How the NBA Got Away With Cheating for YEARS

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    The NBA had a scandal they hoped people would never find out about. The controversy would have blown up if it happened in the age of social media but lucky for the league this was pre-Reddit. An NBA employee posted an anonymous tell-all on a message board and this video looks at whether it could still be affecting the game today.
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  • @theULTIMATElife50
    @theULTIMATElife50 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +356

    Tim Duncan should have an official quadruple double.

    • @TheCarpentersApprentice
      @TheCarpentersApprentice 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      So so true.

    • @fishstick2189
      @fishstick2189 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I think wembanyama will do at some point

    • @mofocardinal
      @mofocardinal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      In the finals no less

    • @joshpaniagua7645
      @joshpaniagua7645 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So true

    • @ashinyblockreal
      @ashinyblockreal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      If he wasn’t so humble he 100% would

  • @maaransong4936
    @maaransong4936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +600

    In 5 years there’s gonna be a video, “The biggest referee scandal in NBA history, 2024”

    • @junson3209
      @junson3209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      All those freethrows for Lebum and Lakers

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@junson3209 lakers arent even top 5 in free throws but keep whining

    • @Dizcrete
      @Dizcrete 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@junson3209yeah but the league also rigged it for Kobe and shaq but no one Evers says that

    • @NateO123
      @NateO123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@crystalizedExposed they have the greatest disparity against their opposition tho so that’s interesting isn’t it? No matter what they always get more whistles than whoever they’re playing pushing +400 against their opponents. But sure nothing to see here.

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@NateO123 they have bron and ad, two of the most prolific drivers and paint scorers of all time. + ad is a veteran defender, he just doesn't foul a lot. orrr its a scheme by the league to get the lakers to the... 9th seed.

  • @garfieldarbackle3363
    @garfieldarbackle3363 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Legalized Sports betting ruined the NBA

    • @bigbangbasketball
      @bigbangbasketball 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Everybody gotta hit those lays

    • @mcmerry2846
      @mcmerry2846 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No, just corruption did it

    • @billcook4768
      @billcook4768 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How?

    • @garfieldarbackle3363
      @garfieldarbackle3363 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mcmerry2846 The corruption is made possible by the legalization of sport betting tho

    • @garfieldarbackle3363
      @garfieldarbackle3363 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@billcook4768 Look up the issue with Jontay Porter. Who knows how much more could be going on especially with the refs. Tim Donaghy did make a suspicious amount of calls to Scott Foster during his time.

  • @flysocietyZx
    @flysocietyZx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    would've been a hilarious time to run your sports gambling sponsor

    • @thareelhelloagain
      @thareelhelloagain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I noticed he used a different sponsor than usual too lol, kinda spineless tbh. He needs to talk about how bad the current situation is too.

    • @shawns.12
      @shawns.12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      that would mean he'd have to agree he's part of the problem. Just like every youtuber with a gambling sponsor. They talk about all the winnings but never mention they're playing with house funds as part of the sponsorship contract.

  • @tomodomo1000
    @tomodomo1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    It is still ON. Jokic vs. GSW having over 20FT... Lebron not calling for traveling all his career.

    • @NotGord
      @NotGord หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's such a stupid mindset. And to say Jokic gets this benefit when he averages 5 ft a game is crazy.

    • @michaelchapa6669
      @michaelchapa6669 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To much money on the line to fake stats

  • @TrevHenny
    @TrevHenny 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +192

    They went from fixing stats to fixing how many times a team gets to the foul line.

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I know it feel like that haha, but when a team is down they usually get more
      FTS not because of refs but because when you are down you tend to drive more and take higher % shots and the team that's up tends to settle for jumpers. It's really just that, It would be so hard for them to fix shit lmao

    • @benishben4364
      @benishben4364 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@buttnuts2599just cause you drive more doesn't mean more FT automatically, you still need to win fouls, Embiid drive in more but half those calls are BS, we all know that

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@benishben4364 yes let's talk about Embiid that's genetically and statistically an outlier... C'mon buddy do better.

    • @danielkarcis1174
      @danielkarcis1174 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@buttnuts2599 27 free throws in the 4th quarter to help kobe and shaq beat the kings in 2002 was not them driving more it was clearly rigged. If you think thats the onky time the nba has been rigged with fouls you're smokimg rocks.

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@danielkarcis1174 I think superstars get more calls than non stars. And the king's stars have always been disrespected by fans, media, and refs for all of eternity. You are lacking critical thinking skills if you think they rig games.

  • @laffo1980
    @laffo1980 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    No evidence of games being rigged??!! This happens in every major sports competition in the world. Video referees , blatant blown calls, major fines for questioning referees, referees never facing media, the fact that whole competitions of teams play the exact same way with the same format and controlling results to give the illusion that the salary caps are working

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus หลายเดือนก่อน

      They're controlling results to give the illusion that the salary caps are working? Why?

  • @dave_407
    @dave_407 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I’ve seen Jalen Suggs get 3+ steals so many times this season and then the box score says 0 or 1.

    • @garage13
      @garage13 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      statistician corruption ye

  • @ImThatChosenOne
    @ImThatChosenOne 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    This might be your BEST video and most EXPOSING one by far 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @TheeGlocktopus
      @TheeGlocktopus หลายเดือนก่อน

      There hasn't been a season without a game 7 since 1999. Every decade prior has multiple seasons per decade without a game 7. The frequency of game 7s have almost tripled in the last 12 years as well. Something isn't right.

  • @WikkiGaming
    @WikkiGaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Love the video as well as the sponsor, I will have to check them out. Especially proud that you brought up the NBA tomfoolery as it relates to sports betting, the FBI investigation, and so forth.
    You are a really excellent content creator Casey. Keep up the awesome work.

  • @TimeRings
    @TimeRings 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Huge fan here. Love the videos. A lot of in-depth detail, several takes and perspectives, and the videos are very logical. I love it.

    • @floatinrocktubetalk3768
      @floatinrocktubetalk3768 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Logical. Cap. He’s propaganda. It still happens, nothing was debunked it’s just the narrative overconfident assholes want to parrot. This era isn’t better, you’re just bias and a hypocrite.

  • @NateO123
    @NateO123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    Let’s talk about that Lakers free throw disparity now 😂

    • @jake8748
      @jake8748 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Its less than last year and no one claimed it then. Its also less than the 2018 Hornets had that year. Does this mean the NBA was rigging it to try and prop up MJ?

    • @NateO123
      @NateO123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@jake8748 well they lead the league in free throws against their opposition so if it’s less that means they had it last year too. Sure looks like the league wants Lebron in the playoffs to me js lol, plus individuals trying to pad stats for stars is hardly the same as the league clearly trying to keep one player relevant with absurdly biased officiating 😂

    • @No_Iceee
      @No_Iceee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@NateO123biased officiating?? You got joel, giannis, luka, Sga 😂😂😂 but sure Lakers only had favorable calls 😂😂😂

    • @jake8748
      @jake8748 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @NateO123 yes they lead the league in FT differential this season. They led last season in FTD by a larger margin than this season. Also the 2018 Hornets led that year in FTD by a larger margin than what the Lakers lead this year. You think the 2018 Hornets were being favoured for their superstars and to create a narrative in that season?
      Or, if you understand how bad the lakers are on defence and at shooting you'll realise opposing teams often get easier shots off except if they end up with AD in the middle, and also the lakers have little good offensive strategy but to throw it inside and iso/post up etc in the paint which leads to alot of FTA. AD and Lebron have never fouled much in their careers.

    • @tomodomo1000
      @tomodomo1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@No_Iceee Actually not only the Lakers got SO VISIBLE help.

  • @ChidOki
    @ChidOki 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It’s wild that even the biggest skeptic could take 1.5 assists per game off of Stockton’s career…and he’d still be the all time leader over Jason Kidd, assuming you didn’t make any adjustments on his stats either.

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      his longevity is wild, missed like 40 games in 20 years

    • @MrDiMES123
      @MrDiMES123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stockton had fake assists look it up they counted Karl Malone posts ups

    • @JJFX-
      @JJFX- 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@MrDiMES123 Dude it was in the video. Nobody is saying all of his assists are fake, that's absurd. The point is even if you removed a large percentage of them, he'd still be the leader even though you'll find players lower on the list that surely have some padding as well.

  • @bonanimathambo8721
    @bonanimathambo8721 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    That van Exel “assist”, though! 😆😆😆

  • @3tp
    @3tp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Of course games influenced by forces beyond the play between the lines. Gambling. TV Networks. Team owners. They all put their fingers on the scale.

    • @TheGoldeagle99
      @TheGoldeagle99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      💯. Which is why I can never root for or be a fan of any team with the same passion I once did as a youngster. I still enjoy some of it though.

    • @3tp
      @3tp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @TheGoldeagle99 I see other grown-ups who still passionately root & care and I envy their delusional mindset, but am glad I don't have it.

    • @TheGoldeagle99
      @TheGoldeagle99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@3tp 🤣🤣. Just remember what Morpheus told Neo. Some people don't want to be unplugged from the system. Many will even fight to protect it.

  • @Kodreanu23
    @Kodreanu23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fantastic video! Really insightful. Thank you!

  • @RunningTheBlitz
    @RunningTheBlitz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Amazing research once again

    • @AMHoops
      @AMHoops  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glad you enjoyed it

    • @stefanmccrae
      @stefanmccrae 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Anyone else here go screwed over by a Jimmy Butler bet a couple weeks ago where they awarded him an assist in real time but after the game was done, they took the assist away?

    • @justinrichardson3864
      @justinrichardson3864 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He yoinked this from Pablo Torre Finds Out.

  • @Rayzajw
    @Rayzajw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pablo Torre Finds Out had the original story but you did a great summary. Great video for both of yall

  • @kai9601
    @kai9601 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love your videos man

  • @marzycf
    @marzycf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    A.M. hoops ramping up the content🔥🔥 keep going yalll

  • @farrdawgjoker7087
    @farrdawgjoker7087 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    They don't call it business for nothing. Sometimes the product has to be dressed up to draw in attention to help drive up the price of TV/Network deals and when nobody is looking they scrub the lipstick off that pig and pretend like it never happened.

  • @TRUEDEMONBROLY
    @TRUEDEMONBROLY 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    The nba isn’t rigged as a whole but there are moments that make ya go hmmmm?

    • @Kingchasethebag-yeah
      @Kingchasethebag-yeah 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Exactly zaddy I don’t know why people say that

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's almost like there are 1230 NBA matches a year, so many many random outcomes can happen.

    • @alvinsheczlek5243
      @alvinsheczlek5243 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It’s definitely as rigged as wwe

    • @bigbangbasketball
      @bigbangbasketball 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      NBA = WWE

    • @Kingchasethebag-yeah
      @Kingchasethebag-yeah 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bigbangbasketballnope

  • @ioannis.kassimatis
    @ioannis.kassimatis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work Casey.. enjoy your channel a lot 🙏🏼

  • @spokoman23
    @spokoman23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    And "this happened in 09" and you show the stats allign just this year and that is "quick"??

  • @hmu958
    @hmu958 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This channel and GOAT have got me to like NBA again. Thank you.

  • @gianniskyriakidis911
    @gianniskyriakidis911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thats why you have to look for the optimal schemes and there are players that making the team better without the reflect on the statsheet, factors like spacing tempo etc can not be measured but are really important

  • @TulsasVryOwn
    @TulsasVryOwn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro. This is an amazing video. Bravo

  • @TwistedFantasy23
    @TwistedFantasy23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best content you dropped in a long time

  • @dainepatton4035
    @dainepatton4035 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love your news bro

  • @traeyoung2998
    @traeyoung2998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Let’s get more vids like these 🙌🙌

  • @markzaps1483
    @markzaps1483 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    This makes sense, makes me more suspicious if whether the 100 point Wilt game actually happened or was intentionally rigged.

    • @jake8748
      @jake8748 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      It happened but they did actually basically engineered it to aswell. It wasn't naturally scored. The entire team kept giving it up to him. Its like Kobes last game, it was clear that wasn't just him.

    • @TemporicideB
      @TemporicideB 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Scoring points is more objective than whether who should get credit for tips for rebounds or time to count assists.

    • @majora919
      @majora919 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I actually don't think its rigged, the sport wasn't even popular thats why theres no recording or anything. They assumed no one would really care

    • @JazzyJ5G
      @JazzyJ5G 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's video on youtube that shows every point he scored in that game-allegedly.

    • @TheGoldeagle99
      @TheGoldeagle99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jake8748you think so?

  • @iamme4494
    @iamme4494 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is dangerous reporting bro

  • @TheDeven1000
    @TheDeven1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They cook the books for Wemby for sure. Chet seems to get shorted on his blocks sometimes. He had one block the other night that was emphatic and he ended the game with 0 blocks

  • @zaza321
    @zaza321 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done sir! thank you for bringing it back to light.

  • @Supreme36074
    @Supreme36074 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Pippen said this about the score keepers in Chicago at time taking steals from him & giving them to Jordan & he heard a scorer keeper tell Mike , “ I took care of you tonight Mike”. This really just corroborates it.

  • @lasco7468
    @lasco7468 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It's common to give the stat to the best player

    • @HalftimeEditz22
      @HalftimeEditz22 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      POV 2K LUKA DONCIC

  • @tobznoobs
    @tobznoobs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    all the times i lost a fantasy matchup/title due to 1 turnover, assist or block or even points, give me my money back!

  • @Shooopdawooooop
    @Shooopdawooooop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the “We done with the 90s” trend that’s been circulating thru NBA spaces the last few weeks. I think it’s hilarious to see but gravely dangerous to the convo to be had about the game.

    • @adriancomia6618
      @adriancomia6618 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I heard that trend for like 2 days ago, what's with it btw

    • @zappbrannigan2415
      @zappbrannigan2415 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@adriancomia6618Basically a bunch of young idiots hating on the 90s to retaliate against the old idiots who hate the modern gen
      Id stay outta it since it is filled with a bunch of dummies

    • @avengerkill809
      @avengerkill809 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      the trend is legit, I grew up watching the entire 90s era. nostalgia plays a part, if anybody has the nba league pass please watch those games. The level of skill is massive aside from the generational talents from those era. you will never find a guy like steph curry moving off the ball most guys were standing around off the ball slightly shifting or clogging the paint.

    • @tdup191
      @tdup191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@avengerkill809 lol Curry wouldn't be able to move as freely with hand checking not to mention shooting 3s at a high clip was frowned upon so Curry wouldn't play like he does now. 🗑 take

    • @avengerkill809
      @avengerkill809 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tdup191 if guys like John Stanton with no left hands can play during that era then Steph curry would destroyed defense with his off the ba movement and coming off screens. Reggie Miller took MJ and bulls to 7 games, Steph curry would've been a nightmare for defense. Shooting 3s was not frowned upon mf just couldn't make it. Reggie was taking almost 5 shots from 3 per game and he's nowhere near as efficient as a shooter as curry. You sound like you don't know basketball.

  • @lij2008
    @lij2008 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro i just played 2k17 on my xbox and everytime I tip the ball without grabbing the full rebound, it counts as a board smh. Anyways great video.

  • @MatthewLum11
    @MatthewLum11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Every time Casey comes out with an investigative exposé like this, I gotta give him props with my real account. Great job being a REAL journalist among bloggers, Casey! 🏀🏆🕵🏻‍♂️

    • @eugeneflynn7435
      @eugeneflynn7435 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree fully. To my surprise(!?!), Casey has become my favorite NBA blogger, and I watch a lot of NBA bloggers.

  • @rainpatch4358
    @rainpatch4358 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, this is the 1st time I've heard about this.

  • @benlipton7685
    @benlipton7685 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Am hoops is best source for nba

  • @Dangic23
    @Dangic23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    It still shocks me to know that there are people who don’t know that the NBA and NFL are no different from the WWE.

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It still shocks me to know that there are people who believe that the NBA and NFL are no different from the WWE.

    • @AC-py9dk
      @AC-py9dk หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ok buddy 😂

    • @userlamezz
      @userlamezz หลายเดือนก่อน

      draymond maybe but i think you’re stretching it

  • @BlessedAreTheCheesemakers
    @BlessedAreTheCheesemakers หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    yeah I watched that Pablo Torre Finds Out episode too

  • @ItsGamingFancy
    @ItsGamingFancy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's like when they give stars the benefit of the doubt for foul calls. It's not even a secret. People talk openly about "he's earned that call" or "if he was so-and-so he probably gets that call"

  • @Chris-de4km
    @Chris-de4km 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That’s not true they still do it. I noticed this happens. Not so long ago with Orlando magic games that are the ones I always watch. Who knows what they’re doing in the rest of the league! I have noticed when I see what seems not to be accurate most of the times under, and sometimes over. Depending on the players. What I noticed was with blocks as they tend to be easier to count as they tend to be less. I’m obviously not keeping track but sometimes is to obvious to the naked eye 😩😤😠

  • @nikofoto
    @nikofoto 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A man with no respect for his kneecaps.
    I love this channel.

  • @niki8280
    @niki8280 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Remember to also keep in mind that players perform better at home with the support of the crowd.
    This is also true for points not just the subjective stats.

  • @johnr7040
    @johnr7040 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So it sounds like in these fantasy player picks we should be picking players on the home team for overs.

  • @lasco7468
    @lasco7468 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Every match Scott is reffing is sus how the nba allow him to still ref

    • @bns434
      @bns434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He’s their favorite ref. The nba controls him

  • @Kig_Ama
    @Kig_Ama 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    NBA is no fun no more.

  • @luckyhubbie
    @luckyhubbie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was at the Scott Skiles game. I always thought that number was suspect.

  • @Fernando_616
    @Fernando_616 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is one of those rare occasions where vid pertaining to a scandal seems feasible. Cheating like this seems entirely plausible.
    Side note about MJ getting DPoY as a guard however; that wasn’t a rarity in the 80s. In fact I believe the first two were won by a Bucks player who’s name eludes me at the moment

    • @capricehollis1372
      @capricehollis1372 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Sydney moncreif n Alvin Robertson if I'm correct...

    • @slobodanjamedzija7545
      @slobodanjamedzija7545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sidney Moncrief,i belive he won in 1984.and 1985.but i am not sure. Also M.Cooper won the award as a sf.

    • @slobodanjamedzija7545
      @slobodanjamedzija7545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@capricehollis1372 yeah,Alvin Robinson is so underreated and underapreciated. AM hoops should probably do video on him.

    • @Fernando_616
      @Fernando_616 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Moncrief, thank you. All I could remember was Sydney without looking 😆

    • @Fernando_616
      @Fernando_616 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@slobodanjamedzija7545 forgot about Coop winning, another non big man

  • @EnochAlalade
    @EnochAlalade 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Day 4 of asking A.M. Hoops for offseason videos

  • @nacoran
    @nacoran หลายเดือนก่อน

    Years ago I worked the score table at a couple Women's NJCAA DIV III tournament. I saw someone block 19 shots in a game.

  • @andreBmore410
    @andreBmore410 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A.M Hoops so big fam of your videos. So imma give u a heads up. the sponsor LMNT i justed stopped working for the company that handle there product. Very nasty warehouse that had major rat problems and i mean major so when u open there product check for mice dropping because we told that sorry company what was going on but they didnt care they just wanted there product sold and out the building. When i saw the LMNT just now i had the tom brady look when he won his first chip. So just keeping u informed more salt not less lol i will always remember there slogan

  • @edwardrhoads7283
    @edwardrhoads7283 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been doing stats for my kids rec teams for years. Now I don't feel so bad when I miss a rebound or shot attempt or two.

  • @PapaMatt107
    @PapaMatt107 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The most egregious stat-padding the NBA does today is in the assist numbers, that's why triple-doubles have somewhat became the norm for superstars in the league or almost every week you see at least one player have one. Traditionally, an assist counts after a player scores directly or immediately after a pass from a teammate. But now, a player can do iso dribbles, then take a couple more steps then score off a pass from a teammate and it would still count as an assist.

    • @Kamylamy
      @Kamylamy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      thats kinda how assisting works its not just the nba if your new to this game

    • @PapaMatt107
      @PapaMatt107 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Kamylamy nope. like I said, traditionally, if a scoring player does extra movements like iso dribbles, a bunch of steps right after the pass, it does not count as an assist unlike today. you only need to see Tyrese Haliburton's record-breaking 32 assist game for that. and to help you understand that, here's the actual link - th-cam.com/video/MR-abuQovp8/w-d-xo.html , then at the 25-second mark, when Tyrese passed to Turner, that play wouldn't have counted as an assist in the 90's and early 2000's because Turner right after getting the pass behind the 3-point line, instead of shooting the ball, took a pump fake, then a couple of dribbles and a few more steps for the layup. if you watched basketball during those era's and compared it from today, you would know the difference....

    • @user-bw9qy7yl4s
      @user-bw9qy7yl4s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@PapaMatt107You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. That assist at 25 seconds is dubious for sure, but you can't say that about a single one of the other assists in the video, which you obviously didn't watch. There weren't 32 assists in a game, it was over the course of two games as you can clearly see by the bright red court at just over the minute and a half mark lol. Why would you cite a video you didn't even watch as evidence for your argument? Shit doesn't make sense. And calling it a "record-breaking 32 assist game" shows you didn't watch much of the video you're commenting on because it mentioned the actual record holding 30 assist game (from the 90s) and how it's likely fraudulent.
      In fact, this whole video is about how stats such as assists were routinely manipulated during the 90s, 2000s, and before (Nick van Exel, John Stockton), and how this wasn't combated until 2010. So did you even watch the video you're commenting on at all? lmao

    • @PapaMatt107
      @PapaMatt107 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@user-bw9qy7yl4s clearly your reading comprehension was off. I did watched the whole video clip and I know it was in a span of two games, which was in fact still a record for a two-game stretch of most assist without a turnover, so I just stated you facts. and I never said all or most of those assists were dubious that's why I only stated one as an example. If you haven't actually watched the games during the 80's, 90's, early 2000's like most of us old folks did, you won't have perspective to compare with how it was today. so it was you who had no clue what you're saying that's why you can't see my point. which is, like you said, today's stats are manipulated to an extent that it became the norm unlike before when it was only done to a handful of stars and players. if you still don't get what I'm saying, Josh Hart just had a triple-double at home against the Sixers. still don't get my point? today.... everybody can get a triple-double because that's how manipulated stat keeping is unlike before when it was just reserved for the true stars of the game.

    • @user-bw9qy7yl4s
      @user-bw9qy7yl4s 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@PapaMatt107You can just admit you were wrong dude lmao. You called it a game, singular, and clearly meant it that way.
      You said "that play wouldn't have counted as an assist in the 90's and early 2000's" when there's an even more egregious example of an inflated assist in this video for Nick van Exel in the 90s. Now you're saying it did happen, but just for some people which would be good goalpost moving if you were having this conversation verbally and not over text where I can see exactly what you previously argued.
      "so it was you who had no clue what you're saying that's why you can't see my point" is a pretty silly thing to say while you change your arguments lol. It's possible you meant the things you're saying, but you certainly didn't say them or provide any reason for someone to think otherwise. For the record I've watched plenty of regular season games from those decades and full playoff series as well. I have a better idea than most how those games went.
      "today's stats are manipulated to an extent that it became the norm unlike before when it was only done to a handful of stars and players" This video actually shows the average assist totals for away vs home teams, and the first time in league history it was an even ratio was after the 2010 rule implementation. This shows less bias in today's calls, not more, and to directly address your point this data indicates that entire teams (not a few individual players) directly benefited from phantom assists.
      Josh Hart getting a triple double is the result of being a good basketball player and being on the floor for a long time, not conspiratorial stat padding. You're talking about a guy that has 65 career double doubles while only being a starter in 195 of his career games. A person who gets double doubles in 15% of his total games that has averaged more than 4 assists per game in multiple years is liable to get a triple double when you hand them 39 minutes in a 48 minute game. In fact, he's had two other triple doubles and his minutes for all three averages to 41.5.
      Just to remind you, "triple-doubles have somewhat became the norm for superstars" was your original argument. You followed that up with "almost every week you see at least one player have one." There are 52 games this week alone, so just one player doing that doesn't really sound like some horrible epidemic in context. Triple doubles are only "somewhat" the norm for a handful of players now, like you said before, but now you're saying "everybody can get a triple-double" which is a massive leap in argument from really anything in your other comments.
      Oscar Robertson and Magic are 2nd and 3rd in triple double totals over their careers. Jason Kidd, Wilt, and Bird are also top 10 for that stat. There have always been elite heliocentric players in the NBA that routinely scored triple doubles. There are certainly more of these types of players in today's game, and the statline is absolutely more common, but that's a testament to the overall skill of the league's players dramatically increasing over the years. It's immensely more difficult to make it to the NBA in 2024 than it was in the 90s. The level and quality of training has gone way up, the sport has become more accessible internationally, and kids are taking it up as their primary sport earlier and earlier. The style of coaching has changed a lot since the 2000s, which was different from the 90s, and the 80s, and so on. The rules have changed to allow players more opportunities on offense. In 2024 we're talking about a league where the 7th option on a team might be a 40% 3 point shooter, and where 7 footers who can't shoot have been almost entirely phased out.
      Furthermore, if you actually look at the numbers you would see that the team with the most assists per game in 2004 was the Sacramento Kings at 25.8 a game. Last year it was the Warriors at 29.6. Not even a four assist difference per game in almost two decades. As a matter of fact, teams averaged about the same amount of assists per game from at least 2004 until 2017. After this, teams increasingly committed to modeling their offense after the Warriors' system and the assist averages are up because of it.
      Again, you do not know what you're talking about.

  • @bobwhite2
    @bobwhite2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just watch any game. Issues everywhere. It’s no different from holding in football - they can call in on most every play, or not. Traveling is the same, 5 times a game, no call, or well, maybe.

  • @ardendragoon
    @ardendragoon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Easy evidence. Fouls called and free throws. The NBA is a joke

    • @joshthom1937
      @joshthom1937 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The guy is still hustling and lying to ....yup sell something

  • @renkane3086
    @renkane3086 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hilarious how people bringing up bron but ignoring MJ and Kobe. Oh the irony

  • @pocaoffice
    @pocaoffice 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There was proof last year with the ref who was a Boston fan with a burner account.. Also, there would be more refs named, but the NBA had a scapegoat.

  • @tuntuu
    @tuntuu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's why it's National Basketball Entertainment.

  • @Saxgod
    @Saxgod 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well all of us Mavs fans know the Heat were given that finals win over us in 2006. We were up 2-1 and then the refs started giving the heat calls. Or they called weird fouls to mess with the momentum. It was angering.

  • @Wtfpleasehlp
    @Wtfpleasehlp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You do know there’s videos of Stockton and Michael Jordan, doing those steals and assist😂😂😂 I would understand if the videos did not exist, but😂😂😂😂

  • @maxmeier532
    @maxmeier532 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is obviously a grey area where you could argue either way if something was a rebound or an assist.

  • @por3328
    @por3328 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A lot of assists and rebounds in this modern nba are stat padded because of we are in a triple double era

  • @bobheyotue9850
    @bobheyotue9850 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    What do you mean where’s the proof. We literally now have the opportunity to bet on our phones. It has gotten so blatant that players like Tatum, lebron/reeves and Luka will much rather get a technical for yelling at the refs than running back on defense .

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That’s not proof that refs are manipulating games because of betting, buddy.

    • @user-lt9bk8lk9d
      @user-lt9bk8lk9d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he protecting his husband lebron james. hes a lebron dick rider

  • @bandito241
    @bandito241 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember there was a TH-camr that used to laugh at CP3 fake assists when he was in LA

  • @spokoman23
    @spokoman23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unless you go watch the tape accusing someone they got a better statline at Home vs Away is a witch hunt, but yes, I've noticed this especially in assists in the 90s... the 2000s, the 2010. Stuff that's happening now is way more criminal.

  • @jayherbogaming
    @jayherbogaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thought this was Lakers vs Kings for a second

  • @tomt5482
    @tomt5482 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The rebounding and assist stats 100% still get pumped up today in the way you've broken them down if you watch full games and count along. Not talking the odd outlier but 20%+

  • @BOOMSHAKALAKA
    @BOOMSHAKALAKA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a TH-cam channel (in Portuguese) and I have analyzed a few games that I thought could be suspicious. For example, in David Robinson’s quadruple-double, he only got 6 assists and 6 blocks. Walt Frazier is credited with 19 assists in game 7 of 1970 NBA Finals, even though he got only 9. But, on the other hand, I watched Skiles’ 30 AST game. Not only he had 30, but in today’s criteria of what an assist is, he would have at least 33 or 34. Olajuwon’s quadruple-double is also for real.
    Edit: and for the “Duncan should have had a quadruple-double”, no he shouldn’t. Of the 8 blocks credited, 3 or 4 of them were kinda fake.

  • @rick86ify
    @rick86ify 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was expecting Underdog Fantasy to be the sponsor. 😂

  • @miyui9269
    @miyui9269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    this also means, scottie pippens stats are also reduced to bring a narrative to the people. especially, in the past you cannot replay the whole game with just a press of a button and subsciption.

  • @thetruthstand
    @thetruthstand 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw another TH-cam creator with a similar video about how the NBA is inflating the stats of Victor Wembanyama

  • @inzodarello7251
    @inzodarello7251 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We are done with the 90s 😂😂😂😂

  • @mpbeastohugbear83
    @mpbeastohugbear83 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good journalism.

  • @oscarradunski8314
    @oscarradunski8314 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is now worse than ever...assists and rebounds...

  • @mattmcrae1458
    @mattmcrae1458 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely a gray area. Alot of times guys that collect stats on the team's bench aren't sure how to count a play. I remember a head coach walking down the bench to ask the stat guy how many offensive rebounds a player had. The guy goes 4 and the head coach says no way he's got more like 8. A not so subtle hint to up his numbers.

  • @matthewyip8695
    @matthewyip8695 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im a Kings fan and mysteriously sabonis will be short rebounds or assists occasionally. It's weird when local beat journalists who follows live games and when they post stats of the player and the official stats are incorrect by 1-2 assists or rebounds here and there. P.s. im not into the "cheating conspiracies" on most sports leagues... But we all know it's fueled by gambling.
    Ex: pro tennis scandal with Russian mob betting on players who throws a game or set etc... to alter betting lines.
    Baseball: sign stealing
    Football: play stealing
    Basketball: referee tampering
    .
    Etc

  • @shibbyjim
    @shibbyjim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vancouver Grizzlies!! Miss them so much

  • @donavonzerbest9530
    @donavonzerbest9530 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Assists are always recorded by the home team.
    Look at Sabonis and Fox on the road vs at home... Sabonis gets more on the road Fox gets more at home

    • @mysportisyourpunishment73188
      @mysportisyourpunishment73188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What website do you use for that?

    • @donavonzerbest9530
      @donavonzerbest9530 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mysportisyourpunishment73188 basketball reference and stat muse to double check (player game stat tracker). You can side by side the stats and see the fluctuations between the two. I'm not a die hard Kings fan so I can't speak to how they decide to run their offense night in and out- but I saw a thread on this on reddit and it peaked my curiosity and held weight after digging.

  • @gilclaudio3078
    @gilclaudio3078 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I suppose AI can now count the statistics of a game--feed a video file of an entire game to a program that reads it and then gives out the stats of each player. In this way, anyone can collect their own stats and thus check the official stats.

  • @edwartoelrico333
    @edwartoelrico333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So we done with 2000's and under

    • @edwartoelrico333
      @edwartoelrico333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So the goat is Stephen curry

    • @crystalizedExposed
      @crystalizedExposed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edwartoelrico333 sorry but thanasis is here

  • @cesilio
    @cesilio 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yup, i agreed

  • @thegame7557
    @thegame7557 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The NBA games are now rigged by how free throws are (or not) awarded. Sometimes a team will get more while the other team does not for similar fouls. Its subtle but it works.

  • @vinniechan
    @vinniechan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the stats werent fake per ce there are room for interpretation and those 50 50 calls all got given to stars to prob them up.
    to be honest, a lot of assists we see these days are dubious.

  • @nevalelapena
    @nevalelapena 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine Joker efficiency... Just for a moment...

  • @GrandTerr
    @GrandTerr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You just killed my hope in nba consipracy theories

  • @Remy0904
    @Remy0904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    They literally amped up the manipulation of stats for the legacy of lebron. But it's working for his detriment because we all could see the bias and overexposure by the media and Adam Silver's cash cow in LBJ. They will surely gloss over that his stats have indeed been fabricated to prop his game above MJs and Kobe's, but we all notice that this is not the reality.

  • @GotBenched
    @GotBenched 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The score keeper controls the electromagnet on the ring.

  • @simpsbelongtothegulags3702
    @simpsbelongtothegulags3702 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Flight aint capping with his "Fake Stats" comments

  • @kirkgholson5545
    @kirkgholson5545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Related: "Unforgotten: Operation Flagrant Foul".... It's not just about the betting scandal but also the amount of refs/coaches/players just admitting refs hold grudges & call games that way.

  • @tradtrad1000
    @tradtrad1000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The "we done with the 90s" trend not going away any time soon 😂😂

    • @tdup191
      @tdup191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lmao so you think they don't do this shit today??

  • @PapaVanTwee5
    @PapaVanTwee5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:47 It's so good to still see fellow Plymouth (IN) HS alum Scott Skiles at #1 on this list. Sure, it was 30 passes to Shaq, but it still feels good.

    • @PapaVanTwee5
      @PapaVanTwee5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Alright, I found footage of his record, and first, I thought they had Shaq on the team, but he's not in the footage. They did play the Nuggets, and that's one explanation as to how it happened. He also was on the court al game in a 30pt blowout. Second, there were 2 or 3 that were pretty close to not being assists, but you can judge for yourself:
      th-cam.com/video/lLl1fHi97HM/w-d-xo.html

  • @andreamicucci2396
    @andreamicucci2396 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im a daily NBA prop bettor and i couldn't tell you how many times per night me and other people are in an outrage about stats being corrected!

  • @roboninja3194
    @roboninja3194 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once gambling was legalized it's obvious there would be problems. Multiple NFL players have been suspended the last few seasons for betting on games. The NBA already had Tim Donaghy. I find it hilarious that people are saying "There is no proof." Fake stats are not the problem, it's the outcome of games. Fans may be betting on a player's stats more but point spreads and over/unders are still bet on and winning and losing ultimately gets players paid more. Recent discussions about the next face of the league all centered around 1 thing: Whoever starts winning the most rings. The integrity of the game is compromised when winning and losing is not legit.
    And scorekeepers have been faking stats for years now. It happens today. Literally watched Lebron throw a pass to AD, AD took 4 dribbles as he backed down in the post, he faked left went right, then shot a fade away jumper. Lebron was given the assist. NBA rules state an assist leads directly to a basket. This AD/Lebron example is not an assist but they gave Lebron one regardless. And they've been doing it for a long time. Lebron's assist stats might be the fakest stat in all of sports.

  • @leost152
    @leost152 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The same scam happen late 50's in the NHL when the second assist on a goal was implemented to prevent Maurice Richard to win the scorer on the year.

  • @rjjohnson2
    @rjjohnson2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ironically, Rudy’s gesture cost them the game because of the tech he got for it whereby effecting the betting results