Very informative and illuminating. Please keep bringing experts who shed light on things happening around us, rather than just stating that which is already known. Loved this talk.
@@Amit-kr3sh Hi! Your opening statement that you are a student of pol science reminds me of the statement of Trump supporters where they start any discussion by saying that they have grown up with blacks. Or the typical Hindutva guy who starts with "I have a Muslim friend". Since you are a student of pol science, you will know that it does not matter what the nationality of the expert is. It is his education, understanding and research work that are factors that create credibility. Also, if you study from primary sources of history and research as opposed to what your grandpa told you and what you heard on whatsapp, your understanding would be very different from the person who studies primary sources. Clearly therefore, we both belong to different worlds and any amount of arguing will not help. So, in the interest of peace and compassion, let us agree to differ and not get entangled in useless back and forth discussions.
Relevant & Insightful conversation around socio-economic inequity in India. Christophe Jeffrelot put out some loaded truth about affirmative action programme in India. Conversation around EWS quota was however absent, it could have been included. Nonetheless, it was fruitful & value-adding talk.
He is talking about dividing people of india to win election. Nobody can/should appreciate this theory. It reminds me of the principle of British East India Company .
You are speaking as if you were around when East India Company was colonizing the subcontinent. Divisions exist in every society. Your idea of a monolithic Hindu society will never materialize.
(1) Not sure if this will work against the BJP. (2) Also, giving more and more reservations and quotas, and perpetuating this system is fundamentally a bad idea. It is like treating the symptoms rather than the root causes. It also militates against the idea of merit. (3) The Congress party (especially) needs to understand that there is a lot of anger and hatred against it. They should accept that, apologise to the nation and ask for forgiveness and another chance, while talking about what their plans etc. are, for the country.
I am really saddened to see that you fundamentally didn't understand the theme of this whole discussion. It's not about the agenda of social welfare. Whether reservation or something like that will benefit the society or not? BJP is using the so-called 'Hindutva' to unite Hindus, their(opposing camp)tactics is to divide Hindus along caste lines so that BJP can't get the major chunk of Hindu vote. It's about winning by hook or crook. Let the social fabric go down the drain. Overreacting is no doubt excessive but sometimes being too naive is also detrimental. Evil people do exist among both sides of the spectrum.
@@satyajitsheth4705 So, in case that would have helped them electorally you would be totally fine? That is insensitive. Winning an election at the cost of decimating a society and its social fabric is equivalent to a genocide. That's why I don't consider democracy to be sustainable governance system. It's the nature of democracy that sides with totally opposing rhetoric would contest to win the election. In the process it creates a permanent rift or ideological diviode among the citizens. This ideological divide doesn't vanish with the end of the election but it remains and in the process corrodes the society from inside like a termite.
Imagine getting a foreigner and formulating theories to break India! Well done, The Wire! Divide Hindus into castes and unite everyone else....well not gonna work buddy!
Every democracy has some form of affirmative action for its less privileged citizenry. It’s not a ‘discount’ given to one at the expense of another - it’s a constitutionally protected right.
Mr. Jafrelot talks about Yadavs cornering all the benefits of reservations in Bihar as soon as they came in power however, the Caste census data shows that among the OBCs Yadavs are the poorest and their representation in government services is also less in proportion of their population.
Most likely he will come back with a bigger mandate. If some party is able to do even a one percent better job than what Modi is doing (rather than just cribbing about him), perhaps, they MIGHT get a chance at some future date.
@@vinodbhandari6679 Wrong.They want him to stay. No other PM has been so kind. All thunder, no real action. And not talking is the stupidest thing. Just shows weakness of logic of your claim.
then why are you calling BJP divisive?? you are the worst 😂 a foreigner suggesting how to divide and rule and you guys are praising it lol 😂 It will just unite Hindutva
The South has been the beacon of social reforms mainly due to the self realisation of the bahujan castes and the systematic dilution of the caste-virus-spreading bammans in every sphere of life and governance …..the north is now rapidly making progress towards social reforms driven by anti-hindutva politics and anti-bammanism ….
'Sam Bahadur' trailer prompted me into reading up a bit on the man. There apparently was a proposal to apply reservations in the promotion of army officers. Sam Manekshaw promptly shot it down. Such a great man 🙏
@@user-ne8qy4zb6k In the interest of merit, because it is a critical institution, and not some organization for the distribution of government largesse. We need competent people in the army, that's why.
@@ladusingh2141Poverty is true but the fact that poverty is drastically decreasing is also true, it will take time. But this discussion is about how to divide the country!
Nitish has been CM for past 25 years or so but Bihar's caste census shows economic and social condition is bad. He is directly responsible for poor performance.
BJP in power in Gujarat for past 28 years. Not a single government school comparable to Kejriwal 's Delhi government schools. And least said the better about government hospitals of Gujarat.
He is openly talking about dividing people of India to win an election, yet somehow he is liberal and BJP is communal, We as Indians should reject his so called mandal theory. people like him have ruined India in the name of caste and so called secularism.
How come a foreign person is deciding on how politics should shape in India. Should we also have a say in there politics. By the way atleast we have reservation unlike yours. Isn't it a foreign interference. Wire is again doing job of dividing Hindus on line of caste. So now wire is going this low to bring back congress.
He is an analyst. He doesn't decide things, he researches and connects the dots that lead to our politicians deciding things and the consequences of those decisions. His skin color is incidental. You are being immature
@@akshayde But why is he saying specially on caste. So it means opposition will fight on those lines which divides us. They have forgotten development which they were promising. Foreigner speak of merit in their country but in ours they have to say on caste. Atleast we have reservation.
@@akshaydeJefferlot was appointed as a member of the economic advisory council in Manmohan Singh government. The Chief of the Council was of course Sonia Gandhi. During their regime every effort was made to destroy Hinduism and bring in Christianity and Catholicism.
US vice president Kamla Harris and UK prime minister Rishi Sunak both are Indian origin and holding top most in the respective countries. As for him he is only a research and journalist and living here. As long as he is not involved any kind of anti India activity ( sedition charges) he is entitled to express his view with abiding our laws. His views may or may not match yours is immaterial. Anyway his is only views and he is not going to contest any election and became a law maker here.
@@Govindarajan-rf5kk Still i will oppose any view of dividing hindus on basis of caste. Reservation affects only a small group of that community. Same person who gets it takes advantage over the generation while leaving out the rest.
Christopher is completely wrong about how he can make a statement Dalits in up is richer than Maratha last decent, they give equal respect don't extrapolate with very less examples
Becarefull with jumla bhazi 56 wherever he goes he will remove the pants and underwear without knowing what is happening to us,we should not go near him
I think Hindus have learnt from the past, Another divide & rule strategy may not work. BJP is uniting the Hindus under Modi
Any comment now?
Very informative and illuminating. Please keep bringing experts who shed light on things happening around us, rather than just stating that which is already known. Loved this talk.
Thanks !!
@@Amit-kr3sh Hi! Your opening statement that you are a student of pol science reminds me of the statement of Trump supporters where they start any discussion by saying that they have grown up with blacks. Or the typical Hindutva guy who starts with "I have a Muslim friend". Since you are a student of pol science, you will know that it does not matter what the nationality of the expert is. It is his education, understanding and research work that are factors that create credibility. Also, if you study from primary sources of history and research as opposed to what your grandpa told you and what you heard on whatsapp, your understanding would be very different from the person who studies primary sources. Clearly therefore, we both belong to different worlds and any amount of arguing will not help. So, in the interest of peace and compassion, let us agree to differ and not get entangled in useless back and forth discussions.
Very informative discussion. I appreciate your effort.
Relevant & Insightful conversation around socio-economic inequity in India. Christophe Jeffrelot put out some loaded truth about affirmative action programme in India.
Conversation around EWS quota was however absent, it could have been included. Nonetheless, it was fruitful & value-adding talk.
He is talking about dividing people of india to win election. Nobody can/should appreciate this theory. It reminds me of the principle of British East India Company .
You are speaking as if you were around when East India Company was colonizing the subcontinent. Divisions exist in every society. Your idea of a monolithic Hindu society will never materialize.
@@prasanthalphayou guys no problem with muslim unity but scared of hindu unity
@@balajiraju4157 What does that mean? Please explain what is meant by Hindu unity?
I live in France where positive discrimination is, rightly, forbidden
Jaffrelot is a hypocrite
(1) Not sure if this will work against the BJP. (2) Also, giving more and more reservations and quotas, and perpetuating this system is fundamentally a bad idea. It is like treating the symptoms rather than the root causes. It also militates against the idea of merit. (3) The Congress party (especially) needs to understand that there is a lot of anger and hatred against it. They should accept that, apologise to the nation and ask for forgiveness and another chance, while talking about what their plans etc. are, for the country.
I am really saddened to see that you fundamentally didn't understand the theme of this whole discussion. It's not about the agenda of social welfare. Whether reservation or something like that will benefit the society or not? BJP is using the so-called 'Hindutva' to unite Hindus, their(opposing camp)tactics is to divide Hindus along caste lines so that BJP can't get the major chunk of Hindu vote. It's about winning by hook or crook. Let the social fabric go down the drain.
Overreacting is no doubt excessive but sometimes being too naive is also detrimental. Evil people do exist among both sides of the spectrum.
I did understand that part and commented that it might not necessarily help even electorally.
@@satyajitsheth4705 So, in case that would have helped them electorally you would be totally fine? That is insensitive. Winning an election at the cost of decimating a society and its social fabric is equivalent to a genocide. That's why I don't consider democracy to be sustainable governance system. It's the nature of democracy that sides with totally opposing rhetoric would contest to win the election. In the process it creates a permanent rift or ideological diviode among the citizens. This ideological divide doesn't vanish with the end of the election but it remains and in the process corrodes the society from inside like a termite.
Very informative discussion. Thank you and looking forward to more 🙏🏼
Great discussion. Thank you.
Imagine getting a foreigner and formulating theories to break India! Well done, The Wire! Divide Hindus into castes and unite everyone else....well not gonna work buddy!
Foreigners did not create caste system.
Definitely it's a great program
Thank you sir
There should be no reservations in India. Use income as a factor and provide discount
Every democracy has some form of affirmative action for its less privileged citizenry. It’s not a ‘discount’ given to one at the expense of another - it’s a constitutionally protected right.
There shouldn't be any reservations based on religion. Once the British gave muslims reservations India a faced a huge negative consequences of it.
Excellent program
When opposition does divisive politics is would be called secularism and when bjp it is communalism.
Mr. Jafrelot talks about Yadavs cornering all the benefits of reservations in Bihar as soon as they came in power however, the Caste census data shows that among the OBCs Yadavs are the poorest and their representation in government services is also less in proportion of their population.
Anything that shows Modi the door is welcome. Just get him out.
Don't worry, even pakistan wants him out sothat it can resume talks on kashmir 😊😊
Unfortunately in a democracy it's people who decide not some TV anchors
Most likely he will come back with a bigger mandate. If some party is able to do even a one percent better job than what Modi is doing (rather than just cribbing about him), perhaps, they MIGHT get a chance at some future date.
@@vinodbhandari6679 Wrong.They want him to stay. No other PM has been so kind. All thunder, no real action.
And not talking is the stupidest thing. Just shows weakness of logic of your claim.
then why are you calling BJP divisive?? you are the worst 😂 a foreigner suggesting how to divide and rule and you guys are praising it lol 😂 It will just unite Hindutva
Bringing back modi with a brute majority is the only antidote for #Journalism_Jihaad
Oh God! Why are you so anti-India? Or, plain ignorant of what’s going on.
Yes gomuthra nagpur half knickers you are right
@@AlokAsthana1954
What were you expecting after a thousand years of Islamic invasions ? Seriously ?
14:48; the 50% limit has already been crossed by bjp for EWS quota ….
Which organization if Jaffrelot referring to at 17:53 ?
The cutoff for EWS is much lower then the once meant for other reservation candidates ….
The South has been the beacon of social reforms mainly due to the self realisation of the bahujan castes and the systematic dilution of the caste-virus-spreading bammans in every sphere of life and governance …..the north is now rapidly making progress towards social reforms driven by anti-hindutva politics and anti-bammanism ….
Why go straight to reservations? Why not other measures like loans, discounts, extra seats in colleges...
Because they don't want to solve the problem... They want to make GC the villan regardless and take away their wealth.
Indra Singh need to learn a lot in questioning the interviewer
actually, i quite liked his style.
'Sam Bahadur' trailer prompted me into reading up a bit on the man. There apparently was a proposal to apply reservations in the promotion of army officers. Sam Manekshaw promptly shot it down. Such a great man 🙏
Can anyone tell me why no reservation in armed forces.I am not against affirmative action.
@@user-ne8qy4zb6k In the interest of merit, because it is a critical institution, and not some organization for the distribution of government largesse. We need competent people in the army, that's why.
@@user-rg7jt4xp9y
Exactly
This is why the caste based recruitment of presidential guards is abhorrent
Sir BJP and Congress both dividing peoples for votes because they have not their own votes
Your analysis is cocoide and 30 years old.Rahul has brought reality .please amend your analysis
Pakistan and wire both wants coalition government in india why?
So basically this is a discussion to break India's unity "scientifically". It's not going to work, fortunately.
hello what is this unity that you are talking about. If there is poverty India is broken. Solve poverty then we become united
@@ladusingh2141Poverty is true but the fact that poverty is drastically decreasing is also true, it will take time. But this discussion is about how to divide the country!
Nitish has been CM for past 25 years or so but Bihar's caste census shows economic and social condition is bad. He is directly responsible for poor performance.
BJP in power in Gujarat for past 28 years. Not a single government school comparable to Kejriwal 's Delhi government schools. And least said the better about government hospitals of Gujarat.
@@mohammedarif1855 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Intellectual conversation 🎯
Waise Hi 71 Muslim Firqe 😂😂 Karke Jihadi Siyasat Ko Antidote Dena Ho
Awareness among the bahujans and women is antidote to manuvadi hegemony
Nobody believes in your propaganda
Women vote massively for the BJP
Awareness among the pasmandas, women and homosexuals is antidote to arabi islami hegemony
He is openly talking about dividing people of India to win an election, yet somehow he is liberal and BJP is communal, We as Indians should reject his so called mandal theory. people like him have ruined India in the name of caste and so called secularism.
🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🙏🙏🙏
Thats how foreign ideas brought hindutva to indian mainstream
Hindutva itself is fascism adopted for the Indian society.
16:38
Is only a reservation in jobs means social justice?
😢sir in India there's no transfer of power who may win power in the hands of only upper castes
Upper Caste like the Brahmin white Nehru Gandhis ? Or lower castes like Modi ?
How come a foreign person is deciding on how politics should shape in India. Should we also have a say in there politics. By the way atleast we have reservation unlike yours. Isn't it a foreign interference. Wire is again doing job of dividing Hindus on line of caste. So now wire is going this low to bring back congress.
He is an analyst. He doesn't decide things, he researches and connects the dots that lead to our politicians deciding things and the consequences of those decisions.
His skin color is incidental. You are being immature
@@akshayde But why is he saying specially on caste. So it means opposition will fight on those lines which divides us. They have forgotten development which they were promising. Foreigner speak of merit in their country but in ours they have to say on caste. Atleast we have reservation.
@@akshaydeJefferlot was appointed as a member of the economic advisory council in Manmohan Singh government. The Chief of the Council was of course Sonia Gandhi. During their regime every effort was made to destroy Hinduism and bring in Christianity and Catholicism.
US vice president Kamla Harris and UK prime minister Rishi Sunak both are Indian origin and holding top most in the respective countries. As for him he is only a research and journalist and living here. As long as he is not involved any kind of anti India activity ( sedition charges) he is entitled to express his view with abiding our laws. His views may or may not match yours is immaterial. Anyway his is only views and he is not going to contest any election and became a law maker here.
@@Govindarajan-rf5kk Still i will oppose any view of dividing hindus on basis of caste. Reservation affects only a small group of that community. Same person who gets it takes advantage over the generation while leaving out the rest.
और अच्छी तैयारी कर के वीडिओ बनाइए।
Short, crisp, clear.
Unfortunately for TheWire/MK Venu , Jaffrelot is not saying what they want him to say ..
Christopher is completely wrong about how he can make a statement Dalits in up is richer than Maratha last decent, they give equal respect don't extrapolate with very less examples
Becarefull with jumla bhazi 56 wherever he goes he will remove the pants and underwear without knowing what is happening to us,we should not go near him