The Ultimate Test: Can A Chinese Car Have German Qualities? (Voyah FREE vs Audi Q5L)
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- Ethan is off somewhere dusting his fanny packs, so we've invited Elliot Richards from @Fully Charged Show and @China Driver to help us answer a very important question: can a Chinese car possibly embody the same qualities as a premium German vehicle? We're going to find out, through the power of science!
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It's amazing to see the cars being produced in China and all the features they offer as standard. The rest of the automotive market should be worried because when these Chinese automakers start going global it is going to put pressure on the OEMs especially when you compare features you get at a lower price point on the Chinese vehicles. The Audi in this video just looks dated compared to the Voyah Free.
2023年应该是中国车出口爆发的元年，虽然今年出口已经超过德国了，和第一名日本很近，但这仅仅是开始
Do keep in mind that this is a aggressive move by the Chinese economy and most manufactures are making a loss even when heavily subsidized by the government. So they are playing the game by their own rules.
@@caleidoo your assertion is wrong. Is just like phones and other gadgets. You're paying for the brand and not just what you bought.
When you don't have money, you don't care
@@caleidoo The same can be said for almost all EV makers. How many billions of government grant have been given to Tesla? And don't forget billions more in tax relief and rebates for EV car buyers. Tesla been in the red for years before finally making profit last year.
This video proves to me that Wheelsboy is the Chinese Top Gear :)
中国最火的汽车娱乐节目是:极速拍档
stig's Mc Donalds cousin...
We got s new character, the "Fanny Pack Stig" love it. 🧑🚀
Ethan was really yakking his head off in that helmet ...just the seal was so good.
Let the fanny pack stig be a regular! Hehehehe
Love the vibes from Elliot
That FREE looks stunning!
i don't understand how a great quality channel like this one doesn't have 100K subs.
You guys are crazy but it’s definitely one of your best episode 😂😂
Honestly all Chinese Evs are amazing. I think all oems in the world will have real hard time if they play in fair and plane ground. They are cheaper, more tech, design is top notch and etc.
I been watching you guys for long time. I worked at all three oem the "Big 3" in the US. Honestly GM is the only one who might be good enough go challenge.
In my professional perspective, Chinese EV is real threat even to Tesla.
GM was big part of Chinese Evs.
@@abcdefgabcedfg You referring to the Wuling?
Nnaah.... it's all Chinese
Elliot on Wheelsboy , Fantastic Collab 💪💪
When he was taking that first beer away he kept glancing around like he really wanted to gulp it down but wasn't sure what everyone else's reaction would be😂😂😭💀
Chinese cars are big plush and comfortable.
I think Chinese cars are already better quality. I have seen byd with 300k km
I love the C pillar design of the FREE. Never seen anything similar, very orginal design.
Peugeot 207 sw
Fair comparison should be Audi E tron.
It's not the Stig, but the Stig's Chinese Cousin
Can't speak for the quality of the materials between the two (although audi has legendary reputation for high quality interiors), but the Q5 interior and tech look extremely dated compared to the Free.
That's because the Audi is a 6 year old design, and Western companies are slower to market, so that's more like an 8-10 year age difference in the design
@@jamescartier8728 Slower to market indeed. Look at Li Auto, the company itself didn't even exist until 2015. Li Auto would unveil its first ever car, the Li ONE, in April 2019, and by January 2020, volume production had begun, and by September 2022, they've already sold around 200,000 Li ONEs, and after less than three years in production, the Li ONE is already OUT OF PRODUCTION, since Li Auto has now launched its successors the L8 and L9.
@@tren133 so don't expect a lot of spare parts available in the long.
That Voyah Free looks amazing...too bad you can't get one for FREE :D
The ruthless test driver don't feel cold in November cause he's got the fanny pack
Good review Elliot. 👍
I'm not sure if they are already as good as german cars, expecially the best, audi and porsche. But I'm sure they are already better than korean and french vehicels
Now, aside from the funny vibe from this video, it cannot be unseen how far especially Volkswagen is behind in terms of digital services and infotainment. Yes, the Audi Q5 is a few years old now, but even latest Audi and VW models have infotainment and interior architecture that doesn't go far beyond what we see here. This is alarming. While yes, some might say "it's just screens and they just display different things" and yes, that's true, and ultimately you can absolutely live without a retractable screen wall in front of you, but since the world is going all digital and (from my understanding) especially in China there is a HIGH demand for up to date digital services and interface design, this is simply years behind in development.
While in home markets like here in Germany, people are fine with paying more for a car with less features, just to feel the 'premium' atmosphere, I doubt that this will be a viable business model in markets like China in the future. So either they get going or they get eaten.
The prestige is something Chinese brands don't have, everyone knows they buy Chinese cars simply because they are cheaper.
I own a Mercedes E-class and a kinda cheap zeekr. The satnav in Mercedes is noticeably laggy and this will be a deal-breaker for me in the future. Mercedes definitely has way better driving quality, but doesn't really feel premium.
@@realEthanZou 开国产车都是loser
Yes very on point. As a matter of fact VW recognizes this and just set up a joint venture company last month in China with a very capable local software company, in order to address this issue.
At least Mercedes has a good entertainment system
The only German car I am familiar with is the VW Santana Vista as a taxi in Guangzhou and Shanghai when they were still the popular taxi fleet
yeah VWs are taxis in China...agree 😂🤣🤣. So I am never gonna take a taxi in China..since I know it can breakdown.
2 fanny backs for aerodynamics
Three!
Chinese car makers must learn to name their cars properly, not Free, Lemon or Good Cat 😅
Japanese Toyota Crown 😂😂😂🤣
So it's renamed Funky Cat
Funky Cat is such an awesome name, seriously.
@@kittyflier8338 I think only in the UK, the importers had changed it to Funky Cat. I'm not if that is better than Good Cat. I think I prefer Good Cat than funky cat lol
I think those names are all better than a mix of letters n numbers….
The ultimate test is when Chinese cars can have Japanese qualities....not German qualities. Any car company can reach german qualities.
Keep doing this amazing videos..dont worry about attention..luv from india❤️❤️
Ability to run over sleeping policemen is a very important feature. 😏
Love these collabs!
At this stage, Chinese cars are like Xiaomi phones, they have great spec but they are just nor there.
also there is just one company from the mighty west that can compete with chinese brands.
合作？ 跳槽？ Happy to see you here.
I absolutely enjoyed this review
I have friends that owned Audi, BMW, and Benz....all of them agrees that they have horrible quality when compared to a Lexus or an Acura.
My dad's 7 yr old e class' transmission just stopped working while going up a steep hill. Good quality? Or just a mirage?
you pay for the badge dude.
@Morrismack - What's the question in that. Of course
I think Chinese manifacturers will number one in global sales in 7 - 10 years. Almost every Chinese Brand will have one mainstream EV and a premium EV brand.
是两年内，今年第一季度已经是了，未来会是第二名的两倍，希望非洲市场成长起来
the best car-bloggers in China
This episode was made just to have an excuse to have beer and pretzels for the entire crew😂
My VW golf broke down in 6 months, what German quality?
German engineering ->good driving characteristic, uneccssary over engineering, pain in the ass to maintain, spare part expensive af
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v powerful engine is true, good quality is not
I had Audi Q5 for 4 years and it was great.
My golf has never broke Down in 5 years 💁
@@kimrasmussen8352 not every golf is bad
I'm not even aware of this Voyah car brand!!🤯🤯 Why not review this car?!
We did a full review about four months ago, we linked it in video…
This is a new brand in China. Even in China, most of people never heard about it.
@@leejack2478 wow and they compare it to an audi. That's the level of automobile engineering and prowess that Chinese have.
@@Wheelsboy dudes...improve on your humour and content. Getting bad by the day. Hire new anchors, editors, storyboarders, script writers. Please don't take it hard. Good suggestion from a concerned viewer.
I just love the Hawaiian stig
I ss Audi is bit more conventional compared to Voyah
I'd better go for Voyah
9:31 some say that he likes spicy food, and that he lives with a hotpot. All we know is that he's called the Stig! Top Wheels!
Quality is the key word here. Toyota and Audi can make cars that have countless technologies, but they want to see you in 10 years for changing core parts not twice every year.
Never heard the term sleeping policemen before
So Elliot has joined wheelsboy?
no... the colaborate from time to time.
lmao, did they just do the first drive test of a car with a bretzel squeezed in the front grill ?
The Voyah’s grille kin of looks like a Maserati’s grille.
Germen ? high tech? what?....................lol
You just made this Beer experiment to to have some excuse to drink all, right ? ;) :)
6 cans each counting the camera and sound guy.... party time boys....
The Voyah makes the Audi Q5L feels like a Toyota in term of luxury and features.
Wheelsboy stig!
Maybe you can use water instead of beer to do the test🤣
Have you ditched Fully Charged, Elliot?
Yeah they need good naming car looks sexy
You should've shown some respect to the food....
I find it sooooo annoying that these manufacturers don't offer long wheel base variants of their vehicles outside of China. They don't want to cannibalise their models, I get it, but people could start getting put off OEM cars if Chinese models that start getting exported around the world and offer long wheel base varients.
You have chosen a smaller Audi SUV to compare with Voyah Free. When you take the size, power and electric range into account, the correct choice would have been an Audi SQ8 e-tron.
It’s Hawaiian Stig! 🏁
Please, can you review the Voyah Race the sun car?
I give 0 doughnuts for that coffee made. It was more a tea than a coffee
this video is fun
What I learn today after unfair test , Chinese electric car have a lot good points for people put in short list to buy.
岚图最近很猛呀！拳打奥迪，脚踢阿尔法。
这车卖的不好。
Some price comparison would’ve been great
Q5L is more expensive, I guess.
No heated or cool seats in the Audi, guessing this car wasn't specced with those options.
We have Stig at home 😅
Not a fair comparison
This is the most absurd and weird test ever… however i saw all the video lolo
How about in English is communicating to that infotainment is it possible?
Yes, you can, bro, the language needs to be adjusted according to the destination country, generally it's an international language, bro
Jason Are you the Stig???
I'm so confused I've been in china for a while and couldn't care enough to fight with the VPN to watch TH-cam.
What is Elliott doing on this channel !!?
German engineers are working for Chinese companies 😂
I like buttons. But not too many buttons...
4,5-4,8 to 100 and elevrdic or hybrid technology, not just gasoline
Do Germany have anything than just assembly unit.?
according to a chinese friend of mine. All Dongfeng vehicles except from those of military. Have notorious bad quality!
Makes me sad that we can’t buy these outside China
I would say that I’m concerned about the long-term reliability of Chinese cars, but compared to the long term reliability of a typical German car, the Chinese auto makers would really have to have an epic fail to do worse than the Germans in this regard. And I say this as a retired European (primarily German) specialist automotive technician.
They should aim for Japanese engineering standards. That's very difficult as it involves back breaking work standards and brain rattling research.
they have funny names,seems like Chinese mae in every second barn this kind of vehicles
I would buy the voyah free!
岚图这车用料猛的一B
You've obviously never owned a merc or BMW new with lots of issues Inc annoying rattles everywhere!!
He speaks some chinese!
But the Audi is a ICE car so can't really compare it
Is it not illegal to have an open container of alcohol in a vehicle while driving in China?
No
driving after drinking any alcoholic beverages is illegal
You can drive a car with beer in hand, as long as you don't drink it. The police will definitely stop you and make a drinking test on you. If you are not drunk, you are good to go, maybe get a ticket for "unsafe driving". If you are drunk, you should thank to the government, they will give you a room and three meals a day for several years. How wonderful it is.
@@erwingobig1954the police found you drink wine after test, you will be arrested, and sent to hospital for blood test. if without any accident, wine drive(20-80mg/100ml) will be fine 1000-2000RMB and baned driving for 6 month. drunk drive(>=80mg/100ml) will be baned driving for 5 years, and put in prison about 6 months. not that much if there is no accident
Nope, and we absolutely did not drink and drive! The only alcohol consumed was the small sip that Elliot took during the conclusion (and he did not drive home).
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For me German quality means poor reliability.
I’ve driven the free, preety cool car i still wouldn’t buy haha!
Buyers will also care about the image they are projecting when using a product. Chinese car makers need to put more effort into international branding. It’s not only about having products being technically as good or even superior to competitors..
In China they don't. They really love local brands such as BYD and Xiaomi.
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The elephant in the room that no one seems to be addressing about Chinese cars is , like almost everything else made in China , dreadful long-term reliability
this audi q5 looks so dated like from 10 years ago comparing to Voyah free...
It's rather biased to compare a 6 year-old petrol Audi with a brand new Chinese-market electric car.
Of course the Audi will have a less modern and spacious interior, with more buttons and less technology.
Of course it will ride stiffer, as China is still quite rural and the Voyah is designed for that.
I don't blame these guys for taking Chinese money, but the spin is a little too obvious to convince Western audiences.
Yeah. Should have compared it to the EQE or IX
The Voyah is actually 2 years old. Haven't been selling too well in China (1,225 were delivered in October, compared to the 714,000 NEVs sold in total - out of which 1/3 were BYDs) as it's often derided as lacking an identity among the fierce competition. Still doing better than most of the Germans in the same segment like the Audi Q4 e-tron and the Mercedes EQC (575 and 104 units were delivered last month respectively), but not as good as the BMW iX3 (2,592). Nope, the Chinese are not drawn in a feverish nationalistic drive to support local brands: the ICE offerings from the German luxury brands have a diehard following and are still selling in tens of thousands (the Q5L alone sold 9,801 units last month). Truth to be told, the German EVs are just not as competitive as local rivals in the Chinese market, at least for now.
About the ride - having driven around a lot, I can guarantee you that China has the best road, superbly built and maintained, even in the most remote, trafficless corners of the vast nation. The infrastructure (and the moeny spent) is just insane. The Voyah has a softer ride, most likely because it has air suspension.
@@MaticTheProto benz EQE battery too bad, sale number less than 100 a month in China, model y has 30k+ a month in China.
@@shiwenhe2814 yeah, because the tesla is cheap garbage.
I like drivers displays and door handles :)
German cars may have very good performance, but not necessary good quality (reliability).
It would be interesting to see both cars together again in 10 years. It will be interesting to see if the Chinese car is as durable as the Audi. Although Audi is hardly a benchmark in durability either.
not possible, as Germen cars normally fall aparts after 3 years.
@@13031983 my thoughts exactly. But will the Chinese car be any better?
@@13031983 agree with you. Not even 3 years...starts falling apart in months.
I think most luxury cars nowadays are not very durable (except Japanese brands).
RIP Japanese cars....
Auch a wierd review. Who measures car quality by the number of beer cans.
The Chinese car tech is very cool. But physical buttons are way better to use and the quality of the German engines would be superior to that of the Chinese car. Your paying for the engineering as well with a German car. Also looks alot nicer.
🥗4:37 Please clearly state whether the seats are genuine leather or synthetic.
Norwegian Voyah Free models are offered with vegan seats.
Always choose superior synthetics!😊
Synthetic leather will never be superior in terms of longevity and quality, lol. And considering leather seats are sourced from byproduct materials, synthetic seats are also worse for the environment.
@@jamescartier8728 Wrong. MB, BMW, Toyota, and others have had superior synthetics for decades. It wears better and requires practically no care. As for leather’s being a ‘by-product,’ tell that to the slaughtered, sentient, and nurturing cows, which we should not be eating in the first place!
We are literally throwing away leather now already, which is not only a waste of a beautiful natural material, but also emits co2 when it gets burned. And now you emit extra to make this nasty plastic. By going without leather without meat industry crimping is an extremely dumb idea
The Audi compared to that one is a expensive piece of crap.
German cars have been consistently ranked at bottom in terms of quality in U.S.
Not sure what that proves though guys...
but it does kinda prove to me that a Chinese buyer would rather buy a Steinway Grand piano rather than a Chinese piano .
Or buy a German car rather than a Chinese one. Labels matter to this country.
Next time do it with Chinese beer!
I think it stems from China's relative newness as a wealthy country. People who have memories of poverty often buy things that will last longer. The same thing was true in the West before people became complacent and bored, and turned to trend-based buying habits
@@jamescartier8728 I'd be guessing that there's an equivalent saying in Chinese of ''Keeping up with the Joneses''.
@@jamescartier8728 nah, it’s climate regulations that lead to less long lasting engines
It is starting to change, and the German brands need to be very afraid of that fact. I tried to convince my Chinese boomer aged FIL who was in the market for a car to get one of these hot new EVs like a NIO or Li ONE, but he spent a load of money on a gas powered Merc SUV instead. But the younger generations in China who are also now in the market for cars are buying Teslas and even domestic Chinese brands in droves, and far less tied to the prestige of a German badge.
@Modern Classic Collectables Sure I guess my retired FIL still holds to those German brands, but this will likely be the last car he'll ever purchase new. Merc and BMW literally earns as much as 50% of their profits from that generation of older Chinese buyers, but they are all aging out of the market, and the hundreds of millions of younger Chinese consumers are nowhere near as tied to those prestige brands. They are flocking to Tesla and NIO showrooms, while overpriced Mercedes EVs languish in dealer lots in China. So the big German brands better hope to get their act together or else their Chinese golden profit goose goes up in flames.
German quality?! Don't make me laugh....German cars never had qualities...