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Bamboo vs Carbon Arrows --- "WHICH IS BEST?" & (The basic differences)
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- {Bamboo & Carbon Arrows which is best}
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Love my bamboo arrows! It is hard to find a good source for the shafts to be consistent but I still prefer them over every other material. I have always told people that Bamboo is the carbon fiber of the natural world. Thanks for the video
I followed your DIY longbow build tutorial from late 2019 and it worked! I was shooting at 65 pounds after a few weeks of slowly tillering my own piece of Home Depot Oak and drywall tape. I've since picked up a take down recurve with an aluminum riser and, while I've been enjoying it just fine, It definitely doesn't have the "It" factor of a bow you made yourself.
I like the more traditional archery because it IS humbling. I'm a firearms instructor for the Navy and (being honest, not bragging) a damned good shot with a rifle.
The bow. . .Well, let's just say it made me feel like a "new shooter" all over again. And, if I'm being honest, it was the first video I'd seen of yours (not YOUR first, a first for me) on building a $15 bow that piqued my interest. So, thank you for that. Maybe one day, I'll go wood for my arrows, but I'm really, REALLY enjoying traditional archery (with carbon, haha!), because it's more challenging than using something with sights & mechanical release devices. One day, though, I'll make my own.
Keeping me “humble” is exactly why I made the switch! Couldn’t have said it any better my friend. Keep it up!! Great stuff.
I’ve shot just about every kind of arrow out there for the past 28 years & I have to say I love the carbons . Bamboo,s worst enemy is moisture, & once moisture sets in to a bamboo arrow it’s done . Carbon on the other hand is 10 times stronger than steel if the overlap & Chris cross pattern is there in the material . I seen a guy with a 200 pound draw @ 28 inches use carbon arrows & shot a 3/8 inch thick piece of steel at 20 yards just to see if the arrow shaft would hold up & I have to say the tip was destroyed but the arrow held up to the impact very well didn’t crack or anything . Dude did this about 6 times just destroy tip after tip & the carbon arrow came out of it unscathed each & every time .
Getting back into archery for the first time in 20 years, these videos have really made researching good products so easy. Shatterproof archery is selling is top quality too!
This channel has inspired me for years I've been making close. I have been an archery traditionalist since 5 years old. As a kid I always chose my Longbow over my compounds. I think it's time to start recording I'm going to try a channel it's been cool to see the way yours has grown and what you can do with it
Bro, I am super impressed with your humility of showing that badly missed shot not once but multiple times. I respect you.
Been about 40 yrs since I shot a bow and have been thinking of getting into it again. I love watching your channel for this very reason. You are great for giving informative reviews and advice for someone like me.
I like the heavier bamboo because it is easier to get that higher gpp without having to add in weight systems etc.
"The it factor"
Your absolutely right. When I got into archery I started trad with hickory long bow. Now recurves. Bought a dozen wooden arrows and busted them all. l replaced them but haven't shot them. Went with carbon arrows, which can take some real punishment, is forgiving and probably best for getting the most usage and longevity. But, back to first statement. Carbon doesn't have that "IT" factor just as compound or cross bows lack the soul of archery. I own two crossbows and four compounds but every time I will choose a trad bow because I want to feel that "IT" factor.
what fukin soul u weirdo gripping to the old ways
@@gustavcrossbow2805
bows and arrows made of traditional materials and the old ways is what the video was about, If you don't understand the comment about not having the soul
@@gustavcrossbow2805 well if you're doing archery you're kinds gripping to the old ways in general... if not then why wouldn't you shoot a gun instead? It's more modern and better. The reason Is because it's not the same, it lacks strength it factors as he says.
@@nixthefox2008 i shoot a repeating crossbow, home made like joerg sprave adder but more powerful
@@gustavcrossbow2805 cool?
Thanks Kramer, your comments about “the it factor” says it all. I’m currently following your same path. I started with compound bows, but I just didn’t enjoy Archery with them as I do with a Recurve bow. I am now getting into making my own traditional arrows and this last video was a great inspiration to try Bamboo too. Thanks again!! Bill
Just a pedantic technicallity point, a heavier arrow doesn't "drop quicker", it just travels slower from the same bow and therefore doesn't cover as much ground before dropping.
I would love to see more of these videos, taking a more direct approach to the different materials used for arrows / arrow builds.
I'm almost finished making my first bow and was wondering what kind of arrows to get. I'm leaning towards bamboo simply because I like the feel of having fully natural archery set-up. Simple wooden long bow with wooden arrows, idk. Just me I guess lol
How did it go man?? I just ordered a Black Hunter on Amazon to get into archery and been watching a lot of video on bow making and definitely want to “give it a shot” sometime. Feeling the same way with the arrows though.
Pinewood maybe? Should be strong enough
We use to use cedar shafts.
Yeah, I completely understand. Longbows and wooden arrows just have the "IT" factor for me, too!
I hope to make my own bow when I get the chance and the skills you shared with your viewers like myself is invaluable. I've always loved bows and shooting. Now I just have to start converting the extra bedroom in my apartment into a wood shop.
For what it's worth, the bamboo arrows I use are Korean ones which I shoot using a Korean hornbow. As to weight, they are 310 grains with a two-grain tolerance. FOC is less than 10 millimetres in a set of thirty. The fletcher I deal with is a master of his craft. Carbon equivalents, as to length and spine, weigh 375 grains. So much for bamboo being heavier.
Bamboo have greater drop due to the factor of air resistance. That comes from the surface being irregular compared to carbon, and the feathers certainly not being as smooth as plastic vanes. Surface area for feathers is also greater. Bamboo de-accelerate more thus taking longer to get to the target and having gravity pulling on them for a longer period of time.
If you hit a rock straight on, bamboo will break. That kind of de-acceleration will simply flex the arrow too much and the arrow will break at one of the nodes., usually the first or sencond of the three that Korean arrows have. Nodes are definitely the weakest part of a bamboo arrow. I have a cabinet full of examples to this.
Oddly enough, some bamboo arrows will break directly behind the point. It's like the insert end of the point acts as a fulcrum and the bamboo shaft outside of the point snaps off on this fulcrum. I have a feeling the striking of the rock, in this case, is slightly off 90 degrees. I can't think of any other explanation.
One last point not mentioned is that bamboo will "warp" as bamboo shafts do not start out straight and have been "straightened". They will tend to want to go back to their original shape.
I rightly appreciate as some one who's preparing for what's to Come and I find this series very well done and easy to follow as I see you pdf the plans and materials list
I'm waiting for you to start marketing some bows for sale! Got quite a bit of your merch- Shirt, Cup, beenie, multiple quivers and tabs for the whole family. And every single item I've gotten from you has been top quality!!! Would love to see you sale those fiberglass/bamboo composite bows, they're clean!
I'm enjoying the continued growth. I've been watching your channel for a long time, the other day saw someone do a review of your flemish string. Thought it was cool to see someone review a creator I often watching. Got the flemish myself, waiting on getting a Black Hunter to test it on that. Thinking about switching to using tabs, so have my eyes on your split finger tabs and arm guards. They look so well made. And if they are anything like the flemish string, then I know quality will be top shelf.
As for Bamboo vs Carbon, Carbon are my daily shooting arrows. I use bamboo on special bows like my Hankyu. Bows like that I feel deserve to be shot with more traditional arrows vs modern.
It's great to get this kind of video as no one else seems to bother with information like this
Been watching for about a year, decided recently to buy my first recurve, even though I've been shooting exclusivity compound for a while. That it factor really is the reason why. The feel and aesthetics of a recurve just stand out, and make me want to get out and shoot.
Never shot bamboo, but I love the "it factor" you put in. I have shot Oxford cedar and Tamrick wood arrow, and lie you said, it just has the "It factor". I had to move away because of my draw length, I need 32 or longer arrows, and most of the shafts I find are 31 or under.
Thanks for inspiring me to start archery and for teaching me
I make my own arrows. My one issue with bamboo arrows (which I like very much) is that 99.99% of the bamboo shafts are baked at high-ish temps to accelerate the drying/seasoning and also for the straightening process. This makes them a little stiffer which is not bad per se, but also quite brittle.
Just bought my first bow. Thanks for the videos
I'm starting my collection of Shatterproof merch off right! Got the T-shirt and travel cup... Just need to slowly add everything else! :P Those quivers and bows look awesome BTW Kramer - nicely made!
love the videos!! im looking to get into archery and bowry and i was wondering if you'd ever consider making a traditional english longbow for a video? keep it up man.
I'll def be checking those bamboo arrows out - they've got "it factor" dripping out of them. I've had fun w/ carbon on my antique bow and figure it's time to play with a material like this. Your bow and quiver pairing in this vid looks awesome, btw!
I got it. Just ordered 24 carbon shafts with really good looking bamboo graphics. But I have natural bamboo shafts also. They are great.
I’ve shot carbon and wood but I’ve never shot Bamboo. Great video and it has given me something to ponder.
I have shot wood arrows for 40 years. No bamboo. Mostly cedar. Some ash. Always were everything I needed
I'm just getting back into archery after about 40 years. I'm trying to learn as mush as I can about everything.
U inspired me to make my first board bow, exactly 1 year ago, I failed a few times but I got there in the end.
Krammer, @3:28 1. go to Pisa Italy. 2. remove fetching from a carbon arrow and from a bamboo arrow. 3. climb to the top of the tower of Pisa. 4. Drop the carbon arrow and the bamboo arrow from the tower at exactly the same time. 5. SURPRISE!!!! the two arrows hit the ground at exactly the same time!!!!!
I started out shooting traditional, and then switched to compounds. I am now back to traditional because of the "IT" factor. Good video.
I’ve been trying to make a board bow following your guide and would love some products. Thanks for all the videos!
love your channel, it inspired me to start my own/first bow build
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on rivercane. I bought 12 bamboo shafts online and was not impressed with the performance. I have been shooting rivercane a couple years and I am really impressed by how durable and accurate they are. Bamboo arrows are heavier because they are solid. A large piece of bamboo is split and only the outer walls are used to make the shafts. This causes a weak point at each node. Rivercane arrows are made from one intact shoot since the joints are not as alternating and pronounced as bamboo. They are hollow like carbon arrows but have natural growth taper that still increases FOC even with light points. The hollow section at the nock and the tip must be filled for about an inch or so with a solid piece to prevent splitting. This can also be used to increase FOC when filled with heavier wood, sand, or even metal wire. I think they bridge the gap between bamboo and carbon while having even more of the “it” factor and classic appearance for me. Personally I shoot a 56lb rawhide backed and fire hardened hickory bow with rivercane arrows and lightweight stone points as my deer hunting setup. Never put any through a chronograph but I would say it shoots over 150fps with around a 500 grain arrow and I have never broken a rivercane shaft shooting at targets or stumps with blunts made from.32 brass casings.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Carbon arrows can also fail catastrophically if they have a crack, where the Bamboo probably wouldn't. (Don't google it, unless you have a strong stomach).
I grew up shooting bow-n-arrow when in grade school I shot a Ben Pearson 28# recurve and when in my 30s I switched to a Jennings super t. I am fortunate that range finders didn't come around till I (just like you) needed something more traditional. So after reading Howard Hill's timbo I realized longbow was it. Now I shoot longbow, recurve, and reflex/reflex hibred longbow. I said all this to tell that I find I am much more comfortable shooting 3 fingers under (as you do) have you ever heard it called the Apache grip??
Those Bamboo arrows are way more resilient than I thought they would be!
Your edits just keep getting better. Nice work!
I learned archery with a recurve bow, it was hard but so much fun. After 7 years with a recurve bow could shoot a target at 40-50 meters away precisly. I only could compare bamboo arrows to wooden arrows, and totally has a difference, a bamboo arrow is durable than a wooden arrow that's for sure. In price a bamboo arrow it has a higher price, becouse it's not so common material. A well made light wooden arrow grouping is comparable to a bamboo arrow. It's more of a choice of preference in my opinion with recureve bows.
The layout of videos are perfect. Love them
You rock bro, I just bought my first bow based on your recommendations. I was just debating on what kind of arrows to buy, so this video is perfectly timed!
No way! Thanks so much Nick! Have the best of time shooting! Thanks for the major support!
I'm going to give wood arrows a try with my longbow. Bamboo and Doug-Fir to start with. I hope they will help with the hand-shock. Thank you!
Archery for me is all about the " it" factor and the enjoyment. Carbon arrows are great, if not sterile and industrial/technical in nature. I trust your opinion and appreciate your video's. Bamboo arrows will find cozy home in my quiver, be sure :))
Man I would love to see you build a short bow, something around 56 inches that can handle a 28 inch draw
I love this page. I have learned so much from it.
Love these videos dude! I just got my first bow so all this information is super useful!
Good video, was looking at some bamboo arrows this morning. Thanks!!
Interesting take. I would agree with you on this. I would definitely prefer wood or bamboo over carbon any day. Not just because they are physically more appealing to fantasy/medieval/traditional archery geeks, but also because they have a deeper history and you feel less like a run of the mill compound archer who is sight aiming with a bow that makes things easier for you. I like a traditional outfit because it tests me as a person, not my equipment.
Blessings on you and your business. Keep doing what you do: showing people an underappreciated art.
Thank you your videos are so helpful and packed with information. Being new to long bows after years of crossbows I'm watching as much as I can while learning to aim better.
Keep up the good work and good shooting
Nice video Kramer! I’m only a year into my archery adventures. On one of my first few visits to the forest for 3d shooting, only shooting the clubs aluminium arrows, I found a wooden arrow. Shot it and got a perfect dead centre shot. My first bow was a hybrid flat bow/ longbow. Only ever shot wooden arrows since then. For me, it was all about the IT factor! The feel is completely different and more satisfying, for sure! Hope the family are well!? Stay shatterproof!
I tried tuning my cedar arrows I can't afford to do that mine must of not even been close I broke one or mabe i should of started off the first shot ?
I was going to get the Kainakai 25lb draw weight bow for my first bow and I can figure out what arrow to get. I've search up spine charts but they all seem different.
Just ordered my second bow string great product.
I own a pinto a 25lb ben Pearson recurve beautiful bow quite long and a real joy to shoot I'm with you!
This sounds amazing! I have never heard of bamboo arrows. Now, now I need to try.
I am on my way to making a bow with my own hands, thanks to you this can come true, your videos are inspirational and exciting.
Cool vid. Always wondered about bamboo arrows
Interesting video!
Would bamboo arrows need dry heat straightening from time to time if kept in rooms with fluctuating humidity?
I saw in 2 comments that boo arrows would be made out of boo wall. I've always shot traditional bows with aluminium and carbon arrows, but I thought target shooting boo arrows are made out of small diameter, whole boo (tubular), and boo splitted wall would be used for flight arrows only (where small diameter should count more).
Just starting to make bows, and hopefully arrows will be next!
love the comparison arrows, the editing and quality of these keep getting better and better.
Great video. I loved the product torture test demonstration of you shaking the dog water out of the strap on quiver. 😁
I find carbon arrows pretty durable. on a missed target with a 35lb bow I hit the skinny metal tube on a solar light that it went straight though and then I hit my rock wall about 10" behind it. The result was only a slightly damaged field tip that was easily replaced but no damage to the shaft.
Have you shot any river cane arrows? Those Chinese tonkin bamboo arrows are pretty good too. Good video.
Awesome video man! You're form is really improving.
I’m working on my first build using your $15 fiberglass tape backed bow build video as a guide. I also made my own bowstrings. Not sure I want to dive into making arrows. Not yet anyway.
have you ever tried choke cherry sinew backed bow i made one few years back it’s just under 40lbs
Was missing your videos, now want that quiver!
I love shotting recurves I started with long and moved on from there but my favorite is the recurve and I have shot with bamboo but it was a very long time ago
A person I just shot a 3d course with said he drills out the point end with a drill the same size of a bamboo cooking skewer. Drop glue in the hole and insert the skewer working it in and out to even out the glue and leave to set up. He the cuts it off and adds his tips. This make them almost indestructible according to him.
Love all your videos man, and the products you produce at shatterproof archery are made with love. You can see it in the craftsmanship. Would be awesome to see a shatterproof archery line of arrows as well.
The IT factor is definitely why I choose recurve over compound!
I've shot aluminum and carbon, and that's about it. I've always heard that wood gets better penetration due to weight, and are more quiet.
So why do you put your arrow rest on the inside instead of outside?
Great video Kramer! All the arrows I made for my hickory longbow have been made from Port Orford Cedar as it was the recommendation from my bow building instructor. They're soft and need straightening frequently. I'd be curious to see a comparison, similar to this video, of all the major arrow materials.
Awesome video. Hope to see some bow build video again soon.
I really like your hip side quiver, it's a quiver that I can get used to, I'm in the process of making a bow, I want to see if I can make a pyramid or molledabet bow and add dry wall tape
"Kramer Ammons" is definitely the name of a Medieval archer! 😎🤘
In France, during competition, you are not allowed to shoot carbon arrows if you 're using a longbow, idk if it is the same in the USA
Trying to get back to it
How much do u charge for a traditional recurve
I feel as if he is head of video production at his church. His video format and style reminds of my church video production. Thats not a bad thing at all they have phenomenal video production.
As a warbow archer, I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between carbon arrows and ash 100lb war arrows.
Im a carbon, all the way fan. Natural materials can vary so much, in density, flexibility, tensile compresion and torque strength, from quarrel to quarrel, can increase your group by 1 foot @ 20-25 yds. Same as natural fletchings. If you want match accuracy, you've got to go, man made!
Make a how to make bamboo clip please
Enjoy your videos. Always informative.
I like what your doin,thanks for making archery cool again ...
Hoping to get back into archery this year!
Thanks for the info. I am about half way through building my fist poplar and fiberglass bow.
Haven't shot a bow in about 10 years, so why not make one right?
Bamboo arrows feel warm and alive in the hand like a part of you.
nice vid, i built my first pvc bow and never knew wich arrow to buy
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Can talk about arrow sizes too? Thanks
This has nothing to do with this episode but I respect your opinion. Take down long bow or one piece long bow. What do you recommend and why? Thank you.
ive been wanting to get a few quivers for my bows
Thanks, this was a very timely video and it has given me much (not less) to consider. I'm getting back into archery having been away for a number of years. I started out back in the 1980s with the same recurve ( Browning Nomad II, 50# ) that I will be restarting with. I switched to a compound for a number of years but that bow is now to heavy both in draw weight and in physical weight. I always enjoyed the recurve more anyway. As for arrows, I was wondering about carbon, having never used them or whether to return to my 2117 aluminum shafts, now you have given me another option to ponder, oh boy. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and always learn something from them. Keep it up. BTW is that outdoor range near you? We have nothing like it, that I know of, in the Denver area.