My Daikin heat pump has a 230 litre tank, haven’t managed to run it cold yet! But it has sensors at two different levels and you can program it to go into water heating mode automatically if the lower half of the tank is below a set point. As with you there is an immersion heater option, but only there as a backup in case of failure or can be wired to a solar energy diverter system.
Sometimes I just 🤦🏻♀️ when people ask questions like this, specifically when it’s asked sarcastically. What do people with non-combi gas boilers do when they run out of hot water? Exactly the same…
Shocking, it's EXACTLY the same as I do with my 24yr old oil boiler and thermal store. Some people seem to think heat pumps are some mystical wizardry, when infact they're based on tried and tested technology.
It's almost like the engineers knew that running out of water was a possibility, and planned a contingency 🤔. Guess that's why we have engineers designing that sorta stuff instead of doomsayers from t'interwebz...
Caveat that this is dependent upon the Heat Pump model. I have an LG ASHP and there’s no app/remote control and the ASHP control panel (which is handily in my loft) was clearly programmed by Martians. No idea how to boost the hot water on mine. In practice though this is not an issue, we heat the water during the day when there’s plenty of solar and it lasts through the night. Would be nice to have but not essential.
Hey! Wondering if you've got your additional battery yet and if so via who. I was getting giv batteries & pv from your supplier but now they've gone to the wall I'm back to square one (well it will be square one when I get my deposit back...) Any recommendations in a similar geographical location???
Andy, how much did it cost to enable that boost as it obviously isn't the heat pump supplying the hot water? May as well have an ordinary immersion heater!
@@ElectricVehicleMan oh gotcha. Sorry for my ignorance but in this situation would the HP not already be working to warm the water? Or does the boost simply up the duty cycle or something to provide knowing it’ll be used in short order?
@@ElectricVehicleMan oh that makes sense, sorry if you’ve covered that before but that’s cool it can be scheduled to take advantage of rate changes. I wonder if units sold here in North America operate similarly. I’ll have to see for when it comes time to think about a new water heater for us. Thanks again!
@@ALMX5DP since over in the US most heatpump installs are A2A, due to the similarity to traditional HVAC, the water tends in most homes to be done by a furnace to a cylinder, or just purely an immersion cylinder. This is why heat pump water heaters are becoming a thing in the US and Australia.
Having a modern house ( fully insulated with underfloor heating ) fitted with a air source heat pump from new I can assure everyone they are shite ! First one ( Danfoss) lasted 8 years and was truly awful ,second one costing £8k ( Samsung) is slightly better but they just dont work well in this country when the outside temp varies widly. Its a very gentle heat that takes ages to get the house warm ..... also two units in 15 years totalling over £20k is not economic or environmentally friendly. Hot water boost is not available on many units and uses a 7kw electric heater - oh wonderful😂 Electric bills this winter were averaging £45O-£500 per month ( no gas in the house). Once again we are moving backwards while China builds 1200 coal powered power stations in just a few years and over 2000 more planned with 5-7 years so they can generate enough electricity to build EV' to sell to the West, oh the irony. Power cuts are now inevitable and we keep pushing nore and more load onto a stretched , aging grid. If anyone believes the hype that the grid can cope with all this then god help them.
There's clearly something wrong with your install then. Oh and the hot water boost does not use my immersion heater, it's disabled. The heat pump does it.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Nothing wrong with my system ,wake up and smell the coffee . 4 houses out of six here this so called green heating system fitted in 2009 , all now been replaced with Samsung units , everyone says they are crap ,in fact most people who have them say the same . I qualified in thermodynamics and in theory they should work but in a climate where the temperature changes dramatically and regularly they are a joke - be honest for once. Not cheap to run especially with soaring electric costs , don't last long and are not very efficient ( mmm what does that remind me of ?) - don't come close to a £1500 boiler. If your boost works on the heat pump alone and you say it heats up the water in 10-15 minutes without the aid of the electric element you must have the only one like that in the world. Total fantasy world you live in my friend .....
@@paulnewman9275 Temperature changing dramatically makes no difference other than efficiency. You’ve just got a badly planned install, installed correctly doesn’t mean it’s being designed properly. 15 mins after a boost I can run the bath. Not a full tank. If you’re correct then how do other countries seem to manage? 🤔 In theory they should work? So theory is wrong? Erm no. The application was crap. Might want to contact the genius who designed it and ask for a refund. What did your heat calculations say?
@@paulnewman9275 "I qualified in thermodynamics" - Forgets Norway uses heatpumps. "Wake up and smell the coffee they dont work" - can't understand how a man literally showing how his system was designed, installed, set up and runs efficiently is any different to one some labourer threw in terribly into a new build (which normally have snagging lists longer than a roll of toilet roll) as cheaply and quickly as possible isn't as good. Do you wear the same size clothes as your missus? Or does one size NOT fit all...? The fact so many have died and run terribly on your estate says quite a lot about your estate tbh, who did it out of interest? Sounds terrible living there. My condolences.
R290 Valliant heat pumps capable of 75 degrees without resistive heating. As are most other R290 HP's. Technology is thoroughly proven and considered more reliable than a gas boiler. The prices you refer to are not accurate costs for a heat pump unit so are likely made up or refer to a additional work. Perhaps let the National Grid decide if the Grid can cope - they reckon it can and will.
This should be obvious but it gets asked pretty much every day! Plus I’ve never done a short before! 😄
Great short! Actually interesting and myth-busting. 👍🏻
My Daikin heat pump has a 230 litre tank, haven’t managed to run it cold yet! But it has sensors at two different levels and you can program it to go into water heating mode automatically if the lower half of the tank is below a set point. As with you there is an immersion heater option, but only there as a backup in case of failure or can be wired to a solar energy diverter system.
Sometimes I just 🤦🏻♀️ when people ask questions like this, specifically when it’s asked sarcastically. What do people with non-combi gas boilers do when they run out of hot water? Exactly the same…
Shocking, it's EXACTLY the same as I do with my 24yr old oil boiler and thermal store. Some people seem to think heat pumps are some mystical wizardry, when infact they're based on tried and tested technology.
It's almost like the engineers knew that running out of water was a possibility, and planned a contingency 🤔.
Guess that's why we have engineers designing that sorta stuff instead of doomsayers from t'interwebz...
Hope the video quality is ok I filmed it and have quite shaky hands 😅😂
wasn't obvious, thought it was on a tripod.
Thx
@@Alice_1411 did you get paid ? Maybe worth joining a union for better collective bargaining power 😂
@@neilm9400 I did not get paid but I obviously did amazing and definitely should 🤣
ITS ALEXANDRA
Ours, if it is in WARM WATER or HEAT PUMP mode, will just start the compresor and heat up the tank on its own.
Caveat that this is dependent upon the Heat Pump model. I have an LG ASHP and there’s no app/remote control and the ASHP control panel (which is handily in my loft) was clearly programmed by Martians. No idea how to boost the hot water on mine.
In practice though this is not an issue, we heat the water during the day when there’s plenty of solar and it lasts through the night. Would be nice to have but not essential.
Hey! Wondering if you've got your additional battery yet and if so via who.
I was getting giv batteries & pv from your supplier but now they've gone to the wall I'm back to square one (well it will be square one when I get my deposit back...) Any recommendations in a similar geographical location???
20 minutes...that is lot of time....
20 mins ? I think not my experience was it was over double that to 60c
I go to 52c, not 60.
They all have an immersion heater back up. Burns electricity like no tomorrow but you won't run out of hot water.
Mine has never being used and never will be.
Andy, how much did it cost to enable that boost as it obviously isn't the heat pump supplying the hot water? May as well have an ordinary immersion heater!
The heat pump is supplying the hot water. Immersion has been disabled from day one.
Ahhhh I did wonder myself 🎉
Or you could boil 2 gallons on the stove in 6 mins for 1/4 the cost. Phone ain’t always better 🥴
I take it the boost feature utilizes a resistive heating element within the unit?
No. Just tells the HP to start.
@@ElectricVehicleMan oh gotcha. Sorry for my ignorance but in this situation would the HP not already be working to warm the water? Or does the boost simply up the duty cycle or something to provide knowing it’ll be used in short order?
@@ALMX5DP It’s set to only fill the tank once a day (at cheap rate). It can be set to constantly keep an eye and top up but it’s a bit of a waste.
@@ElectricVehicleMan oh that makes sense, sorry if you’ve covered that before but that’s cool it can be scheduled to take advantage of rate changes. I wonder if units sold here in North America operate similarly. I’ll have to see for when it comes time to think about a new water heater for us. Thanks again!
@@ALMX5DP since over in the US most heatpump installs are A2A, due to the similarity to traditional HVAC, the water tends in most homes to be done by a furnace to a cylinder, or just purely an immersion cylinder. This is why heat pump water heaters are becoming a thing in the US and Australia.
I have Heat Pump and have never ran out of hot water.???
So instead of having a thermostat to notice you run out of hot water you have to do it manually with a freaking app? How is that a good thing?
Of course not. It refills each day.
Or you can set it to constantly top up.
Having a modern house ( fully insulated with underfloor heating ) fitted with a air source heat pump from new I can assure everyone they are shite ! First one ( Danfoss) lasted 8 years and was truly awful ,second one costing £8k ( Samsung) is slightly better but they just dont work well in this country when the outside temp varies widly. Its a very gentle heat that takes ages to get the house warm ..... also two units in 15 years totalling over £20k is not economic or environmentally friendly.
Hot water boost is not available on many units and uses a 7kw electric heater - oh wonderful😂
Electric bills this winter were averaging £45O-£500 per month ( no gas in the house). Once again we are moving backwards while China builds 1200 coal powered power stations in just a few years and over 2000 more planned with 5-7 years so they can generate enough electricity to build EV' to sell to the West, oh the irony.
Power cuts are now inevitable and we keep pushing nore and more load onto a stretched , aging grid. If anyone believes the hype that the grid can cope with all this then god help them.
There's clearly something wrong with your install then.
Oh and the hot water boost does not use my immersion heater, it's disabled. The heat pump does it.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Nothing wrong with my system ,wake up and smell the coffee . 4 houses out of six here this so called green heating system fitted in 2009 , all now been replaced with Samsung units , everyone says they are crap ,in fact most people who have them say the same . I qualified in thermodynamics and in theory they should work but in a climate where the temperature changes dramatically and regularly they are a joke - be honest for once. Not cheap to run especially with soaring electric costs , don't last long and are not very efficient ( mmm what does that remind me of ?) - don't come close to a £1500 boiler.
If your boost works on the heat pump alone and you say it heats up the water in 10-15 minutes without the aid of the electric element you must have the only one like that in the world. Total fantasy world you live in my friend .....
@@paulnewman9275 Temperature changing dramatically makes no difference other than efficiency. You’ve just got a badly planned install, installed correctly doesn’t mean it’s being designed properly.
15 mins after a boost I can run the bath. Not a full tank.
If you’re correct then how do other countries seem to manage? 🤔
In theory they should work? So theory is wrong? Erm no. The application was crap.
Might want to contact the genius who designed it and ask for a refund.
What did your heat calculations say?
@@paulnewman9275 "I qualified in thermodynamics" - Forgets Norway uses heatpumps.
"Wake up and smell the coffee they dont work" - can't understand how a man literally showing how his system was designed, installed, set up and runs efficiently is any different to one some labourer threw in terribly into a new build (which normally have snagging lists longer than a roll of toilet roll) as cheaply and quickly as possible isn't as good.
Do you wear the same size clothes as your missus? Or does one size NOT fit all...?
The fact so many have died and run terribly on your estate says quite a lot about your estate tbh, who did it out of interest? Sounds terrible living there. My condolences.
R290 Valliant heat pumps capable of 75 degrees without resistive heating. As are most other R290 HP's. Technology is thoroughly proven and considered more reliable than a gas boiler. The prices you refer to are not accurate costs for a heat pump unit so are likely made up or refer to a additional work. Perhaps let the National Grid decide if the Grid can cope - they reckon it can and will.
You get your phone, call the plumber and agree a date and time to put the combi back in 😂
Heat pumps are crap - end of
It’s called going back to the dark ages and using an immersion element
Which is the most expensive form of providing hot water 😂😂
It’s not using the immersion, it uses the heat pump. Immersion has been disabled from day 1.
Immersion would be cheaper than gas for me…
I use an immersion heater all the time in summer and it costs no more than 40p for all our hot water needs on an economy 7 tariff.
This green future seems to be a case of having to pre plan. Not great for people who aren't very good at planning and just do spur of the moment
Those same people ran into the same problems with their old water tank though, right? That isn't the green future's fault.