a dedicated rifle.
@null6634 I already knew that. Asking 45 why he didn't explain. Looks like you did it for him. Better to have cartridge belt/belts with same ammo of course.
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His style is more conversational. Sometimes things get brought up, but not followed through with. It happens. It is a casual YT video, not a PHD dissertation.
But you knew that. So I suppose you're just picking nits.
I never get the impression from Hikok that money for ammo is ever a concern.
@Catholic-Perennialist I don't think he pays for it.
Well, my Ruger LC Carbine uses the same magazines as my G21/30. I like being able to load a SGM magazine in either platform 🎉 plus my indoor range doesn't mind PCCs
Its all about enjoyment or personal protection.
John... digging the Los Pollos Hermanos shirt - Walter White approved 😂😂😂
wow.. changed my mind on a few things watching this video.. and it might not seem like that important of a video, but this topic is actually HOT.
Thanks as always for great reviews and advise.
Man they are just so fun and soft to shoot. I mean if you want something fast and deadly accurate within 50 yards (capable of further), it’s a great weapon.
Also, it allows you to use the same ammo that you shoot in your CCW. Same reason for lever action rifles chambered in .357, 44 mag, .45 long colt, etc. very popular in the old West.
Hello Mr. Hickok. Have a nice Christmas and wish you a Happy New Year.
Love P from India.
I have the Ruger PCC in 45ACP- fantastic! I named it "Thumper".
I have one in 9x19. It should be called a POS, not a PCC. It doesn't run using Ruger or Glock Mags. I think I got a lemon, or the feed ramp is goofed up, or something. I was so excited to get it but nothing but disappointed with the purchase.
@@bassmangotdbluzI got mine in 9mm and am very happy with it. I hope you are able to get the issues worked out. I feel like mine is very reliable
Personally I think PCCs get a bad wrap - the only thing that doesn't make sense to me about them is the price. PCCs in the US now a' days make a ton of sense in the "sub"/"SMG" configuration. Think about it in terms of home defense - especially if you live in an urban area. Smaller, light-weight, and short barreled - makes it easier to grab at the bed side and maneuver around objects and walls. 9mm means less risk of over penetration (especially with dry wall) than 5.56 or other rifle calibers and is quieter (especially when suppressed) making it less likely to hurt family members or their hearing. More accurate than a pistol configuration especially when nervous and groggy since it can be braced against the shoulder or forearm to steady it. There are lots of advantages to a PCC like MP5 clones, Stribog, JP-5, etc. in a home-defense scenario. And if that doesn't do it for you the simple fact they they're easy and fun to shoot can top it off for you.
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There are some really good reasons, number one the ammo is cheaper, and some people can't afford standard cartridge carbine ammo. Also, not everyone can fire a pistol accurately, and they need something with a stock, that they can hold like a rifle for stability and accuracy.
Truth. Ammo doesn't grow on trees. 💥👊🏻🇺🇸💥
Multi purpose. Home defense, range fun, truck gun. Great for reloaders.
New Smith and Wesson FPC seems like it's a nice truck or backpack gun....
Can you imagine when it comes out in 45acp? 😊
I have a 9mm PCC and I like the fact I can carry a handgun and rifle with the same cheap ammo. 5.56 has come down but during Covid it was near 1.00 a round.
Same ammo same mag
A lot of people shoot 9mm carbines in IPSC because it's fun and affordable. Sure you could shoot IPSC rifle, but it's way more expensive and there's not too many matches here in Europe. PCC matches can be held at basically any range, sometimes pistol and PCC matches are shot using the same stages. It's just a very convenient way to get some dynamic training with a rifle.
The best subgun of WWII was the Russian PPS 43; in 7.62x25 Tokarev, matching the ammo in their pistol. While a subgun is not EXACTLY a rifle, it's a long-ish gun that benefits from having a pistol as a backup. Lots of other military subguns we could include as proof of concept.
We depend on our Pistols for SD most of the time. Many do the same at night for HD for countless reasons. Shotguns and Rifles are excellent choices , but , I may want less Flash , less concussion in my bedroom and at short distance than I would get with those. If I am more accurate with a carbine and still have my pistol as a backup , then maybe that is a good choice for me and my personal needs. Just a thought.
I'll say this: Firearms manufacturers are constantly designing, producing, promoting, and selling something new all the time. They're in the business to make money, I get it. If someone wants a 9mm AR style carbine, fine. Same for a reproduction of an 1873 Winchester in 44-40 or later cartridges not used in the 19th century. It's up to the individual, and far for me to tell another what to use.
One additional benefit of making these as a “pistol-braced” PCC rather than a normal rifle is that in a lot of states, the anti-poaching laws prevent you from carrying a loaded rifle on your person or in a vehicle.
A restriction that a stabilized PCC doesn’t have.
Sub2K in .40 loaded hot. Goes in a back pack in the trunk, on the train, in the hotel room, wherver... there's just something comforting about having a "rifle" if you need it. The world has become a crazy place. I like having the rifle at a moment's notice.
Love my Keltec Sub2k. Fits nicely in my backpack and it's very accurate.
I’ll add ammo/magazine interchangeability between your handgun and the PCC as a reason to have a PCC. My Glock mags also fit my Armalite Ar-19.
PCCs have their place. I have a keltec sub 2000. It uses the same mags as my Glock 19. It extends my affective range out past my pistol and is pretty concealable. Wouldn't know why anyone wouldn't want that versatility.
Thesis: PCC. Antithesis: pistol. Synthesis: PDW. In my opinion, PCCs and PDWs with hollow-points are ideal for self-defense in areas where over-penetration is a concern. I think the PDW is the ultimate urban or suburban truck gun.
I've got a ruger PCC at the house, and I love it. still, I laughed hard at "fake rifle." lol
Definitely not a waste by any means. They are definitely more affordable than the ar-15 he compared it to. Also, it's convenient for some to carry a 9mm pistol and then be able to use the same round at home if needed for defense in a carbine. Some people may also not be as accurate with pistol and want the stock to help stability while not havong to pay more for younrs like 556 compared to 9mm target rounds. Aside for all the reasons, they are fun to shoot.
I live on wooded property, the favorite deer cartridges in this area have always been 30/30 or 35 Remington. My H&K USC .45 is perfect for home and property defense. 180 grain handloads at 1400 fps. I want serious knock down power without .308 or .556 potential over travel. This rifle and round fills the bill perfectly, light, accurate, handles like a dream. The Winchester 94 and 92 trapper models still get used frequently.
I keep bugging Henry Rifles to make a .357 Magnum pump-action carbine. No luck so far. It would be great for home defense and short-range whitetail hunting.
The pistol caliber carbine is a worthy asset for any arsenal.
9mm is the most prolific cartridge in the world.
Nice to have a good option if you don't want to use rifle rounds.
The 25 round stick mags are nice too.
Yes. I've always thought it was stupid. However, if suppressors were widely available to everyone I could change my mind -- subsonic pistol ammo is more readily available than subsonic rifle ammo (plus, subsonic rifle ammo loses much of its rifle "character" when it's slowed down to pistol velocities).
“Think back 150 years ago. You remember that, right. “ 😂
Hickok was almost playing jingle bells with that nine mm 😅😅
As an international viewer we build houses out of bricks and I've seen a 9mm pass through one side of a concrete foundation block. From what I've seen Americans build houses out of wood and trying to fire a 556 round inside is nuts
Great topic. Cheers from Wisconsin
ive always found them a bit weird concept wise but i can see them having a place cause a lot of pistol caliber carbines are very light and some even super compact with the ability to fold and stuff so you can carry them with you easy in a bag or in a vehicle, i'd personally say in terms of range its a better than nothing deal, id still prefer a rifle caliber like 5.56 or 308 over pistol calibers personally.
Yes, 5.56x45 FMJ is only 50 cents per round, and goes through any armor that doesn't have rifle plates in it.