I have never come across mention of the Salmon of Knowledge before, but it fills out the whole story so much better now! Thank you so much for sharing. Truly. I think this is going to help greatly in my own studies.
Excellent as always. Could you recommend a book(s) you deem to have the best translations for these tales? Or any book list would be helpful. Thank you
Mr. Murphy, this was wonderful. Thank you. I wonder if you know any specifics about Fionn and the hill of Uisneach? I understand there is some connection there and wonder if Finnleasachs Well is somehow related to him?
Slainte. Love your videos. Please could you help me with a question: what colour was the Salmon? I am writing a series of stories featuring Irish mythology and this would be extremely helpful. Much respect 🙏
Thankyou, I love story telling, so much can be gleaned from the symbolism as well as the patterning of the words. Wondering how much oral telling of these tales is left?-- perhaps it can be still found in the West? Very much enjoying all I hear, Lesley x
In FInland, we have a myth on the swan of Tuonela (the land of the dead). The swan is sacred, and the one who kills the swan, will die themselves. The hero Lemminkäinen gets an order to kill the swan. He tries to kill it, but a shepherd kills kills him with a sharp/poignant arms. Lemminkäinen is sliced into pieces, that are spread into the river Tuonela. Lemminkäinen's mother hears the news of the death of her son, and runs to save him. She asks the bee to get honey from the God of heaven, to heal the wounds. The bee flies to God of heaven and gets the honey. Lemminkäinen's mother has gathered her son's limbs together, and puts the honey to his wounds. Lemminkäinen's limbs grow back together, and he wakes up, back into living. Also, the Egyptian Osiris and Isis myth sounds a lot similar.
Thank you so much for this. Fascinating! I have become interested in viewing Noah's PART of the worldwide Flood accounts to be just one out of several that we may rely upon. His regional experiences of that time are limited geographically, while other places saw the flood through differently (Inca account, Peruvian Andes &c.)
It should also be noted that both salmon and hazelnuts are good brain food. The mythologising of these food stuffs can be seen as an ancient form of 'eat your greens' type advice from parent to child. Eat these and you'll be as wise as Finn etc.
Bravo Anthony for breathing real life into this myth. My view,like that of mythographer Joe Campbell, is that a myth always stands in contradistinction to something aberrant in our contemporary mind,body, spirit that urges us towards reconciliation, evolution.. For me, Finglas as bardic poet and seer-had our ancestors had their say- would have been the natural custodian of the Salmons eternal truths, not Finn, a young not so naive warrior youth, into fraud war and attrition. The fraud is that since then, we are neutral in name only. The fact that this wonderful inheritance has suffered so deesply is evident from our contemporary society's inability ' to be honest' about this and everything else inconvenient to the status quo. and the seminal spiritual one, that as Yeats knew, we have lost contact with our ancestors,the guidance of those who have gone before, as Jung found out, the realtime arbiters of our unconscious.
Finn (in its many forms) has an allusion to the color white. Fionn means white hair while Finnegas likely derives from Finn- Éces meaning something like “the white seer”
I have been studying everything Irish for the past 40-50 years.. You pronounce most things differently from the way I learned them.. Is that a dialect or have I been taught wrong.? I'm very interested in pronouncing all words properly.. Thank you..
Robin Conkel-hAnnan ireland has four provinces each with some twist of their own on the irish languege , all in all the pronunciation is correct here and is probably best learned from us irish people we seem to have natural pronunciation for the irish languege
I did learn from Irish people in Ireland and the US.. Also from dictionaries printed in Ireland and videos with Irish speaking people.. The US also has different areas with different pronunciations.. That is why I ,respectfully, asked if that is the case in Ireland.. I also show respect by capitalizing Ireland and Irish.. Which part of Ireland are you from.?
its probably the trickiest aspect of irish in my opinion , if you get the general pronuciation correct im sure you would be understood no problem but is it for your own education you want to know the correct way , im from munster , tipperary to be exact but yet i can understand this man perfectly assuming he uses leinster irish not munster , are you from the u.s ? i love how facinated people outside ireland get about our myths its boggling why they die out in our own homeland
Yes, I'm from Ohio in the US.. It's interesting that you are from Munster.. My husband's people and some of mine are from Clare.. He was first generation, my people have been here since before the American Revolution.. Being here for so long, I am mixed but still mostly Gael.. My son just bought me a DNA test to see if what I've been told about my ancestry is correct.. I grew up hearing myths and legends of Ireland.. I prefer sources written in Ireland and by Irish immigrants.. They're becoming easier to find but pronunciation is a quandary.. I can understand him but it's like me being a hillbilly understanding a New Yorker.. I guess since Ireland is so much smaller I expected less contrast in pronunciation.. Thank you for helping me..
thats actually pretty cool that you would do that much research into your past when most native irish cant tell you past there grand parents , i know myself my surname is tied back to the oneills of ulster i have some distant reletives up north but the main concentration is down south , i never could let it lie about why some are from the original area and some arent , best of luck on further studying its really nice to know outside of ireland even the heritage is being kept together :)
Adam n Eve and salmon of knowledge.... That comparison is uncanny. Even the biblical interpretation is got wrong by most or at least options are limited by most as they stick to the 'she did it!' version. So fintan is a God then!
Man I really look forward to any chance to listen to these stories. thanks so much for doing this and please continue! You have a gift for it.
Aye 10/10 production, although questionable sources leave questions only the wise one could answer
I have never come across mention of the Salmon of Knowledge before, but it fills out the whole story so much better now! Thank you so much for sharing. Truly. I think this is going to help greatly in my own studies.
Excellent as always. Could you recommend a book(s) you deem to have the best translations for these tales? Or any book list would be helpful. Thank you
Mr. Murphy, this was wonderful. Thank you. I wonder if you know any specifics about Fionn and the hill of Uisneach? I understand there is some connection there and wonder if Finnleasachs Well is somehow related to him?
Definitely one of my favorite tales!
Slainte. Love your videos. Please could you help me with a question: what colour was the Salmon? I am writing a series of stories featuring Irish mythology and this would be extremely helpful. Much respect 🙏
I really enjoyed this! Thank you :-)
Fintan sounds very much like Thoth!
Thankyou, I love story telling, so much can be gleaned from the symbolism as well as the patterning of the words.
Wondering how much oral telling of these tales is left?-- perhaps it can be still found in the West?
Very much enjoying all I hear,
Lesley x
fascinating stuff
In FInland, we have a myth on the swan of Tuonela (the land of the dead). The swan is sacred, and the one who kills the swan, will die themselves.
The hero Lemminkäinen gets an order to kill the swan. He tries to kill it, but a shepherd kills kills him with a sharp/poignant arms. Lemminkäinen is sliced into pieces, that are spread into the river Tuonela.
Lemminkäinen's mother hears the news of the death of her son, and runs to save him.
She asks the bee to get honey from the God of heaven, to heal the wounds. The bee flies to God of heaven and gets the honey. Lemminkäinen's mother has gathered her son's limbs together, and puts the honey to his wounds.
Lemminkäinen's limbs grow back together, and he wakes up, back into living.
Also, the Egyptian Osiris and Isis myth sounds a lot similar.
This is also found in the story of Gwion Bach, who burns his fingers and after putting his thumb in his mouth to sooth the pain, receives knowledge.
Thank you so much for this. Fascinating!
I have become interested in viewing Noah's PART of the worldwide Flood accounts to be just one out of several that we may rely upon. His regional experiences of that time are limited geographically, while other places saw the flood through differently (Inca account, Peruvian Andes &c.)
Could these creatures be ancient emblems on shields eg coats of arms ?
Great stuff👍
Great to hear these myths before they are lost in time.
It should also be noted that both salmon and hazelnuts are good brain food. The mythologising of these food stuffs can be seen as an ancient form of 'eat your greens' type advice from parent to child. Eat these and you'll be as wise as Finn etc.
Absolutely. And both important food sources in Prehistory, since the days of hunter-gatherers.
Awesome
Bravo Anthony for breathing real life into this myth. My view,like that of mythographer Joe Campbell, is that a myth always stands in contradistinction to something aberrant in our contemporary mind,body, spirit that urges us towards reconciliation, evolution..
For me, Finglas as bardic poet and seer-had our ancestors had their say- would have been the natural custodian of the Salmons eternal truths, not Finn, a young not so naive warrior youth, into fraud war and attrition.
The fraud is that since then, we are neutral in name only. The fact that this wonderful inheritance has suffered so deesply is evident from our contemporary society's inability ' to be honest' about this and everything else inconvenient to the status quo. and the seminal spiritual one, that as Yeats knew, we have lost contact with our ancestors,the guidance of those who have gone before, as Jung found out, the realtime arbiters of our unconscious.
Fin, Finton, Finigus...? What is the translation of these names? (correct spellinf?)
Fionn, Finneagas.
Finn (in its many forms) has an allusion to the color white. Fionn means white hair while Finnegas likely derives from Finn- Éces meaning something like “the white seer”
I have been studying everything Irish for the past 40-50 years.. You pronounce most things differently from the way I learned them.. Is that a dialect or have I been taught wrong.? I'm very interested in pronouncing all words properly.. Thank you..
Robin Conkel-hAnnan ireland has four provinces each with some twist of their own on the irish languege , all in all the pronunciation is correct here and is probably best learned from us irish people we seem to have natural pronunciation for the irish languege
I did learn from Irish people in Ireland and the US.. Also from dictionaries printed in Ireland and videos with Irish speaking people.. The US also has different areas with different pronunciations.. That is why I ,respectfully, asked if that is the case in Ireland.. I also show respect by capitalizing Ireland and Irish.. Which part of Ireland are you from.?
its probably the trickiest aspect of irish in my opinion , if you get the general pronuciation correct im sure you would be understood no problem but is it for your own education you want to know the correct way , im from munster , tipperary to be exact but yet i can understand this man perfectly assuming he uses leinster irish not munster , are you from the u.s ? i love how facinated people outside ireland get about our myths its boggling why they die out in our own homeland
Yes, I'm from Ohio in the US.. It's interesting that you are from Munster.. My husband's people and some of mine are from Clare.. He was first generation, my people have been here since before the American Revolution.. Being here for so long, I am mixed but still mostly Gael.. My son just bought me a DNA test to see if what I've been told about my ancestry is correct.. I grew up hearing myths and legends of Ireland.. I prefer sources written in Ireland and by Irish immigrants.. They're becoming easier to find but pronunciation is a quandary.. I can understand him but it's like me being a hillbilly understanding a New Yorker.. I guess since Ireland is so much smaller I expected less contrast in pronunciation.. Thank you for helping me..
thats actually pretty cool that you would do that much research into your past when most native irish cant tell you past there grand parents , i know myself my surname is tied back to the oneills of ulster i have some distant reletives up north but the main concentration is down south , i never could let it lie about why some are from the original area and some arent , best of luck on further studying its really nice to know outside of ireland even the heritage is being kept together :)
The bone fire's.
Maybe the 12 tribes all needed food.
Cú corb.
Adam n Eve and salmon of knowledge.... That comparison is uncanny. Even the biblical interpretation is got wrong by most or at least options are limited by most as they stick to the 'she did it!' version. So fintan is a God then!
That is wrong.