What are Psychopaths For? Professor Shadd Maruna of Queen's University Belfast.
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- Professor Shadd Maruna of Queen's University Belfast examines and addresses a set of problems around a group of offenders deemed by society to be permanently dangerous: psychopaths, in the Centre for Crime and Justice Research's 4th Annual Lecture.
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It’s a pretty weird theory that we need psychopaths as some type of scapegoat. It’s clear this person hasn’t had an up close and personal encounter with a psychopath. For me it’s simply an example of how experience is more valuable than education. You can read a million books and listen to a million lectures on the subject but unless you’ve had a real encounter with one, you just really don’t know.
Agreed.
My wife of 20yrs is just the poor cousin of a psychopath just being a sociopath. That she had the life smirked at when Hare describes it at the expense of myself and family needs a label and a name. To belittle the damage these types do, especially those who are criminal, is why many have little time for penal reform or more humane treatments. There clearly are types of behaviour that are psychopathic/sociopathic. Academics arguing over the definition of it doesn't change the real world.
Fear creatures that hijack people's minds at times it becomes a forever situation were you are simply their cat on earth..
He has experience a psychopath alright he is simply an enabler.
Perhaps he is gaslighting us?
Exactly, and having an encounter with one has driven me to search for answers.
The internet is a true blessing to the world.
I lived with one for 12 years and knew him well for 5 years prior and he has stalked me ever since. He caused great harm in my life, physical, mental and emotional. At a young age he had sharpened instincts on others weakness and exploited them for his gain. His emotional range was shallow unless he did not get his way and then he would become very connected emotionally. He sought power because he felt powerless. He sought pleasure without holding back because he was miserable. He abused because of his underdevopment. He had a mixture of grand sense of self from his ability to fool people and prided himself on being a good actor but it was not enough to fill the whole void of worthlessness so he would try to destroy people...to bring them to his level to relieve those feelings. These people feel negative emotions in powerful ways but are numb in many others areas. They cause great harm to people and themselves. They lack regard for anyone else and react like a drowning person when help arrives. People should beware. There is damn good cause. The only good thing that came from this for me in my healing was he forced me to close any gaps of weakness and vulnerability. I had no choice but to create strong boundaries in my life so people like this could not get a foot in the door. I still have PTSD because of my dealings with this person.
Wow... describe psychopath to the point... sending you love and loads of it.. stay safe... I am also on my healing journey... I hope I can recover and learn to live again... I wish same for you sister...
Did you listen to the talk? It argues AGAINST the notion that psychopathy is a viable diagnosis.
Yes. May justice happen thrice for such a person. Amen.
Cannot agree with this man. That he doesn't know the difference between superficial charm and real charm is really quite shocking becasue it is so simple. The difference is sincerity. If you use charm to impress, manipulate or to make yourself look good then thats superficial. if your goal is to just be nice to those around you and facilitate mutually beneficial collaboration then its sincere because the goal is not exclusively selfish.
And where did you study psychological science? Google?
Agree 100%
I used to think of all psychopaths as violent serial killers. They're not. The false charm is the key. The psychopath who stalked my family for years was my terminally diagnosed infant's clinical trial nurse who moved from 3 states away to within 5 miles of my house to covertly stalk our family, contact my and my husband's associates and extended family and harass me through 3rd parties. I didn't know until 3 years after she'd moved near us what she'd been doing. She came into my home with a "kind" smile and the most insidious of intentions, to try to break up my marriage so she could be with my husband, offering to give our daughter special needs yoga lessons. She'd been briefly in the Peace Corp, cultivating a trustworthy image. I only knew for sure the motives and activities she'd been hiding when shortly after my husband and I finally separated owing to her interferes. She could no longer resist bragging about of stalking prowess. Because of this woman's disruptions our older daughter attempted suicide, nearly successfully. These kinds of people can be every bit as dangerous as the Ted Bundy's of the world, and often escape any repercussions for their conduct, doing it over repeatedly and revelling in the drama the stir up. This woman was so proud to inform me that she'd snagged her first husband with similar tactics. Before I learned more about psychopathy, I'd thought her conduct the desperate actions of a homely woman. I now know that no level of physical deformity justifies such insanely manipulative, self-serving actions as hers. This, too, is the portrait of a psychopath, not just the rare chainsaw killer.
@@sandrajunghall9725 Indeed. These people are sprinkled all around and do tremendous harm and damage in the world.
Your belief that your discernment is so fine-tuned that you can determine another person's motives (superficial vs. sincere charm) from the outside is interesting. Hubris is one reason why psychopaths freely wander the earth, committing acts of destruction and harm to the rest of us.
12:15 "English accent"? Hopkins has a Welsh accent, admittedly slight but still Welsh.
Perhaps one of the biggest things missed from this talk is that the vast majority of psychopaths are not in fact in prison.
Many studies have been done on psychopathy with regards to those in positions of power, responsibility and leadership.
If that's true can you please link us to the studies. Researchers I've been following stopped their work.. The biggest problem researchers have faced is the lack of participation from potential psychopaths in positions of power. So all they have is data on prison populations, which is very limited set of parameters to come to conclusions. A) Prison is a harsh place.
@@Quiintus7 It turned out to be wrong. That's why they stopped people aren't good at spotting psychopaths it takes a long period of behavior the odds that they're in leadership positions are very slim. These people are mind numbingly lazy entitled, but on the outside totally harmless. They are predatory, not combative. People thing narcissistic assholes are psychopaths but they aren't they're just combative & hard to deal with. psychopaths aren't hard to deal with in fact they're easy to deal with, and just "accidentally hurt you but because they're so good" a psychopath will figure out how to live like a ceo without the responsibility of a ceo if that makes sense.
Absolutely!
@@CobraAquinas do Psychopaths easily get bored. There seems to be so many varieties. This is because every psychopath has a mixed of all sorts of other trials and it is hard to tell exactly what a “pure psychopath” would be like? Can a non-criminal, calm and methodical surgeon be considered to be a psychopath? It seems like the term psychopath it is poorly defined.
The populist belief that there are large numbers of psychopaths "in positions of power" is directly contradicted by the nature of the disorder. People with antisocial personalities have a very difficult time holding a job, let alone succeeding at one. Professional researchers go to prisons, drug rehabs and mental hospitals to study psychopaths because that's where most of them end up. The construct of the "high-functioning psychopath", while popular in pseudo-psychological circles on the internet, is dubious and unfounded.
I'm not convinced by his arguments that we love to hate the psychopath and secretly admire them and are jealous of them. I think that is wrong. I don't know where he gets this idea from and I am just a little bit suspicious of where his mind is at. I see nothing about them to envy' They are all ugly in my opinion - no matter how physically attractive they are. It is true that they can be superficially charming but it doesn't ring true and doesn't fool you for long. In the presence of these entities your spider sense 'tingles' something does not feel right about them. They put you on edge all the time - some part of your instinct screams a warning. And then you get an epiphany when you see the smirk for the first time. That little unconscious smirk when they have caused harm or mayhem - the little reaction to the burst of dopamine they get when their predatory act scores a hit. Everyone who has suffered in the proximity of these creatures knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Actually, I think the 'charm' of the psychopath is highly overrated, something promoted by Hollywood rather than stemming from reality.
I have encountered psychopaths, and they are creepy, not charming. Some are socially clumsy, some have social expertise - I think that's a matter of intelligence and background, though, not a defining element one way or the other.
WarningDoNotCover I know exactly what you are talking about, I agree 100% with absolutely everything single word you have stated. I would like to add that they are in fact the cancer of the human species. The quote "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" applies perfectly to the question in matter, that´s what psychopaths/narcissists are for in my humble opinion
You mean the guy actually has a point of view? Between the verbal stumbling and so forth I kept losing track of everything he was saying.
Let me guess, your exam was a psychopath?
LastCastle Totally agreed! Most psychopaths are dysfunctional in orbital frontal cortex, prefrontal cortex and amygdala which means they lack the emotional ability to identify social emotional cues because they have severe ADHD and reduced sized amygdala. I worked with psychopath who is a successful criminal lawyer. Everyone in the firm knew he was weird because he is emotionally flat, cold and is a workaholic. Psychopaths don’t understand social reciprocity or emotional connection. Some psychopaths don’t even care about sex because they are hypo-sexual. Most successful psychopaths are hyper focused on whatever they like and it’s usually work, the wife or girlfriend is just to take care of the home and their needs. They don’t care to spend time with family more than work. When their brain can’t process Oxytocin, which is the love bonding hormone, they do not feel love or emotional connection. It’s all cold calculation of relationship to benefit them. They have dysfunction in processing dopamine so the thrill we get by watching a horror movie they need to go climb Mount Everest to get the same thrill because they need excessive dopamine to feel any thrill like us. One psychopath told me he never experienced runner’s high even though he runs 10 km a day everyday. That’s the reason why they do not feel fear or experience fear like us, low arousal is the issue.
I stopped listening at 02.30 when 'Common Purpose' was mentioned in the sense they are striving towards this. Enough said for me!
it took me about 40 min to notice this, what a bs
maybe psychopats had a role in the past in being able to defend or attack groups of enemies, competing for a territory? I'm very curious and I will listen carefully. Certainly, it's a fascinating issue.
You raise a good point. I've also wondered if sociopaths and psychopaths have brought some evolutionary advantage to humans overall that, at one time at least, outbalanced their drawbacks and dangers.
Correct.
@@esslar1 absolutely. People who score high on the antisocial personality disorder spectrum were at the top of the pack throughout evolution, and they still remain there.
I wonder if believing the psychopath is only a social construct and a way of scapegoating undesirable qualities in ourselves is a huge error and danger to the course of human growth and sanity. To me it seems counter intuitive....If a person is uncaring of human qualities, but recognises and seeks them out to acrue their needs , whether they be health, wealth and success, at any cost, surely that is harmful to the collective? To calculate and show no signs of remorse about whatever the cost to others, is detrimental to the collective. Whether on an individual or organisational level. Making excuses for this behaviour and placing blame with humans who try to think of others with value, care and regard seems distorted and presumptuous, most of us are aware of our imperfections and try not to hurt others or blame them for our own flaws. It's not the title 'psychopath' that bothers me, its the apathy and excusing and negating the fact that some humans are dangerous. It is important to allow people to grow and learn from their mistakes and having a negative connotation is a thing, but to totally dismiss its existence seems very risky and blasé. Have you ever met a psychopath outside of film characters?? It's not a case of hiding from self reflection here, it's a real danger whatever you wish to call it... But at least we are free to share our opinions and experiences, as just one view keeps us in the dark.
Agree 100%.
Wouldn’t psychopaths be needed in certain aspects of society? I’m thinking bomb disposal expert, military shock troops, hand to hand combat ... they’re fearless and adventurous, high risk taking. I’m thinking of the film The Dirty Dozen. They have their place.
Exactly, jobs that require a lot of objective reasoning and have high risk outcomes, for instance working as a surgeon. What am I closest friends became a child advocacy lawyer, he took his own life when he lost a case that led to a toddler age child being sent back to the parent who had been physically and sexually assaulting her. Because there was an error in legal in procedure, the case got called a mistrial. It was horrible. My friend went straight to the tenderloin district after court, where he scored a bunch of pills and died. If he was a psychopath, he wouldn't have felt bad and would still be alive.
@@Pugetwitch IF he were a psychopath, he probably wouldn't be doing that job.
@@samuelf5985 yeah, he probably would have became a cop instead of a child abuse prosecutor. I'm not sure why I even mentioned him in that comment. I've been going through a lot of trauma and I had a really bad time when I lost a lot of people in my life, so something that day made me think of my friend. it was a poor example, but it was really hard finding out that he died. I also was attacked by a sociopath recently, he hit me so hard in my head that I had a concussion and my tooth still might fall out. I have to go get x-rays.
@@Pugetwitch Holy shit man, I hope you can create some distance from such people and process the loss.
Every person who comes into contact with evil will lead a hundred more to good.
That's not true.
That doesn't make sense.
Wow:) because we would never want that 11 year damage from workplace maniacs to happen to anyone else decent-that is, if God gave us conscience and soul layers.
I agree, but only if that person is ‘normal’.
Clinical Psychopaths usually end up working for "GCHQ" and "MI5", where you "British" people live, in the United Kingdom. After reading the "Snowden Leaks", only a Clinical Psychopath would use the phrases "Deny, Degrade, Distrupt, Destroy" and so on, in their Powerpoint Presentation. I've noticed that all "United States Central Intelligence Agency Employees" in the United States have an "Artificial Charm" and are very cunning and manipulative. I believe the "United States Central Intelligence Agency Employees" are all "Clinical Psychopaths", because this is the trait they want their Agents to possess.
Clinical Psychopaths don't 'usually' end up working for MI5 etc., though I'm sure most spies are psychopaths. One would need to be cold and unattached to family for such a job. However, your average clinical psychopath is too unreliable and braggadocious for top-secret work.
Psychopaths definitely fantasise about such jobs and, as conmen, often claim to work as spies. They will only seek out power in every given situation but are often too talentless and lazy to achieve it. They end up driven to scaping-the-bottom-of-the-barrel by predating the most vulnerable, such as children, in order to create their own little 'kingdom' at home, where there is no competition for their crown.
Not true, this type of thing was proposed but it isn't the case, a psychopath is out for themselves they wouldn't risk their health to work for any agency & they surely wouldn't be discovered. they are typically calm, never planning ahead always spur of the moment bullshit. They don't get anything out of the "look at me I'm a tough guy" routine they prey in the dark & get their kicks convincing people they would never hurt anyone, and if they did it isn't their fault. It's a common misconception because the real psychopaths among us are so hard to spot you almost hate yourself for not seeing it. You're describing an egotistical Machiavellian type that plans ahead etc.
A number of people in my family are veterans, some of very violent conflicts and others of peacetime, and a number within those also served in military intelligence. One of my uncles is a marine corps colonel and he wrote the field manual for counter intel and interrogation. He used to make his house up as a haunted house for halloween, until me and some other kids went through and it broke us down into sobbing messes. Hes probably a sociopath or psychopath given how instinctively he flays minds but hes also one of the best men ive ever known. I trust him with that power, because he did come understand it more fully when he saw what it did to children. So probably a sociopath but these conditions do not preclude being good or honest. Those are choices, and sometimes very bad, sick, twisted people choose to use what they are cursed with to bring about some kind of good. Or at the very least, the cessation of some other evil. You dont have to regard them as heroes, but some of the people youre talking about are my family and i have the same genes and many of the same innate abilities so i have to believe such people can be good. That they can be more than their demons. One of my great uncles, at least one, skinned nazi SS troopers that had been awarded a special medal by hitler for a massacre carried out on an allied hospital the previous year. My uncle fell back past that hospital and had to watch, helpless. He repayed the men in kind. Pychotic behavior? Almost certainly. But was it truly morally wrong? Im still not sure.
Why all those quotations and capitalizations?
SPOT ON
An outstanding example of "Truth in Labelling"
I took an interest in War stories, played Cowboys and Indians etc, as a kid, and only realised that Heroic behaviour has to be Psychopathic, calm, considered and on point when called up by Conscription. If the labelled person is defending a group such as a Platoon, or Corporation, they are Heroic, but when they get 500X the income of the Workers at the expense of the business, and make obscene profits from mass destruction, then they are "Snakes in Suits".
The Legal Profession is built on the framework of Mercenary Warfare after the 30 years War, so we are informed by Historians, a point to consider when encountering the participants.
Dr Sapolsky's assessment of the "Political" behaviour in Baboons is a shortend story that fits the range of probabilities mould, of re-evolution potential possibilities confined by the Form following e-Pi-i sync-duration Function condensed in/of numberness, ..in this heirachical dominance structure that is general bio-logical pulse-evolution, Gaian Planetary Ecology.
There's a particular method of argument where you strenuously avoid talking about the damage that X causes, all while saying many things to undermine the negative names given to X. It takes skill to avoid mentioning the elephant in the room over prolonged periods, but I'd say it's fairly manipulative. And the more skill used the more manipulative it is.
I love the passion, delivery and attitude, and opposing viewpoints to the conventional wisdom. Most certainly the offenders/defendants diagnosed as psychopaths deserve fair and reasonable defense in and out of court.
Personally I disagree with Professor Maruna for most of the 50 minutes and look forward to viewing more of similar viewpoints. I am sure also Dr. Hare would enjoy being disagreed with as much as I, in fact he had said as much to me in recent years. Keep up the good work and the passion.
Brilliant, balanced and accessible. Thank you!
There is not such thing as a psychopath???? Are you off your freaking rocker. This guy is nothing but a an enabler. The Truth 2% of the population (estimated) 20% of the prison population and responsible for 80% of the serious crimes. NOW does that sound lie a bunch of people that just does not exist?
I think this talk only covers half of the paradox of the psychopathic narrative. Professor Maruna arrives at it when discussing the differing notions of evil at the end of the lecture. Professor Maruna defines one perspective as assuming evil is inherent, and another perspective as assuming that evil is created by less than ideal social structures. The problem with explaining psychopathy by reference to social structures is that it is ambiguous how much social structure research we would actually need to "identify" which parts are causing psychopathy. So long as we remain fixed to the label of psychopath we are avoiding the real theoretical implications of social science oriented around social structures. It is impossible to tell if researching social structures would ever reveal anything like a "psychopath" as we now understand it. Professor Maruna, and whoever else reads this comment, remember this: down with institutional psychology, down with essentialist diagnostic psychology, and down with idea that teetering on the edge of these beliefs as a self-defined "skeptic" is anything other than continuing the decadent, ineffective legacy of state psychology. Forego the academy. Forego capital.
Now, I may be simple country chicken but isn't the inability to feel compassion the basis of psychopathy? What else do you need?
Most other associated behaviors are subject to circumstance but that one crucial deficiency is not. You can see it on an MRI.
It's real and it's very, very problematic.
@Panderichthys rhombolepis th-cam.com/video/7ij_1SQqbVo/w-d-xo.html
It's a Futurama reference, dearie.
In that light I guess all that is needed is a way to know how other people are ‘feeling’ without magnetic imaging.
Psychopaths can turn it off *(compassion) and on…in my mind, THAT is the crux of the danger because it is how they snare targets-they are giving true vibes of compassion *(not as high perhaps but exists), they are giving true external expression of feelings then they will simply turn it off or as I have heard one say, ‘I just quit caring’ *which took me a solid 10 years to understand what he meant and by the way, his entire language was what I called, a riddle puzzle of utter strangeness of never matching/never aligning/never lining up with his actions. I called him an alien robot pretending to be a human but doing a really terrible acting job on it. They also stare a little too long-found out later it’s called a predatory stare.
The guy I am talking about was very warm, very kind, very caring-I felt it. Then he turned it off…told me he just stopped caring. So when I researched, I found this is actually a thing they do-chameleon/masking so on.
They are missing part of their frontal lobe. Genetic. Possible white/grey matter pruning issue?
@@sion1138 love that show
@@michelemurphy3541 And he never cared again after that? No relapse?
You give a good talk, but, obviously you have never been targeted by a true psychopath...well, that is a good thing, I hope you never experience this particular horror.
Your former boyfriend doesn't count. but statistically speaking psychopaths can be found in politics, military, the court systems and wall street etc.
quite the titles, was it a diagnosis by a licensed psychologist.
Larklouise Winslow Sure. The horror...The horror... X
Yes it seems strange that he takes bits of the diagnose from the whole checklist, it's not about people jealousness of psychopaths ability to have lots of sex. The core component of psychopathy is lack of affective empathy and remorse, which makes person like that very damaging to the society and other people. For whatever reason he did not mention that.
@@ptrads3827 Most videos on TH-cam on psychopathy are off the mark! You'd swear they are being presented by the very psychopaths!
Psychopaths are similar to insects. There is nothing for me to envy about them.
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what
+Aivottaja Long green legs ?
Haha huh?? What are the exact similarities between insects and Psychopaths? Enlighten me please.
@@clintonkinsey482 Psychopaths dont bare the burden of a conscience....
I know what you mean.
The scapegoat idea only potentially works from the perception of a 'normal' person. Science has a way of wanking itself with definitions and language.. fumbling around with binary thinking and dynamic spectra at the same time, and chucking in some theology to really confuse the shit out of itself - in this case. Psychopathism is a force. Intuition and self-trust is the shield.
Psychopathy* not psychopathism
Thank you for your great information on such types of people.
There is a con artist and they are psychopaths and there are good salespeople. The difference between the two is morals and ethics but both can appear the same.
the difference is , say for instance, when you end up in a friendship with one(a psychopath) and see them lying pathologically to someone else, the feeling of witnessing that is shocking in a way that seeing a normal person lie would not come close to, it is supernatural
Jeez, this guy is saying he struggles with the same behaviors the psychopath engages in??? lol I'm not sure this is the guy we should be listening to on this topic, if hat's the case. @45:25
I'm an atheist-leaning agnostic and I sure as heck don't fantasize about "unending trivial sexual encounters" and I also do not detect ANY *jealousy* in Hare's statement, either (read: it's a PROJECTION of Maruna's inner feelings).
This left me with the impression that Professor Maruna admires psychopaths? Sheesh, what is Prof. Maruna, a narcissist?
Hard to listen to this guy, and that's unusual for someone who would prefer spending their Friday and/or Saturday nights attending a lecture.
EDIT: After listening to the end, I'm actually embarrassed for this Professor. I'm not a fan of Robert Hare, but I respect his work and research (albeit a bit skewed all coming from a prison, when Wall Street and Billionaire's row in NYC would be a more dense population of psychopaths). Does Maruna NOT understand that it is not uncommon for psychopaths to EAT human flesh? I mean, these are twisted, deviant, psychologically traumatizing people.
I would LOVE to see this Professor give this lecture to Special Agents in the FBI. I think they would be professionally polite, and then roll laughing AT HIM once he is in the car on the way back to his hotel.
Society needs to be PROTECTED FROM PSYCHOPATHS, so his little slide that claims that the diagnosis of psychopath doesn't help the psychopaths is pretty damn irrelevant. You don't need to protect psychopaths from society, as we don't rape, torture, or eat them. Sheesh, has this man ever even interviewed psychopaths or is he solely reading other people's research.
This is just embarassing, and if he is trying to make a name for himself, he sure is, but not in a good way.
exactly my impression, I left it around the min 40 to 50 when I realized this "professor" , to say the least, is working to protect psychopaths from future potential punishment by instilling/injecting this malignant notion in academia , and this sort of strategy can only come from a psychopathic mind and financed by psychopaths themselves.
We have been conditioned, when concentrating on a given subject, to block out other concerns. Sometimes that is necessary. We don't need to deal with the irrelevant and extraneous.
But too often we block out that which is very pertinent and relevant and, in so doing, miss the salient points entirely.
For instance: Everything that Robert Hare has written on the topic of Psychopathy has been as a White Occupier of Native Canada, who takes the occupation as a so for-granted, unquestioned and unquestionable that he doesn't consider it at all. The society about which he writes, and within the context of which he compares "normal" to Psychopathic, is a given for him. He never questions the most Psychopathic elements of his society. In that state of utter dissociation, he then defines who is normal and who is deranged morally.
I doubt the people on Turtle Island would see him as perfectly normal.
We, in turn, are also sucked into this dissociation when we read his books or see his videos.
What I'm saying is true of all of the researchers in the countries involved in Imperialism. Everything they say about Psychopathy must be understood as being uttered by people in Psychopathic dissociation themselves.
Let's train our minds to see more of the whole picture as a general practice.
Doreen Dotan ...excellent observation, comment...thank you.
Oh my god, I love this guy lol I'm only a few minutes into his speech, and he's just awesome 😅
Society needs a constant scapegoat, a witch, a bogeyman, the bad guy; something usually beyond understanding, mystical and mysterious, an enigmatic figure ...
it takes to experience one at a personal level to understand that they do exist, and it is as pathological as it gets, that the bogeyman construct is pretty real and it's there for that solid reason.
After reading the comments, I assume that “online-audience” is better educated, informed and - sadly - experienced with psychopaths then that speaker on my screen.
So, I don’t wanna waste my time here.
"evil is other people"
Some people should opt out of public speaking. Very tiresome to stay attentive to this stuttering and speed speaking but the topic is so interesting
so ,,,,no matter if you lie, cheat, have stabbed all your friends in the back haved caused pain with no remorse for pretty much all your life - compared to someone who didn t do any of these, and still regrets even things he's been long forgiven about...yea, no difference here, i guess, nothing to see oh, .and that corporate life? a blessing for the soul, really. those HR directors are angels from heaven doing god's work!
Survival is indicated in the wide variety of personality types within the human gene pool. It takes all kinds.
Psychopaths are focused too much on survival. Everyone is an enemy.
funny how much apology of the psychopath you're sprinkling here in the comments
I have literally been gaslighted by 4 out of 6 psychiatrists who by blind adherence to biased beliefs or intentional diminishment of people who challenge their assumptions. Only one of those was probably an actual psychopath, and most if not all have relieved suffering in one way or another, and about two thirds believe themselves to be benign at worst. But the whole ‘discipline’ of criminology has, at least until recently, obtusely ignored the contexts that allow extraordinary protection of the law to the empowered and disproportionate exposure to prohibition and sanctions that marginalised groups are exposed to. It is hard to shake the sense that we do according to perceived need and threat tempered or emboldened by what we feel able to get away with.
But obviously the first work that needs to be done is to define the term psychopathy in the more natural environment, not by studying humanity in captivity and pretending that the view is not blinkered.
Just look at generational bloodlines of the so-called "famous" & otherwise Privileged. See mixed male-female anatomy? "They" run things, and now MIX male-female anatomical differences in medical materials -- to hide the obvious signs to watch out for, although not All of mixed anatomy are actually "Evil", but, usually acting without conscience, when it Matters.
Do you have schizophrenia?
okay mate, I will listen to you - coz I was about clicking away when saw the man finding things under the table and conveniently reading his stuff bent over the desk
He is very smart,
Shadd Maruna!! I was shocked to see your lecture pop up on my TH-cam. This is Celia... Alan's sister. Remember me? I'd love to talk.. get in touch with me!!!
To A Mishel: His full name Robert D. Hare, it's fare to assume the D would be David and this professor knows him personally enough to call him by either.
If a phycopathic individual wants to get better so one doesn't pass phycopathic tendency on to their child/s how or what kind of programming are there
Behavioral modification for the child when they are very young, starting 1-2 years old *(infant even). It is a brain difference. Frontal lobe deficits of either white or gray matter (can’t remember which at this moment).
Hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Solzhenitsyn and many death camp survivors would agree that psychopathy is in everyone and a mask assumed by those who choose it.
Your claim that everyone is evil is intended to excuse your own behaviors.
genetics massively come into play here
Are there social psychology department projects to Target individuals to see who is a phyco and how to solve the past mistakes the targets made
Psycho* and they arent necessarily “mistakes” although from the psychopaths perspective they may be
I've heard somewhere that psychopaths are born.
This guy is way off the mark. To suggest psychopaths were "created" as a scapegoat to satisfy some inner need is absurd. Notice he suggests that there is research now emerging which contradicts the findings of Hare and Cleckly which is at least 10 years old. It is academically irresponsible to claim "new research" which is older than the research it is supposed to refute. He's wasted many people's time, including his own.
Like many other videos here on TH-cam, most are completely off the mark, you'd swear they are being presented by psychopaths themselves.
@@Turtleback8024 as a sociopath I can say they you have successfully seen through his trick 😂🤣 Machiavellianism is a bitch
@@Caretakxr yeah they are none for being good liers and storytellers most people would be fooled but the few will see the bullshit
Do you hold a PhD in psychology???
Theory’s should be respected.. they are not known as absolute truth.. you should know that and keep an open mind. Just because one study contradicts it, doesn’t mean you get to act like a leading psychologist.
@@vela-rn2jz but practice and real life experience out weights theory at large, and that man is up to some bad bs
It seems to me that the text at 41:50 about protecting oneself form psychopaths contains the same basic drive that those behaving psychopathically have misconceived as self interest, the focus on minimising the harm to oneself that excludes consideration of harm to others and our inherent interconnection. The comfort taken from the story of the psychopath is that they are not us.
Where can I get a pdf of this lecture. So helpful. Thank you
I thought Conduct Disorder in children under 15 was thought to be an early precursor to adult pyschopathy, and that treating children with Conduct Disorder was thought to prevent them from developing full blown Pyschopathy? As I understand it, Conduct Disorder is treated by teaching Empathy and Socialisation, acceptable as opposed to non acceptable behaviour etc.
I am always struck by defendants who make am issue of psycopathy during the penalty phase of a trial.
Sir (or Madame), you were just convicted of a crime and now you want to quibble that people are calling you a psychopath?
Every psychopath I've ever seen seems to be nothing more than a morbid persecution complex.
The Panglossian Paradigm: Psychology Edition.
Heavy stuttering while hunched over the podium to read his text is a bit much. But it’s nowhere near as obviously affected as almost every up speaking, back of the throat male newscaster on MSNBC or CNN at any given time of the day..
I'm not sure that I believe that some people are incapable of or naturally resistent to the development of a chosen character, but it does seem that some people for some reason develop no character and as a result are subject to unregulated development of anti-social explorations that become habits or patterns that if found to be rewarding may amplify into offensive and criminal criminal behaviors.
I was marry to a 🤬 what professor described, every each one I experienced. It was a nightmare. They can not change. They are who they are as born.
It's NOT David Hare, it's Robert Hare!
He was totally aware of that. He tries to make him some less known lunactic. His sturttering seems acting.
this guys needs to work on his public speaking skills
+lordoftheflings He is one of the leading criminologists; a badman (in a good sense) Like the eminem of criminologyy.,.yr name and pic are foony
Careful! You'll be called a psychopath for telling the truth.
I don't think he can help it. Seems like a stuttering type of problem
@@kellimchone5656 May be stage fright and nervousness. Needs to practice.
He is a psychopath, faking weakness to get your empathy.
Just look at his smugness saying "here it comes" when someone question his anecdotes.
You can prepare all you want but if a real psychopath targets you, you will never know it, because a real psychopath is smooth, they are not weird like what movies told you, and no, they don't look like Hannibal Lecter either. The fact that they chose you is because they smell vulnerabilities, remember they are predators, they know exactly who are the best candidate preys. Usually, when a prey discovers that they've been victimized by a psychopath, there is already a substantial damage done. So what could be done about this? Nothing, let them be, they are not fixable, but you on the other hand is. Fix your major vulnerabilities, fix leakages and you hope to weed and turn them off in picking you.
I agree with you, but I’ll point out that it’s not always vulnerabilities. A psychopath (and by extention, a narcissist) will set their target on a person with a quality they lack and will provide them a desired outcome. It may be beauty, social connections, likeability, charm, knowledge, money… anything that the Psych/narc lacks. They will mimetize to perfection in order to get closer to their target until the prey is secured. Then, and only then, they will unleash their true nature, they’ll drop the mask they wore as long as necessary. And yes, it can take months, years, even decades of maintaining a façade, which will often leave the victim with irreparable damage.
People tend to mistake "psychopathy" or "psychopath" to be a moral epithet when it's just a medical diagnosis. A model. There are, apparently, pro-social psychopaths who are even professional exemplars. The real danger is not represented by this unfortunate and problematic yet tiny minority of humans. It's the abstraction sickness suffered by intellectuals broadly when only roughly 20% are probably competent that represents a bigger threat.
Psychopath is not a medical diagnosis whatsoever. It's a pathology. The terms psychopath and sociopath are used to describe people who have been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
A psychopath is somebody who has been born with neurological defects that affects their impulse control centers and mood regulation. Psychopathy can be exacerbated through traumatic environments/incidents.
A sociopath is somebody who has experienced a high level of trauma, often physical, that affects the brain to a degree that it causes a traumatic brain injury or some other type of significant brain damage that alters the individual's personality to the extent that they are unable to manage a successful social output. Also being exposed to high levels of violence, trauma, addiction and substance use, anything that is a deviant outside of the norm that can traumatize a child can contribute to the individual developing sociopathy.
Both sociopaths and psychopaths have similar traits with disregarding the law, little to no moral standards, having selective (sociopath) to no (psychopath) empathy, a tendency towards violence, and a predisposition towards self-aggrandizement. Psychopaths tend to brood longer, they often are high functioning and blend well into society.
Sociopaths often are career criminals and do not make as conscious as an effort to hide the fact that they live outside of cultural norms. Both psychopaths and sociopaths often live parasitic lifestyles off of the work done by others, even successful psychopaths will still find a way that they can receive payment in some way from somebody. One thing that they both do is they like to cause problems because seeing other people become upset gives them a dopamine rush, this becomes an addiction for them.
Psychopaths will lie in wait to get revenge, but a sociopath will strike out immediately if they feel slighted. Both are extremely dangerous, both have the ability to take life and feel no remorse or shame. The psychopath is more likely to be a serial killer because they work methodologically and put care into not being caught, whereas a sociopath just doesn't give two shits because they go off in a fit of blind rage.
@@Pugetwitch lol. This is a distinction without a difference. "Pathology" means disease. No matter which words you prefer, a medical professional makes a determination about a person's condition and then applies a label. My point was that this label describes a medical condition, as you said - pathology - as opposed to being a moral epithet, which is how people seem to want to use the label, typically. And that's because people are grubby and hostile, and seek to pathologize differences of opinion reflexively. As though they were going to win a prize for it, or be paid a salary, lol. You here, now, for example, trying to wring a "win", ineptly, from a conversation that is over, with an interjection that adds exactly nothing except evidence of your desire for conflict.
"professional exemplar" what an interesting claim of morality....
@@samuelf5985 Is it? Are you familiar with the three main branches of ethics? One of them is virtue ethics. Do you know what that is? Do you know how long it has been around?
@@RichardLucas No, I dont think it is, I thought you were claiming it was for some reason and was mocking you. I am aware of virtue ethics buuuucko
ask any child of a psychopath who isn't themselves a psychopath what thy are for. they're literally incapable of caring for a child. faking caring for a child whenever you can be bothered is extremely stressful for a child. its abuse. i dont know whay all parents aren't checked psychopathy .
Hare’s statement (1993) would seem to be a dangerous stereotype; in my experience, the non-empathic personality is often strictly conscious of their financial transactions and fair, if brutal, in their insistence on every decimal being counted. I have seen evidence of the shyster who would steal from their own family to pay their debts, but this could be symptomatic of the impulsive aspect of psychopathy which entails reckless spending and unscrupulous borrowing of money; a problem which I have seen rectified by the individual’s awareness of the problem.
Bastard means someone born out of wedlock. A completely different meaning to psychopath. How can an educated person make this suggestion?
Don’t you understand that the word ‘bastard’ is usually intended as an insult without considering its initial meaning? Just as calling someone ‘SoB’ doesn’t mean a direct insult to that person’s mother, or the word ‘imbecile’ is no longer applied to people with mental or developmental issues.
David Hare?!
Really? Why?
As a psychopath you study the person and you say what you think they like to hear, and you say that so they think good about you. You might say something and hope that will create a chain reaction so you will get your goals. Might be get rid of someone you don't like that might be in your way. I would say i spot them easy. Two or more at same work place is a bad mix.
How do you spot them? Please tell me the signs.
@@specialtwice4975 You could do a search for ‘red flags of Psychopathy’ which are the same a for Narcissism.
Is he a stutter??
Fast forward 10 minutes to avoid the fluff and get to the good part - the guy reading from a script.
Have you heard of the term projection? Psychopaths seem to label you as a psychopath, but when you look at it, the truth is blatantly obvious.
Similar trait found in narcissists. Could there be an overlap I wonder.
unless you were brought up living with psycho's as I was in one of Edinburgh's worst housing estates most of your life or in jails places were your unable to sleep without keeping one eye open at all times you'll never truly understand the amount of alertness that is needed especially when you are the one that bare's the brunt . Its terrifying fears soul sucking wicked words of degradation of everything you are do say like with gripping fear and anxiety that has you in fight or flight even while you are sleeping 👁😨🥺😲☹😕🤥😬😬😒😐🤐🤫🤭🙂
Great talk. Thank you !
What are psychopaths for? That is the strangest question I have ever heard. To keep us on our toes, so we can observe what not to be; we need CEOs for large corporations. We've got extra prison beds and need to fill them. So we can feel good about ourselves, "whew, I'm glad I'm not that guy". Strange, strange question.
Hare is wrong about psychopaths, the sociopaths are criminals. The real psychopaths are cool and low in anxiety because of low affect arousal. This guy have not read the latest neuroscience research on psychopathy.
Right on
'Tae roam aboot Glasgee, causin' feckin mayhem. D'ye ken?
Professor, really, do ignore these idiot students who send you dumb degrading comments. They're numbnuts who aren't interested in learning anything, so move on and talk about psychopathy, that's what we're here for.
Ps. Don't misunderstand me, I get that it must be annoying to receive notes hitting a minor stuff about your person, some kids are just superficial like that.
As for Hare's book 'Without Conscience', it's a good place to start.
Thank you for a good lecture.
Sometimes Richard Hare!
If this man ever had to endure direct harm from being involved at a personal level with an actual psychopath, he wouldn't be preaching this bs. You really do not know until you relate personally with a psychopath, it is just a whole other creature of a different nature inside a human body. They ought to be kept away from anything that pertains the wellbeing and safety of a person.
And taking his word on this means removing the chances of ever punishing accordingly many of them who are harming entire societies but keep on getting away with it
I have come to understand narcissism as a necessary human trait, without which the newborn babe would not reach for the supply of their mother’s milk. Trauma and deprivation corrupts the perception, but we understate the importance of the validation that only unconditional love and self sacrifice can bring. Compassion is the privilege won by arbitrary luck of context. The criminalisation and disproportionate pathologising of marginalised groups on one hand, and the allowance of fallibility to those who by position face less of the sanctions and protections of the law is a false and dangerous economy, a failing that arguably underlies the erosion of trust in the institutions that define civilised society. The lip service is no longer being adhered to, the veil is slipping, only the beauty of truth will set us free.
I know the answer (jumping up and down with hand raised):
It's so former Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond, and Cabinet Secretary, Kenny MacAskill, (who pardoned the Lockerbie bomber), won't feel alone.
Hmm I'm only a few minutes in and already he's called robert hare by the wrong name David twice! Will persevere but wish he'd slow down a little too!
It's ROBERT Hare. NOT DAVID HARE,
It appears to me that diagnoses, in general, are labels, convenient for those in the business of labeling. I think all mental illnesses are more appropriately seen as on a continuum.
wow how original... categories are sometimes good, labels are sometimes good because they give you a chance to predict... saying that someone is a psychopath really gets your mind working, whereas saying he's here and there on a continuum doesn't really mean anything. Let's not sacrifice sound judgment for political corectness
@@TheRocknrollmaniac Indeed. And don't see how a continuum can be constructed that encompasses all the form of PD's when some are in stark opposition to each other.
Labels are not only ‘convenient for those in the business of labeling’. Labels are accompanied by descriptions, and they are used to describe a person, a situation… I.e.: If someone uses the word ‘narcissist’ to describe their spouse to a divorce attorney, it only takes knowing what that word means or a search to find a full description for the attorney to understand what their client implies. Labels are a simple way of effectively communicating and idea.
This was torturous to listen to.
Dissected like an academic learning the ropes. Hopefully he has the qualities to recognize his few assumptions. I’m hopeful. His take on corporate culture (institutional culture should also be mentioned) capitalizing on the men and women who function under altruistic laws could be honed a little. I’d love to hear him tie in the culture of piracy. One of the most needed areas of redress since the sabotage of religious value to society
Women saying their ex was a psychopathy to me sounds more like the experienced a Sociopath or Narcissist.
You think none of those women dated a psycho? Why? Psychos are all around (about 1 in 100 ppl) and they date, marry...and cheat.
Some of those women may have confused narcs and sociopath for psychopaths. But honestly, there is not that much difference. Covert narcissists can be as evil as psychopaths. I believe my ex was a covert malignant narc/sociopathic narc...maybe he was a sociopath, idk. He was one crazy ass, with ASP traits who mainly acted as a covert narc, sometimes grandiose, sometimes malignant.
@@No-xs1no People like you have no idea what you're talking about!
@Invictus we are lucky to have people like you to enlighten us! 🤣
Are you a psycho?
@@No-xs1no I was clinically diagnosed with Primary Psychopathy, feel free to ask me anything to explain how someone like me thinks.
@@TheFriendlyPsychopath I thought you were.
Do you like eating human flesh?
Oh how disappointing. I thought the title meant some useful original thoughts on what useful purpose this character trait might play in human evolution and survival! Well obviously not of interest to the professors. Please give any links to someone trying to be existential about this.
creeps? that was unnecesary
This refutation of the common designation of Psychopathy is important.
I come from a family of Psychopaths. They are very real and there does seem to be a genetic component. They are dangerous. They do have a sometimes downright creepily stronger influence on their surroundings than do most people. They are pathological liars. They really have no core personality. They really do enjoy conning. They really cannot love normally. They are very troublesome and far be it from me to deny their existence. They really are born that way.
With that, I've told people that the now-accepted view of who is and who is not a Psychopath is is far too binary and far too categorical. They are not another species. They are us. They do have feelings. And the relabeling Psychopath of what used to be called demons is not particularly helpful. I think it's dangerous to presume that someone cannot ever improve and the current definition screams of an invitation to eugenics.
search 'the hypnoanalysis of a psychopath' . why do you not investigate what psychoanalysts have to say about psychopathic people?
If a psychopath is raised in a loving nurturing home, they can be taught to behave in ways that are acceptable to society. But if they're missed, it's most likely too late. You cannot create empathy where there is none. They lie and manipulate to get what they want. They do not love others. They are evil and get worse with age. They are a danger to everyone, since they think it's just fine to take what they want, no matter who they hurt. Maybe they don't need to be wiped out, but they should be identified, the dangerous ones, so that the rest of us can protect ourselves.
They have feelings, but not feelings of joy, love, contentment, altruism, compassion. I feel sad for them because they'll never know what it's like to love others and to be loved in return. Even if you love one, they can't seem to accept that love. They seem to hate you because You CAN feel these things. They seem to believe that everyones brains work like theirs do, so they try to win, which means you need to lose. They assume that you are trying to control and dominate them.
When you can see in brain scans which people lack the parts of the brain necessary for empathy, how can those people "improve"? Once they're adults, there isn't much hope.
Very well put. Elias Canetti, Nobel Prize 1981, ep`lains in his novel "Blendung" how psychopaths or monsters are mixed in modern society and cause the evil of our times!
Psychopaths wrote the script. Wake your arses.
this guy is a goober.
Great discussion by this man which gives me even more confirmation of spotting a narcissist. My relative is with a narcissist but don't know it. And seriously doubt she ever will. He's not a psychopath but has traits of it. I got my confirmation of his narcissist behavior when he made a comment to me saying he don't know if he would give me blood if I needed it. On that day I saw his true character. When a person make these subtle comments, they're telling you what they really think of you. The first time I met him my spirits and vibes didn't sit well about him. I never feel comfortable around him. I read and sense people's energies very well. And I was right! One thing about a narcissist is that eventually they'll reveal there true character and take off there mask. Time always tell and it's only so much you can hide about yourself. However, if your real to yourself and others, you have nothing to worry about. I pay close attention to people words when they make comments that is unfavorable to me. After that comment I said quietly in my mind, eventually I will slowlyyyyy start distancing myself. What's worse is that he was channel into our family. I don't need to get into the specifics why he was channelled because it's unnecessary and extremely complicated. Sometimes outside forces comprises your family and you must move on because your life is altered forever. Some things in life you just don't have any control of. Especially when the US Government is behind it because they have endless resources to experiment on humans. Therefore, one should concentrate on the control they do have. Last but least, he likes to show his ass off of his alpha male character only when my relative is around. But whenever we are alone, he act like he got some sense. A person can only take so much. My advice to people is that your not obligated to be around certain people if you don't want to. Regardless who it is. Family or not! A wise word from a motivational speaker name Jim Rohn (RIP) said walk away if you can. And that's what I did because my freedom is already in jeopardy and on the line 24/7. So I don't need a asshole US Government implant agent to try to provoke me and I'll do something I'll regret. I love and enjoy my new found freedom. It's not the best but it's damn sure much better than rotting away in prison for the rest of your life. Especially if you're innocent and had no part of a crime that US Government agents tries to tie people into. Stay away from people who like to pick and argue. They are under cover convert vampire agents and drain your energies! THEY ARE TROUBLE MAKERS IN DISGUISE!
Very unprofessional remarks from a so-called pro.. “ A creep” he calls a mental ill person.. just after he comments on the psychopath reserving sex power and money.. I just lost interest
This was painful to watch and hard to follow due to the stuttering, hyperinsecurity and he had to bend down real far to get to the mic.
TL;DW:
We need them in war.
aaahh eerr, uuhh ggghaaa..... wuuuuuut the fuck
This guy loves to talk about himself. He's probably a low-level psychopath himself.
I agree people who analyse others all the time like this guy, is probably a psychopath himself
There it is! I've suspected this all along, that some of the videos I've seen on psychopathy were presented by the psychopaths themselves! We are done!
After 40 minutes discussing procedual mathematical statistic methodology (instead of the matter itself) i gave up on this video.
People should avoid discussing the needle size in discussions about medical inoculation , os the size of x ray exams to detect viruses (hahaha)...its pointless in its academical rethoric and inconsequent in any discussion and only serves for academic career building
Psychopaths are good for security of a nation during war times... Narcissism is closer to the idea of evil than Psychopathy.
In your opinion, the desire to have sex or masturbate soon after I end a life, is this psychopathic?
Please reach out for help-today.
I hope you are just trying to be ‘funny’…
Shadd needs to treat his GAD, it's extreme and reveals his childhood speech impediment.
This is naïve
Interesting but I realized you weren’t a scientist when you started talking about man made climate change. Are there any scientific studies showing this is true? No there aren’t.
Mindless blather for 11 minutes, then the endless drivel begins. Best avoided.
so much blabber damn just announcethe guy ...
Sounds like trump. No empathy morals or character. A manipulator etc etc
Okay
Another disappointment
No science here.
Worst speaker ever. Stumbles more than talks.