@theregulator1 Our Jedi law Enforcers were portrayed as mostly in the right with just a couple of rogue agents that "cared too much" about child safety...
In the galactic justice system, witchcraft-based offenses are considered especially heinous. The powerful space monks who investigate these vicious felonies are the members of the Jedi Order. These are their stories....*CLINK-CLUNK!*
@@budgiecat9039 I think of "witches" as merely peoples who interface with and interact with The Force in other ways. Allegedly anyone can rely on The Force - if flows through you, it guides your actions, it obeys your commands. Jedi, Sith, and all the others who use The Force, subtly and otherwise, are pretty much just "space wizards" in this space opera science fantasy.
@@budgiecat9039 I really like the Night Witches. I just don't like these B.Witches And when Sol showed her that lightsaber that must of really made up Osha's mind... "Do you want this cool lightsaber when you grow up, or a broomstick to fly around on?"
I love that you're calling out the dude who shipped the grenades, like "c'mon man, ship your anti personnel weapons with a little more care. The Mail man has nothing to do with your rebellion." Love it.
@@charliedulin Indeed, along with trying to avoid collateral damage (tearing up a bar for example or sending explosives without thinking about the delivery workers) unless you're trying to send a message. The Acolyte is starting the "Be A Better Sith" (soon to be hashtagged) movement!
Having watched the Waco Massacre happen as it happened, I saw the parallels in this episode. The cult was not in the right by any measure, but the FBI and ATF REALLY screwed the pooch on their involvement.
I also watched, after days of talking to them, yes they truly F'ed it up. But he had days to come out, to send the kids OUT, he was in charge. Until he wasn't.
I still remember it, too. The FBI got the kids out pretty early once they showed up, but at that point they were covering for the ATF's screw ups and Koresh kept stalling after agreeing to surrender peacefully. The FBI showed up for war and that jackbootery was not a good look, and at that point it was a pure PR move to rush things (I also find the lack of evidence of tear gas setting the buildings on fire and actual audio tapes of Koresh saying they should douse the whole place in gasoline takes some of the responsibility off the FBI).
if you were old enough and paid attention Waco and Ruby Ridge really are something that could have shaped your relationship with the "good guys". It doesn't look like the AFT is done doing similar things... Bryan Malinowski
Yeah.. no. The cult had done nothing wrong, koresh was the only one that was an issue, but he technically didn't do anything illegal under the Texas law at the time. And child abuse is not an atf or fbi issue. The atf massacred them in an attempt to regain popularity after the ruby ridge incident.
People really big mad that you have intelligent convos about the themes and story, keep it up we all support you cause this is great stuff for the community
@Crocthunder well apparently Allen can’t keep a conversation because when I challenged his view he can only respond, “Caleb buddy watch the video first.” Seems like Allen can’t handle people with different opinions LOL
@babytoshiro7014 I’d love a big convo with Allen but all he says is watch his video when he doesn’t know if I did or not and all I said was he’s bias against Jedi his words not mine and Ep. 7 of The Acolyte wasn’t about “Police Authority” or “Authority” in this incident and he’s gonna give a baby response to my statement LOL not a hater or a Troll just pointed out these two things are not the same nor are in common. And he brushed me off 😂
@ AlexejVoronin not all the time just tired Allen misrepresenting Jedi and makes up junk to push his biased opinions against institutions And would actually want a good video of an honest discussion against the Jedi. No manipulation of Waco TX no manipulation of EP. 7 of the Acolyte just an honest video about mistakes made on both sides but nope. Not with Allen LOL he’s still on his journey to blame Jedi because he’s against institutions LOL
I just want to say that I greatly appreciate your channel. The narrative analysis and critiques you provide are informative, inciteful and entertaining. As an old guy who remembers watching the first movie in the theatre back in May of 77, you are helping keep my joy as a fan alive. To many other channels are feeding into the confirmation biases and anger mongering permeating all of pop culture nowadays. I think that some years in the future there will be a reappraisal of the Acolyte that gives the story more credit for how it tried to provide a narrative foundation to some of the inadequately developed plots of the final 3 movies.
Yeah, he's refreshingly optimistic while still making fair criticisms. I mean I tend to be a bit harsher on this particular show, but I certainly appreciate his more level-headed approach; its so rare to see a star wars youtuber these day who doesn't walk either the path of the shill or the path of the outrage merchant.
Geez...I just came to celebrate the life and times of young Torbin and ended up down the rabbit hole of law enforcement and government oversight 😂... All jokes aside, if this were Tony Gilroy (who based Rogue One on various desert conflicts) I'd definitely say we may be giving Leslye Headland far too much credit for thinking in geopolitical terms with the Acolyte. With that said, I absolutely love this discourse and discussion. Im a very casual SW fan and when asked what I like most about SW as an adult, it's not the lightsaber battles or space combat but the political aspect. Its the reason why I love Rogue One and Andor along with the Clone Wars cartoons...most hate these "slow" moments but I find them fascinating. Keep up the good work brother...looking forward to your assessment of ep8👍🏾
Lightbulb went off in my head when i saw this thumbnail like holy shit it is a lot like waco. A bunch of antsy cops bearing down on a cult that may or may not be dangerous and also has children. And it all goes to hell and burns to the ground and nobody makes it out. Awesome observation dude.
@nickymo this is nothing similar to Wico TX he’s manipulating The Acolyte to say Jedi are bad. Rewatch the acolyte and really pay attention why Sol climbed the mountain with Torbin, why Torbin went back for the twins, Sols convo. With the mother’s, and You’ll realize that yeah Allen is misrepresenting what actually happens in the show to this. And no Jedi aren’t police in this episode and no the Jedi aren’t forcing a cult out of their home or asking for their leaders because of claims. And the only reason why Allen is saying this is because police and a cult hmmm everything else he’s managed to manipulate into them sounding similar and when you actually go back and watch the series and if you know about this in TX you’ll see the differences
@@calebwindham3698the waco show that showtime did was also all about a situation where people on both sides had very limited information about the intentions of the other side, which created distrust that put everyone more on edge. The lack of communication led to the chaos that lost so many lives. The situation is clearly similar. Allen is not framing the jedi as inherently bad here, he is highlighting that both the witches and the jedi were afraid of each other and their distrust and lack of communication is what led to the ensuing chaos.
@@nickymo lack of communication isn't what we are seeing here the Jedi and witches had face-to-face communication. Just because they had mistrust does not mean they never talked with each other they did and for every point one side made the other side understood it clearly. Waco dealt with negotiation and the guy saying to wait to prolong things, FBI wanting to get people out of the compound, surrounding the complex, and so on, Jedi come in, witches see them they talk, then Koril attacks when Mae says there's a fire. Very different events and purposes between Waco and Acolyte and a lack of Communication was not in Acolyte. So I don't see what you're saying. If you are talking about the info about the vergence and Torbin well you do realize Mother Anesyia says you want to know if Osha can go with you so clearly the witches were waiting for the Jedi's response or return, but of course, the writing forgets that and makes the Mother a jerk saying you shouldn't be back here. Seriously? How do you expect them to get Osha from you if they say yes or tell you yes or no? And no you don't need to give a com unit to say yes osha can come with us. You can literally do what they did come back a day later and say hey sorry for the trouble Jedi said no. Just because there is a lack of a phone or whatever doesn't mean "it is a lack of communication"
@@nickymo I understand where you're coming from with the mistrust but the entire situation was conducted differently and comparing how Jedi acted somewhat like the FBI and whatever is just so pushed. Was there mistrust, yes, but that's literally being suspicious of others so what if you mistrust someone you are acting like FBI now? Jedi didn't surround the place they never negotiated saying they'll take everyone and so on, they didn't say we'll wait x amount of time to negotiate, there was no authority on this planet so they couldn't enforce the law, they acted alone, witches started the conflict. there are so many things that are saying no this isn't Waco. Like I told Allen a better one would be if U.S. police acted in a different country with no other law enforcement and forced U.S. law in a different country but hey whatever he didn't want to look stuff up, or make up a scenario and we know why.
Brendok wasn't part of the Republic; it wasn't a member State-Planet. This is effectively colonialism like when the European navies landed on Pacific Islands and applied their own laws to the indigenous population.
@@kimwelch4652No, it's more like the Spanish colonists who followed Columbus and acted horribly toward the natives when the Spanish and Columbus ordered them not to.
@@Lobsterwithinternet No, it's more like the Moorish invasion and conquest of Spain. Because the Jedi are incredibly well-meaning whereas the Spanish were not. And surely the Moors were better to the Spanish than the Spanish were to Meso-Americans.
I didn't even think of the possibility Torben might have had a love interest on Coruscant, good catch. The mother did ask him if he had forbidden desires when she was in his head.
You didn't think about a teenage boy thinking with his light saber?!? I thought that was obvious...lol ..I didn't know how they would pull that off with the whole celibacy/no attachment thing, but that's the only thing that made sense to me. He had a piece back on Coruscant.
As Qui-Gon Jinn rightly noted years before the Jedi Order’s fall, the Order’s flaw was that they had lost sight of their original purpose and had morphed into a glorified law enforcement agency.
@@somersault1123 Essentially, they were supposed to be a spiritual order devoted to peace, harmony, and justice. Instead, they became a political body and appendage of the Republic. Ahsoka’s arc in season 7 of the Clone Wars did a decent job of exposing this weakness of the modern Jedi.
I’ve seen a lot of people criticize the aftershow interviews given by Leslye Headlund, criticizing the very fact of them, but I like them for the same reason I like the breakdowns from Generation Tech, ScreenCrush, Star Wars Explained and Breakroom, to name a few of my favorites. They make points and point out things that I would never have seen on my own. They make my experience of the show much deeper and richer. I give them all my thanks!
Indara breaking free of her Wookie comrade from the group of witches show a huge gap of power between a Jedi and some Dark Sider cult that weren't Sith.
Indara is the only one (and I guess because she is a master) who is presented as being competent...later when sol is a master he is really good against qimir. I feel like in this time period most jedi are basic monks with some powers but totally unable to handle anything without a guidance as they have no experience. Even the masters still call up to the high council. So yeah jedi master seems like the only competent jedi and powerful enough to do real stuff.
If that were true, Sol, Kelnacca, and Torbin could have handled it. We're just seeing that some force users are more powerful and better trained than others. The gap you saw is the power difference between Indara and everybody not named Koril and Aniseya. At that point Koril had bailed and Aniseya had been murdered.
I think they used so much of their will power to keep Kelnacca controlled that when it was broken they were unable to stay conscious. They also were in a DEEP meditation
Back in the 90's after the Waco incident, my CAP sqdrn had an ATF member try to join our squdrn. He was very proud of what he did at Waco, and that rubbed us the wrong way. The guy was bragging about what happened. We told him not to come back. CAP doesn't need people like that in it's organization. If you're going to brag, brag about saving lives not taking them. That guy still pisses me off to this day. Never trust your government they're too trigger happy
I mean, don't trust anyone on that criteria. Tons of individuals blatantly itch for an opportunity to use their 'little friends' with legal cover, or when legal cover is no longer necessary.
@@sierra5360 I wonder what George Lucas meant when he made a whole species bankers and businessman and gave them no noses and made a member of this species be apart of an ancient cult who trains a guy who eventually seized control of the banks and in turn all money flow, to achieve the centuries long dream of a new order and total world domination🤔
I really appreciate how unbiased your content is. Instead of whining or overly praising the show, you will talk about the good, and the bad in a very neutral presentation.
Use of force doctrine is very important for the Jedi. Jedi are given highly effective militarized training from infancy. The Sith are dangerous but when the Jedi get their crap together even the Sith get wiped out. Indara wins a psychic battle against 50 witches and kills all their minds in 10 seconds.
Survivorship bias, though. Aniseya was the Indara of the witches and we have no idea what that Force battle would look like. We basically saw a bunch of Padawans and Knights teaming up and getting taken down by a Master. If there were 10,000 witches running around, then 50 of them together might have been more dangerous. But if there are only 50, then you have fewer powerful witches teaming up.
@@MrBazBake You're not wrong, there are powerful non-Jedi force users, but Jedi take average force users whose powers would naturally fade in their teens and turn them into powerhouses that can take on almost anything 1 vs many. Jedi Training is highly effective. Even powerful Nightsisters fear the Jedi, Witches are artful with the force, Jedi access raw power, Angry Jedi can be brutal.
Here is my take on the training subject. Force users have the potential to be waaaay more devastating than a gun. We are talking about the ability to not just cause wide destruction, they can do so covertly and unstoppable. An individual well versed in discipline could stop the heart of their target without anyone knowing. You can scan for weapons, but how do you scan for Force abilities? Now lets go for the more OP feats, Darth Nihilus "ate" an entire planet, and Naga Sadow used the force to make a star go boom! Darth Sidious corrupted the minds of millions, he broke a Republic. So yeah taking young powerful living weapons away to a place where they can be properly trained and more importantly, monitored and controlled is essential for the survival of an entire galaxy. You simply do not leave WMDs out for anyone to grab and use. Young minds are really easy to manipulate, its why little soldiers are so scary and effective, they do not know or understand why they they shouldn't. Now the Jedi could have reacted in a much better way, and having more than 1 order that espouses similar ideals would be better, as long as the Witches weren't seeking to cause harm then they should have let them be. The Sith however only sought to dominate and enslave, so they had to go.
What really gets me is that a lot of people get mad that Star Wars is representing politics and kind of the original Star Wars was a representation of the Vietnam War
the people complaining about politics and agenda dont even realise the prequels were filled with politics nute gunray is a combination of newt gingrich and ronald regan who were republicans, the trade federation was written as a response to the 1994 republican revolution anakin’s “if you’re not with me, you’re against me” is taken from george bush’s speech during the war with iraq “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists” which triggered alot of conservatives and bush supporters during the airing of rots aotc literially had a whole election sideplot where palpatine runs for senator imagine hearing lines like “this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause” and “im with the republic, with democracy” and think starwars is apolitical that would really say alot about the people hating and their media literacy
I've been skipping Acolyte videos because the discourse is exhausting, but this was a great and welcome take. I was alive for Waco and you've presented a lot of details I never knew. A fresh look at Waco makes the episode even more compelling and is worthwhile in its own right.
@ andersonic hate to break it to you but he’s manipulating the episode to sound like Waco. I’d suggest watch Ep. 3/7 of the acolyte and do research on Waco because when you actually undo stand why sol climbed the mountain with Torbin and his convo. With the mothers and the events that took place then compare that to Waco you’ll be disappointed that he’s stretching events.
@@peregry Waco makes more sense. Considering the Weavers were identified as members of the Aryan Nation and trying to form an antisemitic organization, Ruby Ridge was more like if a bunch of Sith were raising their kids to be Sith alone in the woods and meeting with other Sith on the weekends. Still overreach but less confusion.
But the witches arent either. Monther Aniseya is Jim Jones and Brendok is Guyana. After isolating her followers to get them to depend on her, Mother Jones led them all to their deaths when confronted.
You know even after what they did on brendok, I don’t see the Jedi as bad guys. They are just trying to do the right thing sure Sol is reckless and always jumping ahead but he’s trying to do the right thing. And for Torbin sure his whiny attitude about going home is a bit much and he did go to the coven recklessly but he’s a young kid.
Sol is also a murderer who had help covering it up and he should have gone to the council and told them the truth. Then again, the jedi should also be more open minded and should be able to handle being told the truth, help Sol along the path to redemption, and give Osha and others a fair chance that doesn't immediately disqualify you to be a jedi because how old they found you. And you know, be knowledgeable enough to recognize that emotions are not the problem, it's the lack of training to properly handle them that is the problem.
I have interpreted it as very much like the prequels. For the masters and those it works for the jedi code is great. But the reality is you have a bunch of knights and padawans who obviously can't supress their emotions potentially causing havoc without strict oversight. It was only a matter of time before a mega powerful padawan like anakin came along that the code didn't suit and blow it all up
Must be a long connection because the similarities are few lol what a cult and a fire? Because the purpose, the execution, the reasons why, and everything in between is far from Waco.
7:51 In situations with active shooters, having access to weapons more accurate than a pistol could mean the difference between life and death for a lot of people. Fire superiority is very important in such instances.
Wow, just when I thought I couldn’t love your channel any more. I thought of Waco when I watched this episode, but I love how you thoughtfully articulated the connection. I also truly appreciate that despite all the negativity and toxicity surrounding this series, you look right past that and provide some very intelligent analyses. No Star Wars media is perfect (I grew up on the OT, and even those were not perfect), but despite whatever flaws there are, there is something brilliant in all of it, something that makes you think.
@ leshaygood6054 well when you really look into the comparisons they are not the same. Only similarity that you can stretch and it’s stretching it is calling the Jedi and what they did similar to the police at TX and that’s a big stretch LOL because they are operating under different circumstances not similar ones. Only realistic similarities is the mountain and cult home burned. But that’s typical Allen for you he loves making stuff up against the Jedi. I encourage anyone to rewatch the acolyte and understand why the events occurred and if you know what occurred in TX compare them step by step and you’ll see how different these are to each other. Allen gives some major differences but then manipulates it to be comparable to the Jedi actions. yet anyone who actually breaks Allen’s argument down will see the flaws shine through.
@skyblueo not a good analogy Allen is misrepresenting what actually occurred in the episode to this. His argument can be taken apart easily and I gave him a better analogy and all he had to say was watch the video. LOL. The guy can’t take criticism.
7:42 yes, yes I do, it also helps notify the neighbors of a break in so that they may call the cops whilst I am otherwise occupied, afterall why else would I have an m2 browning at the top of the stairs loaded with APIT
Am I the only one who thinks Indara never contacted the council? Idk I just find it weird that every time Sol’s called the council in this series they show it but now with Indara they didn’t. 🤷🏽♂️
It’s funny how people forget this show is set from the villain’s perspective and thinks it’s Disney hating the Jedi. This episode shows that some Jedi make mistakes but not all are bad. The Jedi are genuinely good and some can let their fears drive them to make mistakes. We all remember what fear leads to. The show isn’t amazing but it’s been enjoyable and I like that we are getting away from the Skywalker storyline.
Yeah i actually think they thought out this show pretty well when watching the older episode the character motivations do make senses. The execution and som dialogue is funky but it’s not a step backwards
I was wondering what would have happened if the Jedi on the planet, instead of sneaking around, just calmly approach the witches, have a civil talk with the moms & you know, trust in the will of the force and all that and instead of losing their grip (like Sol did, in a very weird and uncomfortable way) just left them alone. The Jedi Council actually made the right decision and Sol & Torbin messed it all up.
There is no comparison here. The Jedi did not plan and execute a "raid" on Brendok. A Jedi recon team naturally investigated on what they thought was an uninhabited planet. They expressed concern for the kids, REQUESTED permission to remove one of them that desired to leave and were attacked. Maybe the showrunners did have WACO in mind but this approach is completely hamfisted.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl 😂 I finally found someone who’s gonna call Allen out like I did LOL. I mean literally how hard is it to watch the episode and go yeah this isn’t following Waco events. The only thing similar that I find is a cult a fire and “poor communication” the witches and Jedi clearly had good communication I mean face to face interaction is as clear as you can get only Koril jumped into action which escalated things
@@somersault1123 Yeah, kind of hard to do anything then. Unless you're The Grand Inquisitor, Sabine, or anyone else other than Qui-Gon and the Jedi from this show. 😏 But seriously, the way she was talking earlier and then seemingly doing some evil dark magic stuff to Mae really doesn't help her case.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Was it her lungs? She was looking mostly smoky or misty at this point, while sucking in Mae. Not even sure it killed her. Aniseya did somehow move to where the other witches were.
I get your point but throughout this season the intentions of these characters change on a dime. My main confusion is that Mae literally witnessed the death of her mother by the saber of Sols. So then why didn’t she kill him when she had the chance when he was flying the ship in episode 6? And what does sol need to tell Mae? She practically witnessed everything
big ups your take on this. I would be lying if i didnt say that I found the last episode disappointing but its refreshing hearing you add context to it.
Thank you as always Allen for looking deeper. I think you really just explained to me why Vernestra Ro acts like she does. She's not dumb, but she's missing the larger threat. She thinks the Jedi are necessary to the survival of the Republic and won't take any risks that could impede their ability to take independent decisive action.
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Great video. I watched Waco as it happened. It should not have happened. Great parallels in this video. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers for any subject.
@B.matrix Wasn’t that thoughtful Allen is manipulating the events to sound similar to Waco his arguments are flawed and pushed by his bias against institutions like the Jedi. So no surprise he forces Jedi to be “police” in this instance
Now let’s imagine that, rather than in Waco, the ATF raided some random Mexican village and, rather than the ATF it was a band of government aligned science monks and we have ourselves a perfect analogy 😂 Seriously love the thoughtfulness and care you put into every video. Best videos about The Acolyte around. Your videos thoughtful videos provide great connections and insight. Keep it up!
@ThomasO2 clearly Allen doesn’t put enough thought into it because if you rewatch the episode and realize why Sol climbed the mountain with Torbin and why Torbin left, and Sols. Convo with the mothers, and if you actually know about Wico TX then you’ll realize Allen is misrepresenting what actually occurred in the Acolyte and is trying to paint Jedi as bad. Did you notice he only criticized Mother Koril and the Jedi but never says anything bad about Mother Anesiya of how she mistreated her daughters or how she never cared about oshas wish about not being a witch or how about the stupid argument of her calling the Jedi ignorant of their surroundings when literally she tells her witches they escaped being hunted to this planet which conveniently was inhabited because of a disaster? Which was recorded clearly because Master Trinity talks about it LOL. Seems like he’s being biased in his criticism and to pull this number of comparing Jedi to police is just ridiculous because he’s manipulating what occurred in the episode to a poorly conducted event in history
@@calebwindham3698 I wouldn’t give him that hard a time. I believe I have a fair understanding of what occurred in Waco and I thought it was silly to extend the analogy. That being said, as he always is in every video, Allen was flexing his empathy muscles. That’s not a bad thing. To me, it’s nice to hear a creator treat the side he deems in the “wrong” as fellow humans, no different from you and I. The Jedi *were* bad because they were hasty not bad because they were immoral. At least that seems to be the intent from the writers and I think Allen nails it. To say that Anesiya was inconsiderate of Osha is entirely misrepresented. It’s a conflict for her but she makes the right decision because her plans for her children revolve around love. Koril’s choices, on the other hand, are fear-based. Both mothers make mistakes but for different reasons. Love often drives selfishness. When we love someone, we want them to like what we like and value what we value. And that definitely does make Anesiya make some poor decisions. I don’t think Allen’s problem was that he misunderstood anything. He just extended an analogy beyond its limits.
@@ThomasO2 I don't think what I said is giving Allen a "hard time" That's simple criticism and you can boil it down to quit with the exaggeration of events for a silly slap-together analogy. I understand what you are saying Anesiya isn't perfect that's clear, but for Allen to criticize Koril and the Jedi yet praise or treat Anesiya like a good person is just wrong she shares more blame as the witch leader and as a jerk to Koril as Koril is the true mother of the twins and Anesiya treats her like she's incompetent, makes her look bad in front of her own children, plays the "good" parent for the twins, and Anesiya clearly cares nothing about her coven as she can't keep them in line and allows people to incite violence. Allen is like oh yes she's like Padme and Leia and the other women. No, She's a bad role model sucks to say it but Anesiya deserves just as much if not more blame for the Witches' demise. And you see where this "analogy" is going. He's not treating the side he deems wrong like humans he's nitpicking to shove his bias of Jedi into his video. He can't argue against Koril she's written that way, but he is leaving out Anesiya's lack of responsibility, her poor actions, and her own mistakes to. Then says the Jedi are Police in Waco. Ok this isn't treating the Jedi like humans like you and I it's the blame game of shifting blame onto people because of his bias. If he wanted to treat the Jedi like humans as you and I like you said, Allen would have criticized them fairly for their mistakes and not made his ignorant analogy that the Jedi are just as incompetent like the FBI in Waco. And I do think Allen still misunderstood the Acolyte Ep. I don't think he would make this video if he didn't actually believe his claims. Allen only extends his stuff when he makes stuff up to be funny really and that within itself is poor comedy. Torbin's name to Torbine or Torbin's "love interest" all extending made up stuff or unimportant stuff to seem "light-hearted fun" for his viewers.
Comparing the Jedi to Janet Reno's DOJ subsidiaries like the ATF is a bit of an insult to the Jedi. Even the HR era Jedi. I refer to them as HR era because it kills two birds with one stone as both an acronym and evoking images of a contemporary HR department.
What similarities? A cult and a fire? The police and Jedi aren’t acting similar and the events that lead up to it aren’t similar how it occurred aren’t similar so please help what similarities because they are very different
This channel deserves more views. As a Scandinavian (in all humblety), I'm impressed that you mentioned our police. They're not perfect by any means, but I'm definitely glad they take higher education for at least 3 years in order to become police officers. I also agree completely about Headland's take on the Jedi and Sith and how she challenges and complicates our view of them.
Well-thought-out video. I didn't make the Waco connections but I was definitely thinking about some notable cases of law enforcement's disproportionate response to small crimes in specific neighborhoods
Interesting comparison but the major difference is that the ATF had 1993 Law Enforcement technology which you'd be surprised at how poor it was. Additionally, law enforcement practices were archaic compared to today. However, the situation is similar.
Also the fact that the Branch Davidian’s were tipped off about the raid by a postman who was asked for directions by a reporter. The Brach Davidian’s were heavily armed and barricaded inside the compound. The original ATF goal was to prevent this by using overwhelming force and surprise. As soon as the surprise was gone, overwhelming force became a shoot out that cost the lives of multiple ATF agents. If surprise had been maintained it would have most likely would have been successful. The tactic is still used by modern SWAT teams. The ATF basically walked into a trap
@@GenerationTech exactly!! Unfortunately, whether it is industry, business, emergency services, criminal justice, or law, nothing changes if we don't have tragedy and failure. I learned this through 25 years in Law Enforcement and 23 years Active/Reserve Military. As a Srar Wars fan, the similarities between the Aolyte's portrayal of the Jedi and the perception and portrayal of today's law enforcement is almost identical.
Dude, this was the most insightful, thoughtful review of this show that I have seen. While everyone else is simply going on about how much they hate the show…you’re actually analyzing it. Also, I’m glad to know I wasn’t the only one who instantly saw the Waco parallel! Good on you for bringing it up…
Not insightful he’s manipulated the episode events to sound similar to Waco and painting the Jedi as “police” in this event the only similarity between these two are a cult and a fire everything else is being forced but I’d like to know what you connected perhaps you could explain it better then Allen
@@calebwindham3698 Well, if you’re old enough to have watched the Waco situation play out on TV, as it was unfolding, you definitely see (and feel) the similarities. The all-consuming fire that started. The sense of authority butting into what was essentially a cult, and a catastrophe resulting. The witches basically committing suicide in an attempt to defend themselves. Those were the main similarities I saw that took me right back to the Waco situation. Chilling… Those are pretty obvious connections…so he’s not necessarily a genius for making them. But I enjoyed his review because he went out of his way to analyze the show from a perspective I’ve not seen done. I like different.
@@tgriffin5000 Fair enough for liking a different perspective to reacting to the Acolyte but how he goes about it isn't the best way. Like you said witches committing suicide to defend themselves and a fire is about the only connection there is. Everything else is not being misrepresented which I don't appreciate just because he wants dis on Jedi. If criticizing the Jedi is what anyone wants to do. Do it correctly and not misrepresent The Acolyte and make false "equivalent" connections to a historical event. Just because you want to talk bad about Jedi.
@@calebwindham3698 I hear ya. I think what’s cool is that everybody takes something different from these reviews…and then filters them thru their own perceptions, as well. Great conversation!
@@tgriffin5000 Nothing against people taking different perceptions, but I think there should be a line where you draw a connection and one where you go too far just for a video.
The episode is a great demonstration that we need to police ourselves before relying on police enforcement. Because if we fail to self restrain ourselves there's not enough police in the department to restrain everyone.
Really though Allen literally makes stuff up and misrepresented events in the episode to manipulate it to be similar to Waco TX how’s that analysis? If anything it’s a low level analysis or surface level.
I love the connections made between concepts in the recent writing of the show and their reflection in our own culture and history in this episode in particular. The best of episodes do this but this one with the comparison of ATF and FBIs handling of Waco to the jedis motives towards the witches training children in the force being viewed by them as possibly dangerous cult in wake of recent incidents that shocked the world (mass cool aid …) is soo good.
Yeah that’s not at all what the Jedi thought or their intentions lol. If they were scared of these witches nightsisters should have been extinct then LOL. Rewatch the acolyte you’ll see why it went down and as far as Waco goes that’s a stretch to compare it’s events and the police to Jedi
"When you try to assassinate someone, which you should not do..." I was expecting the next line to be "because... Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."
My question is who would lead the prosecution in Mae's trial would it be a Jedi or a Republic prosecutor and would she even be provided a defense counsel and who would defend her?
This is a decent parallel. The level of hysteria of law enforcement, mirrored by the potential level of threat posed by the Branch Davidians to their own children and to the public was not insignificant.
This was actually a really really good comparison. The only issue was they didn’t focus enough on the invasion of compound of witches so this episode went over alot of people’s heads including mines.
I remember the whole thing being super terrible. One thing I read was that the ATF was suggested to be disbanded, but nobody wanted the agents. Another was that they made up all the crazy stuff cause he had fully automatic weapons, and were just pissed
Great discussion. I’m from Texas, and I remember the Waco tragedy. The comparison is appropriate. All these faulty assumptions and lack of communication led to both tragic outcomes.
Mate! You encapsulated the point of this show - at least the very obvious one - when you said, "The Jedi make mistakes. They are human. They are not gods." From the start of this show, a range of questions centered on the role of the jedi in the galaxy have sat in my mind. What does the Jedi do with force-sensitives who were not trained by them? Do they get permission from the parents before taking on younglings? Is the mere use of the Dark Side a crime? I'll keep repeating it because, faults and all, I feel this show has been unfairlt recieved by so many. It should be commended for the risks it took in telling a different story... I actually dislike that Qimir says he can be referred to as a Sith.
@DarthJarJar10 but the show isn’t asking questions it’s trying to paint the Jedi as evil and bad not making mistakes. Plus we know they aren’t perfect look at Ep. 1-3 with Anakin George literally shows the flaw of the Jedi in his movie. And yes we don’t know what parents say about Jedi requests to have their children but what we do know is that it is an acceptable practice watch CW when Bane is steeling kids parents are told their child can be Jedi and they will be back when the child is of age. And yes it’s a sad thing according to us but remember a Jedi life and role is probably looked as a better life than a civilian and parents probably want the best for their child and send them off for a “better” life serving the Republic and protecting the galaxy. But no let’s act like this show is good for making good guys bad and bad guys good
@@calebwindham3698, I'll try to listen more carefully to the other points you've made but this show is not trying to "paint the jedi as bad". If that's what you've taken away from it at this stage where episode 8 is outstanding, that's on you. The reason I say this is ultimately the only "bad" thing that was done on Brendok was when Torbin pulled his Leeroy Jenkins act and Sol followed him along on it. If the team just listened to Indara when she was aptly being cautious or approached the Council sooner, they would not have interfered and there would have been no tragedy. Even the Council's feedback aligns with a "live and let be" attitude that shows they understood it wasn't fair to disturb the coven... How is that evil? And honestly... It's one thing if the show were "painting the Jedi as evil" (it's really not) but what it is doing (just like the prequels and the Clone Wars), is painting them as fallible. This seems to be the unholy sin which so many cannot get over and yet, even in the original trilogy and prequel trilogy, the most canon of material out there, the Jedi are fallible.
@@DarthJarJar10 It's not what I've taken away from it it's what collectively everyone is reporting it as. If this was to show the Jedi as fallible we already know this because George already expanded on this like you and I have said. But now we are to say Jedi are wrong for wanting Osha and Mae? It's literally what they do, and what events occurred on Brendock isn't oh shame on the Jedi the Witches are just as much to blame if not more. Koril already established how the twins were made would cause trouble with the jedi, and do they try to explain anything, Nope they act like jerks and are surprised when Jedi show up asking questions. And this isn't the sin that's really what people are getting upset about pretty sure it's so mirrored to Anakin and how it presented that people are tired of a copy-and-paste move on Disney part. just like Ep.7/8.
You're forgetting Ruby Ridge, It was the other event that escalated things in the 1990s. Those 2 events undermined the ATF reputation and of course lead to blowback(Oklahoma bombing). Since then the ATF has improved their tactics but still held to some questionable ones like what happened with Bryan Malinowski(deciding to do serve a search warrant at 6am and only giving 30 seconds before ramming the door) & Russell Fincher (going after small FFL dealers for clerical errors that's been already corrected, not sorting out logical inconsistency between laws like saying selling ammo to prohibited person at a show is a crime when there is no law requiring a background checks on ammo, sending a SWAT team when the FFL holder has already agreed to an appointment & inspection & finally there is the issue of holding out in the federal court vs taking a plea deal) amongst other things. The ATF is in a similar position as local police, understaffed & expected to deliver miracles by politicians when even the politicians haven't sorted out how new laws will change policy. For those wondering why American police can't be more like what Europe has need to remember America has more gun violence to deal with so police tend to be jumpier, on top of being underpaid, understaffed, overworked, stressed & demoralized. It's easy to criticize but good policy & reform requires understanding & patience to work out the kinks & when your job is subject to the whims of politics then you can guess what happens next.
Not to mention that you're dealing with a population that’s more violent and is more likely to be dealing with mental issues than what we see in Europe.
Vulcans are Jedi, Romulans are Sith confirmed... 😮 Edit: and they all join together on a single planet and live in harmony once they set aside their differences.
If Vulcans existed in/made it to the Star Wars galaxy, they would unironically make some of the best Jedi, in my opinion. Already well-accustomed to a rigid, ritualistic way of life free from emotion, and also already capable of low-level space magic with their mind melds and the like. Surak's teachings combined with the Jedi Code would honestly make the latter way more viable. At the same time, if one did ever fall to the dark side, they'd probably make insanely powerful Sith considering how strong Vulcans' natural aggressive tendencies are if they lose/relinquish control of their emotions.
Short notes on the Waco stuff 1, the hand gernades were dummies, meant for larping and stuff; 2, the branch guys were fully licensed for machine guns and for sale of firearms, the siege was just in case they hadn’t registered some of them, despite that they always had 3, david k would play in a local band at the bar once or twice a week 4, the lab was from a previous owner of the property, or possibly not even the owner, just someone who set one up on the land Dunno if someone else put this down here, haven’t read the comments yet
Oh no, I'm not brave enough for politics
This wasn’t based on that. The writers would be on the side of the FBI
Love your content though brother
@theregulator1 Our Jedi law Enforcers were portrayed as mostly in the right with just a couple of rogue agents that "cared too much" about child safety...
@@theregulator1 Life is a bit more complicated than just "good guys" and "bad guys"...
Nobody is bro
In the galactic justice system, witchcraft-based offenses are considered especially heinous. The powerful space monks who investigate these vicious felonies are the members of the Jedi Order. These are their stories....*CLINK-CLUNK!*
I really do not like witches in Star Wars
This is really awesome
@@budgiecat9039 I think of "witches" as merely peoples who interface with and interact with The Force in other ways. Allegedly anyone can rely on The Force - if flows through you, it guides your actions, it obeys your commands.
Jedi, Sith, and all the others who use The Force, subtly and otherwise, are pretty much just "space wizards" in this space opera science fantasy.
@@budgiecat9039 I really like the Night Witches. I just don't like these B.Witches
And when Sol showed her that lightsaber that must of really made up Osha's mind...
"Do you want this cool lightsaber when you grow up, or a broomstick to fly around on?"
*GONK-GONK!*
I love that you're calling out the dude who shipped the grenades, like "c'mon man, ship your anti personnel weapons with a little more care. The Mail man has nothing to do with your rebellion." Love it.
"When you try to assassinate someone, which you should not do..." I'll be saving that line for later!
Yeah. Got to write it down. seems important to remember
@@charliedulin Indeed, along with trying to avoid collateral damage (tearing up a bar for example or sending explosives without thinking about the delivery workers) unless you're trying to send a message.
The Acolyte is starting the "Be A Better Sith" (soon to be hashtagged) movement!
That became useful more quickly than I think you expected.
This aged pretty well.
@@Jirolin1 This is why we can't have nice things.
I was thinking of the Ruby Ridge incident, but this one is honestly more paralleled.
That is a valid vibe.
Having watched the Waco Massacre happen as it happened, I saw the parallels in this episode.
The cult was not in the right by any measure, but the FBI and ATF REALLY screwed the pooch on their involvement.
I also watched, after days of talking to them, yes they truly F'ed it up. But he had days to come out, to send the kids OUT, he was in charge. Until he wasn't.
I still remember it, too. The FBI got the kids out pretty early once they showed up, but at that point they were covering for the ATF's screw ups and Koresh kept stalling after agreeing to surrender peacefully.
The FBI showed up for war and that jackbootery was not a good look, and at that point it was a pure PR move to rush things (I also find the lack of evidence of tear gas setting the buildings on fire and actual audio tapes of Koresh saying they should douse the whole place in gasoline takes some of the responsibility off the FBI).
As someone who has written papers and given presentations on it...the apology is there but very stretched.
if you were old enough and paid attention Waco and Ruby Ridge really are something that could have shaped your relationship with the "good guys". It doesn't look like the AFT is done doing similar things... Bryan Malinowski
Yeah.. no. The cult had done nothing wrong, koresh was the only one that was an issue, but he technically didn't do anything illegal under the Texas law at the time.
And child abuse is not an atf or fbi issue. The atf massacred them in an attempt to regain popularity after the ruby ridge incident.
*thumbnail*
And the Wookie Jedi is the IRS.
Everyone fears the IRS.
WOOKIE TAX!!!
rips arm off
@@GenerationTech Pay your taxes.... or lose your arms...
But the IRS doesn’t pull your arms out of your sockets when they lose…yet?
I suffer a different strategy: let the IRS win.
@@GenerationTech
More hardcore than the cheese tax.
Not even the Joker was willing to cross the IRS. The Gotham City Police Department? Batman? The Justice League? Absolutely. The tax man? No way!
People really big mad that you have intelligent convos about the themes and story, keep it up we all support you cause this is great stuff for the community
Have to bro, the troll and haters can't cope with large convo lol
Sometimes, people being mad just means you're doing the right thing ;)
@Crocthunder well apparently Allen can’t keep a conversation because when I challenged his view he can only respond, “Caleb buddy watch the video first.” Seems like Allen can’t handle people with different opinions LOL
@babytoshiro7014 I’d love a big convo with Allen but all he says is watch his video when he doesn’t know if I did or not and all I said was he’s bias against Jedi his words not mine and Ep. 7 of The Acolyte wasn’t about “Police Authority” or “Authority” in this incident and he’s gonna give a baby response to my statement LOL not a hater or a Troll just pointed out these two things are not the same nor are in common. And he brushed me off 😂
@ AlexejVoronin not all the time just tired Allen misrepresenting Jedi and makes up junk to push his biased opinions against institutions And would actually want a good video of an honest discussion against the Jedi. No manipulation of Waco TX no manipulation of EP. 7 of the Acolyte just an honest video about mistakes made on both sides but nope. Not with Allen LOL he’s still on his journey to blame Jedi because he’s against institutions LOL
I just want to say that I greatly appreciate your channel. The narrative analysis and critiques you provide are informative, inciteful and entertaining. As an old guy who remembers watching the first movie in the theatre back in May of 77, you are helping keep my joy as a fan alive.
To many other channels are feeding into the confirmation biases and anger mongering permeating all of pop culture nowadays.
I think that some years in the future there will be a reappraisal of the Acolyte that gives the story more credit for how it tried to provide a narrative foundation to some of the inadequately developed plots of the final 3 movies.
This dude makes the best Star Wars videos. Top tier content.
Absolutely
Him and the Obiwan deep fake dude basically the only SW channels I can stand nowadays.
Yeah, he's refreshingly optimistic while still making fair criticisms. I mean I tend to be a bit harsher on this particular show, but I certainly appreciate his more level-headed approach; its so rare to see a star wars youtuber these day who doesn't walk either the path of the shill or the path of the outrage merchant.
Fair? He makes excuses for this terrible show. @@dreadrath
Agreed. Informative and entertaining.
We actually DO fund our police. Its just the funds go into the wrong places.
Geez...I just came to celebrate the life and times of young Torbin and ended up down the rabbit hole of law enforcement and government oversight 😂...
All jokes aside, if this were Tony Gilroy (who based Rogue One on various desert conflicts) I'd definitely say we may be giving Leslye Headland far too much credit for thinking in geopolitical terms with the Acolyte.
With that said, I absolutely love this discourse and discussion.
Im a very casual SW fan and when asked what I like most about SW as an adult, it's not the lightsaber battles or space combat but the political aspect. Its the reason why I love Rogue One and Andor along with the Clone Wars cartoons...most hate these "slow" moments but I find them fascinating.
Keep up the good work brother...looking forward to your assessment of ep8👍🏾
Lightbulb went off in my head when i saw this thumbnail like holy shit it is a lot like waco. A bunch of antsy cops bearing down on a cult that may or may not be dangerous and also has children. And it all goes to hell and burns to the ground and nobody makes it out.
Awesome observation dude.
@nickymo this is nothing similar to Wico TX he’s manipulating The Acolyte to say Jedi are bad. Rewatch the acolyte and really pay attention why Sol climbed the mountain with Torbin, why Torbin went back for the twins, Sols convo. With the mother’s, and You’ll realize that yeah Allen is misrepresenting what actually happens in the show to this. And no Jedi aren’t police in this episode and no the Jedi aren’t forcing a cult out of their home or asking for their leaders because of claims.
And the only reason why Allen is saying this is because police and a cult hmmm everything else he’s managed to manipulate into them sounding similar and when you actually go back and watch the series and if you know about this in TX you’ll see the differences
@@calebwindham3698the waco show that showtime did was also all about a situation where people on both sides had very limited information about the intentions of the other side, which created distrust that put everyone more on edge. The lack of communication led to the chaos that lost so many lives. The situation is clearly similar.
Allen is not framing the jedi as inherently bad here, he is highlighting that both the witches and the jedi were afraid of each other and their distrust and lack of communication is what led to the ensuing chaos.
@@nickymo lack of communication isn't what we are seeing here the Jedi and witches had face-to-face communication. Just because they had mistrust does not mean they never talked with each other they did and for every point one side made the other side understood it clearly. Waco dealt with negotiation and the guy saying to wait to prolong things, FBI wanting to get people out of the compound, surrounding the complex, and so on, Jedi come in, witches see them they talk, then Koril attacks when Mae says there's a fire. Very different events and purposes between Waco and Acolyte and a lack of Communication was not in Acolyte. So I don't see what you're saying.
If you are talking about the info about the vergence and Torbin well you do realize Mother Anesyia says you want to know if Osha can go with you so clearly the witches were waiting for the Jedi's response or return, but of course, the writing forgets that and makes the Mother a jerk saying you shouldn't be back here. Seriously? How do you expect them to get Osha from you if they say yes or tell you yes or no? And no you don't need to give a com unit to say yes osha can come with us. You can literally do what they did come back a day later and say hey sorry for the trouble Jedi said no. Just because there is a lack of a phone or whatever doesn't mean "it is a lack of communication"
@@nickymo I understand where you're coming from with the mistrust but the entire situation was conducted differently and comparing how Jedi acted somewhat like the FBI and whatever is just so pushed. Was there mistrust, yes, but that's literally being suspicious of others so what if you mistrust someone you are acting like FBI now? Jedi didn't surround the place they never negotiated saying they'll take everyone and so on, they didn't say we'll wait x amount of time to negotiate, there was no authority on this planet so they couldn't enforce the law, they acted alone, witches started the conflict. there are so many things that are saying no this isn't Waco. Like I told Allen a better one would be if U.S. police acted in a different country with no other law enforcement and forced U.S. law in a different country but hey whatever he didn't want to look stuff up, or make up a scenario and we know why.
The state has a monopoly on violence, the Jedi had a monopoly on the force.
Brendok wasn't part of the Republic; it wasn't a member State-Planet. This is effectively colonialism like when the European navies landed on Pacific Islands and applied their own laws to the indigenous population.
@@kimwelch4652No, it's more like the Spanish colonists who followed Columbus and acted horribly toward the natives when the Spanish and Columbus ordered them not to.
@@Lobsterwithinternet No, it's more like the Moorish invasion and conquest of Spain. Because the Jedi are incredibly well-meaning whereas the Spanish were not. And surely the Moors were better to the Spanish than the Spanish were to Meso-Americans.
@@somersault1123 Except the Moors didn't act against their orders and started enslaving and murdering people.
😂😂😂😂😂 wow ...
"It's Torbin Time!" - said Padawan Torbin calmly
@@rexlumontad5644 I’ll try spinning that’s a cool trick.
@@MrTragedious986If only he learned to do the scorpion kick like his Master
@@MrTragedious986That line reminds of an elegant time, for a more civilized age.
LEEEEROY….!
Torbining intensifies. :P
I didn't even think of the possibility Torben might have had a love interest on Coruscant, good catch. The mother did ask him if he had forbidden desires when she was in his head.
Of felt of the Celibacy part to much of a berten for him and she could see it
You didn't think about a teenage boy thinking with his light saber?!? I thought that was obvious...lol ..I didn't know how they would pull that off with the whole celibacy/no attachment thing, but that's the only thing that made sense to me. He had a piece back on Coruscant.
@@Pavlos_CharalambousWhat????
i remember reading that from one of you guys in the comments but yeah taht's the only motivation that would make sense right?
There's no hint at all in the show that that's part of his motivation.
Exactly from the beginning I said this is a Waco Texas situation
As Qui-Gon Jinn rightly noted years before the Jedi Order’s fall, the Order’s flaw was that they had lost sight of their original purpose and had morphed into a glorified law enforcement agency.
What was the original purpose?
@@somersault1123 Essentially, they were supposed to be a spiritual order devoted to peace, harmony, and justice. Instead, they became a political body and appendage of the Republic. Ahsoka’s arc in season 7 of the Clone Wars did a decent job of exposing this weakness of the modern Jedi.
I’ve seen a lot of people criticize the aftershow interviews given by Leslye Headlund, criticizing the very fact of them, but I like them for the same reason I like the breakdowns from Generation Tech, ScreenCrush, Star Wars Explained and Breakroom, to name a few of my favorites. They make points and point out things that I would never have seen on my own. They make my experience of the show much deeper and richer. I give them all my thanks!
NewRockstars are also there. They usually take more time to create review than ScreenCrush or Star Wars Explained, but they really dive deep
@@andrewgavrilov7273 Yes, mos’ def’. I feel bad about forgetting that one. Thanks for the reminder!
Love the glass of Kool Aid in the disposable cup on your desk. A+ set design!
wrong cult😁
Its what Ive been saying since the first flashback. Aniseya is Jim Jones. Brenbock is Guyana.
@@charliedulin That wasn't the case though. That is what the Jedi thought after Mae screwed up the phrasing about the ascension.
@charliedulin
FLDS would be a much better example.
Indara breaking free of her Wookie comrade from the group of witches show a huge gap of power between a Jedi and some Dark Sider cult that weren't Sith.
Maybe, but maybe the hard disconnect scrambled at the witches’ brains and that’s what killed them.
Indara is the only one (and I guess because she is a master) who is presented as being competent...later when sol is a master he is really good against qimir.
I feel like in this time period most jedi are basic monks with some powers but totally unable to handle anything without a guidance as they have no experience. Even the masters still call up to the high council.
So yeah jedi master seems like the only competent jedi and powerful enough to do real stuff.
If that were true, Sol, Kelnacca, and Torbin could have handled it. We're just seeing that some force users are more powerful and better trained than others.
The gap you saw is the power difference between Indara and everybody not named Koril and Aniseya. At that point Koril had bailed and Aniseya had been murdered.
I think they used so much of their will power to keep Kelnacca controlled that when it was broken they were unable to stay conscious. They also were in a DEEP meditation
Why do everyone assume it killed them? I thought the fire killed them and getting severed from Kelnacca just KO'd them.
Back in the 90's after the Waco incident, my CAP sqdrn had an ATF member try to join our squdrn. He was very proud of what he did at Waco, and that rubbed us the wrong way. The guy was bragging about what happened. We told him not to come back. CAP doesn't need people like that in it's organization.
If you're going to brag, brag about saving lives not taking them.
That guy still pisses me off to this day. Never trust your government they're too trigger happy
I mean, don't trust anyone on that criteria. Tons of individuals blatantly itch for an opportunity to use their 'little friends' with legal cover, or when legal cover is no longer necessary.
Based on the thumbnail I am expecting the comments to go crazy😂
I’m waiting for the first guy to cry about “keeping politics out of star wars”
@@sierra5360 the funniest part of that line is "keep", as if it's outside of it at the start
@@darthnihilusthebestsith star wars has literally always been about Politics, now its just seemingly more in your face.
@@sierra5360 I wonder what George Lucas meant when he made a whole species bankers and businessman and gave them no noses and made a member of this species be apart of an ancient cult who trains a guy who eventually seized control of the banks and in turn all money flow, to achieve the centuries long dream of a new order and total world domination🤔
Oh damn. Alan dropping social issues early on a Friday.
I really appreciate how unbiased your content is. Instead of whining or overly praising the show, you will talk about the good, and the bad in a very neutral presentation.
Wow this was such a neat video concept. Excellent work man!! ✌️
I am old enough to remember the Waco incident. Bravo on the comparison Alan. Truth is always stranger than fiction.
Use of force doctrine is very important for the Jedi. Jedi are given highly effective militarized training from infancy. The Sith are dangerous but when the Jedi get their crap together even the Sith get wiped out. Indara wins a psychic battle against 50 witches and kills all their minds in 10 seconds.
Survivorship bias, though.
Aniseya was the Indara of the witches and we have no idea what that Force battle would look like. We basically saw a bunch of Padawans and Knights teaming up and getting taken down by a Master.
If there were 10,000 witches running around, then 50 of them together might have been more dangerous. But if there are only 50, then you have fewer powerful witches teaming up.
@@MrBazBake You're not wrong, there are powerful non-Jedi force users, but Jedi take average force users whose powers would naturally fade in their teens and turn them into powerhouses that can take on almost anything 1 vs many. Jedi Training is highly effective.
Even powerful Nightsisters fear the Jedi, Witches are artful with the force, Jedi access raw power, Angry Jedi can be brutal.
Wookie Jedi just enjoyed a very enthusiastic walk and asked his comrades if their health plans were apparently great.
TFS. Nice
Have to go watch that scene now thanks
Here is my take on the training subject. Force users have the potential to be waaaay more devastating than a gun. We are talking about the ability to not just cause wide destruction, they can do so covertly and unstoppable. An individual well versed in discipline could stop the heart of their target without anyone knowing. You can scan for weapons, but how do you scan for Force abilities?
Now lets go for the more OP feats, Darth Nihilus "ate" an entire planet, and Naga Sadow used the force to make a star go boom! Darth Sidious corrupted the minds of millions, he broke a Republic. So yeah taking young powerful living weapons away to a place where they can be properly trained and more importantly, monitored and controlled is essential for the survival of an entire galaxy.
You simply do not leave WMDs out for anyone to grab and use. Young minds are really easy to manipulate, its why little soldiers are so scary and effective, they do not know or understand why they they shouldn't.
Now the Jedi could have reacted in a much better way, and having more than 1 order that espouses similar ideals would be better, as long as the Witches weren't seeking to cause harm then they should have let them be. The Sith however only sought to dominate and enslave, so they had to go.
To be fair the Council did order their members on the scene to keep out of it. It was the task force's disobedience that led to tragedy and cover-up.
What really gets me is that a lot of people get mad that Star Wars is representing politics and kind of the original Star Wars was a representation of the Vietnam War
There's a big difference between "is" and "kind of"
the people complaining about politics and agenda dont even realise the prequels were filled with politics
nute gunray is a combination of newt gingrich and ronald regan who were republicans, the trade federation was written as a response to the 1994 republican revolution
anakin’s “if you’re not with me, you’re against me” is taken from george bush’s speech during the war with iraq “if you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists” which triggered alot of conservatives and bush supporters during the airing of rots
aotc literially had a whole election sideplot where palpatine runs for senator
imagine hearing lines like “this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause” and “im with the republic, with democracy” and think starwars is apolitical
that would really say alot about the people hating and their media literacy
@@chocolatebar6785 there's a difference between politics and agenda
I've been skipping Acolyte videos because the discourse is exhausting, but this was a great and welcome take. I was alive for Waco and you've presented a lot of details I never knew. A fresh look at Waco makes the episode even more compelling and is worthwhile in its own right.
@ andersonic hate to break it to you but he’s manipulating the episode to sound like Waco. I’d suggest watch Ep. 3/7 of the acolyte and do research on Waco because when you actually undo stand why sol climbed the mountain with Torbin and his convo. With the mothers and the events that took place then compare that to Waco you’ll be disappointed that he’s stretching events.
By the thumbnail I'm guessing this is about Waco, TX? [Branch Davidian]
Or Ruby Ridge...
@@peregry Waco makes more sense. Considering the Weavers were identified as members of the Aryan Nation and trying to form an antisemitic organization, Ruby Ridge was more like if a bunch of Sith were raising their kids to be Sith alone in the woods and meeting with other Sith on the weekends.
Still overreach but less confusion.
Me too I haven’t seen the video but I was certain that it was that
@@peregryNo, but he does talk about Ruby Tuesdays a lot! 🤣🤣🤣
But the witches arent either. Monther Aniseya is Jim Jones and Brendok is Guyana. After isolating her followers to get them to depend on her, Mother Jones led them all to their deaths when confronted.
You know even after what they did on brendok, I don’t see the Jedi as bad guys. They are just trying to do the right thing sure Sol is reckless and always jumping ahead but he’s trying to do the right thing. And for Torbin sure his whiny attitude about going home is a bit much and he did go to the coven recklessly but he’s a young kid.
i think its helpful to see people as individuals and not the organization they represent
Sol is also a murderer who had help covering it up and he should have gone to the council and told them the truth. Then again, the jedi should also be more open minded and should be able to handle being told the truth, help Sol along the path to redemption, and give Osha and others a fair chance that doesn't immediately disqualify you to be a jedi because how old they found you. And you know, be knowledgeable enough to recognize that emotions are not the problem, it's the lack of training to properly handle them that is the problem.
@@afunkymonke yeah he did kill Osha and Mae’s mother but would you do the same if she does that? I would have been confused.
I have interpreted it as very much like the prequels. For the masters and those it works for the jedi code is great. But the reality is you have a bunch of knights and padawans who obviously can't supress their emotions potentially causing havoc without strict oversight.
It was only a matter of time before a mega powerful padawan like anakin came along that the code didn't suit and blow it all up
I just love that this series is basically, "Actually, Qui-Gon was a dumbass and we really need to come to terms with that."
I remember when Waco TX went down but never connected the dots. Nice work.
Must be a long connection because the similarities are few lol what a cult and a fire? Because the purpose, the execution, the reasons why, and everything in between is far from Waco.
Hit the nail on the head with the Waco comparison.
Loving the use of Radiohead's Karma Police.
7:51 In situations with active shooters, having access to weapons more accurate than a pistol could mean the difference between life and death for a lot of people. Fire superiority is very important in such instances.
A bold idea for a pop culture commentary essay, and quite thoughtfully written and competently delivered.
Wow, just when I thought I couldn’t love your channel any more. I thought of Waco when I watched this episode, but I love how you thoughtfully articulated the connection. I also truly appreciate that despite all the negativity and toxicity surrounding this series, you look right past that and provide some very intelligent analyses. No Star Wars media is perfect (I grew up on the OT, and even those were not perfect), but despite whatever flaws there are, there is something brilliant in all of it, something that makes you think.
@ leshaygood6054 well when you really look into the comparisons they are not the same. Only similarity that you can stretch and it’s stretching it is calling the Jedi and what they did similar to the police at TX and that’s a big stretch LOL because they are operating under different circumstances not similar ones. Only realistic similarities is the mountain and cult home burned. But that’s typical Allen for you he loves making stuff up against the Jedi. I encourage anyone to rewatch the acolyte and understand why the events occurred and if you know what occurred in TX compare them step by step and you’ll see how different these are to each other. Allen gives some major differences but then manipulates it to be comparable to the Jedi actions. yet anyone who actually breaks Allen’s argument down will see the flaws shine through.
That's a really great analogy. This is why I keep watching and giving thumbs ups.
@skyblueo not a good analogy Allen is misrepresenting what actually occurred in the episode to this. His argument can be taken apart easily and I gave him a better analogy and all he had to say was watch the video. LOL. The guy can’t take criticism.
Exactly my thoughts, it's very obvious that they took inspiration at least one real life incident
7:42 yes, yes I do, it also helps notify the neighbors of a break in so that they may call the cops whilst I am otherwise occupied, afterall why else would I have an m2 browning at the top of the stairs loaded with APIT
Good to have conclusions like this about the episode rather than "Jedi bad". The number of videos like that is stupidly high.
Am I the only one who thinks Indara never contacted the council? Idk I just find it weird that every time Sol’s called the council in this series they show it but now with Indara they didn’t. 🤷🏽♂️
I think that's been known, right?
Thanks for introducing new perspectives Alan !!
Those who have power, must submit to a higher level of scrutiny and regulations
It’s funny how people forget this show is set from the villain’s perspective and thinks it’s Disney hating the Jedi. This episode shows that some Jedi make mistakes but not all are bad. The Jedi are genuinely good and some can let their fears drive them to make mistakes. We all remember what fear leads to. The show isn’t amazing but it’s been enjoyable and I like that we are getting away from the Skywalker storyline.
Yeah i actually think they thought out this show pretty well when watching the older episode the character motivations do make senses. The execution and som dialogue is funky but it’s not a step backwards
warm sunlight from the right contrasts so much with nighttime city in the back I can't focus lol
I was wondering what would have happened if the Jedi on the planet, instead of sneaking around, just calmly approach the witches, have a civil talk with the moms & you know, trust in the will of the force and all that and instead of losing their grip (like Sol did, in a very weird and uncomfortable way) just left them alone. The Jedi Council actually made the right decision and Sol & Torbin messed it all up.
No way around it. Sol and Torbin messed up. Had they not interfered...
I mean if mother anyisea was sleeping and Koril was on watch I imagine she would have fired a volley of arrows at them.
@rl-cx6kf If only this show actually made something that insightful but naw let’s make Jedi look bad and justify witches stupidity.
I can't believe I missed the Waco/Ruby Ridge vibes!!! This is why this channel is so great! You're awesome.
There is no comparison here. The Jedi did not plan and execute a "raid" on Brendok. A Jedi recon team naturally investigated on what they thought was an uninhabited planet. They expressed concern for the kids, REQUESTED permission to remove one of them that desired to leave and were attacked. Maybe the showrunners did have WACO in mind but this approach is completely hamfisted.
@CarlWheatley-wi2cl 😂 I finally found someone who’s gonna call Allen out like I did LOL. I mean literally how hard is it to watch the episode and go yeah this isn’t following Waco events. The only thing similar that I find is a cult a fire and “poor communication” the witches and Jedi clearly had good communication I mean face to face interaction is as clear as you can get only Koril jumped into action which escalated things
Was she really willing to give up Osha? Or is she trying to prevent a showdown with the Jedi? A showdown she might know they couldn't win.
Maybe, but she had a funny way to show it then.
I don't think she had time to come up with manipulative techniques. She had a lightsaber shoved in her lungs.
@@somersault1123 Yeah, kind of hard to do anything then. Unless you're The Grand Inquisitor, Sabine, or anyone else other than Qui-Gon and the Jedi from this show. 😏
But seriously, the way she was talking earlier and then seemingly doing some evil dark magic stuff to Mae really doesn't help her case.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Was it her lungs? She was looking mostly smoky or misty at this point, while sucking in Mae. Not even sure it killed her. Aniseya did somehow move to where the other witches were.
@@PatriciaShane-y7i Maybe smoke monsters have redundant organs. 😆😆
You just answered your own question with suppressing fire now I just picture Cyril from Archer SUPRESSING FIIIIRE!!!!!
Fun fact the Republic had the Bureau of Sig, Spice and Slavery. They had their own DEA.
Meanwhile, Sol just wanted to feel like a father.
I get your point but throughout this season the intentions of these characters change on a dime. My main confusion is that Mae literally witnessed the death of her mother by the saber of Sols. So then why didn’t she kill him when she had the chance when he was flying the ship in episode 6? And what does sol need to tell Mae? She practically witnessed everything
Poor over emotional Sol and Torbin. I'm sure Master Indara said me and the Wookie are too old for this shi* lol🤣🤣
Impressive analysis and analogy; and insightful -- great UNEXPECTED breakdown (again).
Love the historical commentary!
I love these explorations and comparison videos with real-world history.
big ups your take on this. I would be lying if i didnt say that I found the last episode disappointing but its refreshing hearing you add context to it.
Thank you as always Allen for looking deeper. I think you really just explained to me why Vernestra Ro acts like she does. She's not dumb, but she's missing the larger threat. She thinks the Jedi are necessary to the survival of the Republic and won't take any risks that could impede their ability to take independent decisive action.
I would say that she’s probably just been around too much. I think her experiences have traumatized her. But maybe not we’ll see.
Used to work as a materials handler at UPS. If it breaks open and is illegal it gets reported federally because UPS shipments cross state lines. So even if you shipment is inner state, it still is always reported federally. So even if weed is legal in your state, shipping it it via UPS means it’ll get reported if it breaks open. Also hard alcohol is a flammable liquid, shipping it un-marked is a a civil offense and expensive.
I LOL'd hard at "... But Zabraks have a problem"
Great video. I watched Waco as it happened. It should not have happened. Great parallels in this video. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers for any subject.
Great stuff Allan, especially appreciate the nod to Scandinavian police education and training, as someone who lives in Denmark.
I like the way you try to take an optimistic approach to things.
In this case it's straw clutching but, I like it. 😊
One of the most thoughtful takes on the Acolyte I’ve seen. Well done.
@B.matrix Wasn’t that thoughtful Allen is manipulating the events to sound similar to Waco his arguments are flawed and pushed by his bias against institutions like the Jedi. So no surprise he forces Jedi to be “police” in this instance
Now let’s imagine that, rather than in Waco, the ATF raided some random Mexican village and, rather than the ATF it was a band of government aligned science monks and we have ourselves a perfect analogy 😂
Seriously love the thoughtfulness and care you put into every video. Best videos about The Acolyte around. Your videos thoughtful videos provide great connections and insight. Keep it up!
@ThomasO2 clearly Allen doesn’t put enough thought into it because if you rewatch the episode and realize why Sol climbed the mountain with Torbin and why Torbin left, and Sols. Convo with the mothers, and if you actually know about Wico TX then you’ll realize Allen is misrepresenting what actually occurred in the Acolyte and is trying to paint Jedi as bad. Did you notice he only criticized Mother Koril and the Jedi but never says anything bad about Mother Anesiya of how she mistreated her daughters or how she never cared about oshas wish about not being a witch or how about the stupid argument of her calling the Jedi ignorant of their surroundings when literally she tells her witches they escaped being hunted to this planet which conveniently was inhabited because of a disaster? Which was recorded clearly because Master Trinity talks about it LOL. Seems like he’s being biased in his criticism and to pull this number of comparing Jedi to police is just ridiculous because he’s manipulating what occurred in the episode to a poorly conducted event in history
@@calebwindham3698 I wouldn’t give him that hard a time. I believe I have a fair understanding of what occurred in Waco and I thought it was silly to extend the analogy. That being said, as he always is in every video, Allen was flexing his empathy muscles. That’s not a bad thing. To me, it’s nice to hear a creator treat the side he deems in the “wrong” as fellow humans, no different from you and I.
The Jedi *were* bad because they were hasty not bad because they were immoral. At least that seems to be the intent from the writers and I think Allen nails it. To say that Anesiya was inconsiderate of Osha is entirely misrepresented. It’s a conflict for her but she makes the right decision because her plans for her children revolve around love. Koril’s choices, on the other hand, are fear-based. Both mothers make mistakes but for different reasons. Love often drives selfishness. When we love someone, we want them to like what we like and value what we value. And that definitely does make Anesiya make some poor decisions.
I don’t think Allen’s problem was that he misunderstood anything. He just extended an analogy beyond its limits.
@@ThomasO2 I don't think what I said is giving Allen a "hard time" That's simple criticism and you can boil it down to quit with the exaggeration of events for a silly slap-together analogy.
I understand what you are saying Anesiya isn't perfect that's clear, but for Allen to criticize Koril and the Jedi yet praise or treat Anesiya like a good person is just wrong she shares more blame as the witch leader and as a jerk to Koril as Koril is the true mother of the twins and Anesiya treats her like she's incompetent, makes her look bad in front of her own children, plays the "good" parent for the twins, and Anesiya clearly cares nothing about her coven as she can't keep them in line and allows people to incite violence. Allen is like oh yes she's like Padme and Leia and the other women.
No, She's a bad role model sucks to say it but Anesiya deserves just as much if not more blame for the Witches' demise. And you see where this "analogy" is going. He's not treating the side he deems wrong like humans he's nitpicking to shove his bias of Jedi into his video. He can't argue against Koril she's written that way, but he is leaving out Anesiya's lack of responsibility, her poor actions, and her own mistakes to. Then says the Jedi are Police in Waco. Ok this isn't treating the Jedi like humans like you and I it's the blame game of shifting blame onto people because of his bias. If he wanted to treat the Jedi like humans as you and I like you said, Allen would have criticized them fairly for their mistakes and not made his ignorant analogy that the Jedi are just as incompetent like the FBI in Waco.
And I do think Allen still misunderstood the Acolyte Ep. I don't think he would make this video if he didn't actually believe his claims. Allen only extends his stuff when he makes stuff up to be funny really and that within itself is poor comedy. Torbin's name to Torbine or Torbin's "love interest" all extending made up stuff or unimportant stuff to seem "light-hearted fun" for his viewers.
This is such an interesting view, I did NOT make this connection. Thanks for taking us through this comparison.
Comparing the Jedi to Janet Reno's DOJ subsidiaries like the ATF is a bit of an insult to the Jedi. Even the HR era Jedi. I refer to them as HR era because it kills two birds with one stone as both an acronym and evoking images of a contemporary HR department.
During my first ep3 viewing it was screaming Waco
One of your best videos in a while,
Well done video! I loved the editing. The similarities to the Waco Siege are scary.
What similarities? A cult and a fire? The police and Jedi aren’t acting similar and the events that lead up to it aren’t similar how it occurred aren’t similar so please help what similarities because they are very different
This channel deserves more views. As a Scandinavian (in all humblety), I'm impressed that you mentioned our police. They're not perfect by any means, but I'm definitely glad they take higher education for at least 3 years in order to become police officers. I also agree completely about Headland's take on the Jedi and Sith and how she challenges and complicates our view of them.
Well-thought-out video. I didn't make the Waco connections but I was definitely thinking about some notable cases of law enforcement's disproportionate response to small crimes in specific neighborhoods
Interesting comparison but the major difference is that the ATF had 1993 Law Enforcement technology which you'd be surprised at how poor it was. Additionally, law enforcement practices were archaic compared to today. However, the situation is similar.
Also the fact that the Branch Davidian’s were tipped off about the raid by a postman who was asked for directions by a reporter. The Brach Davidian’s were heavily armed and barricaded inside the compound. The original ATF goal was to prevent this by using overwhelming force and surprise. As soon as the surprise was gone, overwhelming force became a shoot out that cost the lives of multiple ATF agents. If surprise had been maintained it would have most likely would have been successful. The tactic is still used by modern SWAT teams. The ATF basically walked into a trap
by law enforcement technology you mean glue on mustaches right😆
@@GenerationTech exactly!! Unfortunately, whether it is industry, business, emergency services, criminal justice, or law, nothing changes if we don't have tragedy and failure.
I learned this through 25 years in Law Enforcement and 23 years Active/Reserve Military.
As a Srar Wars fan, the similarities between the Aolyte's portrayal of the Jedi and the perception and portrayal of today's law enforcement is almost identical.
Dude, this was the most insightful, thoughtful review of this show that I have seen. While everyone else is simply going on about how much they hate the show…you’re actually analyzing it. Also, I’m glad to know I wasn’t the only one who instantly saw the Waco parallel! Good on you for bringing it up…
Not insightful he’s manipulated the episode events to sound similar to Waco and painting the Jedi as “police” in this event the only similarity between these two are a cult and a fire everything else is being forced but I’d like to know what you connected perhaps you could explain it better then Allen
@@calebwindham3698 Well, if you’re old enough to have watched the Waco situation play out on TV, as it was unfolding, you definitely see (and feel) the similarities. The all-consuming fire that started. The sense of authority butting into what was essentially a cult, and a catastrophe resulting. The witches basically committing suicide in an attempt to defend themselves. Those were the main similarities I saw that took me right back to the Waco situation. Chilling…
Those are pretty obvious connections…so he’s not necessarily a genius for making them. But I enjoyed his review because he went out of his way to analyze the show from a perspective I’ve not seen done. I like different.
@@tgriffin5000 Fair enough for liking a different perspective to reacting to the Acolyte but how he goes about it isn't the best way. Like you said witches committing suicide to defend themselves and a fire is about the only connection there is. Everything else is not being misrepresented which I don't appreciate just because he wants dis on Jedi. If criticizing the Jedi is what anyone wants to do. Do it correctly and not misrepresent The Acolyte and make false "equivalent" connections to a historical event. Just because you want to talk bad about Jedi.
@@calebwindham3698 I hear ya. I think what’s cool is that everybody takes something different from these reviews…and then filters them thru their own perceptions, as well. Great conversation!
@@tgriffin5000 Nothing against people taking different perceptions, but I think there should be a line where you draw a connection and one where you go too far just for a video.
The episode is a great demonstration that we need to police ourselves before relying on police enforcement. Because if we fail to self restrain ourselves there's not enough police in the department to restrain everyone.
Nobody within this community comes even remotely close to this level of analysis.
Really though Allen literally makes stuff up and misrepresented events in the episode to manipulate it to be similar to Waco TX how’s that analysis? If anything it’s a low level analysis or surface level.
I love the connections made between concepts in the recent writing of the show and their reflection in our own culture and history in this episode in particular. The best of episodes do this but this one with the comparison of ATF and FBIs handling of Waco to the jedis motives towards the witches training children in the force being viewed by them as possibly dangerous cult in wake of recent incidents that shocked the world (mass cool aid …) is soo good.
Yeah that’s not at all what the Jedi thought or their intentions lol. If they were scared of these witches nightsisters should have been extinct then LOL. Rewatch the acolyte you’ll see why it went down and as far as Waco goes that’s a stretch to compare it’s events and the police to Jedi
"When you try to assassinate someone, which you should not do..." I was expecting the next line to be "because... Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."
My question is who would lead the prosecution in Mae's trial would it be a Jedi or a Republic prosecutor and would she even be provided a defense counsel and who would defend her?
Depends on the politics at the time. During the Republic Era, citizens are tried by the Republic. Sol would be tried by the Jedi.
Good question
Based on clone wars series, I believe it will be a mix of senate member and jedi council since the case involves force users
@@jamescharly6102Makes sense and I suspect the Republic Judicial Forces would be involved as well.
I remember it was originally Tarkin
This is a decent parallel. The level of hysteria of law enforcement, mirrored by the potential level of threat posed by the Branch Davidians to their own children and to the public was not insignificant.
12:00 Amen, @GenerationTech! You’re basically quoting Senator Rancourt.
This was actually a really really good comparison. The only issue was they didn’t focus enough on the invasion of compound of witches so this episode went over alot of people’s heads including mines.
Radiohead and Waco siege woven into a Acolyte review. Now that is different.
I remember the whole thing being super terrible. One thing I read was that the ATF was suggested to be disbanded, but nobody wanted the agents. Another was that they made up all the crazy stuff cause he had fully automatic weapons, and were just pissed
Episode 7 was an homage to the Starsky & Hutch TV series. Huggy Bear would be proud!
Didn't expect to hear about Waco Texas and some of its parallels
I like this, fun to watch and a interesting comparison!
Great discussion. I’m from Texas, and I remember the Waco tragedy. The comparison is appropriate. All these faulty assumptions and lack of communication led to both tragic outcomes.
I never thought the day would come where somebody compared Star Wars to Waco siege
You nailed it, I was thinking of Waco after episode 3.
Mate! You encapsulated the point of this show - at least the very obvious one - when you said, "The Jedi make mistakes. They are human. They are not gods."
From the start of this show, a range of questions centered on the role of the jedi in the galaxy have sat in my mind.
What does the Jedi do with force-sensitives who were not trained by them?
Do they get permission from the parents before taking on younglings?
Is the mere use of the Dark Side a crime?
I'll keep repeating it because, faults and all, I feel this show has been unfairlt recieved by so many.
It should be commended for the risks it took in telling a different story... I actually dislike that Qimir says he can be referred to as a Sith.
@DarthJarJar10 but the show isn’t asking questions it’s trying to paint the Jedi as evil and bad not making mistakes. Plus we know they aren’t perfect look at Ep. 1-3 with Anakin George literally shows the flaw of the Jedi in his movie. And yes we don’t know what parents say about Jedi requests to have their children but what we do know is that it is an acceptable practice watch CW when Bane is steeling kids parents are told their child can be Jedi and they will be back when the child is of age. And yes it’s a sad thing according to us but remember a Jedi life and role is probably looked as a better life than a civilian and parents probably want the best for their child and send them off for a “better” life serving the Republic and protecting the galaxy.
But no let’s act like this show is good for making good guys bad and bad guys good
@@calebwindham3698, I'll try to listen more carefully to the other points you've made but this show is not trying to "paint the jedi as bad". If that's what you've taken away from it at this stage where episode 8 is outstanding, that's on you.
The reason I say this is ultimately the only "bad" thing that was done on Brendok was when Torbin pulled his Leeroy Jenkins act and Sol followed him along on it. If the team just listened to Indara when she was aptly being cautious or approached the Council sooner, they would not have interfered and there would have been no tragedy. Even the Council's feedback aligns with a "live and let be" attitude that shows they understood it wasn't fair to disturb the coven... How is that evil?
And honestly... It's one thing if the show were "painting the Jedi as evil" (it's really not) but what it is doing (just like the prequels and the Clone Wars), is painting them as fallible.
This seems to be the unholy sin which so many cannot get over and yet, even in the original trilogy and prequel trilogy, the most canon of material out there, the Jedi are fallible.
@@DarthJarJar10 It's not what I've taken away from it it's what collectively everyone is reporting it as. If this was to show the Jedi as fallible we already know this because George already expanded on this like you and I have said. But now we are to say Jedi are wrong for wanting Osha and Mae? It's literally what they do, and what events occurred on Brendock isn't oh shame on the Jedi the Witches are just as much to blame if not more. Koril already established how the twins were made would cause trouble with the jedi, and do they try to explain anything, Nope they act like jerks and are surprised when Jedi show up asking questions.
And this isn't the sin that's really what people are getting upset about pretty sure it's so mirrored to Anakin and how it presented that people are tired of a copy-and-paste move on Disney part. just like Ep.7/8.
You're forgetting Ruby Ridge, It was the other event that escalated things in the 1990s. Those 2 events undermined the ATF reputation and of course lead to blowback(Oklahoma bombing). Since then the ATF has improved their tactics but still held to some questionable ones like what happened with Bryan Malinowski(deciding to do serve a search warrant at 6am and only giving 30 seconds before ramming the door) & Russell Fincher (going after small FFL dealers for clerical errors that's been already corrected, not sorting out logical inconsistency between laws like saying selling ammo to prohibited person at a show is a crime when there is no law requiring a background checks on ammo, sending a SWAT team when the FFL holder has already agreed to an appointment & inspection & finally there is the issue of holding out in the federal court vs taking a plea deal) amongst other things. The ATF is in a similar position as local police, understaffed & expected to deliver miracles by politicians when even the politicians haven't sorted out how new laws will change policy. For those wondering why American police can't be more like what Europe has need to remember America has more gun violence to deal with so police tend to be jumpier, on top of being underpaid, understaffed, overworked, stressed & demoralized. It's easy to criticize but good policy & reform requires understanding & patience to work out the kinks & when your job is subject to the whims of politics then you can guess what happens next.
Not to mention that you're dealing with a population that’s more violent and is more likely to be dealing with mental issues than what we see in Europe.
Maybe the Jedi should have recruited some Vulcan trainers?
Vulcans are Jedi, Romulans are Sith confirmed... 😮
Edit: and they all join together on a single planet and live in harmony once they set aside their differences.
If Vulcans existed in/made it to the Star Wars galaxy, they would unironically make some of the best Jedi, in my opinion. Already well-accustomed to a rigid, ritualistic way of life free from emotion, and also already capable of low-level space magic with their mind melds and the like. Surak's teachings combined with the Jedi Code would honestly make the latter way more viable.
At the same time, if one did ever fall to the dark side, they'd probably make insanely powerful Sith considering how strong Vulcans' natural aggressive tendencies are if they lose/relinquish control of their emotions.
Short notes on the Waco stuff
1, the hand gernades were dummies, meant for larping and stuff;
2, the branch guys were fully licensed for machine guns and for sale of firearms, the siege was just in case they hadn’t registered some of them, despite that they always had
3, david k would play in a local band at the bar once or twice a week
4, the lab was from a previous owner of the property, or possibly not even the owner, just someone who set one up on the land
Dunno if someone else put this down here, haven’t read the comments yet
The thumbnail. I already knew where the video would go