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- Clip from the episode "In This White House" (2000) of "The West Wing"--FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES: I'm making these clips available to give my students a historical sense of the difficulties that mass ARV treatment programs in Africa were imagined to pose.
“They’re not dying from eye infections, Alan.”
My comment at the top of the page.
“Well they’re not dying because of me either, Toby. And I’d like not to be spoken to this way.”
Len Cariou was brilliant in this small role.
The translator giving a very underrated performance.
You can tell he wants to kill that guy.
Yeah he does a great job in this scene
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I feel like this is very relevant to the recent ebola issue.
My comment at the top of the page.
And now too
I've made a couple of comments in other TWW videos about how many pages of great arguments I could print on paper if I actually sat down and did so.
Even using "simple statements and their rebuttal" I could probably make 5 or 6 entries from just this one scene here.
Henry Reagan on Blue Bloods.
I didn't realize he appeared on
The West Wing.
I feel like it's not that difficult to add an attrition factor by supposing a certain number die every day/week/month. At the very least you could have a sensitivity analysis.
My comment at the top of the page.
*SIIIIIRRRRRR*
2:12 sums up this ENTIRE video. Not much goes beyond that one simple point
My comment at the top of the page.
2:26 ..........130,000 patients x 3 pills a day for 1 year...........
130,000 x 3 = 390,000 pills a DAY.
$1 per pill = $390,000 a day spread across 130,000 people.
$390,000 a DAY x 365 days = $142,350,000 a YEAR.
Chump change. We could tax Bezos’ fortune alone and not break a sweat.
Peanuts in the west.
it s 10 pills a day , not one . that would make it $1,423,500,000 a year . Life expectancy of Africa is 63. so $89,680,500,000 is the number u are looking for . This number will go up every year bc the number of new infections will go up , regardless of medication availability .
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Call it a hunch, but I'm willing to bet President Nimbala is speaking Amharic.
How is it possible he is speaking in a different language with a translator helping the others, yet he understands their responses in English with no translation?
It's not uncommon for people to understand a language (for example, English) but not speak it very well or efficiently. Instead of trying to fully express themselves in a language they aren't familiar or comfortable with, they'll talk to their translator in their native language so that they CAN fully express themselves, and the translator will, well, translate that full expression into something that English speakers would understand.
+Brett Crane
Sometimes there'll be scenes in TV and movies where all parties start speaking in a foreign language and then in the middle of the conversation they slip over into the tongue of the majority of the people that are watching that program.
It just goes to demonstrate that the characters don't speak every language possible at all times. They start the conversation in one language and then switch over to another language...............................it just saves time for the studio and makes it unnecessary for there to be any translations at the bottom of the screen.
Studios do this to show the diversity of languages that can be spoken in "staged" productions without having to go through the whole scene with translations and stuff.
+Brett Crane It looks like President Nimbala has a basic command of English (notice at the beginning how he scolds the executive for interrupting him in perfect English) so he likely understands the responses well. The translator is there likely for convenience so Nimbala can express himself in his mother tongue to be sure he gets his message across in a language he's most comfortable with. You can also hear the translator speaking in Nimbala's language (albeit softly) whenever the Executives are speaking to him.
It's called active and passive language skills. Basically, understanding a language and constructing a sentence in it are two different operations in the brain. You can be skilled in one but not in the other.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_speaker_(language)
@@ZheToralf That's correct. I cannot speak much Norwegian, but I am capable of following simple conversations, because I have far more experience listening to a language I do not know, than practice speaking that same language. In much the same way people have more experience driving their car forwards rather than backwards, and parking in reverse is a problem for those people.
Like he had much to lose...drug companies don't like bad PR either...
Drug companies are publicly held institutions, and even implications price of gouging and racism against third-world nations isn't just bad pr, it's the kind of thing that could cost them more that their next quarter's profit...
He doesn't have to business with these people... but it's funny how government agencies can approve who ELSE this company can do business with internationally...
Love that you use the word "funny". Cause it really isn't.
Definitely the bleakest episode of The West Wing.
It just says there is absolutely no hope for Africa.
Actually some countries are progressing well enough, is just when you treat Africas as a country instead of a continent it would.look that way.
There you go, born in America you have constitution right to get a weapon, but not a constitutional right to get care you need to stay alive.
This is a nice sounding, but ultimately false comparison. Americans don't have a constitutional right to have guns. There are no government agencies obligated to give all American citizens weapons. A person's access to guns is limited by the same thing as their access to medication: money. It just so happens that the former is often more affordable than the latter.
@TurinTurambar200 well you have entered into a different view of the 2nd admendant. I see you smuggled in government, giving a weapon vs. someone being able to get one. Well played.
you have the constitutional right to get health care, you just can't force the government to pay for it -- just like you have a constitutional right to a gun but you have to buy it yourself -- dumbass
Oh, good show, President Nimbala. Take an aggressive stance toward the foreign drug companies you have absolutely zero control over or influence with and demand hand-outs. That'll definitely work!
Nimbala didn't want hand-outs. He just wanted to know why the same drug that costs $10 in Norway costs $23 in his country, particularly given that to a Norwegian, $10 is maybe an hour or two of work (assuming minimum wage job with a pay rate between $5-$10/hr), whereas for a Kundunese, $10 represents around a week of work in a middle-class job (it is specifically brought up that a Kundunese police officer makes $43/month).
He didn't want a hand out, he simply wanted the same price as was being offered to the white man in Norway.
Why doesn't Josh pay for the free drugs? Why should they get the drugs for free, while people in Norway should pay for them?
You don't pay very close attention, do you? First of all, Josh was asking how much would it cost the companies- not saying they had to do it. Also, Norway pays substantially less for the drugs- both in actual money and, to a far greater extent, in the percentage of annual income.
You're not very intelligent, are you?
The context was "they should give it to them for free" (rewatch the episode). That's the point Josh was trying to make by asking that question.
It's a human aid issue they're dying exponentially more than Norway so they're trying to help them by coming to an agreement on how to provide the Kenyan people with free medicine for HIV
In this context Norwegians aren't dying in immense numbers
I'm assuming they're not 100% free and there will be some incentive or trade off to do so
@@dhdyr7238hdfh - Again: Norwegians should pay for what others should get for free? Because fuck Norway?
That's basically what this whole thing boils down to. Well, that and the point "This needs to be taken at specific times, every day, or it won't work anyway".
@@Mark-xh8md Yes, Norway should pay for what African countries who cannot pay. It's humanitarian aid. There's other things you can do, but the rich should pay more than the poor. It's right, it's moral, it's just. It's why people give to charity and why we supply aid. It's why we should focus and spend more money on poor students than rich ones. So yeah, if fuck Norway be the reason why Norway should pay, then fuck Norway.