In the always civil TH-cam comments I was defending the bishop in his support of pope francis against one of the most hateful speech I've ever heard a christian use in first hand. Kinda breaks my heart to hear someone so afraid and ignorant. Keep up the good work father you make me proud to not just be catholic but a thinking christian.
@@mariadeven4112 oh no I just reread it and I start it sarcastic so I see why you would think I continue as such. No I am not I really connect with what Bishop Barron says. He has not only built up my faith but he has also had my very liberal mind think about so many subjects in new light that I had never considered before.
It boils down to this "love one another as I have loved you". Jesus gave his life so that we may be saved. Can we not give of ourselves to help our fellow man?
Give to God! Governments are as corrupt as any godless person. When God wants you to give, you just know it; it feels right to you. Whan governments take your hard earned things and give them to fund abortion, Euthanasia, martial law enforcement... Your freedom... How is that giving to God?
Yes, bro. But have to be done by charity and Grace. Not with the State forcing us to do it. The “Catholic” social justice warriors make allies with the Devil when they vote for libtards just because they hate “injustice”. I told one I am all for equality if we start by equality in effort and responsibility. The sucker didn’t know what to say.
Out of love, truth. Out of truth, clarity. Out of clarity, understanding. Out of understanding, change of heart. Out of fullness of heart, love. Peace to all.
So many questions and concerns all around Bishop Barron. I have some many concerns and worries. God Bless you. I just pray to God almighty for clarity, understanding and love.
Indeed!!...Your Grace Bishop Barron: Thank you!!..for coming out openly and throwing light on all the misinformations propagated either by those who do not have a full and proper understanding of what Holy Father Pope Francis IS, in His Superior intelligent Wisdom, professing, or by those with malicious intent. No, not attempting to portray an image of total support for the Papacy, but, am indeed, throwing weight behind the need to try and understand what The Man who also happens to have been "Chosen" as the person to lead The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Of JESUS CHRIST on earth, is expressing as a studied view.
The Pope has a lot of spokes people. But Bishop Barron is the loudest speaker of them all, and a voice of reason, that's all. It's because he is not an extreme right or left person but a teacher about truth of the Gospel like a Jesuit is supposed to be. Like I myself have been taught by my own brothers and sisters in the Jesuit way and Franciscan way. God bless Bishop Barron and Word on Fire Ministry Team.
Amen Bishop!!!! & I read your letter to a suffering church, God bless you & praying for you & your brother priests, especially for the 3 theological virtues & 4 cardinal virtues!!!🤗🤗💞💞🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Bishop Barron!! This needed to be brought to the attention of all. Words get so taken out of context it causes misinformation to the point of causing more division.
Thank God we have Popes and Priests who think like Jesus. And of course they will be vilified just as Jesus was. God bless you Archbishop Barron. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Catholicism has always taught that we ought to give to the needy when we ourselves have enough. That is a solid message and it promotes love. It's a loving act to do these because we are, out of our own free will, willing the good of another. It's fantastic! However, the love is effectively removed from the act when a government doesn't allow you to give out of your own free will, but rather they take it themselves and spread it out to whomever they feel needs it, or to whomever they please, really. So we should be encouraged to be generous, but always allowed to have the choice to be so. Not forced. The prerequisite for all love and loving acts is firstly the ability to CHOOSE it.
@@christophersleight19 You're right in that the Church doesn't "own" the scripture ... however, members of the Church did write it and the Church did assemble it and canonize it.
@@kdmdlo , well, thanks for your comment. There seems to be a disconnect with History, the origin of Aramaic Hebrew and Greek documents written up to 4000 Thousand years ago and a Pagan off shoot of Christianity started in 320 AD. Scripture goes from Divinely inspired Text written by at least 40 different people over a 2100 year period to "written by the Catholic Church." Something is not accurate here.
Pope Francis is quite prophetic. Our society needs this refreshing feeling of love for humanity. There's a lot of greed and individuality. The sense of the common good greatly lost. Francis is really out there when he speaks. Bravo..Your Excellency for making this come to light in a new way.
Great explanation, thanks, it reminds me of the 10 commandments course I took: when they delved into the Do not steal commandment, I was blown away by the explanation, nobody ever taught me that, and I'm in my 40s!!
Thank you for these clear words! I can hardly understand, how people only dare to put our Pope into a far left corner. I am from Germany, and we could feel both, free, but social market policy and communism/socialism behind the iron curtain. Both advantages and disadvantages could be seen and watched like in a laboratory . The west german capitalizm has always been influenced by the catholic social teaching. According to the still existing Salier Treaty from the early Holy Roman Empire, all public councils had to be with 4 wordly deputies and 3 clerics. This principle was never given up. Thus the church's influence still can be found in public authorities. We are well advised to never give up these principles to neo liberalism/capitalism, called shark philosophy, surviving of the fittest. This leads to fascism at the end. I love Pope Francis for his wide heart and concern for creatures of all kind, like St. Francis did. Catholics, especially in America, do not behave like many authortarian societies, like former USSR or China to prove to the world, who represents the real communism !!!. Our christianity should come out of our hearts and not from any doctrine, which may be misinterpreted so many times.
Thank you for the clarification. Wish Pope Francis would be more clear like you. My husband and I look forward to giving money to charitable organizations like Catholic Outreach, Sudan Relief Fund, Rescue mission, our kids😁etc. . I believe that is giving from our possessions. It’s a good feeling to be charitable and it makes us truly happy . Thanks Bishop Barron. Sometimes we get swallowed up by the negativity out there.
James 3:17 defines wisdom as pure, peace loving, willing to reason, full of mercy with the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. Quite honestly, I believe that about you, Bishop. I'm not fully convinced Pope Francis has treated the Church with as much wisdom. I will listen to this more than once. Thank you for the resources you present as evidence.
One of the things I appreciate about this video - and the Catholic Church in general - is it really does force you to acknowlege your own biases. In an age where most media entities seem geared to appeasing and pleasing their viewers - telling them what they want to hear - it's refreshing to have your views and biases challenged and being encouraged for a little bit of self-inspection. Better to examine how your views are in conflict with the Church, than to use the Church to seek justification of them.
Maybe the danger that lies in that line of thought is that, although it stresses charity as maybe the basis of the christian ethos, it also reduces that charity to a certain materialism when it talks about the nation state, sure, it is fundamental to help the poor countries, but, if you do that without the catholic will in the state, it can become a destructive force. More or less, charity without the unification of the objective catholic principles, can become destructive and lead to something like socialism. I love the work of this channel, that's just what came to mind while watching.
I think that some people take things out of context and not understanding what is meant. I'm grateful that I don't use social media anymore because there's always someone that wants to give you a hard time
Yes but let it not worry you ! The Church has endured Pope hate since St Peter ! Division has weakened it ,leading the world to what it is today ! No matter what and man's refusal to obey Him and His commandments, God still drives here 😊😊😊. There are conversions all the time ! We are still here and to stay 😊😊😊 till His return ! The most important is to fallow Him and stay in His will ! God bless you and family 💗 💟 💟
@Jushz Chlebek Pope Francis was appointed by God ,he's the Pope respectful behavior should always be used by Catholics towards the Holy Father ! Slander ,gossip, demeaning words,name calling , are not the way that Our Lord wants us to be ,to be cleansed in Christ, the new man ,isn't about worldly hateful behavior read Colossians Chapter 3 for ex . Remember that EVERY SINGLE WORD WE SAY WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR ON JUDGEMENT DAY ! Slander is a mortal sin ,so is gossip, false accusations( fake news slander) if many don't understand, it's to at least be kind, loving ,and mercyful in wording their confusion ! Not everyone hates the Pope but many do, if no one hates the Pope, please show some love 💖💗 sin is destruction of the self and others ,slander hurts and destroys ones credibility . Name calling is derision, to make fun of another isn't Christian behavior it's destructive to the other ,hurtful ! God bless
Being Pope means to have alot of ennemies, ennemies of the Church will write, promote anything to divide it and cause strife within it .Personally I was raised Catholic, the Pope is sacred ground! To go against the Pope is to go against the Church, which to a true Roman Catholic, is unacceptable. The Pope's have ensured the survival of Holy Church since St Peter. We are no longer under Roman Catholic monarchy, since the French Revolution, we now deal with Governments . In the 60s the Church was voted OUT by the hippy sexual revolution ect . What was left of Catholic rule became government authority . Vatican 2 has nothing to do with people's votes in the 60s and wanting out of All of Christianity ! Had everyone stayed with Holy Church and Pope since the beginning, when it was God's plan to establish His Kingdom on earth, instead of dividing , living in His will ,things sure wouldn't be this way .. .Over 400 million Christians are being persecuted right now . The Pope does what he can, not what he wants to do ! ✌
@@godisinchargesueowl8599 Explain his secret deal with the Chinese communist party ?, explain why he meets with the NBA , no social distancing or masks, but he can't meet with Cardinal Zen ?. He is disliked and not trusted for very good reasons !.
In the context of last years turbulence and the great reset the Popes teaching come in another light. And even if the aid to poor countries is well intended the results have been dismal.
I am so grateful for Bishop Barron's clarification regarding Pope Francis message. I love Pope Francis and often surprised by Catholic accusations of socialism. We need biblical scholars and priests to teach us both the intent of the teachings as well as how to live. We must love more, give more of ourselves. Simple message; very hard to live indeed.
I pray for our Pope Francis and dear priests “That their hearts and souls may remain immune to the attacks of these times, so that the Holy Spirit may work through them with a renewing strength that may bring and grant forgiveness and reconciliation to all those are fallen and have lost their faith” .( Jesus message Tuesday 21, 2020)
First of all thank you for this video and in general for all your work in evangelization. I have truly benefitted from the WoF initiative as I have learned more about the catholic faith and it has increased my interest to read more and learn more. As a trained economist, I have always been particularly interested in the encyclicals that teach us more about catholic social teaching and thus, I was very excited to read Fratelli Tutti. The amount of wisdom from this encyclical and the interpretation and implications of the parable of the good samaritan is beautiful. It is unfortunate how some outlets have genralized and sensationalized snippets of the encyclical and I find it very useful how you debunk these interpretations. I have also read an analysis by Prof. Philip Booth on the Tablet of Fratelli Tutti which reflects my open questions on Fratelli Tutti. For academics working on discussions of political economy, economists discussing the merits of a free market or an ordo liberal approach the dialogue offered by the encyclica does not offer guidance related to latent topics in the discussion. Especially the portrayal of the neoliberal approach would seem like a caricature of the merits in the arguments and I and many others would have like to see a more focused dialogue with the leading free market approaches (Neo-Keynesian, etc...). Related to the video, the discussion of aid between the states would need a bit more clarification. I think we will agree that aid for the poor is necessary, the question is not if but how. Does debt forgiveness work? Should we increase trade? and so on... Another question I have also seen, from St. Thomas Aquinas and Bishop Barron is the discussion of usury. Usury as such is a way of taking advantage of those who are needy. A fair interest charged on the time value of money is in many ways the opposite of usury. To oppose interest for loans and portray it as usury is in my view the same as equating eating a regular meal with gluttony. I think St. Thomas Aquinas point within his context and with the existing financial institutions at the time were probably valid, but I don't know how it applies within our context. Once again, thank you very much for the thought provoking video and I'll keep you in my prayers :)
I absolutely love(d) fratelli tutti. I love(d) every word. It was/is beautiful and felt like finding a treasure that I couldn't wait to share with everyone I knew. Pope Francis is a Saint a beautiful Saint. Thank you father for the beauty of your creation in our Holy Father we need him thank you for sending him.
We can see the genius of Catholic social teaching, in its applying of both the universal destination of goods and the right to private property to whole nations and communities, not just personal consumer goods or money.
I totally agreed about sharing with other, however what I dont agree is making the government to dictate what and when to share.. it is up to each individual to do the will of GOD!!..
I agree. There are several persons I help as I can. I do not want someone telling me to give to this person but not to the person whom I know needs it.
The Bishop explains the principle well here. What is not addressed is real world practicality. At scale lending the helping hand, can infact create dependence, the very opposite of the original end goal. This problem arises in the modern globalised world, where the amount of incoming poor to let's say America or Europe is simply overwhelming. There is seemingly no end to those who need assistance. America and the EU cannot support the entire 3rd world. Every economy has a certain carrying capacity of people, same with a parcel of farmland. The population and their needs cannot be supplied by just one part of the globe. The underlying assumption of the principle is that there is indeed a genuine necessity, not simply people seeking economic advantage outside their home country. This underlying principle, implies the right, of the giving country to determine entry on a case by case basis according to the legitimatcy of the claim by the needy and, the amount of extra available to give to them. The Pope's letter goes to far, it says that not just basic necessities are to be provided, but every advantage of living in the receiving country. This includes higher education, housing, work, and wages, etc, this goes well beyond emergency necessity assistance. His letter envisions no effective de facto borders between nations. The other issue not addresed is many cases those asking for help, do not share any common values with the giver. This disrupts community cohesion in the giving country, and can create more problems than the original well intentioned handout solves. Those receiving according to Aquinas, are obligated to respect the laws of the giving nation. Many times this simply does not occur. In the worst examples, it is because the needy have values that are completely antithetical to the giving nation and its peoples. For example, EU nations have no moral obligation to allow someone in to their country, or allow them to register on the dole rolls who has 5 wives and a child bride, such is prohibited in their country. When you are a guest in someone else's home, you are obligated to obey their rules, same when immigrating and accepting assistance.
If you want to know Pope Francis, read his new book, Let Us Dream. This is a book where he tells us what he believes and who he is and what he is thinking about current events like coronavirus, politics, and protests etc.
Great to hear your bold support to our beloved Pope. Those who really know Christ and pursue the love of God, ultimately understand the plight of suffering Christ as any poor, immigrant, homeless and jobless human. Once somebody know God they could easily understand, what is the universal destination of goods.
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for your anointed words. "Where Peter is, there is the Church." -St. Ambrose It must be to tough deal with people who have decided not to listen before you start talking, or to be lectured on politics and Communism by people who wouldn't know Marshal Tito from Tito Puente. May all come to enjoy the blessings and peace that Jesus gives through humble faith in His Holy Spirit providentially at work through the Church.
Here are some quotes from Rerum Novarum: "The first and most fundamental principle, therefore, if one would undertake to alleviate the condition of the masses, must be the inviolability of private property." "We have seen that this great labor question cannot be solved save by assuming as a principle that private ownership must be held sacred and inviolable." Now here is a quote from Fratelli Tutti: "For my part, I would observe that 'the Christian tradition has never recognized the right to private property as absolute or inviolable, and has stressed the social purpose of all forms of private property'.[95] For those wondering what is being cited, Pope Francis is citing himself from Laudato Si. While I would agree that Catholic social teaching is flexible on the social/legal arrangements of private property (According to Laborem Excercens by St. JPII, "Christian tradition has never upheld this right [to property] as absolute and untouchable), I think Pope Francis took it too far when he contradicted Pope Leo XIII on the inviolability of private ownership. Yes, the right to ownership is far more nuanced than many might consider it to be, but it ought not to be violated as Fratelli Tutti suggests.
No, that's misleading. Both Leo and Francis are insisting that the sure right to private property is situated within the wider context of the universal destination of goods. As I said in the video, the same Leo who is adamantly in favor of private property also insists on the moral demand to provide for the poor out of our surplus. To focus in on particular verbal formulations isn't helpful.
@@BishopBarron Firstly, thank you for responding! I have been following you for many years, even before you were made a Bishop. It is an honor. Secondly, I totally agree with you and Popes Francis and Leo in regard to the universal destination of all goods. You did a very good job in the video of showing the consistent teaching of the Church on this, dating back long before even Rerum Novarum. My only divergement with you and the Holy Father is that I do believe the particular verbal formulations are important. It is very confusing to read the first social encyclical saying that property is inviolable, only to see in the most recent social encyclical that it actually can be violated. Again, I would agree that private property is not absolute, in the sense that we do have obligations with our wealth and the lawful authorities may set certain parameters around the use of property. I think we are all largely in agreement in these things, but precise language is important in order to avoid confusion. Had that sentence from Fratelli Tutti/Amoris Laetitia been only slightly modified, it may have made the making of this video unnecessary.
@@williamcrawford7621 We agree therefore that the teo Popes have the same viewpoint. My problem is that certain people on the right have used the language issue to invent a quarrel and make Francis seem like a radical, when he is clearly standing with the mainstream of the tradition.
@@BishopBarron I do give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt as he is the Holy Father, but in making his language seemingly contradict a landmark encyclical like Rerum Novarum, he opens himself to the doubts that you now have to address. And so as not to take sides in these divisive times for the nation, there are also certain people on the left in the Church who, similar to how Concillium has done with Vatican II, claim that Pope Francis is a sharp break with tradition and is a radical for their own cause. Left and right alike are given an opportunity to label him a radical when the language is so imprecise, and this in turn will lead to greater confusion within the Church. Anyways, God bless both you and your evangelical work!
This is where a conundrum comes in: 1) Private property is good. Sharing more than you need is better. 2) States have a right to govern for themselves. Status should also take care of countries that are less fortunate. Insofar as sharing any excesses are due to free will, this works out well. Ultimately, the state can only GIVE what it first TAKES from others. How do you reconcile that with the right to own private property?
It is necessary to distinguish between legality and morality. We are indeed morally obligated to return the gifts God has given us to Him by devoting them to our fellow human beings. But that must be a moral and not a legal obligation. A legal obligation to distribute possessions is in effect an abrogation of private property. Legally and politically, private property depends upon the assumption that one is free to determine that property's use. The property truly belongs to whoever directs its use. Forced redistribution is a violation of free will. Charity (as an aspect of love) is always an act of will, so forced redistribution is not charity. Love cannot be forced. Every government necessarily depends upon taxation. We may democratically negotiate commitments to particular services as a community. But distribution by unseen proxy is an impersonal way of giving which does not engage the soul. To the extent that distributive acts are transferred from voluntary and personal associations to mandatory and systemic programs (government), our property is not given so much as taken; not possessed (controlled) so much as handled. A gift can only be voluntary. The Church claims to believe in the principle of subsidiarity - action at the most local (informed, personal, voluntary) level possible. We should resist the transfer of distributive moral obligations to statistics-focused national programs and return to the example of Mother Theresa who offered charity face-to-face with a smile. Nobody sees the face of Jesus in a spreadsheet.
Right on, bro. You said it just like I should have. These social justice fanatics are making friends with the Devil by supporting a doctrine that can only be carried out by the power of the State. How about Grace First. Probably then, the better off will be more charitable and the desolate will be more gracious and productive. 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻. Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.
It's funny actually. I was listening to Church militant and LifeSiteNews on how Fratelli Tutti was somewhat socialist a few months ago, but having read the first 2 chapters of the letter (reading the rest rn), the Pope's messaging, while sus in isolation, makes sense within the greater context of the book, as Bishop Barron states. Man dodging and weaving in between this digital society is pretty nuts.
Pope Francis words are yes challenging, but worth to meditate upon. Personally, to me just reaffirms and reminds ; that all that I have comes from God, it’s His Blessings that have made way for all that I have. Did I wrk for them ?yes, but who gave the talents, the opportunities to that job, even the health. God did. And why me and no others? Bc He is commissioning me be the the steward of all he has given me.. when I share with others is not me giving to others, it’s God doing it and me His Venue. He is the actual owner of everything. When countries or people’s feel is my land, one must remember who created it. Yes as stewards, we can use and benefit, but never forget that our ownership is actually a stewardship. Yes we. Just set healthy boundaries and rules, as long as , those are set in prayer and accordance to His Will, His Word. When we are called to Him ( death), what will we replied to Mathew 25. When I was hungry, naked....
I love Bishop Barron and I thank him for every video posted. What he is saying here is precious, but I cannot pretend to ignore what the mainstream media made of the "Fratelli Tutti". And the same happens each and every time with this Pope's word. Isn't that His word is somewhat keen to be distorted, may be abused, maybe changed, maybe stretched a little or a lot? Often a catholic priest hurries up to explain us that the Pope's message has been misunderstood, but never the same clarification comes from the Pope's press office or from Himself. These very same media which are supposed to "distort" the Pope's messages are the same which adore him and put him with enthusiasm in their front pages. It seems to us, and I'm an italian writing from Italy, that there is a circularity between our Pope and the "distorting" mainstream media, it seems to us that they are looking for each other. Remember John Paul? Remember Benedictus? What they made of those Popes every and each time they spoke? And I am old enough to remember the terrible attacks that Paul VI had to suffer from the Italian media at the time. Francisco's predecessors used us to a word where yes was yes, no was no. The alarm on the "Fratelli tutti" has been risen because in our era a group of powerful and influential people seem to question the private property. The Pope's message as timing and content could not please them more.
I'm troubled by his support and reception of e.g. Jeffrey Sachs at conferences in the Vatican. I would like you Bishop Barron for whose views I usually have great respect to address the comments of John R.T.B. on this page....on issues which may be causing great anxiety among the faithful..?
@@claborn79 He’s a socialist that believes the world is overpopulated and we need to have abortion to keep numbers down. Pope Francis has invited him to speak at the Vatican more than any non-cleric
@@daniellennox8804 I don't know anything about him. I study ecological justice issues. Concerns about overpopulation is a feature of "ecofascism" - focusing on overpopulation instead of the real problem (overconsumption - each American consumes about 50x the amount of sub-Saharan Africans) can quickly lead into eugenics and the idea that some lives are worth more than others.
"the use of private property for the sake of the common good".......sorry Bishop, but this type of verbiage is straight out of the Saul Alinsky handbook. It's nothing but a cleverly worded, Marxist "double-speak". Because the obvious question is always the same....WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS THE COMMON GOOD?? If it's the property owner who decides....fine. But if it is the bureaucratic elite who decide.....good luck and buckle up, because Communism is right around the corner.
I agree that Catholic social teaching (and Catholic teaching more generally) is not squarely in line with either political party, and agree with how you’ve explained and given helpful context for the Pope’s writings. I’ll echo what other commenters are saying here, though, in stressing that the moral obligation to share our abundance with the less fortunate tends to be spun by the left as a justification for the state’s compelling that “sharing” (at which point it does become a form of socialism). So, no, Pope Francis is not socialist, but by not more clearly articulating the distinction between voluntary sharing and state compelled redistribution, he (perhaps inadvertently) supports those in our society who would pursue the later approach.
I agree absolutely but as a pensioner I have to evaluate questions of integrity and intent on a person who turns up at my doorstep. i.e. keep myself safe - this is an ideal coming from the vatican which is surrounded by guards.
I must admit, I was a bit apprehensive about the document after hearing all the buzz around it, but when I actually read the document, I found there was almost nothing that gave me any pause (besides perhaps painting immigration issues with too broad a brush), and in fact, there are some really profound observations about the human condition in the 21st century in it. The challenge with the Holy Father is that, as the good bishop says, he speaks in a sort of prophetic mode, which opens itself up to misinterpretation. And, in defense of the critics, his Holiness doesn’t exactly go out of his way to correct those who champion the document as a triumph of socialism and the “new world order”. In this time where we are verging on schism, especially in the American church, the Bishops really needs to reach out in love to reactionary voices; sadly, we often see a sort of annoyed dismissal of them. Videos like this are very helpful in bridging the gap.
I had the same experience with the encyclical actually. I suppose the best we can do is really try to bridge the gap between in the political sects of Catholicism first, then Christendom as a whole.
The only problem I have with all this, is that people who (rightly) remind us of the Universal Destiny of all goods tend to not make the distinction between the moral, and the matter of law.
Bishop, I am a faithful Catholic in a tumultuous time, and I have a question in earnest: Will you please address recent controversial statements, made by the holy father, of a religiously relativistic ambiguous nature? God bless and thank you.
Apparently God forgot to write all this "res omnia" thing in the ten commandments and just wrote "don't steal" with no addenda. Now, if one comes in your home and he is cold and hungry of course the right thing to do as a christian is to help him in charity. But what if you don't do it for whatever reason, does that person have the right to take what he need by force? Because if you are "robbing him" he is just taking what he own, so he can take it with a gun in his hands. That is what many people, also Catholic, seems to not understand is that there is a difference between what we would like the world to be and what pertain the exercise of justice administered usually by the state, the second one entail violence or the menace of doing it. There is always "ore else" hidden in any statement of justice.
@@kelechukwuanosike767 Shouldn't we be glad that somebody out there is helping us understand the pope's thoughts and words better? I honestly appreciate the good bishop's efforts to explicate things for us. One more thing, isn't wonderful when the pope and the bishops are on the same page in their social views? Lastly, his vow of obedience is beside the point. The good bishop is no papal lapdog. I trust his spiritual leadership and moral judgment.
Capitalism socialism, wow the amazing words that now we can use to accuse each other. Behind those words, I perceive fear. I truly appreciate Bishop Barrón taking on the task to explain , what Pope Francis ‘s words truly mean and the origin. However, I am concerned that what truly creates concern in so many good loving Christians, is how the use, abuse and misuse of those words to label people, even though for the most , they truly don’t reflect the reality of whose those people are. Perhaps there are some who truly believe and act as such to actually be proper way to describe them. I am wondering if fear and distrust is behind our labeling ; words, actions, individuals and or groups . Fear can cause havoc to our spiritual journey and our relationships with ea other, but more importantly with Our Lord. We are daily bombarded with all sorts of voices , messages and ideas. I pray we all take ea idea and pray to our Lord for discernment. satan is a master of fear lies manipulation and division. The roaring lion roaming to grasp us. Sometimes dressed as a lamb, the master of disguise. At the end of the day, doing God’s Will which, we can only figure out in prayer. I have discovered that if I experience fear, anger, anxiety, resentment etc, towards others , the roaring lion is behind it all. Listening to Pope Francis and Bishop Barrón even thought their words challenge me, in prayer they bring peace , hope and love. May God permeate all of us with His Holy Spirit
Do you recommend any good books or documents on Catholic Social Teaching. Thanks for continuing to feed the sheep with your videos. God's continued blessings.
"...duty to give to the indigent out of what remains over." Perhaps this should be as stressed at least as much as other moral obligations? I always find it ironic how some Christians rush to say that duty to the poor is a "choice" whilst they are quick to legislate things that either benefit them or do not affect them directly.
Admittedly, I’m a fan of a rainy day fund - a big one just in case of who knows what. It’s the way I was raised and I’ve always been grateful for the emotional security it’s provided. In light of that and from a practical standpoint, how do you know how much to give and how much to hold back so you always have the opportunity to help? I find the whole social justice teaching very confusing.
I think you would know it when the time comes dear. Let's make it more concrete. You have a friend who has her father in the hospital needing help. You have your savings or funds. You have a choice. Looking at the circumstances, you do not immediately need these funds, you live well, and you have a good job. And letting go of these funds wouldn't immediately jeopardize your situation. It may cause you discomfort yes. But you know in yourself it wouldn't kill you. And you know it would greatly help and save your friend's father if you do so. Now, here's what can possibly happen. You don't help your friend, and her father dies. Can you live with the consequences? Knowing you could have done something, but did not do it? Or, you can give away the funds to help your friend and it saved your friend's father. They may be grateful. They may not. But you felt good inside. And through faith, you know you did what you thought was right. In those circumstances, you need to make a leap of faith. Hoping the choice your going to make will be for the best. Just think of spiderman. He has a choice to use his powers to make money or help people. What did he do, he did not stop the thief when he had the chance. It ended up killing his uncle Ben. Now, he uses his powers to stop crooks and help people. Because he now believes, with great powers comes great responsibility.
One of your better ones. Well argued. But we need to see it in context. Leo was arguing in the world of Hegel and Marx, and most probably Antonia Labriola, probably a forgotten figure ( not to mention Garibaldi and the loss of the Papal States.) His insight was prescient for us. I hope we can see that now.
Please explain why would Pope Francis recommend to the Spanish PM, a book written by an Italian communist, when so many popes wrote about the evil of communism. You can see the video on Rome Reports, October 26, 2020. Please respond I’m so confused. 🙏💜🙏
One of your better ones. Garibaldi and the loss of the Papal States.). His sense of the developing conflict between Capitalism and Communism is prescient.
Everything we have, we have received from God. And none of us is better than any other person. Therefore, giving is sharing what we have received, with others who equally deserve them. - trust me, as someone who has been on the other side, this line of argument is much more convincing, because "your stuff belongs to them" still sounds an awful lot like socialism, that is, a justification for coercive confiscation. Now, that being said, capitalism and communism are the least of pope Francis´ problems for most Catholics...
The Holy Father is the victim of some of the most uncharitable and hateful speech I’ve ever seen on the internet, it’s truly awful. Also, Bishop Barron, please pray for the Church in Ireland at the moment, which is experiencing enormous difficulties, as you may have seen in the news.
Perhaps the Pope's message at times gets fuzzy. I absolutely loved this lecture, the subtle thinking and clarity. However, for example,, while defending private property, and the right of nations to their own borders, he went to El Paso, Texas at the height of the tens of thousands from central America intent on crossing the boarder, he went to the fence and basically endorsed unlawful entry. This angered many residents, who have since turned their back on him and the church. He was being a good pastor, and that is his greatest strength. Knowing that all analogies limp on three legs, It's one thing for me to help and perhaps even house my neighbor, it's another to have that neighbor come into my housed uninvited, bring all his friends, and squat in it. Not everyone out there will be able to make subtle distinctions.
I have an important question. Is the Catholic Church against democratic socialism AND dictatorial socialism? Or is democratic socialism okay? I'm Catholic and haven't found an answer to that question anywhere
This is very dangerous to say in this days when people feel and express their " rights " to other's private properties, so , I don't think Pope Francis words are appropriate ...
What I don’t understand is why is no one talking about Happytalism? It’s not capitalism or socialism, there are goals untill 2030. and finally untill 2050. NWO isn’t capitalism or socialism, let’s use the right name;). I think Pope is very much aware of it.
@@w.h.g9347 I don’t know enough about Happytalism, but it seems to me they want to find an answer to question of all questions- what makes society flourish? It seems to me they want to take what is good from each religion and bring all religions together. Maybe that’s not a bad thing, the onley problem is how much such aproach could lead to relativism. I still don’t know if that’s good or bad, but I’m not concerned about eatrhley goverments, I rather think DE CIVITATE DEI, and no one can take it away from me. God bless❤️
I'm a little confused by the idea of "private property" versus what is laid out in Rerum Novarum. Certain leftists usually distinguish between "personal property" and "private property" with the latter corresponding to like a factory or a large farm. It sounds like a factory would fall outside of that required for necessity and propriety and so it would then need to be devoted to the needs of the least among us. Note this wouldn't necessarily be through the State or central planning, but could also be a bottoms-up organization like Mondragon. Does Catholic Social Teaching view something like a factory or a large tech company as more for the fulfilment of the basic needs of the owners or for the service of least?
"In many respects democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine; in any case, it contributed toward the formation of a social consciousness" -Pope Benedict XVI
I’m not even a Catholic by tradition, but seeing so many members of a denomination I’ve always valued for their intellectual and philosophical history turn on one of the most Christ-centered popes I can think of, in this almost boogeyman-like fear of some lurking socialism, honestly breaks my heart.
Most popes are Christ centered. You certainly don't know many out of the 266 popes the Catholic church has had. Most Catholics, out of the 1.3billion Catholics, do not hate Pope Francis. However, Pope Francis has a different style of presenting the centuries old Catholic message and teachings. Pope Francis might have done a few wrong things that hurt some people especially Chinese Catholics, he has done many good things and most people love the holy father. American Catholics don't speak for the world Catholics!
Dear Bishop, thank you for sharing your great learning and insights with us. May I add one thing to it. The socialist agrees with Christian teaching that we should share with others from our wealth, to give even to a point where it hurts as I think mother Theresa has said. The big difference between Christian teaching and the socialists, I think, is: according to the church this is a moral obligation, but the socialist makes it a legal obligation. They make you pay and suffer for the poor, making everybody poor in the process (except for the farm’s pigs of course). My guess is that some Catholics fear to what extent Pope Francis is in favor of coercion by the state- or even a new world order/government - to ‘stimulate’ property sharing.
Apparently it isn't only "socialists" who advocate state mandated 'legal' taxes, but also 'free market enterprise / capitalsts' who believe in THE SAME. The Sixteenth Amendment of the U. S. Constitution LEGALLY gives the U. S. Congress the legal power to do the same: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." Presumably you would consider THAT "socialist" as well. HOWEVER, it is NOT. We are a FEDERAL republic. States give up privileges they inherently possess in order to establish something GREATER than they would be individually...a UNITED States of America. You can keep repeating the meme that that is "socialist". There will always be an ignorant proportion of the populace who believe the demagogues who dauntlessly plink their one note song over and over, and louder and louder. Who, hearing it, eventually relent that the lie that is being shouted "must be true" or the demagogues wouldn't keep saying it. That is what fomenters of mob rule do. There is a reason why, however, statisticians call the things which lie outside one or two deviations from a statistical norm OUTLIERS. They are un-USUAL. They are ab-NORMAL.
Universal destination of goods is a beautiful teaching. It explains why it’s not the sin of theft, for example, if you’re freezing to death in a blizzard out in the wilderness to take shelter in an unoccupied cabin that you don’t own.
As human beings created in the image of God, we owe each other the same thing. Human rights, therefore, are responsibilities toward each other. So, give to those who ask and willingly share what you have. That said, the secular world views human rights as entitlements and although the language can sound very similar, the results of secularism are forms of subjectivism and political corruption rather than love.
Beautifully done, as always. Thank you Bishop Barron. You are so faithfully living your mission! We are grateful!
In the always civil TH-cam comments I was defending the bishop in his support of pope francis against one of the most hateful speech I've ever heard a christian use in first hand. Kinda breaks my heart to hear someone so afraid and ignorant. Keep up the good work father you make me proud to not just be catholic but a thinking christian.
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@@mariadeven4112 oh no I just reread it and I start it sarcastic so I see why you would think I continue as such. No I am not I really connect with what Bishop Barron says. He has not only built up my faith but he has also had my very liberal mind think about so many subjects in new light that I had never considered before.
Thank you well said 'a thinking christian' The Bishop certainly is a refreshing thinking Bishop😀
It boils down to this "love one another as I have loved you". Jesus gave his life so that we may be saved. Can we not give of ourselves to help our fellow man?
Yes, but not by funneling that help through governments. There is NO scriptural context for that. None.
Give to God! Governments are as corrupt as any godless person. When God wants you to give, you just know it; it feels right to you. Whan governments take your hard earned things and give them to fund abortion, Euthanasia, martial law enforcement... Your freedom... How is that giving to God?
Yes, bro. But have to be done by charity and Grace. Not with the State forcing us to do it. The “Catholic” social justice warriors make allies with the Devil when they vote for libtards just because they hate “injustice”. I told one I am all for equality if we start by equality in effort and responsibility. The sucker didn’t know what to say.
@@annap6059 Amen!
I'm a big fan of Bishop Baron, and would like to comment to this item, but couldn't figure our how. hint please
Out of love, truth. Out of truth, clarity. Out of clarity, understanding. Out of understanding, change of heart. Out of fullness of heart, love. Peace to all.
So many questions and concerns all around Bishop Barron. I have some many concerns and worries. God Bless you. I just pray to God almighty for clarity, understanding and love.
Thanks Bishop Barron. I learned a lot in this video and I will continue to pray for WOF ministries. God bless you.
Indeed!!...Your Grace Bishop Barron: Thank you!!..for coming out openly and throwing light on all the misinformations propagated either by those who do not have a full and proper understanding of what Holy Father Pope Francis IS, in His Superior intelligent Wisdom, professing, or by those with malicious intent.
No, not attempting to portray an image of total support for the Papacy, but, am indeed, throwing weight behind the need to try and understand what The Man who also happens to have been "Chosen" as the person to lead The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Of JESUS CHRIST on earth, is expressing as a studied view.
The Pope has a lot of spokes people. But Bishop Barron is the loudest speaker of them all, and a voice of reason, that's all. It's because he is not an extreme right or left person but a teacher about truth of the Gospel like a Jesuit is supposed to be. Like I myself have been taught by my own brothers and sisters in the Jesuit way and Franciscan way. God bless Bishop Barron and Word on Fire Ministry Team.
Amen Bishop!!!! & I read your letter to a suffering church, God bless you & praying for you & your brother priests, especially for the 3 theological virtues & 4 cardinal virtues!!!🤗🤗💞💞🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Bishop Barron!! This needed to be brought to the attention of all. Words get so taken out of context it causes misinformation to the point of causing more division.
He’s just advocating for good stewardship. And not making money and private property an idol. Cool.
Thank you for clarifying the concepts from Pope Francis!!
Thank God we have Popes and Priests who think like Jesus. And of course they will be vilified just as Jesus was. God bless you Archbishop Barron. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thank you Bishop Barron, this video inspired me to give more, and I'm glad you are making an effort to clarify Pope Francis' view. God bless!
Catholicism has always taught that we ought to give to the needy when we ourselves have enough. That is a solid message and it promotes love. It's a loving act to do these because we are, out of our own free will, willing the good of another. It's fantastic!
However, the love is effectively removed from the act when a government doesn't allow you to give out of your own free will, but rather they take it themselves and spread it out to whomever they feel needs it, or to whomever they please, really.
So we should be encouraged to be generous, but always allowed to have the choice to be so. Not forced. The prerequisite for all love and loving acts is firstly the ability to CHOOSE it.
"This is always the case with Catholic social teaching, it cuts against the left and the right."
And doesn't line up with Scripture.
And before someone says it, the Catholic Church doesn't "own" the Word of the Living God.
Except I can't think of any Catholics on the left who object to what Pope Francis says in Fratelli Tutti.
@@christophersleight19 That's right, because for Catholics, the Word of God is not a book, but a person named Jesus.
@@christophersleight19 You're right in that the Church doesn't "own" the scripture ... however, members of the Church did write it and the Church did assemble it and canonize it.
@@kdmdlo , well, thanks for your comment.
There seems to be a disconnect with History, the origin of Aramaic Hebrew and Greek documents written up to 4000 Thousand years ago and a Pagan off shoot of Christianity started in 320 AD.
Scripture goes from Divinely inspired Text written by at least 40 different people over a 2100 year period to "written by the Catholic Church."
Something is not accurate here.
Pope Francis is quite prophetic. Our society needs this refreshing feeling of love for humanity.
There's a lot of greed and individuality. The sense of the common good greatly lost.
Francis is really out there when he speaks. Bravo..Your Excellency for making this come to light in a new way.
Great explanation, thanks, it reminds me of the 10 commandments course I took: when they delved into the Do not steal commandment, I was blown away by the explanation, nobody ever taught me that, and I'm in my 40s!!
Words that need to be heard, thanks
Thank you for these clear words! I can hardly understand, how people only dare to put our Pope into a far left corner.
I am from Germany, and we could feel both, free, but social market policy and communism/socialism behind the iron curtain. Both advantages and disadvantages could be seen and watched like in a laboratory .
The west german capitalizm has always been influenced by the catholic social teaching. According to the still existing Salier Treaty from the early Holy Roman Empire, all public councils had to be with 4 wordly deputies and 3 clerics.
This principle was never given up. Thus the church's influence still can be found in public authorities. We are well advised to never give up these principles to neo liberalism/capitalism, called shark philosophy, surviving of the fittest. This leads to fascism at the end.
I love Pope Francis for his wide heart and concern for creatures of all kind, like St. Francis did.
Catholics, especially in America, do not behave like many authortarian societies, like former USSR or China to prove to the world, who represents the real communism !!!. Our christianity should come out of our hearts and not from any doctrine, which may be misinterpreted so many times.
Great Bishop Barron. Good as always.
Thank you for the clarification. Wish Pope Francis would be more clear like you. My husband and I look forward to giving money to charitable organizations like Catholic Outreach, Sudan Relief Fund, Rescue mission, our kids😁etc. . I believe that is giving from our possessions. It’s a good feeling to be charitable and it makes us truly happy . Thanks Bishop Barron. Sometimes we get swallowed up by the negativity out there.
He's purposely unclear that's what he does that's what allows him to preach heresy
Saint Thomas Aquinas had answered always to future questions of human beings way past in his time.
James 3:17 defines wisdom as pure, peace loving, willing to reason, full of mercy with the fruit of good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere. Quite honestly, I believe that about you, Bishop. I'm not fully convinced Pope Francis has treated the Church with as much wisdom. I will listen to this more than once. Thank you for the resources you present as evidence.
One of the things I appreciate about this video - and the Catholic Church in general - is it really does force you to acknowlege your own biases. In an age where most media entities seem geared to appeasing and pleasing their viewers - telling them what they want to hear - it's refreshing to have your views and biases challenged and being encouraged for a little bit of self-inspection. Better to examine how your views are in conflict with the Church, than to use the Church to seek justification of them.
Bless you, Bishop Barron! Continuity can only be found in unity. God is central. :)
Thank you so much for this. I don't hear it much over here in Ireland but I hear it so much from American Catholics and I find it very weird.
We Americans like to scrutinize everything so we have something to argue about😂. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Maybe the danger that lies in that line of thought is that, although it stresses charity as maybe the basis of the christian ethos, it also reduces that charity to a certain materialism when it talks about the nation state, sure, it is fundamental to help the poor countries, but, if you do that without the catholic will in the state, it can become a destructive force. More or less, charity without the unification of the objective catholic principles, can become destructive and lead to something like socialism. I love the work of this channel, that's just what came to mind while watching.
I think that some people take things out of context and not understanding what is meant. I'm grateful that I don't use social media anymore because there's always someone that wants to give you a hard time
I see and feel our church so divided. God please help us.
Yes but let it not worry you ! The Church has endured Pope hate since St Peter ! Division has weakened it ,leading the world to what it is today ! No matter what and man's refusal to obey Him and His commandments, God still drives here 😊😊😊. There are conversions all the time ! We are still here and to stay 😊😊😊 till His return ! The most important is to fallow Him and stay in His will ! God bless you and family 💗 💟 💟
@Jushz Chlebek The Pope hate out there is appalling ! God bless !
@Jushz Chlebek Pope Francis was appointed by God ,he's the Pope respectful behavior should always be used by Catholics towards the Holy Father ! Slander ,gossip, demeaning words,name calling , are not the way that Our Lord wants us to be ,to be cleansed in Christ, the new man ,isn't about worldly hateful behavior read Colossians Chapter 3 for ex . Remember that EVERY SINGLE WORD WE SAY WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR ON JUDGEMENT DAY ! Slander is a mortal sin ,so is gossip, false accusations( fake news slander) if many don't understand, it's to at least be kind, loving ,and mercyful in wording their confusion ! Not everyone hates the Pope but many do, if no one hates the Pope, please show some love 💖💗 sin is destruction of the self and others ,slander hurts and destroys ones credibility . Name calling is derision, to make fun of another isn't Christian behavior it's destructive to the other ,hurtful ! God bless
Being Pope means to have alot of ennemies, ennemies of the Church will write, promote anything to divide it and cause strife within it .Personally I was raised Catholic, the Pope is sacred ground! To go against the Pope is to go against the Church, which to a true Roman Catholic, is unacceptable. The Pope's have ensured the survival of Holy Church since St Peter. We are no longer under Roman Catholic monarchy, since the French Revolution, we now deal with Governments . In the 60s the Church was voted OUT by the hippy sexual revolution ect . What was left of Catholic rule became government authority . Vatican 2 has nothing to do with people's votes in the 60s and wanting out of All of Christianity ! Had everyone stayed with Holy Church and Pope since the beginning, when it was God's plan to establish His Kingdom on earth, instead of dividing , living in His will ,things sure wouldn't be this way .. .Over 400 million Christians are being persecuted right now . The Pope does what he can, not what he wants to do ! ✌
@@godisinchargesueowl8599 Explain his secret deal with the Chinese communist party ?, explain why he meets with the NBA , no social distancing or masks, but he can't meet with Cardinal Zen ?. He is disliked and not trusted for very good reasons !.
In the context of last years turbulence and the great reset the Popes teaching come in another light. And even if the aid to poor countries is well intended the results have been dismal.
I am so grateful for Bishop Barron's clarification regarding Pope Francis message. I love Pope Francis and often surprised by Catholic accusations of socialism. We need biblical scholars and priests to teach us both the intent of the teachings as well as how to live. We must love more, give more of ourselves. Simple message; very hard to live indeed.
We need a pope that speaks clearly and directly without ambiguity, a holy man of courage for these times.
I pray for our Pope Francis and dear priests “That their hearts and souls may remain immune to the attacks of these times, so that the Holy Spirit may work through them with a renewing strength that may bring and grant forgiveness and reconciliation to all those are fallen and have lost their faith” .( Jesus message Tuesday 21, 2020)
yes prayers, but no valid apparitions going on.
First of all thank you for this video and in general for all your work in evangelization. I have truly benefitted from the WoF initiative as I have learned more about the catholic faith and it has increased my interest to read more and learn more. As a trained economist, I have always been particularly interested in the encyclicals that teach us more about catholic social teaching and thus, I was very excited to read Fratelli Tutti. The amount of wisdom from this encyclical and the interpretation and implications of the parable of the good samaritan is beautiful.
It is unfortunate how some outlets have genralized and sensationalized snippets of the encyclical and I find it very useful how you debunk these interpretations. I have also read an analysis by Prof. Philip Booth on the Tablet of Fratelli Tutti which reflects my open questions on Fratelli Tutti. For academics working on discussions of political economy, economists discussing the merits of a free market or an ordo liberal approach the dialogue offered by the encyclica does not offer guidance related to latent topics in the discussion. Especially the portrayal of the neoliberal approach would seem like a caricature of the merits in the arguments and I and many others would have like to see a more focused dialogue with the leading free market approaches (Neo-Keynesian, etc...).
Related to the video, the discussion of aid between the states would need a bit more clarification. I think we will agree that aid for the poor is necessary, the question is not if but how. Does debt forgiveness work? Should we increase trade? and so on...
Another question I have also seen, from St. Thomas Aquinas and Bishop Barron is the discussion of usury. Usury as such is a way of taking advantage of those who are needy. A fair interest charged on the time value of money is in many ways the opposite of usury. To oppose interest for loans and portray it as usury is in my view the same as equating eating a regular meal with gluttony. I think St. Thomas Aquinas point within his context and with the existing financial institutions at the time were probably valid, but I don't know how it applies within our context.
Once again, thank you very much for the thought provoking video and I'll keep you in my prayers :)
I absolutely love(d) fratelli tutti. I love(d) every word. It was/is beautiful and felt like finding a treasure that I couldn't wait to share with everyone I knew.
Pope Francis is a Saint a beautiful Saint.
Thank you father for the beauty of your creation in our Holy Father we need him thank you for sending him.
We can see the genius of Catholic social teaching, in its applying of both the universal destination of goods and the right to private property to whole nations and communities, not just personal consumer goods or money.
Donating your own money by choice is not the same as voting to tax someone else's money with no choice of their own.
I totally agreed about sharing with other, however what I dont agree is making the government to dictate what and when to share.. it is up to each individual to do the will of GOD!!..
I agree. There are several persons I help as I can. I do not want someone telling me to give to this person but not to the person whom I know needs it.
The Bishop explains the principle well here. What is not addressed is real world practicality. At scale lending the helping hand, can infact create dependence, the very opposite of the original end goal. This problem arises in the modern globalised world, where the amount of incoming poor to let's say America or Europe is simply overwhelming. There is seemingly no end to those who need assistance. America and the EU cannot support the entire 3rd world. Every economy has a certain carrying capacity of people, same with a parcel of farmland. The population and their needs cannot be supplied by just one part of the globe. The underlying assumption of the principle is that there is indeed a genuine necessity, not simply people seeking economic advantage outside their home country. This underlying principle, implies the right, of the giving country to determine entry on a case by case basis according to the legitimatcy of the claim by the needy and, the amount of extra available to give to them.
The Pope's letter goes to far, it says that not just basic necessities are to be provided, but every advantage of living in the receiving country. This includes higher education, housing, work, and wages, etc, this goes well beyond emergency necessity assistance. His letter envisions no effective de facto borders between nations.
The other issue not addresed is many cases those asking for help, do not share any common values with the giver. This disrupts community cohesion in the giving country, and can create more problems than the original well intentioned handout solves. Those receiving according to Aquinas, are obligated to respect the laws of the giving nation. Many times this simply does not occur. In the worst examples, it is because the needy have values that are completely antithetical to the giving nation and its peoples. For example, EU nations have no moral obligation to allow someone in to their country, or allow them to register on the dole rolls who has 5 wives and a child bride, such is prohibited in their country. When you are a guest in someone else's home, you are obligated to obey their rules, same when immigrating and accepting assistance.
If you want to know Pope Francis, read his new book, Let Us Dream. This is a book where he tells us what he believes and who he is and what he is thinking about current events like coronavirus, politics, and protests etc.
And? Just curious
Great to hear your bold support to our beloved Pope. Those who really know Christ and pursue the love of God, ultimately understand the plight of suffering Christ as any poor, immigrant, homeless and jobless human. Once somebody know God they could easily understand, what is the universal destination of goods.
Thank you, Bishop Barron, for your anointed words. "Where Peter is, there is the Church." -St. Ambrose
It must be to tough deal with people who have decided not to listen before you start talking, or to be lectured on politics and Communism by people who wouldn't know Marshal Tito from Tito Puente. May all come to enjoy the blessings and peace that Jesus gives through humble faith in His Holy Spirit providentially at work through the Church.
Here are some quotes from Rerum Novarum:
"The first and most fundamental principle, therefore, if one would undertake to alleviate the condition of the masses, must be the inviolability of private property."
"We have seen that this great labor question cannot be solved save by assuming as a principle that private ownership must be held sacred and inviolable."
Now here is a quote from Fratelli Tutti:
"For my part, I would observe that 'the Christian tradition has never recognized the right to private property as absolute or inviolable, and has stressed the social purpose of all forms of private property'.[95]
For those wondering what is being cited, Pope Francis is citing himself from Laudato Si.
While I would agree that Catholic social teaching is flexible on the social/legal arrangements of private property (According to Laborem Excercens by St. JPII, "Christian tradition has never upheld this right [to property] as absolute and untouchable), I think Pope Francis took it too far when he contradicted Pope Leo XIII on the inviolability of private ownership. Yes, the right to ownership is far more nuanced than many might consider it to be, but it ought not to be violated as Fratelli Tutti suggests.
No, that's misleading. Both Leo and Francis are insisting that the sure right to private property is situated within the wider context of the universal destination of goods. As I said in the video, the same Leo who is adamantly in favor of private property also insists on the moral demand to provide for the poor out of our surplus. To focus in on particular verbal formulations isn't helpful.
@@BishopBarron Firstly, thank you for responding! I have been following you for many years, even before you were made a Bishop. It is an honor.
Secondly, I totally agree with you and Popes Francis and Leo in regard to the universal destination of all goods. You did a very good job in the video of showing the consistent teaching of the Church on this, dating back long before even Rerum Novarum.
My only divergement with you and the Holy Father is that I do believe the particular verbal formulations are important. It is very confusing to read the first social encyclical saying that property is inviolable, only to see in the most recent social encyclical that it actually can be violated.
Again, I would agree that private property is not absolute, in the sense that we do have obligations with our wealth and the lawful authorities may set certain parameters around the use of property.
I think we are all largely in agreement in these things, but precise language is important in order to avoid confusion. Had that sentence from Fratelli Tutti/Amoris Laetitia been only slightly modified, it may have made the making of this video unnecessary.
@@williamcrawford7621 We agree therefore that the teo Popes have the same viewpoint. My problem is that certain people on the right have used the language issue to invent a quarrel and make Francis seem like a radical, when he is clearly standing with the mainstream of the tradition.
@@BishopBarron I do give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt as he is the Holy Father, but in making his language seemingly contradict a landmark encyclical like Rerum Novarum, he opens himself to the doubts that you now have to address.
And so as not to take sides in these divisive times for the nation, there are also certain people on the left in the Church who, similar to how Concillium has done with Vatican II, claim that Pope Francis is a sharp break with tradition and is a radical for their own cause. Left and right alike are given an opportunity to label him a radical when the language is so imprecise, and this in turn will lead to greater confusion within the Church.
Anyways, God bless both you and your evangelical work!
This is where a conundrum comes in:
1) Private property is good. Sharing more than you need is better.
2) States have a right to govern for themselves. Status should also take care of countries that are less fortunate.
Insofar as sharing any excesses are due to free will, this works out well. Ultimately, the state can only GIVE what it first TAKES from others. How do you reconcile that with the right to own private property?
It is necessary to distinguish between legality and morality. We are indeed morally obligated to return the gifts God has given us to Him by devoting them to our fellow human beings. But that must be a moral and not a legal obligation. A legal obligation to distribute possessions is in effect an abrogation of private property. Legally and politically, private property depends upon the assumption that one is free to determine that property's use. The property truly belongs to whoever directs its use.
Forced redistribution is a violation of free will. Charity (as an aspect of love) is always an act of will, so forced redistribution is not charity. Love cannot be forced.
Every government necessarily depends upon taxation. We may democratically negotiate commitments to particular services as a community. But distribution by unseen proxy is an impersonal way of giving which does not engage the soul. To the extent that distributive acts are transferred from voluntary and personal associations to mandatory and systemic programs (government), our property is not given so much as taken; not possessed (controlled) so much as handled.
A gift can only be voluntary. The Church claims to believe in the principle of subsidiarity - action at the most local (informed, personal, voluntary) level possible. We should resist the transfer of distributive moral obligations to statistics-focused national programs and return to the example of Mother Theresa who offered charity face-to-face with a smile. Nobody sees the face of Jesus in a spreadsheet.
The very best response here!
Right on, bro. You said it just like I should have. These social justice fanatics are making friends with the Devil by supporting a doctrine that can only be carried out by the power of the State. How about Grace First. Probably then, the better off will be more charitable and the desolate will be more gracious and productive. 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻. Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.
I would also add that in this wealth redistribution schemes, coviting your neighbors goods is also used as a justification for this theft.
Amen ! PRAISE BE JESUS CHRIST !! God bless you Bishop Barron !
I don’t feel smart enough to comment on this so I’ll just say, thanks Bishop! You’re awesome!
It's funny actually. I was listening to Church militant and LifeSiteNews on how Fratelli Tutti was somewhat socialist a few months ago, but having read the first 2 chapters of the letter (reading the rest rn), the Pope's messaging, while sus in isolation, makes sense within the greater context of the book, as Bishop Barron states.
Man dodging and weaving in between this digital society is pretty nuts.
Pope Francis words are yes challenging, but worth to meditate upon. Personally, to me just reaffirms and reminds ; that all that I have comes from God, it’s His Blessings that have made way for all that I have. Did I wrk for them ?yes, but who gave the talents, the opportunities to that job, even the health. God did. And why me and no others? Bc He is commissioning me be the the steward of all he has given me.. when I share with others is not me giving to others, it’s God doing it and me His Venue. He is the actual owner of everything. When countries or people’s feel is my land, one must remember who created it. Yes as stewards, we can use and benefit, but never forget that our ownership is actually a stewardship. Yes we. Just set healthy boundaries and rules, as long as , those are set in prayer and accordance to His Will, His Word. When we are called to Him ( death), what will we replied to Mathew 25. When I was hungry, naked....
I love Bishop Barron and I thank him for every video posted. What he is saying here is precious, but I cannot pretend to ignore what the mainstream media made of the "Fratelli Tutti". And the same happens each and every time with this Pope's word. Isn't that His word is somewhat keen to be distorted, may be abused, maybe changed, maybe stretched a little or a lot? Often a catholic priest hurries up to explain us that the Pope's message has been misunderstood, but never the same clarification comes from the Pope's press office or from Himself. These very same media which are supposed to "distort" the Pope's messages are the same which adore him and put him with enthusiasm in their front pages. It seems to us, and I'm an italian writing from Italy, that there is a circularity between our Pope and the "distorting" mainstream media, it seems to us that they are looking for each other. Remember John Paul? Remember Benedictus? What they made of those Popes every and each time they spoke? And I am old enough to remember the terrible attacks that Paul VI had to suffer from the Italian media at the time. Francisco's predecessors used us to a word where yes was yes, no was no. The alarm on the "Fratelli tutti" has been risen because in our era a group of powerful and influential people seem to question the private property. The Pope's message as timing and content could not please them more.
I'm troubled by his support and reception of e.g. Jeffrey Sachs at conferences in the Vatican.
I would like you Bishop Barron for whose views I usually have great respect to address the comments of John R.T.B. on this page....on issues which may be causing great anxiety among the faithful..?
What is the problem with Jeffrey Sachs?
@@claborn79 He’s a socialist that believes the world is overpopulated and we need to have abortion to keep numbers down. Pope Francis has invited him to speak at the Vatican more than any non-cleric
@@daniellennox8804 I don't know anything about him. I study ecological justice issues. Concerns about overpopulation is a feature of "ecofascism" - focusing on overpopulation instead of the real problem (overconsumption - each American consumes about 50x the amount of sub-Saharan Africans) can quickly lead into eugenics and the idea that some lives are worth more than others.
We need to do the hard work of developing sustainable consumption habits; there is plenty of food, etc. for people.
"the use of private property for the sake of the common good".......sorry Bishop, but this type of verbiage is straight out of the Saul Alinsky handbook. It's nothing but a cleverly worded, Marxist "double-speak". Because the obvious question is always the same....WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS THE COMMON GOOD?? If it's the property owner who decides....fine. But if it is the bureaucratic elite who decide.....good luck and buckle up, because Communism is right around the corner.
I agree that Catholic social teaching (and Catholic teaching more generally) is not squarely in line with either political party, and agree with how you’ve explained and given helpful context for the Pope’s writings. I’ll echo what other commenters are saying here, though, in stressing that the moral obligation to share our abundance with the less fortunate tends to be spun by the left as a justification for the state’s compelling that “sharing” (at which point it does become a form of socialism). So, no, Pope Francis is not socialist, but by not more clearly articulating the distinction between voluntary sharing and state compelled redistribution, he (perhaps inadvertently) supports those in our society who would pursue the later approach.
The more you are given the more is expected of you , whether it be wealth or talent. Luke 12.41 -48 In other words it is all a test.
I agree absolutely but as a pensioner I have to evaluate questions of integrity and intent on a person who turns up at my doorstep. i.e. keep myself safe - this is an ideal coming from the vatican which is surrounded by guards.
So what if Francis is anti capitalist? I don't recall Christ ever saying thou shalt support free markets
I must admit, I was a bit apprehensive about the document after hearing all the buzz around it, but when I actually read the document, I found there was almost nothing that gave me any pause (besides perhaps painting immigration issues with too broad a brush), and in fact, there are some really profound observations about the human condition in the 21st century in it. The challenge with the Holy Father is that, as the good bishop says, he speaks in a sort of prophetic mode, which opens itself up to misinterpretation. And, in defense of the critics, his Holiness doesn’t exactly go out of his way to correct those who champion the document as a triumph of socialism and the “new world order”. In this time where we are verging on schism, especially in the American church, the Bishops really needs to reach out in love to reactionary voices; sadly, we often see a sort of annoyed dismissal of them. Videos like this are very helpful in bridging the gap.
I had the same experience with the encyclical actually. I suppose the best we can do is really try to bridge the gap between in the political sects of Catholicism first, then Christendom as a whole.
In fairness Christians, or at least their priests, should have ears to hear such language.
The only problem I have with all this, is that people who (rightly) remind us of the Universal Destiny of all goods tend to not make the distinction between the moral, and the matter of law.
Bishop, I am a faithful Catholic in a tumultuous time, and I have a question in earnest:
Will you please address recent controversial statements, made by the holy father, of a religiously relativistic ambiguous nature?
God bless and thank you.
Ohhh can you dumb that down for me please?
Way over my head(smiling and laughing).
Everyone here should read “A Church in Crisis” by Ralph Martin
Apparently God forgot to write all this "res omnia" thing in the ten commandments and just wrote "don't steal" with no addenda. Now, if one comes in your home and he is cold and hungry of course the right thing to do as a christian is to help him in charity. But what if you don't do it for whatever reason, does that person have the right to take what he need by force? Because if you are "robbing him" he is just taking what he own, so he can take it with a gun in his hands. That is what many people, also Catholic, seems to not understand is that there is a difference between what we would like the world to be and what pertain the exercise of justice administered usually by the state, the second one entail violence or the menace of doing it. There is always "ore else" hidden in any statement of justice.
The Pope is simply advocating social democracy, the best political and economic system found thus far.
thank you for these truths explained
It's nice to realize the pope has found a defender in Bishop Barron. The pope needs this kind of Bishop as his spokesperson.
Barron explains Pope Francis which many people don't understand, including you. Also, Barron took a vow of obedience and has to keep
Why the snark? Show me precisely where I'm wrong.
@@kelechukwuanosike767 Shouldn't we be glad that somebody out there is helping us understand the pope's thoughts and words better? I honestly appreciate the good bishop's efforts to explicate things for us. One more thing, isn't wonderful when the pope and the bishops are on the same page in their social views? Lastly, his vow of obedience is beside the point. The good bishop is no papal lapdog. I trust his spiritual leadership and moral judgment.
@@BishopBarron can you explain pachamama and this year's nativity scene?
Capitalism socialism, wow the amazing words that now we can use to accuse each other. Behind those words, I perceive fear. I truly appreciate Bishop Barrón taking on the task to explain , what Pope Francis ‘s words truly mean and the origin. However, I am concerned that what truly creates concern in so many good loving Christians, is how the use, abuse and misuse of those words to label people, even though for the most , they truly don’t reflect the reality of whose those people are. Perhaps there are some who truly believe and act as such to actually be proper way to describe them. I am wondering if fear and distrust is behind our labeling ; words, actions, individuals and or groups . Fear can cause havoc to our spiritual journey and our relationships with ea other, but more importantly with Our Lord. We are daily bombarded with all sorts of voices , messages and ideas. I pray we all take ea idea and pray to our Lord for discernment. satan is a master of fear lies manipulation and division. The roaring lion roaming to grasp us. Sometimes dressed as a lamb, the master of disguise. At the end of the day, doing God’s Will which, we can only figure out in prayer. I have discovered that if I experience fear, anger, anxiety, resentment etc, towards others , the roaring lion is behind it all. Listening to Pope Francis and Bishop Barrón even thought their words challenge me, in prayer they bring peace , hope and love. May God permeate all of us with His Holy Spirit
I've always wondered about the parameters of necessity in the Catholic Church. Is there a working definition of need anywhere in Catholic Theology?
8:55 sums it up perfectly
Do you recommend any good books or documents on Catholic Social Teaching. Thanks for continuing to feed the sheep with your videos. God's continued blessings.
Defending the Free Market: The Moral Case for a Free Economy , by Fr. Robert Sirico
@@RickW-HGWT Thanks!
"...duty to give to the indigent out of what remains over." Perhaps this should be as stressed at least as much as other moral obligations? I always find it ironic how some Christians rush to say that duty to the poor is a "choice" whilst they are quick to legislate things that either benefit them or do not affect them directly.
Admittedly, I’m a fan of a rainy day fund - a big one just in case of who knows what. It’s the way I was raised and I’ve always been grateful for the emotional security it’s provided. In light of that and from a practical standpoint, how do you know how much to give and how much to hold back so you always have the opportunity to help? I find the whole social justice teaching very confusing.
I think you would know it when the time comes dear. Let's make it more concrete. You have a friend who has her father in the hospital needing help. You have your savings or funds. You have a choice. Looking at the circumstances, you do not immediately need these funds, you live well, and you have a good job. And letting go of these funds wouldn't immediately jeopardize your situation. It may cause you discomfort yes. But you know in yourself it wouldn't kill you. And you know it would greatly help and save your friend's father if you do so. Now, here's what can possibly happen. You don't help your friend, and her father dies. Can you live with the consequences? Knowing you could have done something, but did not do it? Or, you can give away the funds to help your friend and it saved your friend's father. They may be grateful. They may not. But you felt good inside. And through faith, you know you did what you thought was right. In those circumstances, you need to make a leap of faith. Hoping the choice your going to make will be for the best.
Just think of spiderman. He has a choice to use his powers to make money or help people. What did he do, he did not stop the thief when he had the chance. It ended up killing his uncle Ben. Now, he uses his powers to stop crooks and help people. Because he now believes, with great powers comes great responsibility.
Time is at hand.
Defiende usted bien con su conocido santo Tomás. Me alegro de que usted sepa explicar la carta del Papa.
One of your better ones. Well argued. But we need to see it in context. Leo was arguing in the world of Hegel and Marx, and most probably Antonia Labriola, probably a forgotten figure ( not to mention Garibaldi and the loss of the Papal States.) His insight was prescient for us.
I hope we can see that now.
*God bless our Pope - the great, the good☆*
Mmm…….
Thank you Bishop Barron but I decided not to understand church administration any more. I surrendered all to Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
Please explain why would Pope Francis recommend to the Spanish PM, a book written by an Italian communist, when so many popes wrote about the evil of communism. You can see the video on Rome Reports, October 26, 2020. Please respond I’m so confused. 🙏💜🙏
Good news.
One of your better ones. Garibaldi and the loss of the Papal States.). His sense of the developing conflict between Capitalism and Communism is prescient.
Good talk. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this analysis, Bishop!
Interesting and clarifying, Bishop. Thank you!
Everything we have, we have received from God. And none of us is better than any other person. Therefore, giving is sharing what we have received, with others who equally deserve them. - trust me, as someone who has been on the other side, this line of argument is much more convincing, because "your stuff belongs to them" still sounds an awful lot like socialism, that is, a justification for coercive confiscation.
Now, that being said, capitalism and communism are the least of pope Francis´ problems for most Catholics...
The Holy Father is the victim of some of the most uncharitable and hateful speech I’ve ever seen on the internet, it’s truly awful.
Also, Bishop Barron, please pray for the Church in Ireland at the moment, which is experiencing enormous difficulties, as you may have seen in the news.
There are very good reasons for legitimate criticism of this pontif, if the job is too tough he can retire.
Perhaps the Pope's message at times gets fuzzy. I absolutely loved this lecture, the subtle thinking and clarity. However, for example,, while defending private property, and the right of nations to their own borders, he went to El Paso, Texas at the height of the tens of thousands from central America intent on crossing the boarder, he went to the fence and basically endorsed unlawful entry. This angered many residents, who have since turned their back on him and the church. He was being a good pastor, and that is his greatest strength. Knowing that all analogies limp on three legs, It's one thing for me to help and perhaps even house my neighbor, it's another to have that neighbor come into my housed uninvited, bring all his friends, and squat in it. Not everyone out there will be able to make subtle distinctions.
I have an important question. Is the Catholic Church against democratic socialism AND dictatorial socialism? Or is democratic socialism okay? I'm Catholic and haven't found an answer to that question anywhere
I believe in Jesus God Mary and all the Angels and Saints, I left the Catholic Church, I am not taking seriously . I been hurt by some Catholic.
This is very dangerous to say in this days when people feel and express their " rights " to other's private properties, so , I don't think Pope Francis words are appropriate ...
What I don’t understand is why is no one talking about Happytalism? It’s not capitalism or socialism, there are goals untill 2030. and finally untill 2050.
NWO isn’t capitalism or socialism, let’s use the right name;).
I think Pope is very much aware of it.
I agree and the NWO is simply designed to ENSLAVE us and pope Francis is totally in agreement with the criminals behind it.
@@w.h.g9347 I don’t know enough about Happytalism, but it seems to me they want to find an answer to question of all questions- what makes society flourish?
It seems to me they want to take what is good from each religion and bring all religions together. Maybe that’s not a bad thing, the onley problem is how much such aproach could lead to relativism.
I still don’t know if that’s good or bad, but I’m not concerned about eatrhley goverments, I rather think DE CIVITATE DEI, and no one can take it away from me.
God bless❤️
I'm a little confused by the idea of "private property" versus what is laid out in Rerum Novarum. Certain leftists usually distinguish between "personal property" and "private property" with the latter corresponding to like a factory or a large farm.
It sounds like a factory would fall outside of that required for necessity and propriety and so it would then need to be devoted to the needs of the least among us. Note this wouldn't necessarily be through the State or central planning, but could also be a bottoms-up organization like Mondragon.
Does Catholic Social Teaching view something like a factory or a large tech company as more for the fulfilment of the basic needs of the owners or for the service of least?
Thank you so much for the video.
Pope Francis is so kind and loving.
Have to take a break from politics!
"In many respects democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine; in any case, it contributed toward the formation of a social consciousness" -Pope Benedict XVI
I’m not even a Catholic by tradition, but seeing so many members of a denomination I’ve always valued for their intellectual and philosophical history turn on one of the most Christ-centered popes I can think of, in this almost boogeyman-like fear of some lurking socialism, honestly breaks my heart.
Most popes are Christ centered. You certainly don't know many out of the 266 popes the Catholic church has had. Most Catholics, out of the 1.3billion Catholics, do not hate Pope Francis. However, Pope Francis has a different style of presenting the centuries old Catholic message and teachings. Pope Francis might have done a few wrong things that hurt some people especially Chinese Catholics, he has done many good things and most people love the holy father. American Catholics don't speak for the world Catholics!
Dear Bishop, thank you for sharing your great learning and insights with us. May I add one thing to it. The socialist agrees with Christian teaching that we should share with others from our wealth, to give even to a point where it hurts as I think mother Theresa has said. The big difference between Christian teaching and the socialists, I think, is: according to the church this is a moral obligation, but the socialist makes it a legal obligation. They make you pay and suffer for the poor, making everybody poor in the process (except for the farm’s pigs of course). My guess is that some Catholics fear to what extent Pope Francis is in favor of coercion by the state- or even a new world order/government - to ‘stimulate’ property sharing.
Apparently it isn't only "socialists" who advocate state mandated 'legal' taxes, but also 'free market enterprise / capitalsts' who believe in THE SAME. The Sixteenth Amendment of the U. S. Constitution LEGALLY gives the U. S. Congress the legal power to do the same:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Presumably you would consider THAT "socialist" as well. HOWEVER, it is NOT. We are a FEDERAL republic. States give up privileges they inherently possess in order to establish something GREATER than they would be individually...a UNITED States of America.
You can keep repeating the meme that that is "socialist". There will always be an ignorant proportion of the populace who believe the demagogues who dauntlessly plink their one note song over and over, and louder and louder. Who, hearing it, eventually relent that the lie that is being shouted "must be true" or the demagogues wouldn't keep saying it. That is what fomenters of mob rule do.
There is a reason why, however, statisticians call the things which lie outside one or two deviations from a statistical norm OUTLIERS. They are un-USUAL. They are ab-NORMAL.
We are earthlings here for soul growth
Universal living wages...
End poverty consciousness
Universal destination of goods is a beautiful teaching. It explains why it’s not the sin of theft, for example, if you’re freezing to death in a blizzard out in the wilderness to take shelter in an unoccupied cabin that you don’t own.
As human beings created in the image of God, we owe each other the same thing. Human rights, therefore, are responsibilities toward each other. So, give to those who ask and willingly share what you have.
That said, the secular world views human rights as entitlements and although the language can sound very similar, the results of secularism are forms of subjectivism and political corruption rather than love.
You are your brother's keeper. Charity not socialism. I can see that. Charity with time, deed, and resources.
I don't think so, If I have use of things who cares who owns it. You are talking about replacing love with mere duty
Sorry, - in my comment below I meant to write "Vatican" not the "White House". lol