how ram pumps work new version
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- This video is the human voice version of same video I made previously. It is also have larger circles indicating the flow direction. I am planning to convert my other robotic voice videos to human voice.
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I have watched over a dozen videos on Ram pumps. The light bulb finally went on when I saw your diagram. Thank you
this is the best explanation on internet about the ram pump, really perfect.
The perfect system as well as with the presentation. Thank you.
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What an ingenious design! finally figured it out! thanks!
If the water is returned to the stream from where it came from there is no waste and the only loss in respect of the stream is what is being taken away for the humans use. What a magic system. The animation and explanation are both perfect, Well done !!!!.
Exactly the explanation I was looking for, the physics involved in this kind of mechanism, I saw it working on many videos before, but could not understand how the energy flow works on, I also subscribed to your channel, congrats.
Well explained once again, so simple but yet so impressive.
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I've seen a few videos about ram pump but this is by far the best explanation. Well done 👍
Thank you.
Thanks much. I have seen them being used and have wondered how they work and what will wear out etc.
looks like the orings on the valves are the weak link
very good explanation, i understand how ramp pumps work now
Top explanation for this mechanism thank you
Very understandable explanation. Thanks
much better than the mechanical robot voice in the other video
Very good animation, almost perfect.
Thank you so much for your comment and visit to my site.
Very helpful explanation.
I loved the heavy man explanation. 😌🌎🌄
Great video!
Thanks.
Very smart mechanism. Lovely video 👌👍💐❤❤
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Sounds like magic.
the great pyramid was a giant ram pump
Interesting. Can you please post a link that helps me learn why you think this. I am open to entertain that it could have been partly or mostly submerged in history..... But I need more to go on
Thank your fo the nice video. So educational.
Great video
So... the water source must be higher than the pump in order to work? Therefore this will not pump water from a well 25-30 deep?
Well explained s0 as presentati0n... thumbs up!
Thanks
It is possible pump up 500 mts or more with this pumps?
How many liters of water I can lift up with a drop of 1 foot with a water discharge of 3 liters of water per second? I mean just with gravity from a source?
Is there optimal diameter of the delivery pipe in relation to intake pipe? And is the size of accumulator important? Does it affect the speed of valves opening and closing?
Those are though question for me to answer. But I recommend you to check following ram pump calculator program. www.borstengineeringconstruction.com/Hydraulic_Ram_Pump_Perfomance_Calculator.html
@Hater Sensei Grand Master Chosen One I am sorry that that link is broken. I guess, the owner of that site deleted that file. If I find another one I can add it here.
The technical information is very good and the design is understandable.
Thank you for your visit and comment.
One could insert a non return valve so the output pipe would not pressurize the balloon or tyres or tube.
Surely there is a balance point
Where the strong balloon or tyres or tube can provide extra thrust to extract more water from the accumulator
If the tube is able to contract more than the pressure build up in the accumulator?
or should i say more than the head pressure required to trust water to the top of the output,
but less than the pressure coming in to the accumulator.
I think we are on to a major breakthrough in Ram pump pumping technology here?
Build it. Let us know what happens. Put check valves half way up the pressurized discharge line, and at the end next to the water storage barrel. And one fourth of the way up
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your visit and comment.
Nice work
But i have a question its about the type of valves?
How can i control the valves to let it suddenly close and open after a while?
You should not, system design conditions does it automatically.
Make the passage for the valve longer
Is there a way for water being released from the waste valve to be recycled back into the initial holding tank/ river where this is being pumped from? I'm not just wondering where wastewater goes if this pump is placed outdoors to take water from a stream or lake, but what if someone wanted to recycle water upwards as part of a sustainable system?
Hi Luke, thank you for your visit to my channel. Waste water goes to the river or stream where it is taken originally from. But not to the same elevation, it is disposed some location which has lover elevation from the source. Only your downstream neighbor can benefit from it, not you. As long as sun shines it will cause the water evaporation which will eventually come as rain, some part of this rain will fall just upper stream location of your house. Which will make your ram pump operate. The sun and the earth combination act like giant heat engine which give us sustainable energy.
@@mekanizmalar, WOW! You said what I wanted to hear... "As long as sun shines"... some people should pay closer attention to the old saying which says something like this: "In nature nothing is lost or created, everything is transformed". We need energy to produce energy... wait, not produce, transform to a desired form.
Dear Jack , thank you for your comment end visit to my channel. Yes you are right. As far as I know all the energy sources by the sun or stars like sun. Coal, oil, wood, wind, tidal, solar and some others that I might forgot. In turn all the stars use fusion to convert hydrogen to helium, helium to Lithium and so on. We might think that the hydrogen is the coal of the universe.
Maybe a TROMPE, or a water wheel or wind turbine pump
@@theewtgy You gave the answer in another comment: a pyramid! :O)
Best explanation ever seen.
I'm starting to comprehend the whole system, so I'm grateful to you for that, but it would be helpful if all the elements in your graphic were labeled.
So as not to confuse us, as each component of the system is labeled and flashed to call your attention to it as its function is described. Worked well for me! Did you get impatient?
good work
Thank you Mahmud.
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really interesting. clear video. thank
Thank you for your nice comment and visiting my TH-cam channel.
Could the wastewater be captured at that lower point, (reservoir under the Ram pump), then run downhill to another Ram pump which would then refill the upper reservoir? There would still be loss but recaptured energy in the upper reservoir. I think there's a problem here but I'm just not seeing it. That being said I have used the Ram pump and they are fascinating devices. I think the answer may be in head drop.
Why would you waste time trying to recapture water to fill the upper reservoir? These systems are to be used on year round creeks/streams/springs. The reservoir would fill on it's own, indefinitely.
@@jlydon29 there would be a depreciated return but my system does not have a falling water area anyway I've stopped worrying about this problem.
@@Tsumarinai The dam analogy explains it best. You want 'free' energy from the flowing water, to pump some of the water uphill, for your use. You do not waste this precious 'free' energy and time pumping the flow water back into the dam. Rain and gravity will ensure your river is always flowing; thus your water and free energy are replenished. What happens downstream is your neighbor's issue, not yours.
In the waste valve, is it possible to save the water that comes out in that valve, for example adding some weight to the valve so that the water connot comes out.
Waste water is a necessary both for water turbines and for ram pumps. If you close exit gate of a turbine you can not produce electricity. Water just accumulates in the dam lake. At the same token, if you close waste valve no water will pass through the ram pump, water will just run down hill outside from reservoir. By passing water from ram pump, you can pump small portion of that water to higher elevation and release the large portion of that water down hill.
Isnt it kinetic energy and use of impulse?
Hydram pump is a water pump that works using hydraulic water. The hydram pump was designed by French inventor, Joseph Montgolfier in the 18th century.
So the pump have 2 vales, each one will take turn to open and close as the water pressure change. At the first vale there is a air tube, which use as a air pressure pump to push the water up. As the water flow the pressure shut the 2nd vale, which then build pressure one the first vale force it to open now water will flow into the first vale and fill up tube. So the air in the air tube got compressed, to a point the aire pressure is strong enough to push, and shut the first vale at the same time push the water up. Vale 2 open up when the water pressure is reduced due to water flow into vale 1. The water flow pass vale 1 to vale 2, then force vale 2 to shut, then vale 1 open. So one vale open, other close, then using compressed air to push air upward. Very nice ideas.
Thanks for your detailed comment. Yes, it is a very good idea.
1. Water flows downhill which forces the waste water valve to shut
2. When the valve suddenly shuts the weight of the water flowing downhill wants to continue flowing in that direction (water hammer) causing a sudden rise in pressure
3. The sudden rise in pressure causes the valve to the outlet of the pump to open
4. While the water flows through the outlet, it causes air pressure in the accumulator tank to rise
5. When the air pressure rises enough in the accumulator, that causes the outlet valve to close.
6. While the outlet valve is closed, the excess air pressure in the acumulator forces the water uphill.
7. Also when the outlet valve closes, this causes the water to stop flowing on the inlet side which lets the waste water valve open via gravity.
8. As the water flows from inlet to waste this causes the waste valve to close again from the flow of water. Which starts the cycle again
Thank you, I appreciate your detailed explenation, Well done.
Do you think it's possible that the giza pyramid was a ram pump?
What I don't understand is why a creek at higher elevation is required...it seems that one could create/install a high pond and once that pond is filled...water is constantly running uphill to fill the high pond.
Anybody can tell us about the relationship between the size and the distance and the angle of each inlet and outlet of the pump... please
what materials needed, i mean valves and sizes please. the answer will help me a lot
Use what you have locally. Figure it out
@@jaredb6934 thanks a lot, that make sense otherwise i cant create my own some of the materials are not available exactly whats stated on video.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for your nice comment.
If you added a little bit of electricity, couldnt you do away with the waste valve (so no water is wasted) and operate the delivery valve with a timed solenoid?
No, you can't get something from nothing. The energy to pump the water uphill has to come from somewhere. The "waste water" must be generated because we need a certain amount of water to flow downhill so that we can capture its energy.
@@AgentFriday I understand what Debbie is saying and yes, I think her system would work but, unless you are trying to catch all the water, there is no point in using a solenoid.
A ram pump is usually used to pump a small % of the water in a stream to a higher elevation. The waste water will just find its way back to the stream. A ram pump is capturing the energy in the stream, using some of that energy to pump water to a higher elevation, then, that extra "waste" water, is returned to the stream. There is no need to use a solenoid, instead, we are using the energy of the falling water, then that "waste" water ends up running down hill, usually back to the stream.
I think Debbie was thinking along the lines of not wanting to waste any water but we aren't really wasting any water, we are just using it's energy and returning it to the stream.
The energy to create lift comes from flow inertia. No flow, no inertial energy. You're using a creek to power the unit, the water is not wasted, it's routed back into the creek to carry on with it's original journey. You are simply taking from the creek, what is used for human purposes.
may i ask sir?
when water hammer happen, how much velocity of water? what the formulation for that?
It depends heavily on the diameter of parts and size and type of valves. And material of the valve and pipes. The momentary pressure spike has so many variables it's not possible to calculate. Only to build it and measure it.
Do you have explaination of this kind about the working principle of siphoning method used at some youtubers in irrigation on their farm? Thank you
If they use siphoning, water should have a higher elevation than their field. And in between height of water climbing should be no more than five meters.
Darn good!
Thanks.
The ram pumps is working like our hearts
I think a robot-voice would be a nice video upgrade....
I wonder if a check valve in the delivery line would increase efficiency.
Thank you for your visit and comment. I think putting a third check valve will decrease efficiency. This is because when check valve closes the momentum created by the water will be absorbed with check valve instead pumping extra water. Also life span of new check valve be very short compared the others. This will create maintenance problems.
Stanley, please build it and tell us what happens. Adjust, in the installation, the check valve installed closer and further from source water, If possible.
How high is the elevation of the source of water going through the pump? Plz really nead the answer.
This is a tough question to answer for me. Elevation of the source could be depended on the elevation of the output and also the amount of input volume and output volume you want to get.
It depends on the volume, and how high it needs to pump
Minimum 2-4 feet of head for source water to pump. Depends on configuration and flow. I watched a guy use a four foot drop to make 32 psi. That could go up about 70 feet.
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Shouldn't the water in the pipe on the left side of the waste valve remain blue (unpressurized) instead of turning red with the rest of the pressurized water? It seems to me that the waste valve and open waste pipe would require it to be that way.
Thank you for your visit and question. Actually, the waste valve is not on at all the time. It periodically opens and closes. When it is closed the flow on the left turns red, on the other hand, if the waste valve is open the flow becomes blue. If the waste valve was on all the time there would be no water flow to higher ground. The ram pump almost works just like German V-1 flying bomb which was world's first guided missile. V-1 ram engine had flaps in front of the engine. Whenever there was ignition, increased pressure inside the burning chamber would force the flaps to close, When the exhaust gas expelled from the exhaust valve the kinetic energy of gases creates a vacuum inside the burning chamber. This low pressure would force the flaps to open. This periodic opening and closing motion of flaps create a buzzing sound and flying bomb also called as buzz bomb by British.
No, it needs pressure to close the valve
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Do you know the efficiency effect of the system based on the size of the accumulator? TIA
Efficiency is normally calculated by the supply head and delivery head
If the accumulator was a type or balloon rather than a rigid vessel would more water be thrust up the delivery pipe?
No the accumulator needs to be ridged to produce air pressure to push any water up the delivery pipe. If it was a balloon or expanding it would not develop enough pressure to the push the water up and also the head of water from the reservoir would burst the balloon.
@@des2610 One could insert a non return valve so the output pipe would not pressurize the balloon or tyres tube.
Surely there is a balance point
Where the strong balloon or tyres or tube can provide extra thrust to extract more water from the accumulator
If the tube is able to contract more than the pressure build up in the accumulator?
I think we are on to a major breakthrough in Ram pump technology here?
Parabéns! um dia vou fazer um igual!
Thank you.
infinity divided by 10 is still infinity! Big Brain Time!
How about if you dont have a downstream water...what i have is only a horizontal irrigation canal could it work?
Unfortunately my answer is no. If it was possible we could produce energy from flat see surface.
It should work in the irrigation canal in the winter when water is flowing through it. Though the flow rate might be an issue as far as pumping ability.
Well that's clear as Mudd! LoL 😆
I don't really understand the purpose of the waste valve. Would the pump work if the waste valve is permanently sealed?
Thank you for visiting my channel. The short answer to your question is NO. Thing about a dam, if you close exit pipe you can not generate electricity. Same principle apply in this pump too.
No, because the pressure tank would not compress, and the water would stay in the pipe... Obviously it would need an alternative spillover point
This is what they used the pyramids for
Where was the elevated water?
@@SiegePerilousEsauMaltomite in the mote around the great pyramid maybe... But, I think some pyramids were for pumping water uphill, and others could have been used as hyperbaric chambers, or both... For example, one pyramid could have been used to pump the water from an aquaduct near the Nile (closer back then) and fill a reservoir in another pyramid that would use water volume to create air pressure (inside the queens chamber of the great pyramid for example) which could then be used to run pneumatic tools and create electricity through the use of turbines, or pressurize chambers inside smaller pyramids or the so called Kings chamber.
High technology, limited resources. (Soon after the flood, if you believe that sort of thing)
@@liamflynn2549 I'm good, u?
Samuel Reed You need to change your dealer. Whatever you're smoking is causing delusional thoughts.
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I have doubt in ram pump, can we do it without water waste (valve wastage)? . Always waste water is falling down so can we reuse(send back to source bucket)???
Do you send water back to a dam after generating electricity? You can't. The energy passing from the turbine is not wastewater, it is water that generated electricity and loss it's potential energy. The same is true for the ram pump, the water called wastewater, actually is used water, that water pushes a small percentage of the water from reservoir to higher elevation.
@@seyhanersoy8989 your explanation is enlightening me as a person that thaught the waste water as a "waste".
👍👍 cool
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How is this expensive and a waste if you use this in a natural river or stream? The water would be going into the environment any way. Thanks for the info, I will put it to good use.
Thank you for your visit to my channel and your comment.
Imagine putting one of these on a boat in the ocean attached to a turbine with the water/escape/air input to a tube that floats to the surface
@@wastelesslearning1245 say that a different way and number your steps. I have no idea what you just said. But if you say it better I can think about it.
This drawing needs improvement...
With this cartoon, people (like me.!.) will tend to think, why not simply run a pipe across from right to left.? The pump is needless.!
What you need to change, is, the level of the structure on the right of the screen needs lowering somewhat. If the diagram showed the left side's level to be OBVIOUSLY higher than the right side, it would make much more sense.
At the moment, it makes the pump seem pointless. Just a suggestion 😉
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how does the waste valve shut and not waste too much water?
i wondered this , i think its when the flow through it increased enough to push it closed ,when the water sped up enough. then it slams the water into the accumulator.
How many percent of efficiency?
Some scientific papers assumes 0.6 efficiency and I think this is reasonable.
my friend's research says only 20% probably different type of pump
So you could have “infinite” energy as long as water moves downhill. You constantly run the water you moved uphill through a turbine, back into another holding tank downhill doing the same thing, and this just keeps going
Dear Arrad, The only way to move water uphill is by the suns energy and generate electricity by passing same amount water from the turbine. Even that is not generate electricity to the infinity. We know that sun will die in the future. Also, places we consider becomes flat lands by erosion. In short, in the nature there is no infinite energy for us to use.
You certainly could put the output tube into the river before the inlet pipe, but then you are using 80% of the water to move 20% back to the river. If the river were to stop flowing by itself, you would quickly run out of your own waste water, sending 80% of that 20% downstream the second time around until there isn't enough water left in the river to power the device.
Bernoulli equation pgh +v2/2g+hL
Should be able to run the water(that was pumped and/or before it went to ram pump) across a waterwheel and make electricity. Make electricity twice if you have the height.
This is how the heart works. The flow of blood is electromagnetism
Lol. No.
Cekvalfin suyu disari vurmasi sartmi su disari ciktiginda havami aliyor sadecd yukaridan gelen su yetmezmi
Sayin Muzaffer, evet checkvalf suyu disari atmak zorunda. Olayi soyle dusun, cekvalf acik, su disari akiyor. Bu akis ceckvalfin ic kismindaki basinci dusuruyor, basinc dusunce su basinci bu checkvalfin aniden kapanmasina neden oluyor. Bu da borudan akan suyun basincinin aniden armasina sebeb oluyor. Bu basinc artisida ic checkvalfi acip yukari su pompalamaya basliyor. Bu da boru icindeki basincin dusmesine sebeb oluyor. Bu basinc dusnesi de suyu disari atan valfi aciyor. Boylece olay kendini tekrarlayip daima calisiyor. Benzer kuralla almanlarin ikinci dunya savasinda yaptiklari V1 roketi de benzer prensiple calisiyor.
Do u have a lnguage translation? Portugese
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Unfortunately I do not have one.
Cover the math LAST! Explain why the check valves change state. That's what people want to know.
Man running into a wall😂🤣
how do pump a rums work?
I explained this in the my replies to similar question. If you look at comments, you may found the answer.
How is that complicated and expensive ?!
How efficient are ram pumps? What % of water is lost in waste valve?
OK, I found the answer. Typical efficiency is 60% but up to 80% is possible.
Oh well, it turns our that 60-80% does not refer to how much water is delivered. The amount of water that goes through depends on source and destination heights. If the source is 2m above the ram and water is pumped 10m above the ram, only 20% of the water will be delivered to destination. So basically the % of water delivered = height from ram to source / height from ram to destination * 100. So in our example 2m / 10m *100 = 20% of water delivered.
AND THEN you take that 60-80% energy efficiency of the pump to see how much water you will actually get at the destination. So you don't get 20% of water delivered as in the example above, but you get 60-80% of those 20%. If the efficiency is say 70%, then you get 70% of 20% which is 14%.
Not very inspiring numbers. But it can be done on the cheap, requires no fuel of electricity, and it's very simple system not much to go wrong. So it's a good choice if you have enough water an the source. Otherwise solar panel powered pump seems like a better choice.
It wastes a lot of water in the process. Is it possible to use electrostatic electricity or magnet on the outer pipe,water inside will have an opposite charge and will tend to spin. If there’s a kind of Archimedes screw inside the pipe the spinning water will probably rise!
It is misconception that many people think waste water is wasted. Actually it is conservation of energy principle. If you want to pump water to higher elevation, you need more energy to do that. We use waste water energy to do that and discard the water to the environment. If you want less water discarded than you should reduce the hight that water pumped.
This is a tutorial on ram pumps. Why are you confusing the issue by talking about turbine pumps?
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I am still waiting for someone to properly explain why the waste valve opens after it shuts off, so far nobody explained ( math, physics ) behind it, sure enough, I built one , and it never opened by it self , I suspect due to the water pressure keeping it closed,
Trye to put a weight under waste walve to overcome water pressure.
I think direction of the valve in waste has to be inverted
merci pour la video c'est tres gentil de votre part felicitation
My new patent amplified Ram Pump (Ramplified) can lift to 30m from 50cm drive head
That is good. However, the wastewater flow should be much higher, from 50 cm to pump water to 30m.
@@seyhanersoy8989 not needing higher drive heads in my design
Way too many words... It's simpler than what she's saying.
Yeah. I got it in the end but there is more in this video than a simple explanation. I think breaking it down rather than talking over a continuously moving diagram would have made it easier to grasp.
thank you very much for explaining this mechanical system wrong and for dumbing-down America you guys are awesome. May our Father our God keep you all in his sites and drive out the evil that is behind this. Have a great day may God bless you all.
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🤔why even bother talking about something having 100% efficiency.? Why complicate matters for no reason.? Just tell us HOW it works.!😘
If you were just sitting next to me, and giving those suggestions, it would be very nice. Isn't it too late to change it three years later?
VERY COMPLICATED>>>>>> NOT UNDERSTOOD=== GO TO THE BASICS
To much bla bla bla...
Awful explanation. I know how these work but after listening to this video I am confused.
I am sorry that you were confused. Can I ask you which portion you find confusing?
Echo room is horrible to listen to.
The video was great but your explanation sucked. I had to stop this video every 30 sec to explain to my daughter what you were talking about.
Very helpful I have seen it work . Very strong I like the technology
I love it's too and also nice presentation.