I much prefer the lightsaber fights of the prequels vs the lightsaber fights of the disney sequel trilogy, even if the prequels were a bit too dance-like. what do you think?
I'm personally not a huge fan of it, for the same reason I'm not a fan of melee combat in something like Warframe. When you add too much twirling and fast, complex motion, what you create is "visual noise". I can see people flailing like ragdolls, but I don't have the perception bandwidth to actually parse out what they're doing beyond that.
@@MrVoland44nah cuz in the origional trilogy they actually used sword techniques and forms they use lightsabers like glorified baseball bats in the sequels and every other Disney produced starwars
Why does nobody get this? In the prequels, the Jedi were at the height of their powers. We saw Jedi who lived almost their own lives living and training in the temple with other master swordsmen and women. In the original trilogy, Luke got a little training from Obi Wan and MAY have gotten a little more from Yoda, and the only person he fought with another lightsaber was Vader, who had to invent a new style to deal with the fact that he was half machine. And it's the same in the sequel trilogy- Kylo Ren has training, but he's wielding a lightsaber that's been moded and is dangerously unstable. Rey can fight with a staff, but we don't know what kind of training she had with swords, and Luke sure as hell wasn't training her. So she doesn't have the skill the old Jedi had. And frankly, it wouldn't make sense for her to have the same kind of highly choreographed fights like the ones we saw in the Prequels.
The speed and power behind them were really good. A bit too choreographed in some areas (I thought) but I understand the in-lore explanation that it was due to their high level of training.
But it's so obvious that it is just a choreography. Back in the old OT days where it really looked like a duel and not choreography, that was more realistic.
To me, there are a lot of times in the prequels it just looks too choreographed, like they're aiming to hit each other's swords instead of each other. People criticize the sequels, but I like the way Rey and Kylo Ren put some heft into some blows, and they're also not meant to fight at the speeds of Anakin and Obi-Wan at the prime of Jedi training.
@@CrooN19 because it was just 2 guys whacking away at each other... prequels is like actual trained jedi/sith expecting each others moves because the force n shit innit
It's the attention to details that both Ewan McGregor, and Hayden Christensen put into their final duel on Revenge, that made it one of the best, not only Lightsaber duels in the ENTIRE series, but one of the greatest cinematic duels of all time! And fight me if you want.🧐 I'm no big Disney fan, but their duel at the end of the Kenobi series was fairly good as well.
Every childhood lightsaber fight I ever had featured at least one kid getting hit in the hand and needing a minute to compose themself. The good old days when pretty much every kid in my neighborhood had one of the toy lightsabers that had a fully retractable blade with the belt clip, I think they were less than $10 and if you saw kids fighting with them in the neighborhood you grabbed yours and joined them.
We made those types of lightsabers at Disney World. I told my kids they're not inside toys. FYI, packing tape works the best when you split one of the tubes.
@@the1onesquirrel9 I know the Rubies ones were really flimsy but Hasbro made some sturdier ones from Attack of the Clones to after RotS I still have mine.
I think that the "dance-like" aspect is actually a benefit to the story. You have to remember that there is an entire other layer to a lightsaber fight BEYOND that of a sword fight. The Force is supposed to be flowing through the fighters, guiding their strikes and parries. This means that when a sword fighter would have to be more reserved in his defense, the Jedi KNOWS where the strike will come from and only has to defend at that point. This means that the fighting SHOULD look fluid, "dance-like", and Choreographed because in the story it almost IS!
I always thought it was interesting for Anakin to stumble across Palpatine, in a theater watching Aliens perform some sort of dance 'routine,' right before shit hits the fan in the finale of the 3rd prequel. We see a dance performed enjoyed by sheev then right afterwards multiple real fights break out all over the place. I thought it was always interesting...more so than the story he tells anakin to push his feather over the crest and join good Ole palps to police his empire lmao. 😅
Their dedication to the choreography is insane! I really hope the upcoming Ahsoka S2 will have them 'actually' dueling again, not with the new lamp style where everyone's too afraid to break it to fully swing it.
Nice comment but that's actually not true. The hilt refers to entire bottom portion of a sword pommel, grip, and guard/quillions. Ewans desingnation of "Hilt" is much better than "crossguard" Considering that most of the Swordplay depicted in the "old days" of cinma and theater, was rapier and saber sword fights where the entire hilt of the sword protects your hand. Very many sabers and rapiers dont even have crossguards.
Hand guards on swords are definitely a beneficial addition. I wonder if there are any canon sabers with hand guards? (Kylo Ren’s doesn’t count obviously)
The reason lightsabers don't have hilts if I remember the lore correctly is because they magnetically lock together when struck, so you can't slide down.
Too bad hilts can't be built on the saber, just to edit them out. I guess Adam Driver's lucky af, his Crossguard saber was the first(in live action) to have a hilt
The prequel fights were good, but I do prefer the OT fights. I think flashy fighting can look good, but some times a reason for it does need to be justifyed, I wouldn't say in everything but in some things I feel it does, and Star Wars is one of those things that needs the justification to me. The weight of the fights are much more prominent in the OT as they are actually trying to aim for each other, compared to just doing what is kind of the equviliant of playing with swords as a child against your friends, not trying to hurt each other, except it is much more professional and flashy. Which is one reason I enjoy the Disney fights. Of course, they aren't perfect, and still contain a lot of pointless moves, but they do hold weight in the fight, however I believe that comes down to how they move rather than the way they fight, such as slower swings. The prequels do just come off a little light when it comes to the weight of their fight scenes, just because everyone isn't trying to hit each other until the script calls for: "right and then he hits him". A part of me would like to see a story in Star Wars where we see a professional in universe swordsman absolutely wreck a Jedi in sword vs lightsaber combat purely due to the Jedi and Sith's, to be quite honest, ridiculous training for fighting with lightsabers.
Actually if you watch some scene by scene breakdowns of the moves by professionals, the prequels hold up surprisingly well in most places, and the sequels choreography is a complete mess. Obviously no one is going to sword fight like they do in the prequels, but we also don't have super human reflexes and precognition. And then in the sequels they just swing their sabers like baseball bats.
Thats actualy so dumb that they don't have hilts no that o think about it. Kylo Ren was onto something with that lightsaber design. A hilt i really important to have, force or not, one slip of the blade could cost you your hand. And in the case of an actual lightsaber - your whole arm.
Or do like Ahsoka and don’t learn how to fight at all - just make it look slow and hokey and hope everyone is focused on the key jingling instead of what’s actually on screen
@TheDeathmail Incorrect. That's like saying the handle would stop a lightsaber because there's energy going through it. Nope. It just gets cut in half as we've seen. But even if you were right (and you're not), the fact that the hilt is intact means not once did it ever block anything. So useless either way.
@jesserror4859 Yes for swords. But lightsabers are a jedi's weapon. They must be skilled enough to master using it in Combat. That's the whole point of it being a special weapon. 🤦♂️
Alright hot take everybody! Rank from each trilogy from 1-3 in regards to lightsaber duels and why you chose their ranking! Here’s mine 1.Prequels for emotion and actual fast paced action 2.Original Trilogy for their emotion and growth of Luke’s skill with Lightsaber and Obi Wan and Darth Vader debuting the first ever lightsaber fight. Plus the emotions in the fights with Luke, Obi Wan, and Vader shows the emotions in each strike as well as Luke refusing to fight his own father in front of the emperor. 3.Sequel Trilogy had the overall weakest fights as there was very poor choreography (the Snoke room fight scene was just awful) as well as Rey just having the skill to wield a lightsaber against Kylo Ren with no training with a lightsaber. Finn and Kylo Ren was imo the strongest fight in the sequel trilogy next to Force Vision Luke and Kylo Ren in The Last Jedi. If you watch the fight scenes in slo mo there’s almost no choreography at all aside from swing them at each other it felt like. But everybody is entitled to their own opinions! I’m eager to see everybody’s rankings and how similar and what reasons for their rankings are!
That's not a hot take. You literally have the most common and least controversial opinion in the Star Wars fanbase. A hot take would be if you strolled here saying the sequels have the best lightsaber fights.
the 'hottest' part about your take is that you even bothered to include the sequel trilogy, the lightsaber fights in those movies were just another thing to add to the very long list of stuff that went wrong with the sequel trilogy.
@@Dangeresque486 well thank you for thinking that, I don’t even really type “hot takes” ever so I know some people would possibly get upset at me lowering the OG trilogy under the prequel trilogy as well as even including the sequel trilogy at all
@@CB-THE-OG I'm probably the one with the true hot take. I honestly think the sequels duels are easily the best. They are gritty, dirty, chaotic and look the most realistic. While I respect the level of training the actors went through for the prequel duels I can't stand them. They look like a bunch of cg space ninjas in some sort of awkward over rehearsed ballet rather than people legitimately trying to kill each other. The OT I would put in second by just a hair because the modern FX just look so much better though they are similar to the sequels. Ok bring on the hate
i think these choreographies are super lame. because it looks like, a lot of the time, they are just trying to do spins and as many parries per minute as possible, so they are both trying to make the sword touch in a specific place. Where in reality, one person should be trying to touch the others persons body with all their ability, and the other person should be avoiding it with all their ability. So there shouldn't be any weird and stupid overhead patty cakes. They should be lunging, smashing as hard as possible, bating each other into tricks, knocking each other off balance.
I much prefer the lightsaber fights of the prequels vs the lightsaber fights of the disney sequel trilogy, even if the prequels were a bit too dance-like. what do you think?
i think you should be honest and call original trilogy fights as well, cus fights in sequel trilogy is tribute to fights in original trilogy.
@@MrVoland44 They aren't tributes. The original trilogy wasn't nonsensical and clumsy. Not flashy chorography isn't the same as bad choreography.
I'm personally not a huge fan of it, for the same reason I'm not a fan of melee combat in something like Warframe. When you add too much twirling and fast, complex motion, what you create is "visual noise". I can see people flailing like ragdolls, but I don't have the perception bandwidth to actually parse out what they're doing beyond that.
@@MrVoland44nah cuz in the origional trilogy they actually used sword techniques and forms they use lightsabers like glorified baseball bats in the sequels and every other Disney produced starwars
Why does nobody get this? In the prequels, the Jedi were at the height of their powers. We saw Jedi who lived almost their own lives living and training in the temple with other master swordsmen and women. In the original trilogy, Luke got a little training from Obi Wan and MAY have gotten a little more from Yoda, and the only person he fought with another lightsaber was Vader, who had to invent a new style to deal with the fact that he was half machine. And it's the same in the sequel trilogy- Kylo Ren has training, but he's wielding a lightsaber that's been moded and is dangerously unstable. Rey can fight with a staff, but we don't know what kind of training she had with swords, and Luke sure as hell wasn't training her. So she doesn't have the skill the old Jedi had. And frankly, it wouldn't make sense for her to have the same kind of highly choreographed fights like the ones we saw in the Prequels.
Yep, and the speed they did it was so good.
The speed and power behind them were really good. A bit too choreographed in some areas (I thought) but I understand the in-lore explanation that it was due to their high level of training.
But it's so obvious that it is just a choreography. Back in the old OT days where it really looked like a duel and not choreography, that was more realistic.
To me, there are a lot of times in the prequels it just looks too choreographed, like they're aiming to hit each other's swords instead of each other.
People criticize the sequels, but I like the way Rey and Kylo Ren put some heft into some blows, and they're also not meant to fight at the speeds of Anakin and Obi-Wan at the prime of Jedi training.
EP1,2,3 have amazing fighting scenes. Its clearly choreographed but its amazing how they portay it
@@CrooN19 because it was just 2 guys whacking away at each other... prequels is like actual trained jedi/sith expecting each others moves because the force n shit innit
Every star wars child knows the pain
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Only difference is we used plastic ones not metal
@@Cyrus_Ark damn bro, you rich or something? We used sticks.
It's the attention to details that both Ewan McGregor, and Hayden Christensen put into their final duel on Revenge, that made it one of the best, not only Lightsaber duels in the ENTIRE series, but one of the greatest cinematic duels of all time! And fight me if you want.🧐 I'm no big Disney fan, but their duel at the end of the Kenobi series was fairly good as well.
Real star wars:👍
Disney Star wars:👎
I completely agree! Those finale duels are my favorites by far!
It's a great scene. Played by fantastic actors. But it's not even the best duel in the series. Maul scene was on another level.
@@bigjimtenbillion so do I give you a like or not? If I like it am I agreeing thumbs up? I guess I should dislike.
@@gordonlove5121 real star wars gets the thumbs up, the crap from Disney gets a thumbs down
I love that the scene they use for sword fighting is from The Princess Bride!
I watched a lot of training videos from the precuels. Liam Neeson wasn´t much into it, but McGregor and Christensen took it really seriously!
Every childhood lightsaber fight I ever had featured at least one kid getting hit in the hand and needing a minute to compose themself. The good old days when pretty much every kid in my neighborhood had one of the toy lightsabers that had a fully retractable blade with the belt clip, I think they were less than $10 and if you saw kids fighting with them in the neighborhood you grabbed yours and joined them.
Getting hit in the finger nails
We made those types of lightsabers at Disney World. I told my kids they're not inside toys. FYI, packing tape works the best when you split one of the tubes.
huh. I dont have many memories with them because they never lasted very long lol... good times though.
@@the1onesquirrel9 I know the Rubies ones were really flimsy but Hasbro made some sturdier ones from Attack of the Clones to after RotS I still have mine.
I can in fact confirm that those sabers hurt like hell. Nearly broke me friends finger
Ok billy
Same here, we would fight in my backyard at 10 at night beating each other with metal poles lmao
I think that the "dance-like" aspect is actually a benefit to the story. You have to remember that there is an entire other layer to a lightsaber fight BEYOND that of a sword fight. The Force is supposed to be flowing through the fighters, guiding their strikes and parries. This means that when a sword fighter would have to be more reserved in his defense, the Jedi KNOWS where the strike will come from and only has to defend at that point. This means that the fighting SHOULD look fluid, "dance-like", and Choreographed because in the story it almost IS!
I always thought it was interesting for Anakin to stumble across Palpatine, in a theater watching Aliens perform some sort of dance 'routine,' right before shit hits the fan in the finale of the 3rd prequel. We see a dance performed enjoyed by sheev then right afterwards multiple real fights break out all over the place. I thought it was always interesting...more so than the story he tells anakin to push his feather over the crest and join good Ole palps to police his empire lmao. 😅
Three Jedi actors huddling in "THE," corner because there knuckles are bruised to hell pretending it's fine
at a certsin point of training with show lightsabers, you develop knuckle protection techniques and use the leverage of a partial slide for an opening
The Episode 3 fight scenes remind me of Circassian sword dances
Can you give the link to the full interview please?
Their dedication to the choreography is insane! I really hope the upcoming Ahsoka S2 will have them 'actually' dueling again, not with the new lamp style where everyone's too afraid to break it to fully swing it.
Slight correction ewan, swords have crossguards, the hilt is just the part the blade attaches to
Nice comment but that's actually not true. The hilt refers to entire bottom portion of a sword pommel, grip, and guard/quillions. Ewans desingnation of "Hilt" is much better than "crossguard" Considering that most of the Swordplay depicted in the "old days" of cinma and theater, was rapier and saber sword fights where the entire hilt of the sword protects your hand. Very many sabers and rapiers dont even have crossguards.
Cross guards weren't the only type of sword guard. There were also Tsubas, Clamshells, Cup hilts, etc...
Hand guards on swords are definitely a beneficial addition. I wonder if there are any canon sabers with hand guards? (Kylo Ren’s doesn’t count obviously)
Light sabers with cross guards madness ......lol 😂
😂 😂
Kylo ren: am i a joke to you?
@@CreepyConnorthere was another one in Legends with an actual metal crossguard, Lord Corvax I think
I did hema in the days before it was called hema. Bloody knuckles were just part of the busines.
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
😂 😂 CALM DOWN KI-ADI!!!!
It's brilliant ❤
The commitment definitely paid off though
Kylo Ren: And they called me a mad man
😂 😂
The reason lightsabers don't have hilts if I remember the lore correctly is because they magnetically lock together when struck, so you can't slide down.
Too bad hilts can't be built on the saber, just to edit them out. I guess Adam Driver's lucky af, his Crossguard saber was the first(in live action) to have a hilt
Anyone remember the outtake where he Hayden in the nuts with his lightsaber on accident?
Choreography is dancing.
The prequel fights were good, but I do prefer the OT fights. I think flashy fighting can look good, but some times a reason for it does need to be justifyed, I wouldn't say in everything but in some things I feel it does, and Star Wars is one of those things that needs the justification to me. The weight of the fights are much more prominent in the OT as they are actually trying to aim for each other, compared to just doing what is kind of the equviliant of playing with swords as a child against your friends, not trying to hurt each other, except it is much more professional and flashy. Which is one reason I enjoy the Disney fights. Of course, they aren't perfect, and still contain a lot of pointless moves, but they do hold weight in the fight, however I believe that comes down to how they move rather than the way they fight, such as slower swings. The prequels do just come off a little light when it comes to the weight of their fight scenes, just because everyone isn't trying to hit each other until the script calls for: "right and then he hits him". A part of me would like to see a story in Star Wars where we see a professional in universe swordsman absolutely wreck a Jedi in sword vs lightsaber combat purely due to the Jedi and Sith's, to be quite honest, ridiculous training for fighting with lightsabers.
Actually if you watch some scene by scene breakdowns of the moves by professionals, the prequels hold up surprisingly well in most places, and the sequels choreography is a complete mess. Obviously no one is going to sword fight like they do in the prequels, but we also don't have super human reflexes and precognition. And then in the sequels they just swing their sabers like baseball bats.
understand that with a real sword in this man's hands, same for hayden, he is deadly💀
Why he don't wear knuckle protection
Wow it's Obi-Wan Kenobi 😊
Blades actually bined they don't slide down like that
lightsabers have crossguards now tho 👀
Ezra Bridger´s first lightsaber had a guard too...
Back when they were good 😢
Thats actualy so dumb that they don't have hilts no that o think about it. Kylo Ren was onto something with that lightsaber design. A hilt i really important to have, force or not, one slip of the blade could cost you your hand. And in the case of an actual lightsaber - your whole arm.
It literally happened to Luke and Anakin.
They have hilt, your talking about crossguards.
Its supposed to be a fight, not a dance
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Pretty silly stuff, I agree.
Yeah Disney! Lightsabers don’t need cross guards!
why didn't they just use green or blue hilts? XD
Or do like Ahsoka and don’t learn how to fight at all - just make it look slow and hokey and hope everyone is focused on the key jingling instead of what’s actually on screen
Oh please... wtf?
and ppl called hilt for Ben's lightsaber is silly idea...
One of the only things from those movies that isn't dumb
It's really dumb. The lightsaber would cut through it since the hilt isn't the saber
@@GottenGood There is still energy going through it.... so it'd still stop it...
@TheDeathmail Incorrect. That's like saying the handle would stop a lightsaber because there's energy going through it. Nope. It just gets cut in half as we've seen.
But even if you were right (and you're not), the fact that the hilt is intact means not once did it ever block anything. So useless either way.
@ The hilt is the lightsaber. It's a force field containing plasma.
Obiwan just discedited the bullshit cross guard Disney made
From 0:18 onwards he literally explains why it would have been better to have a cross guard/ hilt.
@jesserror4859
Yes for swords.
But lightsabers are a jedi's weapon.
They must be skilled enough to master using it in Combat.
That's the whole point of it being a special weapon.
🤦♂️
Go in the corner have some moo juice
These guys made Star Wars lightsabers fight spectacular and interesting to watch, before was a crap and after them even more
lmao he is like an idiot savant. Super skilled with swords, but has no clue what a freaking hilt is.
Back when there was actually an art to lightsaber fighting in Star Wars. Before the dark times
Thats why the prequel fights were so good.
Ewan really is trying to not get hurt :D
Alright hot take everybody! Rank from each trilogy from 1-3 in regards to lightsaber duels and why you chose their ranking! Here’s mine
1.Prequels for emotion and actual fast paced action
2.Original Trilogy for their emotion and growth of Luke’s skill with Lightsaber and Obi Wan and Darth Vader debuting the first ever lightsaber fight. Plus the emotions in the fights with Luke, Obi Wan, and Vader shows the emotions in each strike as well as Luke refusing to fight his own father in front of the emperor.
3.Sequel Trilogy had the overall weakest fights as there was very poor choreography (the Snoke room fight scene was just awful) as well as Rey just having the skill to wield a lightsaber against Kylo Ren with no training with a lightsaber. Finn and Kylo Ren was imo the strongest fight in the sequel trilogy next to Force Vision Luke and Kylo Ren in The Last Jedi. If you watch the fight scenes in slo mo there’s almost no choreography at all aside from swing them at each other it felt like. But everybody is entitled to their own opinions! I’m eager to see everybody’s rankings and how similar and what reasons for their rankings are!
That's not a hot take. You literally have the most common and least controversial opinion in the Star Wars fanbase.
A hot take would be if you strolled here saying the sequels have the best lightsaber fights.
the 'hottest' part about your take is that you even bothered to include the sequel trilogy, the lightsaber fights in those movies were just another thing to add to the very long list of stuff that went wrong with the sequel trilogy.
@@PolBlanesCebrian yeah that’s a valid point sorry I’m not used to making hot take comments
@@Dangeresque486 well thank you for thinking that, I don’t even really type “hot takes” ever so I know some people would possibly get upset at me lowering the OG trilogy under the prequel trilogy as well as even including the sequel trilogy at all
@@CB-THE-OG I'm probably the one with the true hot take. I honestly think the sequels duels are easily the best. They are gritty, dirty, chaotic and look the most realistic.
While I respect the level of training the actors went through for the prequel duels I can't stand them. They look like a bunch of cg space ninjas in some sort of awkward over rehearsed ballet rather than people legitimately trying to kill each other.
The OT I would put in second by just a hair because the modern FX just look so much better though they are similar to the sequels. Ok bring on the hate
i think these choreographies are super lame. because it looks like, a lot of the time, they are just trying to do spins and as many parries per minute as possible, so they are both trying to make the sword touch in a specific place. Where in reality, one person should be trying to touch the others persons body with all their ability, and the other person should be avoiding it with all their ability. So there shouldn't be any weird and stupid overhead patty cakes. They should be lunging, smashing as hard as possible, bating each other into tricks, knocking each other off balance.
Too bad he didn't spend as much time as learning the role of Ben Kenobi. He might not have sucked so much.