Jim Cornette on The Buildup To Shawn Michaels vs. Vader at Summerslam 1996
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- From Episode 148 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Listening to Jim talk about the seating capacity of the Nassau Coliseum is more interesting than the current WWE product
Than why are you still watching it it's simple really don't watch it I stopped watching after Benoit died
Lol
What a lazy, uncreative comment. Just b/c it was better than it was 20 years ago doesn’t mean there’s nothing good today.
No it’s not.
@@wayneking9997 why did u stop watching after Benoit died? He was a POS.
Sting did things the right way, Vader kicked his butt over and over until the payoff at the big pay per view. At which point no one thought Sting could beat Vader. That was until he used the rope a dope, he would tire Vader out by letting him punch himself out and then attempt to beat him. That’s how you built up a monster and payoff everything that came before.
@GravityLee well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are in a minority. Sting was good before the Crow thing, and for a long stretch. But hardly the GOAT. I would agree that he was the best WCW babyface wrestler ever.
@super coolguy it's not why lol Just about everyone said it was because of HBK.
To me Vader was always a baby face. I was a chubby kid, so seeing a guy like Vader being this monster, was actually empowering for me.
🤘🏽
For the same reasons I looked at Bam Bam Bigelow as a face.
I was a sexy boy so Shawn Michaels was empowering.
@@jamesmckeon9139 Nice, lol.
Vader and Sid, my top two big men of all time. I'm a WWE fan, and not much of a Taker fan
Michaels kicking Vader in the head - legit- made me lose all respect for him. Poor Leon. I would have flipped.
This feud would have worked better with Bret. Have Vader attack Stu Hart instead of Jose. Unlike with Shawn and Jose, you wouldnt have to manufacture a mentor/protege relationship between Bret and his dad.
While I agree that's when Bret took off for 6 months to spend some time with his family. When he returned he started a program vs Stone Cold.
Good idea except that by this time, I think Stu had some health problems and given Vader's problem with (really) hurting people, it might not have ended well.
Bret hated Vader and said he smelled like shit lmao
mr orange you can bet the psychology of the match would have been nailed too, watching Bret try to avoid being drawn into brawling and instead focusing on trying to take the monsters legs away from him. Could have been a very good program.
Bret and Shawn both hated working with Vader cuz he was stiff and potentially dangerous. Plus, he ruined some of Shawn's planned spots and Bret said his gear smelled like vomit cuz he wouldn't wash it regularly. Surprisingly, though, both seemed to like him personally as he was known to be a softie in real life.
I miss those cheap ticket prices in the 90s. I remember going to a house show wwf. 1996 . 15 bucks I was 4th row .
How much with inflation etc... or... are today’s tickets overpriced??
I got tickets and some merchandise for under $30 back in the day.
@@djarchive8303 Think they're just overpriced. Companies like Ticketmaster having more or less a monopoly on it has screwed everything up
@Michael RedCrow he took his kids too
@@peacepunksean1942 a year late but true. Even if you buy tickets at the actual venue they still charge you convenience fees! Madness I tell you!
I absolutely love when Jim goes into the numbers that he has written down in his books, it adds an extra layer to the discussion that no one else can provide. That's why I think that Jim is the absolute greatest wrestling historian of all time
What about Meltzer tho
@@countof3everybodyOD 🤣
He is and his collection of memorabilia is insane
He's something of a statistician bc of the wrestling journals he's documented recordings in over the decades and talks numbers and anything historical concerning the biz, Mr. Staub
"Michaels was scared that his 57 year old mentor and a fat manager gonna steal the spot light from him" - Jim Cornette
HBK apparently was pissed that Lethario vs Cornette grudge match at IYH
I am pretty sure Jose could still throw a punch or two, grab a hold and was by far a bigger draw in his day
I could see that. As a kid watching I was like who The ...: was the old guy with him. HBK don’t need him
Homeless hungry and scared at my witts end. Havent eaten in a few days and starving. If anyone could help me with literally a dollar or two it mean the world idk what to do anymore I'm scared :(
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And Shawn Michaels was what 31 in 1996 and worried about that
Austin on the pre-show coming out of KOTR lol
That was so fucking stupid. You had a guy who had established himself with the promo of the century that would print big money for the company to this day, and they stick him on the pre-show with 600 pound Yokozuna who could barely even move in the ring.
The year before
King of the Ring winner
Mabel
Against WWF Champion
Diesel
I don't think they saw what they did six months later , it was his matches with bret that helped , but yoko was well near 800 at that point
@@GorditoCrunch343 he wasn't "AUSTIN!" yet, he was just the last guy that won king of the ring. Like someone said early he didn't come into his own until he started calling out Bret Hart
I was just wondering if Austin had a match at summerslam 96’. That was right around the time he was just catching fire. Pretty interesting time in WWF.
Loved Vader. Can't say enough about how awesome he was to me. As a kid he was this big monster that was agile and athletic ... He had the really sweet masks early in career in wcw. And that giant head piece ... And his Japan runs had some amazing matches. Vader RIP.
Yes loved watching him in Japan and really anytime in his early career and up until the last part of his career really. If he didn't let himself go and Gain all that weight. Things could have been a little bit different at the end. He was one of the greatest heels and one of the greatest big men.
He's an I.C.O.N. in Japan. I remember seeing him go 45 minutes in a match in the Tokyo Dome vs. Riki Choshu back in '92, Mr. Feldpausch. What a match!!😳 It was a time limit draw for the IJPW Heavyweight Title
The late Big Van Vader held it at the time
@@intrigued16 He was 1 of the all time greats in any regard bc of his athleticism, size, speed, and agility, Mr. Allam. There was a match with Ahmed Johnson back in later '96 where Vader did a dropkick and a cartwheel on him to sidestep a backdrop
HBK in his crib lmao
lol
The Official Jim Cornette is the best wrestling content on TH-cam
& off TH-cam lol
@Dr. Loomis wrestling bios is the best without a doubt. Such great content
I was there for this match. You really made it hard for us to get out ahead of traffic lol
LOLLL
Shawn just did not like Vader. He let the Undertaker kick his ass in the Hell in the Cell in 1997
G Puppy cause taker woulda whooped his ass for real if he didn’t...Vader in real life was a chill nice guy
@@maxray7489 Vader, if he gave no fucks, probably would have turned HBK into a bloody pulp if he wanted to. But like you said, he was too nice a guy to do that, especially considering his position at the time being relatively new in the WWF, and right after he signed his contract, he was out for surgery, so I'm sure he didn't want to get on Vince's bad side even more by beating up the golden boy backstage because he had some cross words.
i'm not sure that's entirely true. There's fancam footage out there from that time period of WWF wrestlers arriving at a hotel for some event that was in town and HBK & Vader were hanging out with each-other and even working out together in the hotel gym. Seemed like they were buds. This was all shot by a HBK superfan / stalker iirc.
c4p yes you are correct. I remember seeing that. Also in a 1999 HBK shoot he did not say bad things about Vader. In Vader’s, I cant recall him blasting Michaels either.
@@mr.c4p its a gimmick. There was no actual beef between Leon and Shawn.
When I was a kid (born in 1983) I picked up the Pro Wrestling Magazine from time to time. Vader was super over in my limited knowledge of wrestling outside of WWF. He was an unstoppable monster.
Shawn’s ego and WWF’s lack of foresight/knowledge cost all 3 parties a lot of money (WWF, Shawn and Vader.) Shawn didn’t disrespect Taker like he did Vader.
I was born in '82 and you're right. I hadn't seen much WCW but I knew of Vader and when I saw the promos for him coming to the WWF in 96 I got super-hyped. His first ring entrance at Royal Rumble 96 is one of my favorite moments of the 90's.
You're right I was born 83 as well. I watched more WWF at the time but my friend's older brother was a huge WCW fan. So I ended up either watching or hearing a lot about WCW as well and later was huge both in WCW and especially in Japan. If you go back and watch his Japan stuff. You will really get a good look at what he was capable of inside of the Ring. WWF definitely handled him for the most part in the wrong way. Now when he first came into the WWF they set him up to be a monster. But from what I understand something happened at an event or talk show with Vader , where Vader did something that was not good and embarrassed the company from what I understand in some way. After that and a mix of Shawn Michaels. Along with Vader gaining a bunch of weight and let themselves go. His WWF career went to shit. Which is definitely a shame because of the fans Vader had. I think Vader is one of the best big men ever in the business. He's definitely in the top five or 10 without a doubt. I also understand that he was a really nice person outside of the Ring.
@@intrigued16 It was bad timing for the WWF(E) creative team to have Vader attack Gorilla Monsoon bc of his impending shoulder surgery, Mr. Allam. Big mistake on their part. The time off he had to use as his recovery post-op killed his heat and push in that company.
Vader got buried by Hogan in 1995 IMO in WCW, no sold his power bomb, which took out Sting, Mick Foley, Nikita Koloff, but Hogan had to do his nonsense that fans got tired of seeing. FOH.
michaels aint any better than hogan but everyone pretends otherwise just because shawn said so. he fuckin sucked
Hogan and Michaels were such politically minded asshats who couldn’t stand doing a job in a predetermined match... Hogan was at least good with kids..
@@alexmartin3143 that, and Hogan also could draw a full arena no matter the decade. Shawn couldn’t draw shit.
@@TheJASM4collection effffff hogan
Idk why they only getting at Shawn Bret Hart said everything that Shawn said about Vader too
When you see how much Mitsuharu Misawa bumped for Vader in All Japan in 1999, it's a shame to think of just how great a Vader/HBK series could have been if it hadn't been for Shawn's attitude.
I remember that Shawn did ignore Jose. I never understood why Jose was there.
It's sad aye 🤔😓 Jose deserves more respect
It wasn't good how Shawn treated him but they should've just had him there for WM and that's it. It really didn't add or fit with Shawn's character
What’s strange is that when I was a young innocent wrestling fan, I used to think
What is Jose doing there
He’s not a good manager like a PAUL Bearer or Jim Cornette
I guessed Shawn wanted to give his trainer a paycheck
Oh how wrong I was
Damn... the more you learn about Shawn Michaels, the more you... say damn.
Rip Leon
Had on headphones listening while working, Got done and looked at the screen and lost it. Thanks Mr Heckel it made my day a little better
Did we seriously miss a chance to have Corny shoot on Buffalo Wild Wings?
No. He just says that chicken wings weren’t really a thing back then.
Because of this backstory, I’m glad Hogan didn’t do the trilogy with Michaels. Karma’s a bitch.
I love how Jim Cornette lays out the logic of the match/business
He's an intelligent mofo wit the gift of gab for real.
Vader was always a greater wrestler. He had excellent matches with keiji mutoh, that 4 way with Bret hart, Steve Austin and the Undertaker, Cactus jack.
Sting, Ron Simmons, Lex Luger, his W.C.W. days were vicious.
Didn't someone try to give Vader(R.I.P.) shit on Twitter for abusing jobbers and the jobber in the clip replied "Vadar wasn't a bad wrestler, he was a great worker. I never felt one stiff shot from him." Vader was money all around.
texasranger9 he broke a jobbers back with a powerbomb, vader said he felt awful for it nd that he went too far
@@callumlewis4062 Austin broke Chono's neck, Owen broke Austin's neck, Mesterio had an accident in the ring where someone lost their life. None of them are bad wrestlers, not even close..... accidents happen.
Michaels and Vader should have been as good as Flair/Vader, alas it wasn’t, an indictment of HBKs attitude more than anything else.
Yup, Shawn was unprofessional and acted like a baby during this time.
15:15 Jim Cornette impersonating Jim Cornette is awesome 😂😂😂
I would put it third behind the Dusty and Ernie Lad impersonations
Ya, your right it’s the best!
Cornette's best impersonation is of Bucky Beaver Kevin Dunn.
Jim actually did the Bruce Prichard impression of Jim Cornette....my mind is blown
LOL Corny has done it a few times!
it's the best omg 🤣🤣
I could listen to Jim all day, love his stories!
I suspect that Shawn was worried, as business was tanking and he wasn’t drawing, if he dropped the title to Vader and business went up, then Michaels might have lost his spot at the top.
You're probably right. Plus, Vader was rough with him.
Let's not forget that Shawn went out of his way to make Nash look like shit. His own good friend...but Shawn wanted his spot.
Vader was an awesome monster heel, it’s a shame how badly Vince and HBK buried the guy after coming to the WWE
Vader vs Stan Hansen despite the issue of Vader eye was probably his best match ever. Rest In Peace Leon Vader White.
Love Corny as an adult, hated him as a kid
@Dr. Loomis Yes, very well in the early 90's brah
"I loved Patt Patterson's finishes."
I'll show myself out now.
I don't get it
::Mel Phillips has entered the chat::
omg lol
The portal to HELL is waiting for you 😂😂😂
@@tobiasfarragut292 yo 😂😂😂
$200 for front row.
JFC, that's the most flooring fact I got out of this exchange. Imagine those rates today.
And that was $200 back then. Would translate to even more now after accounting for inflation. Crazy, lol.
Since I first heard it in the 90s I've thought HBK was the most overrated guy in wrestling history.
He bottom'd for Vince so he was pushed at every chance
@@MW-cx3sb The sad thing is you might be genuinely right. He kissed Vince once on the mouth on live TV.
I was at that summer slam... it was my very 1st wrestling event.
Summerslam 1996 is a sneaky good Show.
And it really has no right to be
@@gothchicksbongrips5712 why is that?
i love it lol
@ShadowAngel Owen and Savio along with Marc Mero and Goldust were hardly mediocre crap.
@ShadowAngel Not to mention them sticking Steve Austin on the damn pre-show of all things. What a crock.
$2900 back in 1996 sure beats the $29 he makes for modern appearances! lmao!
I was at that show. I was only 6. The boiler room brawl was incredible and scary for me.
He did my question 💯❗️
Timestamp it for us!
Suprised to hear Shawn Micheals sold out a show as champ, far as I know he couldn't draw too well when he was
I was shocked that Leon talked so highly about Shawn Michaels before he died. Especially since Shawn Michaels ruined his career.
I personally believe that the reason why he was able to do that was because he truly was a beautiful soul. Michaels well born again yeah right will never ever match up to guys like Vader.
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The match seemed unbelievable
Vader put Ron Simmons over so I will always respect Vader
Vader is definitely one of my favorite wrestlers.
Jim, please provide more statistical/business insight into future episodes, super interesting!!!
Proves that Shawn was not a draw!
And Still universally seen as the goat can't be considered the best ever by his peers and his fans and not draw money that'd be a fallacy
He just said that The first Vader-Micheals match was a sellout
I don't believe the garden price. Vince takes his cut under the table then you get your total
The best match I've ever seen with Vader was when he wrestles Stan Hansen in Tokyo that was a classic I can watch that every day 😃😃😳
Mine is when he faves sting
Vader vs Sting
I know shawn was a giant diva in the 90’s, but he is still one of my favorites to watch.
Diva is an understatement. Shawn was an unprofessional pr*ck that never wanted to drop the title or put anyone over.
@@KB-hh8rt someone's mad. Lol
Shawn did the same to Nash at WM 11...
The deep voice "Helen", I'm ☠
Its hard to understand how people think Michaels was the greatest of all time when he couldn't put anyone over.
Watched the match then I watched this video and I could see everything Jim explained
hearing about Shawn’s attitude makes him lose a few cool points for me, but he was something else in the ring.
Cool points?! Cringe.
@Dr. Loomis Haha, can't make up his own insults when he doesn't like someone's comment, lol. No, lorl! NO! Lorfl! Stroll on, boi.
Shawn wasn't a "Rocky" type.
Watched the Midnight Express/Southern Boys after listening to the watch along. Fantastic match, ending was fudged a little though.
Wrestlers don't know how to work anymore. They can't sell. They understand that the marks are smart so they see no reason to use good psychology. They come up with spots and gimmicks that are too fake to believe. We know it's fake but we must be able to suspend disbelief. If you put a promotion together that allows the fans to forget it's fake for a few hours then you will have real competition. Vince would be number two before the next PPV. Use psychology to set up a high spot. Don't set it because you need to get your shit in and brag about how acrobatic you are.
It would be like watching a movie and the the main star just jumped off a building with a parachute to attack a guy. Sounds awesome to watcg but why the fuck did that happen? Is this a comedy?
@@spetterman2916 exactly, we applaud the athleticism but we don't love the performer. Steamboat was an athelete but put the spots together in a smart way.
Totally agree. They don't sell correctly they just do stupid spots and then they don't sell the power moves or high impact ridiculous moves... They dont know how to get heat and there is very few True heels and babyfaces ... Internet helped killed Kayfabe... And now it's very few wrestlers being wrestlers it's now wannabe stars trying to be Wrestlers.
Aagghh.. It's so different now. Eh.
Wrestling today would be like watching a movie and during the movie the actor says, oh this is just a movie, we're acting. None of this is real, so who cares.
@@spetterman2916 No, it's The Expendables!
I remember thinking even back then that Lothario really cramped Shawn’s style.
Baby face or not, HBK doing his whole entrance…The prancing, dancing, stripping, and poses with this random old guy in a cowboy hat that looked like he was pulled from a San Antonio bar following him around made zero sense and didn’t seem like a guy that fans would believe Shawn, even in kayfabe, would keep around.
It’s a shame if Shawn treated Jose like shit. That seems to be Jim’s main beef with how Shawn treated Jose because Jose got Shawn in the business..but Jim sounded somewhat understanding of why Shawn wouldn’t want Jose as a full time manager.
Michaels didn't do too well in "trilogys" that were booked for him did he?, if you recall almost a decade after this ordeal with Vadar, the same thing happened with him and Hogan in 2005, only in that one, I think that Hogan was wrong for not putting HBK over, and of course we all know how that match turned out! In case you don't know, he was supposed to have 3 matches with Hogan, one with him going over and one with Hogan going over and I don't know how they'd book the last match, ......
The last one would be Hogan winning, but in a controversial way. Like a double pin, but referee not noticing Hogan's shoulders and giving him the win.
That's vintage Micheal's overselling and getting heat cause Hogan used his "it doesn't work for me brother" against Michael's
@@lkcdarzadix6216 Agreed, my understand of it, was that it was supposed to be a trilogy of matches. I think Hogan was supposed to win 1 and Michaels the other two. Hogan didn't want to put Michaels over in the first match (Summer Slam 2005) and you know the rest, the overselling, and the entire angle getting cut short.
I love listening to Jim ❤
Cornette is good
According to inflation calculator, A 25.00 dollar wrestling ticket would cost 41.00 in 2020 dollars.
It seemed like either WWF misused Vader or he got old. Vader, Lex Luger, Sting and 2 Cold Scorpio all did better in WCW. Vader's matches against Sting and Cactus Jack were really good.
He was done before he even got to WWE cause Hogan no sold Vader's move. Kiss of death cause everyone sees it.
Love the “rose colored glasses” for Shawn. Nice touch love whoever the artist is
Corny is the Oracle of Wrestling
Making a Shawn a nice dude with Jose Lothario as his manager didn't help things either. Not saying that excuses Shawn's behavior but if WWF had him more comfortable in his role than being the smiling babyface they liked at the time, he might've been more cooperative
I think this shows how limited Michaels was.
Damn shame vader had so many issues in wwf, both due to certain other assholes and his own making. Can you imagine the potential with the Vader we saw in WCW or better yet Japan post-WWF run doing a legit matchup with HBK and others riding high in the company back then? Holy smokes, what a damn shame
Shawn probably inspired Randy to scream at Kofi in the ring.
STOOPID
I get what Jim is saying about Jose and Shawn possibly not caring for him being there, but from what I saw on TV, Jose would constantly get right in the way when Shawn was doing his pose in the ring. Say what you want, but that entrance and pose was a big part of Shawn’s Gimmick, just like Taker does his lights on/coat hat off entrance, Austin does the 4 corner salute, Hunter and the Water spray etc. Imagine Austin going to hit the corners and each time his manager is standing in the corner like a goof.
I get it, maybe Jose liked being out there and wanted a little shine. But you’re 60 and the champ is doing his entrance pose in front of the hard cam, get the hell out of the way!!
You shouldn't do much shine against monster heels. Heat is more important. A Vader match should look like a Brock Lesnar match.
Oddly enough, though, I also thought Vader sold too much for Sting. In some of those Sting matches Vader looked nearly as bad as the HBK matches.
Also: The Finish Cornette discusses where Vader attacks Jose Lothario, they used that in MSG to put the belt on Sid. Everything they were supposed to do for Vader they gave it to Sid. Lol what assholes.
Shawn was right about Jose.You essentially change the guy who got there
Vader should of won that match at Summerslam.
I miss all wwf wrestling in the 90’s
After hearing this I did watch the match again and saw Shawn Michaels kick him in the head and say move. I was not a Shawn Michaels fan out of the Ring but in the Ring he was usually great. Unless he was over selling. But it made me mad because right below this match was Undertaker vs Vader on July 13, 1998 Raw. Shawn Michaels was on commentary for some reason. And The Undertaker came out and too the ring post when Kane's pyro went off in Undertaker's face. And Shawn Michaels sucked up to Undertaker. Then Vader came out and he went on and on about how great Vader was. Just after finding out the true way he felt towards Vader made me sick. He was totally full of crap.
You could also see the previous year how pissed he was to have major failed his jump from the ladder to catch the hanged belt or how annoyed he was at Survivor Series 96 to be booed spitting at the fans and insulting them or when he told Earl to tell Bret to get the f*ck out of his ring at WM 12.
yeah he said vader was the strongest guy hes ever wrestled.. adding to his tantrums, there was the time during a match with diesel, a photographer got in the way of a spot and he pushed him once, then roughly snatched him up out of his shoes and made him sit to the side. you hear vince on commentary try to work it in by saying he's very intense but you can tell vince was pissed
In 1996 MSG 65k 15% anything over 200k dam no wonder the DOLANS are swimming in billions
that's insane!
If I was an adult in the 1990s, I would've gone to a lot of shows with those ticket prices. Just hearing Sid vs British Bulldog, Taker vs Mankind, and Shawn Michaels vs Vader for the world title would get me to want to check the show out. Fast forward to today (if COVID wasn't around), I could care less to spend a lot more money to see Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens, Bayley vs Nikki Cross, and Street Prophets vs Viking Raiders. I don't want to knock the lack of wrestling talent, but those 3 matches for Summerslam just feel like big matches with something on the line. The way WWE would book today's product to attempt to get you excited, and paying a lot more $ for it...I would pass easily
I was terrified of him as a kid 😂
HBK always had problems with trilogies
$2,900 for one night is a screw job?????.....wowwwwwwww
How much money is that in 2020 this was in 1996
@@TheAaronChand According to inflation calculator, it would be over 4,800 in 2020 dollars. Not bad pay for a manager for one night..
$2900 for one night of work in 1996 was plenty. A lot of people have a really unhealthy relationship with money.
Wow I turned 2 that day.
shawn was a baby when losing to stone cold, it was so fitting when mike tyson put the 3:16 shirt on him, lmao was the best
Jose added nothing to Shawn’s act. Shawn was right to not want him there.
Outside of the story they were trying to tell lol
Paul Orndorff beat the cr$p out of Vader in a real life shoot. This has been corroborated by multiple people.
Sad that Orndorff practically made a 2nd career out of that incident.
and in flip flops
I dunno Marcus Bagwell who was there when it happened did an interview and said orndorff was in bad shape and walking with a cane, and that Vader was clearly trying not to hurt the old man, but that just before I got broken up Vader had him pretty much cornered. I'm gonna choose to believe the eyewitness account that provides some actual context.
Love to hear Cornette’s thought on Jericho’s recent crybaby behavior. Totally lost respect
I haven't been keeping up, mind enunciating the said recent antics?
Crybaby behavior?
The elite: “WWE doesn’t listen to the fans”
Jericho: “If you don’t like Jelly J’s matches you don’t have a soul”
Truly sickens me that Jericho has become what he has, his friends died for professional wrestling and now he's making it into a joke so he can line himself as a top on their show
@@hitomitanaka105 I don't have a Twitter so idk about that but he is definitely getting goofier every Wednesday.
People say Russo sucked without Vince's filter but Jericho is becoming the same way
Shawn’s work in this era was unmatched but the problem was his character wasn’t “cool”. While his buddies were rebels on the other show. Michaels didn’t like being stuck with an old man mentor gimmick. The young male audience was turning on the “boy toy” character. Evidence of that was the Lothario heart attack angle and Michaels title loss to Sid at MSG three months after this SummerSlam.
Who else cringed at "Pat Patterson finish" ???
Your comment is definitely worth a Ron Simmons... Damn
Widely known as one of the best finish guys in the business
I watched this match a few days ago and thought Vader looked super strong and Michaels looked lucky to hang onto his title. It was one of the best main event matches of 1996 in WCW or WWF. Whoever reacted negatively to it and canceled the trilogy messed up. Vader would have been a great champ
When numbers just started flying i didnt understand what was happening anymore XD
i expected Shawn being an ass to work with as he wanted it to be about him and i got it :P
did Shawn care about anyone in 1996?
Sunny ☀️
Poor Jose 😂
Vader on HBK: th-cam.com/video/1LFkw-EeqyU/w-d-xo.html
"...and it's purple from my thigh down to my fuckin' ankle..." Then a few days later he goes to a doctor, for the needle job. Corny's life really should be a comic strip.
Vader and Shawn Michaels at SummerSlam was a great match. Vader put Michaels over and Vader had maybe his best match ever. You really could have not asked Vader to do anything more -plus it was a long match and that is asking alot from the big guy. What more could Vader have done?
Lots of house practice shows for this one also. =Lots of practice for this SummerSlam match.
He could of “moved!"
I don’t know if it was his best Match. More like one of his best matches. The match with him and Flair at starrcade 93 was a five star match. In addition, the match he had with Hart, Austin and Taker at final four was another great match of his. His matches with Sting made him a big deal. But when it came to guys like Hogan and Micheals, it was over for Vader. After that, he was jobbing to undercard wrestlers. At least he got to do an angle with Kane which had its moments. I always felt he should’ve faced Taker in the main event at WM 13 and Sid facing Mankind.
Shawn Micheals shoulda sold Vader's shit like he did with Hulk Hogan's offense in Summerslam 2005 😂😂😂😂😂
Jim, dammit, the detail with the needle in the knee is not the mental image I needed... 🤢
Did he say Heenan only got 20 grand for Mania?? Man I would be thrilled to get a 20 grand payoff for one night. The wrestlers should get paid a lot more than the managers in my opinion so I dint get why he’s complaining here
Exactly, sounds like he's being a bit greedy here.