I like how Tim treats every horse as an individual regardless of background. He gives each horse a chance to succeed or fail without judgment or frustration. I look forward to watching this horse learn a new job!
I like the way you quickly nipped that in the bud. No fanfare, no anger, just a clear no and then move on. I think we, as humans, hold onto the behavior longer than they do. Moving on quickly with no emotional response, but just matter of factly, is perfect. Kind of like quickly slapping the hand of a child with their hand in the cookie jar. Lol
I am so glad i found your channel this vlog has given me the confidence that i am on the right track re schooling my 11yr QH mare, i bred and broke her in as a 3 year old, i had to restart as a 5 year old and for the last five years her schooling was intermittent no fault to her my life was pretty hectic, moving home and rebuilding our and equestrian home over the years , my qh is a " pretty palomino halter horse with a leg at each corner! , dam a working cow horse (hot but super trusting whom i broke and competed as a allround western horse ) she is super quiet (sire is a pleasure horse) last year out of the blue spooked in the arena and bolted throwing me back my head on her butt i was just quietly walking on a loose rein so i couldn't pull myself up and bring in the rein, after a few laps of rodeo i landed on my back cracking some back ribs i struggled to get the guts to get back on this year thanks to your vlogs and we are starting from the beginning as there.s resistant to giving to the bit and moving forward etc (spoilt behavior) until i get the respect in the walk we will progress onto jog but so far so good!☺👍
Lola! I really hate when horses (and other animals) are just bred for looks and not performance, and soundness (to include temperament). People can be awful sometimes.
My one 'rule' for _myself_ when I was rehabbing ponies was to have A LOT more positives than negatives in _all_ sessions. If I was short of time, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of getting into anything which might result in any sort of 'battle', however slight, but would instead concentrate on a few easy things about which the pony was already consistent, give appropriate praise then end the session. Lots of short, easy sessions and slow, gradual progress usually makes the more challenging problems easier overcome successfully. I appreciate, though, that I wasn't doing this as a business, just as a self-funding hobby.
I am a sucker for a black horse. Personally I would not take a halter breed horse of most any breed. I like horses that are bred for their minds, for working and using. Looking a certain way just standing still rarely makes for a good animal, regardless of species. Plus the numerous health issues they tend to have. The halter horse you recently had in was the palomino quarter horse mare. I thought her name was Lola? She was the one was getting the Magnawave treatment. If I had to guess who the other one was, I would guess it was Saber. Just because he didn't seem like he was much exposed to the real world, but he is gorgeous. You did a lot of really good work with Saber. He will just need more riding time to fulfill his real potential. If I would have to guess Saber's breeding, he looks to be from Sheila Varian's lines. She bred for horses that excelled in the halter ring, but were also required to be great performance horses before she would keep them in her breeding program. Which is how all stewards of any breed should be. This horse looks to be dragging his hind legs in the dirt a lot. Is that because he is not used to rounding himself and he is tired? I like that you are so fair with the horses you work, with but you don't take any nonsense from them either. Too many people don't understand being balanced with animal handling. A bit of correction with the little things stop them from becoming behaviors that get people hurt. It is a really long mental leap to think that pulling a horse's head to the side and making him circle for a little while is abuse. That was nothing more than a gentle, no don't do that moment. Have a great weekend.
Woody is much more balanced than the other halter horses. (I couldn't remember their names if my life depended upon it! LOL) He looks like he would be a very comfortable ride once he is passed the "temper tantrums". In particular, his jog looks very comfortable to sit.
The details about hand placement, which rein, which leg you are using. All of this is helpful. Thanks. Spurs seem to be a way to focus the request. They work well.
To me, this horse looks like he is two different horses glued together, just in front of the hips. His front end is not too bad, even comely. The bulging muscles in his gaskins betray his halter horse heritage because his gaskins are grossly disproportionate to the rest of his musculature. His rump has such a steep angle and his hocks are so low that he literally can’t pick his feet up and get them underneath himself properly. I don’t know if his poor attitude has developed because of his hind end issues or for some other reason, but there is not one moment in this video where he seemed willing to work. I hope he can get over that. Like you said, it’s horses with that kind of attitude that tend to end up in kill pens. I can tell that you are devoted to making something of him so that he doesn’t meet that fate. I truly hope that you can.
I really, really like this horse. Like his top line, and he has a nice long underline and depth thru the heart! He moves nice.....In my mind I see him excelling in ranch work.....bet he takes to cattle in a good way! He has some spunky but a brain, too! I'm going to be looking forward to more on Woody!!
Sadly today's (stock breed) halter horses are no longer form to function. I do hope the trend comes back to horses who have some angle and larger feet.
The old saying 'pretty is as pretty does' to me explains halter horses. I wouldn't buy a halter bred Quarter horse, it would have to a reining or cutting bred if I bought one.
I appreciate all the videos you share of your training. They are so helpful and this horse specifically reminds me of my horse at the moment.... Throws temper tantrums and has not developed a good work ethic!
I'm sure that some of Tim's cattle move - or at least appear to move! - more freely than do some of the 'halter-bred' horses I've seen him working with, at least in the early stages of his schooling them. It's a huge pity such attractive looking animals are not even more attractive when moving, as by rights they should be. I've seen a great many superficially quite 'plain' looking horses transform themselves when they start moving, but only very rarely the opposite.
Agreed.. I must have beautiful and beautiful movers. I had the ugliest appy POA until he moved. Man that pony was gorgeous moved like a TB hunter so athletic!
I notice with the halter bred horses, they do not track up well with their hind legs.Lola was one of the worst, but I guess her injury contributed to that. Hopefully you can help him become more athletic, though some people don't want their horses too athletic🤣
I could see an improvement in how he moved after some work. I just dont get this American thing of breeding horses just to show in hand. How do these type of horses do with riding on the trail and doing faster work? I am used to TB's and WBs so have no experience with this type of horse.
Agree; I am used to ridden Arabians, TBs, British/European native ponies, and their crosses. What I would describe as 'free movement' is a fundamental part of their very being, and, frankly, the purpose of their existence. Nevertheless, this is a good-looking horse who seems to responding well to his training.
Pretty is as pretty does! I’m trying to learn how to properly use long reins. You are my go to. I can tell right off the bat my hands are all over the place. One of the problems my horse came with is putting his head as high as he can during haltering/bridleing and running backwards.He’s come a long way but is stiff. (Doesn’t run backwards, though 😅)However, when riding he still tries carrying his head way up and is hollow backed. How do you fix that? Do you still keep your hands in the same position or up with his head ?
@timandersonhorsetraining I finally figured you were talking about Lola. She has that gym pretty look, but she doesn't move well and had pain issues. I admit the big beauties are attractive. Who doesnt appreciate the beauty of musculature? But the fun of horses isn't leading them around. Maybe I am missing something.
Tight hindquarters lacking reach and mobility seem to be the limiting factor in halter horses. Kind of like the artificial hip slope German Shepherd breeders have pursued to the detriment of the animals. Have you noticed any chronic problems as halter horses age, Tim? Fortunately, this horse looks to have escaped the worst of it.
@@seneynahno HYPP unless they have the gene. HYPP N/N means not a carrier, don't have it can't pass it on. The current disease AQHA is perpetuating is HERDA, which is a cutting bred disease. But they have to have 2 copies for it to be expressed.
woody drives better with his hind so he looks light in front and more balanced legs in front not so straight in the pasterns so doesn't seems as choppy
Can't get that exact bit anymore but this is very close. The Bob Avila Collection by Professionals Choice Equine Signature Shank Copper Port Bit (Medium) a.co/d/ciTYWjD
I asked my dressage instructor about using spurs, she prefers a whip. She says you don’t want to use spurs to get forward because what are you going to use when teaching more complex commands? I really want to use spurs to get him round and I struggle using a whip in my hand. But dressage has more complex moves which is why they use whip AND spurs.
Lol. Dressage maneuvers are not more complex than reining maneuvers. I expect my cow horses to do a travers while matching a cow's speed going down the fence. Try asking a dressage horse for that at a wide open run.
That explanation you got was just straight up stupid and ignorant. You can do all kinds of things in all kinds of tack or no tack at all. also shows your trainer talks bs while unknowingly showing a massive lack of knowledge (about western disciplines/maneuvers).
You can use spurs and whip or just one or the other. The spurs needed for higher level work was because the FEI required spurs for tests just like they used to require a double bridle. My Grand Prix mare scores better at FEI in the snaffle and I rarely trained or warmed up on spurs (changed that when I got eliminated at I-1 for no spurs). But…she was very attuned to my body. You can ride an entire Grand Prix text bareback on her and you can do tempis/piaffe/passage in a halter and bareback.(. Pirouettes get a little large in a halter but that may be me and my balance). You actually just have to think what movement you want and it’s there But-I ride all my young ones in spurs and often a whip as well. I need tools if they do something like stop and think they don’t need to go forward or need to bend through their ribs. Then those aids go away as they get more and more balanced and sensitized to my seat.
I notice there's no clucking to encourage movement. I believe my tongue would be numb from smooching during this. I cannot recall if you adressed clucking on other videos, so now I am curious.
I do use cluck for forward sometimes but when a horse already is saying not like this one did the whole time but clucking you are just desensitizing that cue.
@@timandersonhorsetraining That makes sense. I often quit clucking if I don't feel the peak of intent, or picking up the rythm. I can see how his response, or lack of, to the spurs would cause me to add clucking, but it is better that you save it for later.
Dude I realize I am being rude here but the horse doesn’t have a voice. Please consider the workload you put on a horse. The horse thinks feels needs and wants. You are every bit of 300 pounds. That is an immense demand on horses.
This man is very experienced in training horses of all breeds and sizes and also riders. He has owned and trained champion reining horses. Tim knows what he is doing. He is only 5'5" and there's no way he is anywhere near 300 lbs!
He's only 5ft3 -, if he weighed 300 pounds he would barely be able to walk. Precisely why good riders KNOW their horses and their abilities. Wow, I bet you really hate the Tevis Cup (bet you don't know what it is do yoh?)
@@karensmart9334 he is 5 ft 5 in. So I take that back - about 250 with the saddle. 🤷♀️ Some basic math. Say the horse is 1k pounds and the rule of thumb is 20% maximum workload - it’s evident to see that horse should not carry more than 200 pounds. That mean’s maximum work load. The horse is being asked to work beyond its capacity- even if the total value is 200 pounds that is still maximum work load. Tevis Cup does push a horse to a level that is not natural for a horse. Not a fan.
Tim makes a difficult horse to ride look easy. This is a difficult horse!❤
I like how Tim treats every horse as an individual regardless of background. He gives each horse a chance to succeed or fail without judgment or frustration. I look forward to watching this horse learn a new job!
I like the way you quickly nipped that in the bud. No fanfare, no anger, just a clear no and then move on. I think we, as humans, hold onto the behavior longer than they do. Moving on quickly with no emotional response, but just matter of factly, is perfect. Kind of like quickly slapping the hand of a child with their hand in the cookie jar. Lol
Very well made video!
Lola screams out halter horse. I always think they move like they have square tires.
I am so glad i found your channel this vlog has given me the confidence that i am on the right track re schooling my 11yr QH mare, i bred and broke her in as a 3 year old, i had to restart as a 5 year old and for the last five years her schooling was intermittent no fault to her my life was pretty hectic, moving home and rebuilding our and equestrian home over the years , my qh is a " pretty palomino halter horse with a leg at each corner! , dam a working cow horse (hot but super trusting whom i broke and competed as a allround western horse ) she is super quiet (sire is a pleasure horse) last year out of the blue spooked in the arena and bolted throwing me back my head on her butt i was just quietly walking on a loose rein so i couldn't pull myself up and bring in the rein, after a few laps of rodeo i landed on my back cracking some back ribs i struggled to get the guts to get back on this year thanks to your vlogs and we are starting from the beginning as there.s resistant to giving to the bit and moving forward etc (spoilt behavior) until i get the respect in the walk we will progress onto jog but so far so good!☺👍
Great session! Thanks for the example of discipline without emotion 😊❤
He has much better angles behind than a halter horse.
Lola! I really hate when horses (and other animals) are just bred for looks and not performance, and soundness (to include temperament). People can be awful sometimes.
100% agreed. Unfortunately it happens way too much 😔
My one 'rule' for _myself_ when I was rehabbing ponies was to have A LOT more positives than negatives in _all_ sessions. If I was short of time, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of getting into anything which might result in any sort of 'battle', however slight, but would instead concentrate on a few easy things about which the pony was already consistent, give appropriate praise then end the session. Lots of short, easy sessions and slow, gradual progress usually makes the more challenging problems easier overcome successfully. I appreciate, though, that I wasn't doing this as a business, just as a self-funding hobby.
Woody is a nice looking horse. Thanks again for the learning experience Tim.
I am a sucker for a black horse.
Personally I would not take a halter breed horse of most any breed. I like horses that are bred for their minds, for working and using.
Looking a certain way just standing still rarely makes for a good animal, regardless of species. Plus the numerous health issues they tend to have.
The halter horse you recently had in was the palomino quarter horse mare. I thought her name was Lola? She was the one was getting the Magnawave treatment.
If I had to guess who the other one was, I would guess it was Saber. Just because he didn't seem like he was much exposed to the real world, but he is gorgeous. You did a lot of really good work with Saber. He will just need more riding time to fulfill his real potential. If I would have to guess Saber's breeding, he looks to be from Sheila Varian's lines. She bred for horses that excelled in the halter ring, but were also required to be great performance horses before she would keep them in her breeding program.
Which is how all stewards of any breed should be.
This horse looks to be dragging his hind legs in the dirt a lot. Is that because he is not used to rounding himself and he is tired?
I like that you are so fair with the horses you work, with but you don't take any nonsense from them either. Too many people don't understand being balanced with animal handling. A bit of correction with the little things stop them from becoming behaviors that get people hurt.
It is a really long mental leap to think that pulling a horse's head to the side and making him circle for a little while is abuse. That was nothing more than a gentle, no don't do that moment.
Have a great weekend.
Good morning all. Great job as always Tim. thank you Tim & Melinda for video.😁
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Woody is much more balanced than the other halter horses. (I couldn't remember their names if my life depended upon it! LOL) He looks like he would be a very comfortable ride once he is passed the "temper tantrums". In particular, his jog looks very comfortable to sit.
The details about hand placement, which rein, which leg you are using. All of this is helpful. Thanks. Spurs seem to be a way to focus the request. They work well.
To me, this horse looks like he is two different horses glued together, just in front of the hips. His front end is not too bad, even comely.
The bulging muscles in his gaskins betray his halter horse heritage because his gaskins are grossly disproportionate to the rest of his musculature. His rump has such a steep angle and his hocks are so low that he literally can’t pick his feet up and get them underneath himself properly.
I don’t know if his poor attitude has developed because of his hind end issues or for some other reason, but there is not one moment in this video where he seemed willing to work. I hope he can get over that. Like you said, it’s horses with that kind of attitude that tend to end up in kill pens.
I can tell that you are devoted to making something of him so that he doesn’t meet that fate. I truly hope that you can.
He's pretty, but I could never ride a horse that shuffles that way. I like to ride out, and a horse that doesn't pick its feet up is not for me.
I really, really like this horse. Like his top line, and he has a nice long underline and depth thru the heart! He moves nice.....In my mind I see him excelling in ranch work.....bet he takes to cattle in a good way! He has some spunky but a brain, too! I'm going to be looking forward to more on Woody!!
Sadly today's (stock breed) halter horses are no longer form to function. I do hope the trend comes back to horses who have some angle and larger feet.
He’s a handsome bugger. Not a fan of halter bred horses, but the cow bred makes him acceptable. Love your techniques.
Another great video, thankyou
You can always tell a halter bred one , Their back legs are too straight which restricts their hind movement
The old saying 'pretty is as pretty does' to me explains halter horses. I wouldn't buy a halter bred Quarter horse, it would have to a reining or cutting bred if I bought one.
Good looking horse!!
I appreciate all the videos you share of your training. They are so helpful and this horse specifically reminds me of my horse at the moment.... Throws temper tantrums and has not developed a good work ethic!
You do such a good job correcting him. He is a beautiful horse ❤🐴
What is your approach to horses that have an attitude when riding? Crow hops, kicks or bucks?
That's what this horse in this video did.
Sure is a pretty horse. Hopefully with this training he will overcome his issues. And become a really nice horse to ride.
I'm sure that some of Tim's cattle move - or at least appear to move! - more freely than do some of the 'halter-bred' horses I've seen him working with, at least in the early stages of his schooling them.
It's a huge pity such attractive looking animals are not even more attractive when moving, as by rights they should be. I've seen a great many superficially quite 'plain' looking horses transform themselves when they start moving, but only very rarely the opposite.
Agreed.. I must have beautiful and beautiful movers. I had the ugliest appy POA until he moved. Man that pony was gorgeous moved like a TB hunter so athletic!
Great learning for me
I notice with the halter bred horses, they do not track up well with their hind legs.Lola was one of the worst, but I guess her injury contributed to that. Hopefully you can help him become more athletic, though some people don't want their horses too athletic🤣
Thanks for the video - Tabor City, NC
I could see an improvement in how he moved after some work. I just dont get this American thing of breeding horses just to show in hand.
How do these type of horses do with riding on the trail and doing faster work? I am used to TB's and WBs so have no experience with this type of horse.
Agree; I am used to ridden Arabians, TBs, British/European native ponies, and their crosses. What I would describe as 'free movement' is a fundamental part of their very being, and, frankly, the purpose of their existence.
Nevertheless, this is a good-looking horse who seems to responding well to his training.
I truly think some AQHA owners are afraid of athletic horses. It takes higher skill to ride a hot horse who can move.
Pretty is as pretty does! I’m trying to learn how to properly use long reins. You are my go to. I can tell right off the bat my hands are all over the place. One of the problems my horse came with is putting his head as high as he can during haltering/bridleing and running backwards.He’s come a long way but is stiff. (Doesn’t run backwards, though 😅)However, when riding he still tries carrying his head way up and is hollow backed. How do you fix that? Do you still keep your hands in the same position or up with his head ?
He’s pretty and his back end IS better looking than most halter horses. He doesn’t seem able to come under much behind tho.
@timandersonhorsetraining I finally figured you were talking about Lola. She has that gym pretty look, but she doesn't move well and had pain issues.
I admit the big beauties are attractive. Who doesnt appreciate the beauty of musculature? But the fun of horses isn't leading them around. Maybe I am missing something.
He isn't lame just the way he is bred. Terrible. Great video!
Good lesson!!
He has a nice jog. Looking forward to seeing him progressing.
I fell in this training trap with my mare. I taught her to stop off two rein contact. Now I struggle with teaching collection
Tight hindquarters lacking reach and mobility seem to be the limiting factor in halter horses. Kind of like the artificial hip slope German Shepherd breeders have pursued to the detriment of the animals. Have you noticed any chronic problems as halter horses age, Tim? Fortunately, this horse looks to have escaped the worst of it.
They get navicular and HYPP
@@seneynahno HYPP unless they have the gene. HYPP N/N means not a carrier, don't have it can't pass it on.
The current disease AQHA is perpetuating is HERDA, which is a cutting bred disease. But they have to have 2 copies for it to be expressed.
What sin did Woody commit that brought down the wrath of Tim?
About 13:35 Woody makes a little protest about spurs telling him to go forward.
Kicked at his spur
Very informative. I really don't understand the whole halter horse thing.
Throwing a temper tantrum.. typical toddler😂
Moves a little bit freer with his rear legs than the other ones
woody drives better with his hind so he looks light in front and more balanced legs in front not so straight in the pasterns so doesn't seems as choppy
His chest is not so wide and front legs move forward a little more freely
Can I ask what type of bit that is your using I really like it.
Can't get that exact bit anymore but this is very close. The Bob Avila Collection by Professionals Choice Equine Signature Shank Copper Port Bit (Medium) a.co/d/ciTYWjD
@@timandersonhorsetraining thanks!
If you want big and pretty and athletic, get a 'traditional' Morgan. 😊
when and why do you move from a snaffle bit into a leverage bit?
Tim has videos on his bits that might answer your question.
How do you keep a horse from dropping in at the shoulder?
Ride forward and leg yield.
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The horse has a limp on the back left leg ..
Love the vid but carful with the spurs
I asked my dressage instructor about using spurs, she prefers a whip. She says you don’t want to use spurs to get forward because what are you going to use when teaching more complex commands? I really want to use spurs to get him round and I struggle using a whip in my hand. But dressage has more complex moves which is why they use whip AND spurs.
Lol. Dressage maneuvers are not more complex than reining maneuvers. I expect my cow horses to do a travers while matching a cow's speed going down the fence. Try asking a dressage horse for that at a wide open run.
That explanation you got was just straight up stupid and ignorant. You can do all kinds of things in all kinds of tack or no tack at all. also shows your trainer talks bs while unknowingly showing a massive lack of knowledge (about western disciplines/maneuvers).
You can use spurs and whip or just one or the other. The spurs needed for higher level work was because the FEI required spurs for tests just like they used to require a double bridle. My Grand Prix mare scores better at FEI in the snaffle and I rarely trained or warmed up on spurs (changed that when I got eliminated at I-1 for no spurs). But…she was very attuned to my body. You can ride an entire Grand Prix text bareback on her and you can do tempis/piaffe/passage in a halter and bareback.(. Pirouettes get a little large in a halter but that may be me and my balance). You actually just have to think what movement you want and it’s there
But-I ride all my young ones in spurs and often a whip as well. I need tools if they do something like stop and think they don’t need to go forward or need to bend through their ribs. Then those aids go away as they get more and more balanced and sensitized to my seat.
Pretty in the head/neck department
Isn't he.. limping, though? Right hind leg..
Can you share a link for the reins you use? I’m always looking for good weighted reins
These are the reins I am using in this video. amzn.to/4aL3FK2
@@timandersonhorsetraining thank you!! Love watching your videos!
I notice there's no clucking to encourage movement. I believe my tongue would be numb from smooching during this. I cannot recall if you adressed clucking on other videos, so now I am curious.
I do use cluck for forward sometimes but when a horse already is saying not like this one did the whole time but clucking you are just desensitizing that cue.
@@timandersonhorsetraining That makes sense. I often quit clucking if I don't feel the peak of intent, or picking up the rythm. I can see how his response, or lack of, to the spurs would cause me to add clucking, but it is better that you save it for later.
Yeah i too dont get the hallter horse thing. I know what halter class is.
I saw your other channel. You got some load on you plate. Anything I can do for you, just ask. I get it.
Dude I realize I am being rude here but the horse doesn’t have a voice. Please consider the workload you put on a horse. The horse thinks feels needs and wants. You are every bit of 300 pounds. That is an immense demand on horses.
Rude, uncalled for and not accurate
??? 300? You need glasses dude
This man is very experienced in training horses of all breeds and sizes and also riders. He has owned and trained champion reining horses. Tim knows what he is doing. He is only 5'5" and there's no way he is anywhere near 300 lbs!
He's only 5ft3 -, if he weighed 300 pounds he would barely be able to walk. Precisely why good riders KNOW their horses and their abilities. Wow, I bet you really hate the Tevis Cup (bet you don't know what it is do yoh?)
@@karensmart9334 he is 5 ft 5 in. So I take that back - about 250 with the saddle. 🤷♀️ Some basic math. Say the horse is 1k pounds and the rule of thumb is 20% maximum workload - it’s evident to see that horse should not carry more than 200 pounds. That mean’s maximum work load. The horse is being asked to work beyond its capacity- even if the total value is 200 pounds that is still maximum work load. Tevis Cup does push a horse to a level that is not natural for a horse. Not a fan.