Comparing Grappling from JKD, Kali, Silat, and BJJ (and AIKIDO) with
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Professor Eli Knight and I discuss the grappling of JKD, Kali, Silat and of course BJJ - plus Aikido. Eli surprised me with his extensive knowledge of all forms grappling. He knows so much.
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Had an absolute blast with this discussion in this video. Really brought back some great memories, and I also learned a couple things from Ed. Really appreciate the opportunity.
Thank you for the opportunity as well! Always a blast training with you! 🙏
I always love the Puter Kapala series as well.
Great crossover content.
Reminds me of the saying (I forget who said it) -- "There is no Canadian geometry." Meaning that you are bound to see convergence in fighting systems because they're all predicated on the same human anatomy and so they'll all eventually discover the same efficiencies.
Yeah great point. 👍
You said the best Silat move ever. I'm very disappointed at the lack of wavy swords, hypnotism and energy blasts.
I'll do better next time
@@metrolinamartialarts On a serious note, I just learned yesterday that some modern schools of Karate still have throws (I had thought that had died out when the Japanese took the art over) do you know anything about those?
@@j.murphy4884 a little bit. I do know there's a lot of different karate styles and they're all trained differently.
@@j.murphy4884 I do Shotokan Karate and throws and standing grappling mixed with strikes are the majority of our syllabus. We don’t do very many kicks above the waist, as well.
I do Shuri Ryu and we have a lot of throws, joint locks (they're not exclusive to jujitsu 😲), and takedowns. Much like the Shotokan practicioner above. We very rarely kick above the waist.
Nice, Ed! That guy is my absolute favorite aikido content creator!
Mine too ❤️
Just saying that sounds like an insult to Aikido......
I use that Russian tie to ankle pick a lot, I always reference that as the Silat cross over. 🤣 I love blending Silat and Wing Chun into my grappling games!
That's awesome! I do the same thing lol. It's my favorite sequence from Silat.
As someone that did Silat for almost 2 years I love seeing y'all putting these techniques into more modern systems. There are a couple Silat sweeps that I actually used in Kickboxing and plenty of the joint locks that I love for Jiu Jitsu. Having been on the internet for a while and seeing all the "woowoo" associated with Silat in a lot of places I'm really grateful for my instructor
Yeah there is a lot of woowoo associated with it. That's why I love when people like Eli, Ron Balicki, and Erik Paulson make it applicable.
@@metrolinamartialarts Let´s not forget Mr. Burton Richardson´s "Silat for the Street" program 🙂
@@Santeria78 I actually haven't really looked into that too much. 😅 But everyone loves Burt so he must be on to something
@@metrolinamartialarts A lot of Silat is too playful, but I´ve come across a few useful techniques. Silat has a lot of good and brutal throws in my opinion.
I transition from kickboxing to Silat, I feel like I love Silat, I thought Silat was just a Wanna-Be Kungfu. But learning its technique it could be used in the middle of jungle woods and the streets. I'm not a fan of JKD because I feel it's not complete and I see a lot of people teaching have water it down by saying they know JKD but also know Muay Thai and Savate. But when they demonstrate they give a water-down explanation of what muay Thai kicks or savate stop kicks are. For example, they always say " What a Muay Thai kick is, they kick with the low part of the shin" When they demonstrate it looks freaking horrible.
Aikido has that lateral torque on the figure four ("shiho nage" is the Japanese) too, but we're expected to have our high falls down or be actively getting better at them when we start to work those.
Also, those silat ground moves.
Every now and then one of the instructors I would roll with would do some countermove or enough to show the threat when I got lazy or kept missing a beat, so I started trying to incorporate that into how I would give them an attack. It got me into a lot of spinny floppy bullshit what looks like this silat rollout throw from the butterfly hooks, and I could sometimes maaaybe get it to work when I didn't choke on fear of looking stupid or pissing off my training partner. I might have abandoned it completely if one of the instructors and a couple other students further along didn't throw very similar floppy counters sometimes.
We also had some stories of Ano-sensei suffering a bad injury at work--collar bone or something--and having to train without use of his arms for something like a year or more. Not the founder, but still a memorable and inspiring story. The one time he ran a training I could attend, he came round the groups to check what we were doing and correct if needed--which meant most of us got to throw him or do some other technique with him once. I remember being surprised by the lightness and economy in his attack. It confused me then, but I appreciate it now, and that experience together with the story now bolster me anytime I get intimidated by the thought of training around injuries or limitations.
"all human activity is limited by the range of human motion. the primary difference is how we train". I forget who said it but it true. that's why you see so many crossover techniques even In styles developed in hugely geographically separated area. look at Greco wrestling and you will see judo/jujutsu techniques. Great Video!
Thanks Sensei Judo Josh! 🤜💥🤛
Love it. The puter kepala is one of my absolute favorite techniques. I just feels cool, haha. I think the first context I learned it was in combination with thaiboxing actually. We would work transitions in the clinch and when we got to head/arm we'd knee, then push the head down and lift that arm to give 'em the ol' spin.
Surprised you guys didn't hit on the dump (kenjit I think?) in Silat. It's performed a little differently in wrestling/BJJ, but it's another one of my go-to's. At least when there's mixed striking/grappling. I find it harder to pull of when it's pure grappling (folks tend to keep their hips farther back and lower, for obvious reasons, makes it harder to "dive in"). It's funny, b/c I re-learned the same technique (with some modifications) in Capoeira of all places (vengativa). Capoeira actually has some interesting takedowns and sweeps, I actually ended up adjusting how I usually attempt sweeps b/c of how much I liked some versions of rasteira.
The kenjit is a great move! I love it
Been watching a lot of aikido stuff recently and finally understood its context, and same context applies here. All the techniques are for dealing with an armed attacker or if someone is trying to wrestle you while youre armed.
All the silly strikes make more sense if you put something in the opponents hand, and explains the emphasis on wrist grabs.
I enjoyed the JKD, Kali, Silat perspective that I got here!
As a judo and wrestling person I think I can see through a lot of the woo to whats actually going on in the takedown parts
True, a lot of aikido techniques are often taught with the katana to show positioning and understanding
I love experimenting with grappling techniques.
That move in the end looked awesome.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
That move at the end was amazing
When I wrestled in high school, I would use that underhook for a double-leg defense with a front headlock. And I'd do a sweep/takedown from there. Didn't work every time of course, but often enough. Occasionally I'd switch to an overhook with the same defense depending on what I wanted to do.
I also learned that leg over the neck move from my 2nd jkd instructor, who was also my boxing coach.
That's awesome
The shoulder lock at 2:42 reminds me of a Baguazhang(the main style I practice) movement that has a very similar execution. I love seeing the crossover from different styles regardless of the systems
Thank you gentlemen!!
Thank you for watching!!
Eli's awesome man, he knows the terminology in almost all realms, suprised by knowing the aikido terminology..
Great video!
Thank you!
❤the silat breakdown. That was mega interesting, would like to see more of this or even a collaboration with Burton Richardson JKDU
If I could get a collab with Sifu Burt that'd be awesome
Great collaboration video! Eli Knight is one of my favorite BJJ content creators
Me too ❤️
Fantastic video! I always love when techniques and sequences pop up in multiple places, for the same reasons mentioned: that way, you really know it’s good. The tangents on things like Shinya Aoki’s arm breaker and the elbow-to-knee tie-up reinforcement are also very welcome!
Ah, and I saw that the Subscribe bubble was spiced up as an Easter egg for the eagle-eyed viewer. Easy to miss, but it got my attention as I waited for the final Silat move-which certainly didn’t disappoint, either!
Thanks for all the work you put into these!
Thank you so much for watching!!
Outstanding! 😎
Thanks for watching!
Eli has always been my go to TH-cam jiujitsu guy, great content and mindset, very cool to see the collab 🥋🤙
Thanks man!
Great stuff! Been training in many systems for years and find usefulness in all. Keep it up guys! And end music sounded....airy lol.
Great episode! Love to chat martial arts concepts! 💯🥋👍🏾
Thank you 🙏
This is awesome!
Thank you so much 🙏
its nice to see that there are some positive aspects of silat. i hope we can see more of it.
For sure!
Great video, so much data and a great way to see how so many things are found in multiple arts. And as Ed says we do martial arts to look cool.
100% thanks for watching brother
Great title and true, wherever in the the world you look there are effective forms of wrestling and boxing for more than 200,000 years humans have been in conflict with one another whether it was over something essential like food or water or something not so essential like hierarchy or wealth.
Definitely! Thanks for watching!
Très intéressant mecs
In those ye olden manuscripts German messer sword fighting has the Americana/figure four lock with weapons, done when the blades bind up close, that looks exactly like the stick version of our Balintawak figure four lock.
There are so many variations and similarities due to so many different mindsets, body types, injuries, weapons etc. Bruce Lee's enlightenment was that the martial arts are essentially the same. Thank you for the awesome video guys!
Thank you for watching!!
I feel really stupid right now. Every wristlock technique I've ever seen in any martial art always has one thing in common: It would probably work in grappling on the ground but they always teach it standing up, where you could never pull it off for real. Why do they always teach it that way?
And it just hit me: Because you have to teach the technique *in a way that the whole class you're teaching can actually see it.*
Always to the lowest common denominator
Also, a lot of traditional wrist techniques are weapon retention or weapon disarms, or comes from a context involving weapons, so it makes sense to do them standing up
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Taking the knife example it looks incredibly similar to the 3rd play of the 1st master of dagger from the Fior di Battaglia (MS Ludwig XV 13) Circa 1404
So it worked in medieval itally as well, who would have throught #Hema #HemaNerd
Only so many ways a human can move! Thanks for watching
German messer sword fighting has the Americana/figure four lock with weapons that looks exactly like the stick version of our Balintawak figure four lock.
I love silat ground kicks for self defence, something any bjj practitioner could benefit from
Oh definitely!
The "figure four" takedown, as you do it in this video, is known as "Kategaeshi" in Aikido, Judo and Japanese JiuJitsu :-)
Love the pain training.....sometimes lol. Greatens your pain tolerance.
The body can only move so many different ways, so different styles will inevitably have figured out the same thing, just applied differently.
Exactly!
That's the whole point of JKD is that you can only fight so many ways the principles are what are important, you can always critique and make better those things.
Definitely agree!
In 6:06 time frame looks the same as the application from the shiko dachi series of the kata Seienchin.
Oh nice!
Great video
I like the shirt is your master king kai lol
I wish! lol
Thanks!
Ur welcome thanks for the content
It exists in so many systems because it's universal. Most of the differences is cultural.
Exactly!!
You guys are reminding me of the bad old days when finding good martial arts was a quest. Ragged Ashida Kim books, copies of copies of copies of George Dillman VHS tapes, buying Chinese stars from the weird guy at the flea market...
We worked for that shit.
Yeah dude. Sorry for the bad memories lol
@@metrolinamartialarts at least we had Steven Seagal movies to set us on the true path.
@@Jamoni1 praise be
Ed, you have about 100k too few subscribers--at least. I've been watching your videos for a while and recently my brain said "duh, subscribe, genius..." so... I did. Your attitude towards martial arts seems so..."actively innocently curious"--if that makes sense. Like you're a sponge and just love learning anything and everything...even Aikido! You remind me of myself and clearly that makes you awesome.
Oh, and I loved seeing other styles mixed in. If it works, it works. Anyone can say it came from X, Y or Z. In the end, put it in JKD and call it a day. 😉
Thank you so much for the kind words!! 🤜💥🤛
I agree - if it works, great! Doesn't matter it's origin.
I was just wondering as I saw the beginning of this video "what's a figure four takedown?" - then I saw it, and was like "shit, I learned that in karate from age uke (rising block) when I was a kid"
Nice! All moves exist across different modalities for sure
You're right, training silat hurts, but it looks cool. I 100% reccomend it to those who like to daydream they are a badass and fight off hordes of imaginary enemies.
That's a good point lol
I’ve seen it done with a chop we do the front and back take down
If u put the leg behind the leg. u can also do a back trip I was thinking
Yeah like an Osoto Gari
Bruce's notes in the Tao of jkd has moves from judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, muay thai, boxing, karate, etc. most of the main styles used in modern MMA.
Here's a couple good quotes
Former UFC fighter Dan Hardy - "The best source of realistic fighting is found in MMA gyms, Bruce Lee's concepts applied to Modern MMA is where it's at, and many of his concepts have been proven true by the filtration process of MMA."
And MMA legend Rickson Gracie - "Everything Bruce Lee said was the true essence of martial arts and his philosophy about fighting was 100% correct."
It's not really about this style has this, or this style has that, or whoever stole from whatever, it's about using the best of what WORKS from any style and being a well rounded, capable fighter.
P.s. watch some Anderson Silva MMA fights, he outright said he changed his style to be more like Bruce Lee and that he uses Lee's techniques; Silva even fights powerside forward.
Bonus round!
Powerside forward MMA fighters: Jon Jones-left handed orthodox, Anderson Silva-right handed southpaw, GSP-left handed orthodox (said this was his "secret weapon" and that he got it from Bruce Lee), Dustin Porier-right handed southpaw, Israel Adesanya-born left fights orthodox (ambodextrous), Colby Covington-right handed southpaw, Cyril Gane-right handed southpaw, I could go on lol
putar kepala
is the name in Silat (AFAIK)
;-)
I believe you're correct. In Kali I think they csll it wolis
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That sounds cool!
That Movement at 7.55 looks like a Practical application for a Taekwondo Poomsae Called Chongkwon.
Oh cool!
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If you wanna see the move it is at 0.47 th-cam.com/video/-oyNEzqPvyA/w-d-xo.html
The issue here is focusing on "stealing" when it is about convergent developments. Fighting arts trends to fetishise origin too much rather than trying to understand how covergent developments happen & works in different ways across cultures.
That's a good point.
@@metrolinamartialarts another thing that too many "modern" practioners fetishise is "practicality" of an art. Which is ludicrous. The art never fights. The person does. No matter what art you study, you are the one who have to make it work. This is why what matters is not art. All arts work when trained to work. When you understand why your art have the moves or concepts it does. Which only happens through training. The focus on whether an art works or not pretends that the art itself fights. When it is cultural system. All arts are cultural systems. Even supposedly "self defense systems" whose only focus is "practicality"
@Elias Altvall practicality fetishism was borne because of snake oil sales men. And why I agree a bit, a bunch of people have been sold on some bs or an art that may be useful if trained for decades. Which removes its usefulness in a modern society.
The art is the vehicle and the person the driver. If the art is equivalent to a Model-T you will get to your destination eventually. But a 2019 Toyota corolla may be a better more efficient option.
@@metrolinamartialarts my point is not that practicality is bad. It is how all practioners & their art should be viewed through tbh. You need to change your training methods if it is not practical. But too often the "practicality" that folks fetishise is not as practical as people want to admit or only practical in a sporting context. Truth be told, there is no single fighting art on this planet if trained properly you cannot use effectively in a couple of months of training. The idea that it takes years to make a thing practical is a myth developed in the west (& parts of asia) out of movies & a deep misunderstanding of what mastering an art means.
I would argue the metaphor is more accurate if you perceive the art as the blue print & training as the actual vehicle.
Imo too many people especially in mma or the circles that fetishise "practicality" believe the exact same myths that bullshido & snake oil sales people peddle. They just happen to see it as a negative. Unless it is Bruce Lee or the gracies than it is fine to do mythmaking.
This is why for me training needs to be what is emphasized as the issue. Focusing on techniques themselves without looking at training or principles behind why the technique is meant in that way (or if it has been changed recently by some master who never did anything practically) kinda loses the point.
My point is that there is a reason why even tho aikido is the closest art to be imo completely impractical. Folks in the grappling community keeps discovering how to use its moves when training differently from aikido itself. In fact aikido is a great example because too often people ignore why aikido is impractical. It is that its founder decided to make into a primarily meditative art & not a fighting art. It was primarily a fighting art & they trained like you'd expect with sparring & live drills until postww2 when Ueshiba became a pacifist. Too often this is not discussed when folks discuss why aikido does not work.
@@HawkmanWalker "Truth be told, there is no single fighting art on this planet if trained properly you cannot use effectively in a couple of months of training" I cannot agree with this... whatever fighting art means as martial art means "fighting" arts. Aikido is a martial art but has very little practicality and even trained for decades will not protect yourself in self-defense or win a combat sports fight.
Practicality is a necessary measure for wanting to perform well at martial arts - even moreso if one wants to fight combat sports. It has to be quick a turnaround of a few months to be useful otherwise it fails the practicality measure.
Really no one created these really good moves. I just started doing moves at age 13 and 14. I just do things that worked with just learning the very few basics. Internet had to be invented before i found anyone else doing some of these moves i just came up with. People that are really into the sport will just come to the same conclusion on good technique.
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What do you call it? The illegal Russian tie. That would work 100 percent just really hard to train without a 50/50 chance of popping the elbow.
Who is Pentegar Homesarjuano?
Herman Suwanda! He might have a special title that Eli said.
@@metrolinamartialarts what do u even call that move lol
@@diggocombs4548 the orangutan lol I dunno
@@metrolinamartialarts every elf deserves a name... and, its 5 o'clock somewhere 🍻
Do you guys trains kino mutai? The weird filipino biting art
I tried biting in Jiu-jitsu and now no one rolls with me. Lol but seriously no I don't.
@@metrolinamartialarts I thought that it was part of jkd since paul vunak does it lol
@@Ale-pk6td nah not really. Bruce did say in Longstreet to "bite" but it's not something easily drilled.
@@metrolinamartialarts take a look into it th-cam.com/video/UiRaOLabr9w/w-d-xo.html
Shinya Aoki
青木 真也,
Hapkido, judo,sanshou, combat sambo, kyokushin and kudo probably are the only arts that teach cool stuff like in movies but applicable
Definitely lol
@6:04 is kinda Ninjitsu style, your left hip guarding from the ability of your opponent to draw with their left hand. Crabwalk left a step, straightening your leg, release right, reach across, draw their sword, (kinda how he showed the ankle pick at 10:10 if you mess up, you still have Uchi Mata), as you make them fall on it. And step high knee behind, with or without sweep semi-simultaneously, is the finish.
Eli doesn't go to center enough to be accepted as having dark sword clouds.
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