The Origins of Buddhism with Debashish Banerji
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- Debashish Banerji, PhD, is Haridas Chaudhuri Professor of Indian Philosophies and Cultures and Chairman of the East West Psychology Department at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco. He is author of Seven Quartets of Becoming: A Transformative Yoga Psychology Based on the Diaries of Sri Aurobindo and also The Alternate Nation of Abanindranath Tagore, a book about his great grandfather. He edited an anthology about his great uncle, Rabindranath Tagore in the Twenty-First Century. With Robert McDermott, he has coedited an anthology titled Philo-Sophia: Wisdom Goddess Traditions.
Here he points out that the earliest known Buddhist texts emerged several hundred years after the Buddha lived. Therefore, to better understand the origins of Buddhism, he relies upon artistic and architectural evidence - particularly the stupas of Buddhism, to which there are few textual references. Buddhism appears to have influences both from central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. He regards the stupas as being influenced by solar deity traditions.
New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in "parapsychology" ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980). He is also the 1st Prize winner of the 2021 Bigelow Institute essay competition regarding the best evidence for survival of human consciousness after permanent bodily death.
(Recorded on November 25, 2021)
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Hi Jeffrey .. can you help me... My soul is stucked in darkness i guess..
How can I send you a email or something
Meditate on - Was Buddha Buddhist; Was Christ Christian ?
A Great 19th Century Spiritual Giant has commented - It's alright to be born in the Chruch, but Do not die in The Church!
It is always such a pleasure, not to mention enlightening, when you have Dr. Banerji as a guest. Keep up the fantastic diversity of intelligence Dr Mishlove...
Hear hear!
I LOVE when you have Debashish on! Always so informative and insightful yet conversational and easy to absorb. You guys have a great rapport!
Very illuminating, thank you! It's wonderful to receive such clear, comprehensive and expert knowledge on Buddhist history. Popular discourse and literature on this topic tends to be fragmentary, abbreviated, biased and often just factually wrong; you have provided a valuable resource here. I especially enjoyed the clarification on the doctrine of "anatman" as this so often garbled and mis-stated.
Jeffrey and Debashish exploring the three images of the Buddha - gnosis, devotional, and tantric, bring to mind the three ways taught by Gurdjieff of the Yogi, Monk, and Fakir. It points to the ancient tradition of harmonizing the intellectual, emotional, and physical aspects.
Well Spoken, well explained, it had me riveted! Thank you for the stories.
Debashish is so wonderfully knowledgeable and such a good communicator. I watched the Jason Jorjani video about the Buddha possibly being Lao Tse and Scythian in origin. Very interesting to hear Debashish's understanding as well. May I recommend Drg Drysha Viveka talks by Swami Sarvapriyananda for a good study of exploring the Self - neti neti. It is excellent. Btw, love the jacket Jeffrey!
We are grateful 🙏🏻🌸🙏🏻
What an amazing series with Debashish Banerji! Please keep them coming! I would love to hear you discuss more about Vajrayana/Tantrayana/Mantrayana. For example, the two dhatu mandalas, siddham calligraphy, meditation in the A letter (Ajikan), Mahavairocana, combining mantra with mudra and visualization, relation to yoga and the Shddhis, etc. You both are incredible, thank you so much. Regards from Ecuador!
Firstly to see Jeffrey in that wonderful coloured jacket!..
and then to hear such an unforgettable scholarly interchange between you two...thank you.
Hello again from Ireland!..Serious scholars'...Smiling Buddhas'...Admiring Doctors...budding! initiates of the esoteric Great White Lodge...Art science History religion philosophy nature...Bodi Tree White elephants...you forgot to mention Tigers ,U.F.O.'s of The Bhagavad Gita!...Great stuff ,keep it up thanks!
As a point of interest, the Bön tradition also speaks of the Central Asian origins of an older Buddha (than Shakyamuni) … Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche (18,000 years) … what a wonderful interview … thank you gentlemen 🙏 Namaste
Thank you very much for this very interesting conversation. I learned a lot from this.
If as you say, in Hinduism the royal families authorised the priesthood 10 centuries B.C., that was also when in Judaism the priesthood authorised the the crown. 😌
The earliest Buddhist writing is found on the Buddhist edicts of Ashoka where he mentions five nikayas by name . What an absolute shame that they host days we don't know a lot about early Buddhism be cause lack of written evidences. This eurocentric approach to history totally discounts the complex Buddhist oral traditions . 19 the cent scholars often called the Buddhist bhanaka missionaries " Walking Manuscripts" because of their ability to recite massive teachings.
Amazing conversation and this is my revisit. Thank you Dr. Jeffry and Professor Banerji for you beautiful talk of wisdom on Buddhism !!!
Interesting that the origin of Buddhism is fairly obscure. One idea that came to me is that Buddhism, maybe like the other major religions, is a teaching produced by some esoteric group of people with advanced knowledge, like how later Shakespeare could have been a pseudonym for such group.
Awesome interview !
I love the black background of NTA interviews. It creates a timeless, location-less feeling which is wonderful for philosophy. :)
Lots of interesting information here. Thank you very much both.
This was a very interesting talk, very interesting!
Buddhism wasn’t entirely against the social order. All of the Buddhist stalwarts came from brahmin lineage. Nagarjuna, buddhaghosa, asvaghosa, dignaga, etc. all Brahmins. In fact Buddhism had no real appeal to the lower classes of Indian society, hence why it did not survive in India.
A deeply fascinating subject. Perhaps the Bön view of a pre-Buddhist teaching and teacher, Tonpa Shenrab, coming from "Tadjik" and the Zhang Zhung civilisation, Central-Asia perhaps, is worth examining in relation to this. Their tradition has the Buddha as a disciple of Tonpa Shenrab. I see Bön as the Judaism to Buddhism's Christianity! Great interview.
@@effervescentevanescenttran6331 Not according to contemporary researchers such Per Kavaerner. Many academics now agree that the Padma Sambhava myth was created to re designate Yungdrung Bön teachings as Buddhist, particularly tantric and dzogchen teachings which do not appear in the Pali scriptures. Indeed there is a Tibetan autochthonous tradition which is shamanic and is called Bön, but it is distinct from Yungdrung Bön.
Absolutely loved it. Thanks DB and JM. 💜
Buddhism is a gnostic religion similar to the Gnosticism of the Hellenistic world. There are very similar shared concepts.
Thank you very much for this. I would love to see a chapter about Guru Rinpoche Padmasambhava.
It is great to see you. Good day to everyone.
Thanks for the Indian scholar. It's always a pleasure to hear his comments and reasonable speculations. If Buddha was a Scythian, then he might be related to the Irish! Some are saying the Irish (particularly of the West Coast) have a connection to the Scythians, and their ancestors came from the same Step area. Gaelic and the Scythian Indo-Aryan language overlap, apparently, and Ireland's name-'Eire'- is assumed to be connected to 'Aryan'. Fascinating stuff, and not far fetched since we are more able than in any other time in history to chase historical connections. It's said by modern Keatians scholars we know more about the poet's life than his contemporaries, and more than even Keats knew about his family history. It's hope we can soon say the same about Sakyamuni.
To fight over the body of Buddha seems to show a lack of enlightenment. Mr. Banerji always has very interesting knowledge to share.
I think that many Buddhist philosophers would describe Shunyata (emptiness) as Ananda (bliss).
Jeffrey you might want to research the story of the African King Shabaka who withdrew his forces from Egypt back to Ethiopia as a result of a dream. A benevolent emperor like Ashoka.
I'm more convinced than Mahayana Buddhism is more ancient than Theravada. Most particularly because the Mahayana have a very large emphasis on meditation, far more than Theravada, and much closer to what the original Buddhism would've been like. Buddhism was very meditation-centric early on. Much less today.
There were even Buddhist missionaries in the Middle East at the time of Christ according to Clement of Alexandria.
May I recommend " The Divine Order and The Universe" by Dr. Bedri Ruhselman ? He wrote it in 50's and had it locked in the safe coffer of a notaris with strict instructions for it to be published 50 years later ( thinking that the information inside would not be suitable for all audiences at the time. ) And it happened, it is done, translated into English too. The book covers a very high level of esoteric and metaphysical philosophy, it confirms and completes other respectable works and needs not only Dr. Mishlove's but also his fans' attention.
Jeffery, thanks for all you do. Any possibility of a video for recently awakened(?) people. Any direction of what do to next, or even anything to avoid? More so involving remote viewing and parapsychology.
The name GOMATA/ KOMEDHA, to be sure, is not a rendering of GAUTAMA rather a KAMBOJA name . The name KAMBOJA ( CAMBYSES) is littered throughout the family name of Cyrus the Great. It is even seen in the name of the Indian king said by some to have killed Cyrus ( DerBIKES / BIKES/ BOJAS) . The Buddhist record two successful missions to the Kambojas during the Buddha's lifetime. These Kamboja are also conflated with the Pali Ambattha people that the Buddhist maintain was the offspring of OKKAKAS ( Grk OGYGES) and a slave girl who produced the world's first black skin person. When the Jews were said to have returned from exile they were said to have had darker skin: probably because of their intermarrying with the Kambojas. The AMBATTHA sutta mentions that the son of Okkakas with the slave girl went on to become a noble Rishi named Krishna ( black, Prakrit Khana)
Cyrus claims descent from HAXAMANIS aka SHAKYAMUNIS. Around the same time was dated an Indian Buddha Flinders Petrie unearthed at the Memphis Ptah temple ( Ptah /Buddha) .
This was also the place where Pythagoras was said to have studied. The Buddhists borrowed the Brahmanic terminology of calling their doctors " BrahmaCharya" and called their doctors " BUDDHACHARYAS, or PYTHAGORAS. Pythagoras is probably the eye doctor Amasis II sent to Cambyses . The superlative case of Prakrit CHARYAS, Sanskrit " GURUS", is CHARYASTHI/ KHAROSTHI ( CHRIST). In Pahlavi our ' Cyrus the Great' is rendered in the superlative case 'Cyrus the greatesT'.
The pipal tree spreads by having birds drop it's seeds on top of and overtaking other well established trees ( faiths/ systems)
Aryans created Buddhism. Gautama was an Aryan prince.
Excellent content. Thank you both.
Great info and great interview
Such wonderful content, thank you!
Yeah, I don't know if it's true that Anatta presupposes the Upanishads. Why couldn't it be the other way around?
Really want to get more into this. Keep getting distracted.
Thank you for this
Ty
Great Lore.
Buddhism originated in the mendicant movements of the Sramanas.
Saladin was also a great leader that became a humble recluse like Ashoka.
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New thought "s" based on a belief template which is at this time 2022 years old? Fight tooth and nail to travel the least efficient means possible. Or make where you are where you want to be.living a life that is in accordance with
Sustainability is not cutting edge thought. How we sell the concept needs to evolve with time.
Buddha was an orthodox Vedic Hindu
To obtain Enlightenment you must eliminate all desire. But don't they desire enlightenment?
At first you do and you try so hard to achieve enlightenment but don’t succeed so you give up lol and you don’t care about it anymore then at that moment you achieve enlightenment!
It's not about eliminating desire. It's about eliminating clinging to desires. Desiring by itself as fine, as long as you don't cling to it. Since it is ultimately illusory. For example, nothing wrong with desiring having sexual relations, as long as you realize sex, is impermanent and void of any independent existence.
I don't think Buddhism was a reaction against the caste system. Buddhism just didn't have a caste system. They had a different social system.
in historical context, how was this not a reaction?
@@thelucidinstitute Well, that's assuming too much interchange between Vedism and Buddhism that I don't think is historically grounded.
@@effervescentevanescenttran6331 Like I said. It's far more likely that Buddhism was non-caste than anti-caste. Or more likely Brahmanism was pro-caste.
Yes, I agree. Buddhism WAS against Vedic, Brahmin caste system from the very beginning.
@@timetoreason7090 Well, I don't think that. Buddhism just had it's own social system. Different system, rather than rejecting caste system
I would argue we know a bit more about Buddha than Christ, but not much more. The Pali Canon is more didactic than historical. Just like the Gospels.
but what about the time gap between the life of buddha & texts about buddha vs the life of jesus & texts about him?
@@thelucidinstitute The gap isn't as important as the fictional genre of the Gospels vs the didactic nature of the Pali Canon.