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China vs. Germany? Why The Future of The German Auto Industry Will Be Decided in China

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  • The future of the German auto industry will be decided in China. Win-win or meltdown for German manufacturers - who will win the global duel for dominance in the multi-billion "mobility" business?
    Has Germany fallen asleep at the wheel in China?
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ความคิดเห็น • 649

  • @silasyuen2996
    @silasyuen2996 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    German cars are not fighting against Chinese cars, they’re fighting against EVs, including Tesla. And the fight is not in German manufacturer‘s favor.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      They even lose to Tesla in their home country.

    • @SR-pr2xz
      @SR-pr2xz ปีที่แล้ว +5

      EVs are a red herring. They only shift the hydrocarbon problem, to an environmental problem you don't see as readily. But they still rely on finite resources and create a far bigger environmental problem not to mention running cost e.g. replacing batteries every 5-8yrs. Hydrogen while maybe inefficient to produce now at least had the door open for further technological advancement with an infinite resource

    • @harlentu64
      @harlentu64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexlo7708 Tesla No.1

    • @cowubl
      @cowubl ปีที่แล้ว +2

      German Era is over for ever

    • @Walawala459
      @Walawala459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The press media usually bark up the wrong tree.

  • @obsidianstatue
    @obsidianstatue ปีที่แล้ว +560

    Don't blame China for German carmakers' slow transition to electric vehicles

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      When DW posts vids about China, you know the content already 🤣🤣🤣

    • @calc1657
      @calc1657 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The piece didn't blame China. The piece questioned the strategy of German industry and government.

    • @curiosi-tea-96
      @curiosi-tea-96 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Agreed. But there's more to it. German manufacturers have lost their way entirely. There was a time they built solid machines, but now I can only see them concentrating on adding technology for the sake of technology, which really just makes things worse - climate controls on a touchscreen being a common example of the same.

    • @Gladiatorking7
      @Gladiatorking7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a German state media.. expect NATO propaganda only.

    • @allenlau3923
      @allenlau3923 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lucisleesion8824 This video is all about China

  • @tobyli52
    @tobyli52 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    DW is so shallow. This is why Germany is falling behind

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      It is actually German's BBC. They are under Anglo manage.

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alexlo7708 Anglo? What does it mean?

    • @rabbitazteca23
      @rabbitazteca23 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@lucisleesion8824 anglo meaning under US, UK, and AUS

    • @calc1657
      @calc1657 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @tobyli52 What was your issue with the piece?

    • @oceanwave4502
      @oceanwave4502 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      With price-cutting strategies of the EV producers right now, from Tesla, to Chinese ones, German cars producers are put at disadvantage. They simply can't produce cars cost-efficiently in Europe due to losing cheap energy source (you-know-from-whom).

  • @aburetik4866
    @aburetik4866 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I sold my Porsche and get a BYD U8.

    • @user-ci5vz8yv6u
      @user-ci5vz8yv6u ปีที่แล้ว +12

      me too

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Is that U8 currently on sale?

    • @johnsmith-cw3wo
      @johnsmith-cw3wo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lucisleesion8824 NO

    • @akltom
      @akltom ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@lucisleesion8824yes,pre-order

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@akltom I'll never pre-order any items, from video games to cars😅

  • @passby8070
    @passby8070 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    This story made it sounds like without the Germans, China will still be in the stone age. The reality is that China will forge a path forward even if Germany was not there in the first place. Given long enough peace, China will prosper and thrive like so many times in history, this time is no different.

    • @noblephantasmx
      @noblephantasmx ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, but this is absolutly not true. China has always been, and always will be, an opportunistic country. The Chinese economy is only so strong because they stole Western technologies and completely dominate the market with their strict access regulations. Without the West, China would not be where they are now. This has been an ongoing process for decades and not just since yesterday.

    • @andreig475
      @andreig475 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Why china started Only 30 yeras ago?

    • @tpndtbk
      @tpndtbk ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@andreig475any nation has up and down period. Look at China 500 years ago

    • @togifashion8737
      @togifashion8737 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andreig475 Because the west gangsters robbered a lot of wealth from China in the past 200 years. You can find the same problem from Afraca, Latin America, India, Mideast, and Southeast asia. But China is lucky, they are too brave and diligent....

    • @markosmataasii2000
      @markosmataasii2000 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@tpndtbk Not just 500 years but more than 2000 years ago. Written history itself shows CHINA was always a powerful and leading nation. Since its first unified as one nation way back 221 BC it has become the birthplace of eastern civilization and center of trade.

  • @havencat9337
    @havencat9337 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    WHY demonise them? EV + solar = planet saved!!! their GOV was smart to support the future tech and this should be celebrated. I really despise seeing subjective reporting from DW!

    • @havencat9337
      @havencat9337 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Also i have seen that DW has increasingly subjective and anti-China reporting. This world needs peace

    • @calc1657
      @calc1657 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      China wasn't demonized. DW had simply highlighted issues German industry was facing.

    • @joem0088
      @joem0088 ปีที่แล้ว

      DW is gocernment funded. You tell me the rest.

    • @gabrielamponsah2612
      @gabrielamponsah2612 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I struggled to understand this hatred towards China... The world was okay when German cars were dominating the Chinese market but it is now a problem when China is now leading

    • @calc1657
      @calc1657 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gabrielamponsah2612 The hatred is in your imagination. You didn't understand the video.

  • @aannddrroommaann
    @aannddrroommaann ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Such a hawkish documentary. Showing so much army and cannons as though there is an active war going on.

  • @willengel2458
    @willengel2458 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    DW REV totally ignored what makes German products competitive in the world market. Aside from quality of products, it's cheap Russian energy. the destructions of NS1 & NS2 and the Inflation Act changed all that. German funds and manufacturing headed to US and China to survive.
    German products manufactured in Germany with high priced LNG won't be competitive anytime soon.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes , and its household appliance such Bosch electric tools are losing to many US and Japanese brands such Makita , Milwaukee , DeWalt, etc.

    • @randeepsingh9147
      @randeepsingh9147 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very intelligent person

    • @lvjinbin28
      @lvjinbin28 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Germany knows but they have to ignore, or what you expect? investigate USA?

    • @AB-fi5jt
      @AB-fi5jt ปีที่แล้ว

      DW along with many Germany now days think “democracy” will solve all problems

    • @questionmore4675
      @questionmore4675 ปีที่แล้ว

      The reports ignore all that , they're now blaming china not been democracy, money business don't care if you're a democracy or not, money is a universal language the businesses understand.

  • @arunanarina1316
    @arunanarina1316 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Go China🇨🇳💪
    From your Brother, Indonesia🇮🇩

    • @user-ci5vz8yv6u
      @user-ci5vz8yv6u ปีที่แล้ว +7

      thank you

    • @user-hb9jq7wb7l
      @user-hb9jq7wb7l ปีที่แล้ว +6

      👌🏻好的,我的印度尼西亚朋友!

    • @subasthapa8323
      @subasthapa8323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks brother 👍

    • @alinux09
      @alinux09 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is the Asian century! All Asian nations will be successful

    • @ScoobieDoo-zy1rh
      @ScoobieDoo-zy1rh ปีที่แล้ว

      China will win this out because they control the battery production.

  • @MGZetta
    @MGZetta ปีที่แล้ว +113

    I think one of the reasons German car manufacturers fleeing to China is the lack of cheap energy from NS1 and NS2. Tbh, It surprised me how ready Germany is to fall.

    • @allenlau3923
      @allenlau3923 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      German even don't care about who did it.

    • @jianyang6281
      @jianyang6281 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@allenlau3923 what else they can do if they found it was their master did it. Now they find out it was Ukraine did it....but no one buy the story.

    • @walhdamaskus2408
      @walhdamaskus2408 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@allenlau3923, they are not didnt care who blew the pipeline. They just afraid to much to care, because they knew who did it.

    • @user-lj8kg4jd1l
      @user-lj8kg4jd1l ปีที่แล้ว

      Scholz is the warmonger

    • @kkhalifah1019
      @kkhalifah1019 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Annalena Baerbock: "LET MY PEOPLE FREEZE, I DON'T CARE!!!"
      Let them have it.

  • @Andrea70swb
    @Andrea70swb ปีที่แล้ว +103

    German auto makers are already doomed. And they know it…

    • @bobcharles7716
      @bobcharles7716 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      German [or any] auto makers are doomed the moment they did not embraced EV OR have something that leapfrogs EV!

    • @SeattleFSD
      @SeattleFSD ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed!

    • @Andrea70swb
      @Andrea70swb ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bobcharles7716 they choosed EV only because China choosed this technology. In Europe we did not need EV. But German company made money with Chinese market… they shoot to their own foot.

    • @bobcharles7716
      @bobcharles7716 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Andrea70swb Maybe America don't need EV, but you are fooling your self if you say Europe don't need EV. Europe is not exactly oil rich.

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว

      They know it, then they come up with propaganda to defame China.

  • @user-st3im5ge7f
    @user-st3im5ge7f ปีที่แล้ว +65

    How about Tesla in China. Tesla is biggest competitor with Germany car companies in China.

    • @SeattleFSD
      @SeattleFSD ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Insane!! 🤯 Just after Elon's reception in China! China ❤ Tesla!!!

    • @user-st3im5ge7f
      @user-st3im5ge7f ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SeattleFSD
      If USA treating China as biggest enemy , China is USA’s biggest enemy .
      Elon ,Cook ….USA’s business men are China’s best friends,so they all are enemies against USA government‘s China policy.

    • @carinatao9974
      @carinatao9974 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tesla price in China has decreased a lot, which is not regarded as a premium car anymore, and it’s dethroned by BYD.
      Btw Tesla buy battery from BYD for its fanciest model.
      It was a smart and bold decision that China gov brought Tesla in 2019 to build gigafactory in Shanghai, which extremely pushed local Chinese EV brands to work&innovate harder to compete.

  • @gunsroses1293
    @gunsroses1293 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    The Germans always mistakenly think that it is the Chinese and they learned the car manufacturing technology. This is German narcissism. In fact, China's own development of automobiles began in 1950. In 1958, China began to produce its own brand of "Hongqi" cars.

    • @user-hb9jq7wb7l
      @user-hb9jq7wb7l ปีที่แล้ว +1

      这是不对的,

    • @tooltalk
      @tooltalk ปีที่แล้ว +4

      >> In fact, China's own development of automobiles began in 1950

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว

      I heard that story, 1950's hongqi, but I also heard they are just the old Buicks bought from GM.

    • @DR.Don1899
      @DR.Don1899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As a native of China, I want to correct you. China's automobile industry has learned a lot from Germany. In 2015, my first car was Volkswagen Magotan. It has been eight years.There is no problem.but it will eventually be eliminated like Nokia's mobile phone. The future belongs to new energy vehicles, just like smart phones replace old-fashioned mobile phones. China is far ahead in new energy vehicles, so my next car should be a China car.

    • @user-gn8nf7fv1t
      @user-gn8nf7fv1t ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DR.Don1899我也是上一辆日产,上个星期我已经定了零跑C11了..真不是一个时代的东西!

  • @nanxingluo4902
    @nanxingluo4902 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Germany fears its automotive sector will suffer the same fate of its once booming solar sector and rightfully so.

    • @jasonmugridge
      @jasonmugridge ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Germany should of watched what happen to the once great British car industry.

  • @kapamilyatalks5420
    @kapamilyatalks5420 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The fall of Western Autoimakers.. Here in Manila we are excited and more admired of those Chinese EV made vehicles like BYD

  • @rodrigomohr1277
    @rodrigomohr1277 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    China is far ahead of Germany!

    • @takuan650
      @takuan650 ปีที่แล้ว

      China is already in free fall!! Down the cliff.

    • @ManAssome
      @ManAssome ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In terms of what, you have to be specific. And they will still catch up and surpass them even in that field too eventually 😂

    • @rodrigomohr1277
      @rodrigomohr1277 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ManAssome EV production, spare parts manufacturing, battery manufacturing. China has far lower energy costs, which makes them way more competitive than Germany. I know since I am a German living in Europe!

    • @ManAssome
      @ManAssome ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rodrigomohr1277 oh sorry I read it wrong..

    • @rodrigomohr1277
      @rodrigomohr1277 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DjSokYchannel That might have been the case in the past, but not anymore!

  • @songnianzhang366
    @songnianzhang366 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Dw never drop its arrogance and sense of superior ,as always!

    • @nehcooahnait7827
      @nehcooahnait7827 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Condescending is the word you are looking for

    • @captives6479
      @captives6479 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@nehcooahnait7827 It's Anglo arrogance and their sense of superiority.

    • @yashpatel261
      @yashpatel261 ปีที่แล้ว

      White people are going to get humbled in this decade

    • @DR.Don1899
      @DR.Don1899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      气急败坏and无能狂怒。你得理解,你得享受盎格鲁撒克逊人的这种情绪。未来会越来越多。🤭🤭🤭

  • @johnpersie9328
    @johnpersie9328 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    what is Tawian have to do with your automotive supremacy?...why can't DW just do topic without mentioning china treat,Tawian invasion?

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei ปีที่แล้ว +2

      DW thinks Taiwan is Ukraine, but actually Taiwan is Crimea...

  • @VshapeDino
    @VshapeDino ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The topic is on cars and the first thing they show is military. The G7 are masters of economic coercions themselves.

    • @xucg
      @xucg ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It was the daily flag-raising ceremony in China, as well as the ceremony held to welcome foreign heads of state. In DW's view it was a sign of dictatorship.

    • @user-kb1dw9kg9j
      @user-kb1dw9kg9j ปีที่แล้ว +5

      its literally in every video about china, doesnt matter which topic it is.

  • @suheybabdi2070
    @suheybabdi2070 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    What a dump take at the end. Any investment in any country for a critical sector you are dealing with that country's government rules and regulations whether you like it or not. Also, why would any country not use their economy to get up in the chain of production and self-reliance.

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei ปีที่แล้ว

      furthermore this is written in WTO rules, if developing countries are not allowed to develop their industry, no one will join the WTO. this is why you always see US threatening to leave and not China. because US knows its in the WTO rules. and now they are pretending that the rules they setup are "unfair", what a joke.

  • @izumi6704
    @izumi6704 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Growing up, my family had multiple cars from the VW group including VW, Skoda, and Audi. But since my mom had an Accord, the only car we buy now is Japanese.

    • @mnldgbD
      @mnldgbD ปีที่แล้ว

      Japanese are exactly like the Germans, lagging behind in their past success.

    • @davidk.d.7591
      @davidk.d.7591 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@Yee Tian Not for EVs. The Japanese are very late to the Ev market and are losing even more market share than the Germans in China. They're actually in more danger than VW and the others. Koreans are trying tho

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      But honestly, the Japanese do not even have a car like VW ID series.

    • @way03tak
      @way03tak ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Yee Tian EV sales in Europe overtake fuel cars for first time - 05/06/2023

    • @christianli1578
      @christianli1578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Yee Tian but in China ev market would surpass feul car this year

  • @richardlee3971
    @richardlee3971 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    in previous years, german car companies earn tens of billions dollars every year in china, German media said that these companies are too dependent on chinese market, if i can get so much money from others, i would be glad to be dependent on these persons, today, German car OEMs face great challenges due to your own slow movement and now you can it threat, so either way, China is bad per your narrative, interesting...

  • @Quancept
    @Quancept ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Any Indian watching this, our competition should be with China, not Pakistan. The Chinese have improved leaps and bounds in almost everything even though we both started our journey together as dirt poor nations. We should observe and learn from them. Anyway congrats to the Chinese, you guys deserve this success.

    • @nehcooahnait7827
      @nehcooahnait7827 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes india’s one-sided competition and obessesion with China that China doesn’t even notice.

    • @driver5347
      @driver5347 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nice bro. India and China should work together against the US

    • @user-kb1dw9kg9j
      @user-kb1dw9kg9j ปีที่แล้ว +9

      india should continue competing with pakistan, china is way above india's league. India and China are not compareable

    • @DR.Don1899
      @DR.Don1899 ปีที่แล้ว

      China, a friend of India, is totally dismissive of competing with India. There are too many problems in your country, and you don't have any strength to compete with China.

    • @huancheng2099
      @huancheng2099 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      和中国竞争,印度配吗😂

  • @markosmataasii2000
    @markosmataasii2000 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Where would German Companies go? India? lol. Indians can even barely fund basic Infrastructures and average purchasing power of Indian is still very minuscule compared to CHINA. Besides, India has its own domestic car companies and they prefer those cheap affordable cars. Southeast asia, same case with India and not that huge market actually vs CHINA. Africa and Latin America? They prefer affordable cars. The future of german companies is very dark. And this goes to blame their govt for blinding the side eye and still following US hegemony despite the fact that US is constantly trying to de industrialize Europe itself. LOL...

    • @davidmoss2576
      @davidmoss2576 ปีที่แล้ว

      This comment deserves more Likes!

    • @erenyaeger9407
      @erenyaeger9407 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You seem to live in age old delusional world

    • @cyborg029.
      @cyborg029. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol Tesla setting up plants in India, Musk to visit in APRIL keep living in delulu.

  • @zhurongonmars6256
    @zhurongonmars6256 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    German automobile sector will now use DW to say that German is no.1🤣

  • @user-dc9ew8qv4j
    @user-dc9ew8qv4j ปีที่แล้ว +23

    China is 1.4 billion ppl, I belive it is still in the beginning if China gets a bit bigger it will be as big as Jpana S Korea and USA and Germany and France and Britain and Canada and Australia and Netherlands and Italy combined, I achtuly think China is very underrated and it has a bright future just like elon musk said China will be at least 2 times economically bigger than USA or 3 times at most, so let them invest more in Scince and let the competition be more fierce they are very strong and we should challenge them even more.

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei ปีที่แล้ว

      BRICS is already bigger by GDP than the G7... the G7 really can't change the trajectory of the world anymore, it isn't just "China rising"... the entire world has changed...

  • @Mao11622
    @Mao11622 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's so odd every piece DW makes about China has to include its military parade.

  • @user-tn7nq9vk8p
    @user-tn7nq9vk8p ปีที่แล้ว +14

    لماذا دوماً القناة تحاول شيطنة الصين لم تعد هذة القناة محايدة

    • @doffy2192
      @doffy2192 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

    • @loooongtimeago
      @loooongtimeago 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They never had been neutral , it was the Germans who mastered propaganda 80 years ago after all.

  • @michaelloong964
    @michaelloong964 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Progress comes from competition just like in sports competition, the winner can be from any country. All the sports participants learn from one and other. Europeans learnt from China in early centuries about metal casting, printing and navigation and paper making. Now China can run faster than Germany , then Germany has to learn from China to compete. Germany cannot afford to stay still not to innovate and improve.

  • @directxxxx71
    @directxxxx71 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Tesla even beats German in their home turf 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Intudesia8792
    @Intudesia8792 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Watching DW is like listening to any American news outlet who emphasise mainly one risks and threats without acknowledge their own shortcoming. Just like other countries, Chinese work very hard to improve life and strive to success. If China does things better these is because they have invested and learned a lot from others.

    • @VostockR
      @VostockR 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dw is manipulation, they want you hate china.

  • @nicholasl5247
    @nicholasl5247 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Unbelievable biases and Hypocrisy ; BYD Have struggled in the market More then 20 years ; Nowadays they take the lead by constantly investing and spend more then 20 years in R&D ,and
    They dare to take the risk to bet on EVS . and finally it paid off .
    Currently The war ignite right now , Competition is good for customers . We hope all company embrace for Competition .

  • @user-pp8jb5ko9m
    @user-pp8jb5ko9m ปีที่แล้ว +5

    German auto companies have increased their investment in China and have in-depth cooperation with Chinese auto-related companies. Now the biggest decline in sales in China is Japanese cars, not German cars.

  • @mochen9282
    @mochen9282 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I thought that Germany lost that battle to Japan long time ago.

    • @bobcharles7716
      @bobcharles7716 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not in China because the Chinese have a thing about the Japanese something to do with killing 30 million people in China and still don't acknowledge it to this day.

    • @lozkko
      @lozkko ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Have you seen net profit margins of BMW and Mercedes compared to Japanese carmakers? You must be joking

    • @johnsmith-cw3wo
      @johnsmith-cw3wo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lozkko Tofaş Türk Otomobil Fabrikası have higher net profit margins than Tesla (and all behind Tesla) what's your point ?
      also Mahindra and Maruti have higher net profit margins than VW... I guess India is SUPERIOR to Germany 💪💪

    • @byhyew
      @byhyew ปีที่แล้ว +1

      German ICE cars far outcompete Japanese brands in China.

    • @bobcharles7716
      @bobcharles7716 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@byhyew true. So did China saved the German auto industry like it saved Buick?

  • @MrGanbat84
    @MrGanbat84 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you China for making nice car more affordable. here in DW all are double standard and racism

  • @hi4806
    @hi4806 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    😂😂Germans used to laugh at Tesla and China electric cars.

  • @I_dont_want_an_at
    @I_dont_want_an_at ปีที่แล้ว +5

    China uses economic influence as a weapon? Say that about yourself first and we can have a conversation

  • @lwty
    @lwty ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If you have competitive product, you will survive the competition. But without the Chinese market, it is impossible to roll out competitive products, especially for EV cars.

  • @duolayang
    @duolayang ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mainland China and Taiwan are not neighboring countries. As a serious media, please don't make mistakes on common sense issues. Mainland China and Taiwan are two regions in a state of civil war, and both regions are regions of China.

    • @loooongtimeago
      @loooongtimeago 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bet most of the western audience being brainwashed by the media like DW don't know Taiwan's official name is Republic Of China 😂

  • @ffgftgfgfgf6434
    @ffgftgfgfgf6434 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    auto industry is a game between us and china,nothing to do with german,german is not a player anymore

  • @Roman-lv1zt
    @Roman-lv1zt ปีที่แล้ว +5

    DW is getting roasted in the comments section 😂😂

  • @humansarecrazybeing5730
    @humansarecrazybeing5730 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    DW, this is not colonial period era anymore so stop blaming other non white countries for everything

  • @mjwalkabout8737
    @mjwalkabout8737 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Crying babies! There are no excuses for incompetents

    • @hartoz
      @hartoz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's no excuse for bad spelling either. But then again you are in China ;-)

    • @jasonmugridge
      @jasonmugridge ปีที่แล้ว

      Complacency

    • @mjwalkabout8737
      @mjwalkabout8737 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hartozSure & Noted!

    • @directxxxx71
      @directxxxx71 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@hartoz his second language skill might be better yours

  • @subasthapa8323
    @subasthapa8323 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So you are blaming the competition, lol.

  • @markdc1145
    @markdc1145 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The flood gates of cheap and high-quality Chinese EVs are opening wide while German auto manufacturers and unions are debating the transition to EV technology. This is looking more and more to be a repeat of what happened to the British auto industry in the 1970s.

  • @OhmUdomvanich
    @OhmUdomvanich ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Chinese will not leave Mercedes-Benz behind because BAIC and Geely own almost 20% in Mercedes-Benz

  • @mnldgbD
    @mnldgbD ปีที่แล้ว +22

    German companies had a long time to start seriously inovate and transition to electric cars, but they preferred to stay ( and some still prefer) to keep on their old polluting and high maintenance cars. Their lack of investment and interest in programming and electronics didn't help at all. I dislike chinese politics but on this one they were right and their companies were amazing in moving forward without excuses

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Blaupunkt stereo in Benz or BMW dash is so bad and obsolete.

    • @hkonhelgesen
      @hkonhelgesen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      VW and BMW made their first electric cars in the 1960s. They started early and moved slowly. Now they go all in. With VW ID-cars, BMW i-cars and Mercedes EQ-cars.

    • @hkonhelgesen
      @hkonhelgesen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alexlo7708 Becker Mexico retro DAB is nice in all oldtimers.

    • @morbid747
      @morbid747 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They became complacent after owning a big chunk of the market share. Just like Nokia and Motorola in the 1990's.

    • @DR.Don1899
      @DR.Don1899 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hkonhelgesenI'm sorry, I haven't seen any intelligent vehicle system comparable to China on German Car.Antiques decades ago do not represent modern electric cars.

  • @Antipius
    @Antipius ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a German, I hope German car makers (besides Opel) go under. Terrible, unethical business model. Extensive lobbying and tampering with public opinion..
    And completely outdated engineering. It wouldn't be a loss for humanity.

    • @pass3d
      @pass3d ปีที่แล้ว

      不要这样想,汽车工业上下游产业带动了很多就业。如果德国本土汽车制造商营收萎缩,倒闭,你的生活收入也会受影响的。中国现在电动汽车发展非常快,德国人应该加快速度转型,否则就是以后的NOKIA。

  • @kimchiba4570
    @kimchiba4570 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The first thing the video shows about China is the military..

  • @gouwkimdjoe2522
    @gouwkimdjoe2522 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yi loong ma is already built new gigafactory in Shanghai 😂

    • @bin.s.s.
      @bin.s.s. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We call him 马一龙

    • @HafiZzZzZz
      @HafiZzZzZz ปีที่แล้ว +3

      President XI should have also invited Yi Long MA when Elon Musk visited shanghai earlier

  • @rabbitazteca23
    @rabbitazteca23 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    U blew up ur own Pipelone from Russia thus causing ur car prices to soar.... Who's fault is that?

    • @modfus
      @modfus ปีที่แล้ว

      No, it was Joe Biden who blew up the pipeline. With "friends" like the USA, who needs enemies?

  • @dragospahontu
    @dragospahontu ปีที่แล้ว +19

    China number one

  • @oussamarahhab1128
    @oussamarahhab1128 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I will buy a chinese EV in the near future and encourage everyone in my surroundings to do the same. German cars are getting lame by the minute !

  • @pxidr
    @pxidr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you know that Mercedes almost do 50% of their sales in China and that Chinese people starts to slowly discard German cars towards their national car makers, that are now almost as well built (or better) than german cars, yeah, German car industry is in deep trouble.

  • @ecrush5080
    @ecrush5080 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    WHY it have to be "VS" ??

    • @johnsvensson6540
      @johnsvensson6540 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because click bait

    • @nielseixler7986
      @nielseixler7986 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnsvensson6540 „&“ might be better?

    • @ecrush5080
      @ecrush5080 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnsvensson6540 Hmm maybe... but we can see the tittle is changed. :)

  • @peterrathod
    @peterrathod ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not just Germany, Japan is lagging behind too

  • @worldabc428
    @worldabc428 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    quite strangely, Germany says its most important martket is a risk...

  • @questionmore4675
    @questionmore4675 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don't GO to china if you want talk about democracy , not every country most practice democracy and why bring Taiwan issues Into auto businesses?

    • @lozkko
      @lozkko ปีที่แล้ว

      Your comment is a non sequitur (true statement from which it doesn't follow a logical conclusion). Regardless of what one takes on democracy is, Taiwan produces the majority of semiconductors. With Covid, there were chip shortages everywhere, and you couldn't get lots of goods, with massive waiting lists. Cars need lots of chips. How can you not think about Taiwan if you are in the business of making cars😂😂😂

    • @questionmore4675
      @questionmore4675 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lozkko they're talking about china aggressiveness towards Taiwan this is not business

    • @lozkko
      @lozkko ปีที่แล้ว

      @@questionmore4675 you are a company making cars. Let's suppose China invades Taiwan. Let's suppose you don't care as a country, and want to remain neutral. You still care about semiconductors. Taiwan's production of chips is disrupted, down say 70% and the Chinese obviously redirect the chips to local production. You should care for this reason, even if you don't give a fig 🤦🤦

    • @user-ci5vz8yv6u
      @user-ci5vz8yv6u ปีที่แล้ว

      你根本就不懂什么是民主,中国人的民主
      You don't even understand what democracy is, Chinese democracyn

    • @josephkibeera2416
      @josephkibeera2416 ปีที่แล้ว

      China's meritocracy vs western democracy , it's seems China's political model is more efficient because only the best talented people can be in political leadership

  • @ALWH1314
    @ALWH1314 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The name of the country Taiwan and four other islands is “Republic of China”, and their constitution and map includes mainland China.

  • @nelcalb
    @nelcalb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So Germany victimizing itself because the student surpassed the master.

  • @dangdaiwu4690
    @dangdaiwu4690 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The United States often says that China has a war risk, which is the means it uses to cope with the competition with China

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei ปีที่แล้ว

      the irony is US is the greatest war risk to germany... you don't even need to be at war for them to bomb your pipeline and they will even make you shut up about it... xD

  • @Leitalks
    @Leitalks ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Germany is doomed one way or another

  • @bgg2249
    @bgg2249 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Are you serious? The future of cars is obviously the trend of electrification, only China and the United States are leading the way, while the traditional Germany and Japan have already lagged behind.

  • @padraicley3265
    @padraicley3265 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We are a Chinese and German couple in the US. Germany has always been great with older tech but has needed more software and semiconductor development than the US for years. One reason is that Germany is smaller than the US and China in terms of population.
    My factory tour in southern China revealed a significant opportunity for collaboration. The Chinese high-speed rail engine, a product of German influence, is just one example. Today, Germany stands to gain from Chinese advancements in software, semiconductor technology, and AI.
    China and Germany can coexist for the betterment of the world. German cars made in China can quickly be sold to Southeast Asia and India at lower costs. Many did not know the US has a so-called "Chicken Tax" on German cars sold in America.
    As the leaders of the EU, Germany and China want to balance the US with the rest of the world since the US will never want to lose its number one power. The US proganada overblows the war on Taiwan with China.

  • @fengxiaoma
    @fengxiaoma ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The biggest threat to German car makers is Tesla, is Elon Musk, who can define the EVs industry now and future...It so sad that you can't realised this fact until today...it also partially explained why German car makers are doomed.

    • @Darkmatter321
      @Darkmatter321 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tesla will be old news in a matter of a few years

    • @taiwanstillisntacountry
      @taiwanstillisntacountry ปีที่แล้ว

      And where does Tesla buys its batteries from?
      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @xrc5540
    @xrc5540 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As expected this clickbait video is another opportunity to bash China. So tired of it.

  • @Athrunwong
    @Athrunwong ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don't really care, whomever makes the best products with the best offering price wins the customers.

  • @FreiesL
    @FreiesL 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nobody Wants Electric Cars here in germany. We Even haven‘t enough power to recharge 😂

  • @togifashion8737
    @togifashion8737 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I watched the same topic from CNBC, the EV battle between China and USA......

  • @joenewcfd
    @joenewcfd ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think German companies are able to turn more to the States and try to sell more cars there by beating the Japanese companies. There are no risks.

    • @gustavomercado1599
      @gustavomercado1599 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You didn't account for the Koreans, which are making very decent electric cars

    • @joenewcfd
      @joenewcfd ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@gustavomercado1599 I only know German cars are better.

    • @gustavomercado1599
      @gustavomercado1599 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@joenewcfd Except that objectively they aren't. The VW ID family of cars have terrible software and German cars are not considered reliable in the states

    • @joenewcfd
      @joenewcfd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gustavomercado1599 As I know, even VWs are regarded as luxury. German car companies are making and can make a lot of money in Northamerican. People who own German cars are pretty proud.

    • @lvjinbin28
      @lvjinbin28 ปีที่แล้ว

      why not Germany hate BYD not Tesla?

  • @peterrathod
    @peterrathod ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a sour grape man. Are you telling me that China is not allowed to be better than Germany for making cars? Come on man, Germany had made trillion dollars of profit from China by car sales, and China is smart enough to learn your car making technology and evolved. So, fair deal to me

  • @captives6479
    @captives6479 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It no longer makes sense to the Chinese to buy expensive German premium EV's from Benz, BMW and Audi. German car industry will only decline.

  • @jimmylam9846
    @jimmylam9846 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is just like TBM......they have surged ahead German makers with price ( 50 % cheaper ),quality and services (7/24 live online technical service) beating them in export market hands down.

  • @christianljung6600
    @christianljung6600 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And now, following NorthAmerican stupidity of supporting Ukraine War and sactions , the situation for Germany will be worst. Remember also the incentives given to Industry by the American goverment. So the problem is not China but yes its ally.

  • @modfus
    @modfus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In future, these German brands will either go out of business or be owned by China. I can see the day coming when Mercedes is a Chinese-owned brand (like Volvo and MG)

  • @ccei638
    @ccei638 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If invest in china is an increasing risky business, why the German manufactures are doubling down on investing in China? DW is talking rubbish.

  • @themiddlekingdom9121
    @themiddlekingdom9121 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    40 years ago, the German automakers didn't have risky bet at all in China.

    • @ARUchannel1
      @ARUchannel1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      germany wanted quick cash, but now chinese makers are better

  • @driver5347
    @driver5347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate Baerbock. She destroys Germany right now.

  • @JEDAM75
    @JEDAM75 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe Germany should begin by making their internet working and get rid of the so beloved telefax and postal letters😅

  • @Fiend1sh3
    @Fiend1sh3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Go, China! Go!

  • @kevinzhu6151
    @kevinzhu6151 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I, a native Chinese , who owned an Audi A7 for 8years, now drive a Tesla model Y…. For me, Tesla is better and cheaper while German cars are expensive and outdated.. and I have test drive many local EVs like Nio LI and xpeng, to tell the truth, Chinese EV car makers will be the biggest nightmare for Japanese and German car industry….. truth hurts…. Btw… Tesla is still my favorite 😂😂😂

  • @johncompassion9054
    @johncompassion9054 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Germany and Europe in general is lagging behind compared to Japan, S. Korea and China when it comes to electronics and software systems. This did not happed yesterday, things are this way for decades and when cars started to include more and more electronics, and tend to rely less on mechanical systems, this problem is starting to get the attention from the general public. Europe needs to invest a lot into this and genuinely do a deep and humble study to figure out
    1. Why European/German car electrics fall apart after a few years while Japanese electronics hold up (like super complex Toyota Prius)
    2. Why East Asian softwares (car infotainment systems) feel much modern, things are laid out rationally utilising advanced tech while European/German cars' infotainment systems feel like they are still in dark ages. I am not insulting anyone, this is a reality Germany (my childhood hero car country) has to wake up to.

  • @crishhari5903
    @crishhari5903 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    More videos like this and I am sure Germany will lose even more market share to the domestic and American car makers.
    There is truth in the video but the tone is full of arrogance.

  • @donkeykong516
    @donkeykong516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    China is in the drivers seat, no pun intended

  • @koonsiang0345
    @koonsiang0345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who are u going to blame for the deindustrialisation strategy that resulted in shutting down of german auto industry?

  • @jcliu
    @jcliu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don’t worry about these silly EVs. Germany will always lead the world in the engineering of diesel defeat devices…

  • @johnfrancis4401
    @johnfrancis4401 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s too late. VW, BMW and Daimler are going bust.

  • @godzillamothra5983
    @godzillamothra5983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    watching this "news", is like watching horse cart manufacturer complaining about ford stealing their tech and replacing them

  • @weird-guy
    @weird-guy ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In my country (Europe) German car are still in the top 10 but top 3 are still French brands 😊

    • @lucisleesion8824
      @lucisleesion8824 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then I guess you are french

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget there are many German cars hiding behind some European brands such as Skoda and Seat.

    • @chrisbell238
      @chrisbell238 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent brother... tell you friends not to support the end of your industry with Chinese cars. IF they come to US, people say they will destroy them on street which will mean insurance will no longer cover (happened with kia) and sales will plunge. .... so bring it CCP car

    • @CM73878
      @CM73878 ปีที่แล้ว

      French manufacturers have more to fear from China as France produces no premium brands such as Audi, BMW and Mercedes. Their future is in doubt as they scramble for market share at the bottom of the pile. No-one “aspires” to own a French car. They are a commodity. I say this with a huge sense of regret but in future I doubt that the a French manufacturers will be able to compete against Chinese and other Eastern Asian manufacturers such as Vietnam. This will have a devastating effect on jobs in Europe and prosperity.

    • @alexlo7708
      @alexlo7708 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CM73878 French car brands have already sold to Stelantis. So they don't worry.

  • @lukeecle117
    @lukeecle117 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mercedes S class car OS vs NIO ES6 OS => Nokia 1610 vs iPhone 14

  • @Kotak8
    @Kotak8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    German automakers are in a better position than the U.S., Japanese & SKorean car makers.

  • @tomo1168
    @tomo1168 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    german car makers already lost the biggest market.
    now they hve to fight for their own market - europe - against the chinese. or let the eu set high tarifs. and we didn't even mentioned tesla.

  • @bobbyfit92
    @bobbyfit92 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now you want to copy from them but they West hate when China learn from them 😅

  • @Leitalks
    @Leitalks ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blame Elon Musk instead of China

  • @nicks.2627
    @nicks.2627 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    German car lack of karaoke app? Seriously baseless and subjective imagination. Even the German documentary tries to ignore the key problem. The German EV cars have the lowest battery density compared to the others and lack connectivity thinking. They are still hoping consumer buy their cars because of their brand, but VW can't even compete with Tesla. neither the quality nor the user experience.

  • @bandwsf
    @bandwsf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EV is a disrupter. Everyone has to adjust to it. The process is going to be painful.

  • @jslchan9734
    @jslchan9734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What kind of journalism is this? Contrast German cars with Chinese military parade. This is so low.

  • @viktorjeney358
    @viktorjeney358 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    „If China today needs German carmakers“ I believe is the wrong question to ask, DW! The right question would be: why does the German government let its carmakers be the worst of capitalists; cry about toughening environmental regulations and threaten when EV transition is pushed on them, while they take record profits that do not benefit Germany or any of its allies in the biggest geopolitical chess game in human history?

  • @user-ny2bx8ez1c
    @user-ny2bx8ez1c ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The poor decision making, of the controlling entitled families that run German auto, will be almost nothing by the end of the decade!

  • @robin.ranjan
    @robin.ranjan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Germany time is over