Therapist Reacts to THE KISSING BOOTH Part 2 of 2 (EVEN MORE REACTING)
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More Kissing Booth. Ew. More terrible dialogue. Ew. Still no apple boxes. Why!?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are continuing to react to (and suffer through) The Kissing Booth. They discuss the horrible relationship dynamics between Noah and Elle. They are frustrated by the cheesy score, poor green screen compositing, and the ridiculous framing of the actors. At least Twilight mustache dad shows up and has good things to say. After one movie, Jono’s brain has been liquified, and Alan swears almost as much as Tarantino. Dare they watch the rest?
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My five year old heard you say “get in the car!” and asked why I was watching a mean show. “That was not nice, I like nice shows.” Bless him.
That’s cute
Your five year old has great taste already, the characters in this trilogy could learn a lot from him.
Youre five year old just made my day🥰
Your five year old recognises toxic behaviour about 300% better than the characters in this flick. As, tbh, most small children often tend to do. (They do get a lot of things naturally, just by being healthy humans who haven't had time to "learn" shitty shit from butt-ass crappy romcoms yet.)
@@narnigrin this is so true. i have a little brother who is 4 and he is so sensitive to people being harsh with one another. even if someone has a little furrow in their brow, he will come up and ask if they are sad. its so sweet.
“Because I’m pregnant Elle…” I fell backwards laughing. That was perfect timing.
That and "There's a warrant out for your arrest" 🤣
The timing was so perfect that I actually had to do a double take because I thought for a moment he actually said that in the film 😂
Likewise, I laughed so much at that line, I love how they actually make the film more entertaining! 😂🤣
I laughed so hard at that part 🤣🤣🤣
Screw you for spoiling
"You're the only one who doesn't fall at my feet."
Because she's already at his feet.
I'm with Alan get that girl an apple box
Get the Apple box , please
😢Toxic mascunility is hot. Period. I'm just kidding. There's no such thing as toxic mascunility, people can be toxic. That's it. Human beings can get 😡 sometimes. It's about how he controlled his 😡without hurting anyone. That's real masculinity.Has she never 😡 on the show? She obviously would'nt hit her hand on the vehicle as women are physically weaker than men. Why do u think she deserves him other than the fact that she looks cute? And u saw how these therapits said that guy's face looks like a rapper.Is that supposed to be a joke? Imagine if I said a girl's face looks like a slate. Then you'll say I'm sexist. See the double standards.During the shirtless scene, imagine if it was Noah who said "omg I touched it" then these people would say he sexually assaulted her. That's why I don't like feminists. They don't even realize the problem with their perception and mentality.
Toxic mascunility is hot. Period. I'm just kidding. There's no such thing as toxic mascunility, people can be toxic. That's it. Human beings can get 😡 sometimes. It's about how he controlled his 😡without hurting anyone. That's real masculinity. Has she never 😡 on the show? She obviously would'nt hit her hand on the vehicle as women are physically weaker than men. Why do u think she deserves him other than the fact that she looks cute? And u saw how these therapits said that guy's face looks like a rapper. Is that supposed to be a joke? Imagine if I said a girl's face looks like a slate. Then you'll say I'm sexist. See the double standards. During the shirtless scene, imagine if it was Noah who said "omg I touched it" then these people would say he sexually assaulted her. That's why I don't like feminists. They don't even realize the problem with their perception and mentality.
Toxic mascunility is hot. Period. I'm just kidding. There's no such thing as toxic mascunility, people can be toxic. That's it. Human beings can get 😡 sometimes. It's about how he controlled his 😡without hurting anyone. That's real masculinity.Has she never 😡 on the show? She obviously would'nt hit her hand on the vehicle as women are physically weaker than men.
Why do u think she deserves him other than the fact that she looks cute? And u saw how these therapits said that guy's face looks like a rapper. Is that supposed to be a joke? Imagine if I said a girl's face looks like a slate. Then you'll say I'm sexist. See the double standards.During the shirtless scene, imagine if it was Noah who said "omg I touched it" then these people would say he sexually assaulted her. That's why I don't like feminists. They don't even realize the problem with their perception and mentality.
Kind of tired of 'healthy' relationships being portrayed as 'boring' but the toxic are all super exciting!
Exactly! The Edge of Seventeen is a great antidote to this. The ‘bad boy’ Nadine is into in that film clearly has no interest, and she organically realizes on her own that she likes the good guy, Erwin, who really likes her, back. They genuinely like getting to know each other, spending time in each other’s company. And even though it starts off with Erwin clearly being more into Nadine romantically than she is into him, she realizes she likes him, too, and is upfront about it at the end. It’s such a sweet relationship they have, and I’m ten times more invested in that than this pile of slag that’s called a movie, where two characters who don’t know anything about each other but have sex a bunch and have no healthy dynamic going on, are expected to be idolized
its bc writers need therapy...
Which is why I started watching kdramas. They make beautiful stories with healthy relationships
broken mind looking for broken things .. you cant change their opinion just cuz you want to. Its like a drug, you cannot help that person until there is realization that the drugs are bad .. until the person believes its good, nothing you can do.
Gomez and Morticia have an healthy relationship
I think the fact that Lee assumes Noah hit El implies that Noah hits Lee. As someone who grew up with a volatile and angry brother, one of my biggest fears was that he would one day abuse his partner.
I am really sorry that happened to you. I think in this case it is more a case of bad writing - Noah isn't meant to be portrayed as violent towards his brother - as shown in their "brawl" - where in the end is deescalating - it's just a cheap shot to ramp up the drama. Apart from that though: they aren't close at all and both have a pretty simplistic stereotypical picture of the other (by what they hear and see at school and through their parents). They obviously have basically no common interests (besides Elle *insert eye roll* ) and there is a lot of jealousy, disinterest and non existent communication at the forefront of the relationship. They really don't KNOW each other at all. I have friends with relationships exactly like that with their siblings. Some later in life actually fought to develop a proper bond and had to talk through everything...so many wrong assumptions. This could serve as an explanation as well.
I felt the same until I saw him restraining his brother without hurting him. I wouldn't be surprised though if their dad was abusive. That would explain SO much! Not to say that Noah is at least borderline abusive and in desperate need of therapy long term, or that this would excuse either of their behavior, it would just make sense.
God, I had a similar situation with my sister... Until it turned out the dude she was dating was abusing HER and that was why she'd been so vile to me, she was taking all her rage and turning it towards the nearest target. Thankfully she dumped his ass with some prodding from our Dad and got into a career that she loves and has barely dated since because she's too busy enjoying life with her nursing job.
Abuse never just hurts the victim. Abuse hurts everyone and I'm so glad this channel calls it out in every form.
@@brighidmcmullen9577 THIS would've been such an interesting spin on that story! would've actually made it profound. noah as the victim of his father who has trauma but is hold accountable by his girlfriend (as is shown in the first scenes of noah and ellie, where she comments "what is wrong with you, i am not an object") and his brother. it coud've made a real impact by showing how siblings react differently to violence, noah being the one executing it and lee bottling it up.
@@Tolly7249 Nobody who has a nursing job enjoys their life.
What bothers most me is the anxiety she displays every time Noah is starting to become threatening. She gets jumpy and nervous like she HAS to diffuse his anger, like she is responsible. You can see this relationship playing out down the line and it ends with a nationwide search for her. 😟😢
BuT sHe WiLl fIx HiM!
Because she is 'the one'...
It's like they were trying to make a movie about the dangers of this and then went "Nah, we'll play it as a romance. It'll be fine"
This. We’re socialized that being loving and supportive also means “helping” a partner through their anger, diffusing it. But it’s too easy to cross the line with a partner who is frequently angry or losing their temper- only that person is responsible for controlling themselves and their choices, not us. And if they are violent, it’s even more critical to stop trying to rescue them from the consequences and step away.
And when she has to physically put herself between Lee and him, a simple "no" or "listen to me" isn't enough for him
@@mallorycarpinski1160 that would actually be an interesting movie, where they play it like a romance for the majority of the movie until the last third where the main girl goes missing and you find out the love interest killed her
I have 5 sisters and they all thought this was a great romantic movie, and I then sent this to all of them and 4 out of 5 realised that this actually has a ton of unhealthy and unrealistic ideas of what a relationship should look and be like. Thank you guys for your insight and for the laughs!
4 out of 5. What did the one sister say about the film lol
@@thejaded im wondering this exact same thing
@@thejaded she said that she thought is was a romantic film all the same, but provided no valid argument as to why it was. Her opinion was it was like Beauty and the Beast, a story about a girl who helps tame a monster. Which was a terrible comparrison in my opinion hahaha.
@@noahchavez741 which is another horrible trope!!
so many people enter terrible, abusive relationships with the mindset that they could "fix" the other person.
but that's just not how that works. If you let your boundaries be crossed for the sake of "fixing", that person will never make an effort to stop.
That isn't love. It's suffering.
I really hope your sister will realize and not become a victim of voilence or abuse.
@@noahchavez741 Unfortunately, that kind of thought is what trap people in abusive relationship.
This story was based originally on a Wattpad story written by a teenager that was then published into a book. Which makes sense why the story romanticizes abusive and toxic behavior. A child who has not yet realized the severity of abuse and maybe has consumed a lot of media that endorses toxic relationships wrote the story.
Oh, this explains SO MUCH. Wattpad does produce a lot rubbish like that
And I can accept stuff like this existing on a place like Wattpad, where a lot of young writers are kinda just figuring things out and testing their skills. Later they can look back at those stories and be like "Oh yeah, there was some icky stuff with that one." Wattpad is a vast sea of brain farts and random drabbles and stories there aren't usually taken too seriously, as many people are just having fun. But something like this ending up getting a full adaptation, approved by full-grown adults? How? Why?
Obviously the answer why they do this is money. Just pure money. They know it sells. Even the people who hate these types of movies watch it, and they more engagement that way. There's no morality of what's right and wrong to make into a movie other than it just gives them cold hard cash after all.
@@unicycle1017umm Jesus that’s not always true
I’m so glad y’all are calling out the almost sexualization of toxic masculinity. You make it very clear that a people acting like this is not okay and actually dangerous behavior, especially with the scenes where Noah gets violent and it’s framed as heroic or like he’s a misunderstood guy.
At this point i'm convined this entire movie was probably what a teen guy (or girl) thought was cute after binge watching Twilight and decided to write their own script.
Edit: Some spelling errors lol
@@gabblet.weirdo5099 wow, i said that as a joke, sometimes my own genius scares me
Protecting someone doesn't have to be violent. Also anyone else notice the male lead looks so much like Edward from Twilight? Like their faces are so similar!
@@Valorian6167 so your excusing the way he acts cuz he looks nice? Gross
@@bombomos that's not what they said
“You’re the only one who doesn’t fall at my feet” is like “you’re the only one whose mind I can’t read” In twilight
"Am I just one of your conquests!?"
"No! You're the ✨only one who doesn't fall at my feet✨"
"...soooo when I do fall at your feet, will I THEN be just one of your conquests? Since the only thing making me different from the rest will be void I mean"
Omg good catch! It's the whole self-insert Mary Sue type deal where the main character is somehow ✨extra special ✨. It's icky.
And the cringe lines “what makes this any different?” “Cuz I’m with you…” BARF. That’s not an actual reason. You’re going to feel “different” with each person you date, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re “The One”.
@greatsm2videl 100% agreed! On the one hand I'd say that they're teenagers and too young to know that already, but on the other hand I don't think it's the responsible thing to do to give that argument weight in movies that teenagers will use to model their life after. They could've used that teenage naivete to teach kids a lesson instead of just letting it hang there as if it's indeed a good reason. I don't think it should be reinforced.
"You don't fall at my feet.. because you're small, you're already at their level! Look at you! You're like a Flea! A tiny little flea... I'm sorry what were we talking about?"
Alan yelling at the screen "WHY ARE YOU SO BAD AT FILMMAKING?!?!" I laughed way too hard
One of the biggest plot questions to me is what is Noah's history with women/relationships. Lee jumps to think he hit L, says just another girl you picked up from the club, says don't hurt her in a way that sounds like he may have witnessed Noah hurt someone bad, saying she has no idea what she's gotten into and the therapy for his temper. It truly makes it sound like Noah may have abused someone he was dating or had a fling with and Lee knows.
Maybe Noah was aggressive to their mom.
@@shakiramarie5055 that could be too
And generally, even if Noah hasn't had a history of abusing his romantic partners, it's still entirely reasonable that Lee would think Noah would be because Noah is still like that outside of relationships.
He gets into fights with other guys constantly, his first reaction when Lee accused him of hurting Elle wasn't to try and explain himself but to attack his own brother, and even before him and Elle were a thing, he was showing abusive tendencies, with the whole trying to control her life, threatening other boys into not dating her, slamming his hand on his car and forcing her to get inside (and then promptly taking her to a secluded area where they are out of the view of witnesses instead of taking her home), etc etc.
Even without the idea in mind that he's been abusive to his partners before, it's completely believable that he would be because every moment of this movie could make him pass as a serial killer in the making.
you calling elle L is so funny
Johnathan and Alan suffer for our entertainment, they really do
From twilight to kissing booth. I wonder what's next
Preach, I wonder if they'll tackle "50 Shades" next, but maybe that would be TOO cruel!
But man do they entertain us
@@trinaq they’ve said multiple times that they aren’t going to do 50 shades
@@chubbyanimalenthusiast70 they sure do
The way Lee talks about how his brother got everything while sitting in a convertible 🙈 THE PRIVILEGE
YES. That whole snippet of the scene really bothers me, because while Lee is portrayed as the "nice, vanilla guy" (as Alan and Jono phrase it 😅), this scene shows he has some ridiculously toxic traits, too. He is petty, and entitled, and possessive, just to a lesser degree than Noah. And sure, he's rightfully hurt and upset in this scene, but it's still pretty sad to see these underlying beliefs in the "good" guy.
yep
I know, these are all rich kids and it pisses me off. They yell from their ivory towers like they have it so rough. Gimme a break.
OMG WAIT this is so true 😂
@RedRoseSeptember22 ivory towers 👌👌👌 i like that. gotta remember to use that
The way lee immediately jumped to the conclusion that Noah was abusing Elle, his reaction to being restrained by him, his general hatred and distress towards his brother, the way he gets so very emotional about them dating like extremely upset along with the bit where he says ‘she dosent know what she’s getting herself into with you.’ It all gives me very weird and worrying vibes about maybe what he’s seen Noah do to other women or maybe even him.
I was also highly amused and confused when she was sobbing over Noah actually doing the right thing by restraining Lee, but really, it's just another thing that reinforces how unhealthy the relationship and Noah himself are. Elle is in so much distress that she can't even recognize Noah has zero intention of hurting his own brother. She can't see anything but Noah's history of violence and his current anger, even when he's right in front of her doing nothing except stopping Lee from physically hurting anyone including himself. It honestly kind-of-a-lot-sucks that what Elle took from that is "being with you hurts the people I care about and I can't do that" instead of something like "you've hurt too many people, and I *won't* tolerate that no matter how much I care about you/you care about me"!
Or "this is way too stressful, im out of here".
it was not the right thing at all
Joey King was about 17 when they filmed the first movie, and it really disturbs me how often they contrived to get her naked, or to various states of undress. It's bad enough that a teenage character was being sexualised, but it's even worse when the actress was also a minor. They even tried to play the entire incident off as a joke in the third movie.
@DUMMIE Yes, sadly, they greenlit not just one sequel, but TWO! It was likely due to how many people watched the first film, even out of hate viewing. They even filmed both sequels at the same time.
Oh that fact is making me ill they literally showed her in a mini skirt with a shot of her panties.ugh...
Same with Christopher Mintz-Plasse in Superbad. Really heartbreaking. :(
@dummie7232 yup. Two more. And they are somehow even worse than the first one. At the end of the third one they even play the sexual harassement ad a joke
Wait, what?! Jesus why are people so creepy?? How hard is it to
A. not write sexualized scenes for a minor, or
B. hire an actress who's over 18
“He said he’s gone to counseling. Maybe it was part of a plea deal.” You know what, that actually makes a lot of sense
Would you please explain how counseling works as a plea deal?
@@00AgentKrabie Some offenders to get a reduced sentence in court will accept a plea deal which stipulates they are required to go to counseling for X period of time.
@@melissak118 Like how Matt Damon's character in Good Will Hunting had to get therapy after his shit hit the fan. And in Wednesday how she got therapy after not showing remorse after almost killing a few kids at her school.
I love the fact that Alan is appalled at the contents of the movie AND at the cinematography 😅
He gagged all the way through.
When he slammed on the roof the car and screamed, “Get in the car Elle!” I was genuinely afraid for her safety.
"He's eight feet taller than me...is that love?" I'm dying. Thanks for slogging through this guys, it made me laugh out loud a lot.
"We had sex a bunch, so that's love, right?" Ouch, lol
Something else to notice is that she gets "prettier" when she is with him. Her hair looks healthier, her clothes nicer...just to reinforce the message that the relationship with him is a good thing for her.
YIKES! Good catch.
I hadn't noticed this
Like the meme says, “Disgusting!”
Yikes
That's bullshit. Abusive relationships drain you of everything. This is marketed to teens!
I remember how this movie made me so uncomfortable and I couldn’t verbalize why. Thank you for putting those feelings to words. Also, the way she has to keep talking to him like he’s a bad dog is cringy. “Noah, stop!” “Look at me!” “Stay here!” “Get off of him!”
Yes!!! I felt the same way! I can just picture him walking back to her for a treat when he does as she commands. 🤦♀️
So glad that you guys addressed when Lee said he didn’t “have her”.
Sooo problematic.
Even worse her calls her "thing" the one "thing" he didnt have
I feel like we'll have better lives because we notice those things.
right. you dont own people, they do things and have interests regardless of what you think or want for them. I get Lee not wanting elle to get with his brother for his issues and how weird it might feel, but the fact that he’s THIS adamant and genuinely betrayed by it is crazy. I just chuckled at how teary-eyed he got when he first left. really comedic that he thought he was entitled to her relationships.
@@valerienagle7065 when he refers to Elle as the one "thing" he (lee) had and his brother didn't, is doesn't mean he's objectifying her or anything, he's just saying she is the one part of his life he was able to live without being overshadowed by his brother
Yeah, the wording is poor but the sentiment is genuine.
I honestly didn't realize how warped my idea of a healthy/cute relationship was until I watch you guys. I'm 15 now and all those years of twilight/kissing booth or other shows like them messed me up. Thank you for opening my eyes XD
That's ruff buddy.
Same
Glad you're learning at a young age
I'm so happy for you that now people of your age have resources like this to teach them about healthy relationships 💖 Many of us (including myself) unfortunately have had to learn the hard way and have the scars to prove it. I just turned 29 yesterday, and I now know what Cinema Therapy is educating people on, but I had to learn by being hurt and traumatized a lot and it makes me so, so happy to see people like you on here giving me hope that the next generation hopefully won't have to suffer as much as we did ❤️ And I am so proud of you for coming to these realizations and reflecting on your own ideas! That's an immensely valuable life skill! ❤️
But good thing that you're figuring it out so early! I think it takes a lot of people well into their 20s. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to make mistakes, but it will probably at least save you from, dunno, marrying at 18 or staying with someone who's violent
I have despised movies like this forever, but watching it this way is hilarious. And it gives me plenty of ammunition to shoot at friends that think these relationships are desirable.
"I am going to prove I did not hit her by shoving her out of the way and hitting you!" ~ that was gold
@@PokeMadness1996 Pretty sure its just you lol, but I respect that your opinion isn't easily changed by others (i still haven't got the guts to tell others i like the starwars sequals shhh), you do you buddy!
@PokeMadness1996 i dont mind you liking it, you do you. But i think even you can admit that the relationship is extremely toxic
@@PokeMadness1996this is a weird take because it’s assuming that all criticisms of the movie are discarding potentially charming aspects of it. They made three movies, obviously there are people who like it. But this is not a channel about redeeming qualities, it’s addressing issues in the film that reference social problems in our culture. Abusive dynamics in relationships in movies shouldn’t be overlooked for the sake of the good parts that make them fun to watch, because those dynamics can be recreated in real relationships and people, in a real way, need to be aware and to look out for them and to not romanticize them because they cause real harm.
What an amateur. Everyone knows the way to prove it is to say hi to Mark.
@Schu0086 Yeah but sometimes they overanalyze things.
Like him shouting for her to get in the car. What was the alternative, letting her walk home by herself at night? I suppose he could've called her a taxi or whatever, but atleast if he takes her home he knows she'll be safe, instead of sending her with a total stranger, or letting her walk home at night.
'There's a warrant out for your arrest..' I basically burst out laughing for a perfect summary of Noah.
When she said to Lee, "I didn't mean for this to happen" I am actually surprised Lee didn't ask her if she "wasn't forced" into anything considering how badly Lee thinks of his brother. After all, Lee thought a minute before she had been hit.
there's usually a big gap between "abuser" and "rapist" for most people.
"It's in my nature to get violent."
"Did you get violent with her?"
"How dare you-"
"*Slam* GET IN THE CAR ELLE" terrifies me every time it happens (I've seen many reactions to this movie). I would not get in that car. It is way too dangerous. I would run to the nearest populated place and call people I trust to come and get me because that man is not safe.
EXACTLY! And even if you decide to get in the car just because you're not sure if you could outrun him safely, leave at the first possible safe moment and never come back. That's just an irreparable red flag to me. If someone chooses to use violence (and I count that as violence, or the threat of violence) to ignore the boundary you've just set and force you to relinquish that boundary and do what they want instead, that's a major problem and not just an imperfection. That says something about the kind of person they are. That tells me instantly they're not the kind of person to respect or even understand your boundaries. Let alone when the emotions are running even higher than in that situation.
Apart from everything else, I would be nervous about getting in a car with a driver who's that angry *regardless* of our relationship.
@@DanThePropMan Yeah that's fair, definitely an accident waiting to happen!
Yeah! I don’t care how good looking I think the guy is, the moment he starts basically threatening violence against me, my attraction is going straight to 0, and I am cutting him out of my life!
the fact that you guys are talking about how awkward the height difference is when they’re kissing and they actually dated for a while in real life is funny to me. also i love u guys!
Yeah, I'm 5'1" and my partner is 6'7" so the height gap isn't weird to me but I know how it looks to others. We get comments all of the time
I'm 170 cm (5'7) and my bf is 200 cm (6'7), and let me tell you, the height difference is really awkward, my neck hurts every time I look him in the eyes and hurts even more when we kiss. I need a portable apple box to carry around
"because I'm pregnant Elle" was probably exactly why she stayed with Noah 😭🖐️
As someone who’s been ‘claimed’ 3 times I bloody hate it.
I thought I was disgusting and horrible all through highschool and college cause no one ever asked me out. Nope- one of the guys in each ‘friend’ group claimed me and all the other guys scared off anyone who was interested in me. Of course no one told me until years later. I wasn’t interested in either guy so nothing ever happened, but cause I was claimed no one else could date me.
Another guy claimed and stalked me….
And people wonder why I’ve never had a serious relationship and have trust issues
Oh that's messy and fked up
I hope you are better now
An ex gf of mine had this happen to her, too. The guy that "claimed" her sat me down and tried to threaten me to keep my distance from her.
What a disgusting group of friends. I’m sorry
Wait a sec, I don't get it. You have trust issues from not being a relationship?
My problem with female characters like Elle is the fact that their whole personality and likeability is based on their lack of self-respect. The clinging pushover act is shown as virtues like loyalty, patience, and perseverance and that is not okay. If your s.o. and b.f.f. constantly treat you like a doormat you shouldn't stick it outbecause one day it'll get better, cut them off with a quickness and move on.
Well said! It's such a toxic and pervasive idea.
Oh yeah! One, soon, it will get worse! Run! 🚩
I’d be so much more into seeing a protagonist like this if they get to grow, gain self-respect, and DITCH THE AWFUL PARTNER
Yup yup yup yup yup. As someone who was like that before, and was made to think by everyone that I should stay that way, that I was good that way, this movie is so dangerous. Girls and people like Elle exist. And they need all the help they can get to get themselves the fuck out of that pit. They'll die there if they don't. This movie can, and very likely has, ruined lives.
That sticks true for After's Tessa, 50 shades' Ana, and 365 days' Laura... I'm sure the list goes on.
“There’s a warrant out for your arrest” I SCREAMED OUT LAUGHING 😂
I actually like the fact that they made them different heights and didn't try to fix that with a box. People of different heights can be attracted to each other and that's what it actually looks like. I don't like that there's no representation for that in media. I am super short and I appreciated this being shown.
I agree, and in a movie featuring a healthy relationship I'd have loved it. Here it just adds to the feeling of him dominating and taking advantage of her.
I just want to thank you two for teaching me about healthy relationships. I'm 14 and I learn so much from you guys! Please keep up the good work ❤
I'm so glad that you're learning about healthy relationships, who says that TH-cam can't be educational?
@@trinaq ikr!
Agreed! I've learned so much from these guys and TH-cam in general
It's awesome that, especially at your age, you're figuring out what to look for in a healthy relationship. Definitely keep that perspective!
Same, but I'm 16. They're really a good influence. I have not only learned about good relationship, but also about cinema, phycology and english!
While I appreciated that they kept Elle and Lee as simply friends, their friendship still seems majorly exhausting. He flips out if she breaks one of the rules that they made when they were small children, and insists that Elle stop seeing Noah, not seeming to care if it makes her unhappy.
Thank you for actually noticing this! The whole angle of the rules overall is super misogynistic and controlling towards Elle! And it's always bugged me that people hold this up as their one example of male-female friendship in teen movies when complaining about the friends to lovers trope
I mean, not dating someone of their family is a boundary a lot of people have for their friends. It gets too complicated, most of the times the friend ends up caught up in the middle when there is trouble with the couple and it's overall more drama than happiness, so most people don't like mixing things
@@Fan_Girl-xd8wy I wouldn't generalize like that if you don't know for sure, but I kinda get your point. The only issue I have with it in the context of this film at large, is that because of the rest of Lee's rule list, and the general vibe of both his and Noah's relationship with Elle, is that it is SUPER misogynistic, selfish and controlling
Oh and that gets so much worse in the 3rd movie
Exactly. What kind of friend is that? Plus refuses to forgive her (breaking one of the rules himself, I think?).
Honestly, I thought that kind of toxic, dramatic, intense, and tangling relationship is what American teenagers have until I came to study in the States, and knew a bunch of friends who were as academically stressed and had very little time to spare for all those dramas... When I was watching this, I did wonder how they got so many good offers haha...Don't know why teen movies seldom celebrate normal, easy-going, gentle guys and give them what they deserve. But in real life, the nice guys are usually much more popular than what the movies usually portrayed.
Yes, please do the sequels. Please. 😃 I really enjoy when you dissect romanticized toxicity. It’s so cathartic. 😊
I concur
Yessss I want them to do the second part too
Alan having a conniption over the terrible filmmaking is giving me life.
Like seriously, the therapy is important but Alan makes this series for me.
"There's a warrant out for your arrest" made me laugh way too hard
whispers: We’ve been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty
@@jilliankruse01 whispers: _It's free real estate_
Thank you, Internet Dads, for enduring this torture so I don't have to. Haven't seen Kissing Booth, and now I know I'm not missing anything 😂
Part 2 was pretty decent. The new guy is delicious and dances really well too!
This movie is people pleasing at its finest with Elle... She wants to be with Noah (despite the toxicity) but is refraining because it makes other people unhappy. She makes herself miserable to please other people. Throughout ALL three movies, Elle literally puts the happiness of EVERY other person in her life above what she needs because she is so wrapped up in people pleasing and keeping the peace.
Specifically all the men in her life, which makes the messaging even worse because now it’s caked in this foundation of utter misogyny and it’s DISGUSTING
@@Overseer2579 written by a girl
My college roommate was in a scary situation with her boyfriend at the time who took her on a car ride and got really angry while not telling her where they were going, so at a stoplight she got out and ran. This movie and Noah remind me so much of that.
How did that end?
ok crap that's scary
His anger is extremely dangerous. It's truly not a big leap to assume that she might someday do something to her, but even if he never would, that doesn't mean she'll feel safe. If someone who has a violent temper screams at you to get in the car and clearly expresses physical aggression, run to where people are! Stay safe and far away!
I am a woman with anger issues and the most terrifying thought to me is hurting anyone, especially a loved one. I can see my husband shut down and emotionally disconnect when I even raise my voice.
She evidently already doesn't feel safe around him. That's clear from her body language when he slams the car etc. I agree that the risk of him someday doing something to her is incredibly high. People who lose their temper are unpredictable, precisely because losing your temper means losing the ability to make rational decisions. And once rationality is out the door...
Tell that to Betty Ross
@@MerelvandenHurk I don't even think it's losing your temper. To me, losing your temper is just another term for getting really angry, lots of us lose our tempers every day, that's just a thing that happens. The issue for me is that even when you're angry, you need to maintain healthy boundaries with yourself about things you will and will not do with that anger. Noah repeatedly demonstrates that the line is not "i will not turn my anger towards violence", it is "i will not turn my anger towards violence against *these people*", and i think (and i'm pretty sure elle and lee think, too) that it's only a matter of time before he crosses that boundary as well.
I once read a therapist's account of running a group therapy session for domestic abusers. In it, one of the participants talked about how he'd gotten into a fight with his wife in the kitchen and he said he just lost it, he couldn't control himself, he hit her.
The therapist said, well, you were in the kitchen, why didn't you grab a knife and stab her?
What are you talking about, the man said, i would never, i'm not a monster.
The therapist replied, oh, so you do have some control over yourself.
Losing your temper is inevitable. Getting violent when you lose your temper is a choice.
Physical abuse can actually entail stuff like erratic displays of anger in order to intimidate. Stuff like punching walls, throwing things, and, yes, Noah slamming his hands on his car while yelling at Elle, would definitely be hinging on physical abuse or at least HUGE warning signs of abuse down the line.
This movie definitely deserves some credit for making Lee bad as well. Normally, Lee would be the "nice, vanilla, and boring" love interest, but the fact that he was actually possessive of Elle and also had some anger issues was a nice twist. Plus, there are some interesting comparisons to be drawn between Lee and Noah. Once Lee snaps, you can see some clear similarities between them, the main difference is that Noah is a lot more obvious about the type of person he is, or perhaps Lee simply hasn't had a chance to become fully garbage due to always being behind his brother. Thinking of it that way, Lee is actually scarier than Noah. At least with Noah, he's a giant walking red flag labeled "STAY AWAY". With Lee it's much harder to tell and you might already be in a relationship before he reveals just how bad he is.
I think you are giving Noah WAY too much credit
@@evanbeinstein5102 How am I giving him too much credit? I'm not saying he's good. I'm just saying that it's easier to get out of a toxic relationship the earlier it is, and someone who is obviously bad allows you to hit the emergency exit sooner than someone who takes some time to show their true colors.
Noah and Lee are both garbage, it's just that Noah is an easier to get rid of type of garbage.
Probably at least. I ain't a relationship expert, nor do I know the exact difficulties of exiting a toxic relationship.
@kylerivera3470 I meant it more as Noah seems much more toxic than Lee. Not to say Lee is some golden boy, he is controlling over Elle and his violent reaction wasn't warranted, but Noah is all of Lee's flaws times a hundred. Lee fights with his (probably abusive) brother and just asks Elle to not date him. Noah threatens every man who was interested in her so he would be her only option, he fistfights anyone who so much as makes Elle uncomfortable, he slams the car and yells at her when she isn't "obedient." I just don't feel like the two are comparably toxic.
@@evanbeinstein5102 Not now maybe, but we don't really know how toxic Lee could become. The thing with Lee is that he never had a chance to become truly toxic because he was always in his brother's shadow. Give Lee freedom and power and he could very well become as bad as Noah, or perhaps even worse since he's probably more desperate for control after lacking it for so long.
Basically, with Noah you have a pretty good idea of how bad he is while Lee is more of a wildcard. Both are bad, but at least it's easy to tell that you should avoid Noah while Lee might take some time to show his true colors.
I'm not saying Lee is a Saint or anything, but I can KIND OF see his point of view? Hear me out 😅 the implication is that Noah has bullied Lee all his life. He's taller, stronger, popular with the ladies and very clever (entry to Harvard and all). Plus Noah has these anger issues, I'm pretty sure the film says he's had them since he was a kid. So not only would he likely direct that anger towards Lee but he'd suck up all the attention from the parents, because they'd be trying to deal with Noah's behaviour. Now imagine you're a kid dealing with physical and verbal abuse from your older brother, watching him get everything he wants and watching your parents pour all their attention into him. Your main support system, the one person you can confide in, is your best friend, and then you find out she's willingly entered into a relationship with your abuser. I'd snap too under those circumstances. That being said, I don't think the film portrays this well AT ALL. Because the tone of this film is light-hearted teen rom-com, and you're supposed to ROOT for Noah, Lee's outburst seems completely out of place and over the top. This film SHOULD have been a drama told from Lee's perspective, about how damaging sibling abuse can be.
It's interesting what Lee says in reaction to them being together. "She doesn't know what she's gotten herself into."
Lee has had his whole life to see Noah's violent tendencies. But it's played off like he's being unreasonable to check that Noah hasn't put his hands on Elle.
“This film gave my brain a UTI” and “I don’t think it’s even a bar; I think it’s a pit in the ground that they just stepped across” are going in the old think-tank.
I wish this could be retooled as a movie to call out all the unhealthy abuse where Elle's friends (and especially the brother) make her understand how abusive Noah is and help her get out of the relationship.
The brother would have to recognize his own negative behavior. Would be a cool story where one changes and the other doesn’t.
@@ma.2089 Lee would be far more likely to change than Noah would.
There are a lot of movies out there that could be rewritten to be darker, but healthier, and no more boring, if not less. It's almost like Harvey Weinstein was a symptom and not the disease.
I think you should cover My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I'm not Greek, but I'm Latina on my mom's side, so my parents' wedding was almost exactly like Toula and Ian's wedding where they got married in her church and her family took up an entire side while his side was just a handful of people 😂 (They got married in Panama because that's where my mom grew up and where they met, while my dad was from the United States and met my mom while he was in the Air Force)
Anyway, I think there's a lot to cover in MBFGW, one of the obvious things being the culture shock between Ian's vanilla American family and Toula's Greek family that is portrayed throughout the movie as the embodiment of pure chaos. On top of that, Toula spends a good chunk of the movie being ashamed of her family and culture, but she eventually turns around and embraces them, in large part because Ian embraces them so wholeheartedly out of his desire to be part of the family that he's marrying into.
Also, I love the part where Ian realized that Toula was the server at the restaurant because he didn't recognize her post-glowup. When she says that she was Frump Girl, he just said, "I don't remember Frump Girl, but I remember you." I almost literally swooned lol. It undercuts the rom-com stereotype of the girl who isn't conventionally attractive getting a glowup and suddenly she matters. Sure, her confidence goes up, and that's probably what helped Ian take interest in her, but he already liked her personality before she changed her appearance, even if it didn't equate to an immediate love connection. The movie also makes a point in showing that Toula is already smart and determined pre-glowup--she just didn't have the confidence at first to stand up to her family (especially her father) to make her life what she wanted it to be.
i don’t know if you would ever actually watch it, but one of my favourite platonic male-female friendships ever put on screen is Carter (Dan Byrd) and Sam (Hilary duff) from “a Cinderella story”.
They don’t have a falling out the whole time and they genuinely show love and warmth without it seeming romantic at all. They are both super supportive of each other and it’s honestly the first m/f platonic relationship I ever saw on screen.
It was also the first time I saw a female protagonist unapologetically call out the romantic interest on his crap and actually mean it/make it convincing - that speech is iconic
(Also Jennifer Coolidge is the evil stepmother which is enough of a selling point on its own)
Also:
NOT THE “A Monster Calls” CLIP 😭😭😭 (which, btw, would have made a great alternative title for this movie)
my ex husband was a lot like Noah except the rich part. He ended up hitting me and worse. I had times I thought he was going to unalive me. These movies teach people to ignore the warning signs. I really appreciate you guys pointing out what should be obvious but unfortunately isn't. Thank you.
Really glad you're away from that now. Best wishes on your path to healing.
Yes, this!! Thank you for sharing and the warning 💚
I feel you and Im glad to hear he is your ex. My ex husband also displayed this type of behavior and I left before me hit me, but it is so scary when you see this behaviour NOT romantic.
I'm glad you got out of there! Godspeed on your path to healing!
I'm really sorry to hear you went through this, but I'm really proud of and happy for you that you found the strenght to get the fuck out of there. Best wishes for your future
I’d love to see the ‘to all the boys’ films in comparison - they came out around the same time. Both teen love stories.
YES
My gosh, yessss
I was just thinking that 😭
Me too! I'd especially like to hear Jono's take on the sister relationships in "To All The Boys"--some of the most realistic sibling relationships I've seen in movies in a while.
to all the boys is incomparable to this mess of a film. I'm biased tho 😴
Jonothan, Alan, PLEASE do an Irish movie called "Song Of The Sea" next!! There is so much imagery and emotion in this movie, with a grieving father and his 2 kids living on an island without their mom, its an amazing movie, and has given me so many emotions. I laughed, and cried, and this movie was just so beautiful. The art style is soft and cartoony, and the music is native to Ireland, so it gives the movie an Irish feel, since it's primarily based on an Ireland folktale with selkies. Please give this a watch!
Day 1 of asking for Song of The Sea
Yes, please!!! I love this movie.
YES YES YES.
Basically everything from Cartoon Saloon would be so cool for them to watch.
Oh yes! If we're talking Song of the Sea, we/they HAVE to look at Wolfwalkers. Sean Bean gets to live a happy life!
We love that one!
Yeeeeeees, please
Something that bothers me immensely about movies like this (and scenes in other modern media such as games) is that the actors always portray as "victims of love". As if when two people fall in love, they just can't help but be irresponsible and often harmful to one another in every possible way in the face of looming consequences, and in the last ten minutes, it all magically ends up happy despite being based almost entirely on physical attraction.
I can't say I've been in love yet, or in a romantic relationship, but to my understanding:
> loving someone also means *caring about* and being there for them, not just wanting them - a tragic, but easily avoidable, limitation of using the same word "love" for physical interaction, platonic closeness, and actual relationship.
> They also miss out on the whole *choice* aspect of love - like choosing to care and be loyal and respectful after an argument, or choosing to stop and figure out a resolution together before proceeding.
> There is no "I feel so-and-so about this" discussion, mostly accusatory shouting followed somehow by passionate kissing?!
> There is rarely accountability or growth. For example, Noah says sorry for being violent, then brushes off the idea of changing. Later, he maybe doesn't punch his brother back, but is physically restraining him really that much different. Its a humiliating strength-flex with no admission that maybe Lee has a reason for reacting like that, or that Noah might be in the wrong about something.
The whole thing just promotes a misunderstanding of love and conflict resolution to viewers, especially young viewers.
Exactly. The people who say love makes you crazy don't know what they're talking about. Most couples who love each other are sane and rational.
When I was in college, my professor spoke about his marriage. It had been an arranged marriage for him and I had grown up knowing that I would opt for an arranged marriage myself. So he said that love is a choice. He chose to love her and he chose to be a good husband to her. And when they lost their daughter, they were able to stand together.
When I got married, it was arranged, it didn't work out. He broke my heart and I got divorced. I married again, it was also arranged and I chose to trust him after my terrible first experience. It has been a continuous process. We have fights. There are days where we scream and cry yet, through it all, we choose each other. Over and over, we choose to listen and understand and change our behaviour and better ourselves. That is what it means to love someone.
Unfortunately, it is just not that dramatic and so not many movies show this process.
One thing that “Kissing Booth” and “Twilight” have in common, they both make therapist and filmmaker cry
Yeah crying in pain and only some of us can only understand the frustration and pain that they understand
"We lie/conceal things out of fear. But the fact is, the truth comes out, so you could control it by getting in front of it."
I love this quote so much!
So do I! And it's so very true. The truth will inevitably come out, and it will never come out in a way that's gonna put you in a good light. If people find out through other means than you telling them, they have no way to trust that you would tell them things openly and honestly. Maybe you would've told them later, but they can't know that. And if you tell them yourself, you have control over how you tell them and when, and can make it come as less of a shock than if people just find out on their own. You can immediately do damage control, and you show them that you'll tell the truth even if it would make you look bad. And that builds a lot of trust.
I've had some traumatic experiences with partners in my past, and literally the only reason I trusted my most recent ex (who is just the best guy I've ever met, and we're still good friends, we just grew apart) is that he on several occasions told the truth even when it made him look bad and even when it would hurt my feelings. So I knew that he wasn't the kind of person to hide things to either spare my feelings or save his own skin. And if the truth would hurt my feelings, he made sure to show up and put in the work and be there for me to help me work through it. We have a saying in Dutch, "wie z'n gat brandt, moet op de blaren zitten", which means as much as "if you burn your ass you have to sit on the blisters". And he was the epitome of that.
If we hadn't been in those situations, I wouldn't trust that he'd always tell me the truth. To this day he is still the only person I trust to always give me 100% the truth, no matter what.
@@MerelvandenHurk this is so beautiful!
@funfings842 Thank you! I'm forever grateful that I have him in my life. We're absolutely not a good fit as partners anymore, we just developed in different directions and that's fine, we both agreed on ending it, but we learned so much from each other and became such better people from it. I just wish everyone could have an experience like that. Well, actually, I wish no one has to have the opposite experience. It's honestly quite heartbreaking to realize that people like that are rare instead of the norm. But I do my best to lead by example and people like Jono and Alan are doing amazing work to educate people 💖
Yup
And the longer you leave it the worse things are when it comes out. It’s giving yourself more rope for when you trigger the trap door of truth.
This movie reminds me of a movie I watched in my high school health class. I can't remember if we were doing a segment directly related to this or if they were just using the health class taught by the PE teacher as an excuse to have students watch this. I can't remember the name of it or even names of characters atm, but like lots of things in high schools, it starts with the Female Lead is crushing on the Male Lead.
It starts out okay, he played a sport, she's like a cheerleader or something, they end up dating. But then he starts acting different. Telling her who she can hang out with, policing how she dresses-I remember in particular she wore a shorter skirt to school for him, but of course other people saw her in it too. One of the guys in the locker room made a comment on her looking hot and ML's response was to tell FL to never do it again, even straight up calling her a slut for showing herself off in front of other guys.
He got physically violent with her too. At one point after starting to isolate her from the others, while they were walking to his car he straight up hit her. I can't remember if it was implied he'd done it before, but this time multiple their friends saw him do it. Which of course causes a schism between them all.
There's also FL's mom, who has a partner, iirc dad passed away and this is a new guy. This guy is abusive and horrible to her, too, but Mom wasn't breaking up with him, i forget the stated reason why. When Mom finds out FL's relationship with ML turned toxic, Mom tries to convince her daughter that she needs to break up with him. FL says something akin to "You don't get to talk to me about abuse while you're still with him." This ends up being the trigger/wake-up call for the Mom to cut her toxic guy out of her life, and that in turn is a big step in the FL doing the same with the ML
The friend group got divided into essentially those that believed the abuse happened and those who didn't. Situations then transpired where the FL ended up being in the same place as the ML again, and he was supposed to be giving her a ride home-with someone else in the car with them. But the ML didn't take her directly home. He took them to the local lake. And he insisted that she talk to him. Alone. And she agrees. And the extra actually stays with the car.
And then the ML comes back to the car. Alone. With blood all over his hands. He killed her in a "If I can't have you no one can" rage when she wouldnt take him back.
The movie culminates in a trial. Some of the kids still side with ML, saying things like "But he was never like this before dating her; it's her fault she changed him." But ML is, of course, convicted. The judge ends up calling out a lot of what the kids did wrong, like not doing anything when they started suspecting abuse, letting her be anywhere alone with him. The overall message as I remember it was to highlight all these toxic, dangerous behaviors and tell the viewer what not to do. I'm pretty sure the movie was specifically made for the purpose of making kids watch to educate them on abusive relationships.
All this to say that SO MUCH of this movie is like the one I saw in high school. The controlling behavior, the aggression, slamming his fist on the car, "I wanna show you something" instead of taking her home-I genuinely kept having to remind myself that this was not the same movie.
TL;DR: This movie reminded me of an abuse awareness movie I saw in high school to the point I genuinely forgot at points that Noah doesn't kill her in the end.
I'm really curious on what that movie is. Can you give me a few details you remember and maybr I can try figure it out? Like, when did you watch it/how old was it? Was it British, American or smth else? Any face you remember and know the actor to? Anything and everything you can think of, really
No One Would Tell (1996) ?
Based on a true story too
@@sagaesjohansson Yep! that's the one. i got some details wrong on premise, like him being a wrestler not a football player, but that's definitely the movie i was thinking of
There are two versions of the film No One Would Tell (1996) and (2018)
see, the thing for is that... I think both brothers are terrible for elle. they're both manipulative and prone to violence. the difference really is that noah is the mountain sibling while lee is the stickman. but watching this movie the first time, I was more concerned over how manipulative lee is of elle, than really of the in-your-face noah's-ness. it was the way lee wanted to manipulate elle's every move, how he talked for her and over her. how, hell, the moment he sees her in noah's room? that moment? he *never* spoke to elle. he simply ignored her and talked to his brother. I honestly wanted elle out of both of their clutches but sadly that didn't happen. and worse is that both guys get painted as being "valid" in their horribleness
Yes
“To All The Boys I’ve Loved Before” and “Sierra Burgess is a Loser” would be nice to see y’all break down especially when it comes to discovering yourself through your relationships, parents’ impact on children even after they’ve passed, coping mechanisms for high school feelings, reasons why people catfish, etc.
YES PLS
Omg Sierra Burgess is a loser made me so mad.
yea these yes
Yes I'd LOVE to see them react to All the Boys. Imo it's a quality franchise and I'd love to hear their thoughts. Plus I think Alan would have some interesting things to say about the cinematography because they do shots really interestingly and the sets are neat.
Ditto!
I’m probably not the only one to notice this, but just like The Notebook, the lead’s name is also Noah and he also has a “who cares about hurting other people, WHAT DO YOU WANT?” line.
I was waiting for them to splice the scenes together! But I totally missed the fact they have the same name!
I was LOOKING FOR THIS. I totally noticed that they were trying to make this a modern day "The Notebook", but it's all wrong and even that movie had its problems as pointed out by these guys in a previous episode!
Oh man I just remembered that and I also watched the video on the Notebook too.
So glad y'all did this one because that scene with the car, and later the one where the brothers fight and Lee actually thinks Noah hit her are just the pinnacle of red flags. I have a visceral reaction to the car scene, completely triggers my fight or flight (and i guess fawn, which seems to be Elle's reaction) and the movie just COMPLETELY GLOSSES OVER IT and even ROMANTICIZES IT. It makes it seem like the reason Lee has that rule about dating siblings is more because of how shitty Noah is.
As much as I would love for you to dissect the next two sequels, I am much more interested in watching you review the trilogy of To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before. I particularly love the family dynamics in it, so wholesome ❤
Very true. And them more or less excluding her father and her sisters in the other movies made them so much worse.
There are sequels to this? Who approved them? Who, who´s actually watched the first film, thought: "Wow. That was so great. Let´s continue this storyline." WHO?
Their scathing sarcasm and red flag waving over this movie is a healing balm to my soul.
Whenever these came out, I said that she was a terrible person, and that the relationship was not good and built like crap. I still stand on that.
You should do Legally Blonde! Such an awesome and and a strong character! Maybe discuss how Elle is able to find herself when thinking she was just trying win back her horrible ex boyfriend.
Yes! I need to see this!
I appreciate that it was a platonic friendship and the younger brother could be jealous without it meaning he was interested in her romantically. As a younger sister of about the same age gap, I was hurt when mutual friends would choose to be closer to my big sis than to me. Especially when we were in high school.
Tho that one plus is not worth putting myself through watching this pile of toxicity. Thanks for putting yourselves through this and please don't forget your aftercare!
I want to watch every bad movie with you two just yelling stuff at the characters 😂😂
The idea of Charlie from twilight editing the one scene to try to inject some Good Dad into this mess - that makes me so so happy
3:46 your voiceover telling Elle to run away while she’s getting away from Noah is just hilarious 😂😂
I'm pretty sure that I have never felt more uncomfortable in my life. That was painful to witness, both the actual film, and their highly accurate reactions to everything.
12:45 reminds me of the quote “The bar was so low, it was a tripping hazard in Hell, yet here you are, limbo dancing with the devil.”
The thing that upsets me about these movies is that. By the end of kissing booth 3 every character becomes toxic and only Noah just grows from being extremely toxic to a mediocre good guy. And Elle and Lee's friendship becomes the most toxic relationship out of all of them
Yes! Thank you! This!
That’s true. I actually enjoyed the fact that Noah grew and stopped the relationship and left, but Elle and Lee (and their friendship) and all got pretty toxic.
Omg three was beyond painful to watch. I mean they all were but it was sort of like "pandemic" mindless crap that I figured I'd just "finish out the series". I'm also not an impressionable teen and I'm actually a mental health professional like Jono so I cringed a lot and saw red flags everywhere from everyone.
@@HouseMDaddict literally that whole movie i was just hoping it ends. Then thankfully they broke up Elle became so toxic thankfully Noah got away from her
@@terra_the_nightingale135 literally i felt so happy that they ended a trilogy without the two main characters getting together one of the only good things they did in these movies . Never thought I would be rooting for Noah but these movies made me really feel sry for him
“He has had SO many opportunities to hit me and he has NOT.” 😂😂😂 Jon you’re crazy for that!
I would love for you guys to cover the rest. My guilty pleasure is having never seen these movies but watching commentary videos to laugh at the insanity. ✌🏻
Anyone else wanting the other 2 Kissing booth movies to be reviewed?
This series is definitely my popcorn crap, but man I love these reaction videos.
Yes.....part 2 was a bit decent and part 3 was crap.... Lol 😅
I love to see a video where you compile the movies where the woman actually had an appropriate and healthy reaction to a toxic or abusive man (if there are enough to compile?) because these movies are really horrifying. Having been in abusive relationships myself, the romanticization of abuse here really feels similar to how it is in a toxic relationship: in both, it's like there's a mirage where it seems loving and they say the right things, but if you stop to think about their actual actions, it's really abusive. (And same goes for non-romantic abusive relationships, like with friends, teachers, or parents.)
I love this idea!
Beauty and the Beast, the animated one.
Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.
Seconded! Although I couldn't even handle Big Eyes because I knew what her husband was gonna do to her before it happened.
The invisible man
I honestly want y'all to look at the Puss in Boots sequel when it comes to streaming or dvd. Like, that movie has so much heart and a lot to say. To me it deserves one of y'all's "hero" in-depth looks.
Plus, it will make him cry. Everyone I've known who went and saw it said the movie made them cry at least once. And it's almost always that little therapy pupper scene.
Im going to see it today! I cant wait!
Me and my sister burst out crying at the "therapy" scene 😭 god that movie is so good
that’s gonna be SUCH a good video if they do it
@@nightowl_ It's great! I hope you enjoy(ed) it!
Yes pleeeeeease! I loved that movie🥰 Death was so iconic too
I just love everything they say in their reactions, but the edits are my favorite. Alan is just freaking hilarious
Did anyone else laugh at “they can kiss but they can’t make out, cause he’s going to need a chiropractor” 😂😂
I think lee’s actor did a good job with the thinking his brother hit her. Because he knows Elle so well he know when she is hiding something. I think that’s why he thought that
"This movie gave my brain a UTI." - Jono, the legend, the icon
After watching a bunch of crime/murder mysteries. The #1 rule for a potential victim…DO NOT LET THEM TAKE YOU TO A SECOND LOCATION. After the guy showed how violent he can be. She really should have jumped out of the car and run to the nearest safety location when he said he wasn’t taking her home. Bc once they have you alone, youre as good as dead.
I say yes, do the other Kissing Booth movies, but I’m also asking for the After movies, which, I think, makes this relationship look healthy.
Yes, those are painful. Still don't know why I watched them eventhough I hated them
I remember watching this movie with my parents when I was sixteen. It was movie night, and we were scrolling through Netflix to find something to watch. They picked out this movie. I asked them before they played it to pick something else, as I had expected it to be bad. But they chose to watch it anyway and told me to give it a chance.
I severely disliked it. I consistently had secondhand embarrassment and was cringing throughout the movie.
But my parents ended up liking it. Said it was "a cute movie."
I still can't get over it to this day.
Sounds like you have a better understanding of healthy relationships. 😊
That's how I felt about watching "Neptune's Daughter" (the movie where "Baby it's Cold Outside" came from). I've always been creeped out by that song but my aunt thought it was a cute and wholesome movie. I watched the movie and now I'm more convinced "Baby It's Cold Outside" is a creepy song 😂
Lol, this is hilarious 🙈
Are your parents ok 😬
No but seriously though, is their relationship shit or are they just the regular kind of brainwashed by shitty romcoms that makes a film like this even remotely successful?
@@footh1013 ugh... I've legit never thought that song was charming. It's controlling and condescending and of course creepy 🤢
I actually have a very good friend who was very similar to Noah in his anger management issues during high school. His older brother committed suicide and he had a lot of anger to resolve. He would get into fights and punch objects (walls, doors.. that sort of thing) when he would get upset. Maybe because of him I am a bit more forgiving of Noah's violent outbreaks.. I was never afraid around my friend during that time, I felt completely safe that he would never harm me, which in Elle's case - having known the guy her entire life, could arguably also be the case.. I should state though that my friend made a point to learn to manage his aggression with sports, Karate, therapy and meditation - which would have been a much healthier - if more mundane and boring - story.
The problem is here : you think healthy as boring (or I completely misunderstood the end of your comment).
Also : losing someone like this is terrible, but that does not justify any shitty behaviour, that just explains it.
I think when op said that the alternative would have been boring he was making that comment in respect to the movie not real life. As in "if noah was to take karate classes or meditate the film would have been less dramatic so, in the eyes of the filmmakers at least, boring"
@@randomme3095 That makes sense.
Even if I personnaly think a movie centered on a man dealing woth trauma and anger issues could be very interesting, it is not the smae type of movie.
I really wanted an anger management montage like that in this movie, and ngl I expected it.
@@blade7y156 I read it as "not cinematic enough for what Hollywood would do in this type of movie" not that they themselves were calling that alternative boring just that it may not draw in the audiences
I learned the word pummel comes from a technique used to bash an armored opponent to death with the pommel of your sword. It was on this documentary about The Talhoffer Treatise, a medieval fight manual. Definitely worth checking out in case you ever find yourself in a judiciary duel to the death.
Moooore. I love these kinds of videos! It's so important to point out toxic relationships in popularized media for those who aren't aware of how toxic what they're consuming is.
Thank you for validating my feelings. I'm a counselor too who works with kids and families and watched this to make sure I knew what kids were watching. I flipped out the whole watch, screaming at the screen. This is not romantic, this is abuse
You mentioned it in the last one wondering why Jacob Elordi keeps getting these roles, saying if he's just a normal dude it must be weird to keep playing these guys. He genuinely seems like a good guy overall. I've seen interviews with him and he seems a pretty soft spoken, down-to-earth kind of guy. He really likes film, historical and otherwise, and he's a pretty good actor imo. I often think about why he gets these kinds of parts and honestly it's probably just his physicality -- he's a big guy 6'5" and he looks imposing on screen. I would also like to note that the casting for his romantic counterparts in both The Kissing Booth and in Euphoria are 15 inches and 11 inches shorter than him, respectively. It creates certain optics that i think are just trying to magnify physical dominance. He just physically happens to fill that space. In some interview, he talked about the focus on his physical presence/size being somewhat frustrating, actually, since it ends up taking up a lot of time that he would prefer to recenter around his performances.
THIS! And I've also real an interview where he talks about both characters saying they are both bad and toxic and that he actually prefers Nate over Noah and people shouldn't romantisize these behaviors
Jono's "It was just a movie!!" really gave me "Was it really all a dream...?" vibes 😂
The thing I hate the most about him hitting the car and yelling is how he switches the anger on and back off again. "Get in the car" said only loud enough so that she can hear it, she doesn't listen, instant anger and violence, she stops and suddenly he lowers his tone, softens, and says please.
He's not just angry and violent, he's using it like a tool to manipulate her. If you'd put that scene in any other movie, it would be used to show how he's an abuser.
Since you mentioned movie suggestions in the genre, I love the To All the Boys I've Loved Before series, but less for the romantic relationship, but more for the bonds between the sisters and the growth Lara Jean goes through as a person. She starts as a homebody and ends willing to leave her safe place for a college separate from her romantic partner.
Love that.
I'd second this, I'd love to see them do To All The Boys I've Loved Before
Oh my gosh I wholehartedly agree! When I was younger I adored the romance aspect, and I still do, but now that I'm older I realized how much Laura Jean matured and grew as a person by the end of the series and I absolutely love her for it.
I thought y’all’s video talking about how Aragorn is The Perfect Man was my favorite, but this takes the cake. Watching Alan’s blood pressure go through the roof while Jono was talking about how terrible Noah is with a smile on his face had me cackling.
I demand 2 more Kissing booths! Sorry, Jono :))) Alan, thank you for the comments about filmmaking - it's super interesting! Love you, internet Dads
I remember seeing clips of The Kissing Booth 2 or even just hearing that there was a second one and my brain started crinkling into a smashed ball like I was aluminum foil.
Also thank you for this! When I was younger I was like "aw flaming toxicity nice" and after learning some of that the hard way, years later watching this is very nice to cringe with others about the movie, as always very education, I plan to share this with everyone I know lmao
After he slammed his hand on the car and shouted at her, "get in the car Elle!" I stopped caring about this relationship. It's not okay at any time to be afraid of your romantic partner. That dynamic should not be romanticized. I wanted Elle to realize how toxic Noah was and fall in love with Lee so bad. Their dynamic, the supportive, fun, loving, relationship with your best friend, that is the kind of love that should be romanticized and celebrated.
Same here, why aren't nice, decent people who respect each other and have fun together, seen as romantic or even sexy ?
@@Crouteceleste I’m just going to say it. It’s rape culture. 🤷🏽♀️ Movies have perpetuated, “it’s sexy when he’s controlling,” or “when he doesn’t take no for an answer that makes it true love,” tropes for decades, and it’s because Hollywood has always been controlled by perverted, sexually deviant men. It’s disturbing how many movies through out the history of films either overtly or covertly perpetuate these ideas that in real world application amount to sexual harassment, and abuse. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
And then there’s gonna be more predictable whining moaning oh how dare they yet again make friends/best friends who are a male a female fall in love cause apparently by now all male and female friends/best friends must be like “obligated” or something to always be solely platonic buddies anyhow falling in love with your opposite sex BFF maybe shouldn’t be treated like it’s such a very bad horrible terrible awful thing and using some kinda almost tantrum-y whining moaning bs like blah blah blah it’s “oVeRuSeD” blah blah blah whatever and maybe falling in love with somebody who might not exactly be your best friend maybe not yet maybe should also be celebrated too maybe
@@Crouteceleste aren’t seen as romantic/sexy by who?
Lots of people talk about how toxic Noah is, but I have just as many problems with Lee. He’s written as the tired “3rd-wheel bestie who gets jealous and possessive when the girl finds a different guy to love” trope, even if he already has a girlfriend. Saying Elle was the only thing he had that his brother didn’t is just as gross to me. He’s not a good friend to her at all. If he actually cared about her feelings and safety, he wouldn’t constantly demand she feel bad FOR HIM in these situations. I hate his character the most, even if the options are all awful.
I agree with you completely. Noah is more of a glowing neon sign than a red flag but Lee is just as possessive and controlling. It's one thing to have healthy boundaries but a list of rules including one dictating who a person can and can't be with? Not okay. Especially if the reason is as objectifying as Lee's was. 🤮 it's like seeing female characters as human beings who deserve bodily autonomy is a foreign concept to the people who make movies like this.
+1
@@brighidmcmullen9577 - Absolutely! It really bothers me that the movie tries to frame Elle as the bad person for lying to Lee, but given how he reacts, I can understand why she did. As someone who values honesty in any relationship, I do think it was wrong that she lied to her friend, but I also don’t blame her for it because of how awful her friend becomes because of it. He was less bothered by the act of lying than about what the lie was. And his whole stance that his girlfriend would be dropped if Elle had any problem with her? There is loyalty to friends and then there is callousness towards other relationships to keep possession of one person. It’s so maddening to watch.
Hi Jonathan and Alan ! Coming back on this video because it's the last one and I wanted to know if you could review at least some parts of the series The Chosen. I feel like there are so much content in it that can be worth analyzing through a psychology view and especially relationship psychology. The theme of forgiveness particularly touched me in that show. Anyway, thank you for your work on this channel, it really is useful and enjoyable, it's in my top 3 TH-cam channel 🥰
( 14:25 ) given his previous actions she's probably terrified that he IS about to hit him in the throat