in 1992 Sports Illustrated did an article on that team and Tommy Burleson ( the player in question, who was only 7'2" by the way) was the only one who felt that they should accept the silver, a few years ago on the ESPN 30 for 30 short "Silver Reunion" he apparently had a change of heart...one of the guys has it in his will that no one in his family is to ever accept that medal on his behelf
I agree with the Americans but not for the reasons they said. The issue is whether the Russians called a timely time-out in between Doug Collins' free throws. Either they did or they did not. If they did, then the second free throw should not have occurred, and any replay should start at the second free throw (not at the in bound after the 2nd free throw like what actually occurred). And if the Russians did not call a timely time-out, then there should not have been any replay at all and the Americans should win. If we were to view the situation in the best light for the Russians, that is -- assuming a timely time-out was indeed called, then the replay should start at the second free throw. The fact that the replay did not start at the 2nd free throw but rather at the in-bound renders the entire actual replay invalid. Therefore, the best thing the IOC could do is to replay the entire chaotic part now, if that were possible. But since we cannot do that, the next best thing they can do is to take the score before the chaos -- that is, before the second free throw. And since the score was 49-49 at that point, there should be dual gold medals awarded.
I agree that both sides deserve the gold because if the soviets were given the timeout before the second free throw, then it would have ended up with a 3 second moment that could have gone either way. and if the time out was given after the the first "attempt" occurred then with one second left on the clock a desperation shot would have occurred which could have gone either way. the whole thing boils down to what is fair when it came to a failure to give the timeout at the appropriate time. neither team but neither team lost so it should have been duplicate medals. this documentary by hbo is a little more neutral to the situation and more explanatory. th-cam.com/video/6oIMdwuLe_o/w-d-xo.html. On that one guy says that the game was fair but not square.
I agree.... BUT.... The entire thing was so chaotic.... And absolutely so screwy.... Yes the TO should have been granted BEFORE Collins FT...but it wasn't....The ball should have never been put in play...but it was.... So it was a screw up from the get go
@rodneywaugh8535 No doubt about it, the whole thing was a third rated officiating. However, that's going to happen in any sports event. It's not an excuse or justification. I'm just saying that is the fact. Case in point. Roy Jones junior in 88. Evander holyfield in 84.
Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_* *1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was fouled running into the scaffolding. The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout later, when the Soviets went up the court or between Collins' two foul shots. It was before these two incidents. *2.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets. *3.* The horn goes off as Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound, but it sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands. It was an acknowledgement that a timeout should have been awarded earlier. *4.* Play resumed with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)_* then the Soviet bench were rightly protesting that their timeout call (called before Collins' baskets) was being ignored with 1 sec left. The ref stops play at 1 sec left. *5.* The Ref saws this error and compensated slightly setting the clock back to 3 secs and the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound *_(2nd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that.* *6.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs allowing play to resume at 1 sec with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound. The US thought the game was over and had won as the horn was sounded. *The Ref saw this error (he is in charge not the umpire) and put matters right resetting the clock to 3 secs and taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the **_(3rd)._** There is nothing wrong with that.* *7.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their _(3rd)_ inbound and popped the winning basket within 3 secs. *Winners !!* *The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor and the Soviets called timeout - the ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout, the scorer on the side never informed him. The USA team were beaten fairly. *The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec. He could have suggested taking the play back to when Collins was on the ground, which would have been the fair and right thing to do as that was when the Soviets called timeout. The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in control. *The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call was initially ignored. They got 2 secs more in compensation that was it. They should have got more. They made full use of the extra 2 secs so were satisfied.
But, there is no PROOF that the Soviet coach called timeout BEFORE the foul shots. They claimed they pushed the button, but it didn't sound. Sorry. Collins was at the line, and according to the rules at that time, they couldn't have a timeout.
It was utter confusion and chaos - which it should not have been. Mistakes were made. It was really unfair to both teams. The Soviets won, but they easily could have lot. I think they should give the U.S. players the gold medals too. Having officials and scorers who couldn't communicate with the coaches and/or each other was a recipe for disaster.
Soviets cheated by illegally substituting the guy who threw the winning pass! Plus, earlier, they sent a guy to get rough with Dwight Jones to get him out of the game - BUSH LEAGUE! The Americans got cheated plain and simple!
I'm way over this debacle. This is why the U.S. men's basketball team won 15 Summer Olympic basketball gold medals. They bounce back to win back the gold medal in Montreal 1976.
The clock was ready - the first inbound should have at least cause SOME time to elapse before the timeout was allowed. Nomatter how you cut it, there is no permissible fact pattern in which the Soviets should have been allowed to re-inbound the ball with a full three seconds on the clock.
The second bottom line would be once Doug Collins was handed the ball for the second free throw NO TIMEOUT COULD BE MADE and NO STOPPAGES IN PLAY should be allowed. The Soviets were able to substitute players, discuss a play, and get their players in position (Belov near the basket). Total 100% B.S. 😠😠😠
Also in 1984 Dear Olympic basketball: Bobby Knight is our coach and the Russians boycotted so we also have your back. Sincerely 1984 US Olympic basketball team
I remember watching this game in 1972 and the 50-49 USA apparent victory was like a Hollywood movie. Who I really think lost the game was Tom McMillen not guarding the Russian inbound passer. McMillen backing off even with the referee motioning the inbound passer needs to be given a chance to throw the ball did not require McMillen to back off totally.
I love how prideful the American players be and they refuse to accept the silver medal to the point players he it wrote in their wills that no family shall accept it and I love it because that’s how we used to do it We used to have American Pride
@@maxwood1464 Then Frank Shorter should get the 1976 marathon medal from the cheater who beat him. Or is cheating an American out of a gold different somehow.
@@brianarbenz1329 When did the IOC change their mind regarding individual acceptance of the medals? The original statement was it was either everyone accepts or the medals remain unclaimed.
Some people in this documentary are weird... they think that being against the Vietnam war implied not being american... when in fact, the oppossite is true.
Before we got to the terrible three seconds, Hank Iba made a million mistakes that cost the U.S. the Gold. Iba benched 7-3 Tom Burleson because Burleson had his fiancee visit him in his dorm. Then he refused to let his speedy players run, letting the half-court Soviet team build a big lead with very little time to cut into it; the U.S. players had to mutiny and speed up the pace themselves to come back. Tom McMillian was unclear on what the referee's signal meant as he was trying to obstruct the inbounds pass. It was a procedural hand motion to remind players of the distance he must give the inbounder. Thinking he might be on the verge of a technical foul, he backed off so far as to be unable to obstruct the pass, making him effectively out of the play. He started running down court, but could not possibly get to the forecourt in time to be of use. Meanwhile, Iba kept 6-9 top defender Bobby Jones on the bench, and of course, the 7-3 center was not playing. So with players 7-3, 6-11, and 6-9 of no use defensively, the U.S. had 6-2 Kevin Joyce behind Belov, with 6-8 Jim Forbes fronting him. The officials and R. William Jones cannot be blamed for any of this. Moreover, the referees could have nullified Doug Collins' 2nd free throw and made him shoot it over, because a TO was supposed to be called before it. But they let that free throw, which put the U.S. ahead 49-48, stand. Does that sound like the actions of an international community bent on taking the Gold away from the U.S.?
Hank Iba what is definitely the wrong coach for this team... Yes the man was a great coach but not for this team.... He had the horses that he could have run anybody out of the gym...But that wasn't his style...If he puts Tommy Burleson in there to guard the throw in....That ball never gets to Belov.....
One video said Burleson was suspended by Coach Iba because Burleson violated curfew rules (by visiting his girlfriend). For that reason, Burleson did not play in the game.
Both sides right? Are you crazy? There was nothing equivocal about it. This was cheating by the referees, pure and simple. The Russians were permitted to call an illegal time out, then given not one, not two, but three chances to inbound the ball.
im american and its embarrassing how much the 72 team complains. there were clock issues both times, they weren't cheated. the ussr was better throughout the whole game and they won far and square. stop whining and let it go!
Are you fucking stupid ? They were cheated you moron. The Russians were alloys to in ball the ball 3 TIMES ! Don’t speak about things when you don’t know nothing about the facts you idiot
@@maxwood1464 Well considering how much the Soviet team whined about how the Americans refused the silver I'd say they were meant to be together. If you ever get to see the documentary 0.03 From Gold make certain to have lots of crackers and cheese when you view it. You'll need it to go with that whine.
I agree … though terribly disappointing … in boxing I saw really unfair verdicts at the Olympics and everyone always accepted medals. This is the meaning of it all. What is unfair is Bobby Smith getting gold and world record and being censored by the US sport. athletes should be free to express their political ideas it is federations and states that should not mix politics into sport, in real olympic spirit (see ancient Greece).
Belov had outgamed these two clumsy american defenders on the last second. It clearly prooves that Russians was №1 rightful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once the ball hit Collins hands for the second free throw the Soviets lost their chance for that time out. The proof is that Collins free throw stood. Had that time out stood it would not have counted. So they should not have gotten the timeout and the stoppage in play should not have been allowed. No FIBA rule allowed time to be put back on the clock, either.
Dr. Jones and the referees should never be allowed near a bball court again, however, the Americans weren't cheated anywhere near the way they act like they've been cheated. After Collins' second free throw, the Russians were pushing the ball up the court to get one final shot, but the ref jumps in and stops the game with a second left. Is the game over even though there's a second left? And what should happen now? Should the ball be taken out of bounds at mid-court with one second left, or put back at the baseline with 3 seconds left? When the ball gets put back to the baseline, the freakin' idiot ref never waits for the clock to reset (it says 50 seconds left). This only adds to the chaos. As the Russian throws the ball in, the horn sounds before anyone touches the ball. How the Americans think that an entire 3 seconds ran off the clock is laughable. So even though the Americans feel the Russians had two chances now to win the game, that is completely false. The first chance was stopped by the ref walking in and stopping the ball, and the second chance was stopped by the horn after the clock wasn't reset. Would it be fair to give the Americans the gold when the Russians never had a shot to play the last three seconds? And then on the final try, all the Americans had to do was put a 7 footer on the ball (aka the Christian Laettner rule when UK didn't put a man on Grant Hill so he could throw an uncontested throw to Laettner), and not allow such an easy pass. The Russians outplayed the Americans all game long. The Americans have a right to be mad about the incompetent officiating, but they blew the last three seconds on their own. The Russians won this gold medal.
+Tj Mckenzie you're defeating your own point with your logic. To you're last statement, yes, put a 7 footer in the backcourt and this might be a moot point, but you're saying that the US wasn't cheated and in the same sentence say that 'the freakin idiot ref never waits for the clock to reset'. The 'idiot ref' is the reason that this whole fiasco happened and why the US felt cheated
The russians inserted Edeshko into the game after Collin's second free throw. That is against the rules. no timeout was granted and none was ever noted on the official score sheet. After Collin's second free throw, its a live ball.
On the second inbounds, when the clock was showing 50 seconds, did the Americans really believe that a full three seconds had come off the clock? Really? Kenny Davis says "The Russians inbounded the ball, threw a long pass and the horn sounded. We thought we had won the game." Really? Any moron could tell that three seconds had not elapsed. The horn blows before the Russian player even catches the ball.
Every fiber of my being tells me not to feed this troll, but something about tj makes me think he's actually serious. First and foremost, obviously no one thinks the time between the 2nd inbound pass and the horn (as the Russian player is touching the ball) was 3 seconds (wow, glad we got that out of the way). The issue is that they were able to throw it down the court multiple times. In essence, the refs couldn't keep control of their own game. If collins had missed his free throw when the horn sounded directly in the middle of the potentially game winning free throw, I'm sure USA would have been pissed off. He drained it, so its not really talked about much. Next issue, which actually pertains to the previous one, did the Russian coach successfully try to call a timeout BEFORE collins was handed the ball for his 2nd free throw (through the buzzer thats mentioned in the video). I'm sure they would test the buzzers and everything like that before the game, but again as is mentioned in the video, the Russian coach was very experienced and most likely wouldn't have missed that opportunity. Either way, he was NOT granted that timeout before collins was handed the ball for his second free throw. Then the madness ensued. The rest is history
I agree that the officiating was an absolute disgrace, which is par for the course during the Olympic games. This game is nothing compared to the Roy Jones fiasco. My only real point in all of this is that the Russians were really never given a chance for a final shot until the third try. On the first one, they were bringing the ball up court for one final shot and the ref just stops the game. Should he have done this? Hell no. But he did. There was one second left. Should the US have been awarded the gold medal right then and there even though there was one second left? What happens now? Do you give the Soviets the ball at midcourt with a second left, or do you give them the ball on the baseline with 3? On the second one, the clock is showing 50 seconds left. The Soviet inbounds the ball and before anyone touches the ball, the horn sounds. Does anyone really think it took 3 full seconds and that the US should be awarded the game now? It was a mess, but the Soviets still hadn't been given their final three seconds. In all fairness, even with all of the incompetence, the Soviets should've gotten one last chance at the baseline and three seconds. Watch the final play. Why put a seven footer 10 feet off the inbounder? If Burleson is right up in the inbounders face, there is no way he completes a 94 foot pass. Why put two midgets on Belov? As another person on here said, why not put Bobby Jones, a top rated defender on Belov? I know it's a terrible way to lose, and the US can feel cheated, but had the Soviets not had their one last chance, I think everyone in Russia would've said the US cheated.
What I don't understand is why they kept adding three seconds back. Let them inbound at half court after the timeout with one second left (based on their original inbound). Continuing to give them three seconds is absurd. In any event, the US was absolutely cheated.
I remember him saying that too. Neither ref spoke English so who really knows what he was saying. If I'm McMillan though, I am still right in that guy's face. If he is, there is no way they complete that pass. Kinda reminds me of Laettner's game winner in '92 against Kentucky. Pitino chose not to put someone on the ball and it cost them.
I just think the whole thing was not fair because Dr. R. William Jones, Secretary General of the US Olympic Basketball had no right to interfere in the game as he did. Furthermore, calls are missed often in sports. You can't put back time on the clock for missed chances. If Mr. Jones had stayed in his seat, the game would have had a fair conclusion.
Yeah the whole thing was BS the US got screwed. 2 officials can't speak English how the hell is the US supposed to communicate. We should have just left the floor.
1972 Canada played the Soviet Union in hockey, best on best The SUMMIT SERIES , NHL players vs. the Red Army, 8 games, first 4 in Canada, last 4 in USSR , Canada won 4 games lost 3 games and 1 tie... Canadian players were getting phone calls at 3 am in their hotel rooms disrupting their sleep... in the final game the Goal Light didn't go on after a Team Canada goal ... all kinds of shenanigans. COLD WAR ON ICE is a good documentary on TH-cam.
At that time a time out was legal even between throwing the first free shot and the second one. So everything was legal. USA basketball has no tecnic and tactic. I mean Alex Belov was only 2,02 ms tall. USA team had players in that team with 2,08; 2,10 and even 2,18 ms tall. In the last pass Alex Belov takes the ball jumping over a USA player with 2,01 ms tall. Tom MC Millan doesn´t press Ivan Edeshco. USA trainer didn´t know what to do. No tecnic and no tactic again. Typical USA basketball. Only dunking from the freeshot line. USA loose that game. No worthy to win. It was only the first of many others loosing games in international competitions including olimpic games. How remember now Danny Manning?
Ridiculous circumstances, but fact of the matter is the U.S. players and coach totally blew it on that final play. It's harsh, but that's where you have to place the blame ultimatively, only on yourself.
The way the refs were acting I have no doubt they would have figured out a way to keep the game going even if the USA had defended the final play. They could have just called a foul against a defender.
Henry Iba should have pulled them off the floor US were screwed so bad in this game with the clock issues & especially when Kevin Joyce & Jim Forbes got crushed with those elbows
In the ESPN 30 for 30 short 'Silver Reunion' the players were asked "why not just walk off the floor and just not played those last few seconds, Doug Collins and Kenny Davis both said that if Iba had pulled them off the court, they would've had to forfeit the game
@@d820m your missing the real point they should have walked off the floor, why ok they forfeit if not they are gonna make sure the Russians won that's why they got 3 chances. The US was screwed not just in the game with situations but they couldn't prevent the controversy cause the officials didn't speak the same language.
And if the US team had played to their strengths (i.e. speed instead of passing the ball around and jockeying for position) during the course of the game, it would never have come down to a shot in the last second deciding the outcome. Look at it the other way around. If we (the US) had called for a timeout between two free throws that gave the Russians the lead, wouldn't we have screamed to high heaven for the officials to get it right?
As I recall, the Soviets had no timeouts left to call anyway, so even if they were granted a timeout, it would have been illegal would have resulted in a technical foul being called, even in FIBA rules at that time
soviets had 1 timeout, and they asked it during collins free throws, but those people who were responsible didnt seen that and all that causes this madness
The horn clearly sounded but as the guy said you could only call timeout before the free throws once the shooter got the ball you couldn’t call timeout. So even though a mistake was clearly made you had to play on & Jones had absolutely no right to go down to the floor & reset the clock. The US won the game & they took it away from them Iba should have said guys locker room cause they were gonna take it away from them anyway so who cares about losing while sitting on your asses the US were robbed period.
The fact is that mistakes were made and that the Soviets were given chances to win that - per the rules - they should not have had. BUT, the U.S. team could have still won the game had they defended the final Soviet pass better and played better early on in the game. I think that if ANY situation calls for the awarding of dual gold medals - to both teams - this is it. Why won't the IOC consider this option?
+Old School Blues Guitar You're right, the US still could have and still should have won, but the Seahawks probably would have won the Super Bowl last year if they were given a 2nd/3rd chance on their last play on some horseshit timing issue. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong. They ran their quick play.... they lost. They were granted more time for another play..... they lost. As a Chicago fan, I'd redo Bartman/Alex Gonzalez's (99.9% Alex's fault) fuck up in 2003 3 times too, but thats not how it works
No, I did not say that. Read my comment. BOTH teams should get gold medals since the REFS and others screwed it up. Nobody gets cheated out of anything. They did this in figure-skating, so why not here? There were a number of questionable judging-decisions during the 72' Olympics - Cold War politics invading sports. IMO - this is when the Olympics started going downhill.
Both teams have valid points. Personally, I believe the US got screwed by Jones and Jones alone; but cannot blame USSR for that. So both teams should have gold. Just like the figure skaters in the winter olympics pair figure skaters that got screwed by the french judge.
Nah both teams should not have gotten gold. Usa should have won it because they did so why should they share if because people like you so sensitive wants to give everyone a trophy.
Prefontaine did not win 1972 any medal despite his pretalk and this basketball thing - ? and after 40 years - stil - blaa blaa;) Good entertainment is better than the result itself:)
Are you serious? First the ref's stopped the clock when Russia had no timeouts. Then they gave them three seconds which Russia couldn't make a basket and they lost. The ref's gave them another 3 seconds! Are you kidding me?
You've drunk to much commie/Soviet bullsh*t to honestly believe that Ivan. Politics awarded 3 extra seconds not anything else. Now,did the U.S. team act like poor sports and crybabies after,absolutely even to this day they are sore losers. This documentary confirms that.USA basketball has dominated Olympic competition since,much like Russia in Hockey. Tbh nobody in America gives a dam about Olympics anymore it's tv ratings are awful.
While the final 3 seconds were rediculously incorrect, I fail to see why the USA'S players act like they played the game of their lives when they really played like they were paid to loose. I didn't understand that they were behind the entire game. Only Kevin Stacey played with heart. I don't know what the rest of them were doing. The refs however were not even in control of the game.
This event has been very distorted in terms of what really happened. It has been propagandized as Russian cheating or something when thats complete bs. German officials royally screwed up. A British guy corrected the screwup. Team USA's appeal was rejected both by FIBA and the IOC. Sure for an athlete it sucks to lose after you think you have won but that doesn't change the result. Not to mention Team USA got completely outplayed and should be able to defend a full court pass.
@@RadicalCaveman for real, this guy is an idiot. THEY WERE NOT ALOUD TO HAVE A TIMEOUT. RUSSIANS WON BY CHEATING, WEATHER IT WAS THEIR FAULT OR NOT. USA WON
Hank Iba was a legendary basketball coach, but by 1972 the game has passed him by. The players were right, they should have play the run 'n gun game right from the start.
Both teams had decent arguments, and in the end, URSS won, having made 1 point more. Hundreds of Olympic athletes of all nations thought their medals should have been gold, not silver, think of boxing or many other disciplines where referees, judges, and jury are involved. Most of them had all good reasons, much more than the US team here. However, the 72 Olympic US basketball team remains the only one in history to refuse a medal out of protest. Real sissies who did not understand what the Olympic spirit should be. The most disgraceful things are crying like little babies and the lack of sportsmanship. Two team members, Kenny Davis and Tommy Henderson, put it in their living wills that family members could not accept the medals after they die. Grow up for C S ... The US press and TV were also ridiculous, this is certainly not the most controversial sports match in history, just one that the US lost and was a bit controversial, with reasons equally shared by the 2 parties, but the Americans made it a big drama showing very poor character. The disappointment is understandable, but not what happened later. If I were the IOC I would strip the US team of that medal for insulting the other athletes and the Olympic movement.
They did not show up for a medal ceremony. How awful!!! BTW, a case could be made that no medals should have been awarded to the USSR team, either. The scorecard for each game is supposed to be signed by the referee. The referee of this game refused to sign the scorecard. So you do not have an official result to give either the USA or the USSR team a medal. The Polish clockkeeper also stated on live TV that the United States, in his opinion, won the game. If ever a medal should be refused this one surely fit the bill.
the word is not awful … poor sportsmanship is. It is a reputational problem for the US players who 50 yrs later still need to grow up and behave like sissies. Life is tough. Emotionally they are losers because real winners accept loss, however unjust. But nobody died.
@@karlpopper3246 Well not everyone accepts theft and poor refereeing. Hey, I guess this means Frank Shorter ought to just keep quiet about the 1976 marathon.
@@Vydio nobody said anything about keeping quiet, people can certainly talk about what they want, it is accepting life and a medal we are talking about. An Olympic medal winner is better than sore losers in denial like the ridiculous 1972 US basketball team players, all crying sissies who should grow up. They won silver, life is tough, better than nothing. The case of dopers is different from contested refereeing, but again Shorter should accept life, he was a great athlete and had other Olympic medals, and there is no conclusive proof the other guy won with drugs or blood doping, not even in the Stasi files. The silver and bronze athletes in 7 Tour de France won (in this case by proven cheating) by Lance A. did not get the gold 20 yrs later (and certainly did not get the million dollar prizes the cheater stole for years) and went on living very well, without being sissies and without crying. The team US 1972 reminds me of the English team that lost Euro 2020 (or France that lost WC 2022) they accepted medals as second but immediately, all of them, took the medal out of their neck as if ashamed of it. Sore losers, they showed poor sportsmanship, a shame for England (and France) … real spoiled sissies, like all footballers. Olympic athletes should be very different, have a better attitude, not behave like children, otherwise they should stay home.
@@karlpopper3246 Sorry, but refereeing of such poor quality it shouldn't be tolerated in a high school game and use of drugs is not acceptable (at least not to many.) All the name calling and whining from the victors (ie the USSR team) does not change the unacceptable to acceptable. What I see and hear from those who keep pushing for these medals to be accepted is a desire to somehow get the unacceptable to be acceptable. Bottom line is neither you or I are in the position to make these decisions. We neither played that game or ran that marathon, the athletes did. If their decisions make these IOC bigwigs uncomfortable, too bad. They ought to just take their medicine. Hope you are listening, East German 1976 women's swim team.
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There was an amazing documentary that aired on HBO several years ago called “:03 From Gold”. I really wish someone could post it....
Me 2 I want to watch it from the beginning
We were robbed.
So no timeout was granted. How did the Soviets sub in their best passer?
Exactly. That is the one thing that doesn't get argued.
Screw Russians saying they won. Admit you was gifted that cuz of USA dominance in the sport.
HORSESHIT grow up sonny, you lost because their team was better
Faaaaack, we had Bobby Jones on the bench for all three game-ending plays??? Dude was one of the 5 greatest defenders EVER!
That's Hank Iba for ya
G - Center and he suspended a 7 2 player for having the guys fiance in his dorm room watching the city from the balcony
in 1992 Sports Illustrated did an article on that team and Tommy Burleson ( the player in question, who was only 7'2" by the way) was the only one who felt that they should accept the silver, a few years ago on the ESPN 30 for 30 short "Silver Reunion" he apparently had a change of heart...one of the guys has it in his will that no one in his family is to ever accept that medal on his behelf
Darrian Mitchell I changed his height. I also read somewhere that they can't even locate those medals.
they are in the dreaded "swiss vault"
I agree with the Americans but not for the reasons they said. The issue is whether the Russians called a timely time-out in between Doug Collins' free throws. Either they did or they did not. If they did, then the second free throw should not have occurred, and any replay should start at the second free throw (not at the in bound after the 2nd free throw like what actually occurred). And if the Russians did not call a timely time-out, then there should not have been any replay at all and the Americans should win. If we were to view the situation in the best light for the Russians, that is -- assuming a timely time-out was indeed called, then the replay should start at the second free throw. The fact that the replay did not start at the 2nd free throw but rather at the in-bound renders the entire actual replay invalid.
Therefore, the best thing the IOC could do is to replay the entire chaotic part now, if that were possible. But since we cannot do that, the next best thing they can do is to take the score before the chaos -- that is, before the second free throw. And since the score was 49-49 at that point, there should be dual gold medals awarded.
I agree that both sides deserve the gold because if the soviets were given the timeout before the second free throw, then it would have ended up with a 3 second moment that could have gone either way. and if the time out was given after the the first "attempt" occurred then with one second left on the clock a desperation shot would have occurred which could have gone either way. the whole thing boils down to what is fair when it came to a failure to give the timeout at the appropriate time. neither team but neither team lost so it should have been duplicate medals. this documentary by hbo is a little more neutral to the situation and more explanatory. th-cam.com/video/6oIMdwuLe_o/w-d-xo.html. On that one guy says that the game was fair but not square.
I agree....
BUT....
The entire thing was so chaotic....
And absolutely so screwy....
Yes the TO should have been granted BEFORE Collins FT...but it wasn't....The ball should have never been put in play...but it was....
So it was a screw up from the get go
@rodneywaugh8535 No doubt about it, the whole thing was a third rated officiating. However, that's going to happen in any sports event. It's not an excuse or justification. I'm just saying that is the fact. Case in point. Roy Jones junior in 88. Evander holyfield in 84.
Randy Harvey of the LA Times, *_"The Americans thought at every turn they had been cheated. They probably hadn't been but they still haven't acknowledged that."_*
*1.* The Soviet's bench called a timeout when Collins was fouled running into the scaffolding. The Soviet bench *did not* call timeout later, when the Soviets went up the court or between Collins' two foul shots. It was before these two incidents.
*2.* Collins puts the USA ahead with his two baskets.
*3.* The horn goes off as Collins pops the second - an odd time for the horn to sound, but it sounded as the ball had left Collins' hands. It was an acknowledgement that a timeout should have been awarded earlier.
*4.* Play resumed with a Soviet inbound *_(1st)_* then the Soviet bench were rightly protesting that their timeout call (called before Collins' baskets) was being ignored with 1 sec left. The ref stops play at 1 sec left.
*5.* The Ref saws this error and compensated slightly setting the clock back to 3 secs and the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound *_(2nd)._* *There is nothing wrong with that.*
*6.* The Bulgarian umpire, not the Brazilian ref, resumed play before the clock was reset to 3 secs allowing play to resume at 1 sec with the *_(2nd)_* Soviet inbound. The US thought the game was over and had won as the horn was sounded. *The Ref saw this error (he is in charge not the umpire) and put matters right resetting the clock to 3 secs and taking the ball back to the line for another Soviet inbound, the **_(3rd)._** There is nothing wrong with that.*
*7.* The Soviets threw the ball up the court from their _(3rd)_ inbound and popped the winning basket within 3 secs. *Winners !!*
*The ref did most right - he saw two errors and put matters right.* He should have done more, annulled Collins scores and taken play back to the point that Collins was on the floor and the Soviets called timeout - the ref was unaware that the Soviets called timeout, the scorer on the side never informed him. The USA team were beaten fairly.
*The USA gripe -* was that Jones the FIBA head, went down to the scorers table and suggested that the clock be reset to 3 secs from 1 sec. He could have suggested taking the play back to when Collins was on the ground, which would have been the fair and right thing to do as that was when the Soviets called timeout. The ref had no need to take any notice of anyone, he was 100% in control.
*The Soviet gripe -* was that their timeout call was initially ignored. They got 2 secs more in compensation that was it. They should have got more. They made full use of the extra 2 secs so were satisfied.
But, there is no PROOF that the Soviet coach called timeout BEFORE the foul shots. They claimed they pushed the button, but it didn't sound. Sorry. Collins was at the line, and according to the rules at that time, they couldn't have a timeout.
Old School Blues Guitar
When the button did not sound the Soviets called.
It was utter confusion and chaos - which it should not have been. Mistakes were made. It was really unfair to both teams. The Soviets won, but they easily could have lot. I think they should give the U.S. players the gold medals too. Having officials and scorers who couldn't communicate with the coaches and/or each other was a recipe for disaster.
John Burns check out this site left side of page
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Soviets cheated by illegally substituting the guy who threw the winning pass! Plus, earlier, they sent a guy to get rough with Dwight Jones to get him out of the game - BUSH LEAGUE! The Americans got cheated plain and simple!
Belov who scored the winner died 6 years later at age 26.
@Idome Udo
The Soviets were worthy winners.
I'm way over this debacle. This is why the U.S. men's basketball team won 15 Summer Olympic basketball gold medals. They bounce back to win back the gold medal in Montreal 1976.
As Doug Collins put it, which ending ? We won twice and they won once....
The clock was ready - the first inbound should have at least cause SOME time to elapse before the timeout was allowed. Nomatter how you cut it, there is no permissible fact pattern in which the Soviets should have been allowed to re-inbound the ball with a full three seconds on the clock.
Yet these american haters call the team crybabies for stating the truth.smh
No, THEY won and deservedly because they were better than YOUR team. Crybaby Yanks....
The bottom line is that 2 seconds were added to the clock that were not authorized by any of the 6 game officials.
Instead they made an even bigger mistake and caused an even bigger diplomatic incident...
The bottom line is Americans were behind the whole game. The result is fair.
Bull shit
judges added that
The second bottom line would be once Doug Collins was handed the ball for the second free throw NO TIMEOUT COULD BE MADE and NO STOPPAGES IN PLAY should be allowed. The Soviets were able to substitute players, discuss a play, and get their players in position (Belov near the basket). Total 100% B.S. 😠😠😠
Dear US Olympic Basketball,
Don't worry boys, we got your back,
Sincerely, 1980 US hockey team
Also in 1984
Dear Olympic basketball:
Bobby Knight is our coach and the Russians boycotted so we also have your back.
Sincerely
1984 US Olympic basketball team
Do you have the remainder of the episode?
I remember watching this game in 1972 and the 50-49 USA apparent victory was like a Hollywood movie. Who I really think lost the game was Tom McMillen not guarding the Russian inbound passer. McMillen backing off even with the referee motioning the inbound passer needs to be given a chance to throw the ball did not require McMillen to back off totally.
I love how prideful the American players be and they refuse to accept the silver medal to the point players he it wrote in their wills that no family shall accept it and I love it because that’s how we used to do it
We used to have American Pride
Arrogance is the word you are looking for, Americans are not Sports-folk, if you hate losing you just CHEAT
@@maxwood1464 A Dr. R. William Jones should have remained seated. Or was he allowed to pull his little stunt because he wasn't an American?
@@maxwood1464 Then Frank Shorter should get the 1976 marathon medal
from the cheater who beat him. Or is cheating an American out of a gold different somehow.
I hate to ruin your childhood, @oldmansportsog, but several of the U.S. players have accepted their silver medals in the years since 1972.
@@brianarbenz1329 When did the IOC change their mind regarding individual acceptance of the medals? The original statement was it was either everyone accepts or the medals remain unclaimed.
Absolutely
Some people in this documentary are weird... they think that being against the Vietnam war implied not being american... when in fact, the oppossite is true.
Absolutely. Protesting unjust wars is the American thing to do. Bill Walton was being a good citizen of a democracy by opposing the war!
Before we got to the terrible three seconds, Hank Iba made a million mistakes that cost the U.S. the Gold. Iba benched 7-3 Tom Burleson because Burleson had his fiancee visit him in his dorm. Then he refused to let his speedy players run, letting the half-court Soviet team build a big lead with very little time to cut into it; the U.S. players had to mutiny and speed up the pace themselves to come back. Tom McMillian was unclear on what the referee's signal meant as he was trying to obstruct the inbounds pass. It was a procedural hand motion to remind players of the distance he must give the inbounder. Thinking he might be on the verge of a technical foul, he backed off so far as to be unable to obstruct the pass, making him effectively out of the play. He started running down court, but could not possibly get to the forecourt in time to be of use. Meanwhile, Iba kept 6-9 top defender Bobby Jones on the bench, and of course, the 7-3 center was not playing. So with players 7-3, 6-11, and 6-9 of no use defensively, the U.S. had 6-2 Kevin Joyce behind Belov, with 6-8 Jim Forbes fronting him.
The officials and R. William Jones cannot be blamed for any of this.
Moreover, the referees could have nullified Doug Collins' 2nd free throw and made him shoot it over, because a TO was supposed to be called before it. But they let that free throw, which put the U.S. ahead 49-48, stand. Does that sound like the actions of an international community bent on taking the Gold away from the U.S.?
Hank Iba what is definitely the wrong coach for this team... Yes the man was a great coach but not for this team....
He had the horses that he could have run anybody out of the gym...But that wasn't his style...If he puts Tommy Burleson in there to guard the throw in....That ball never gets to Belov.....
One video said Burleson was suspended by Coach Iba because Burleson violated curfew rules (by visiting his girlfriend). For that reason, Burleson did not play in the game.
Both sides right? Are you crazy? There was nothing equivocal about it. This was cheating by the referees, pure and simple. The Russians were permitted to call an illegal time out, then given not one, not two, but three chances to inbound the ball.
It was cheating by the IOC, not the referees. The referees were, at worst, incompetent.
Kevin Luna no shit
USA-celebration gone wrong 🤣😂🥲
Can we get part 2 of this
im american and its embarrassing how much the 72 team complains. there were clock issues both times, they weren't cheated. the ussr was better throughout the whole game and they won far and square. stop whining and let it go!
Are you fucking stupid ? They were cheated you moron. The Russians were alloys to in ball the ball 3 TIMES ! Don’t speak about things when you don’t know nothing about the facts you idiot
At last, a reasonable response
@@maxwood1464 Well considering how much the Soviet team whined about how the Americans refused the silver I'd say they were meant to be together. If you ever get to see the documentary 0.03 From Gold make certain to have lots of crackers and cheese when you view it. You'll need it to go with that whine.
I agree … though terribly disappointing … in boxing I saw really unfair verdicts at the Olympics and everyone always accepted medals. This is the meaning of it all.
What is unfair is Bobby Smith getting gold and world record and being censored by the US sport. athletes should be free to express their political ideas it is federations and states that should not mix politics into sport, in real olympic spirit (see ancient Greece).
Can we get the other part please
Where is the rest of it at
The USSR would have gotten the shit kicked out of them by Oscar Roberts, KAJ, Jerry, WIlt and Walton
But those ASSHOLES were not there were they?
Belov had outgamed these two clumsy american defenders on the last second.
It clearly prooves that Russians was №1 rightful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aleksandr C fuck your country pussy!
Once the ball hit Collins hands for the second free throw the Soviets lost their chance for that time out. The proof is that Collins free throw stood. Had that time out stood it would not have counted. So they should not have gotten the timeout and the stoppage in play should not have been allowed. No FIBA rule allowed time to be put back on the clock, either.
This was overviewed a lot, and the decision stands, refs did it right. Gotta accept it, or not) no one really cares, gold medals for soviets
which team deserve to win more team which leaded in score for 39min and 57 seconds or team that leaded for 0:03 seconds?
Have you got an English translation of this? The Soviets led the game for most of the match.
Dr. Jones and the referees should never be allowed near a bball court again, however, the Americans weren't cheated anywhere near the way they act like they've been cheated. After Collins' second free throw, the Russians were pushing the ball up the court to get one final shot, but the ref jumps in and stops the game with a second left. Is the game over even though there's a second left? And what should happen now? Should the ball be taken out of bounds at mid-court with one second left, or put back at the baseline with 3 seconds left? When the ball gets put back to the baseline, the freakin' idiot ref never waits for the clock to reset (it says 50 seconds left). This only adds to the chaos. As the Russian throws the ball in, the horn sounds before anyone touches the ball. How the Americans think that an entire 3 seconds ran off the clock is laughable. So even though the Americans feel the Russians had two chances now to win the game, that is completely false. The first chance was stopped by the ref walking in and stopping the ball, and the second chance was stopped by the horn after the clock wasn't reset. Would it be fair to give the Americans the gold when the Russians never had a shot to play the last three seconds? And then on the final try, all the Americans had to do was put a 7 footer on the ball (aka the Christian Laettner rule when UK didn't put a man on Grant Hill so he could throw an uncontested throw to Laettner), and not allow such an easy pass. The Russians outplayed the Americans all game long. The Americans have a right to be mad about the incompetent officiating, but they blew the last three seconds on their own. The Russians won this gold medal.
+Tj Mckenzie you're defeating your own point with your logic. To you're last statement, yes, put a 7 footer in the backcourt and this might be a moot point, but you're saying that the US wasn't cheated and in the same sentence say that 'the freakin idiot ref never waits for the clock to reset'. The 'idiot ref' is the reason that this whole fiasco happened and why the US felt cheated
Soviet Asst coach jumped on court, thats why play was stopped with one second. This is a technical foul. It was not called.
got a problem with the rules? How about an illegal substitution?
How would that be an illegal substitution? There wasn't a substitution even made. Wtf?dunemetal67
The russians inserted Edeshko into the game after Collin's second free throw. That is against the rules. no timeout was granted and none was ever noted on the official score sheet. After Collin's second free throw, its a live ball.
Cheap. USA should man up and take the Silver, and Russia should man up and give USA the Gold
On the second inbounds, when the clock was showing 50 seconds, did the Americans really believe that a full three seconds had come off the clock? Really? Kenny Davis says "The Russians inbounded the ball, threw a long pass and the horn sounded. We thought we had won the game." Really? Any moron could tell that three seconds had not elapsed. The horn blows before the Russian player even catches the ball.
Every fiber of my being tells me not to feed this troll, but something about tj makes me think he's actually serious. First and foremost, obviously no one thinks the time between the 2nd inbound pass and the horn (as the Russian player is touching the ball) was 3 seconds (wow, glad we got that out of the way). The issue is that they were able to throw it down the court multiple times. In essence, the refs couldn't keep control of their own game. If collins had missed his free throw when the horn sounded directly in the middle of the potentially game winning free throw, I'm sure USA would have been pissed off. He drained it, so its not really talked about much. Next issue, which actually pertains to the previous one, did the Russian coach successfully try to call a timeout BEFORE collins was handed the ball for his 2nd free throw (through the buzzer thats mentioned in the video). I'm sure they would test the buzzers and everything like that before the game, but again as is mentioned in the video, the Russian coach was very experienced and most likely wouldn't have missed that opportunity. Either way, he was NOT granted that timeout before collins was handed the ball for his second free throw. Then the madness ensued. The rest is history
I agree that the officiating was an absolute disgrace, which is par for the course during the Olympic games. This game is nothing compared to the Roy Jones fiasco. My only real point in all of this is that the Russians were really never given a chance for a final shot until the third try. On the first one, they were bringing the ball up court for one final shot and the ref just stops the game. Should he have done this? Hell no. But he did. There was one second left. Should the US have been awarded the gold medal right then and there even though there was one second left? What happens now? Do you give the Soviets the ball at midcourt with a second left, or do you give them the ball on the baseline with 3? On the second one, the clock is showing 50 seconds left. The Soviet inbounds the ball and before anyone touches the ball, the horn sounds. Does anyone really think it took 3 full seconds and that the US should be awarded the game now? It was a mess, but the Soviets still hadn't been given their final three seconds. In all fairness, even with all of the incompetence, the Soviets should've gotten one last chance at the baseline and three seconds. Watch the final play. Why put a seven footer 10 feet off the inbounder? If Burleson is right up in the inbounders face, there is no way he completes a 94 foot pass. Why put two midgets on Belov? As another person on here said, why not put Bobby Jones, a top rated defender on Belov? I know it's a terrible way to lose, and the US can feel cheated, but had the Soviets not had their one last chance, I think everyone in Russia would've said the US cheated.
What I don't understand is why they kept adding three seconds back. Let them inbound at half court after the timeout with one second left (based on their original inbound). Continuing to give them three seconds is absurd. In any event, the US was absolutely cheated.
Tom McMillen (who stood 6'11") says that he was told by the referee to back off the inbounds pass or he would get a technical foul called on him
I remember him saying that too. Neither ref spoke English so who really knows what he was saying. If I'm McMillan though, I am still right in that guy's face. If he is, there is no way they complete that pass. Kinda reminds me of Laettner's game winner in '92 against Kentucky. Pitino chose not to put someone on the ball and it cost them.
Biggest robbery ever in basketball history, shameful to say the least...
It was still just a game.An election is something else.
Who has the whole thing
likewise the us could not sub in Jones nor Burlenson
Why ? because usa is out of timeout?
I didn't know that Dominion made game clocks as well as voting machines.
Get lost termite/trumpite.
I just think the whole thing was not fair because Dr. R. William Jones, Secretary General of the US Olympic Basketball had no right to interfere in the game as he did. Furthermore, calls are missed often in sports. You can't put back time on the clock for missed chances. If Mr. Jones had stayed in his seat, the game would have had a fair conclusion.
Jack Platt I don't think Jones was affiliated with the US. He was involved in International Amatuer Basketball.
Yeah the whole thing was BS the US got screwed. 2 officials can't speak English how the hell is the US supposed to communicate. We should have just left the floor.
Patrick Gray learning French, maybe?
1972 Canada played the Soviet Union in hockey, best on best The SUMMIT SERIES , NHL players vs. the Red Army, 8 games, first 4 in Canada, last 4 in USSR , Canada won 4 games lost 3 games and 1 tie... Canadian players were getting phone calls at 3 am in their hotel rooms disrupting their sleep... in the final game the Goal Light didn't go on after a Team Canada goal ... all kinds of shenanigans. COLD WAR ON ICE is a good documentary on TH-cam.
At that time a time out was legal even between throwing the first free shot and the second one.
So everything was legal. USA basketball has no tecnic and tactic. I mean Alex Belov was only
2,02 ms tall. USA team had players in that team with 2,08; 2,10 and even 2,18 ms tall.
In the last pass Alex Belov takes the ball jumping over a USA player with 2,01 ms tall.
Tom MC Millan doesn´t press Ivan Edeshco. USA trainer didn´t know what to do.
No tecnic and no tactic again. Typical USA basketball. Only dunking from the freeshot line.
USA loose that game. No worthy to win. It was only the first of many others loosing games in
international competitions including olimpic games. How remember now Danny Manning?
Ridiculous circumstances, but fact of the matter is the U.S. players and coach totally blew it on that final play.
It's harsh, but that's where you have to place the blame ultimatively, only on yourself.
The way the refs were acting I have no doubt they would have figured out a way to keep the game going even if the USA had defended the final play. They could have just called a foul against a defender.
11:02 what I see happen is not how Jones explained it.
wow,, Great win by the Soviets
Except they didn't win, at least not according to the rules at the time.
rules shmules
Henry Iba should have pulled them off the floor US were screwed so bad in this game with the clock issues & especially when Kevin Joyce & Jim Forbes got crushed with those elbows
In the ESPN 30 for 30 short 'Silver Reunion' the players were asked "why not just walk off the floor and just not played those last few seconds, Doug Collins and Kenny Davis both said that if Iba had pulled them off the court, they would've had to forfeit the game
@@d820m your missing the real point they should have walked off the floor, why ok they forfeit if not they are gonna make sure the Russians won that's why they got 3 chances. The US was screwed not just in the game with situations but they couldn't prevent the controversy cause the officials didn't speak the same language.
Those players know how the Trump voters feel.Communism won both times.
Gibberish.
And if the US team had played to their strengths (i.e. speed instead of passing the ball around and jockeying for position) during the course of the game, it would never have come down to a shot in the last second deciding the outcome.
Look at it the other way around. If we (the US) had called for a timeout between two free throws that gave the Russians the lead, wouldn't we have screamed to high heaven for the officials to get it right?
Great history, too many shenanigans on both sides although it does look like the Americans were shorthanded. It is just an opinion.
As I recall, the Soviets had no timeouts left to call anyway, so even if they were granted a timeout, it would have been illegal would have resulted in a technical foul being called, even in FIBA rules at that time
soviets had 1 timeout, and they asked it during collins free throws, but those people who were responsible didnt seen that and all that causes this madness
The horn clearly sounded but as the guy said you could only call timeout before the free throws once the shooter got the ball you couldn’t call timeout. So even though a mistake was clearly made you had to play on & Jones had absolutely no right to go down to the floor & reset the clock. The US won the game & they took it away from them Iba should have said guys locker room cause they were gonna take it away from them anyway so who cares about losing while sitting on your asses the US were robbed period.
good thing im right
The U.S.S.R. were better players and the medal belongs to them and only them...
They were a great team but this game was a disgrace. In the eyes of most, the US won this game.
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The US were outplayed and it looked like a stitch up they got so far in the game.
John X agreed. Iba played a slowed down offense.
Jake Carlisle
*The US were outplayed!*
***** agreed
The fact is that mistakes were made and that the Soviets were given chances to win that - per the rules - they should not have had. BUT, the U.S. team could have still won the game had they defended the final Soviet pass better and played better early on in the game. I think that if ANY situation calls for the awarding of dual gold medals - to both teams - this is it. Why won't the IOC consider this option?
+Old School Blues Guitar You're right, the US still could have and still should have won, but the Seahawks probably would have won the Super Bowl last year if they were given a 2nd/3rd chance on their last play on some horseshit timing issue. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong. They ran their quick play.... they lost. They were granted more time for another play..... they lost. As a Chicago fan, I'd redo Bartman/Alex Gonzalez's (99.9% Alex's fault) fuck up in 2003 3 times too, but thats not how it works
No, I did not say that. Read my comment. BOTH teams should get gold medals since the REFS and others screwed it up. Nobody gets cheated out of anything. They did this in figure-skating, so why not here? There were a number of questionable judging-decisions during the 72' Olympics - Cold War politics invading sports. IMO - this is when the Olympics started going downhill.
Both teams have valid points. Personally, I believe the US got screwed by Jones and Jones alone; but cannot blame USSR for that. So both teams should have gold. Just like the figure skaters in the winter olympics pair figure skaters that got screwed by the french judge.
Nah both teams should not have gotten gold. Usa should have won it because they did so why should they share if because people like you so sensitive wants to give everyone a trophy.
@@anwjuice lets play a game... its called fuck off... you go first douchebag
@@chrisbibber6199 Damn you get this mad always when someone lays facts to you ? Fucking moron
I agree, let every team or athlete that has been beaten into second place get the Gold too! What? not so keen on that? Hypocrite...
The USA should have been stripped of the silver medal place and silver given to Cuba. That can still be done retrospectively. It should be done.
WHAT!? They were 2nd! AND NO THAT CANT BE DONE STOP LYING! AND NO IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE THE U.S. LOST AND WAS 2ND THEE END!
So go ahead. The team is never going to accept the silver medal.
@@Vydio
Their choice.
@@johnburns4017 Actually, it isn't. the IOC has had years to do this and has chosen not to. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to do it now.
Prefontaine did not win 1972 any medal despite his pretalk and this basketball thing - ? and after 40 years - stil - blaa blaa;) Good entertainment is better than the result itself:)
Pre did lots of talking, no doubt. But in looking back, he had virtually no experience against runners like Lasse Viren.
The only thing Russia can win now is Rhythmic Gymnastics
LOL
And American elections.
And the Americans rule synchronised swimming.. sport eh?
Are you serious? First the ref's stopped the clock when Russia had no timeouts. Then they gave them three seconds which Russia couldn't make a basket and they lost. The ref's gave them another 3 seconds! Are you kidding me?
Christopher Pool it was awful our US team had so many grips with the officials what kills me is the refs not speaking English.
Patrick Gray FIBA’s official language was French back then.
No and if you look closely the International head of Basketball (not a Russian) made the call to correctly restart the clock at THREE seconds
Por que o abritro brasileiro não foi trapaceiro
USSR -great team.
how about an Unsporting foul on Collins. Two shots and the ball back at centre
There was no such foul on 1972 by FIBA rules.
USSR team was the best of course. All during play soviet players teached american friends how to play basketball. And last 3 second as diamond point.
You've drunk to much commie/Soviet bullsh*t to honestly believe that Ivan.
Politics awarded 3 extra seconds not anything else.
Now,did the U.S. team act like poor sports and crybabies after,absolutely even to this day they are sore losers.
This documentary confirms that.USA basketball has dominated Olympic competition since,much like Russia in Hockey.
Tbh nobody in America gives a dam about Olympics anymore it's tv ratings are awful.
Shame on you Laspi!
The CCCP Soviet Union beat the USA at there own game. A bunch of Communist soldiers beat the nationwide massive game of Collegiate Basketball. End of.
You dumb af. Those were not russian soldiers but russian pro bball players
While the final 3 seconds were rediculously incorrect, I fail to see why the USA'S players act like they played the game of their lives when they really played like they were paid to loose. I didn't understand that they were behind the entire game. Only Kevin Stacey played with heart. I don't know what the rest of them were doing. The refs however were not even in control of the game.
Who's Kevin Stacey? There was no player on the U.S. team named Kevin Stacey.
This event has been very distorted in terms of what really happened. It has been propagandized as Russian cheating or something when thats complete bs. German officials royally screwed up. A British guy corrected the screwup. Team USA's appeal was rejected both by FIBA and the IOC. Sure for an athlete it sucks to lose after you think you have won but that doesn't change the result. Not to mention Team USA got completely outplayed and should be able to defend a full court pass.
If they got completely outplayed, why was it a one-point game?
@@RadicalCaveman for real, this guy is an idiot. THEY WERE NOT ALOUD TO HAVE A TIMEOUT. RUSSIANS WON BY CHEATING, WEATHER IT WAS THEIR FAULT OR NOT. USA WON
I guess you haven't watched the full game then...
My question is how did the Soviets got that close ?
Not having Bill Walton or a better coach didn't help, either.
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They do look "mechanical" !
Hank Iba was a legendary basketball coach, but by 1972 the game has passed him by. The players were right, they should have play the run 'n gun game right from the start.
The Soviets had 30 year-olds going against 20 year-olds.
Don Haskins, Dean Smith, or John Wooden should've been coaching
i'm a proud american and i have to say the whining of that 72 team is pretty embarrassing
What's pretty embarrassing is your stupidity.
Your lost they got screwed.
16:25
Both teams had decent arguments, and in the end, URSS won, having made 1 point more.
Hundreds of Olympic athletes of all nations thought their medals should have been gold, not silver, think of boxing or many other disciplines where referees, judges, and jury are involved. Most of them had all good reasons, much more than the US team here. However, the 72 Olympic US basketball team remains the only one in history to refuse a medal out of protest. Real sissies who did not understand what the Olympic spirit should be. The most disgraceful things are crying like little babies and the lack of sportsmanship.
Two team members, Kenny Davis and Tommy Henderson, put it in their living wills that family members could not accept the medals after they die. Grow up for C S ...
The US press and TV were also ridiculous, this is certainly not the most controversial sports match in history, just one that the US lost and was a bit controversial, with reasons equally shared by the 2 parties, but the Americans made it a big drama showing very poor character. The disappointment is understandable, but not what happened later.
If I were the IOC I would strip the US team of that medal for insulting the other athletes and the Olympic movement.
They did not show up for a medal ceremony. How awful!!! BTW, a case could be made that no medals should have been awarded to the USSR team, either. The scorecard for each game is supposed to be signed by the referee. The referee of this game refused to sign the scorecard. So you do not have an official result to give either the USA or the USSR team a medal. The Polish clockkeeper also stated on live TV that the United States, in his opinion, won the game. If ever a medal should be refused this one surely fit the bill.
the word is not awful … poor sportsmanship is. It is a reputational problem for the US players who 50 yrs later still need to grow up and behave like sissies. Life is tough. Emotionally they are losers because real winners accept loss, however unjust.
But nobody died.
@@karlpopper3246 Well not everyone accepts theft and poor refereeing. Hey, I guess this means Frank Shorter ought to just keep quiet about the 1976 marathon.
@@Vydio nobody said anything about keeping quiet, people can certainly talk about what they want, it is accepting life and a medal we are talking about. An Olympic medal winner is better than sore losers in denial like the ridiculous 1972 US basketball team players, all crying sissies who should grow up. They won silver, life is tough, better than nothing.
The case of dopers is different from contested refereeing, but again Shorter should accept life, he was a great athlete and had other Olympic medals, and there is no conclusive proof the other guy won with drugs or blood doping, not even in the Stasi files.
The silver and bronze athletes in 7 Tour de France won (in this case by proven cheating) by Lance A. did not get the gold 20 yrs later (and certainly did not get the million dollar prizes the cheater stole for years) and went on living very well, without being sissies and without crying.
The team US 1972 reminds me of the English team that lost Euro 2020 (or France that lost WC 2022) they accepted medals as second but immediately, all of them, took the medal out of their neck as if ashamed of it. Sore losers, they showed poor sportsmanship, a shame for England (and France) … real spoiled sissies, like all footballers. Olympic athletes should be very different, have a better attitude, not behave like children, otherwise they should stay home.
@@karlpopper3246 Sorry, but refereeing of such poor quality it shouldn't be tolerated in a high school game and use of drugs is not acceptable (at least not to many.) All the name calling and whining from the victors (ie the USSR team) does not change the unacceptable to acceptable. What I see and hear from those who keep pushing for these medals to be accepted is a desire to somehow get the unacceptable to be acceptable. Bottom line is neither you or I are in the position to make these decisions. We neither played that game or ran that marathon, the athletes did. If their decisions make these IOC bigwigs uncomfortable, too bad. They ought to just take their medicine. Hope you are listening, East German 1976 women's swim team.
Soviet basketball team? What's a "Soviet"?
_A long time ago, in a place far far away_ Vladimir Lenin, after overthrowing the Czar ordered workers councils to take over industries in St. Petersburg, Moscow and other Russian cities. He announced these councils of workers would make the decision that would run the new system, which would be socialist, meaning the workers owning and operating the means of production. At first, Lenin also pledged to give the Czarist conquests of Central Asia (such as Kazakhstan, Georgia, and Uzbekistan) their independence. He went back on the independence promise (partly because the U.S. other other western powers sent troops in to fight against his faction in the Russian Civil War), but he also went back on his promise to let the workers councils operate freely.
But he still claimed the councils were in charge, and since he wanted all the Czarist conquered places to stay unified with the country, he called the whole thing the Union of Council Socialist Republics. The Russian work for "council" is soviet.
@@brianarbenz1329 cool story