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The West Wing: "In This White House" (2000) (4 of 4)
Clip from the episode "In This White House" (2000) of "The West Wing"--FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES: I'm making these clips available to give my students a historical sense of the difficulties that mass ARV treatment programs in Africa were imagined to pose.
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Clip from the episode "In This White House" (2000) of "The West Wing" FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES: I'm making these clips available to give my students a historical sense of the difficulties that mass ARV treatment programs in Africa were imagined to pose.
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Clip from the episode "In This White House" (2000) of "The West Wing" FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES: I'm making these clips available to give my students a historical sense of the difficulties that mass ARV treatment programs in Africa were imagined to pose.
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Clip from the episode "In This White House" (2000) of "The West Wing" FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES: I'm making these clips available to give my students a historical sense of the difficulties that mass ARV treatment programs in Africa were imagined to pose.
You people are idiots. They do own wristwatches. They can tell time. Toby is being facetious in order to call out the dim view the pharmaceutical exec has of Africans.
Ugh.... Toby is so annoying & overly emotional. He takes everything so personal....
boom.........reality hits...
The naivety of toby & josh. It costs more to ship things to dangerous unstable areas even in Europe. Take sending something to France vs sending something to Ukraine even Poland which is stable & generally without conflict is all fine & dandy but once you get the item into Ukraine or France it's two different stories let alone if your "government" is barely hanging onto power. I agree pills of any type shouldn't cost 10 each in any country let alone in poorer ones & especially when it's literally life saving pills like heart medication verse Viagra or something but come back to reality. And as they point out HIV/AID medication is at least in the time of the show a combination of pills that need to be take several times a day for the rest of the patient's life. Aids/HIV still isn't curable. I'm happy to pay 20 a pill especially for something not lifesaving but only life improving so that somewhere else in more need it can be sold cheaper & more priority then where I am but unfortunately there's lots of factors along the way to both places & most if not all aren't controlled by the big bad corporations. Who by way probably help provide jobs to the very people trying to buy the drugs. Unfortunately in reality it's not as easy as toby wants to think or make it.
lol considering you can't especially back when this was filmed cure aids or HIV be it white or black or purple it doesn't really matter. People though really do over look things in pricing to fit their narratives & I don't believe either the evil corporate guys were directly implying that the president was corrupt or that he knew who in his government or country were. They are just pointing out that there usually higher international taxes on things in Africa or south America then say Europe or the Middle east. Any that's usually because of special unofficial taxes or bribes etc and that's not a black or white thing it's a government stability thing & security thing. I promise you that shipping something to France is cheaper then shipping something to Ukraine particularly now while it's in a war for survival just as this president may feel he is in at this moment yet aids & hiv are not gun fights & bombings in the same way. Also good at getting emotions though. I'm by no ways supporting the evil corporations just stating reality & facts. BTW I'm sure shipping anything to Nigeria or South Africa is cheaper then shipping things to Sudan or South Sudan & all these countries are majority & controlled by non whites. So if there's a price difference between Nigeria which isn't a real stable country but has a government & around 90%+ non white population, while even less stable in a war sudan with its similar factors is probably more expensive. Because there's a war & pirates & terrorists affecting shipping increasing costs & risks across the board.
his country would be better off if he just let all the hiv infected die -- stop wasting money on them
Richard Schiff is an absolute beast. Pure brilliance.
As someone who worked in a health clinic in a 3rd world country... yeah pretty much anything except an injection or one off pill isnt going to work.
"Are you implying endemic corruption and incompetence?" "We've gotten reports of that sir" Poverty and corruption shouldn't be shameful or offensive discussions in any policy debate. They're obstacles, factors that need to be considered by any reasonable decisionmaker and stakeholder. Solutions should take this into account: instead of giving millions if not billions for the drugs themselves, perhaps a more impactful, feasible, solution could arise through fighting corruption and improving the source of the problem such as education or infrastructure. You need to be able to discuss it all freely of course, which I think this clip showcased
The body products resistance to HIV drugs at 80% accuracy rate . If they can't guarantee their HIV positive patients a safe and steady medication supply, we will get another worldwide HIV and AIDS epidemic.
Yeah, but this guy who was fighting corruption and his family were shot as soon as he got home from this meeting. I mean, you are right of course, but even that is easier said than done. Hell, we can't even put a real dent in corruption in Ohio or Michigan let alone Equatorial Wherever where the food won't grow.
Toby’s neglecting the cost of developing all the drugs that _don’t_ get approved. The companies’ revenue has to cover all those drugs as well.
Yeah 95% of which are developed with public funds from the NIH. Not private investment. Look it up.
Typical corporations; "we deserve to make a profit because we took the risk. Now if you'd please, Mr. Government, why haven't you paid back all my losses yet?"
The things the world has to do (for REAL) to put lives over profit is all wrapped up in this series of meetings. This is so close to reality it's scary.
The scene is nonsense. You don't ask corporations to give away/massively discount, INCREDIBLY expensive products to develop. Though, I am certain, many of you idiots reading this, strongly disagree. If Bartlett is SOOO desperate for these people to get these drugs? Then he should either go to Congress or go to the American people and ask them to fork over money to buy the drugs for these people. And if they refuse. That is that. Going to the corporations and saying 'give us stuff' is passing the buck...pure and simple. These corporations spent 's' loads of money to develop these drugs. If they think that the government can just force them to give/massively discount their products...whenever they feel like it? Then guess what losers? Those corporations will stop developing the drugs...or ANY drugs in these areas. As it will not be worth it to them any longer. And then where will you idiots be when you truly need a new drug? Governments should never, EVER get involved in businesses or economies (outside of war). Because when they do? They always. And I mean ALWAYS...screw IT UP!!! ☮
There you go, born in America you have constitution right to get a weapon, but not a constitutional right to get care you need to stay alive.
This is a nice sounding, but ultimately false comparison. Americans don't have a constitutional right to have guns. There are no government agencies obligated to give all American citizens weapons. A person's access to guns is limited by the same thing as their access to medication: money. It just so happens that the former is often more affordable than the latter.
@TurinTurambar200 well you have entered into a different view of the 2nd admendant. I see you smuggled in government, giving a weapon vs. someone being able to get one. Well played.
you have the constitutional right to get health care, you just can't force the government to pay for it -- just like you have a constitutional right to a gun but you have to buy it yourself -- dumbass
So the Bartlett Administration uses the threat of trade sanctions against a poor country so they can funnel $1 billion to Big Pharma transferring foreign loan balances onto the American people while avoiding Congressional approval using fiscal sleight of hand. Sounds very anti-democratic.
"I swear to God he would" by Toby brings me to tears. It speaks so much to Toby's character, the president character. Two real men having deep respect for each other
THIS IS WHAT A TRUE LEADER SHOULD BE LIKE, fighting for the good of his people, not the other way around.
Him staring at the rain like "I wish we had this"
They can’t throw in a $2 Hello Kitty watch with the pills?
The bleakest episode of The West Wing. The only episode that says there’s no hope. Like something David Fincher would make.
Definitely the bleakest episode of The West Wing. It just says there is absolutely no hope for Africa.
Actually some countries are progressing well enough, is just when you treat Africas as a country instead of a continent it would.look that way.
What many of you watching this clip miss is that the way this ends is that the democrats - and even the writers - who are democrats - CONCLUDE - This is the CONCLUSION of this storyline. The conclusion of the writers. The conclusion of the ACTUAL democrats in office - even today. This is why republicans say that the dems are the racist ones. If you don't believe that - search for the conclusion of this scene - which represents both the democrats who write the show - which mirror the sentiments of the democrats in office. The REASON it is wasteful to send drugs to these countries is because the drug regiment requires precise dosages at regular intervals. It would be a waste to give these countries free drugs because they are black........and ergo - don't know how to tell time. This is real. This is real in the show, and it is a reflection of the policy of democrats at the time - whose policies inspired the writing on this show. Black people don't know how to tell time. Ask yourself - which ones are the racists?
When a man, a leader of his nation, wants the best for his people, i would also be proud of that man.
You can tell time by the sun, I would've said.
Henry Reagan on Blue Bloods. I didn't realize he appeared on The West Wing.
A great show and great writing.
People are too hung up on wrist watches that's a TV spoon-fed version of the reality in Africa. Bad infrastructure, widespread corruption and poor education make it nearly impossible to help many of their people. In fact, the Bush Administration and many pharmaceutical companies went to great lengths to assist them, with some very beneficial results. However, in the end only the people of these nations can save themselves.
As it turns out, this “reasoning” was total nonsense (although it really was a common attitude at the time this aired). Programs like PEPFAR and The Global Fund have vastly expanded access to ART worldwide in the past 20 years and there are now millions of HIV+ people in Africa being treated. In fact, many people on therapy in Africa have proven to be *more* “compliant” when it comes to drug regimens than their US counterparts. Thankfully, HIV drugs have improved to the point where people only need to take one pill a day so all the discussion of watches is out the window anyway. P.S.: Tony Fauci was a massive part of changing all this, including challenging the notion that people in the “developing world” weren’t capable of effectively adhering to complex drug regimens
COVID shots are free to all who want them! 98% of all new COVID cases and deaths are attributed to non vaccinated men women and children because they listen to the internet propaganda
'And he came himself.' That let's know he was serious.
The obnoxious nitrogen etiologically tow because narcissus really man barring a odd route. whole, same bra
"They can't tell time! " Wow. I just don't know what to say about this racist nonsense.
Considering the language they’re speaking, it’s likely that he’s the president of Botswana, which at the time (over 20 years ago now!) was undergoing a crisis whereby despite economic recovery and growth in other areas, rural areas (which encompassed more than 50% of the population at the time) were becoming more impoverished. Supplying over half your nation with individual reliable timepieces is one thing, hard and costly to begin with, and may take years, but then consider that a single bump, splash of water, thief or battery issue would nullify the effects of the treatment. Toby is saying that because of these issues, the spread of the aids epidemic would only be minimally effected, not that the treatment wouldn’t be useful on a personal basis, nor that people in Botswana cannot tell the time.
It s not racism if it is fact .
@@wyattnguyen6323 factual according to whom? Casually racist liberal Hollywood morons wrote this.
@@mossy642 funny how the users of ARV on this beautiful continent adhered strictly to the treatment regime better than those in the west. Hollywood has a habit of portraying Africans as helpless.
@@munenenganga2191 maybe u should go and watch the whole ep . Their country was going through a civid war which resulted in the death of their president . What would be the point of giving them free medication and and wrist watches if they cant even protect their own life ?
I keep coming back to these four videos. It's so good. Gives an idea of the real world solutions and impact of problems being discussed in the most powerful rooms.
I'm a little depressed that the aide/translator is the same guy from George of the Jungle, and these are the two roles I've ever seen him in. He's quite a phenomenal actor.
maybe he's not local maybe he's living abroad & thus just not getting notice or recognition like he maybe deserve. I've seen him on a few tv shows though as well as the president he's aid for often playing government politicians from Africa. There's lots of people who live in the UK or Europe who are known even seen as great actors & actress who for whatever reason are selective on the "hollywood" roles they take & thus people think hardly get movies or tv jobs but are very popular in their own countries &/or a different continent. Sophie Marceau comes to mind she's known really for Braveheart with Mel Gibson & James bond the world is not enough yet she's been in more then 47 films. Most I believe "french" / European but not hollywood. Not everyone wants to be in hollywood or America.
Yes Toby, you know his father better than him, so you tell him whether or not his own father would like what he was doing. Never liked that line.
He was saying that Nimbala's willingness to seek help from the United States on behalf of his people was not an act of begging, but a courageous act to put his people ahead of his pride. And you should lighten up.
@@larrysmith2638 I understood what he meant, but the way it was phrased would insult a lot of people. If the writers wanted to convey that thought they could easily have written a better line. This way Toby comes off as incredibly arrogant and condescending.
@@ClarinoI I disagree.
He was trying to comfort him.
Just in case anyone is curious, that law did change. Loans like this do need congressional approval now. They are not approving such loans. Africa is still ravaged by HIV. Millions of people have died since this show aired. Millions of people who had thoughts, dreams, and families are now gone forever. Nobody really noticed and nobody really cared.
I feel a lump in my throat every time I watch this scene after I found out what happens to Nimbala in the end. He needed an olive branch, and the United States was his only hope to save a collapsing civilization. Some of his own people, deluded by the chaos, cut their only life line.
Welcome to USA 2020
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Feeling the influence of the big Pharma in this scene? Sadly this is not too far from reality... imagine putting economic sanctions on a country where this man just said over 50% of his country will be infected and dead/dying..... how can Toby and Josh even speak about this so calmly? Great show...great scene....but this is soo out of character for them.
Then you didn't watch very carefully. They had already criticized the drug companies. They also knew the reality of the situation, and found a way to help Nimbala. And don't forget: it's not like Nimbala's country is strategically important to the U.S. They're doing this out of a sense of fairness and a desire to help people.
One of the best parts of this show (and they didn't always succeed at this) was that they gave everyone their own points of view honestly. The drug companies didn't start AIDS, they didn't misinform the African people many of whom believed AIDS wasn't spread by sex, some of whom believed sex with a virgin cured AIDS, etc. They found the treatment and it cost them half a billion dollars. If the companies gave the drugs away for free, they would likely be smuggled and sold to other countries anyway, which creates black markets and undercuts their ability to recoup their loses in research and development (which slows the next drug). Economics is hard. You can't just look at the people with the stuff and demand they give it away.
My probably stupid solution: Set up a non-profit charity that takes basic digital alarm clocks, and reprograms them so that when you hit the snooze button, it starts you off on the med timeline. When the alarm goes off, it displays a symbol that correlates to the bottle with the correct pills, with a number next to it saying how many to take. If the drug companies then lower their prices/gets government financial assistance, would that not make things... feasible?
It would be quite a bit different now - a considerable number of Africans now have smartphones. Maybe not the latest and greatest, but regardless they ALL tell the time. Problem with time thus solved.
I find African leaders or people speaking English really fascinating. I mean aside from their own national languages, hearing an African speak English is so cool. I don't know why and I hope I'm not being offensive.
The translator giving a very underrated performance. You can tell he wants to kill that guy.
Yeah he does a great job in this scene
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I watched this episode and cried. His country is taken over by his generals, his brother & sons were murdered and his wife was being held captive. Bartlett offered him asylum but could not send U.S troops in. He refuses the offer of asylum andcgoes home because his familt & countrymen need him. They kill him as he gets off the plan. Such a touching episode that was splendidly written and acted. West Wing is sorely missed & I can only dream that we had a President exactly like Jed Bartlett.
Unfortunately it’s a realistic depiction for some parts of the world.
Why doesn't Josh pay for the free drugs? Why should they get the drugs for free, while people in Norway should pay for them?
You don't pay very close attention, do you? First of all, Josh was asking how much would it cost the companies- not saying they had to do it. Also, Norway pays substantially less for the drugs- both in actual money and, to a far greater extent, in the percentage of annual income.
You're not very intelligent, are you? The context was "they should give it to them for free" (rewatch the episode). That's the point Josh was trying to make by asking that question.
It's a human aid issue they're dying exponentially more than Norway so they're trying to help them by coming to an agreement on how to provide the Kenyan people with free medicine for HIV In this context Norwegians aren't dying in immense numbers I'm assuming they're not 100% free and there will be some incentive or trade off to do so
@@dhdyr7238hdfh - Again: Norwegians should pay for what others should get for free? Because fuck Norway? That's basically what this whole thing boils down to. Well, that and the point "This needs to be taken at specific times, every day, or it won't work anyway".
@@Mark-xh8md Yes, Norway should pay for what African countries who cannot pay. It's humanitarian aid. There's other things you can do, but the rich should pay more than the poor. It's right, it's moral, it's just. It's why people give to charity and why we supply aid. It's why we should focus and spend more money on poor students than rich ones. So yeah, if fuck Norway be the reason why Norway should pay, then fuck Norway.
The fact that they don't own wristwatches is not a huge problem. All you need is one clock and a bell loud enough for people to hear so that they know when it's time to take their drugs. We've been using the church's bell in my country for centuries in cases where something important was happening. I don't see how they can't come up with something similar. Sure it's not cost free, but the cost is not by any means high especially since it would solve a series of problems.
I think a big issue is how spread our and rural the population might be. In areas with low population density, that might not even work.
It's not like you can't tell time by the sun or anything, or if you want the best accuracy just get them a cheap wristwatch, there's cheap quartz watches out there that are accurate within 30 seconds per YEAR but only cost $10 each, you could spend a million dollars and get 100,000 watches for tribes all over Africa, and all they'd have to do is go into the city once a year to set the time.
@gro_skunk their average income is $50 a month . Waering a $10 watch is like wearing a "rob me" sign .
@@gabe2349 that's why I'm also suggesting using a bell. There's so many solutions for a problem like that. In my opinion, that was a really bad attempt to create a fake argument for the companies in order to make them like good guys that want to help but oh it's such a complicated issue. There's no right and wrong and other centrist fairytales.
@@spiros7m where do you even put a bell in certain parts of rural Africa? You realize that some places aren’t even towns or villages, it’s just people spread out all over the place?
2:26 ..........130,000 patients x 3 pills a day for 1 year........... 130,000 x 3 = 390,000 pills a DAY. $1 per pill = $390,000 a day spread across 130,000 people. $390,000 a DAY x 365 days = $142,350,000 a YEAR.
Chump change. We could tax Bezos’ fortune alone and not break a sweat.
Peanuts in the west.
it s 10 pills a day , not one . that would make it $1,423,500,000 a year . Life expectancy of Africa is 63. so $89,680,500,000 is the number u are looking for . This number will go up every year bc the number of new infections will go up , regardless of medication availability .
I wish this guy was still alive to be in Black Panther. He’d be perfect casting for T’Chaka.
“They’re not dying from eye infections, Alan.”
My comment at the top of the page.
“Well they’re not dying because of me either, Toby. And I’d like not to be spoken to this way.”
Len Cariou was brilliant in this small role.
Even if they can't tell the time, I bet each village/community through out the country has a radio or a TV and each person can count to ten on their fingers and tell different colours apart. Have a public health official do daily addresses at the correct time and have the people take 2 pills from the red box now, then later in day address the country again to tell them to take 4 pills from the blue box.
My reply to Tom Haverford above.
The time is also in the bottom right of most tv screens.
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