As someone who's owned an R36 wagon and a Crown Athlete V wagon (and MANY other fast wagons/interesting daily drivers) I always find myself wanting another R36... Everything about them is just fantastic. If you get one with lower mileage and full service history from an owner who's looked after it, it's hard to beat! If you know people who work on these and can supply parts for cheap, they're no worse to maintain than most modern Japanese brands. Plus you have something cool ;)
As a German myself I really appreciate the bit of classic German music, felt almost like home. Not only the safety part but also the superb accent free announcement for the subchapters. On point. Other than that, as per usual a spot on review of an exquisite automobile. Gotta say though, Jim's insight on the signature VW diesel stink hit very hard on a very relatable level, iykyk
Thanks for the shoutout :) Minor correction: The R36 in Aus standard 'VW Sound System' has a 250w amp and 8 speakers. The Dynaudio option has a 10 speaker 600w Lear amp. Otherwise thanks for the great video! The steering map can be changed via software. As the ZF Gen3 rack is shared amongst a whole heap of cars the character of the steering is controlled by a map in the eeprom. Lots of people prefer the feel of the PQ RS3 map, or for a really direct feel the R32 map. Personally I think you might have leaned a little too heavily into the potential issues but it's fair to let people know what could be problematic. The advantage is that the potential weak points are all well known by this stage and easily identified. And given the PQ46 platform was about 10 years ahead of it's time in terms of electronics it's a really retrofittable car - adaptive cruise control, lane assist, park assist, side assist, OEM Android Auto and Apple Carplay can all be installed (which I've done).
600 watt is probably peak spread over 10 speakers. Which is more like 30 watt rms per channel and into 4 ohm. Or another way of looking at it is 15 watt rms into 8 ohm. So not all that powerful.
@@chuckmaddison2924 I drove a Passat with that Dynaudio system for over five years. Without question the best original car sound I've ever had in any car. Sound quality is excellent and power is more than enough.
I own a 2010 r36 sedan from new, it has been a dream, only issue on this list inexperienced was a power window issue that was easily fixed. DSG is slow at going from park to drive and reverse to drive but shifts are really quick when driving. Not sure the other cars suggested at the end of the video even come close to a well maintained r36. Great video even though I don’t totally agree. Love that blue, mine is black.
I've got a black 08 saloon as well, here in uk. Been very reliable. Rust is the biggest problem here. Had the car nearly 10 years now and hope to keep it as long as possible. The mechanic interviewed doesn't appear to be talking about this model. There is no key to turn and it uses very little oil, not being a turbo. I have had the parking brake issue...give me an old fashioned handbrake any day. The engine has been faultless. They are reliable units and can run to big miles. I found the video slightly annoying, to be honest.
My wife has a 2006 Passat sedan 2.0 turbo, we have put more money into the car then what it's worth! Complete money pit these cars! Not as reliable as once thought! For all the money we have put into it she could have had a new car! Don't recommend them!
I drive an R36 as my daily family wagon. Absolutely love driving to work, to the shops, road trips, it's just beautiful to drive. When you spend a good chunk of your life in a car, why not enjoy it! Also been pretty lucky with only minor stuff needing maintenance. I've decided I'll stop modifying it and spend money where it is needed so if a bigger cost item comes up I don't feel the pain as much. Also gotta say the rear is one of the best looking rears on the road.
I absolutely LOVED owning mine. Exact same colour & trim shown here too. Unfortunately for me, the DSG was the biggest gremlin I had. Cost of parts and waiting for said parts to arrive from Germany was too much for me, especially as it was my daily driver. Had to pull the plug and sell it... But every time I see one, it puts a massive smile on my face.
@@DaScorpi0n My Vr6 CC i just bought has 110k, hopefully repairs go well as it needs a ton work on interior, exterior, DSG and engine. Don't know where to start lol, calling a VW garage as i type this
I have the Passat cc with the R36 3.6 engine. It has 171,000 miles and the engine is smooth, sounds great and still quick. Main issues, handbrake stuck on (standard), headlight level sensor, haldex fault, 3 suspension springs replaced and replaced a lambda sensor. Owned for 7 years and put 105k on, a great car.
Owned the 2010 R36 for 8 years and it was brilliant! The sound it makes when you get up the rev range was addictive, but the fuel bills increased dramatically 😂 Loved the car, but after a pothole/rock hit (it was dark) that destroyed two wheels, it was quite the same and had an annoying whirring sound from somewhere on the left. Current car gets better fuel economy with more performance even with the roof racks loaded with bicycles!
Thanks for reviewing my love and joy! Love the work you guys do! Small correction though, at the time of the vid car still has stock Sachs suspensions on them. Stock height and ride quality, pretty firm but I’d say it’s very much refined given the size of this thing. Take care and enjoy the vid guys!
A few of my own words, Given the age of this thing, with a refreshed head unit it’s still going strong against new cars. This generation of german cars, as long as well looked after, they last. BUT, I work on my own cars, change fluids every 6months, hence it’s not too expensive for me in terms of maintenance. However, when certain things age and start to go wrong, like timing chains etc, be prepared to spend a few grand, but after that that’s another 10 years. So before you decide to go ahead, ask yourself whether you like it enough. Drawback, though it is the last swan song of the VR6s, takes only 98, Avg 22L/100km on 5w40. around 20L/100km on 5w30, but makes same figures as new Golf R with a 2.0. If you’re looking for performance look elsewhere.
really nice clean car! It's a pity to see less and less of the "cool version" VWs, even here in Germany. Why burning 20+ L in a Touareg or G-Class if you could have a super niche VR6 Wagon
@@danmurphy5889 80% city 20% highway, probably only driving spiritedly 20-30% of the entire time. Incapable of too spirited driving when in sydney traffic and the fact that it’s a near 5m wagon
I own a Black R36 Wagon with sunroof and premium sound. It's been an absolutely pleasure until the fuel control module failed and it took 7 months for someone to fix it. A water leak then happened as sruck on side of road which caused all sorts of mold issues. All have now been fixed for less than $500 and it's running like new at 230K (hope I don't jinx myself......haha) I'm keeping it as I love it and a great video. Only disagreement I have is with your steering complaint - I've owned HSV, XR Falcons etc and the steering feel in mine is levels above them and extremely direct with feedback so maybe an issue with the car you reviewed) Anyway great and fair review and no, there is no way in hell I'm selling or buying one the options you suggest are comparable. They aren't even close imho. Great stuff mate Chris
I recently sold a B7 Audi A4 3.2 saloon (2005). I added DRL's in the same location and RS4 exhaust tips, little details like that really make a difference. 👌
I was interested in an VE SS Commodore Ute. The dealer talked me into testing a V6 as he said it was plenty fast. I pulled up next to one of these Passat's at a set of lights on Dandenong Road. I gave the V6 everything it had and the Passat got away from me. It was fairly close but I immediately said definitely need the V8.
Recently bought a 2012 VW CC 3.6L VR6 several months ago (V6 in aus lol). Honestly so in love with it. Drives perfectly, extremely quick and powerful, looks gorgeous! Haven’t looked back: Best car I’ve ever owned.
The 2011 B7 is the hidden gem here. Has the same 3.6 VR6, updated DSG, shifts significantly faster and has none of the issues. Has the exterior and internal facelift.
I had a black sedan R36 from 2011 for 6 years. Best car I ever owned. Ran like a clock, mechatronics unit changed under warranty but that’s it. Handling was amazing on country roads, the more you pushed it, the more it gripped. I bought a Liberty after the R36 and it was no comparison. Drivers seat bolster wore out so I had to repair it. In hindsight I’d recommend changing the whole seat squab via VW spare parts cause the foam just wears out especially if you are not a lightweight. We will never see a car like this again in the era of smaller engines with turbos and electric motors. If I had one with low mileage I’d keep it under a blanket in the garage, surely a cult classic of the future.
Thanks for the review, I love my 2010 R36 wagon 😊 With regards to the transmission, the shifts in mine are F1 fast, especially in sport mode using the paddles. Old mate's may need a service. And mine has done almost 230k km's now. And if you love the sound the car makes under acceleration, you should hear mine with bi-modal mufflers. The wail and DSG farts are awesome!! The only major-ish repair I have had to deal with was for the water pump that was sometimes leaking coolant past the shaft seal. And like Jack Black says.......'you're not hard core, unless you live hard core'.
Love a fast wagon. Had a Golf R Wolfsburg wagon and a Liberty GT tuned by STI. Have an Outback XT now because I’ve started going camping and a low-slung car is no good. Looked into the R36s secondhand a couple of years ago because they’re awesome, but I couldn’t risk secondhand issue costs at the time.
Have had my r36 for a bit over a fortnight now. Absolutely stoked, such a practical car and great value for money. Yes they have a few niggles (dsg round town is a bit clunky) but on backroads its brilliant while being a great cruiser to. To step upto cars like the golf r wagon or s4/rs4 requires a lot more money than these can be had for. Get one with the chains done and enjoy
I personally was considering one of these, but went a Liberty GT-B instead and I don't regret it. It's not perfect, but nearly everything that's been an issue has been turned into an excuse to upgrade and make it better than before. Parts are relatively cheap and fairly easy to obtain too.
Loved my R36! Did replace flywheel, and timing chain which requires the DSG to be removed. The exhaust note was worth it. The wife convinced me to sell it due to rising repair and fuel bills.
The R36 is a great car,I just sold my R36 sedan recently for a 4wd…. Although I’d much have preferred a newer shape V6 Passat sedan with the same engine in a highline version mainly as I love sleepers,the highline has that grandpa look with the same performance…. Love your stuff guys keep up the good work 👍
I have been the owner of a 2013 Volkswagen Passat B7 with the wonderful 3.6 VR6 engine for 3 years now. so not the official R36. but in addition to replacing the panorama roof frame due to leaks and replacing a flywheel due to slight vibration at idle, never experienced any problems. now 180,000 km on the counter and every year a caravan of 1600 behind it. what a great car!
Spot on with the commentary about the steering! I'd say VAG engineer the steering for the masses not for the enthusiast and I understand the decision, but I still hate that disconnected feeling.
these things are always such head turners in this colour , I dont think ive missed a single one . the chrome grabs your eyes , and is so plentiful it should really be considered ' over the top' but instead just works. they nailed the styling
I had a 2006 2.0 diesel Passat. The Siemens injectors failed - VW replaced them all and the wiring loom on a recall. My electronic handbrake motor failed, DPF completely blocked, EGR valve replaced, water pump failed (looked like a kid had made it out of meccano), fuel pump failed, electric window buttons failed, the central rear armrest broke, the wheel arches rusted severely at 10 years old & so got rid of it. Have an Octavia VRS estate now & it's been very reliable.
The oil pump bolt issue was pretty exclusive to the 3.2 VR6 I haven't seen it happen in the 3.6 BWS motor. The timing chain issue is not the chains but the plastic guides and can happen at any mileage depending on service intervals/driving characteristics. Lack of maintenance is what kills these cars. They need frequent, high quality pampering. My "09 R36 Wagon is at 260,000ks, has had all the maintenance done, runs like a Swiss watch.
I looked at these about 10 years ago... and also the R36 engined Skoda Superb.... but I ended up going for an unused (400km) pre-registered demo car at the same price, but that got me a Audi A6 Avant TFSI as the 2012 model had a much more modern look, especially the interior (Blueooth and online connectivity, 12 speakers + sub as standard, plus a few demo extras: Google maps on the "MMI Touch", LED matrix headlights, etc).... plus the earlier TFSI engines were actually the 3.0 supercharged that was good for 300bhp out the box, so you get a responsive V6 that remaps to over 400bhp without any other mods - no extra torque, but now it holds the 400Nm+ out to 7000rpm... plus the A6 quattro is the proper Torsen one with 60:40 rear torque bias! Downside was the DSG gearbox mechatronics failed after 3 yrs (Audi were VERY good to me on the gearbox rebuild - 100% covered!!) and the fuel economy is even more of a mixed story: better than the R36 when granny-shifting / driven like a diesel, but a LOT lower if you're seeing 7000rpm on a regular basis.
I purchased a Blue Sedan Passat R36 from 2008 two years ago from someone who I certainly trust. It has done 192.000 kilometers and engine uses no oil or hardly any oil. I spent a few grant to get rid of some imperfections (looks like new inside and out) and fortunately it has been a reliable car from A to B. Sure hope it stays that way because I think it is extremely complicated under the bonnet. Engine is quite agressive with some rumbling sound and loves 98 petrol. Acceleration can be very fast too. However I hardly go any faster than say 90 to 95 km's an hour also on the freeway. More comfortable and a lot less wear and tear.
Had one of these a bit over a year ago and had an absolute nightmare with it. Timing chain went which was over 6k to replace, constant pcv valve and oxygen sensor issues. Ended up selling for half of what I payed for it just to not have to deal with it. That being said though they are a very nice car to drive and are pretty luxurious even compared to most cars these days but I wouldn't touch one unless you are a skilled/rich enough to keep it running.
If you owned one and had to replace a timing chain and repair the DSG you could quite likely end up spending the same amount as the purchase price of a used one now - just the thought of that is a huge turn off for me....
Seeing this video got me thinking: If the opportunity arises. It would be really cool to see Redriven have a look at the new Skoda. Octavia RS or the Superb 206 Sportline. At least in Australia. I feel like Skoda/VW group is the only company who makes fast cool looking wagons for a semi-affordable price anymore.
@@santouchesantouche2873 yeah the new WRX sport wagon TS, looks sick, especially the rear end because it doesn't look like the sedan version WRX with the civic from wish taillights. Probably going to get a GF8 wrx anyways cos I'm a sucker for the 90s
Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear spoke about the Passat R36: “Here Vicar, would you like some Fruit Cake? It has cocaine in it!”. A large VW sedan or wagon shouldn’t be having a sporting V6, low suspension, body kit and low profile type. But hey, it’s crazy & it works! I’ve owned a VW in the past, and I wish I could of had one of these back in the day.
Silver mirrors are an aftermarket add on like the wheels and the nav unit in that one. The blue is called bisque blue. The R36 wagon was available from.2006 to the final release as a MY2010.5 mid year update. I have the later as a dad wagon. Three kid seats across the back.
I have owned my 2008 R36 since 2010, and put 200,000km on it. It has been a great car. The only thing that played up was the DSG. Had the module replaced and worked fine since. 2 weeks ago someone ran into the back of my car and wrote their's off, hopefully the insurance will write mine off too. Then i will buy another R36, this time a wagon! Love this car looks great, sounds awesome, drives well, practical and very few problems. Fri. My experienc, maintenance has not been too expensive. ❤ R36.
I love fast wagons, however as a mechanic I have a big caveat on heavily modified vehicles. If it’s been slammed to the weeds or has been ridiculously over tuned I stay away. Some minor modifications are fine a small remap for few extra KWs or a trick suspension mode of about 15-20mm lower great. Everything else you can just forget it. Again the key here is service history if it has been regularly checked over that will always be worth a few extra $$.
Ive had mine for nearly 10 years now and still love it. Its only done 60k and been very reliable throughout. Its had a pretty easy life,as a second car but it is getting quite ild and theres a few spots of rust appearing. Done the exhaust, a couple of sensors and suspension parts but thats about it. Just regular maintenance. Its a bit thirsty for everyday use and the cabin now looks a bit dated, though im not a fan of modern cars with screens. High water mark for cars is about 2012 ish....then they get bigger, heavier, pricier and more complex
This gen of Passat rusts like crazy, literally to the point of being able to look into the doors from the outside, if you're looking for one check it VERY thoroughly for rust. Here in Norway you quite often see them with holes you can put your fist into and no, that's not a joke.
Great video guys! Have been on the hunt for an R36 for a while and just recently picked up a wagon in biscay blue for an absolute song (DSG rebuilt and chains done so no issues there either) I for one could not be happier, the engine makes an absolutely fabulous noise, interior is relatively modern for its age, the handling is out of this world and the PQ platform has so much upgradability it’s not even funny, Tesla Autopilot anyone? 👀
Love love a fast wagon. Was in the UK a couple of weeks back and managed to get a drive in the W213 E63S Wagon. It has become a full blown obsessions that I'll never get here since those wagons are not available here.
Loved my 2011 B9 Highline wagon with the VR6 220kw. The sports mode was ridiculously harsh and held the gears to the limiter. Properly mental. Iconic car but glad I sold it when I did. I could sense the costs lurking
I experienced the sunroof drain issues, foot well was flooded. Cleaned the front drains but the rear drains r difficult to get too. So I just park on a hill every where I go 😂
well-earned reputation from a company who has not lied to its customers. Gives good reasons to use your head and not heart when buying a car ! (Jim was right on target)
My Passat cc Awd had 370,000 kms on it gets redlined everyday has never had a dsg oil change yet still drives and changes gears very well never spent / replaced anything other than regular service items
Always awesome reviews! Thanks. I've owned a Passat 118TSI 2014 ( the boring looking one ) since it was new. Love the ride and DSG smoothness and acceleration. Spacious car. However, I've replaced the machatronic once ( cost me $ 2200) and replaced the leaky original pladtic water pump with an aluminium case waterpump ( cost $1900). Generally, total repais cost of about $4000 in 10 year doesn't look too bad to me. It's my daily drive car. After 10 years of ownership, it is still running beautifully. Nice quite smooth ride. There are not many signs of wear.. Generally very happy with it
In 2011-12 Vw also sold the v6 highline with exactly the same 300hp 3.6L VR6 and the DSG and 4 motion. I had one from new and only recently sold it. Equally great Q car, newer than the R36 and some of them haven’t been driven as hard - so worth looking at too
Wasn’t just 2011-2012 - the update face also had the VR6 engine - 2013-2014. I have one for sale right now. Will be sad to go, but the family needs a change!
Eccentric yes, but a lot less powerful than the R36, and a remarkably poor reliability record. That's quite likely because they only ever produced one model using the W8 and so never got the chance to sort out the most obvious issues in an updated model. The VR6 is probably an overall better choice though, far less complex and yet smooth and powerful. W8 is perhaps best thought of as a testbed for the W16 Veyron engine.
Well I guessed that you guys would be reviewing an European car/brand today and I was right. The smell that Hullsy probably smells from the diesel of these is most likely the VW excs excuses from when dieselgate happened lol 😂. I'd most likely look at the crown station wagon over the Passat to be completely honest as it'd be (as you said Adam) something a bit unique and different. Have a good weekend guys, keep up the good work and look forward to next week's videos as always 👍
I've just bought a v clean manual B6 170 bhp tdi with 185,000 kilometers on the clock. I spent a good bit of money fitting a new cambelt and water pump along with a comprehensive service. I try to use it only for journeys of *AT LEAST* 50-60 kilometers as much as possible as this reduces the number of cold starts which is what can increase the likelihood of potential problems with the engine and its various ancillary components (EGR, DPF etc). I always leave it parked in 1st or reverse gear rather than with the electric parking brake. I reckon regular daily short commutes do these cars *no favours* whatsoever. If you buy a high performance variant, expect high performance costs.
Dad had one when i was in my early 20s, great real world performance car. Not too much size and power like many of today's cars. A sheep in wolf's clothing as he used to say. It looks fantastic, great proportions and the 19" wheels fill the arches. Great stance. Imo ideally needs a few tweaks to really get the most from it (tune, exhaust, suspension, tyres). No complaints really about the DSG, although my cars are all manual. Does sound nice with flat upshifts or on high rev downchanges and fast enough changes. Have some fond memories of that car, roundabout 4 wheel drifts, blasting up mountain roads or exhaust echoing down city lane ways (I even got pulled over for enthusiastic acceleration off the line, no warning or ticket! I put it down to the classy car) Everything adam says is spot on, especially the disconnected steering feel. Linear engine is a gem in today's small capacity turbo world
I purchased a new 3.2lt Passat wagon in 2006, same colour blue as the vehicle reviewed. After my experience with VW AU, particularly the 1st 4 years, I'd never touch a VW group car again in my life. Biggest problem was with the traction control system deciding wheels are spinning (from a gentle take-off, NOT!) and stranding my wife and children in the middle of an intersection by retarding the engine, multiple times per month. After countless visits to the dealer and phone calls/email exchanges with VW Australia, nothing was done under warranty. It was under extended warranty (4th year) that the dealer replaced the ABS computer after me requesting they do so from day 1. This was just 1 example of the problems (a serious one) I had. After I started taking the car to my trusted mechanic in years 5-10, the car somewhat became reliable. Basically, in the 1st 5 years of it's life it spent 2-3 weeks per year at the dealer workshop for issues unrelated to normal servicing. It had this knack of breaking down just as we were about to go on a planned family holiday. Basically, I could not trust it. We nicknamed it the "Blue Lemon", a well earned and deserved name. Also, VW AU has no clue about after sales support for their products, nor do they care. We sold the car just before 10 years of age with 162,000 Km on the clock to a young couple for 10% of the purchase price. We ran into them 9-12 months later only to hear the the engine died due to the problem described in this report. Obviously I did not know about it at the time so the option of undertaking a costly preventative maintenance was not considered.
Wanted one of these but my experience with a jumped Audi 3.2fsi timing chain made me say ‘no more VW petrols’. So I got the diesel version of this instead. So far I’ve had the ignition lock fault, key problem, ac compressor issue and blocked sunroof drains. Some expensive fixes but was a cheap car to buy and refuel. Wish it had the power and look of the R36!
Have a Golf R 7.5 IE Stage 2 Milltek Catback IE downpipe and can confirm my car is light years ahead of a r36 in terms of chasis control entertainment system 7 speed dsg beautiful interior ya i can go on and on but everyone has their own opinion 🤷♂️
Interesting review of a fairly overlooked car guys! Loved it. Thought it was a bit weird when you said that the CC’s aren’t available that much. In fact the CC would easily be my pick as a) they haven’t been owned by dickheads, b) they look better, c) have usually done a lot less kms, d) they tend to fall apart less and e) frameless windows! The VR6 engine is revered as being one of the all time great engines, with this version being the last they did. I believe these have a few more complications than the older 3.2. The CC and boggo Passat in the update got the R36 drivetrain when the R36 was dropped and they replaced the 3.2 model. The VR6 is generally pretty reliable and can take a lot of extra power. But if I was buying for a fantastic VR6 engine up front I would either get it wrapped in the Gen 1 TT or a Porsche Cayenne (first for sporty / enjoyment car, second for practical with some off road chops). The Passat is a bland, heavy, dull middle of the road that never really does anything super well.
Brother has a 2010 r36 and we love it. A few minor issues but other than that it's holding up great,other than a few lost LEDs and a leaky sunroof The 1.8t 2014 passat I had was a complete lemon. So much so that at after 5 years i traded it in for a mazda. Constant issues with the bi xenon lights and ecu that never actually were resolved. 2 water pumps in that time and as I traded it in it was starting to leak oil. Always serviced on time at the dealership but they were the worst least helpful techs I ever had to deal with. Vw after sales service has to be some of the worst in the country in my experience
I almost bought an all track in 2014 to replace my 04 CX8 Adventra. Wife didn't like it so we bought a Territory that we still have and it's been a great car with zero problems. Saved at least $25k on purchase price too.
I like the R36 but I bought a Subaru Liberty H6 of a similar era and it has lots of issues too. I did the work myself and saved myself thousands but it still cost a huge amount in parts. Subaru parts aren't cheap.
That's hilarious, I went from a H6 Outback to a 2010 R36 wagon 😂 Still have the Suby, my young daughter drives it on her L's. There is no comparison of you live power under your foot.
i've got a CC with the 220kw vr6 and as far as im concerned, make sure you get one that has sorted timing chains/guides. you're in for a bad time if you get one that still has the original gear, especially with how old these cars are now. also putting aftermarket headunits in these cars is a pretty complex undertaking. unless you're happy with not having stuff like your reverse camera or GPS display in the center cluster screen, it requires a fair bit of research and money to get something that completely integrates into all the systems. seems like this owner has got a Vhedia or similar style unit which i also took delivery of a little while ago. I havent installed mine yet but their main claim to fame with their units is seamless integration.
If you get an 09-10 model they have uprated timing chain tensioners that seem to give a lot fewer hassles. The older 3.6's do tend to have more issues, though the 3.2 versions seem less prone to that and can be extremely reliable, 400,000K being not unknown on an original engine.
I like the VW Passats and I'm happy to see the price isn't too hard on the wallet as it's important to eat once in a while. I didn't know this model existed and now i'm even more drawn to them. Thanks for the video, always love your content, on par with Matt from CarWow 🚙
you are talking about the R36 Passat it has 1 Engine 1 Gearbox and 1 Drivetrain.. it was only released as a DQ250 DSG it only comes with the VR6 3.6 with Forged Crankshaft and only comes with gen 4 Haldex system. besides the engine its identical to the Mk6 Golf R... so no Generalization was needed on the mechanical side.
As someone who's owned an R36 wagon and a Crown Athlete V wagon (and MANY other fast wagons/interesting daily drivers) I always find myself wanting another R36... Everything about them is just fantastic. If you get one with lower mileage and full service history from an owner who's looked after it, it's hard to beat!
If you know people who work on these and can supply parts for cheap, they're no worse to maintain than most modern Japanese brands. Plus you have something cool ;)
As a German myself I really appreciate the bit of classic German music, felt almost like home. Not only the safety part but also the superb accent free announcement for the subchapters. On point.
Other than that, as per usual a spot on review of an exquisite automobile. Gotta say though, Jim's insight on the signature VW diesel stink hit very hard on a very relatable level, iykyk
Thanks for the shoutout :)
Minor correction:
The R36 in Aus standard 'VW Sound System' has a 250w amp and 8 speakers. The Dynaudio option has a 10 speaker 600w Lear amp.
Otherwise thanks for the great video!
The steering map can be changed via software. As the ZF Gen3 rack is shared amongst a whole heap of cars the character of the steering is controlled by a map in the eeprom. Lots of people prefer the feel of the PQ RS3 map, or for a really direct feel the R32 map.
Personally I think you might have leaned a little too heavily into the potential issues but it's fair to let people know what could be problematic.
The advantage is that the potential weak points are all well known by this stage and easily identified.
And given the PQ46 platform was about 10 years ahead of it's time in terms of electronics it's a really retrofittable car - adaptive cruise control, lane assist, park assist, side assist, OEM Android Auto and Apple Carplay can all be installed (which I've done).
600 watt is probably peak spread over 10 speakers. Which is more like 30 watt rms per channel and into 4 ohm. Or another way of looking at it is 15 watt rms into 8 ohm. So not all that powerful.
Hear hear, the R36 god has spoken
Yeah, if I were to fit CarPlay into one I’d definitely go the RCD or MIB2 head unit retrofit route
@@HughRussell06 totally agreed! Those android based head units are crappy as.
@@chuckmaddison2924 I drove a Passat with that Dynaudio system for over five years. Without question the best original car sound I've ever had in any car. Sound quality is excellent and power is more than enough.
I own a 2010 r36 sedan from new, it has been a dream, only issue on this list inexperienced was a power window issue that was easily fixed. DSG is slow at going from park to drive and reverse to drive but shifts are really quick when driving. Not sure the other cars suggested at the end of the video even come close to a well maintained r36. Great video even though I don’t totally agree. Love that blue, mine is black.
I've got a black 08 saloon as well, here in uk. Been very reliable. Rust is the biggest problem here.
Had the car nearly 10 years now and hope to keep it as long as possible.
The mechanic interviewed doesn't appear to be talking about this model. There is no key to turn and it uses very little oil, not being a turbo. I have had the parking brake issue...give me an old fashioned handbrake any day.
The engine has been faultless. They are reliable units and can run to big miles.
I found the video slightly annoying, to be honest.
I got a 08 R36 wagon I had since 2019. We had a cat delete a few days ago, it has bad emissions thats all
My wife has a 2006 Passat sedan 2.0 turbo, we have put more money into the car then what it's worth! Complete money pit these cars! Not as reliable as once thought! For all the money we have put into it she could have had a new car! Don't recommend them!
@@jamesfrazier1731 They arent more reliable than the 6 cylinders, but they're great cars anyway to live with.
Great vid, but Didn’t mentioned the umbrella in the door
Holy crap, just when you think the safety tech segment can't possibly get any better, it does. Fantastic job guys.
I drive an R36 as my daily family wagon. Absolutely love driving to work, to the shops, road trips, it's just beautiful to drive. When you spend a good chunk of your life in a car, why not enjoy it!
Also been pretty lucky with only minor stuff needing maintenance. I've decided I'll stop modifying it and spend money where it is needed so if a bigger cost item comes up I don't feel the pain as much.
Also gotta say the rear is one of the best looking rears on the road.
yep. on the rear, so much better than my golf (2.0TSI, japan model, basically a GTI) wagon, how did they get it so wrong?
I absolutely LOVED owning mine. Exact same colour & trim shown here too. Unfortunately for me, the DSG was the biggest gremlin I had. Cost of parts and waiting for said parts to arrive from Germany was too much for me, especially as it was my daily driver. Had to pull the plug and sell it... But every time I see one, it puts a massive smile on my face.
How many miles did it have?
@@Mabeylater293 Around 120,000km on the clock, so about 75,000 miles.
They are quite uncommon in Germany too, but at least parts are not a problem here
@@DaScorpi0n My Vr6 CC i just bought has 110k, hopefully repairs go well as it needs a ton work on interior, exterior, DSG and engine. Don't know where to start lol, calling a VW garage as i type this
@@belgamsafn Hope it doesn't hurt the wallet too much mate! Gorgeous cars.
I've had my r36 for 12 yrs, only issues were the head lining, failed haldex unit, and DSG rebuild. I plan to own it until the wheels fall off.
I have the Passat cc with the R36 3.6 engine. It has 171,000 miles and the engine is smooth, sounds great and still quick. Main issues, handbrake stuck on (standard), headlight level sensor, haldex fault, 3 suspension springs replaced and replaced a lambda sensor. Owned for 7 years and put 105k on, a great car.
Owned the 2010 R36 for 8 years and it was brilliant! The sound it makes when you get up the rev range was addictive, but the fuel bills increased dramatically 😂
Loved the car, but after a pothole/rock hit (it was dark) that destroyed two wheels, it was quite the same and had an annoying whirring sound from somewhere on the left. Current car gets better fuel economy with more performance even with the roof racks loaded with bicycles!
so difficult to not to hit sport and boogie along .underated GT
Thanks for reviewing my love and joy! Love the work you guys do!
Small correction though, at the time of the vid car still has stock Sachs suspensions on them.
Stock height and ride quality, pretty firm but I’d say it’s very much refined given the size of this thing.
Take care and enjoy the vid guys!
A few of my own words,
Given the age of this thing, with a refreshed head unit it’s still going strong against new cars.
This generation of german cars, as long as well looked after, they last. BUT, I work on my own cars, change fluids every 6months, hence it’s not too expensive for me in terms of maintenance.
However, when certain things age and start to go wrong, like timing chains etc, be prepared to spend a few grand, but after that that’s another 10 years. So before you decide to go ahead, ask yourself whether you like it enough.
Drawback, though it is the last swan song of the VR6s, takes only 98, Avg 22L/100km on 5w40. around 20L/100km on 5w30, but makes same figures as new Golf R with a 2.0. If you’re looking for performance look elsewhere.
really nice clean car! It's a pity to see less and less of the "cool version" VWs, even here in Germany. Why burning 20+ L in a Touareg or G-Class if you could have a super niche VR6 Wagon
@@jeremy_kyw is that fuel consumption from average driving or a bit more spirited?
@@danmurphy5889
80% city 20% highway, probably only driving spiritedly 20-30% of the entire time.
Incapable of too spirited driving when in sydney traffic and the fact that it’s a near 5m wagon
90km highways I can get around 9L/100km. Above 100km the gearing sees threshold and will go beyond 2.5k rpm. Hence a bit worse economy if too fast
I own a Black R36 Wagon with sunroof and premium sound.
It's been an absolutely pleasure until the fuel control module failed and it took 7 months for someone to fix it.
A water leak then happened as sruck on side of road which caused all sorts of mold issues.
All have now been fixed for less than $500 and it's running like new at 230K (hope I don't jinx myself......haha)
I'm keeping it as I love it and a great video. Only disagreement I have is with your steering complaint - I've owned HSV, XR Falcons etc and the steering feel in mine is levels above them and extremely direct with feedback so maybe an issue with the car you reviewed)
Anyway great and fair review and no, there is no way in hell I'm selling or buying one the options you suggest are comparable.
They aren't even close imho.
Great stuff mate
Chris
honestly my r36 has taken a ridiculous beating and it hasn't cost anything. great cars
Props to the owner of this car. The added DRL's look tops and the BBS rims are superb.
I recently sold a B7 Audi A4 3.2 saloon (2005). I added DRL's in the same location and RS4 exhaust tips, little details like that really make a difference. 👌
I drive a 2010 Passat Komfort and it is a joy to drive! It just turned over 100,000 miles with no problems. Still looks new. Thanks for the video.
I was interested in an VE SS Commodore Ute. The dealer talked me into testing a V6 as he said it was plenty fast.
I pulled up next to one of these Passat's at a set of lights on Dandenong Road. I gave the V6 everything it had and the Passat got away from me. It was fairly close but I immediately said definitely need the V8.
When the topic of the R32 comes up, I remind myself of Prince's wise words in Little Red Corvette "love 'em and leave 'em fast".
I owned mine for 5 years and didn't have a single issue with it (aside from the driver's seat side bolster). Sensational cars!
Re:driver's seat side bolster... Always make sure to centre yourself in the seat.
The problem is due to sitting too close to the door
Recently bought a 2012 VW CC 3.6L VR6 several months ago (V6 in aus lol). Honestly so in love with it. Drives perfectly, extremely quick and powerful, looks gorgeous! Haven’t looked back: Best car I’ve ever owned.
The 2011 B7 is the hidden gem here. Has the same 3.6 VR6, updated DSG, shifts significantly faster and has none of the issues. Has the exterior and internal facelift.
Also the VW CC 3.6
I had a black sedan R36 from 2011 for 6 years. Best car I ever owned. Ran like a clock, mechatronics unit changed under warranty but that’s it. Handling was amazing on country roads, the more you pushed it, the more it gripped. I bought a Liberty after the R36 and it was no comparison. Drivers seat bolster wore out so I had to repair it. In hindsight I’d recommend changing the whole seat squab via VW spare parts cause the foam just wears out especially if you are not a lightweight. We will never see a car like this again in the era of smaller engines with turbos and electric motors. If I had one with low mileage I’d keep it under a blanket in the garage, surely a cult classic of the future.
Thanks for the review, I love my 2010 R36 wagon 😊
With regards to the transmission, the shifts in mine are F1 fast, especially in sport mode using the paddles.
Old mate's may need a service.
And mine has done almost 230k km's now.
And if you love the sound the car makes under acceleration, you should hear mine with bi-modal mufflers. The wail and DSG farts are awesome!!
The only major-ish repair I have had to deal with was for the water pump that was sometimes leaking coolant past the shaft seal.
And like Jack Black says.......'you're not hard core, unless you live hard core'.
Love a fast wagon. Had a Golf R Wolfsburg wagon and a Liberty GT tuned by STI. Have an Outback XT now because I’ve started going camping and a low-slung car is no good.
Looked into the R36s secondhand a couple of years ago because they’re awesome, but I couldn’t risk secondhand issue costs at the time.
Have had my r36 for a bit over a fortnight now.
Absolutely stoked, such a practical car and great value for money. Yes they have a few niggles (dsg round town is a bit clunky) but on backroads its brilliant while being a great cruiser to. To step upto cars like the golf r wagon or s4/rs4 requires a lot more money than these can be had for. Get one with the chains done and enjoy
I personally was considering one of these, but went a Liberty GT-B instead and I don't regret it. It's not perfect, but nearly everything that's been an issue has been turned into an excuse to upgrade and make it better than before. Parts are relatively cheap and fairly easy to obtain too.
Love my GT tuned by STI. Fantastic cars the GTs
Loved my R36! Did replace flywheel, and timing chain which requires the DSG to be removed. The exhaust note was worth it. The wife convinced me to sell it due to rising repair and fuel bills.
Nearly brought one a couple of times. Now have a 2020 Octavia vRS wagon which is a great car I must say. Love a hot wagon.
Where did you nearly bring it?
The R36 is a great car,I just sold my R36 sedan recently for a 4wd….
Although I’d much have preferred a newer shape V6 Passat sedan with the same engine in a highline version mainly as I love sleepers,the highline has that grandpa look with the same performance….
Love your stuff guys keep up the good work 👍
I have been the owner of a 2013 Volkswagen Passat B7 with the wonderful 3.6 VR6 engine for 3 years now. so not the official R36. but in addition to replacing the panorama roof frame due to leaks and replacing a flywheel due to slight vibration at idle, never experienced any problems. now 180,000 km on the counter and every year a caravan of 1600 behind it. what a great car!
Spot on with the commentary about the steering! I'd say VAG engineer the steering for the masses not for the enthusiast and I understand the decision, but I still hate that disconnected feeling.
these things are always such head turners in this colour , I dont think ive missed a single one . the chrome grabs your eyes , and is so plentiful it should really be considered ' over the top' but instead just works. they nailed the styling
I would love to see a comparison of this R36 Passat wagon and a Subaru liberty 4th gen spec-B or GT wagon 🤤🤤
Can confirm the R36 is much fastee
I had a 2006 2.0 diesel Passat. The Siemens injectors failed - VW replaced them all and the wiring loom on a recall. My electronic handbrake motor failed, DPF completely blocked, EGR valve replaced, water pump failed (looked like a kid had made it out of meccano), fuel pump failed, electric window buttons failed, the central rear armrest broke, the wheel arches rusted severely at 10 years old & so got rid of it. Have an Octavia VRS estate now & it's been very reliable.
Have had mine for nearly 3 years. 212km
No dramas
Proper maintainance is key
Still drives better than newer cars today.
The oil pump bolt issue was pretty exclusive to the 3.2 VR6 I haven't seen it happen in the 3.6 BWS motor. The timing chain issue is not the chains but the plastic guides and can happen at any mileage depending on service intervals/driving characteristics. Lack of maintenance is what kills these cars. They need frequent, high quality pampering. My "09 R36 Wagon is at 260,000ks, has had all the maintenance done, runs like a Swiss watch.
Fast wagons are the best! I have a modified 206tsi Passat and love how versatile the thing is.
The ability to work on my own cars properly does make these easier things to justify, I really want one
I looked at these about 10 years ago... and also the R36 engined Skoda Superb.... but I ended up going for an unused (400km) pre-registered demo car at the same price, but that got me a Audi A6 Avant TFSI as the 2012 model had a much more modern look, especially the interior (Blueooth and online connectivity, 12 speakers + sub as standard, plus a few demo extras: Google maps on the "MMI Touch", LED matrix headlights, etc).... plus the earlier TFSI engines were actually the 3.0 supercharged that was good for 300bhp out the box, so you get a responsive V6 that remaps to over 400bhp without any other mods - no extra torque, but now it holds the 400Nm+ out to 7000rpm... plus the A6 quattro is the proper Torsen one with 60:40 rear torque bias! Downside was the DSG gearbox mechatronics failed after 3 yrs (Audi were VERY good to me on the gearbox rebuild - 100% covered!!) and the fuel economy is even more of a mixed story: better than the R36 when granny-shifting / driven like a diesel, but a LOT lower if you're seeing 7000rpm on a regular basis.
I purchased a Blue Sedan Passat R36 from 2008 two years ago from someone who I certainly trust. It has done 192.000 kilometers and engine uses no oil or hardly any oil. I spent a few grant to get rid of some imperfections (looks like new inside and out) and fortunately it has been a reliable car from A to B. Sure hope it stays that way because I think it is extremely complicated under the bonnet. Engine is quite agressive with some rumbling sound and loves 98 petrol. Acceleration can be very fast too. However I hardly go any faster than say 90 to 95 km's an hour also on the freeway. More comfortable and a lot less wear and tear.
Had one of these a bit over a year ago and had an absolute nightmare with it. Timing chain went which was over 6k to replace, constant pcv valve and oxygen sensor issues. Ended up selling for half of what I payed for it just to not have to deal with it.
That being said though they are a very nice car to drive and are pretty luxurious even compared to most cars these days but I wouldn't touch one unless you are a skilled/rich enough to keep it running.
If you owned one and had to replace a timing chain and repair the DSG you could quite likely end up spending the same amount as the purchase price of a used one now - just the thought of that is a huge turn off for me....
ze Germans... sigh... out of all the axis powers imma stay with the japs
You bought a dud
Seeing this video got me thinking: If the opportunity arises. It would be really cool to see Redriven have a look at the new Skoda. Octavia RS or the Superb 206 Sportline.
At least in Australia. I feel like Skoda/VW group is the only company who makes fast cool looking wagons for a semi-affordable price anymore.
Wagons are so underrated. Some just look so damn good. Like this and the rs6 even the new golf r wagon looks sick.
hundo. I really want an rs4. My heart says yes but head says nein. Could I do a skoda? I think Levorg ftw
@@santouchesantouche2873 yeah the new WRX sport wagon TS, looks sick, especially the rear end because it doesn't look like the sedan version WRX with the civic from wish taillights. Probably going to get a GF8 wrx anyways cos I'm a sucker for the 90s
Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear spoke about the Passat R36: “Here Vicar, would you like some Fruit Cake? It has cocaine in it!”.
A large VW sedan or wagon shouldn’t be having a sporting V6, low suspension, body kit and low profile type. But hey, it’s crazy & it works!
I’ve owned a VW in the past, and I wish I could of had one of these back in the day.
Worth reviewing the ford Mondeo Titanium X sport or XR5 from 2011 onwards as a ford equivalent, you'll love it!
Silver mirrors are an aftermarket add on like the wheels and the nav unit in that one. The blue is called bisque blue. The R36 wagon was available from.2006 to the final release as a MY2010.5 mid year update. I have the later as a dad wagon. Three kid seats across the back.
I had one years ago try and take me on in my skyline R33 GTR. He quickly learned his lesson
Definitely an enthusiast car but just so damn cool.
I have owned my 2008 R36 since 2010, and put 200,000km on it. It has been a great car. The only thing that played up was the DSG. Had the module replaced and worked fine since. 2 weeks ago someone ran into the back of my car and wrote their's off, hopefully the insurance will write mine off too. Then i will buy another R36, this time a wagon! Love this car looks great, sounds awesome, drives well, practical and very few problems. Fri. My experienc, maintenance has not been too expensive. ❤ R36.
Not a VW fan, but one of the best sounding out-of-the-box cars I've ever heard.
No surprise that Jim claimed 'overtime 'on this video.
😂😂😂he pissed my wife off with the michael hutchence joke..what a lefty.. I thought it was a funny joke...more please Jim. 😂😂😂
I love fast wagons, however as a mechanic I have a big caveat on heavily modified vehicles. If it’s been slammed to the weeds or has been ridiculously over tuned I stay away. Some minor modifications are fine a small remap for few extra KWs or a trick suspension mode of about 15-20mm lower great.
Everything else you can just forget it. Again the key here is service history if it has been regularly checked over that will always be worth a few extra $$.
Ive had mine for nearly 10 years now and still love it. Its only done 60k and been very reliable throughout.
Its had a pretty easy life,as a second car but it is getting quite ild and theres a few spots of rust appearing.
Done the exhaust, a couple of sensors and suspension parts but thats about it. Just regular maintenance.
Its a bit thirsty for everyday use and the cabin now looks a bit dated, though im not a fan of modern cars with screens.
High water mark for cars is about 2012 ish....then they get bigger, heavier, pricier and more complex
This gen of Passat rusts like crazy, literally to the point of being able to look into the doors from the outside, if you're looking for one check it VERY thoroughly for rust.
Here in Norway you quite often see them with holes you can put your fist into and no, that's not a joke.
Great video guys!
Have been on the hunt for an R36 for a while and just recently picked up a wagon in biscay blue for an absolute song (DSG rebuilt and chains done so no issues there either)
I for one could not be happier, the engine makes an absolutely fabulous noise, interior is relatively modern for its age, the handling is out of this world and the PQ platform has so much upgradability it’s not even funny, Tesla Autopilot anyone? 👀
always loved the idea of debadging one of these, and having an amazing sleeper
Or changing the badges for ' Chevy '.
@@perpetualgrin5804 like a real Strayan!!
Just get an updated version or the CC. The R36 was scrapped as a badge, but that spec continued for a long time.
I don't think anyone knows what an R36 is so it's a sleeper either way.
I have a CC and it’s the ultimate sleeper. I don’t think people expect to be smashed at the traffic lights by it.
Love the cob web making an appearance on the in car shots 😊
Love love a fast wagon. Was in the UK a couple of weeks back and managed to get a drive in the W213 E63S Wagon. It has become a full blown obsessions that I'll never get here since those wagons are not available here.
Loved my 2011 B9 Highline wagon with the VR6 220kw. The sports mode was ridiculously harsh and held the gears to the limiter. Properly mental. Iconic car but glad I sold it when I did. I could sense the costs lurking
9:12 felt like home. Tolles Auto, Tolles Video!
I experienced the sunroof drain issues, foot well was flooded. Cleaned the front drains but the rear drains r difficult to get too. So I just park on a hill every where I go 😂
I ABSOLUTELY 💕 this car but have never owned one due to the concerns mentioned.
Great car and great review. Keep it up :)
well-earned reputation from a company who has not lied to its customers. Gives good reasons to use your head and not heart when buying a car ! (Jim was right on target)
Yes it was, not only have they lied but gone to jail for it. Why wouldn't you trust them.
My Passat cc Awd had 370,000 kms on it gets redlined everyday has never had a dsg oil change yet still drives and changes gears very well never spent / replaced anything other than regular service items
If i remember correctly it has a blue coloured dash at night, like a Mitsubishi 380.
So glad I sold mine when I did. Amazing and iconic, but the cost once they get some kms up , frightening
yeah, my Skoda Superb 206 AWD ! . . . reason why I bought it. Hot wagons rock !
to me, even better is a Fast VAN!
Sleeper Potential like crazy, Extreme Practicality and People Moving, plus SPEEED AND POWERR
Always awesome reviews! Thanks. I've owned a Passat 118TSI 2014 ( the boring looking one ) since it was new. Love the ride and DSG smoothness and acceleration. Spacious car. However, I've replaced the machatronic once ( cost me $ 2200) and replaced the leaky original pladtic water pump with an aluminium case waterpump ( cost $1900). Generally, total repais cost of about $4000 in 10 year doesn't look too bad to me. It's my daily drive car. After 10 years of ownership, it is still running beautifully. Nice quite smooth ride. There are not many signs of wear.. Generally very happy with it
In 2011-12 Vw also sold the v6 highline with exactly the same 300hp 3.6L VR6 and the DSG and 4 motion. I had one from new and only recently sold it. Equally great Q car, newer than the R36 and some of them haven’t been driven as hard - so worth looking at too
did you sell this in perth? I was looking at a V6 FSI on carsales recently (a few weeks ago) and then it dissapeared! my heart sunk 😭
I have a 2013 highline v6 wagon, love it
what is a real world consumption on these cars, I was looking into buying a 2013 passat CC 3.6 4 motion (found one listed for 10.5 k €)
Wasn’t just 2011-2012 - the update face also had the VR6 engine - 2013-2014. I have one for sale right now. Will be sad to go, but the family needs a change!
The 4.0 W8 is still the ultimate Passat and a representation of the best era of VW.
Eccentric yes, but a lot less powerful than the R36, and a remarkably poor reliability record. That's quite likely because they only ever produced one model using the W8 and so never got the chance to sort out the most obvious issues in an updated model. The VR6 is probably an overall better choice though, far less complex and yet smooth and powerful. W8 is perhaps best thought of as a testbed for the W16 Veyron engine.
Well I guessed that you guys would be reviewing an European car/brand today and I was right.
The smell that Hullsy probably smells from the diesel of these is most likely the VW excs excuses from when dieselgate happened lol 😂.
I'd most likely look at the crown station wagon over the Passat to be completely honest as it'd be (as you said Adam) something a bit unique and different.
Have a good weekend guys, keep up the good work and look forward to next week's videos as always 👍
I've just bought a v clean manual B6 170 bhp tdi with 185,000 kilometers on the clock. I spent a good bit of money fitting a new cambelt and water pump along with a comprehensive service. I try to use it only for journeys of *AT LEAST* 50-60 kilometers as much as possible as this reduces the number of cold starts which is what can increase the likelihood of potential problems with the engine and its various ancillary components (EGR, DPF etc). I always leave it parked in 1st or reverse gear rather than with the electric parking brake. I reckon regular daily short commutes do these cars *no favours* whatsoever.
If you buy a high performance variant, expect high performance costs.
Dad had one when i was in my early 20s, great real world performance car. Not too much size and power like many of today's cars. A sheep in wolf's clothing as he used to say. It looks fantastic, great proportions and the 19" wheels fill the arches. Great stance. Imo ideally needs a few tweaks to really get the most from it (tune, exhaust, suspension, tyres). No complaints really about the DSG, although my cars are all manual. Does sound nice with flat upshifts or on high rev downchanges and fast enough changes. Have some fond memories of that car, roundabout 4 wheel drifts, blasting up mountain roads or exhaust echoing down city lane ways (I even got pulled over for enthusiastic acceleration off the line, no warning or ticket! I put it down to the classy car) Everything adam says is spot on, especially the disconnected steering feel. Linear engine is a gem in today's small capacity turbo world
Watching this with my 1 week old "id7 sportstourer"... in the garage. So sad such cars are not available anymore.
I had a mk4 R32 back in the day, always made me interested in owning one of these…
I purchased a new 3.2lt Passat wagon in 2006, same colour blue as the vehicle reviewed. After my experience with VW AU, particularly the 1st 4 years, I'd never touch a VW group car again in my life. Biggest problem was with the traction control system deciding wheels are spinning (from a gentle take-off, NOT!) and stranding my wife and children in the middle of an intersection by retarding the engine, multiple times per month. After countless visits to the dealer and phone calls/email exchanges with VW Australia, nothing was done under warranty. It was under extended warranty (4th year) that the dealer replaced the ABS computer after me requesting they do so from day 1. This was just 1 example of the problems (a serious one) I had. After I started taking the car to my trusted mechanic in years 5-10, the car somewhat became reliable.
Basically, in the 1st 5 years of it's life it spent 2-3 weeks per year at the dealer workshop for issues unrelated to normal servicing. It had this knack of breaking down just as we were about to go on a planned family holiday. Basically, I could not trust it.
We nicknamed it the "Blue Lemon", a well earned and deserved name.
Also, VW AU has no clue about after sales support for their products, nor do they care.
We sold the car just before 10 years of age with 162,000 Km on the clock to a young couple for 10% of the purchase price. We ran into them 9-12 months later only to hear the the engine died due to the problem described in this report. Obviously I did not know about it at the time so the option of undertaking a costly preventative maintenance was not considered.
Wanted one of these but my experience with a jumped Audi 3.2fsi timing chain made me say ‘no more VW petrols’. So I got the diesel version of this instead. So far I’ve had the ignition lock fault, key problem, ac compressor issue and blocked sunroof drains. Some expensive fixes but was a cheap car to buy and refuel. Wish it had the power and look of the R36!
In Aussie blue sun she’s a stunner. We see rare black one at a show. Needs be in blue. That’s for sure. Thanks Jeremy, nice car
The CC is a all new levem, is still beautifull and amazing today and are as you said too, great review btw
Have a Golf R 7.5 IE Stage 2 Milltek Catback IE downpipe and can confirm my car is light years ahead of a r36 in terms of chasis control entertainment system 7 speed dsg beautiful interior ya i can go on and on but everyone has their own opinion 🤷♂️
Interesting review of a fairly overlooked car guys! Loved it. Thought it was a bit weird when you said that the CC’s aren’t available that much. In fact the CC would easily be my pick as a) they haven’t been owned by dickheads, b) they look better, c) have usually done a lot less kms, d) they tend to fall apart less and e) frameless windows! The VR6 engine is revered as being one of the all time great engines, with this version being the last they did. I believe these have a few more complications than the older 3.2. The CC and boggo Passat in the update got the R36 drivetrain when the R36 was dropped and they replaced the 3.2 model. The VR6 is generally pretty reliable and can take a lot of extra power. But if I was buying for a fantastic VR6 engine up front I would either get it wrapped in the Gen 1 TT or a Porsche Cayenne (first for sporty / enjoyment car, second for practical with some off road chops). The Passat is a bland, heavy, dull middle of the road that never really does anything super well.
Legnum VR4 doesn't prioritize rear wheels, it prioritizes having it's wheels in front of the other options listed though
VR-4 Legnum is my dream car!
I've driven both the R36 sedan and the TFSI MK5. The TFSI was way faster though didn't sound as good, obviously.
The VR6 and the DQ250 gearbox are very reliable if well cared. It's worth buying.
4:44 The Koenig bucket seats in the Mk4 R32 are the same way. Fits me perfectly, but if you're over 200 pounds, might not be the greatest
Brother has a 2010 r36 and we love it. A few minor issues but other than that it's holding up great,other than a few lost LEDs and a leaky sunroof
The 1.8t 2014 passat I had was a complete lemon. So much so that at after 5 years i traded it in for a mazda. Constant issues with the bi xenon lights and ecu that never actually were resolved. 2 water pumps in that time and as I traded it in it was starting to leak oil. Always serviced on time at the dealership but they were the worst least helpful techs I ever had to deal with. Vw after sales service has to be some of the worst in the country in my experience
if you like sport wagons, the subaru liberty 3.0r-b and even the 2.5 and 2.0 turbo engines are awesome! Got some problems though...
My VW Passat never had a problem for 14 years just normal wear and tear
RX350 Stagea every day of the week, twin sunroof model...awesome, just bloody awesome.
I almost bought an all track in 2014 to replace my 04 CX8 Adventra. Wife didn't like it so we bought a Territory that we still have and it's been a great car with zero problems. Saved at least $25k on purchase price too.
You lost all of us instantly when you mention shitboxes like Adventra and Territory. Please dont
@@sayerma ok champ
If the electrick parkingbrake have failed, change the button. Fixes the problem like 90% of the time and only cost like 20$
Have 2010 with switchable suspension. Love black betty dearly
I like the R36 but I bought a Subaru Liberty H6 of a similar era and it has lots of issues too. I did the work myself and saved myself thousands but it still cost a huge amount in parts. Subaru parts aren't cheap.
That's hilarious, I went from a H6 Outback to a 2010 R36 wagon 😂
Still have the Suby, my young daughter drives it on her L's.
There is no comparison of you live power under your foot.
@@RusteeUte well, I have the sedan which is lighter and pretty fast. The R36 looks much heavier in comparison.
i've got a CC with the 220kw vr6 and as far as im concerned, make sure you get one that has sorted timing chains/guides. you're in for a bad time if you get one that still has the original gear, especially with how old these cars are now.
also putting aftermarket headunits in these cars is a pretty complex undertaking. unless you're happy with not having stuff like your reverse camera or GPS display in the center cluster screen, it requires a fair bit of research and money to get something that completely integrates into all the systems.
seems like this owner has got a Vhedia or similar style unit which i also took delivery of a little while ago. I havent installed mine yet but their main claim to fame with their units is seamless integration.
Yeah, I have an r32 MKV getting my timing chains done in a week. Definitely some marbles in a can noise.
If you get an 09-10 model they have uprated timing chain tensioners that seem to give a lot fewer hassles. The older 3.6's do tend to have more issues, though the 3.2 versions seem less prone to that and can be extremely reliable, 400,000K being not unknown on an original engine.
I like the VW Passats and I'm happy to see the price isn't too hard on the wallet as it's important to eat once in a while. I didn't know this model existed and now i'm even more drawn to them.
Thanks for the video, always love your content, on par with Matt from CarWow 🚙
Oh my god!! I have been waiting for this since ages!! Starting the video with a cup of latte!!!!
you are talking about the R36 Passat it has 1 Engine 1 Gearbox and 1 Drivetrain.. it was only released as a DQ250 DSG it only comes with the VR6 3.6 with Forged Crankshaft and only comes with gen 4 Haldex system. besides the engine its identical to the Mk6 Golf R... so no Generalization was needed on the mechanical side.
Honestly, the best car channel from Australia n❤
reviewing used cars is so much more useful to the vast majority of buyers, wtf are the other channels doing