While there is an emergency release for the rear door under the door insert in the Model Y, it is not as easy to get to and not as straight forward as the front seat door release buttons. Having the door buttons on the rear would likely allow Tesla to have laminated glass in the rear as well. However not sure how that would work with kids... 🤔
I'm a firefighter and I just watched a video of a Tesla that crashed into a pole, it was on fire, and the driver was trapped behind the laminated glass. Scary situation. The first in crew that responded had a firefighter try to break the glass with a conventional window punch device, that didn't work. Then he tried smashing it with some forcible entry tools, that didn't work either. The driver ended up dying. It took 45 mins to extinguish the flames and 15 mins to get the car doors open. It's 1:32AM and I'm now making it my mission to figure out an effective way to get around this situation if I ever have to pull up to a similar car accident. Thanks for sharing this.
Sad about Angela Chao who recently died in her Tesla submerged in a pond near her home in Austin TX. @jordanstevens1062 have. you found a solution to break the glass?
Thanks for your service and doing things 99% of us could not handle❤. Where and when did that accident you mentioned hapoen.. was it laminated glass, what model year? . Thank you.
Sorry to hear that man. Hopefully people leave the back windows as tempered glass so that can be an entry point for fire fighters or anybody trying to rescue the driver/passengers.
There is a big problem with putting these laminated glass windows as the front passenger and driver windows. It is nice that someone cant break your window in if they are trying to break into your car, but on the flipside, it is REALLLLYYYY bad if you are having a medical emergency in your car, or car goes in the water, or anything is pressed against the door not allowing you to open it. The window is the prime escape/enter (for EMS, Police, Fire) personnel. Laminated glass removes that which is scary.
@@Resist4 it’s not about being able to kick it out or in. It’s about time. Time is money in emergency situations. Taking time to kick a window in, versus just using a window punching tool that takes seconds is crucial.
@@ItsTylerWolfe if this were really that big of a deal safety regulators and consumer groups would mandate that laminated glass not be used on the side windows of any vehicle. But it's just a non issue for the far majority of accidents.
I worked at the autoglass place for several years an have seen both. Laminated glass is MUCH easier to crack. We had many customers coming for replacement after a rock bouncing off the other vehicle and asking it to replace it with a tempered version (some trucks had a temporary switch over in certain years). Furthermore, laminated glass has very sharp and dangerous broken pieces, whereas tempered not. If you tint a tempered glass, it holds the broken glass together and prevents it from falling apart..
@@oscar_ig6465 Not quit. If the window shatters it keeps it together but it is very easy to then punch a hole through it with you hand, unlike laminated glass.
@@Resist4 Not when the door gets crushed or bent in a certain way that locks it in place. Even regular, mechanical cardoors, cant be opened. Its actually a common occurrence in car accidents. And kicking the window out isnt always feasible, say for example you are in severe shock from an accident or what if your legs even got crushed. You will have to have enough space and energy left to be able to turn your legs up against the windows, which is already hard for me to simulate in a perfect environment without shock or injury 😂 Safetywise, I believe tempered glass is still superior. Dont worry, I love Tesla, not a hater.
@@Roobeyns there will always be accident situations with no good outcome but once the data comes back with laminated side glass, I’ll bet it ends up being better for occupant survival. It’s funny how no nobody complains about the glass the Cybertruck is going to have.
Great demo. There are advantages to laminated glass, but I would not want to be inside a vehicle with laminated side windows with inoperable doors if there were a vehicle fire...as you showed, the usual glass breaker tools are entirely ineffective.
WRONG ,Wrong,Wrong I was part of a team that tempered 40 tons of glsss 5 days a week. When it shatters it's a little messy but it seldom will make a serious cut. Laminated glass is total different. If it is hit with a really hard force that glass turns into flying knives ! Low to medium impacts will stay in or near its pre-impact location. BUT a large object with alot of momentum can turn that Windshield into deadly shards. If you don't believe me talk to your local Fire and Rescue people !
Always wonder... what about drowning inside the car, and door/windows are not opening. How to get out of the car ? How to brake it effectively and get out ?
Good point wonder if they could figure something out with that edge case. Like a inflatable with a wire attached when it floats inside the door it'll drop the window instantly.
I’m more worried while I drive that a semi driver is typing on his phone while driving and hiting me front to front killing me instantly than me somehow driving in to a lake and drowning 😬
@@coredumperror that opens the door which I think is almost impossible to do under water until the car is completely full of water then while you're holding your breath you could but wow it would be hard to stay calm until you could.
Great demo! Laminated is the better option IMO. While I've never known anyone that needed to break the driver's window to escape a car, I've know at least 3 people who have had road debris come through the driver's side window and almost caused them to loose control and crash.
Just add some film to tempered glass for a similar effect. Tint is irrelevant, so it can be very light or even completely clear, but it's remarkable how much integrity a thin piece of plastic film can add to glass. Enough to make those window breaker hammers useless.
You are using an emergency window breaker which is to be used in a car accident were the door jam and the only way to get out is breaking the glass. What will you do if this happen with laminated windows? How are you going to get out. Other example you just have an accident and you are passed out the car is on fire all door are locked. Some one run to you for help first they break the window open the lock open the door and get you out. How are they going to help you if they can not break the window.
From my experience in an accident where my door couldn’t open after, I’m glad I had tempered glass. The window was where the cops was able to pull me through. Laminated glass my have complicated the process
Have you guys attempted installing laminated glass into the 2020 model Y that came with tempered glass? Does it fit correctly without changing trim/mounting points/motor?
@@mac9899 Not a bad upgrade for around $500 plus your time or labor. That's if they end up really making any difference. I'm thinking temperature more than sound along with the obvious safety aspect.
35 years ago in the UK, driving a VW Golf GT at high speed, a rock blew out the HARDENED windscreen! Scariest thing ever while driving. The eat splitting explosion! NO visibility! Had to slam on the breaks and pray! People, laminated glass is a BIG deal. THANK YOU for spending the money to show the difference 👍
I see you guys had lots of fun. Remember though, that the armored glass is not "glass". It is ALON, Aluminum-Oxy (Oxygen)-Nitrate (Nitrogen). It is a composite. Mixed and press molded under high pressure and temperature I think. Then polished a lot to a very smooth surface so ulike glass, it is extremely hydrophobic. Water and dirt will just shed off easily, much better than when using Rain-x on Glass. It is 4x harder than glass equivalent to Sapphire (I think it is).
I was doing some research on Tesla fire fatalities and a fair number (~25 of 77) of incidents involved occupants being trapped in the car and burning - especially driver and passenger. What I'm curious about is if there is a way to easily exit the car in an event of all electronic & mechanical failure. It's possible the window hammer would not be able to free trapped occupants in time, if at all.
@@mcplutt almost all commercial windows are tempered, any pane in a door that swings or slides is tempered, and any residential windows that are within 5 feet of a pool are required to be tempered or fitted with a security laminate
3:50 WRONG!!!!!!!!!! There IS a rear manual door release but it is hidden in the bottom of the storage area of the rear door. You have to wedge the divet out and pull on the release there.
Certainly not for emergencies tho as they wouldn't have made it so difficult to find. It must be for some scenario when working on the car and the circuit that deals with that door is not working.
There are a lot of expert comments on here, and it's really great to see that no one repeats the same questions or concerns. I agree with all of those that foresee the serious safety concerns with laminated glass on side windows, Tesla engineers always overlook safety in their designs. Seriously though, it would have been interesting to see if the two windows broke under the same loads, or if that differed.
2 things: 1. How would you “emergency release” front doors under water in case the car ends up submerged? The outside pressure prevents door from being opened under water - basic physics that apply to Tesla as well I presume 😀 I can not see how this manual door release solves anythings for cases like that. In fact laminating driver and passenger front side windows prevents them from being easily broken in case of needing to get out if the car is submerged. 2. What about the sun roof? Is the sunroof glass in the latest (2021) Teslas laminated or not?
In Florida there are many lakes and canals into which cars frequently end up. You can't open doors when in water so you have to break the tempered glass. With laminated glass you are SOL.
When they temper the glass it goes over a roller system into a furnace. It blows air so hot in both flat surfaces till its red hot and the glass compresses. Its weakest on the edges. Hardest in the center. The compression is why it explodes when broken.
I have a 2018 Model 3 and I would not consider putting laminated windows in unless the side window was already damaged. I would definitely do the upgrade if the window had already been broken. I think you are right to suggest Tesla put laminated glass in that rear window that is known to be broken out by thieves to gain entry into the rear hatch area. I hope Tesla does that on future vehicles.
Its 2022 and i have laminated Windows all around but no mechanical release on the rear doors where my kids are. but the rear window is very light and easy to shatter. Thats our only way out if the doors don't open
I have a Tesla. The rear manual release is under a rubber mat and then you have to flip up a plastic cover to access it. Horrible 1. It took me a few minutes to find the lip to pull the rubber mat away. 2. After a few minutes I figured that out and then I couldn’t open the plastic hatch to access the manual release. I had to go in garage and get a screwdriver to jam it open. 3. After I got that open, my hand/fingers couldn’t fit to pull the release!!! (It’s a small loop) So imagine your battery catches fire and you have 1-2 minutes to escape. And yes you can game plan all you want for a situation, but MOST people perform poorly in life or death situations. And god forbid you have kids strapped in the back it adds to the Horror.
I do not like laminated glass on side windows. It is said that it prevents people from being ejected out of a car incase of an accident, but the seatbelt does that as well. Laminated glass just makes it very hard to escape from a car incase of an emergency.
The Tesla Model y does have a emergency door release handle it is at the bottom of the door in the storage cubby under the little mat then you have to remove the little door and is that white cable cord rope looking
Emergency release can (should not) be added to rear doors because of Children opening the doors. Then child safety locks would be mute if you could open the door with an emergency handle. So you should not use laminated on the rear because since you can not open the door, or when using a child safety lock, breaking the glass would be much harder when you need to get out contrary to when using tempered.
I believe there is a cut-off loop behind the small rear windows that allows firefighters to cut electricity in case of an emergency. That may be the reason why the small triangle windows are tempered.
isn’t it super dangerous when you end up in the water?! Normally you would break the tempered glass with a hammer like that but now you can’t do that with laminated glass. and the doors usually can’t open when you’re submerged.
On a frameless window like on Teslas you'd want to kick/stomp the top corner of the door glass. With mild pressure it will snap and fold over, giving you a way to exit.
Probably a bad move to introduce laminated glass in front side windows since the higher danger is fire escape in an event of thermal runaway than little bits of tempered glass falling on my face. So now if the doors gets stuck because of body deformation we'll have to climb in the back seat while being burned alive to escape, if that's even possible.
I would be interested to know if there is a difference in thermal insulation, both radiation as well as conduction between the two glass types. Theroretically a Low-E coating (from Low Emissivity), a thin metal or metal oxide layer applied to glass to reduce emissivity, could be applied between the glas panes.
Are you aware that if a Tesla is in an accident that the door auto open after the cars comes to a stop, like when hitting the electrical door release. It is my understanding that they actually have a secondary power source to open the doors...
Exactly. Lot of engineers said it was stupid. They were called boring by the Tesla fan boys. Them calling tempered glass in this video a safety issue is insanely stupid. So much of these pros for the laminated glass is stupid. Your seatbelt keeps you in the car, not the windows. Wtf are these morons talking about.
Honestly if it makes a 1-2dB difference at highway speeds it’s worth the $530 parts cost (assuming it’s a drop in replacement on previous gen Model 3s & Ys). Looking forward to your upcoming sound test!
@@Resist4 yeah but cars like volvo have alot of insulation throughout so laminated glass is amazing must have in my opinion for a reduction in road noise.
Tesla can go ahead and start making the doors with manual release and back panel glass tempered because people can order them and have them installed by mechanic as a upgrade package
4:10 Did I miss something? I felt like he was trying to explain or make point about the rear windows and then there was nothing but words. Where's the part where they explain why there's no laminated glass in the rear?
Hmm this would make escape a problem though? I think I'd rather tempered glass in my Tesla, not really seeing the benefits of laminated in the side windows (and I love my Tesla M3!)
Definitely prefer tempered glass over laminated for side windows. If I ever end up in water I don’t want to have to wait till I sink to the bottom of the lake/ocean to be open the door because I can’t break the window. I’ve seen the mythbusters episode.
There are a lot of car burglaries with lots of broken windows where I live. My windows have still been broken but as far as them getting into my car. Not anymore. It’s to much work for one a it draws more attention beating and banging on a car.
The laminated glass is strong. We had an attempted break in on our 22 model x plaid. This guy could not break thru. He was basically jumping on the glass.
I picked up my Model Y in November and it was a 2021, however I guess my VIN was early so I didn't get the laminated glass unfortunately. I have sat in one, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference whatsoever.
Thanks for this video. I was wondering what happened if you tried to break the laminated glass. Also love how they just throw this into new cars at no extra cost. Even though my Model Y doesn't have it, it's still nice to see Tesla continually adding improvements to the car.
You forgot to mention how laminated glass delaminates, a few years down the road it will discolor and bubble between the panes, especially in desert climates.
nice work! I wonder how would tempered+filmed would behave. also I disagree with "most manufacturer don't go laminated"? 11:04 well in the premium/luxury you can definitely get accoustic glass side windows
We've had a rash of car jackings (over 70 in last 2-3 months) in Minneapolis, in one case they shot at a car window when a woman wouldn't get out quick enough...for some reason 2 of the 3 bullets bounced off, perhaps small pistol? Any thoughts on additional protection that this laminated glass might provide?
Actually it is not safe when the door gets crushed or bent in a certain way that locks it in place. Even regular, mechanical cardoors, cant be opened. For this reason emergency rescuers carries sawing equipment in their cars. Its actually a common occurrence in car accidents. And kicking the window out isnt always feasible, say for example you are in severe shock from an accident or what if your legs even got crushed. You will have to have enough space and energy left to be able to turn your legs up against the windows, which is already hard for me to simulate in a perfect environment without shock or injury 😂 Safetywise, I believe tempered glass is still superior. Dont worry, I love Tesla, not a hater.
Car companies go as far as removing USB ports to save money. To them saving $30 on every car equates to millions of dollars. If you sell 1 million cars, thats 30 million dollars
Are you going to try to fit the laminated window into an early Model Y. I would love to have my Model Y front windows upgraded to the laminated version. 😌
Do you think the results would have been different if you would have tested the side of the glass that is exposed to the environment? You tested (attempted to break) the side that is exposed towards the inside of the vehicle.
I'm not sure what you're getting at but the shape is more important than exposure. The outside is convex, the inside is concave. It's not likely to have any significant difference in this case, though. A highly concentrated point force will work the same on either side. It might make a difference with a larger, softer object like a board.
GREAT video guys!! question you mentioned that the new model 3 refresh comes with the laminated glass..are these available on abstract ocean's website for purchase?
It will be very resistant. The window cracked in the demo because they had been throwing the ball and many other things already, many times at the window before the show and it did not crack. ALON (which is the material) is 4x the hardness of glass equivalent to Sapphire. (I think that is the one)
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While there is an emergency release for the rear door under the door insert in the Model Y, it is not as easy to get to and not as straight forward as the front seat door release buttons. Having the door buttons on the rear would likely allow Tesla to have laminated glass in the rear as well. However not sure how that would work with kids... 🤔
Sounds like this is meant as a service release not an emergency release? 🤷♂️
I was thinking that during this video. Like wait isn't there a release. Glad y'all pinned it to hopefully deter that comment
Some reports from owners of 2021 Model Y that the release for the rear door in the side pocket is no longer there. Not sure why. 🤔
@@TeslaInventory interesting indeed thanks for sharing the information
i1Tesla added his own release cable to his rear doors.
I'm a firefighter and I just watched a video of a Tesla that crashed into a pole, it was on fire, and the driver was trapped behind the laminated glass. Scary situation.
The first in crew that responded had a firefighter try to break the glass with a conventional window punch device, that didn't work.
Then he tried smashing it with some forcible entry tools, that didn't work either.
The driver ended up dying. It took 45 mins to extinguish the flames and 15 mins to get the car doors open.
It's 1:32AM and I'm now making it my mission to figure out an effective way to get around this situation if I ever have to pull up to a similar car accident.
Thanks for sharing this.
Sad about Angela Chao who recently died in her Tesla submerged in a pond near her home in Austin TX. @jordanstevens1062 have. you found a solution to break the glass?
Thanks for your service and doing things 99% of us could not handle❤. Where and when did that accident you mentioned hapoen.. was it laminated glass, what model year? . Thank you.
Sorry to hear that man. Hopefully people leave the back windows as tempered glass so that can be an entry point for fire fighters or anybody trying to rescue the driver/passengers.
theyre supposed to use a windshield cutter
Bad news if you go off road into a lake. Those windows aren’t breaking.
There is a big problem with putting these laminated glass windows as the front passenger and driver windows. It is nice that someone cant break your window in if they are trying to break into your car, but on the flipside, it is REALLLLYYYY bad if you are having a medical emergency in your car, or car goes in the water, or anything is pressed against the door not allowing you to open it. The window is the prime escape/enter (for EMS, Police, Fire) personnel. Laminated glass removes that which is scary.
Laminated glass can be kicked out or in, just takes more effort but you don't need super human strength to do it.
@@Resist4 it’s not about being able to kick it out or in. It’s about time. Time is money in emergency situations. Taking time to kick a window in, versus just using a window punching tool that takes seconds is crucial.
@@ItsTylerWolfe if this were really that big of a deal safety regulators and consumer groups would mandate that laminated glass not be used on the side windows of any vehicle. But it's just a non issue for the far majority of accidents.
@@ihateyoutube999 That's not true at all. Learn about the cars before making blanket statements.
You can kick this window out in 1-2 hits pretty easily
I worked at the autoglass place for several years an have seen both. Laminated glass is MUCH easier to crack. We had many customers coming for replacement after a rock bouncing off the other vehicle and asking it to replace it with a tempered version (some trucks had a temporary switch over in certain years). Furthermore, laminated glass has very sharp and dangerous broken pieces, whereas tempered not. If you tint a tempered glass, it holds the broken glass together and prevents it from falling apart..
100% correct
So just tint the tempered glass and it’ll be like laminated glass
@@oscar_ig6465 Not quit. If the window shatters it keeps it together but it is very easy to then punch a hole through it with you hand, unlike laminated glass.
The laminate is almost too good. You want to be able to escape in case of emergency
You have to escape through the rear door windows.
@@mcplutt the top of the window is not supported in the outward direction so it can be kicked out with a little force..
You escape by using the manual emergency release.
@@Resist4 Not when the door gets crushed or bent in a certain way that locks it in place. Even regular, mechanical cardoors, cant be opened. Its actually a common occurrence in car accidents. And kicking the window out isnt always feasible, say for example you are in severe shock from an accident or what if your legs even got crushed. You will have to have enough space and energy left to be able to turn your legs up against the windows, which is already hard for me to simulate in a perfect environment without shock or injury 😂 Safetywise, I believe tempered glass is still superior.
Dont worry, I love Tesla, not a hater.
@@Roobeyns there will always be accident situations with no good outcome but once the data comes back with laminated side glass, I’ll bet it ends up being better for occupant survival. It’s funny how no nobody complains about the glass the Cybertruck is going to have.
A wise man told me "Glass is glass, and glass breaks"
Lol I like that your funny 😌
an even wiser man told me: Concrete will not burn, but it will crack.
Tempered glass is like paper. Try breaking into a car with laminated glass.
there is a manual release on the back door in the model Y. it's in the door pocket underneath the lift up tab.
Yeah but you are never getting to that in an accident.
Model 3 too
Great demo. There are advantages to laminated glass, but I would not want to be inside a vehicle with laminated side windows with inoperable doors if there were a vehicle fire...as you showed, the usual glass breaker tools are entirely ineffective.
WRONG ,Wrong,Wrong
I was part of a team that tempered 40 tons of glsss 5 days a week. When it shatters it's a little messy but it seldom will make a serious cut.
Laminated glass is total different. If it is hit with a really hard force that glass turns into flying knives !
Low to medium impacts will stay in or near its pre-impact location. BUT a large object with alot of momentum can turn that Windshield into deadly shards.
If you don't believe me talk to your local Fire and Rescue people !
It's a fricking DEATH TRAP is what it is. Horrifying.
"Breaking: Testing Tesla glass"
I see what you did there
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look in the rear door pocket under the mat , pull up the plastic thing pull the tab
What
WTF ?
Always wonder... what about drowning inside the car, and door/windows are not opening. How to get out of the car ? How to brake it effectively and get out ?
Good point wonder if they could figure something out with that edge case. Like a inflatable with a wire attached when it floats inside the door it'll drop the window instantly.
I’m more worried while I drive that a semi driver is typing on his phone while driving and hiting me front to front killing me instantly than me somehow driving in to a lake and drowning 😬
@@MacGyver1908 hopefully when fsd and Tesla semis get going you wont have to worry as much.
Wouldn't the emergency release lever, which they talked about a few times, do the trick?
@@coredumperror that opens the door which I think is almost impossible to do under water until the car is completely full of water then while you're holding your breath you could but wow it would be hard to stay calm until you could.
Great demo! Laminated is the better option IMO. While I've never known anyone that needed to break the driver's window to escape a car, I've know at least 3 people who have had road debris come through the driver's side window and almost caused them to loose control and crash.
Just add some film to tempered glass for a similar effect. Tint is irrelevant, so it can be very light or even completely clear, but it's remarkable how much integrity a thin piece of plastic film can add to glass. Enough to make those window breaker hammers useless.
You are using an emergency window breaker which is to be used in a car accident were the door jam and the only way to get out is breaking the glass. What will you do if this happen with laminated windows? How are you going to get out. Other example you just have an accident and you are passed out the car is on fire all door are locked. Some one run to you for help first they break the window open the lock open the door and get you out. How are they going to help you if they can not break the window.
From my experience in an accident where my door couldn’t open after, I’m glad I had tempered glass. The window was where the cops was able to pull me through. Laminated glass my have complicated the process
Have you guys attempted installing laminated glass into the 2020 model Y that came with tempered glass? Does it fit correctly without changing trim/mounting points/motor?
You guys look so official
They are professors.
I just love your no nonsense style!
As to the laminated glass - it’s probably more secure unless you are immersed in water.
Just did a video comapring the tesla model y with a rx can i get ur input !!!>
At least you don't have to worry about getting eaten by a shark
There is a mechanical release in the back doors. It is in the door well under the bottom cover. It is not a pull handle but a pull cord. Weird huh.
So the laminated side window can be substituted for the tempered glass with out any other changes to the mounting of it?
Good question. I wonder if the window seal is different to fit the slightly thicker double pane laminated glass.
From parts website it appears to be no other new parts, seals rakes motor, etc... So it looks like one could retrofit.
@@mac9899 Not a bad upgrade for around $500 plus your time or labor. That's if they end up really making any difference. I'm thinking temperature more than sound along with the obvious safety aspect.
Why would you want to substitute it for a single glass?
@@mcplutt I myself would only do it if the window had to be replaced and it made a quieter ride.
35 years ago in the UK, driving a VW Golf GT at high speed, a rock blew out the HARDENED windscreen! Scariest thing ever while driving. The eat splitting explosion! NO visibility! Had to slam on the breaks and pray!
People, laminated glass is a BIG deal. THANK YOU for spending the money to show the difference 👍
Thanks for confirming that it’s laminated, NOT double pane!!
Can old Tesla model 3 get those newer glasses ?
Before you smashed them, did you accurately measure the thickness of each piece using calipers?
I see you guys had lots of fun. Remember though, that the armored glass is not "glass". It is ALON, Aluminum-Oxy (Oxygen)-Nitrate (Nitrogen). It is a composite. Mixed and press molded under high pressure and temperature I think. Then polished a lot to a very smooth surface so ulike glass, it is extremely hydrophobic. Water and dirt will just shed off easily, much better than when using Rain-x on Glass. It is 4x harder than glass equivalent to Sapphire (I think it is).
Anxious to find out if the laminated glass cuts down on cabin noise
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I don't think it cuts out too much noise because you can still hear noise from the back seats.
I was doing some research on Tesla fire fatalities and a fair number (~25 of 77) of incidents involved occupants being trapped in the car and burning - especially driver and passenger. What I'm curious about is if there is a way to easily exit the car in an event of all electronic & mechanical failure. It's possible the window hammer would not be able to free trapped occupants in time, if at all.
You guys forgot to mention another benefit is security. SF and bay area have had problems with car robberies/break-ins. I hope this deters them
on a side note. tempered glass is found almost anywhere. inside a house (glass shower), windows, glass cups (drinks) and so on.
Almost never windows. But all glass tables.
@@mcplutt almost all commercial windows are tempered, any pane in a door that swings or slides is tempered, and any residential windows that are within 5 feet of a pool are required to be tempered or fitted with a security laminate
3:50 WRONG!!!!!!!!!!
There IS a rear manual door release but it is hidden in the bottom of the storage area of the rear door. You have to wedge the divet out and pull on the release there.
Not on my 2021
yes there is look under the mat in the rear door
Certainly not for emergencies tho as they wouldn't have made it so difficult to find. It must be for some scenario when working on the car and the circuit that deals with that door is not working.
@@dkhexican834 no there's not, looked under the mat on both sides, nothing in either.
@@danielvanced5526 3 or y?
There are a lot of expert comments on here, and it's really great to see that no one repeats the same questions or concerns. I agree with all of those that foresee the serious safety concerns with laminated glass on side windows, Tesla engineers always overlook safety in their designs.
Seriously though, it would have been interesting to see if the two windows broke under the same loads, or if that differed.
Laminate me! Less Road noise Would be Awesome! And more Tint! Nice demo guys, & cool Decal))😎
Less road noise.....not by much.
Please see if you can retrofit those laminated windows on to older model 3/Y's
Great demo guys.
Where I live (not by the lakes or rivers) I would change to this glass. Looks so much safer to me.
2 things:
1. How would you “emergency release” front doors under water in case the car ends up submerged? The outside pressure prevents door from being opened under water - basic physics that apply to Tesla as well I presume 😀 I can not see how this manual door release solves anythings for cases like that. In fact laminating driver and passenger front side windows prevents them from being easily broken in case of needing to get out if the car is submerged.
2. What about the sun roof? Is the sunroof glass in the latest (2021) Teslas laminated or not?
In Florida there are many lakes and canals into which cars frequently end up. You can't open doors when in water so you have to break the tempered glass.
With laminated glass you are SOL.
Just received our 2021 Model Y yesterday and checked to see if the rear small windows were laminated...they’re not.
Tesla has said from the start that only the driver and passenger front seat glass is laminated.
I replaced my front driver and passenger side with laminated. It did improve sound noticeably but not a deal breaker
When they temper the glass it goes over a roller system into a furnace. It blows air so hot in both flat surfaces till its red hot and the glass compresses. Its weakest on the edges. Hardest in the center. The compression is why it explodes when broken.
Laminated glass should be used on the rear windows too and then Tesla could just add emergency releases for the doors, like what's on the fronts.
I have a 2018 Model 3 and I would not consider putting laminated windows in unless the side window was already damaged. I would definitely do the upgrade if the window had already been broken. I think you are right to suggest Tesla put laminated glass in that rear window that is known to be broken out by thieves to gain entry into the rear hatch area. I hope Tesla does that on future vehicles.
Its 2022 and i have laminated Windows all around but no mechanical release on the rear doors where my kids are. but the rear window is very light and easy to shatter. Thats our only way out if the doors don't open
I have a Tesla. The rear manual release is under a rubber mat and then you have to flip up a plastic cover to access it. Horrible
1. It took me a few minutes to find the lip to pull the rubber mat away.
2. After a few minutes I figured that out and then I couldn’t open the plastic hatch to access the manual release. I had to go in garage and get a screwdriver to jam it open.
3. After I got that open, my hand/fingers couldn’t fit to pull the release!!! (It’s a small loop)
So imagine your battery catches fire and you have 1-2 minutes to escape. And yes you can game plan all you want for a situation, but MOST people perform poorly in life or death situations.
And god forbid you have kids strapped in the back it adds to the Horror.
I do not like laminated glass on side windows. It is said that it prevents people from being ejected out of a car incase of an accident, but the seatbelt does that as well. Laminated glass just makes it very hard to escape from a car incase of an emergency.
The Tesla Model y does have a emergency door release handle it is at the bottom of the door in the storage cubby under the little mat then you have to remove the little door and is that white cable cord rope looking
Brian from i1Tesla showed us these in his Model Y, Vin #409
Emergency release can (should not) be added to rear doors because of Children opening the doors. Then child safety locks would be mute if you could open the door with an emergency handle. So you should not use laminated on the rear because since you can not open the door, or when using a child safety lock, breaking the glass would be much harder when you need to get out contrary to when using tempered.
The default glass was always agp glass peru, why did tesla switch to another that day?
There is something soothing about listening to you two. Care to do a video on differential calculus next?
Great video, my question is does the new Tesla models have laminated roof glass?
All Teslas of all years have laminated roof glass, just like they have laminated windshields.
I believe there is a cut-off loop behind the small rear windows that allows firefighters to cut electricity in case of an emergency. That may be the reason why the small triangle windows are tempered.
ahh, good memories of watching that cybertruck livestream...
isn’t it super dangerous when you end up in the water?! Normally you would break the tempered glass with a hammer like that but now you can’t do that with laminated glass. and the doors usually can’t open when you’re submerged.
So what happens when I DO need to shatter the glass to escape?!
Nothing
On a frameless window like on Teslas you'd want to kick/stomp the top corner of the door glass. With mild pressure it will snap and fold over, giving you a way to exit.
Probably a bad move to introduce laminated glass in front side windows since the higher danger is fire escape in an event of thermal runaway than little bits of tempered glass falling on my face. So now if the doors gets stuck because of body deformation we'll have to climb in the back seat while being burned alive to escape, if that's even possible.
I would be interested to know if there is a difference in thermal insulation, both radiation as well as conduction between the two glass types. Theroretically a Low-E coating (from Low Emissivity), a thin metal or metal oxide layer applied to glass to reduce emissivity, could be applied between the glas panes.
6:46 how about if you are submerged in water though? Crawl to the back?
Just did a video comapring the tesla model y with a rx can i get ur input !!!>
@@lexithelexus7377 sure, I’ll go watch it!
@@jasong6460 Thanks !
Are you aware that if a Tesla is in an accident that the door auto open after the cars comes to a stop, like when hitting the electrical door release. It is my understanding that they actually have a secondary power source to open the doors...
Is this what just killed billionaire Angela Chao?
Exactly. Lot of engineers said it was stupid. They were called boring by the Tesla fan boys. Them calling tempered glass in this video a safety issue is insanely stupid. So much of these pros for the laminated glass is stupid. Your seatbelt keeps you in the car, not the windows. Wtf are these morons talking about.
Honestly if it makes a 1-2dB difference at highway speeds it’s worth the $530 parts cost (assuming it’s a drop in replacement on previous gen Model 3s & Ys). Looking forward to your upcoming sound test!
No, it's not worth it when you will still have tire noise and rear seat road noise, that the driver can hear.
@@Resist4 yeah but cars like volvo have alot of insulation throughout so laminated glass is amazing must have in my opinion for a reduction in road noise.
@@joewhite8079 and impossible for front occupants to break the glass to get out should the doors not open in an accident.
Tesla can go ahead and start making the doors with manual release and back panel glass tempered because people can order them and have them installed by mechanic as a upgrade package
4:10 Did I miss something? I felt like he was trying to explain or make point about the rear windows and then there was nothing but words.
Where's the part where they explain why there's no laminated glass in the rear?
Hmm this would make escape a problem though? I think I'd rather tempered glass in my Tesla, not really seeing the benefits of laminated in the side windows (and I love my Tesla M3!)
Will it fit into a older model 3 which used tempered glass? This seems x2 as thick as my model 3 window.
Definitely prefer tempered glass over laminated for side windows. If I ever end up in water I don’t want to have to wait till I sink to the bottom of the lake/ocean to be open the door because I can’t break the window. I’ve seen the mythbusters episode.
There are a lot of car burglaries with lots of broken windows where I live. My windows have still been broken but as far as them getting into my car. Not anymore. It’s to much work for one a it draws more attention beating and banging on a car.
Thanks. You answered all my questions.
My 2021 Y I took delivery of on 11/4 did not come with laminated glass but it is still very quiet.
What is the 10th digit of the VIN? Is it L or M?
@@TeslaInventory it is M
@@RickAtlanta weird. The other M car owners I've spoken to have laminated glass...
how do you know if it's laminated got my Y 11/21 2021
@@zaraz5130 the edge of the front door glass will be two panes of glass sealed together. It will be very evident.
The laminated glass is strong. We had an attempted break in on our 22 model x plaid. This guy could not break thru. He was basically jumping on the glass.
I picked up my Model Y in November and it was a 2021, however I guess my VIN was early so I didn't get the laminated glass unfortunately. I have sat in one, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference whatsoever.
Thanks for this video. I was wondering what happened if you tried to break the laminated glass. Also love how they just throw this into new cars at no extra cost. Even though my Model Y doesn't have it, it's still nice to see Tesla continually adding improvements to the car.
Most cars after 2017 have laminated glass for every window to protect people from being flung out when in a crash.
You forgot to mention how laminated glass delaminates, a few years down the road it will discolor and bubble between the panes, especially in desert climates.
Then you have to replace them, if needed.
@@mcplutt....that, or just have a shop install an 8mil security laminate on your tempered glass and be done with it
Really? Then what about all of our windshields? I am not so sure about that. Maybe cheaper ones.
rear seats also have emergency release but its a PITA to gain access ?
nice work!
I wonder how would tempered+filmed would behave.
also I disagree with "most manufacturer don't go laminated"? 11:04
well in the premium/luxury you can definitely get accoustic glass side windows
Even many Hyundai/Kia have accoutic side windows and 2021 Chrysler Pacifica.
You can put a laminate over the glass and get the same or better results.
You mean a film.
Awesome demo guys. Question...looking for the chrome TESLA Letters for tailgate and the T for tailgate of Model y. Suggestions?
We've had a rash of car jackings (over 70 in last 2-3 months) in Minneapolis, in one case they shot at a car window when a woman wouldn't get out quick enough...for some reason 2 of the 3 bullets bounced off, perhaps small pistol? Any thoughts on additional protection that this laminated glass might provide?
That defunding the police seems to be working out great!!
Awesome experiment! Thanks guys.
for laminated, get the hammer, hit several spots, and then use legs to push out the glass.
Actually it is not safe when the door gets crushed or bent in a certain way that locks it in place. Even regular, mechanical cardoors, cant be opened. For this reason emergency rescuers carries sawing equipment in their cars. Its actually a common occurrence in car accidents. And kicking the window out isnt always feasible, say for example you are in severe shock from an accident or what if your legs even got crushed. You will have to have enough space and energy left to be able to turn your legs up against the windows, which is already hard for me to simulate in a perfect environment without shock or injury 😂 Safetywise, I believe tempered glass is still superior.
Dont worry, I love Tesla, not a hater.
I don’t think those windows cost too much. Seems like a reasonable price. I was expecting 1000. Bet you apples will be 1000
Car companies go as far as removing USB ports to save money. To them saving $30 on every car equates to millions of dollars. If you sell 1 million cars, thats 30 million dollars
Are you going to try to fit the laminated window into an early Model Y. I would love to have my Model Y front windows upgraded to the laminated version. 😌
What brand shoes are you guys wearing?
Thank you!
feel like laminated glass would be awesome in most situations. baring egress when the door is blocked or jammed.
You can still kick out or in laminated glass.
Just had mine tinted, but if for some reason they breakI would go for the laminated - hope to see some aftermarket rear diffuser for MY - stay safe
Brake. Break
You could have a tinted laminate installed and not need to replace the glass
What are the labcoats for?
Do you think the results would have been different if you would have tested the side of the glass that is exposed to the environment? You tested (attempted to break) the side that is exposed towards the inside of the vehicle.
I'm not sure what you're getting at but the shape is more important than exposure. The outside is convex, the inside is concave.
It's not likely to have any significant difference in this case, though. A highly concentrated point force will work the same on either side. It might make a difference with a larger, softer object like a board.
Very nice demonstration! Appreciate it guys.
Just did a video comapring the tesla model y with a rx can i get ur input !!!>
Thanks for this comparison video!
GREAT video guys!! question you mentioned that the new model 3 refresh comes with the laminated glass..are these available on abstract ocean's website for purchase?
Abstract Ocean doesn't sell auto window glass. lol
What kind of glass is the roof?
Transparent obviously 😌
I hope it's laminated.
It's laminated, just like the windshield.
I’d sure like to know how resistant to rock chips the Cybertruck will be
It will be very resistant. The window cracked in the demo because they had been throwing the ball and many other things already, many times at the window before the show and it did not crack. ALON (which is the material) is 4x the hardness of glass equivalent to Sapphire. (I think that is the one)
Depends on what part of the Cybertruck the rocks hit. Stainless steel can still be scratched and windows can still be chipped.
Rear window still not laminated. You can easily check by taping on it. Super thin
When do you guys think they will change the Model Y center console to the new one?
That's a very good question.
Would love to have it all around. It would prevent break ins.
Better safety features for the coming apocalypse and the introduction of martial law.
You can go to any tint shop and get a 4mil security laminate installed and have the same results
This was a great video! I love the lab coats xD
Dang Lucien, I watch all your Brawl video. I didn’t think you payed attention to Tesla related video 😂❤️
How would this type of glass affect chip repairs?
pretty sure it won't change a thing as you can repair a windchill right? then you can repair that one. tempered glass however, cannot be repaired