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You people are idiots. They do own wristwatches. They can tell time. Toby is being facetious in order to call out the dim view the pharmaceutical exec has of Africans.

Ugh.... Toby is so annoying & overly emotional. He takes everything so personal....

boom.........reality hits...

The naivety of toby & josh. It costs more to ship things to dangerous unstable areas even in Europe. Take sending something to France vs sending something to Ukraine even Poland which is stable & generally without conflict is all fine & dandy but once you get the item into Ukraine or France it's two different stories let alone if your "government" is barely hanging onto power. I agree pills of any type shouldn't cost 10 each in any country let alone in poorer ones & especially when it's literally life saving pills like heart medication verse Viagra or something but come back to reality. And as they point out HIV/AID medication is at least in the time of the show a combination of pills that need to be take several times a day for the rest of the patient's life. Aids/HIV still isn't curable. I'm happy to pay 20 a pill especially for something not lifesaving but only life improving so that somewhere else in more need it can be sold cheaper & more priority then where I am but unfortunately there's lots of factors along the way to both places & most if not all aren't controlled by the big bad corporations. Who by way probably help provide jobs to the very people trying to buy the drugs. Unfortunately in reality it's not as easy as toby wants to think or make it.

lol considering you can't especially back when this was filmed cure aids or HIV be it white or black or purple it doesn't really matter. People though really do over look things in pricing to fit their narratives & I don't believe either the evil corporate guys were directly implying that the president was corrupt or that he knew who in his government or country were. They are just pointing out that there usually higher international taxes on things in Africa or south America then say Europe or the Middle east. Any that's usually because of special unofficial taxes or bribes etc and that's not a black or white thing it's a government stability thing & security thing. I promise you that shipping something to France is cheaper then shipping something to Ukraine particularly now while it's in a war for survival just as this president may feel he is in at this moment yet aids & hiv are not gun fights & bombings in the same way. Also good at getting emotions though. I'm by no ways supporting the evil corporations just stating reality & facts. BTW I'm sure shipping anything to Nigeria or South Africa is cheaper then shipping things to Sudan or South Sudan & all these countries are majority & controlled by non whites. So if there's a price difference between Nigeria which isn't a real stable country but has a government & around 90%+ non white population, while even less stable in a war sudan with its similar factors is probably more expensive. Because there's a war & pirates & terrorists affecting shipping increasing costs & risks across the board.

his country would be better off if he just let all the hiv infected die -- stop wasting money on them

Richard Schiff is an absolute beast. Pure brilliance.

As someone who worked in a health clinic in a 3rd world country... yeah pretty much anything except an injection or one off pill isnt going to work.

"Are you implying endemic corruption and incompetence?" "We've gotten reports of that sir" Poverty and corruption shouldn't be shameful or offensive discussions in any policy debate. They're obstacles, factors that need to be considered by any reasonable decisionmaker and stakeholder. Solutions should take this into account: instead of giving millions if not billions for the drugs themselves, perhaps a more impactful, feasible, solution could arise through fighting corruption and improving the source of the problem such as education or infrastructure. You need to be able to discuss it all freely of course, which I think this clip showcased

Toby’s neglecting the cost of developing all the drugs that _don’t_ get approved. The companies’ revenue has to cover all those drugs as well.

The things the world has to do (for REAL) to put lives over profit is all wrapped up in this series of meetings. This is so close to reality it's scary.

The scene is nonsense. You don't ask corporations to give away/massively discount, INCREDIBLY expensive products to develop. Though, I am certain, many of you idiots reading this, strongly disagree. If Bartlett is SOOO desperate for these people to get these drugs? Then he should either go to Congress or go to the American people and ask them to fork over money to buy the drugs for these people. And if they refuse. That is that. Going to the corporations and saying 'give us stuff' is passing the buck...pure and simple. These corporations spent 's' loads of money to develop these drugs. If they think that the government can just force them to give/massively discount their products...whenever they feel like it? Then guess what losers? Those corporations will stop developing the drugs...or ANY drugs in these areas. As it will not be worth it to them any longer. And then where will you idiots be when you truly need a new drug? Governments should never, EVER get involved in businesses or economies (outside of war). Because when they do? They always. And I mean ALWAYS...screw IT UP!!! ☮

There you go, born in America you have constitution right to get a weapon, but not a constitutional right to get care you need to stay alive.

So the Bartlett Administration uses the threat of trade sanctions against a poor country so they can funnel $1 billion to Big Pharma transferring foreign loan balances onto the American people while avoiding Congressional approval using fiscal sleight of hand. Sounds very anti-democratic.

"I swear to God he would" by Toby brings me to tears. It speaks so much to Toby's character, the president character. Two real men having deep respect for each other

THIS IS WHAT A TRUE LEADER SHOULD BE LIKE, fighting for the good of his people, not the other way around.

Him staring at the rain like "I wish we had this"

They can’t throw in a $2 Hello Kitty watch with the pills?

The bleakest episode of The West Wing. The only episode that says there’s no hope. Like something David Fincher would make.

Definitely the bleakest episode of The West Wing. It just says there is absolutely no hope for Africa.

What many of you watching this clip miss is that the way this ends is that the democrats - and even the writers - who are democrats - CONCLUDE - This is the CONCLUSION of this storyline. The conclusion of the writers. The conclusion of the ACTUAL democrats in office - even today. This is why republicans say that the dems are the racist ones. If you don't believe that - search for the conclusion of this scene - which represents both the democrats who write the show - which mirror the sentiments of the democrats in office. The REASON it is wasteful to send drugs to these countries is because the drug regiment requires precise dosages at regular intervals. It would be a waste to give these countries free drugs because they are black........and ergo - don't know how to tell time. This is real. This is real in the show, and it is a reflection of the policy of democrats at the time - whose policies inspired the writing on this show. Black people don't know how to tell time. Ask yourself - which ones are the racists?

When a man, a leader of his nation, wants the best for his people, i would also be proud of that man.

You can tell time by the sun, I would've said.

Henry Reagan on Blue Bloods. I didn't realize he appeared on The West Wing.

A great show and great writing.

People are too hung up on wrist watches that's a TV spoon-fed version of the reality in Africa. Bad infrastructure, widespread corruption and poor education make it nearly impossible to help many of their people. In fact, the Bush Administration and many pharmaceutical companies went to great lengths to assist them, with some very beneficial results. However, in the end only the people of these nations can save themselves.

As it turns out, this “reasoning” was total nonsense (although it really was a common attitude at the time this aired). Programs like PEPFAR and The Global Fund have vastly expanded access to ART worldwide in the past 20 years and there are now millions of HIV+ people in Africa being treated. In fact, many people on therapy in Africa have proven to be *more* “compliant” when it comes to drug regimens than their US counterparts. Thankfully, HIV drugs have improved to the point where people only need to take one pill a day so all the discussion of watches is out the window anyway. P.S.: Tony Fauci was a massive part of changing all this, including challenging the notion that people in the “developing world” weren’t capable of effectively adhering to complex drug regimens

COVID shots are free to all who want them! 98% of all new COVID cases and deaths are attributed to non vaccinated men women and children because they listen to the internet propaganda

'And he came himself.' That let's know he was serious.

The obnoxious nitrogen etiologically tow because narcissus really man barring a odd route. whole, same bra

"They can't tell time! " Wow. I just don't know what to say about this racist nonsense.

I keep coming back to these four videos. It's so good. Gives an idea of the real world solutions and impact of problems being discussed in the most powerful rooms.

I'm a little depressed that the aide/translator is the same guy from George of the Jungle, and these are the two roles I've ever seen him in. He's quite a phenomenal actor.

Yes Toby, you know his father better than him, so you tell him whether or not his own father would like what he was doing. Never liked that line.

Just in case anyone is curious, that law did change. Loans like this do need congressional approval now. They are not approving such loans. Africa is still ravaged by HIV. Millions of people have died since this show aired. Millions of people who had thoughts, dreams, and families are now gone forever. Nobody really noticed and nobody really cared.

I feel a lump in my throat every time I watch this scene after I found out what happens to Nimbala in the end. He needed an olive branch, and the United States was his only hope to save a collapsing civilization. Some of his own people, deluded by the chaos, cut their only life line.

*SIIIIIRRRRRR*

Feeling the influence of the big Pharma in this scene? Sadly this is not too far from reality... imagine putting economic sanctions on a country where this man just said over 50% of his country will be infected and dead/dying..... how can Toby and Josh even speak about this so calmly? Great show...great scene....but this is soo out of character for them.

My probably stupid solution: Set up a non-profit charity that takes basic digital alarm clocks, and reprograms them so that when you hit the snooze button, it starts you off on the med timeline. When the alarm goes off, it displays a symbol that correlates to the bottle with the correct pills, with a number next to it saying how many to take. If the drug companies then lower their prices/gets government financial assistance, would that not make things... feasible?

I find African leaders or people speaking English really fascinating. I mean aside from their own national languages, hearing an African speak English is so cool. I don't know why and I hope I'm not being offensive.

The translator giving a very underrated performance. You can tell he wants to kill that guy.

Blah blah

I watched this episode and cried. His country is taken over by his generals, his brother & sons were murdered and his wife was being held captive. Bartlett offered him asylum but could not send U.S troops in. He refuses the offer of asylum andcgoes home because his familt & countrymen need him. They kill him as he gets off the plan. Such a touching episode that was splendidly written and acted. West Wing is sorely missed & I can only dream that we had a President exactly like Jed Bartlett.

Why doesn't Josh pay for the free drugs? Why should they get the drugs for free, while people in Norway should pay for them?

The fact that they don't own wristwatches is not a huge problem. All you need is one clock and a bell loud enough for people to hear so that they know when it's time to take their drugs. We've been using the church's bell in my country for centuries in cases where something important was happening. I don't see how they can't come up with something similar. Sure it's not cost free, but the cost is not by any means high especially since it would solve a series of problems.

2:26 ..........130,000 patients x 3 pills a day for 1 year........... 130,000 x 3 = 390,000 pills a DAY. $1 per pill = $390,000 a day spread across 130,000 people. $390,000 a DAY x 365 days = $142,350,000 a YEAR.

I wish this guy was still alive to be in Black Panther. He’d be perfect casting for T’Chaka.

“They’re not dying from eye infections, Alan.”

Even if they can't tell the time, I bet each village/community through out the country has a radio or a TV and each person can count to ten on their fingers and tell different colours apart. Have a public health official do daily addresses at the correct time and have the people take 2 pills from the red box now, then later in day address the country again to tell them to take 4 pills from the blue box.

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