I have a long discussion thread about this on their own TH-cam promo video. The fork looks and seems great, isn't that enough? Claiming it's the first just cheapens it and makes them seem untrustworthy.
I have a gravel bike bike with a Cannondale Ultra Fatty Headshok fork and when it’s turned on while riding gravel trails the difference is not just noticeable but gives much improved comfort and control. Having the suspension is quite different ride from a shock stem or seatpost like Redshifts products.
Really wholeheartedly agree with nearly all this guy said (except the part of the 50 mm negatively affecting riding). So kudos to Canecreek - the design ideas are completely on point. Now - how this fork actually rides will be interesting to see and test. I definitely would like to see something like this as a sleek and lightweight gravel bzw. overlander xc fork in around 60 - 80 mm travel.
I like the look of it and would love to test it out. I have two diverges with future shocks and I do think it really helps smooth out the ride. I think it would be very useful on really chunky gravel. I look forward to your review of the fork.
seems legit, but like he said, the frame has to work with the fork. so are they going to provide some frame geometry numbers that will optimize performance with the forks, or do they just want ppl to drop over 1k and hope it works?
Interesting idea but lack of remote lockout would be a deal breaker for me. Add this to the 30mm version and I'd consider getting one for my next gravel bike.
Yes I ride these forka actually. You need suspension forks on a gravel bike, it is a must. But, what Are suggest is that a manufacturer actually change the shape of suspension fork tubes. Design, and have them work like our flat rigid forks. Change the game up. Innovate! ❤️
I use the Fox AX gravel fork and I really wouldn't want to ride gravel without it. It's so well tuned, I just leave it on soft and rarely bother with lockout either. It's easy to say "just ride a hard tail MTB" but the geometry is still very different. Maybe a hardtail MTB from 1999 would be more similar, but a modern MTB is a completely different beast. The only downside I can see to this is the price which is pretty eye watering. I can't see many takers when it's the price of a bike!
Yeah, but 'service intervals'. I run a one legged version like this on an mtb converted to a fast cross/atb/gravel thing - and the short service intervals compared to the hours a rider is likely to put into this sort of bike, is a 'next-level' P.I.T.A.
I would prefer something narrower and more aero for city use, on my flat bar fixie or road bike, with a disks up front. Maybe a bladed inverted fork for cobblestones and the local bikepaths. And priced well under other high end light, conventional and more complex forks. But i really like the 40mm version w/lock out. And would work well on the hardtai,l particulary on the faster trails.
Why not try this fork on a commuter e-bike in a rough area of road and gravel. And see if/ how much of a difference it makes. A warranty would help offset the cost.
I think that gravel bikes in general are not made to so rough terrains that demands suspension. 700x45 or 50 mm tires or 650B wheels with 54mm or something else, combinated with correct pressures can resolve. To really rought terrains a MTB works better. But thats my opinion, I prefer do some upgrades in my gravel with this money, but using a gravel suspension can make sense to some riders.
For me, a gravel bike is pure simplicity. A suspension fork adds another point that must be serviced. Will it be like with MTB forks every 50 hours to service the lower legs and every 200 hours a complete replacement of all seals? No thanks.
I've put 5000 miles on a Fox AX gravel fork (including commuting in some pretty horrendous winter conditions) and it's still buttery smooth like new. Haven't had to do anything to it yet!
Fox’s recommended service interval is 125 hours of riding for this fork. Without this, you risk damaging the fork. Scratch the fork stanchion etc... I had a mountain bike before gravel and a freshly serviced fork just always worked better.
They really put the damper on the brake side? So when if/when it fails, the damper fluid also takes out the front brake pads. Oops. Guess no one has experienced that feature of the lefty. Otherwise, somewhat more compelling than fox/rs offerings.
"just get a mtb and call it a day." - couldn't agree more. a light-weight hardtail MTB with rigid fork, 45-50 mm mtb/"gravel" tires and 2by or 1by and a 400 -420 wide bar will do more than fine.......
@phil_d it's my bike too.. I use schwalbe G one all round on my slate find them enough grip off road and rapid on road.. on my bad boy again 27.5 I use them aswell
@peterjohn548 That's what I have at the moment. I have just acquired it and have been changing some stuff, like Hope brakes (indulgent, I know) and a Profile Design handlebar. The bar is narrow for the top and hoods, but flares for the drops and has a small rise from the stem. Looking forward to getting it to the Lake District this year!
@phil_d during lock down I went a bit crazy with mine.. a Fatcreations paint job, protected by invis xpel ppf, strada hand built wheels, grx di2 2x 11 gears, new hologram crankset with spidering chain ring, pro discover carbon seatpost and bars, ceramic bearings all round.. started off nado grey and orange ultegra version.. only the seat post clamp and forks survives from before the madness that took place with it Would love to get mine to the lakes at some point, may send my fork off to tf tuned again
The price is absurd. I can get a used MTB for thprice of just the fork to go trash it on the forest trails... He needs to sell so he downplays any possible drawbacks but the truth is that rigid gravel forks provide enough compliance for typical gravel riding while making the bike faster than any suspension fork.
we all have money to burn , i just got a air fork 76 us lol 60mm i live in Virginia at the base of a mountain , imo 90% is hype most times we can buy the lest and get the most
There are some instances, specially when I ride my gravel with mountain bikers, where a suspension fork may be desirable, however my 50mm 17psi tires and trained arms and body probably do better😂.
Once you start adding forks to a Gravelbike, you might as well just get a full-sus XC mountain bike. A Specialized Epic World Cup or Trek Supercaliber make excellent Gravelbikes. My own Gravel bike is a 2023 Epic Evo with 700x47 Specialized Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires. It's just as fast as Gravelbike on pavement and gravel but still performs like an XC bike on singletrack.
oh well, that's how life works i guess, people don't stay in their 5 boxes, they see a market gap between 2 boxes and try to make a product for that. And at the end - why not, the geometry of a MTB feels totally different compared to my road or gravel bike, the handlebar alone makes a giant difference for speed and feeling and there is a significant weight difference and all that stuff. If people really mix street and real gravel, why not. For many (most) everything "good enough" is probably better than a specialized (not the brand;) bike. I would not buy it, because it has no place in my profile and bike collection, but let people buy what they think they need/want.
Deja vu… seems that not many people remember how the mountain bike was created and how it evolved…Take a road bike, widen the tires, improve the brakes, toss the drop bars and add some suspension. Chase down Gary Fisher, he’ll fill you in. 50 years later the cycle repeats but great news is that the ideal gravel bike (XC MTN bike) has matured to perfection.
Except, the use cases are very different. I’m old enough to remember riding early mountain bikes and they were literally designs for riding down mountains and over extreme terrain. That’s not what a gravel bike is at all. They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces. Yes. Gravel bike is versatile but it’s nowhere near a MTB. Yes there’s overlaps between where you can go but I would never ride down the side of a rough hill on drop bars 😂
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@@spacehed23 "They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces." --- yes, exactly. Then who is this product for? There WILL BE measurable performance penalty, regardless of what the sales guy says.... Whoever wants to fly over moderately rough terrain and even more during paved transits is usually perfectly fine with a carbon fork and well selected tire options. And whoever isn't after speed and wants to navigate rough terrain beyond the capabilities of drop bars and gravel bikes in general will go for a MTB with regular suspension fork. So for whom, again, is this product....? Maybe people who actually objectively need a MTB but desperately want the coolness factor of a gravel bike to go with their moustache and a checked flannel shirt but won't admit it...?
Sorry, how much am I paying for a fork with no damping? And this whole schtick of pretending to have invented the gravel suspension fork, as well as the first inverted fork that is actually 'successful'? Thats complete marketing bullshit of the highest order.
This is an absolute joke on every level. I was actually surprised at how much the rest of their products seem suspicious now, if they'll put this guy out there saying this.
Gravel riding was never meant to be riding a bike on dirt with a suspension, front, or rear!!! Gravel riding was and is all about grass roots!!! Here we go again, the industry putting something down the consumers' throat, as well as the grass roots Gravel rider and racer something they (we) don't need or want that drives up the price of an entity that has been and continues to be about simplicity (grass roots)!!! Marketing to increase profits!!!
This is a really slick product. Probably not what I need for how I ride, but I love seeing more suspension in gravel
Why make an absolutely false motto saying "Worlds First Gravel Fork".
Who else has made a dedicated gravel suspension fork ?
@@Bobwa2008 speedone , fox, lauf, rockshox. These came out years ago.
RS1 came out in 2014..... waiting for a dropper-post for "gravel" bikes now.. lol.
@@escamunicha4276 also cannondale, mrp, intend, etc
I have a long discussion thread about this on their own TH-cam promo video. The fork looks and seems great, isn't that enough? Claiming it's the first just cheapens it and makes them seem untrustworthy.
I have a gravel bike bike with a Cannondale Ultra Fatty Headshok fork and when it’s turned on while riding gravel trails the difference is not just noticeable but gives much improved comfort and control. Having the suspension is quite different ride from a shock stem or seatpost like Redshifts products.
Really wholeheartedly agree with nearly all this guy said (except the part of the 50 mm negatively affecting riding). So kudos to Canecreek - the design ideas are completely on point. Now - how this fork actually rides will be interesting to see and test. I definitely would like to see something like this as a sleek and lightweight gravel bzw. overlander xc fork in around 60 - 80 mm travel.
I'm pretty sue Lauf would have something to say about "world's first gravel fork".
Makes them seem untrustworthy.
I like the look of it and would love to test it out. I have two diverges with future shocks and I do think it really helps smooth out the ride. I think it would be very useful on really chunky gravel. I look forward to your review of the fork.
Congrats on making it to the big time on TH-cam Will!
Oh my god this guy helped get me into bikes years ago
seems legit, but like he said, the frame has to work with the fork. so are they going to provide some frame geometry numbers that will optimize performance with the forks, or do they just want ppl to drop over 1k and hope it works?
Interesting idea but lack of remote lockout would be a deal breaker for me. Add this to the 30mm version and I'd consider getting one for my next gravel bike.
Yes I ride these forka actually. You need suspension forks on a gravel bike, it is a must. But, what Are suggest is that a manufacturer actually change the shape of suspension fork tubes. Design, and have them work like our flat rigid forks. Change the game up. Innovate! ❤️
What about the damper? Is it coil? Does it have an oil skirt or just a dust seal? So many questions
sadly its all hype
No damping whatsoever
I’ve got the 2015 RS1 on my hardtail. Always thought it would be a great design for a gravel bike.
I use the Fox AX gravel fork and I really wouldn't want to ride gravel without it. It's so well tuned, I just leave it on soft and rarely bother with lockout either.
It's easy to say "just ride a hard tail MTB" but the geometry is still very different. Maybe a hardtail MTB from 1999 would be more similar, but a modern MTB is a completely different beast.
The only downside I can see to this is the price which is pretty eye watering. I can't see many takers when it's the price of a bike!
Did he mention the weight of each fork?
no, but it's $1,200.USD !!!
Yeah, I was curious, too. From company website "Only 990g, or 2.2 lbs for Invert SL and 1113g for Invert CS." So...
400gram more Then Lauf😊
Yeah, but 'service intervals'. I run a one legged version like this on an mtb converted to a fast cross/atb/gravel thing - and the short service intervals compared to the hours a rider is likely to put into this sort of bike, is a 'next-level' P.I.T.A.
I could of used that riding down some ridge lines in Virginia a few days ago.
Why no cage mounts?
My thought exactly
I want this for a road bike!
I wonder if this could be put on a Specialized Diverge
I would prefer something narrower and more aero for city use, on my flat bar fixie or road bike, with a disks up front.
Maybe a bladed inverted fork for cobblestones and the local bikepaths.
And priced well under other high end light, conventional and more complex forks.
But i really like the 40mm version w/lock out.
And would work well on the hardtai,l particulary on the faster trails.
I like it, it’s a well considered design. If the price can be made low enough they will sell a ton of them.
Why not try this fork on a commuter e-bike in a rough area of road and gravel. And see if/ how much of a difference it makes. A warranty would help offset the cost.
I think that gravel bikes in general are not made to so rough terrains that demands suspension. 700x45 or 50 mm tires or 650B wheels with 54mm or something else, combinated with correct pressures can resolve.
To really rought terrains a MTB works better.
But thats my opinion, I prefer do some upgrades in my gravel with this money, but using a gravel suspension can make sense to some riders.
Does anyone (or David) know the actual axle to crown measurements?
It's huge! 430mm
For me, a gravel bike is pure simplicity. A suspension fork adds another point that must be serviced. Will it be like with MTB forks every 50 hours to service the lower legs and every 200 hours a complete replacement of all seals? No thanks.
I've put 5000 miles on a Fox AX gravel fork (including commuting in some pretty horrendous winter conditions) and it's still buttery smooth like new. Haven't had to do anything to it yet!
Fox’s recommended service interval is 125 hours of riding for this fork. Without this, you risk damaging the fork. Scratch the fork stanchion etc... I had a mountain bike before gravel and a freshly serviced fork just always worked better.
@@Lasicak no one sticks to this intervals. No one
They really put the damper on the brake side? So when if/when it fails, the damper fluid also takes out the front brake pads. Oops. Guess no one has experienced that feature of the lefty. Otherwise, somewhat more compelling than fox/rs offerings.
That's assuming there's a fluid damper in there. Could be a reinvention of the old elastomer forks.
If it performs and wins races you’ll see more competitors running them. Respect.
Why not just run a 100 mm fork? My orbea alma easily converts from a hardtail MTB to gravel bike with this setup.
$1200 for a gravel suspension fork. More creative ways the bike industry is shilling marketing-- at this point, just get a mtb and call it a day.
"just get a mtb and call it a day." - couldn't agree more. a light-weight hardtail MTB with rigid fork, 45-50 mm mtb/"gravel" tires and 2by or 1by and a 400 -420 wide bar will do more than fine.......
Honestly, I'd rather see an interview with the engineer. Looks cool!
But the engineer has no hair, is 1.55m tall, and has a pirate eyepatch.
I gotta be honest, this thing looks worse than the fox or rockshox version... Still prefere my solid carbon forks
I'd go with a Cannondale Lefty any day.
Cannondale Slate with the Oliver carbon fork.. the OG gravel bike that years later bike brands still haven't caught up with
@@peterjohn548 Bingo! That's my bike 😉 The only issue is the slight lack of tyre choice for 650B wheels.
@phil_d it's my bike too.. I use schwalbe G one all round on my slate find them enough grip off road and rapid on road.. on my bad boy again 27.5 I use them aswell
@peterjohn548 That's what I have at the moment. I have just acquired it and have been changing some stuff, like Hope brakes (indulgent, I know) and a Profile Design handlebar. The bar is narrow for the top and hoods, but flares for the drops and has a small rise from the stem.
Looking forward to getting it to the Lake District this year!
@phil_d during lock down I went a bit crazy with mine.. a Fatcreations paint job, protected by invis xpel ppf, strada hand built wheels, grx di2 2x 11 gears, new hologram crankset with spidering chain ring, pro discover carbon seatpost and bars, ceramic bearings all round.. started off nado grey and orange ultegra version.. only the seat post clamp and forks survives from before the madness that took place with it
Would love to get mine to the lakes at some point, may send my fork off to tf tuned again
Wren has already made this fork. It's been around for two years now. Also American made.
Heavier though.
The price is absurd. I can get a used MTB for thprice of just the fork to go trash it on the forest trails... He needs to sell so he downplays any possible drawbacks but the truth is that rigid gravel forks provide enough compliance for typical gravel riding while making the bike faster than any suspension fork.
we all have money to burn , i just got a air fork 76 us lol 60mm i live in Virginia at the base of a mountain , imo 90% is hype most times we can buy the lest and get the most
People are absolutely hibernating on the eeSilk+ seatpost.
What are the actual weights of these forks?
That looks really good
There are some instances, specially when I ride my gravel with mountain bikers, where a suspension fork may be desirable, however my 50mm 17psi tires and trained arms and body probably do better😂.
Cane creek first run product, have fun.
"I don't feel like there's much drawback" (Other than being $1,200)
If you need shox get a xc mtb
a gravel bike with suspension fork turns into... guess what... a mountain bike! 😂😂😅😅
Gravel bikes will all eventually look like my '93 Stumpjumper
Once you start adding forks to a Gravelbike, you might as well just get a full-sus XC mountain bike. A Specialized Epic World Cup or Trek Supercaliber make excellent Gravelbikes. My own Gravel bike is a 2023 Epic Evo with 700x47 Specialized Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires. It's just as fast as Gravelbike on pavement and gravel but still performs like an XC bike on singletrack.
No, Rudy looks better. Cane creek has soooo much clearance it looks bad
❤🎉to chci 👍👌
Just ride a hardtail MTB at this point.
oh well, that's how life works i guess, people don't stay in their 5 boxes, they see a market gap between 2 boxes and try to make a product for that. And at the end - why not, the geometry of a MTB feels totally different compared to my road or gravel bike, the handlebar alone makes a giant difference for speed and feeling and there is a significant weight difference and all that stuff. If people really mix street and real gravel, why not. For many (most) everything "good enough" is probably better than a specialized (not the brand;) bike.
I would not buy it, because it has no place in my profile and bike collection, but let people buy what they think they need/want.
Why?
Deja vu… seems that not many people remember how the mountain bike was created and how it evolved…Take a road bike, widen the tires, improve the brakes, toss the drop bars and add some suspension. Chase down Gary Fisher, he’ll fill you in. 50 years later the cycle repeats but great news is that the ideal gravel bike (XC MTN bike) has matured to perfection.
Except, the use cases are very different. I’m old enough to remember riding early mountain bikes and they were literally designs for riding down mountains and over extreme terrain. That’s not what a gravel bike is at all. They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces. Yes. Gravel bike is versatile but it’s nowhere near a MTB. Yes there’s overlaps between where you can go but I would never ride down the side of a rough hill on drop bars 😂
@@spacehed23 "They are for riding quickly if rough surfaces." --- yes, exactly. Then who is this product for? There WILL BE measurable performance penalty, regardless of what the sales guy says.... Whoever wants to fly over moderately rough terrain and even more during paved transits is usually perfectly fine with a carbon fork and well selected tire options. And whoever isn't after speed and wants to navigate rough terrain beyond the capabilities of drop bars and gravel bikes in general will go for a MTB with regular suspension fork. So for whom, again, is this product....?
Maybe people who actually objectively need a MTB but desperately want the coolness factor of a gravel bike to go with their moustache and a checked flannel shirt but won't admit it...?
Sorry, how much am I paying for a fork with no damping? And this whole schtick of pretending to have invented the gravel suspension fork, as well as the first inverted fork that is actually 'successful'? Thats complete marketing bullshit of the highest order.
1100€... :(
I had to stop the video at "World's First Gravel Fork", too much BS for me to go on.
Jesus Christ (sorry). 1100-1200 euros for a gravel fork. I must be dreaming… 🫣
Too expensive.
This is an absolute joke on every level. I was actually surprised at how much the rest of their products seem suspicious now, if they'll put this guy out there saying this.
Grinvert , ha ha :)
um, no.....
Boring
It's a modern 1990's MTB bike
Wth they got upsidedown suspension like motorcycle now?
Anybody who needs suspension to ride gravel shouldn't be riding gravel in the first place. Stick to tarmac.
Just take a look at Dylan Johnson. Dont be so narrow minded
Yea people should listen to you because?
Such an ignorant statement 😮
Gravel riding was never meant to be riding a bike on dirt with a suspension, front, or rear!!! Gravel riding was and is all about grass roots!!! Here we go again, the industry putting something down the consumers' throat, as well as the grass roots Gravel rider and racer something they (we) don't need or want that drives up the price of an entity that has been and continues to be about simplicity (grass roots)!!! Marketing to increase profits!!!