@TimGrose Yes you have! Especially when it comes to Nike shoes. But overall, I think your analysis is crisp and comprehensive-- you try everything first hand, especially when you compare shoes, then when you get your spreadsheets out :) Well, yea, the comparisons influence not just my choices but also tempt me into buying new shoes even when I dont need any!... I have been on the brink of buying Peg 40 and Vomero 17 many times just because of your analysis of them! So far i have resisted. Now, i am thinking about vf6... i think i will do well if i can put it off until next year!
i think this is one of my Favourate shoe at the moment that i am training in. i would totally recommend this to anyone who needs an all round running shoe. this review totally correct with what i think too
@ well, to adopt Andy’s definition, runner first and influencer second. No Matt Choi in these parts. Nor for that matter dodgy TH-camrs who do 10min/mile in these for 12 miles. Ain’t no way I’m being “influenced” by that!
@@TimGroseIt was not, but you have piqued my interest. I do have a full rotation currently but will add this to a possibility for a replacement in the new year.
@@nbrowne1 ah have yet to try those Puma ones. Always seem hard to get in my size UK 13 even though are made. I did like the Velocity Nitro 3 and did a fair bit in them earlier this year but much more of a more basic daily trainer than this ZF6.
Thanks for clearing the mud off the heels Tim I do find that a bit of an eye sore. I guess you were lucky that you weren't doing any 180 turns around a cone on a coastal parkrun. 🤣 I guess if you're looking for a bit more ground feel you should maybe look towards some of the asics shoes. Keep up the great work. 😎🤘
@@TimGrose I very much am, yes. I gotten a pair of Alphafly 3´s, and want to save them for my marathon in march. But I am also considering if im better of buying another pair of Alphafly 3´s to just make me more used to race in them. But I really feel tempted by you saying the stability and "ease of mind" from using the Zoom Fly 6. But yeah, also saving money is also a nice thing. Its my first marathon, but not my first long distance race.
@ I normally do harder training sessions in Vaporflys (got loads) or Adios Pro 3 so was nice to actually use a non out and out race shoe. Alphafly 3 just seems a lot of shoe in my large UK 13 but I think I would need to use them more if really wanted to race in them. Certainly good idea to use your preferred race shoes in training now and again so ideally yes I would get another AF3 if I were you but they are very expensive. I feel there is also an element of saving my best shoes for race day so optimally get another AF3 & ZL6.
@@TimGrose Thanks a lot for your perspectives Tim! I really appreciate it. Ideally I should get both another set AF3, and a set of ZF6, but yeah, maybe the second pair of AF3 is more important for me to be sure I have the best training in them and the freshest shoes for my marathon. Either way, I'm definitely looking into the ZF6 at some point, cause it ticks all the boxes for my marathon training. 😊👍
I got a pair (EK edition) recently in my UK14, but haven't had chance to run in them yet. Still trying to get back into the swing of things after the NY Marathon. Legs not quite firing enough to enjoy anything other than easy runs right now. Excitied to see if the hype is real. Great looking shoe.
Remember seeing your name when looking at NYM results. Was it a good one for you and what shoes did you use ? Imagine these are going to be about 350g for you - think the only runner I know with longer feet than Andy FOD Runner & me. Never sure what you do if are a UK 15 or more as very few options there.
@@TimGrose The experience was amazing, though my performance was not. I struggled with issues with my right calf not long after doing the first half. After that, it became a run/walk effort to the finish line. Still managed 3:16, so it could have gone worse. Goal was sub 3, which felt really good until the niggles. It was more about the experience, so I'm not too worried. Just need to reset and work on any weaknesses moving forward. I opted for a new pair of Alphafly v1's for the race. It's been my go-to shoe for most races (half and up). The original plan was the Alphafly 3, but I think they're missing that extra punch that I'm after. Didn't want to risk breaking the usual formula. I'll have to get them on the scales and report back on the actual weight.
They are kind of similar (at least in use cases) but find the Zoom Fly 6 stiffer and a feeling got a bit more cushion due to the higher stack. Probably not much in it in "Speed" terms.
If anything they ended up cleaner as was basically just wet and I managed to avoid getting them submerged in a murky puddle. I feel my “luck” may change but equally hope it will be dry next outing in them.
I feel I should be offered a Nike discount for getting to Volt level on NRC. I think I will carry on for now with the Adizero SL2 which I think your characterization is about right: a cheap and light shoe - it’s ok.
Yeah, as ever, if you have a shoe that probably serves a similar type of purpose to one you don't then perhaps it is just FOMO to try another one. I just felt I need a bit more "stability" than the SL2 was offering me so haven't been wearing them of late TBH.
I was a bit slow pondering whether to get these as the v3 and v5 were so poor for me and the black had sold out. I quite like the Kipchoge one I have been some more choice of colours would be good. That said black is good for winter. I was lucky to get away without making my mainly white ones grey in the rain other day.
I honestly don't think you're missing much by not having the Superblast 2's. I fully appreciate that it would be nice to even have the option to buy them in the first place (tut tut Asics) but having had a pair myself who then sold them on I just think the hype got to people and they now have to stick by it 😂 I replaced my Superblast 2's with the Prime X Strung v2 and IMO its just a far better shoe. Anyway, enough of my rambling, I'd like to try these out, but I'm holding off for the release of those Evo SL's and the adizero Pro 4 in January 😂
@matthanna1980 That's a real shame as it's a fantastic shoe 👌🏻 All you big footers need to get a petition together to demand these brands do more for taller people 😁
Actually I do have a UK 13.5 (same as a 13 in Nike) in the Prime X2 Strung. You may recall did a review on it. Bit of a brick in our size (over 400g) and oddly a very shallow toe box which made it feel was a bit short even though it wasn’t. If I overcome numb toes it did, to be fair, roll well but I couldn’t really so abandoned it. I faired better in the original Prime X in a 13.5. Matt has my 12.5 I originally got which were a bit small for me. I did wonder that about Superblast. I never really got that excited with any of the first four versions and the form factor of being a fairly wide and rather clunky shoe in my size did make me think it might well not be for me. I have heard the next version of that and the Metaspeed Sky & Edge will be done in larger sizes so will see. Right now my Nike shoes are mainly all am wearing with only Adios Pro 3 also getting the odd go for sessions.
@TimGrose Yeah I had the same issue initially with the toe box feeling very narrow on my pair but thankfully that seems to have eased up a little and now it's not something I notice too much. I can imagine weight (of the shoe) is always going to be an issue when you have feet the size of ski's 😂 My little size 8's it's never that noticeable haha
@ ah I might have to give them another go but, even so, they did feel like a lot of shoe on my feet. Indeed it is a problem with these very high stack ones. Superblast did appear to be both high stack but not too heavy so for that reason alone can see why they appeal to seemingly quite a few runners.
Yeah it is a bit odd in that regard and quite difficult to detect which is which if did not know. I find the plate makes it feel more "responsive" than "soft". Without a plate this would seemingly be very soft and probably too soft for my liking. Somebody said it is a sort of cross between an Vaporfly & Invincible and can see why.
Yeah and I did try a UK 12 on the Novablast 3 as well as a 13 and concluded firmer was a fraction short and latter bit long but no 12.5 of course. I nearly did buy a 12 in the Superblast 2 but by the time had pondered it was sold out. Then thought am done with spending loads of shoes that may well don’t fit me properly.
Hi Tim, haven’t checked all the comments, but this shoe is currently excluded from Nike promotion (despite the intro on the app saying you get 25% off all full-price products). Seemingly “all” means something different to Nike from the rest of us …
yeah clearly not "all" and indeed looking now it just says 25% Off Full-Price Styles ... Exclusions apply. TBH there aren't many left anyway. Suggest try Sports Shoes as I can usually get 15% off there from my England Athletics affiliation and/or my club's code.
@ I’m a UK10, only got 1 colourway left in that, and it’s the EK edition which costs extra. Your review is very convincing. My speed work trainer is currently the Endorphin Speed, which I really like. Decisions, decisions …
@ the EK one was the only one I could see in my size when I bought mine. Bit annoying to pay £10 extra but at least I had a £20 code so small net gain!
I think if you try the ZF6, I need to try the Novablast 5 :) If the latter is anything like the previous 4 versions then would be a somewhat different use case for me. I never really found any of the NB versions were anything more than an easy day shoe for me. Equally ZF6 is not the obvious choice for easy. My first run in them was meant to be and I soon got quicker.
I just can't decide between this and the Novablast 5 when out.. I am a heel striker and slow runner.. Did today a long run in the Tank (Skyward X) very good shoe.. Did my first run (Tempo 10K)in the Prime X2.. Got excellent numbers but did I enjoy the run ❓ Felt like a tool more than a shoe 😂
If the Novablast 5 is anything like the previous 4 versions then I found it a very different shoe to this ZF6. I would only use the NB as an easy day shoe. That said could be just my size. So certainly not either or for me but appreciate can’t try literally every shoe.
@@CorGP ah not seen too many who don’t like them. Who in particular are you thinking of? I generally like Nike shoes but not all of them and indeed the Zoom Fly 3 and 5 I tried but did not like at all. On other hand really liking this version 6.
Yeah seems does not apply here in UK either but 15% at Sports Shoes should work for us. It is a bit loud yes but in a sort of satisfying way. When I was running in an urban area yesterday perhaps helps others to hear me approaching :)
Ah that’s annoying but I see Sports Shoes have them and should be able to get 15% there. I can use either my England Athletics code or my athletics club’s one. On the Nike website they have nearly sold out so that I’d probably the reason. I managed to pick up a 2nd pair of Peg Plus for 25% off but only seemingly in one colour (fortunately the white/volt one was after) and only then seemed to work on the app.
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Brilliant Tim, another reviewer who's glowing about this shoe, I might have to bite the bullet on this one and just order it!
Yeah I think you will like it. Not sure be great for your forest trails (or towpaths) but should be good for touring Industrial estates.
Hi Tim! Was waiting on your full review of this one... I am tempted to buy it now!
Well done, Nike!
I will make an influencer yet LOL. Good to hear this helped. Certainly one to try out if you can I think.
@TimGrose Yes you have! Especially when it comes to Nike shoes.
But overall, I think your analysis is crisp and comprehensive-- you try everything first hand, especially when you compare shoes, then when you get your spreadsheets out :)
Well, yea, the comparisons influence not just my choices but also tempt me into buying new shoes even when I dont need any!... I have been on the brink of buying Peg 40 and Vomero 17 many times just because of your analysis of them! So far i have resisted.
Now, i am thinking about vf6... i think i will do well if i can put it off until next year!
Nike are back. Live these also and have 2 pairs. Awesome blend of comfort and pace and looks very long lasting.
Ah good to hear. Do you use both in rotation or are you saving the 2nd pair for later?
@ saving the EK pair for summer rotation with AF3’3 🤤
i think this is one of my Favourate shoe at the moment that i am training in. i would totally recommend this to anyone who needs an all round running shoe. this review totally correct with what i think too
Ah good to know you agree with my thoughts.
I think this might be going on my Xmas wish list!
I will make an influencer yet :)
@ well, to adopt Andy’s definition, runner first and influencer second. No Matt Choi in these parts.
Nor for that matter dodgy TH-camrs who do 10min/mile in these for 12 miles. Ain’t no way I’m being “influenced” by that!
Think might be being generous - was it 5 miles and 11 min miles…
A good review , thanks Tim.
Thanks for watching. Is it a shoe on your radar ?
@@TimGroseIt was not, but you have piqued my interest. I do have a full rotation currently but will add this to a possibility for a replacement in the new year.
Thanks for the review. I bought a pait straight when it came out. Glad I did as here (in Holland) most of them are sold out 😂
Good move. Been enjoying mine for sure. In fact did an interval session in them today.
Good insights thank you! Will look at it when my Puma Deviate Nitro 2s expire
@@nbrowne1 ah have yet to try those Puma ones. Always seem hard to get in my size UK 13 even though are made. I did like the Velocity Nitro 3 and did a fair bit in them earlier this year but much more of a more basic daily trainer than this ZF6.
Thanks for clearing the mud off the heels Tim I do find that a bit of an eye sore. I guess you were lucky that you weren't doing any 180 turns around a cone on a coastal parkrun. 🤣 I guess if you're looking for a bit more ground feel you should maybe look towards some of the asics shoes. Keep up the great work. 😎🤘
@@BenNotley yeah TBF not really a shoe to come out with you on hilly muddy towpaths. That would need a lot of flash wipes to clean up.
Thanks for a great review! 😜👍
@@Skjoldborg8 many thanks! Are you thinking of getting a pair ?
@@TimGrose I very much am, yes. I gotten a pair of Alphafly 3´s, and want to save them for my marathon in march. But I am also considering if im better of buying another pair of Alphafly 3´s to just make me more used to race in them. But I really feel tempted by you saying the stability and "ease of mind" from using the Zoom Fly 6. But yeah, also saving money is also a nice thing. Its my first marathon, but not my first long distance race.
@ I normally do harder training sessions in Vaporflys (got loads) or Adios Pro 3 so was nice to actually use a non out and out race shoe. Alphafly 3 just seems a lot of shoe in my large UK 13 but I think I would need to use them more if really wanted to race in them. Certainly good idea to use your preferred race shoes in training now and again so ideally yes I would get another AF3 if I were you but they are very expensive. I feel there is also an element of saving my best shoes for race day so optimally get another AF3 & ZL6.
@@TimGrose Thanks a lot for your perspectives Tim! I really appreciate it. Ideally I should get both another set AF3, and a set of ZF6, but yeah, maybe the second pair of AF3 is more important for me to be sure I have the best training in them and the freshest shoes for my marathon. Either way, I'm definitely looking into the ZF6 at some point, cause it ticks all the boxes for my marathon training. 😊👍
I got a pair (EK edition) recently in my UK14, but haven't had chance to run in them yet. Still trying to get back into the swing of things after the NY Marathon. Legs not quite firing enough to enjoy anything other than easy runs right now. Excitied to see if the hype is real. Great looking shoe.
Remember seeing your name when looking at NYM results. Was it a good one for you and what shoes did you use ? Imagine these are going to be about 350g for you - think the only runner I know with longer feet than Andy FOD Runner & me. Never sure what you do if are a UK 15 or more as very few options there.
@@TimGrose The experience was amazing, though my performance was not. I struggled with issues with my right calf not long after doing the first half. After that, it became a run/walk effort to the finish line. Still managed 3:16, so it could have gone worse. Goal was sub 3, which felt really good until the niggles. It was more about the experience, so I'm not too worried. Just need to reset and work on any weaknesses moving forward.
I opted for a new pair of Alphafly v1's for the race. It's been my go-to shoe for most races (half and up). The original plan was the Alphafly 3, but I think they're missing that extra punch that I'm after. Didn't want to risk breaking the usual formula.
I'll have to get them on the scales and report back on the actual weight.
Thinking of getting these and trading in the Saucony Speed 4.
They are kind of similar (at least in use cases) but find the Zoom Fly 6 stiffer and a feeling got a bit more cushion due to the higher stack. Probably not much in it in "Speed" terms.
Nice and very thorough review. Sadly mine is not looking that white anymore, don't know how you do it!
If anything they ended up cleaner as was basically just wet and I managed to avoid getting them submerged in a murky puddle. I feel my “luck” may change but equally hope it will be dry next outing in them.
I feel I should be offered a Nike discount for getting to Volt level on NRC.
I think I will carry on for now with the Adizero SL2 which I think your characterization is about right: a cheap and light shoe - it’s ok.
Yeah, as ever, if you have a shoe that probably serves a similar type of purpose to one you don't then perhaps it is just FOMO to try another one. I just felt I need a bit more "stability" than the SL2 was offering me so haven't been wearing them of late TBH.
I love mine in black, will definitely grab another if they release a good color, currently we only have black and white for mens.
I was a bit slow pondering whether to get these as the v3 and v5 were so poor for me and the black had sold out. I quite like the Kipchoge one I have been some more choice of colours would be good. That said black is good for winter. I was lucky to get away without making my mainly white ones grey in the rain other day.
Looks like a winner.
Yeah think so.
I honestly don't think you're missing much by not having the Superblast 2's. I fully appreciate that it would be nice to even have the option to buy them in the first place (tut tut Asics) but having had a pair myself who then sold them on I just think the hype got to people and they now have to stick by it 😂 I replaced my Superblast 2's with the Prime X Strung v2 and IMO its just a far better shoe. Anyway, enough of my rambling, I'd like to try these out, but I'm holding off for the release of those Evo SL's and the adizero Pro 4 in January 😂
Sadly the Prime X2 Strung also aren't available in a UK13.
@matthanna1980 That's a real shame as it's a fantastic shoe 👌🏻 All you big footers need to get a petition together to demand these brands do more for taller people 😁
Actually I do have a UK 13.5 (same as a 13 in Nike) in the Prime X2 Strung. You may recall did a review on it. Bit of a brick in our size (over 400g) and oddly a very shallow toe box which made it feel was a bit short even though it wasn’t. If I overcome numb toes it did, to be fair, roll well but I couldn’t really so abandoned it. I faired better in the original Prime X in a 13.5. Matt has my 12.5 I originally got which were a bit small for me. I did wonder that about Superblast. I never really got that excited with any of the first four versions and the form factor of being a fairly wide and rather clunky shoe in my size did make me think it might well not be for me. I have heard the next version of that and the Metaspeed Sky & Edge will be done in larger sizes so will see. Right now my Nike shoes are mainly all am wearing with only Adios Pro 3 also getting the odd go for sessions.
@TimGrose Yeah I had the same issue initially with the toe box feeling very narrow on my pair but thankfully that seems to have eased up a little and now it's not something I notice too much. I can imagine weight (of the shoe) is always going to be an issue when you have feet the size of ski's 😂 My little size 8's it's never that noticeable haha
@ ah I might have to give them another go but, even so, they did feel like a lot of shoe on my feet. Indeed it is a problem with these very high stack ones. Superblast did appear to be both high stack but not too heavy so for that reason alone can see why they appeal to seemingly quite a few runners.
EVA can be softer than PEBA. Who knew…
Yeah it is a bit odd in that regard and quite difficult to detect which is which if did not know. I find the plate makes it feel more "responsive" than "soft". Without a plate this would seemingly be very soft and probably too soft for my liking. Somebody said it is a sort of cross between an Vaporfly & Invincible and can see why.
FYI - the Superblast V1 runs quite long. I picked up some used UK12's, and there's some space ahead of my toes. Saying that, I'm a 'small' UK13
Yeah and I did try a UK 12 on the Novablast 3 as well as a 13 and concluded firmer was a fraction short and latter bit long but no 12.5 of course. I nearly did buy a 12 in the Superblast 2 but by the time had pondered it was sold out. Then thought am done with spending loads of shoes that may well don’t fit me properly.
Hi Tim, haven’t checked all the comments, but this shoe is currently excluded from Nike promotion (despite the intro on the app saying you get 25% off all full-price products). Seemingly “all” means something different to Nike from the rest of us …
yeah clearly not "all" and indeed looking now it just says 25% Off Full-Price Styles ... Exclusions apply. TBH there aren't many left anyway. Suggest try Sports Shoes as I can usually get 15% off there from my England Athletics affiliation and/or my club's code.
@ I’m a UK10, only got 1 colourway left in that, and it’s the EK edition which costs extra. Your review is very convincing. My speed work trainer is currently the Endorphin Speed, which I really like. Decisions, decisions …
@ the EK one was the only one I could see in my size when I bought mine. Bit annoying to pay £10 extra but at least I had a £20 code so small net gain!
I'm feeling...influenced... 🤔
I think if you try the ZF6, I need to try the Novablast 5 :) If the latter is anything like the previous 4 versions then would be a somewhat different use case for me. I never really found any of the NB versions were anything more than an easy day shoe for me. Equally ZF6 is not the obvious choice for easy. My first run in them was meant to be and I soon got quicker.
I just can't decide between this and the Novablast 5 when out.. I am a heel striker and slow runner.. Did today a long run in the Tank (Skyward X) very good shoe.. Did my first run (Tempo 10K)in the Prime X2.. Got excellent numbers but did I enjoy the run ❓ Felt like a tool more than a shoe 😂
If the Novablast 5 is anything like the previous 4 versions then I found it a very different shoe to this ZF6. I would only use the NB as an easy day shoe. That said could be just my size. So certainly not either or for me but appreciate can’t try literally every shoe.
Been seeing mixed reviews on these. The Nike people seem to like them.
@@CorGP ah not seen too many who don’t like them. Who in particular are you thinking of? I generally like Nike shoes but not all of them and indeed the Zoom Fly 3 and 5 I tried but did not like at all. On other hand really liking this version 6.
It does feel quite fun this shoe . Had a bit of a freak problem but my second pair seem to be holding up . Definitely comfortable and fun under feet
Ah good you tried again. It was weird I recall you said the outsole came off before had even started a run.
@TimGrose yeah well they are mass produced do maybe the glue was finished 🤣
Nice war memorial there :😊
Ah yes East Meon in Hampshire. I did the customary "two strides" for a "review" before deciding to actually go off and do 11 hilly miles afterwards.
The 25% discount does not apply to this shoe in Canada. It sounds loud!
Yeah seems does not apply here in UK either but 15% at Sports Shoes should work for us. It is a bit loud yes but in a sort of satisfying way. When I was running in an urban area yesterday perhaps helps others to hear me approaching :)
Darn it the Nike discount isn’t applicable to the Zoomfly 6😢
Ah that’s annoying but I see Sports Shoes have them and should be able to get 15% there. I can use either my England Athletics code or my athletics club’s one. On the Nike website they have nearly sold out so that I’d probably the reason. I managed to pick up a 2nd pair of Peg Plus for 25% off but only seemingly in one colour (fortunately the white/volt one was after) and only then seemed to work on the app.
I used APP10 in their app and got 10%, they also give me a THANKYO for 15% will use it for a 2nd pair lol.
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