trust me, I could mention plenty of both established and startup biotech companies with big MD, PhD names on board, whose main business is BS. I would indeed say it is the norm Just one egregious example: Verily
I don't think that a doctor has 100 million dollars to invest or knows the D.C. power players to hook up the military contract. This was big business territory, not opening a pharmacy on the corner.
Hey 20/20, you forgot to mention that Walgreens hired their own private investigator to review and collect data on Theranos and Elizabeth. And once that investigator did not recommend moving forward with partnering with Theranos, they just ignored it and did it anyway. Walgreens did not see or share a vision with Elizabeth, they just saw dollar signs.
This. He was actually a chemist himself IIRC. They told the guy to kick rocks when he basically told them Theranos product didn't seem to work. They were really scared of CVS or someone else getting it instead.
This tech is real. The military took it. Duh...now it is a hit piece on Liz to cover up the theft. #SweepItUnderTheRug....THIS US WHERE FEMINIST NEED TO COME OUT AND STAND UP FOR THIS WOMAN.
She had the gift of gab. Elizabeth was smart enough to take companies put millions with no medical degree. Now that’s genius. She was the right color. Blonde hair with blue eyes. Speaks volumes.
Secure Administrator I’m compelled to think he said truthfully what he felt. There was no negative energy between them at all up to that point. Jack Ma isn’t the sour, vicious type anyways.
julio1c1saga have you seen the documentary on HBO? One of her female professors from Stanford had told her that a lot of the ideas she was presenting to her were impossible, but one of her male professors quit his job at Stanford to come work with her. Another female CEO had noted she thought it was interesting that she didn’t have at least one woman on her board of directors, all men. I think a lot of women saw past her bullshit but for some reason she seemed to charm a lot of men.
@@UrbanDecayLova247 I think a lot of that might be ascribed more to the glass ceilings in place, rather than any sex-specific charm Holmes may have had. Also, most of the men she convinced were either idiots in general, or woefully ignorant about the project she sold them. The few that either understood the project or came to understand how she worked dropped her pretty quickly.
Clemens Stubbe I get that but I still think it’s interesting two professors at Stanford both heard her ideas and the one who was a woman shot her down and gave her the real truth while the other one who was a man literally quit his job to work for her.
@Alan Simmns That's what I'd like to think too. Still, the whole Walgreens deal seems fishy, where she could have taken a time out to ensure all this stuff works.
4:38 I LOVE Jack Ma's expression and gesture to play the fact, that she started the business with 19 years. He knows, that she begged wealthy persons for money to start the operation. Jack Ma used his own money and succeeded with his business. I love this man!
How the heck did she get so far without proving the technology worked? How did the labs and equipment pass required stringent regulations and standards?
Fear of missing out aka FOMO. You can see the craze with crypto and the big banks getting in on the action. If people are greedy enough, they are willing to risk it
Through an FDA loophole called "lab developed tests". They took the samples from the machine and sent them to a lab for traditional testing, sometimes after dangerously diluting the blood and pretended that the results came out of their little machine.
She lied. She thought science and lab results can go with advertisement and marketing. Established technology first. Tested over and over again. Before she even open her mouth about the technology. You dont see scientists posing on magazine. Because they are too busy testing technology in the lab. Then publish it in scientific journals. Before they even present it on public forum/lectures.
It got that far thanks to classifications and claims allowed by the FDA for essentially self approval (under lab developed test classification). The FDA has several areas that allow products to reach the marketplace with minimal testing, if you have the ability to get the FDA to classify them as such. There are many ways to get around stringent testing. A great example are the many garbage reflective pulse oximeters that are being sold to the general public....never claim accuracy for a non-invasive device, and you can sell anything.
Haven't finished watching the videos but this is the question in my mind, too. Not necessarily doctors in general, but where are her consultants in Laboratory Medicine? Either Clinical Pathologists or Medical Technologists. If one is trying to come up with technology involving diagnosis through blood tests, there should at least be people knowledgeable in that field in the team. All I see so far seem to be tech (computers, programs, machines) people... Edit: After watching this video, I saw one clin. path., but he sounded like an outsider, not someone involved with the company. Is there a part 5 to this?
They said in the video all departments kept separate and there was never any talks between them. So they probably lied to everyone. The one scientist they had probably got told lies and then everyone else was probably to that tests are going great. She lied to everyone in her company
They let the consultants take d test n their lab. After the pricking they will show the consultants around d facility (except the lab where the tests r really done)while waiting for the results. After an hour theywill show the results which r accurate(bcoz it was tested with the standard machine not the edison machine)
There was a scientist whose name appears on her patents and he was deeply involved in the company. He killed himself. His story and his wife appears on the HBO documentary "The Inventor" which is also on TH-cam. It's really sad that her delusions and ambitions dragged in hundreds of people into her world. We all need jobs and I myself worked for a tiny startup which oddly enough had similar issues.
@@namelessonewanderland3428 Exactly, now it´s known that even her low pich voice was fake, she faked it to become more male, more credible, at least in her mind...
Bill Clinton 😂😂😂 cracked me up 19 when she launched the company and in his head "17 when he met her on the lolita express on their way to Lolita Island lol
"... to the young women... do everything you can to be the best..." Including lying to everyone, putting the public in possible danger, and using a fake voice.
@Sarah Parker we are all living on borrowed time. Any ole crazy person can't just talk billionaire investors out of their money. She is borderline genius. Her charm & passion is undeniable.
@May Show you are right... These two scam artists were paranoid of others finding out about their proprietary technology that didn't work...and worried more about litigation than the actual product.
@@daytoncoke790 He and his family trafficked cocaine to finance his governor of Arkansas campaign and now they traffic kids through their Clinton foundation. Real fucking presidential!! Wake up and smell the Coke Dayton..
This whole scandal is so fascinating because it flips the view we have of these rich, knowledgeable CEOs right on its head. They all really aren't as smart or as enterprising as we think; just old men being led by their wallets.
Led by their wallets and by their d*cks. LOL They all fell for the scam of a young and attractive woman. I am sure if Elizabeth was a guy she would have been caught a long time ago.
I remember when I was on a certain medication that needed blood tests every month, and when I tried to use Theranos, the Walgreens flobotomist told me that theranos wasn’t applicable to my case. I only needed one vile, and thought it was so weird. A month later all the drama started happening....crazy that an idea that so obviously can’t work was so widespread. A bunch of ego maniacs and “big picture” people coming together and this is what you get 🤦🏽♀️
It's great that an actual journalist finally started to ask real questions, but let's not forget that it was the media who made her a star to begin with.
True. One of my best friends has a PhD in biology & biochemistry and worked for some of France and Luxembourg's most renowned laboratories and medical firms. He used to write publications just for cell treatment and he used to spend 10 hours a day for months even years just to study cells. There's no fucking way her idea would ever be viable.
What all these old men said “I was impressed by the technology” or “I just saw the potential that was there” yadayadayada. What they didn’t admit, was “I was drawn in by how much money this could possibly make me if she was right and we could successfully dupe people”
i believe that a powerful and intelligent man would have the people's background checked by his professionals before actually meeting them. So probably his professionals told him that something was finish about this woman. Otherwise, he was just smart enough to know something was a bit off.
"We can not lose sight of how much we wanted to believe," is a quote that sums up the issue. Yes, Holmes was deceitful at the very least. But, how she got where she got in terms of funding, being supported in every way....well its a perfect example of the power of charismatic leadership - bad or good doesn't matter -- the masses support what makes them feel better/safer/more secure. The fact of humans making decisions based on perception vs reality has always been like that - for better or worse. In other words, the problem isn't people like Holmes, but the default of tribal thinking(eg., to quote from the video on the topic of why one investor invested millions ...because his friend did it!: "well if you're doing it, it must be good...", This, coupled with the lack of critical thinking in each of us, NO duh she raised millions.
Investors in her company: Dang, we threw hundreds of millions down the drain. This must be the stupidest investment in history. Bloomberg the presidential candidate: Hold my beer.
Her story is a good story for mankind. To allow us to know what kind of gimmicks and chicanery a psychopath can pull off. And raising awareness of the micro behaviors of Psychopathy. This story is a model for " Psychopaths in Business and as Leaders"
Funny you should say that. Ive developed a testing device that can detect psychopaths. You simply blow into the device, which is a modified breathalyzer. Instantly it detects 88 different types of mental disorders. I hope to partner with McDonald's and have these test administered in the drive thru line.
I love how she made a fool of everyone. There is something really satisfying about crooks who get famous politicians and billionaires and Hollywood people to spew falsehoods for them.
@Shocked owners of Walmart, Betsy Devous, Larry Ellison, Rupurt Murdock, gave her millions, all Republican. Henry Kissinger and George Shultz sat on her board, both Republican. This is all documented and can be looked up. Don’t speak unless you can actually back up your claims. You look foolish otherwise.
The Theranos principle - any company whose board consists solely of elderly luminaries from the fields of politics and/or the military who have no domain knowledge in the technologies underlying the companies products is probably a giant con job.
This should have been a red flag. However, from what I have read in "Bad Blood" was that they feared missing out on the hottest trend. That is what happened with Walgreens, who even had an expert who advised them to NOT take the deal. Many medical researchers and professionals were hopeful but extremely hesitant about her work, specifically if it was scientifically sound at all, but since they were not the ones with money, many dismissed them.
In those 4 seconds, Jack Ma did these 4 things and made these thoughts 1. makes facial expression and thinks, 19yr old, must have started company through pure emotion and lack of judgement 2. waves his hand around and thinks , hmm, maybe possible but highly unlikely 3. looks up and thinks, yea this company is pure BS and will fail 4. scratches his head, wait why am I sitting next to her again?
If you were talking about the lab employees, they were under the guise that they were working on revolutionary medical testing and research. Additionally, I would imagine that many saw through the scam after working on it for a while, but probably had to sign NDAs and other documents to prevent them from commenting on their time at Theranos. I remember that a couple employees address the testing results with Holmes and Holmes literally told them to cover it up and fake the data. They had a revolving door of lab technicians and employees because of this, where employees are starstruck by Holmes and her "miracle" technology, then do testing and experiments only to find that something was amiss, they address it to Holmes or higher-up who told them to follow her instructions or get out, employees either comply (with low morale) or leave the company, new employees are hired and the cycle begins all over again.
Her "success" depended on the ignorance of her investors and enablers regarding the realities of in vitro diagnostics. Molecules in human blood are not 1s and 0s controlling a display screen - it's clear that many who were convinced by her story didn't appreciate that difference. There are thousands of very bright and experienced people in that field who have dreamed the same dreams about miniaturizing and multiplexing but they lacked the psychopathology she brought to the enterprise! It's worth noting that the only medical professional in this report saw through her immediately.
rspins No, her success depended on the fact that Silicon Valley wanted to virtue signal and prop a woman up to the position of CEO of a company that they were comparing to apple and Facebook. She had the slightly intellectual but also somewhat attractive look. Poster girl for saying: look, women have it made
@@iadesigns California, San Francisco/Bay Area especially is huge on "social justice" and anything that isn't straight, white, or male. Holmes was just a tool in the leftist agenda.
@@CXY96 her biggest boosters were old white men, mostly conservative: Shulz, Kissinger, Mattis, Frist, later Murdoch. Not exactly promoters of the anti- white male agenda. While her gender and age were huge factors in the attention she got, I think you're driving a square peg in a round hole here.
rspins I think it’s foolish to think that those white male board members were there because they believed in her grand vision. They were there for a paycheck and because this somewhat attractive blonde woman was asking them for help
@@msdadsfsx she made a box called Edison, a drop of blood pricked from the finger prick in the "nanotainer"and inserted into the box that can give results on around 250 diseases. It wasn't practical and a big failure.
I'm shocked every time I come across this story. She dropped out but was able to open a medical centre? She received billions in donations without any factual work, the media ate it up and sought after personalities revered her??? That's insane to me, I'm not gonna buy a car because the car salesman is explaining it to me like a Shakespeare sonnet... I need to see it and take it for a test drive first. Maybe because I'm in the uk because she would've been caught from the first step and I don't get how she swindled so many "elites" so easily. "Ain't no fool like an old fool" is how the saying goes, right?
Meh obviously we wouldnt fall for it because hindsights 20/20. You know what she did and now youre saying the stuff youre saying. Its like a cult it sounds stupid until you look from within. She had a prototype and you dont know the tactics/manipulation methods she used to get people to invest. Personality and confidence can make you manipulate so many people. It looks obvious now but surely wasnt so obvious back then
@@marcorojas-vazquez6792 thinking back now, anyone who had a smidge of experience on the the field quickly realised it was a pipe dream within her expectations and told her so, hence why she didn’t allow to have any of them on the board of directors. You’re right because it’s easy for me to say this when I could’ve fell for her tricks while simultaneously disregarding important factors. A lack of discernment if you will.
Just look at Jack Ma's face and hand movements in that Clinton interview when she says she was 19 when she started the company 😂😂 he had scepticism written all over his face 😂😂😂😂
I am a PhD with expertise in physiology and biotechnology, and I am pretty sure it would have taken me 5 minutes to bust her. As well as, I do not see any particular brilliance and charisma in her. And how, these "brilliant" Apple minds got sucked in it, is beyond me. I wish I could meet all these rich gullible people willing to give me money on just an idea (and I have many revolutionary ones!)
I understand why Steve Jobs and others dropped out to make a multi-million tech company. But here she dropped out without completing any degree in medicine to gamble with the lives of people. How come nobody took notice of that?
Elizabeth Holmes may have failed at creating a revolutionary technology but, she did prove that the rich and successful have the same fault of not waiting for proof before believing something. Thanks Liz!
Yep, the funny thing is that in the documentary Walgreens hired a medical expert, but when he started ringing tons of alarm bells about Theranos, WalGreens ignored him because the potential money that is to be gain from the deal.
I somehow find this hilarious. Medical sciences and computer sciences speak completely different languages. If a medical reseacher was consulted, he would have said NO WAY. This is beyond an innovative breakthrough. It's simply impossible.
Read the book (finally). I remembered seeing Elizabeth on the cover of magazine, and thought - if she is legit, then yeah it’s pretty amazing. And a decade or so later I remember thinking “there goes (unfortunately) another example that will pull back women’s careers in science and medicine by years, because of a foolish person’s choices in life”. What I was astounded was at the level she was able to pull funds and con experienced and important people in both business and politics - it’s an excellent case study for corporate governance and fraud prevention learning though.
The warning sign should've been that nobody with a medical background invested in her or is a member of her board. Period
Also, she didn't have a background in basic science!
@Iphone BassBeatz why bring race into this?
She probably never soldered a wire or cut a piece of metal during this whole process.
trust me, I could mention plenty of both established and startup biotech companies with big MD, PhD names on board, whose main business is BS. I would indeed say it is the norm
Just one egregious example: Verily
I don't think that a doctor has 100 million dollars to invest or knows the D.C. power players to hook up the military contract. This was big business territory, not opening a pharmacy on the corner.
Hey 20/20, you forgot to mention that Walgreens hired their own private investigator to review and collect data on Theranos and Elizabeth. And once that investigator did not recommend moving forward with partnering with Theranos, they just ignored it and did it anyway. Walgreens did not see or share a vision with Elizabeth, they just saw dollar signs.
This. He was actually a chemist himself IIRC. They told the guy to kick rocks when he basically told them Theranos product didn't seem to work. They were really scared of CVS or someone else getting it instead.
Interesting. Thank you for that detail.
This tech is real. The military took it. Duh...now it is a hit piece on Liz to cover up the theft. #SweepItUnderTheRug....THIS US WHERE FEMINIST NEED TO COME OUT AND STAND UP FOR THIS WOMAN.
@@JeremiahDoctsonFitness CVS dodged the bullet
According to Carreyrou''s book, part of it was fear that she would go to CVS and they would lose out.
"tell them how old you were"
" I was 19"
*Audience claps*
*Jack Ma is unimpressed* lol
He's the smart one.
@Nestor Jr. Abalos Yes, he and his wife are both gigantic frauds. Just ask Haiti.
He knew something was off
@@moscuadelendaest dude, its the guy sitting right next to her.....
He knows that she's full of 💩
I still just don't understand how she went on for 12 years, getting more and more investment, with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Cult of personality
there are plenty of publicly traded companies that trade with multibillion valuations that have never made a profit
Yeah same here, I don't get it either
She had the gift of gab. Elizabeth was smart enough to take companies put millions with no medical degree. Now that’s genius. She was the right color. Blonde hair with blue eyes. Speaks volumes.
Ma hi, mei giu yang is sohai OK
4:40 Jack Ma called it. He called IT
The real chigga
He deliberately sat facing his body away from her. He was not ready to pay respect. Unfortunately he was not a board member in Thernos.
Jack ma is a true boss. Too bad the ccp has him in their pocket
literally silicon valleys version of fire festival
Well this was first but yes! You got it chief!
so tue!
haha underrated comment. Im sure ja would be proud of holmes
Except no cheese sandwiches.
Her and Billy's should hook up! Can you imagine 😂
I wonder how painful it is to keep your voice that baritone all. The. Time. I mean, it's deeper than deep for a woman. And goddamn annoying.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
It's not close to a real baritone, it's not even deep. It just sounds forced and unnatural.
Hormones
@@bravelittleroomba You're right.
She stole it from Mira Sorvino's Romy White.
LOL, you can tell Jack Ma could smell the BS back then but decided to be gracious about it.
No, he was thinking of what he was doing at 19, which he subsequently verbalized in that interview.
Secure Administrator I’m compelled to think he said truthfully what he felt. There was no negative energy between them at all up to that point. Jack Ma isn’t the sour, vicious type anyways.
Well, natural reaction for somebody sitting next to two of the biggest bullshit artists of our time.
His reaction is pure gold
Nice
"Can I see the machine?"
.."No"
"OK, well here's 100 million dollars!"
Lol
This happens when being a celebrity is valued more than the actual substance.
She wasted 12 years doing nothing
The mass media kinda controls public opinion and they never doubt any of her technology
She just got blinded by the light.... she has talent . She just couldn't deliver
@@mywong2411Her idea was good though… The technology just wasn’t up to par… She was ahead of her time….
Man she ran game, wow the power of a white woman with big blue dead eyes.
Stewmeat her eyes are so scary
This.
@@mirandaraeallday yep
How the hell does she never blink???
She's the female Patrick Bateman.
I don’t really get how so many people found her to be “charming.” Something about her has always seemed very off-putting to me
Natalie Marie yes she a real weirdo
The view brought up a good point that it was more men saying this than women.
julio1c1saga have you seen the documentary on HBO? One of her female professors from Stanford had told her that a lot of the ideas she was presenting to her were impossible, but one of her male professors quit his job at Stanford to come work with her. Another female CEO had noted she thought it was interesting that she didn’t have at least one woman on her board of directors, all men. I think a lot of women saw past her bullshit but for some reason she seemed to charm a lot of men.
@@UrbanDecayLova247 I think a lot of that might be ascribed more to the glass ceilings in place, rather than any sex-specific charm Holmes may have had. Also, most of the men she convinced were either idiots in general, or woefully ignorant about the project she sold them. The few that either understood the project or came to understand how she worked dropped her pretty quickly.
Clemens Stubbe I get that but I still think it’s interesting two professors at Stanford both heard her ideas and the one who was a woman shot her down and gave her the real truth while the other one who was a man literally quit his job to work for her.
I would have gotten fired making fun of her voice
l t someone like you wouldn’t even get a chance to work with someone like her
@@saulgoodman2438 Thank God for that -- she's a BS artist, a narcissist, and a con.
@Alan Simmns That's what I'd like to think too. Still, the whole Walgreens deal seems fishy, where she could have taken a time out to ensure all this stuff works.
@Sarah Parker nah most are guys impressed by her looks alone ...
She looks like alien. The nordic type race. Aliens are here among us.
4:38 I LOVE Jack Ma's expression and gesture to play the fact, that she started the business with 19 years.
He knows, that she begged wealthy persons for money to start the operation.
Jack Ma used his own money and succeeded with his business.
I love this man!
No he did not..Jack ma took massive money from Softbank to launch his career
@@Meowface. Okay. At least he did not scam people.
@@Meowface. which he succeeded and became softbank's greatest investment lol, so who really won?
How the heck did she get so far without proving the technology worked? How did the labs and equipment pass required stringent regulations and standards?
Fear of missing out aka FOMO. You can see the craze with crypto and the big banks getting in on the action. If people are greedy enough, they are willing to risk it
Through an FDA loophole called "lab developed tests". They took the samples from the machine and sent them to a lab for traditional testing, sometimes after dangerously diluting the blood and pretended that the results came out of their little machine.
Charisma and attractiveness still go a long way in scams
She lied.
She thought science and lab results can go with advertisement and marketing.
Established technology first. Tested over and over again. Before she even open her mouth about the technology.
You dont see scientists posing on magazine. Because they are too busy testing technology in the lab. Then publish it in scientific journals. Before they even present it on public forum/lectures.
It got that far thanks to classifications and claims allowed by the FDA for essentially self approval (under lab developed test classification). The FDA has several areas that allow products to reach the marketplace with minimal testing, if you have the ability to get the FDA to classify them as such. There are many ways to get around stringent testing. A great example are the many garbage reflective pulse oximeters that are being sold to the general public....never claim accuracy for a non-invasive device, and you can sell anything.
Watching all this wondering WHERE ARE THE DOCTORS???
If this worked. Many jobs would have been replaced by a machine.
Haven't finished watching the videos but this is the question in my mind, too.
Not necessarily doctors in general, but where are her consultants in Laboratory Medicine? Either Clinical Pathologists or Medical Technologists. If one is trying to come up with technology involving diagnosis through blood tests, there should at least be people knowledgeable in that field in the team. All I see so far seem to be tech (computers, programs, machines) people...
Edit: After watching this video, I saw one clin. path., but he sounded like an outsider, not someone involved with the company. Is there a part 5 to this?
They said in the video all departments kept separate and there was never any talks between them. So they probably lied to everyone. The one scientist they had probably got told lies and then everyone else was probably to that tests are going great. She lied to everyone in her company
They let the consultants take d test n their lab. After the pricking they will show the consultants around d facility (except the lab where the tests r really done)while waiting for the results. After an hour theywill show the results which r accurate(bcoz it was tested with the standard machine not the edison machine)
There was a scientist whose name appears on her patents and he was deeply involved in the company. He killed himself. His story and his wife appears on the HBO documentary "The Inventor" which is also on TH-cam. It's really sad that her delusions and ambitions dragged in hundreds of people into her world. We all need jobs and I myself worked for a tiny startup which oddly enough had similar issues.
I love how Jack Ma is thoroughly unimpressed when Clinton mentions her age. He's a REAL visionary and billionaire.
@Sarah Parker Probably his dick also
He almost dumped his own wife with that number. Crooks are not immune to their own vices. Ma knew she smelled artificial soy sauce.
@@namelessonewanderland3428 Exactly, now it´s known that even her low pich voice was fake, she faked it to become more male, more credible, at least in her mind...
The guy is a shopkeep in a country of 1.3 billion people. Thats the "secret".
Ceremony
Bill: "Don't worry about the future , we are in good hands" now that you say it I'm getting more worried 😟
Dont succumb to worry.Easier said than done right🙏
From there you know the Clintons have bad judgement
Bill Clinton 😂😂😂 cracked me up 19 when she launched the company and in his head "17 when he met her on the lolita express on their way to Lolita Island lol
It depends on what your definition of 'good' is?
19 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the Clinton interview: Jack Ma does the “Meh” hand gesture
He was being sarcastic.
"... to the young women... do everything you can to be the best..."
Including lying to everyone, putting the public in possible danger, and using a fake voice.
Jack Ma on the podium already had her figured out so he wasn't too enthusiastic about the crowd's applause.
Greed can mess you up..
Passion is not passion once you can't differentiate right from wrong....
Hussein Hussein best comment I’ve read about her so far 👍🏼
Her passion was money since day one
Not just anybody could've pulled this off..like it or not
@Sarah Parker we are all living on borrowed time. Any ole crazy person can't just talk billionaire investors out of their money. She is borderline genius. Her charm & passion is undeniable.
@Sarah Parker So easy, why havnt you gained any investors to bite into your endeavors??
If the technology didn’t work, WHAT the heck did all those employees do day after day for 6 years?
Try and make it work.
Process the results of all tests ordered in Arizona
Costanza: ‘they had a great pastry cart’ :)
Spending the hundreds of millions they scam the investors. Give me that amount of money and I would find lots of stuff to do in 6 yrs time frame. :D
@May Show you are right... These two scam artists were paranoid of others finding out about their proprietary technology that didn't work...and worried more about litigation than the actual product.
4:35 you can hear her real voice when she said “I was 19”
Not really. Her real voice is a lot higher in pitch.
She looks like the Overly Attached Girlfriend Meme
"google maps says 12 minutes away, it took you 15 minutes, who is she"
Laughs in Elizabeth..hoh hoh hoh
@@jaimefish173 at least the girl behind the overly attached girlfriend meme is a nice girl in real life.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I took you dog
Bill: You founded this company 12 years ago right? Tell them how old you were!
Elizabeth: 19
Bill: 😏
Hahahaha
@SportDiver 2 oh Stfu ! Clinton was an actual president. Not this FAKE ass president trump!
Oh shut up already. It’s not about him.
9-12 years too old for that "comet-pizza" loving lot
@@daytoncoke790 He and his family trafficked cocaine to finance his governor of Arkansas campaign and now they traffic kids through their Clinton foundation. Real fucking presidential!! Wake up and smell the Coke Dayton..
Jack Ma immediately smelled the bullsh*t from his reaction.
I've invented a fully functional human teleportation device. It'll revolutionize the transportation industry. Now, pay me a billion dollars.
I bet there is a car or plane involved.
Pretty much what happened.
Are you a skinny blonde with blue eyes?
Is Kissinger on your board of directors?
Or ... maybe ... can you get Trumpie on board ....
and i have a bridge in Brooklyn that i will sell you as well.
Best time to use the meme:
“Thanos: All that for a drop of blood”
This whole scandal is so fascinating because it flips the view we have of these rich, knowledgeable CEOs right on its head. They all really aren't as smart or as enterprising as we think; just old men being led by their wallets.
And their little heads
Led by their wallets and by their d*cks. LOL They all fell for the scam of a young and attractive woman. I am sure if Elizabeth was a guy she would have been caught a long time ago.
lol look at Jack Ma's face when she says she was only 19 4:41
Maybe he knows the beef
HAHA Honestly didn't even notice
Well she dropped out of college at 19 and founded her company then so she didn't lie, did she??
@@patrickotshumbe4201 I wouldn't say setting up a scheme is founding a company (that would be unfair to the real entrepreneur) but sure.
@@sherriecao3491 Hahaha fair enough
Jack Ma is not impressed.
He actually had a great idea and put in work. He is probably sick that a person like Elizabeth screwed people over like this with a faulty device.
And imagine what kind of people are elected presidents.
Its called Alibaba Inteligence
04:26 a real entrepreneur, Jack Ma, is trying hard to not laugh at her ridiculous hulk voice
Elizabeth Theranos (Thanos)!!!!
Is this the same guy that’s missing now??
AttilatheThrilla yes the ccp did that
@@AttilatheThrilla he's not missing lmao, he's just laying low after screwing with the government
@@sokritlun1624 the CPC is the best government in the world dude
When Bill Clinton spoke highly of a young lady, you would get concerned, right?
ldjstudy - Both for the young lady and for everyone else.
Right lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣 very true
Yes but he did not have sex with her.
When the DeVos family, including Betsy, invests $100 million, I get concerned. That's the much bigger issue.
This is literally many start ups in Silicon Valley. She got caught because she chose medicine as the area of focus.
What other startups are like this one? In terms of fraud and deceit I mean.
That's an absolute fact.
Medicine - as in dealing with life and death
Yup medicine no joke.. if she chose new iphone. She would gotten away
@@calvincarl2813 Nikola
03:38
My jaw is on the floor. I can’t believe this actually went through with Walgreens and I didn’t hear about any of this.
I remember when I was on a certain medication that needed blood tests every month, and when I tried to use Theranos, the Walgreens flobotomist told me that theranos wasn’t applicable to my case. I only needed one vile, and thought it was so weird. A month later all the drama started happening....crazy that an idea that so obviously can’t work was so widespread. A bunch of ego maniacs and “big picture” people coming together and this is what you get 🤦🏽♀️
How are you doing now?
I need to see her in an orange jumpsuit for me to feel okay about this story. What is the difference between her and some drug lord?
Ashley Jones right, but the media would never do that to a blonde, blue eyed white woman🙄
That drug Lord was clear about his objectives....but she wasn't
@John Proctor I like the sarcasm... I hope it was.
The difference? The drug Lords product actually works 😂😂😂
really ashley your comparing her to drug lords that is an offense to them.
It's great that an actual journalist finally started to ask real questions, but let's not forget that it was the media who made her a star to begin with.
"don't worry about the future, were in good hands"
Yes bill thats a fyre statement
The Wolf of Wall Street has NOTHING on Elizabeth hahaha
Where's the rest? Why do we have to play this episode game?
The titles are consistent and chronological this time.
Milking the system.
For ad money
It's linked in the description box, to their website that requires a subscription.
This is free entertainment. Why you cryin’ loser?
4:19 Jack Ma, sitting next to this crook LOL
Love Jack Ma's face at 4:42 😂😂😂
In medical field people with actual degrees take years and years to make a breakthrough discovery
Precisely!
True. One of my best friends has a PhD in biology & biochemistry and worked for some of France and Luxembourg's most renowned laboratories and medical firms. He used to write publications just for cell treatment and he used to spend 10 hours a day for months even years just to study cells. There's no fucking way her idea would ever be viable.
She thought she was smarter than everyone
If there’s one redeeming about this story, it’s that Betsy Devos got soaked for a hundred mil. 💸💸💸💸💸
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And evil Murdoch and other evil rich elites. Lmao😂😂🤣😆
I feel zero sympathy for these rich elites. Majority of them are EVIL.
I was happy to see that! Lol
Let it sink in that they lost hundreds of millions and are still billionaires. That was chump change.
😂
True and she's still richer than you are.
Bill Clinton was probably trying to hit that
Nah...she's too old for Bill. Bill Clinton likes 'em YOUNG. Like...under age young.
I'm sorry, in some of her photos she has crazy eyes. Never trust the crazy eyes!
No doubt... He was mesmerized!
He probably did, for a couple millions........
That says more about your punk ass than President Clinton.
She was the greatest hustler of all time with the gift of gab ...if she wrote a book on how to hustle ppl I’d buy it
Lol.
Not me. I wouldn’t give her 1 cent
What all these old men said “I was impressed by the technology” or “I just saw the potential that was there” yadayadayada. What they didn’t admit, was “I was drawn in by how much money this could possibly make me if she was right and we could successfully dupe people”
It’s hilarious how everyone was praising her. That aged well.
Hilarious and sad at the same time how men no matter what education losing their mind in front of an attractive woman.
The only person who didn't believe was Jack Ma 4:20
i believe that a powerful and intelligent man would have the people's background checked by his professionals before actually meeting them. So probably his professionals told him that something was finish about this woman. Otherwise, he was just smart enough to know something was a bit off.
Well said now I watch the video again, jack ma did a that’s crazy jesture. Wow
"We can not lose sight of how much we wanted to believe," is a quote that sums up the issue. Yes, Holmes was deceitful at the very least. But, how she got where she got in terms of funding, being supported in every way....well its a perfect example of the power of charismatic leadership - bad or good doesn't matter -- the masses support what makes them feel better/safer/more secure. The fact of humans making decisions based on perception vs reality has always been like that - for better or worse. In other words, the problem isn't people like Holmes, but the default of tribal thinking(eg., to quote from the video on the topic of why one investor invested millions ...because his friend did it!: "well if you're doing it, it must be good...", This, coupled with the lack of critical thinking in each of us, NO duh she raised millions.
"We call them Nano-tainers."
"Is that a small container?"
"Thats proprietary."
"Ohhhhhh."
Investors in her company: Dang, we threw hundreds of millions down the drain. This must be the stupidest investment in history.
Bloomberg the presidential candidate: Hold my beer.
She gives me the most creepy cold stone vibes ever, she just flat out frightens me.
I agree . Looks like she could just as easily been a serial killer. That fake ass voice just for starters.
that is because you are intelligent
How was her company legally allowed to do blood tests when the method and technology were secret?
Carreyrou’s book explains it.
She lied and no one told.
4:14 the creepiest thing I’ve seen in years.
So true 😂
i thought i was the only one lol
WKWKWKWKKKK
Her story is a good story for mankind. To allow us to know what kind of gimmicks and chicanery a psychopath can pull off. And raising awareness of the micro behaviors of Psychopathy. This story is a model for " Psychopaths in Business and as Leaders"
Yep! People think that psychopaths are murders.
Funny you should say that.
Ive developed a testing device that can detect psychopaths.
You simply blow into the device, which is a modified breathalyzer.
Instantly it detects 88 different types of mental disorders.
I hope to partner with McDonald's and have these test administered in the drive thru line.
4:37 Jack Ma's reactions were *priceless* 😅
I love how she made a fool of everyone. There is something really satisfying about crooks who get famous politicians and billionaires and Hollywood people to spew falsehoods for them.
Yeah a bunch of old rich white men who needed their egos stroked. Lol they deserve what they got. however it hurt innocent people as well.
@Shocked most of her backers and men on her board are Republican. Lol
@Shocked owners of Walmart, Betsy Devous, Larry Ellison, Rupurt Murdock, gave her millions, all Republican. Henry Kissinger and George Shultz sat on her board, both Republican. This is all documented and can be looked up. Don’t speak unless you can actually back up your claims. You look foolish otherwise.
Good reminder to them that they aren’t untouchable
She is a pretty evil woman. A witchy woman , she got the crazy look in her 👀 !
I was thinking the same thing! Lol She probably would have tried to intimidate me with her education.
I use to love her as my idol but not anymote😠😠😠
Shes probably great in bed 🤣😂🔥👹
I wanna know what’s going on in the basement dammit!! Lol. Where’s part 5?
That's where the real the lab was located. Everything upstairs was just for show.
Traditional old school biochem lab , where you need to wait hours to get results. This was where the actual blood testing was done
Read Bad Blood : Secrets and Lies of a Silicon Valley Startup. Everything is in the book. In detail. Really good book.
Child sex trafficking ring.
CLICK ON THE LINK ON TH BOTTOM
The Theranos principle - any company whose board consists solely of elderly luminaries from the fields of politics and/or the military who have no domain knowledge in the technologies underlying the companies products is probably a giant con job.
Elizabeth Theranos (Thanos)!!!!
This should have been a red flag. However, from what I have read in "Bad Blood" was that they feared missing out on the hottest trend. That is what happened with Walgreens, who even had an expert who advised them to NOT take the deal. Many medical researchers and professionals were hopeful but extremely hesitant about her work, specifically if it was scientifically sound at all, but since they were not the ones with money, many dismissed them.
In those 4 seconds, Jack Ma did these 4 things and made these thoughts 1. makes facial expression and thinks, 19yr old, must have started company through pure emotion and lack of judgement 2. waves his hand around and thinks , hmm, maybe possible but highly unlikely 3. looks up and thinks, yea this company is pure BS and will fail 4. scratches his head, wait why am I sitting next to her again?
Did u see jack ma's reaction 🤣
How many ppl came down here to see where Elizabeth Holmes was hiding episode 5
@Sarah Parker It's funny for the rest of us.
She lives in San Francisco w her maaaan lmao but u can find the info just looking her up
Elizabeth Theranos (Thanos)!!!!
What were all those people in white coats doing all day??....
If you were talking about the lab employees, they were under the guise that they were working on revolutionary medical testing and research. Additionally, I would imagine that many saw through the scam after working on it for a while, but probably had to sign NDAs and other documents to prevent them from commenting on their time at Theranos. I remember that a couple employees address the testing results with Holmes and Holmes literally told them to cover it up and fake the data.
They had a revolving door of lab technicians and employees because of this, where employees are starstruck by Holmes and her "miracle" technology, then do testing and experiments only to find that something was amiss, they address it to Holmes or higher-up who told them to follow her instructions or get out, employees either comply (with low morale) or leave the company, new employees are hired and the cycle begins all over again.
Having sex...
Reminds me of avenue 5 sitcom 🤣
Judging by the book, they were working against Elizabeth’s management style all day.
@ocelot. I KNEW THEY WERE JACKIN IT
Her "success" depended on the ignorance of her investors and enablers regarding the realities of in vitro diagnostics. Molecules in human blood are not 1s and 0s controlling a display screen - it's clear that many who were convinced by her story didn't appreciate that difference. There are thousands of very bright and experienced people in that field who have dreamed the same dreams about miniaturizing and multiplexing but they lacked the psychopathology she brought to the enterprise! It's worth noting that the only medical professional in this report saw through her immediately.
rspins No, her success depended on the fact that Silicon Valley wanted to virtue signal and prop a woman up to the position of CEO of a company that they were comparing to apple and Facebook. She had the slightly intellectual but also somewhat attractive look. Poster girl for saying: look, women have it made
@@CXY96 since when did they care enough to do so? This story is strange.
@@iadesigns California, San Francisco/Bay Area especially is huge on "social justice" and anything that isn't straight, white, or male. Holmes was just a tool in the leftist agenda.
@@CXY96 her biggest boosters were old white men, mostly conservative: Shulz, Kissinger, Mattis, Frist, later Murdoch. Not exactly promoters of the anti- white male agenda. While her gender and age were huge factors in the attention she got, I think you're driving a square peg in a round hole here.
rspins I think it’s foolish to think that those white male board members were there because they believed in her grand vision. They were there for a paycheck and because this somewhat attractive blonde woman was asking them for help
4:40 Jack Ma be thinking "I was failing KFC interview at that time"
4:38 Jack calculated her BS on the spot!
4:40 Elizabeth Holmes: "Bawl, Bawl, Bawl!"
Jack Ma: "What the...? The heck with it!"
i think im more mad at abc for not releasing the full documentary on youtube than i am with holmes.
@@msdadsfsx she made a box called Edison, a drop of blood pricked from the finger prick in the "nanotainer"and inserted into the box that can give results on around 250 diseases.
It wasn't practical and a big failure.
I prefer fecanos
She all talking like Romy from Romy and MIchelles High School Reunion lol
Yes!! My first thought when I heard her. LMAO
Exactly!!!
I'm shocked every time I come across this story. She dropped out but was able to open a medical centre? She received billions in donations without any factual work, the media ate it up and sought after personalities revered her??? That's insane to me, I'm not gonna buy a car because the car salesman is explaining it to me like a Shakespeare sonnet... I need to see it and take it for a test drive first. Maybe because I'm in the uk because she would've been caught from the first step and I don't get how she swindled so many "elites" so easily.
"Ain't no fool like an old fool" is how the saying goes, right?
Meh obviously we wouldnt fall for it because hindsights 20/20. You know what she did and now youre saying the stuff youre saying. Its like a cult it sounds stupid until you look from within. She had a prototype and you dont know the tactics/manipulation methods she used to get people to invest. Personality and confidence can make you manipulate so many people. It looks obvious now but surely wasnt so obvious back then
@@marcorojas-vazquez6792 thinking back now, anyone who had a smidge of experience on the the field quickly realised it was a pipe dream within her expectations and told her so, hence why she didn’t allow to have any of them on the board of directors. You’re right because it’s easy for me to say this when I could’ve fell for her tricks while simultaneously disregarding important factors. A lack of discernment if you will.
I love how they zoom in on her crazy eyes. 👁️👁️👀😳
All of this, without a drop of proof that it ever worked... I'd say they all got duped! Lol 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ She probably is a genius.
Duped a bunch of old farts
@4:40 just look at jack ma even he knew lmao
Look at JM expression when she said she was 19 when she started the company! ;))
did that old lady just say packin heat? lol 6:32
Just look at Jack Ma's face and hand movements in that Clinton interview when she says she was 19 when she started the company 😂😂 he had scepticism written all over his face 😂😂😂😂
Whoever made this you screwed😫 we need part 5😭😭😭
She looks like Mark Zuckerberg's sister.
Bill Clinton: tell em how old you were
Holmes: I was 19
Bill: 😏
Love Jack Ma's expressions during that Bill Clinton interview.... looks like he knew something was off.
I am a PhD with expertise in physiology and biotechnology, and I am pretty sure it would have taken me 5 minutes to bust her. As well as, I do not see any particular brilliance and charisma in her. And how, these "brilliant" Apple minds got sucked in it, is beyond me. I wish I could meet all these rich gullible people willing to give me money on just an idea (and I have many revolutionary ones!)
@John Proctor you know it! Still,you wonder how Apple could become a successful iconic business with such dumbdumbs at the top
I can't wait for the movie adaption. Really interesting.😁
“ I was impressed with the technology “ HAVE YOU SEEN IT FUNCTION YET
bill Clinton "dont worry about the future, were in good hands" lol
Can we all agree on the fact that the editing on these videos are dope👌
lol, we're "in good hands" 🤣 right right.
Bill said the same to himself about Monica.
The snake-oil sellers are many.
False prophets are many.
I understand why Steve Jobs and others dropped out to make a multi-million tech company.
But here she dropped out without completing any degree in medicine to gamble with the lives of people. How come nobody took notice of that?
Kudos to the editor 👍. It's a world class editing !
Fake it till you make it is unfortunately still present in Silicon Valley, she just took it to a new level.
Elizabeth Holmes may have failed at creating a revolutionary technology but, she did prove that the rich and successful have the same fault of not waiting for proof before believing something. Thanks Liz!
Yep, the funny thing is that in the documentary Walgreens hired a medical expert, but when he started ringing tons of alarm bells about Theranos, WalGreens ignored him because the potential money that is to be gain from the deal.
I somehow find this hilarious. Medical sciences and computer sciences speak completely different languages. If a medical reseacher was consulted, he would have said NO WAY. This is beyond an innovative breakthrough. It's simply impossible.
Bill clinton: ‚we‘re in good hands.‘ 🦗 🦗 🦗
Jack Ma - what a champ 4:40 😂😂😂
Bill “that didn’t age well” Clinton 😂😂😂
Read the book (finally). I remembered seeing Elizabeth on the cover of magazine, and thought - if she is legit, then yeah it’s pretty amazing. And a decade or so later I remember thinking “there goes (unfortunately) another example that will pull back women’s careers in science and medicine by years, because of a foolish person’s choices in life”.
What I was astounded was at the level she was able to pull funds and con experienced and important people in both business and politics - it’s an excellent case study for corporate governance and fraud prevention learning though.