Mar. 13: Talking about Deer Sign - How to Use it | Bowhunting Whitetails w/ Bill Winke
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- Jordan and I went for a shed hunt and decided to combine our walk with some discussions about deer hunting. We got off on a few topics, but the main points were related to various kinds of deer sign and which ones were most useful when trying to pattern a specific buck. We talked about a lot of other stuff that we couldn't fit into this episode, so we will likely come up with another "Walking & Talking" episode very soon.
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Bill, what a blessing you are able to spend so much quality time with your daughter. Nothing beats that, not even a trophy buck.
Midwest whitetail isn't the same since you left. I'm so glad you still contribute your knowledge to social media. Such a blessing, thank you.
From the beginnings of Midwest Whitetail 2008. I also remember the winking deer mount, LOL. Randy from PA
Love the throwback to the intro of the early days of Midwest Whitetail. I remember my excitement in 2008 experiencing what was then a revolutionary change in the hunting industry as you pioneered the semi-live platform, Bill. Thanks for all you've done!
Its great to see a father and daughter spending quality time together. Jordan is starting to come out of her shell.
Thanks Brian. She understands much better what we do when hunting (the strategy) and that is starting to show in her questions and opinions.
“It’s time to watch midwest whitetail” in the voice of Drew and Jordan was the intro to early midwest whitetail shows. Those were the best hunting shows ever.
Thanks Nat. Yes, that was Jordan with the "Time to watch..." part and Drew with the "Now!" exclamation. Man, we didn't know much about producing hunting shows, but we did have some big deer to hunt and we had a lot of fun learning.
The early days of Midwest Whitetail of course…lol. Still watch those videos quite frequently. TBH, still some of the most informative and enjoyable videos of all time. Thank you Bill for all that you have done for the hunting industry. Now I enjoy watching the GOAT and the KID!!!! lol Keep up the great work you two!!!
It’s time to watch Midwest Whitetails brings back memories of some of the first shows, probably prior to 2010, maybe 08’ or 09’. Good stuff for sure!
Todd, you are correct and have been selected as the winner of the hat. Please email info@billwinke.com with your contact information and address so we can mail that to you. I appreciate your support and hope you have a great day.
Throwback to intro into Midwest whitetail. I believe it was even a young Jordan that did it!!
Throwback to the old Albia days! Awesome to see you guys still doing what you love!
The original Midwest Whitetail was great and sorely missed. I don’t think you and Jared Mills could be beat creating content for midwestern bowhunters!
Great episode Bill. Good seeing the kid back out with ya. Hope she’s still on the mend.
She is 100% now. Back to running. Thanks for the support and the concern. Have a great day.
Great video. I love walking and talking about my place. I learn something every time.
It is a blast just being out there.
Intro from Midwest Whitetail! Loved it and love your new vids!
Hard to believe it's been that long ago Bill, but it's been fun watching your kids grow up through the years. That beginning at Midwest Whitetail was what I will say revolutionary and that current conditions and semi-live approach was really ground breaking. Thanks for the humility and great insights, not trend based, but truth from the ground. Thanks for all you provide.
Thanks for another great video, Bill and Jordan! Really appreciate the content, insight, and experience! Keep up the great work!!
Thanks for the comment, Patrick. We appreciate it.
Jordan, regarding your pants issues: you will have to buy men's sizes, but buy Propper brand BDU ripstop trousers. They have pull tabs on each side to cinch the waist tight, or you can use a belt. Light enough to wear all summer with the legs bloused in the boot tops to keep out ticks, and in hunting season just wear whatever base layers you need under them to keep warm. I have lots of multiflora rose to walk thru & they hold up pretty well. Dont buy any other brand the quality isn't all that good as most of the BDUs are now made for the "surplus" market & the quality isn't all that great.
It was the part of the original intro for Midwest Whitetail back in 2008 to around 2011!
Hello Bill. Your comments about the knowledge and lore we grew up with, really struck a chord with me. I started hunting whitetails in 1966 with my father and uncles in the swamps of Jackson County WI. The stories and knowledge they passed on to me helped but may have led me in the wrong direction. I learned by walking and reading the land as you have. Whitetails are mysterious and I agree that putting yourself in a position where they exit and enter works. Looking for funnels are great spots for tree stands. Putting out ground blinds in the spring/ summer makes them invisible to the deer. Shot last years buck at 10 yds and they had no clue I was there. Not running an atv and being very careful on entering and exiting the property is gold. I really enjoy your conversations with your daughter. Keep up the good work.
Throwback to intro on Midwest Whitetail videos "It's Time to Watch Midwest Whitetail". Digs deep into the archives for sure, most likely 2010 or before. Been following since the start of Midwest Whitetail Bill and team!
What another great episode guys. Simple information and just a delight listening to you guys. Thanks Bill and Jordan
Very very early Midwest whitetail. I want to say it was one of the first ones I watched
Jordan - my wife is a field biologist in the Midwest doing snake and turtle surveys 8 months out of the year. She reckons the Prana pants and the best performance for the money in warmer months, and Prois pants are the best all around for the cooler months. Good luck!
I was never able to connect my hunting passion to any of my 3 kids. Fortunately My 13 year old grandson has taken to it like crazy. We are spending time together in the woods like you and your daughter. It is such a wonderful thing to share with kids. Similar to what has already been said. There is not a single deer on earth that I would prefer over the time I get with my grandson. Keep your daughter close and hopefully she will carry on your legacy.
Thanks Aaron and enjoy the time with your grandson. Good luck and have a great day.
Love the reference to" midwest whitetail " days. I was fortunate to spend years hunting and scouting with my daughters so I know you have to be cherishing the days spent afield. It seems as if your grooming her to be the next female role model for all the young women coming in to our sport., like Candy Kiske and Tiffany Lakosky, look forward to your posts every week and learn a little from each episode. Tell Jordon to look to Prana for pants designed mainly for hikers but are flexible fabric and very comfortable. made right on par with Sitka and Kuiu. Thanks again for all the content
Thanks Dean - I am sure Jordan will take a look. We are really enjoying this time together (me probably more than Jordan, (I am guessing) although she really loves the farm). Have a great day.
Midwest whitetail. THANKS for all that you both do.
Early Midwest whitetail days . I still go back and watch alot of those videos. Keep up the good work.
Midwest Whitetail, your old farm actually just went up for sale again. Listed with Whitetail Properties.
I saw that. The price is really jumping! Man, I sold that way too soon!
That was the old intro to Midwest whitetail. It was like a young kids voice “it’s time to watch Midwest whitetail!”
Who do you think that kid was? Jordan.
It was nice to meet and visit with Jordan at the Iowa Classic! Can't wait for the "Whitetails from the Water" series with her boat, haha. Thanks again for all of the great content, a lot of videos we watch these days are fast paced and not congruent with the true natural experience of hunting. Yours are quite satisfying in that regard.
Midwest whitetail of course!! Came out when I was a young teenage bowhunter from the northeast, dreaming of the day I could hunt the Midwest. 15 plus years later and I’ve still never had the chance to hunt Iowa 🤪
The old Midwest Whitetail days, that show just isn't the same without you
This was a fun video to watch.
I enjoy seeing you and Jordan interact with each other. More dads should spend time with their daughters!
Always love your videos Bill!!!!
Thanks Terry. Much appreciated.
Throwback to early intro of the kids saying it on MWW
the old Midwest Whitetail intro!!! dang that took me back!! loved the video guys!! And Duluth Trading Co. makes some great brush pants from old firehouses. They have a ladies line too!
Awesome video throw back from Midwest Whitehall thanks for all the great videos
Bill got my book greatly appreciated thank you the shed hunt & scout was awesome & well covered thanks
Thanks Justin. I appreciate the comment. Have a great day.
“It’s time to watch Midwest Whitetails” original intro. Haven’t missed an episode of either Midwest Whitetail or Bill’s content since!
I do believe that intro is the Midwest Whitetail series. I enjoyed so many episodes while it was you doing them. Just not the same as it was. Keep at it putting these out I watch em all!
Great episode Bill, and information.
Thanks Mitchell. Much appreciated.
Another great video! I love finding old rubs that are hit again year after year! Historical rubs, I believe areas like that are great spots to set up on.
Thanks Jason. They are hit every year for some reason even if it is not by the same buck. I think they are some kind of staging area. Bucks stage in those areas before heading to food or just after leaving a bedding area, etc.
The intro was from Midwest Whitetail. I kind of have to disagree with you on rubs. I was taught a long time ago that the higher the rub the bigger the antlers or bigger the buck. I still tend to agree with that assessment.
If my memory serves me that is an old throwback intro from Amdrew for Midwest whitetail.
From the early videos of MWW. Thanks for another great video!
Hey Bill....I'am 72 and have been watching you're shows from day one and of course that's from "Midwest Whitetail".....also, thanks for all good info today!!
You are welcome Mitch. Thanks for all the years of support.
No other than Midwest Whitetail! She is aging you Bill!
Thanks a lot man, another great episode
Thanks. Much appreciated. Have a great day.
I believe it was from your son Drew and he said that at the beginning of the old Midwest whitetail videos! "IT'S TIME TO WATCH....MIDWEST WHITETAIL!!!!!"
Lol Bill I too remember the days that rub size was a big thing. Now I look at the height of a rub as somewhat of an indicator of the age of the buck using it. I’ve seen sign post rubs with heavy wear from 16” off the ground to 4’ off the ground. This year I’m going to use ted millers horizontal rub strategy with scotch pine.
Dan
It will be interesting if the horizontal rub produces more activity than vertical rubs. Have a great day.
The man, the myth, the legend: Bill Winke intro.
I still love big rubs BUT I really get excited about big tracks near them and how far up the tree the tines are hitting. Yes, small bucks will rub an existing big rub but I’d lean to at least a mature if not one with an attitude doing the initial tree damage. Also, I usually see these rubs in areas where I know a big buck frequents along with all the other sign that lets me know something interesting is going on. All pieces of the puzzle. Post season scouting is my second fav time of the year add in a few found sheds and you’ve got yourself a party. I believe the comment was from the late 80’s Midwest Whitetail days. ??
Could have titled this one “Winke’s Mythbusters”. Intro brings back memories. And you’re one step closer to an improved ending….i think letting your guest say “Always Dream Big “ would sound the best.
To the original Midwest Whitetail shows. I watch those every fall!
Throwback to Midwest Whitetail!
Early Midwest Whitetail into.
Jordan is ornery...hahaha. Young lady, I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow barefoot 😀. Joking aside, how I would have benefited from walking and talking in the woods with an experienced hunter like Bill. My hunting took just as long to figure it out, maybe we learned more, not sure. I agree, its the terrain that matters. I know we are talking deer hunting but learn from your Dad Jordan, some day you will look back at these and tell your kids all about grandpa.
Something I noticed about buck rubs on my small property, I don't have many! Lol. My 4 acres timber butted up to the neighbors several hundred acres attracs just enuf does mostly to fill a couple tags. Lots of work ahead of me to improve my other ten acres with food plots, trees etc.
That is funny Keith! The food will help more than anything else. It is the simplest way anyone, even a permission hunter, can make a big improvement on their chances for success. Find the food, find the deer. Good luck.
I still watch those old videos
Tell Jordan to look at 5.11 pants.They are comfortable and fit great
Thank you Reggie! I will do that. I appreciate it and I hope you have a great day!
Great video that's refreshing to see reading sign the way we used to do it. In the far Northern areas of Wisconsin 1 1/2 year old Bucks naturally disperse 3 to 7 miles from their birthing area. Natures way
Good point. Yes, I have also read studies that if you shoot the doe when he was a fawn, he is much less likely to leave the next fall (as if she starts the dispersal process - or nature just knows). I am not 100% sure that research has been verified, however.
We talked a few times back in the late 90's I believe. Back then one of the best ways to promote my Outfitting business was getting an article out there once every couple years. We never hooked up but it's good to see you're still in the business! Since 2017 I've transitioned into selling hunting land with Whitetail Properties. I sure miss the good old days.@@bill-winke
I'd say it came from midwest whitetails. Make sure the hat is autographed. Thanks for sharing
Kuiu sells outdoor pants for women & a lot of other cloths to they are expensive but the material's they use are top of the line & very comfortable
I think it was Midwest whitetails. But i may be wrong
Love all the content thanks for all u do
"It's Time to Watch Midwest Whitetails!!" - Craig Dilbeck
You are right Bill, a lot of mis information out there that trends the typical hunter's way of hunting. I guess, I'm just not that typical hunter. I use trail cams for inventory prior to my limited bowhunting season, not for patterning deer. I do this on purpose as I really enjoy the chase and the anticipation of that chase and all the unknowns this type of hunting entails. I tend to place cameras in pinch points pre my hunt, review the photos the day before my first hunt and hunt the pinch spots I know preferred deer travel especially during the pre rut and the rut. While I have shot some decent bucks, truth be told, I have never shot "the big one" that I got on camera, or hunted a specific buck but I have seen them on the hoof, and and I like it this way. To each his own. To me whatever it takes to keep hunting interesting, exciting and fun like when I was a kid, the better. Regardless of what information used or style of hunting, I say dream big!!
I agree 100%. I normally only know which part of the property a shooter buck is living in and little more than that. Sometimes I can get a feel for his bedding areas based on the direction he approaches the cameras, but I don't want to know too much because I still want to be excited and surprised when he shows up. But I have had good luck shooting the bucks I am after hunting that way. However, and this is the great equalizer, I can hunt 50 straight days too if I want to. That makes a huge difference. Good luck.
I am STILL seeing FRESH rubs on my farm, and ALL OF MY SCRAPES are still being worked!
That's from the OG Midwest Whitetails isn't it??
The NE trackers Maine, NH, Vt etc. drag marks are akey, also the width of the body based on tracks, some can even guesstimate the weight of the deer. Many have been pretty close! It’s impressive, but that’s how they hunt their deer so they learn that over time. Pretty cool stuff.
Yes, those guys are the best. I always dreamed of those hunts when I was a kid. The Benoit family were legendary even back then.
yes I'm hooked on watching those hunts on you tube lately. :) @@bill-winke
BTW... As per Jordan's comment. Tell her that Academy sports has a lot of women's outdoor clothes.
Great episode. I was surprised to see Jared from the 2012 shed hunt. How long have you both known each other? Cool to see him doing his own channel now also.
He was an intern for me at Midwest Whitetail in 2010 and then a full time employee for two years after that.
Really enjoyed watching you on Midwest Whitetails. I dont watch it anymore. I had bucks here in midsouth missouri lose their antlers before December 31 this year it was weird. I didnt see anything wrong with the two bucks I had pictures of. Most of the deer kept antlers normally.
Some of that is genetic, I think. Every year on the southern Iowa farm we found several antlers in late December and then usually nothing again until mid-to-late February. Just seems that some shed early every year for some reason.
Thank you@@bill-winke
The ole days of MWW!
I want to say it was 2010 when I first heard that. At least that's the first time I saw Midwest whitetail.
In central Alabama some bucks carry their antlers through mid April.
original throwback to midwest whitetail series before 2010 i believe
Had to be 2008-2010 she said that Midwest Whitetails 😊
The old Midwest Whitetail’s from like 2011, 2012. Wasn’t that Drew that said that? “It’s time to watch Midwest Whittail!”
2010 widwest intro. I believe you did a DVD series also with it
Classic Hunts from MWW for the intro
Thanks good video Bill .Also the MSU Deer Lab TV just put a new Buck bedding / Rut timing study out that very much throws in the face of what most think bucks bed like and specifically what hunters think of as same spot / bedding . They seem to not use the same beds or small area such as a specific point or place on the map . Good watch as it will change the reasonings and what hunters think they are hunting as beds or bedding areas.
I saw that but there are many variables that will skew their results. Age being one of them. I am going to get some cell cameras and do my own study this fall. I bet I find different results. Again age is a huge factor in buck behavior as older bucks act way different from younger bucks.
2008 MW Intro! Lol. Was that Jordan’s voice as the intro? 😂
Yes, Julie, it was Jordan! A little ten year old Jordan.
Bill, the Jim Jordan buck was shot in 1914 in Danbury WI and scored 206", bob. SWWI
That is still the standard for giant 5 X 5 bucks!
Yes indeed
As a kid back in the sixties I remember the adults saying once a spike always a spike.
Back when she was a very young kid!
Yes sir. “Back in the day” great video you two.
And Jordan you need to get pops out and do some running with you. Sounds like he’s getting short of breath. Must be the altitude!😆
Enjoy the content. Luke 9:62
Had to be the altitude. It is nearly 1,000 feet there!
Only thing that comes to mind is "Its time to watch the Muppets" and the song at the start of the show but I don't think your daughter would have ever seen that at least not on TV.
It was the intro for Midwest Whitetails.
Great stuff Bill. Btw scouted that spot I asked about on the gully video, definitely going to use the gully approach in the fall. Also, dnr did heavy controlled burning in the woods what do you think the effect is for next fall? I’m thinking improvement for hunting
Russ, I think that area will have more undergrowth. Even just burning off the leaves, even if it didn't kill undesirable non-native vegetation, will produce more regrowth. I would say it will attract and hold more deer in the future - starting this year. Good luck.
@@bill-winke thanks Bill!
Bill, have you written any books or articles regarding hunting the terrain features you look for? My wife and I recently purchased a new 60 acre farm in Northern Missouri, very diverse habitat throughout. Has everything from pond, creek, 75 percent timber, and 20 of AG, hilly and flat in some spots but mostly hills, great entry and exit routes but certainly curious about your terrain feature ideas. Thanks, Ryan in Michigan
Ryan, congrats! That is awesome. I have written a number of articles about that and I did write a book about how to use creeks and ditches. You can find that book here: shopbowhuntingwhitetails.com/products/creeks-ditches-books I have also done several videos about terrain features. Here are couple you might like: th-cam.com/video/A026Ukj_hgY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1D_z2b_Y7s23CxuA and: th-cam.com/video/lenRbjKgEB8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Qus8NlldeK2JD9KF and: th-cam.com/video/_0YVMu8jKi0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=y6L1h0pWhsqOIB3a There are a few others also, but that should get you started. Good luck on the new farm.
So much enjoy watching your content and have for years. That being said, I think buying this place and selling your old place ( for a hunting aspect) was a huge mistake.
I think you are starting to realize that?
Anyway, great contexts usual.
Hunting isn't as good, but that is only one reason you own land, plus I think you underestimate what this place can become. Improvement is a process. The other farm wasn't always great. It became great. I think this one will too. Plus, this gets me back home to the bluff country that I love. That is worth a lot! Thanks for the comment and the support.
Bill, any further detail on way you are not hunting the water hole? Seems like a good spot to narrow down the hunt, almost serving as a bottleneck of sorts.
We need to hunt it, but it is right below two big bedding areas and up the draw from a primary feeding area. It would be an awesome spot for an afternoon or morning hunt during the rut, but sneaking out would be tough following an afternoon hunt. Well, last year it wouldn't have been because the deer never left the timber with all the acorns. If I had it to do again, I would have hunted it last year given how easy it would have been to sneak out through that standing cornfield in the bottom that the deer weren't using.
That cabin would be cool to restore.
I think it is well beyond that point. They never fixed the roof when it caved so all the wood is now rotten (and stinks of raccoon).
Midwest whitetails intro like everyone else said? lol
I think height of rub does have to do with age. As long as it's not a tree they can bend and they're standing level or lower. Really high rubs, in those situations, have to be taller body and/or large rack. Of course really big bucks don't have to rub high, but little bucks just can't. When the top of the rub is chin high, there's a good one around (or you have elk lol).
That water hole looks ultra prime! Did you guys ever get a sit over it?
We never sat over that. We need to this year. It does look like the perfect rut spot. Chin high?! I have never seen one more than about sternum high. You do have elk! Good luck.
Opening line from MW ….. followed by the “ping”
Midwest whitetail!, 😊
High rubs are still a thing. Makes sense for an older bigger buck would make those vs a 1 or 2 year old.
Yes, but far from foolproof as some bucks rub with their heads more upright and others rub with their heads down so you have to take the sign with a grain of salt. Good luck.
You can blame our fearless Govt for the introduction of multiflora rose along with many other species of invasives. Good thing they got their act together and are much more responsible today 😅
Yes, good point. I saw Obama out on our farm last week cutting down multi-floral rose so they are starting to do their part in fixing things!
The intro is from the old show.
I think hunting that shack would be awesome. Clean it up put a bed with some food in there. I was hunting a buck a few years ago that lived on one lease in the summer and wandered over to my other lease during the rut for two years. Unfortunately for me he was killed with a gun on the other side of the lease by an acquaintance but it ended up being 1-2 miles away. He was a split G2 11 pointer in the mid 140s.
Some of them are really roamers while others are homebodies. I love the homebodies. That cabin is really nasty. The roof is falling in and everything in there stinks of raccoon urine/feces. Very nasty. That is one place even I wouldn't sleep!
@@bill-winke Gotcha yeah that is nasty lol. Nobody likes feces 😆