Dude! You are the most trusted voice in home theater on you tube. I watch a few videos out there and still question applying those techniques. Watch your videos and without thinking twice I immediately trust your advice and apply it.
I went through all 3 options before finally settling with in ceiling. I had the cheap onkyo up firing atmos modules in a 5.2.2. Eventually upgraded receiver for a 5.2.4 and went with Sony atmos modules. Of course it was a lot better and you could hear the atmos effects more clearly. The speakers were also able to be wall mounted like option 2. I tried it and honestly, the up firing sounded better. I did very light testing I'll admit but during those tests, the up firing sounded better. It was as if the sound was being lost with the wall option. It didn't sound like things were above me the way the up firing made it seem. My only guess is that maybe if the on the walls could've been towed in like you mentioned in the video, it would be better sounding. I now have klipsch cdt-5650-c IIs in the ceiling and it's obviously the best way to experience dolby atmos. I want to do more testing with them since they have adjustable tweeters and woofers. For now I have them facing the MLP. I wanna try woofers pointing down with tweeters aimed at ears and see what kind of experience I get. Most in ceiling speakers just point straight down so it has me wondering. I just want the best sound possible for my setup and room. I've gotten so obsessed with atmos that I usually play atmos demos for a couple minutes before watching movies just to "make sure it's working". I just love how more immersive this technology is. Too bad I get distracted easily by the atmos effects going on. Seriously an awesome way to experience movies and shows at home.
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
@@jjcps3 phew, commenting on a 4 yr old comment lol. Well, I'm pretty heavily biased towards onkyo receivers. In the span of 8 years, I've gone through about 5 different receivers for various different setups. 4 of them were onkyos and one was a pioneer. I'm currently using an onkyo txnr7100 which is a 9 channel receiver for a 5.x.4 atmos setup. I honestly just like the onkyo UI and the prices they go for. I really would've wanted to get an onkyo rz50 but there was a huge shortage during the troubled times a couple years back 😷. I recommend you set yourself a budget and just go for the best bang for your buck in that price range. Also don't be afraid to try a used or refurbed receiver. 3 of my onkyo (696, 787, 797) receivers and the pioneer(LX503) were used off of ebay. Now, I would say go for something that has the latest features such as hdmi 2.1, earc support and dirac live room correction etc etc . Get a 9 channel to at least have a 5.x.4 which is a great balanced configuration. You at least want 4 atmos. If I were to go for a receiver right now, I'd honestly say get an onkyo rz50. It's 1000 new or 750 refurbed w/1yr warranty on ebay as I'm writing this. My reasoning is you get all the newest features and some future proofing. If you want to upgrade in the future, you can go up to a 7.x.4 or 5.1.6(6 atmos speakers is apparently the absolute best way to experience atmos). You can also upgrade and use separates (amplifiers) with this receiver if you want the extra juice for your speakers. If you're a gamer, you can get 4k 120hz output. I can go on and on. So yea, I'd go for the rz50 or any receiver from 2022 and up. As long as you have those features, you should be good for the next 5-10 years. If you're going for something brand new then they're all pretty much the same if they're priced the same. It really comes down to preference to brand or User inyerface at that point.
Hello again Kpaceguy, as we talk about yesterday I bought my first Marantz Receiver, model SR6012. But unfortunately not good as what I expected, feel like my Pioneer Elite gives me more sound effects. I assume I might haven't done it perfectly. I using 7 channels 5.1.2 for Dolby atmos. Should I choose 9 channel or 7 channel Bi-amp one? and what about 100hz or 80? I use DefTech speakers. Can you give me some advice? thanks.
I just made a small adjustment to my heights and it made a huge difference (IMHO). After watching several You-Tube videos and talking to Klipsch, I ad-libbed and took some 1x2 tomato stakes skinny-side from the basement and wedged them along the outside edges of my front RP500SAs to angle them in more towards my listening position instead of straight out 3 ft to either side of my single chair listening position to more-or-less match my main speaker toe-in (I don't have anything in the back except my surrounds because the chair is against the wall). I proceeded to test them out with Terminator: Salvation and it sounded great with my 7.2.2 setup. I thought I had the AVR set to Direct, but it added the heights to the mix on it's own to "Multi-channel plus Dolby Surround." I haven't run them through Odyssey yet. I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make, but I will probably do it later this week. Maybe I'll put on Ready: Player One or Saving Private Ryan and see ow it goes. I can't put anything in the ceiling and/or don't want to go through the trouble in my small basement bedroom.
Glad you mentioned the bookshelf speakers mounted at an angle being a good option as thats what I was going with I feel little more confident with that decision now. Whats really hard to find and understand is do Atmos enabled receivers know if the speakers being used are actual Atmos speakers or not? Is there something that translates from the speaker to tell the receiver if its Atmos enabled or not. Or does the receiver just treat the chosen speaker set as Atmos if that’s what you choose in the setting? Asking because I have purchased bookshelf speakers for this purpose as they are more on the affordable side.
The receiver can't detect anything. It plays the same signal regardless and calibrates it accordingly. Speakers are labeled as "atmos" because they are designed specifically for that purpose and no other
@@stevenmetz5363 you could use bookshelf wall brackets right at the top of the wall. The ones that let you tilt angle the speaker in any direction. Then you can angle the bookshelfs right down at the floor. But it won't be anywhere near as clean tidy looking as proper in ceiling atmos speakers.
@@C--A I got the speakers in the ceiling. Just used standard ceiling speakers. I wanted to put the grills in the ceiling and put a bookshelf in the attic. (So It'd look like traditional height speakers)
I have Prime Elevations mounted as front an rear heights. I noticed that your couch is pretty close to the back wall. My couch is a bit under 3 feet from my back wall. I'm sure that ideally our couches should be well forward of the wall but that's not possible. Givej that, after you run room correction, do you adjust the gain on your front and rear heights? Since your MLP is so close to the rears, what kind of gain adjustments on them do you make, if any, to give them more breathing room from where you sit?
@MrNorcal81 well you'd decrease not increase but that's not the way to do it necessarily. You'd take a dsp and add milliseconds of delay. Kind of like the way lipsync works on a TV.
@@Kpaceguy Without getting into using a DSP (it's too bad that AVRs don't have an audio delay setting for each channel), I did decrease my rear heights distance by 4 feet and definitely got a more immersive "bubble of sound" from the middle of the couch. I'll try 5 feet and , if it's even a bit better, stop there. Thanks and keep up the good work. Your videos are always informative.
I actually have the Klipsch Reference 5.1 Home Theater Speakers, and I used 2 of the satellite speakers above my LG CX 65 inch TV for the Dolby Atmos. I also bought 2 Klipsch R-41M Bookshelf speakers to act as my Front L and R and put them on stands, then used the rest of the speakers and subwoofer accordingly (SS L + R, Center, SW). I checked this video to confirm the angle of how I should point the satellite speakers down towards the listening area (right now the slight elevated - more straight angled on top of my wall unit), so thanks for this video!
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
just curious about the in-ceiling speaker audio quality. they look small, whereas the wall-mounted atmos speaker is bigger. do the in-ceiling speakers produce audio the same as the wall-mounted unit?
Great video!!! What is the size of your room and ceiling height? It's interesting what is the angle between your listenning position and height speakers on the wall above the TV.
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
Hello there! Having atmos speakers on wall, what configuration mode is set in avr? In mine marantz sr8015, if you choose dolby ac, then you either choose upfiring(with height number) or on-ceiling. Or should I configure them as 'height' speakers?
If your speakers have a switch on the back, as my Klipsch does, make sure that it's switched to height if it's on the wall or Atmos if upfiring...it chances the frequency response of the speaker depending on the switch position. When I added my heights, my Denon determined what they were by the position I told them they were in and I guess it adjusts the mix specifically for the configuration.
I had the prime elevation and I like them for atmos. I had them al away up on way wall. but I found the Polk OWM3 and since the are kinda flat I installed them on the ceiling (I don’t want to make holes) and I’m glad I got them the sound is way better and the price you can beat that.
I agree! I have a pair of those Klipsch towers with built-in Dolby Atmos speakers and I have a pair of Klipsch RS41SA's sitting on top of my Klipsch RBf61 II's bookshelf speakers sitting on stands. I had to adjust the sound for these speakers and I just new that changing to Height speakers would make a huge difference. Sure enough, I bought two pairs of the Definitive Technology 800's for my heights and I won't be going back. However, I can connect these Klipsch speakers for Auro-3D setup. I have to add the voice of god center channel speaker too. BTW: I was waiting for the white guy to step out in front of the camera until I saw the black guy adjusting the speaker. Dude, I know you get grief over that one.....LOL Thanks for the upload!
For tenants, in an apartment, upfiring is the ONLY way to go. Landlord will balk at my attempt at the wall hang - if I choose that method - or tenants above my apartment will quickly come knocking to tell me to take the speaker down if I drill and place a ceiling speaker. I have to compromise and settle for upfiring on top of my L and R towers. I have a PSB upfiring on top of all PSBs 5.1.2 config. hanging off a Denon. Works perfect. I am happy with the result.
How about Atmos as front heights and use existing left, right and center in-ceiling speakers? Will they interfere ? Right now I have atmos on the tv stand behind the tv upfiring and I think that's pretty pointless
You'd be correct about it being just about useless. Front heights are fine and most common. I never recommend LCR speakers in the ceiling. They will 100% interfere and your ear will tell your brain that everything is above you
@@Kpaceguy thanks. Yeah they were up in the ceiling before i bought the house... the surrounds are in the ceiling too between seating position. now trying to figure out where to place atmos.
Great video. I noticed you have SVS speakers for the rear surrounds (Atmos) and the Canton's for the front. I understand about timbre matching the speakers but is it really necessary since we're just talking about sound effects?
On your setup for the atmos speakers what are you using to hang them on wall like that ? Just a nail or wall mounts ? Cuz I have them on my my floor speakers lol this is my first setup and my ceiling is slanted so yeah lol
Kpaceguy ok perfect I think I can convince my old lady to let me go this route cuz she sure wasn’t happy about me putting wall mounts for the surrounds on the side🤦🏽♂️ but a little nail won’t hurt 😏. Thanks for the quick reply !
Kpaceguy nice comparison vid but beware your ceiling is heavily TEXTURED rather than smooth - it’s no wonder that ATMOS ceiling reflections to your seating position are scattered and thus significantly attenuated. Keep up the great content !
Hello, Kpaceguy can tell me at what height surround and surround back speakers are placed in a 7.2.4 setup for a listening position sitting on a single 3-seat sofa. I don't know if they are all above ear level (1-2 feet) or exactly everyone is at ear level Thank you
@@kira5348 in a Atmos/DTS X set up the side surrounds and back surrounds should be at ear level. If 3 people in the seating position as in your case then it's recommended to move the side surrounds slightly further forward along or on the side walls. With them then angled so that the sound hits all 3 people.
Thanks for being honest. I use Polk OWM3 on ceiling. Did you notice a big difference adding a second pair of Atmos? Have you considered not toeing in your speakers? I find I get a wider sound stage when I don't.
No better way than overhead 👌🤘👍. Especially when you have a great Atmos receiver that you can customize each speaker based on your listening position, really immersive 👍
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
@jjcps3 I'm using the Sony AZ5000ES. It's spectacular! I had Denon, Onkyo and tried out Arkam and Anthem, the Sony has the best spacial separation hands down. It also does wonders for mixes 7.1 and below. Makes Atmos sound from mixes that don't have Atmos.
Thanks for shedding light on this - I see the floor version of Atmos speakers as generating interference to the sound, because sound has the ability to get to your ear directly from them before the reflected sound does... Anyway, my question for you is, how does Atmos Virtualisation(without overhead speakers)compare to true Atmos(with overheard speakers)? & I would like to know this because the answer could save me having to buy & install the latter... What can you tell me? O.O
@@Kpaceguy Thanks... Well in that case - here's what I intend to do(of which I hope the concept helps you): I intend to install an iron pipe from wall to wall across the centre of my room & bolt the speakers onto it... =] I however......do not have a fan at the centre of my room ceiling though... o.O
I have a 7 channel avr it supports 5.1.2 and i have a 10 foot ceiling.Can i get away with wallmounting only front high speakers ore should i try reflection?
Yes you'll either have to mount it on a side wall or have your couch pulled off the wall so that it meets with your speakers. Ultimately the best option is to ceiling mount
My question is, i noticed you have your mlp against the back wall. I want to know how those svs prime elevations sound with it being like that, because i am thinking about ordering some of them and doing the same thing. Did you try hanging them on the side walls firing down at you? Thank you for sharing.
In general, atmos speakers sounds best if the speakers are directed upwards so that you cannot hear from which speaker the sound is coming from. When it comes to front and rear speakers, you get a clearer surround effect if they are not aimed at where you are sitting, with a measuring microphone connected to the amplifier you get a very good system, but in a living room ceiling speakers are unnecessary, unless the room is very large
Auro 3D, has a different way of producing sound. Putting 4 speakers in the ceiling only works for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. Auro 3D works either with 2 or 3 layers. (3th one being the VoG "voice of G'D" in-ceiling speaker) honestely, I like the speaker layout more from Auro 3D. But you can't go wrong with either of them.
Are that Better than the Klipsch Version??and Your Height Speaker's, Better than the Svs Prime Elevated Speakers?? What Exactly are the Speakers You Have?? Can I Get Them off Amazon Ect???
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I have a 5.2.2 in my garage. Instead of going through the trouble of fishing wire in the wall, i used Polk Audio RC80i that i already had mounted inside a 10in slim truck sub box and mounted that on the ceiling. I painted speakers black to match so in the garage they dont look bad at all 😜
Very good video but from what I heard you are not entirely correct about the in-ceiling speakers. It is definitely the best setup for Atmos and most likely also DTS:X but it is not gonna work with Auro 3D. Auro can only be enabled when your speakers are defined as front height and rear height in your AVR as far as I know. But I haven‘t tried that myself and don‘t have a chance to do so. Maybe you could just as a test label them as in-ceiling and try if the Auro-Matic can still be enabled. That would be very interesting. Thanks, man!
If u have issues with making holes in the ceiling, then upfiriing speakers work the best. Bonus if you have a shorter ceiling height. Its a compromise but practical for many of us.
So there is a space between your ceiling and the above apartment floor. However, the complex probably doesnt want you cutting into it. That being said if they allow it, and some might, go for it. I am looking at doing it in a 1980s built house with the master bedroom over it. My hesitation is the master bedroom above. So I am looking into cans and shoving rockwool in the bay above the can. When I redo the floor in the bedroom above I already have an underlayment that is foam I am going to lay down. Ultimately, I want the home theater to go into a 24x24 addition that has 6 inches of spray foam insulation around it. It is an attic over top so sound should not be a problem. That is a few years off due to funding / manpower. I use the area as storage since it is easier than walking up and down some stairs to a three foot attic.
0:45 guess get your friend Holly "the keeper" to assist by holding these so called "atmos speakers" by hand then lifting it or moving it around get the idea? Otherwise Overhead surround or a speaker which it is as there isn't any black-magic in it, its a speaker for reproducing sound. Oh and Overhead surround on the ceiling isn't new its old idea that dates back to late 1950s woth Todd-AO Cinerama as I have been listening to it in the 1970s with Star Wars, Yes Star Wars with a Dolby Stereo CP50 at the local odeon cinema.
@@Kpaceguy I just ordered a Marantz 6014 and an Elac Debut 2.0, 7,1 (DF 6.2 Fronts, DF 5.2 rears, DC6.2 Center, SUB3010 subwoofer and DOW42 sides. I was thinking about maybe using the DOW42s as atmos instead if sides or replacing them with A42 atmos speakers aiming down at the couch from the sides
@@Kpaceguy yeah i plan on just getting the 5.1 down (i have been doing 5.1 since Dolby was Pro Logic lol) then experiment from there with a 6 & 7 or Atmos
Guys they need to be directly mounted in the ceiling - some where between the wall where the tv is mounted and towards / over the seating position - then you’ll hear amazing sound affects . If you google the Dolby Atmos picture you’ll see how they suggest to mount the atmos speakers- also try using Monitor Audio IDC 380 in ceiling speakers .
@@Kpaceguy granted I understand your point however there are options - landlord or even home owners - it’s called build a box from wood or other - I used a metal framing system called Kinook ( they have afrw TH-cam videos ) I started from the chimney ( or you start from the wall with the tv ) out into the room , then plasterboard it and create a small focal point in ceiling , ceiling speakers can then be mounted in this area - then surround the box with l e d lights - it’s what I’d did in my own home .
Hello. I have bought 2 pairs of Quadral A5. I currently use them as dolby enabled speakers in a 5.1.4HT , however i dont get the feeling that sound is coming from above. Thats why i want to hang them in the ceiling (in the right positions according to Dolby) and use them as direct firing speakers. Do you know if Quadrals A5 are suitable for mounting them in the ceiling? They have a keyhole mount in the back.
@@Kpaceguy they do have mounting brackets with a keyhole mount on. The problem is that i dont know if can be attached into the ceiling safely. ibb.co/r2xzj8Q
Hi man. So sorry for my bad english =p I speak with so many forums for dolby atmos. And he say my instal is not good, and weird for dolby atmos. Or my instal is exact same of you !!! So i am right, dolby atmos be use in front height ! But your ampli, you use "front hight" or dolby atmos in reflex" if you have audyssey ? So thanks for your video
@@Kpaceguy yeah for me is better. But i see if i chose in option front height i dont have the réal dolby atmos, we need take dolby atmos in reflection in option.
I’ve tried on the wall front and back and it was good. When I went overhead ..... it was night and day difference! I have 2 atmos dts x 11.2 systems and both have the heights mounted in the ceiling! That’s absolutely the best way.
But DTS X cannot do top middle speaker or in ceiling speakers if possible. Then the next options is height front and back speakers. Bounce speakers are fine but less immersive
I use Kef upfiring speakers and think they are very good. I really don't want to cut holes in my ceiling...I may change my mind at somestage but I like the sound of the Kef's.
I wouldn't use upward firing speakers. Tbh with my existing set up I kind of can't anyways (not that I want to) as my front left and right speakers aren't flat on top they are curved. Upward firing speakers are the effect of atmos not a true representation of the sound format atmos.
@@taghridelsisi7460 ehhh dolby atmos sound bars have yet to really convince me. I mean, you'll hear that 3D atmos effect but not anywhere near the way you would with a dedicated system.
@@Kpaceguy so did you just turn down the subs individually and the neighbors were fine? Or just turn them down during certain times of day only? Thanks!
There not that mean movie that requires the overhead in the cell there maybe a couple movie ceiling speaker I think it best to do front and back ceiling
I cannot do ceiling speakers due to the position of the ceiling joists and HVAC. I am forced to use ceiling bounce speakers. Please read this now and comprehend it later: bounce speakers are a gimmick. Dolby claiming that bounce speakers reflect sound off the ceiling to the MLP is like claiming that you can mount the center speaker behind the MLP that points toward a sidewall and the dialogue will reflect off the wall toward the MLP. One friend has four in ceiling speakers. Another friend mounted four repurposed Bose cubes onto his ceiling. Atmos and X in their rooms absolutely destroy the bounce speakers in mine. There is no comparison, I would even go so far as to state that unless you can do in ceiling or on ceiling speakers, don’t waste time or money on bounce speakers.
How to setup dts:x? Lets start from this, that DTS X is for headphones ;p Overall for speakers you dont need any of them, you need good hardwere and 8 speakers. Virtual is good for headphones to simulate surround.
@@Kpaceguy you literally have an entire youtube channel dedicated to audio, and made a twelve minute video on configuration of Atmos speakers, but you don't care enough to do some maths? I was being facetious with my initial comment but wow 🤷🏻♂️
i have tried Height front, in-ceiling but finally Nothing i found complicated once I placed My Pair of Sony-SS-CSE on top of Vintage HEKO Tower speakers with 1.10Meter's manually measured height between Dolby Enabled speakers to ceiling for up firing effects & i started experiencing tornados, Hurricanes, Bullets, Glass Cracklings, rain & Thunder , Choppers, Airplanes, & Chirping of birds all around me, to experience ATMOS we do not require 11-13.blah blah speaker setups, we just need 5.1 with 2 additional Dolby Atmos enabled Modules, though you need more if you have very large rooms,
@@dlt21 Height of atmos speakers must be at least 3ft above front speakers and must low around 12 inch from ceiling, If you have Audessey calibration setup in ur AVR and keep 1.5DB in plus over audessey set levels, hope it will help. . Cheers
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Dude! You are the most trusted voice in home theater on you tube. I watch a few videos out there and still question applying those techniques. Watch your videos and without thinking twice I immediately trust your advice and apply it.
I greatly appreciate that thank you
Mount the ATMOS speakers in search light stands. That way you can change angle, height, direction and position for the perfect rebound sound.
I went through all 3 options before finally settling with in ceiling. I had the cheap onkyo up firing atmos modules in a 5.2.2. Eventually upgraded receiver for a 5.2.4 and went with Sony atmos modules. Of course it was a lot better and you could hear the atmos effects more clearly. The speakers were also able to be wall mounted like option 2. I tried it and honestly, the up firing sounded better.
I did very light testing I'll admit but during those tests, the up firing sounded better. It was as if the sound was being lost with the wall option. It didn't sound like things were above me the way the up firing made it seem. My only guess is that maybe if the on the walls could've been towed in like you mentioned in the video, it would be better sounding.
I now have klipsch cdt-5650-c IIs in the ceiling and it's obviously the best way to experience dolby atmos. I want to do more testing with them since they have adjustable tweeters and woofers. For now I have them facing the MLP. I wanna try woofers pointing down with tweeters aimed at ears and see what kind of experience I get. Most in ceiling speakers just point straight down so it has me wondering.
I just want the best sound possible for my setup and room. I've gotten so obsessed with atmos that I usually play atmos demos for a couple minutes before watching movies just to "make sure it's working". I just love how more immersive this technology is. Too bad I get distracted easily by the atmos effects going on. Seriously an awesome way to experience movies and shows at home.
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
@@jjcps3 phew, commenting on a 4 yr old comment lol. Well, I'm pretty heavily biased towards onkyo receivers. In the span of 8 years, I've gone through about 5 different receivers for various different setups. 4 of them were onkyos and one was a pioneer. I'm currently using an onkyo txnr7100 which is a 9 channel receiver for a 5.x.4 atmos setup. I honestly just like the onkyo UI and the prices they go for. I really would've wanted to get an onkyo rz50 but there was a huge shortage during the troubled times a couple years back 😷.
I recommend you set yourself a budget and just go for the best bang for your buck in that price range. Also don't be afraid to try a used or refurbed receiver. 3 of my onkyo (696, 787, 797) receivers and the pioneer(LX503) were used off of ebay.
Now, I would say go for something that has the latest features such as hdmi 2.1, earc support and dirac live room correction etc etc . Get a 9 channel to at least have a 5.x.4 which is a great balanced configuration. You at least want 4 atmos.
If I were to go for a receiver right now, I'd honestly say get an onkyo rz50. It's 1000 new or 750 refurbed w/1yr warranty on ebay as I'm writing this. My reasoning is you get all the newest features and some future proofing. If you want to upgrade in the future, you can go up to a 7.x.4 or 5.1.6(6 atmos speakers is apparently the absolute best way to experience atmos). You can also upgrade and use separates (amplifiers) with this receiver if you want the extra juice for your speakers. If you're a gamer, you can get 4k 120hz output. I can go on and on. So yea, I'd go for the rz50 or any receiver from 2022 and up. As long as you have those features, you should be good for the next 5-10 years. If you're going for something brand new then they're all pretty much the same if they're priced the same. It really comes down to preference to brand or User inyerface at that point.
Hello again Kpaceguy, as we talk about yesterday I bought my first Marantz Receiver, model SR6012. But unfortunately not good as what I expected, feel like my Pioneer Elite gives me more sound effects. I assume I might haven't done it perfectly. I using 7 channels 5.1.2 for Dolby atmos. Should I choose 9 channel or 7 channel Bi-amp one? and what about 100hz or 80? I use DefTech speakers. Can you give me some advice? thanks.
I just made a small adjustment to my heights and it made a huge difference (IMHO). After watching several You-Tube videos and talking to Klipsch, I ad-libbed and took some 1x2 tomato stakes skinny-side from the basement and wedged them along the outside edges of my front RP500SAs to angle them in more towards my listening position instead of straight out 3 ft to either side of my single chair listening position to more-or-less match my main speaker toe-in (I don't have anything in the back except my surrounds because the chair is against the wall). I proceeded to test them out with Terminator: Salvation and it sounded great with my 7.2.2 setup. I thought I had the AVR set to Direct, but it added the heights to the mix on it's own to "Multi-channel plus Dolby Surround." I haven't run them through Odyssey yet. I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make, but I will probably do it later this week. Maybe I'll put on Ready: Player One or Saving Private Ryan and see ow it goes. I can't put anything in the ceiling and/or don't want to go through the trouble in my small basement bedroom.
Glad you mentioned the bookshelf speakers mounted at an angle being a good option as thats what I was going with I feel little more confident with that decision now.
Whats really hard to find and understand is do Atmos enabled receivers know if the speakers being used are actual Atmos speakers or not?
Is there something that translates from the speaker to tell the receiver if its Atmos enabled or not.
Or does the receiver just treat the chosen speaker set as Atmos if that’s what you choose in the setting?
Asking because I have purchased bookshelf speakers for this purpose as they are more on the affordable side.
The receiver can't detect anything. It plays the same signal regardless and calibrates it accordingly. Speakers are labeled as "atmos" because they are designed specifically for that purpose and no other
Can i put brackets in and have a bookshelf speaker IN THE CEILING? No one has an answer
@@stevenmetz5363 you could use bookshelf wall brackets right at the top of the wall. The ones that let you tilt angle the speaker in any direction.
Then you can angle the bookshelfs right down at the floor. But it won't be anywhere near as clean tidy looking as proper in ceiling atmos speakers.
@@C--A I got the speakers in the ceiling. Just used standard ceiling speakers. I wanted to put the grills in the ceiling and put a bookshelf in the attic. (So It'd look like traditional height speakers)
I have 6 dali alteco c-1 speakers for atmos, wall mounted 3" from ceiling
How exactly did you install the speakers? What screw, etc
Thickest you can insert into the key hole
Many thanks. Well explained. I was looking for a video just like yours.
I appreciate it
I have Prime Elevations mounted as front an rear heights. I noticed that your couch is pretty close to the back wall. My couch is a bit under 3 feet from my back wall. I'm sure that ideally our couches should be well forward of the wall but that's not possible. Givej that, after you run room correction, do you adjust the gain on your front and rear heights? Since your MLP is so close to the rears, what kind of gain adjustments on them do you make, if any, to give them more breathing room from where you sit?
Correct. And add delay
@MrNorcal81 well you'd decrease not increase but that's not the way to do it necessarily. You'd take a dsp and add milliseconds of delay. Kind of like the way lipsync works on a TV.
@@Kpaceguy Without getting into using a DSP (it's too bad that AVRs don't have an audio delay setting for each channel), I did decrease my rear heights distance by 4 feet and definitely got a more immersive "bubble of sound" from the middle of the couch. I'll try 5 feet and , if it's even a bit better, stop there. Thanks and keep up the good work. Your videos are always informative.
@@MrNorcal81 I appreciate it
I'm not running Atmos because putting speakers on the top of the ceilings and running wire is too much gad damn work for my lazy ass. Lol
you can get upward firing speakers that is what I did has long has you don't have a angle ceiling or a very high ceiling
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I actually have the Klipsch Reference 5.1 Home Theater Speakers, and I used 2 of the satellite speakers above my LG CX 65 inch TV for the Dolby Atmos. I also bought 2 Klipsch R-41M Bookshelf speakers to act as my Front L and R and put them on stands, then used the rest of the speakers and subwoofer accordingly (SS L + R, Center, SW). I checked this video to confirm the angle of how I should point the satellite speakers down towards the listening area (right now the slight elevated - more straight angled on top of my wall unit), so thanks for this video!
Just installed a 2 pair of B&W in ceiling speakers. The sound is fantastic. Definitely the best way to install them is in the ceiling if you can.
Which model B&w did you go with?
@@ImportLenz i went with the bowers and wilkins CCM662
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
just curious about the in-ceiling speaker audio quality. they look small, whereas the wall-mounted atmos speaker is bigger. do the in-ceiling speakers produce audio the same as the wall-mounted unit?
Thats a really good point . Most look like tiny tinny speakers but ill have a look at some specs . But that is a v good point.
Great video!!! What is the size of your room and ceiling height? It's interesting what is the angle between your listenning position and height speakers on the wall above the TV.
13ftx27ft with 8ft ceiling. Pretty close to a 45 degree angle
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
@jjcps3 Any receiver now a days is a good one. Yamaha, denon and marantz probably top the charts
Hello there! Having atmos speakers on wall, what configuration mode is set in avr? In mine marantz sr8015, if you choose dolby ac, then you either choose upfiring(with height number) or on-ceiling. Or should I configure them as 'height' speakers?
Configure as height
If your speakers have a switch on the back, as my Klipsch does, make sure that it's switched to height if it's on the wall or Atmos if upfiring...it chances the frequency response of the speaker depending on the switch position. When I added my heights, my Denon determined what they were by the position I told them they were in and I guess it adjusts the mix specifically for the configuration.
Hey Bro,
Great set up. Whats your room dimensions?
I had the prime elevation and I like them for atmos. I had them al away up on way wall.
but I found the Polk OWM3 and since the are kinda flat I installed them on the ceiling (I don’t want to make holes) and I’m glad I got them the sound is way better and the price you can beat that.
Fire set up brother 🔥💪🏽🙌🏾I see that Svs subwoofer 🔊 🔥🙌🏾💪🏽💪🏽
Its pretty sweet but I got rid of it lol
i use the focal sib evo 5.1.2 version with the front speakers having integrated speakers on top. still struggling to figure out
I agree! I have a pair of those Klipsch towers with built-in Dolby Atmos speakers and I have a pair of Klipsch RS41SA's sitting on top of my Klipsch RBf61 II's bookshelf speakers sitting on stands. I had to adjust the sound for these speakers and I just new that changing to Height speakers would make a huge difference. Sure enough, I bought two pairs of the Definitive Technology 800's for my heights and I won't be going back. However, I can connect these Klipsch speakers for Auro-3D setup. I have to add the voice of god center channel speaker too. BTW: I was waiting for the white guy to step out in front of the camera until I saw the black guy adjusting the speaker. Dude, I know you get grief over that one.....LOL Thanks for the upload!
For tenants, in an apartment, upfiring is the ONLY way to go. Landlord will balk at my attempt at the wall hang - if I choose that method - or tenants above my apartment will quickly come knocking to tell me to take the speaker down if I drill and place a ceiling speaker. I have to compromise and settle for upfiring on top of my L and R towers. I have a PSB upfiring on top of all PSBs 5.1.2 config. hanging off a Denon. Works perfect. I am happy with the result.
How about Atmos as front heights and use existing left, right and center in-ceiling speakers? Will they interfere ? Right now I have atmos on the tv stand behind the tv upfiring and I think that's pretty pointless
You'd be correct about it being just about useless. Front heights are fine and most common. I never recommend LCR speakers in the ceiling. They will 100% interfere and your ear will tell your brain that everything is above you
@@Kpaceguy thanks. Yeah they were up in the ceiling before i bought the house... the surrounds are in the ceiling too between seating position. now trying to figure out where to place atmos.
Great video. I noticed you have SVS speakers for the rear surrounds (Atmos) and the Canton's for the front. I understand about timbre matching the speakers but is it really necessary since we're just talking about sound effects?
I can honestly hear a difference. But it's not nearly as important as the front 3 speakers
On your setup for the atmos speakers what are you using to hang them on wall like that ? Just a nail or wall mounts ? Cuz I have them on my my floor speakers lol this is my first setup and my ceiling is slanted so yeah lol
A screw
Kpaceguy ok perfect I think I can convince my old lady to let me go this route cuz she sure wasn’t happy about me putting wall mounts for the surrounds on the side🤦🏽♂️ but a little nail won’t hurt 😏. Thanks for the quick reply !
Kpaceguy nice comparison vid but beware your ceiling is heavily TEXTURED rather than smooth - it’s no wonder that ATMOS ceiling reflections to your seating position are scattered and thus significantly attenuated. Keep up the great content !
Thank you!
Hello, Kpaceguy
can tell me at what height surround and surround back speakers are placed in a 7.2.4 setup for a listening position sitting on a single 3-seat sofa.
I don't know if they are all above ear level (1-2 feet) or exactly everyone is at ear level
Thank you
Always at ear level for best performance.
I also had a 3 seat sofa, my side speaker install adove ear level so that my left and right buddy will not block the sound of path to centre seat.
@@kira5348 in a Atmos/DTS X set up the side surrounds and back surrounds should be at ear level.
If 3 people in the seating position as in your case then it's recommended to move the side surrounds slightly further forward along or on the side walls. With them then angled so that the sound hits all 3 people.
Ceiling first, top of wall close second. On top of speaker dead last.
Thanks for being honest. I use Polk OWM3 on ceiling. Did you notice a big difference adding a second pair of Atmos? Have you considered not toeing in your speakers? I find I get a wider sound stage when I don't.
No better way than overhead 👌🤘👍. Especially when you have a great Atmos receiver that you can customize each speaker based on your listening position, really immersive 👍
Hi, I am struggling to find a good atmos receiver ( they always seem to suggest/promote soundbar home theaters) what receiver are you using? Or which one do you recommend?
@jjcps3
I'm using the Sony AZ5000ES.
It's spectacular!
I had Denon, Onkyo and tried out Arkam and Anthem, the Sony has the best spacial separation hands down.
It also does wonders for mixes 7.1 and below. Makes Atmos sound from mixes that don't have Atmos.
@@kman9387 great! Thank you!
@@jjcps3
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Thanks for shedding light on this - I see the floor version of Atmos speakers as generating interference to the sound, because sound has the ability to get to your ear directly from them before the reflected sound does... Anyway, my question for you is, how does Atmos Virtualisation(without overhead speakers)compare to true Atmos(with overheard speakers)? & I would like to know this because the answer could save me having to buy & install the latter... What can you tell me? O.O
Nothing compares to overhead speakers. It's night and day
@@Kpaceguy Thanks... Well in that case - here's what I intend to do(of which I hope the concept helps you): I intend to install an iron pipe from wall to wall across the centre of my room & bolt the speakers onto it... =] I however......do not have a fan at the centre of my room ceiling though... o.O
I have a 7 channel avr it supports 5.1.2 and i have a 10 foot ceiling.Can i get away with wallmounting only front high speakers ore should i try reflection?
Definitely wall mount
I would love to mount it directly above the ceiling but those wires wont be easy to hide
Is there a way to mount your rear heights so the are aimed at mlp instead of the middle of the room?
Yes you'll either have to mount it on a side wall or have your couch pulled off the wall so that it meets with your speakers. Ultimately the best option is to ceiling mount
I tried mounted on wall instead of the top of the speakers and yes it's night and day
My question is, i noticed you have your mlp against the back wall. I want to know how those svs prime elevations sound with it being like that, because i am thinking about ordering some of them and doing the same thing. Did you try hanging them on the side walls firing down at you? Thank you for sharing.
I didn't like them on the sidewall it sounded too much like side surrounds
Thank you for responding. Do they sound good on your back wall with the mlp so close?
@@woosa42 yes the were intended this way
I have my Svs prime elevation speakers on my side wall sound great with Dolby Atmos great sound effects
In general, atmos speakers sounds best if the speakers are directed upwards so that you cannot hear from which speaker the sound is coming from. When it comes to front and rear speakers, you get a clearer surround effect if they are not aimed at where you are sitting, with a measuring microphone connected to the amplifier you get a very good system, but in a living room ceiling speakers are unnecessary, unless the room is very large
Auro 3D, has a different way of producing sound. Putting 4 speakers in the ceiling only works for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. Auro 3D works either with 2 or 3 layers. (3th one being the VoG "voice of G'D" in-ceiling speaker) honestely, I like the speaker layout more from Auro 3D. But you can't go wrong with either of them.
Are that Better than the Klipsch Version??and Your Height Speaker's, Better than the Svs Prime Elevated Speakers?? What Exactly are the Speakers You Have?? Can I Get Them off Amazon Ect???
Everything about the canton ventos are better than klipsch and svs
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I have a 5.2.2 in my garage. Instead of going through the trouble of fishing wire in the wall, i used Polk Audio RC80i that i already had mounted inside a 10in slim truck sub box and mounted that on the ceiling. I painted speakers black to match so in the garage they dont look bad at all 😜
What receiver do u recommend! Denon or Yamaha?
I like them both equally with denon having the better room calibration
Ok this video answered the question I asked on the other video lol...thanks! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Lol very good
Very good video but from what I heard you are not entirely correct about the in-ceiling speakers. It is definitely the best setup for Atmos and most likely also DTS:X but it is not gonna work with Auro 3D. Auro can only be enabled when your speakers are defined as front height and rear height in your AVR as far as I know. But I haven‘t tried that myself and don‘t have a chance to do so. Maybe you could just as a test label them as in-ceiling and try if the Auro-Matic can still be enabled. That would be very interesting. Thanks, man!
Was he talking about Auro 3D?
I have never heard of auro. Is that a European thing?
If u have issues with making holes in the ceiling, then upfiriing speakers work the best. Bonus if you have a shorter ceiling height.
Its a compromise but practical for many of us.
So there is a space between your ceiling and the above apartment floor. However, the complex probably doesnt want you cutting into it. That being said if they allow it, and some might, go for it. I am looking at doing it in a 1980s built house with the master bedroom over it. My hesitation is the master bedroom above. So I am looking into cans and shoving rockwool in the bay above the can. When I redo the floor in the bedroom above I already have an underlayment that is foam I am going to lay down. Ultimately, I want the home theater to go into a 24x24 addition that has 6 inches of spray foam insulation around it. It is an attic over top so sound should not be a problem. That is a few years off due to funding / manpower. I use the area as storage since it is easier than walking up and down some stairs to a three foot attic.
Hi, what kind of absorber is behined speakers?
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@@Kpaceguy tnx, keep good work
What's the distance between the floor standing speakers
Mine is close to 6 feet
0:45 guess get your friend Holly "the keeper" to assist by holding these so called "atmos speakers" by hand then lifting it or moving it around get the idea? Otherwise Overhead surround or a speaker which it is as there isn't any black-magic in it, its a speaker for reproducing sound. Oh and Overhead surround on the ceiling isn't new its old idea that dates back to late 1950s woth Todd-AO Cinerama as I have been listening to it in the 1970s with Star Wars, Yes Star Wars with a Dolby Stereo CP50 at the local odeon cinema.
what is your opinion. 7.1 , 5.1.2 or 5.1.4? So 7.1 or a Atmos system?
Always go atmos if you can do it correctly
@@Kpaceguy I just ordered a Marantz 6014 and an Elac Debut 2.0, 7,1 (DF 6.2 Fronts, DF 5.2 rears, DC6.2 Center, SUB3010 subwoofer and DOW42 sides. I was thinking about maybe using the DOW42s as atmos instead if sides or replacing them with A42 atmos speakers aiming down at the couch from the sides
@@Kpaceguy yeah i plan on just getting the 5.1 down (i have been doing 5.1 since Dolby was Pro Logic lol) then experiment from there with a 6 & 7 or Atmos
Guys they need to be directly mounted in the ceiling - some where between the wall where the tv is mounted and towards / over the seating position - then you’ll hear amazing sound affects . If you google the Dolby Atmos picture you’ll see how they suggest to mount the atmos speakers- also try using Monitor Audio IDC 380 in ceiling speakers .
Not everyone can do that
@@Kpaceguy granted I understand your point however there are options - landlord or even home owners - it’s called build a box from wood or other - I used a metal framing system called Kinook ( they have afrw TH-cam videos ) I started from the chimney ( or you start from the wall with the tv ) out into the room , then plasterboard it and create a small focal point in ceiling , ceiling speakers can then be mounted in this area - then surround the box with l e d lights - it’s what I’d did in my own home .
i place a pair of old bose speakers a foot away from the fan and the sound is fantastic
Hello. I have bought 2 pairs of Quadral A5. I currently use them as dolby enabled speakers in a 5.1.4HT , however i dont get the feeling that sound is coming from above. Thats why i want to hang them in the ceiling (in the right positions according to Dolby) and use them as direct firing speakers. Do you know if Quadrals A5 are suitable for mounting them in the ceiling? They have a keyhole mount in the back.
If you can find mounting brackets then they'll be fine
@@Kpaceguy they do have mounting brackets with a keyhole mount on. The problem is that i dont know if can be attached into the ceiling safely.
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Hi man. So sorry for my bad english =p
I speak with so many forums for dolby atmos. And he say my instal is not good, and weird for dolby atmos. Or my instal is exact same of you !!!
So i am right, dolby atmos be use in front height !
But your ampli, you use "front hight" or dolby atmos in reflex" if you have audyssey ?
So thanks for your video
Front height is if your speakers are on it wall. It's not weird. It's the most common setup that most people use
@@Kpaceguy yeah for me is better. But i see if i chose in option front height i dont have the réal dolby atmos, we need take dolby atmos in reflection in option.
Atmos being object-based above is the best!
Bingo
9.4.2 setup?
I’ve tried on the wall front and back and it was good. When I went overhead ..... it was night and day difference! I have 2 atmos dts x 11.2 systems and both have the heights mounted in the ceiling! That’s absolutely the best way.
On the rear and ceiling it’s night day difference 👌
they are some nice speakers brother!
are you running 5.1 atmos or 7.1.
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Which Atmos speakers sound best, SVS or the others?
I like the canton ar800s
But DTS X cannot do top middle speaker or in ceiling speakers if possible. Then the next options is height front and back speakers. Bounce speakers are fine but less immersive
It can do more speakers than dolby atmos can
@@Kpaceguy yeah but for home use how much it will cost you for more than 11 channels
What do u think by putting them right and left side of highest point of the tv? Let me know what u think..!
Like inches from the corners of the tv?
@@Kpaceguy yes
@Kpaceguy My ceiling is like 9' high and my tv is like 7' high. U think it will be good if I put them right on the corners?
@@gerrylopez9060 would be pointless. Needs to be as close to the ceiling as possible. Sound needs to come from as high above you as you can get it
I use Kef upfiring speakers and think they are very good.
I really don't want to cut holes in my ceiling...I may change my mind at somestage but I like the sound of the Kef's.
7:18 That is my only option. Wifey hates speakers.
I wouldn't use upward firing speakers. Tbh with my existing set up I kind of can't anyways (not that I want to) as my front left and right speakers aren't flat on top they are curved. Upward firing speakers are the effect of atmos not a true representation of the sound format atmos.
What beautiful soundboxes tower but the space small.
Good thing I just moved!
You are starting a video with speakers placed on wall. Video was done the 1st second lol
I was going to buy Sonos arc specially for dolby atoms and now I am wondering
Is your room big?
@@Kpaceguy it's 7 meter × 6 meter and 4 meter cieling hight
@@taghridelsisi7460 ehhh dolby atmos sound bars have yet to really convince me. I mean, you'll hear that 3D atmos effect but not anywhere near the way you would with a dedicated system.
Have you ever had the neighbors complain about sound transfer?
In the 3 yrs I've been here i had one complaint my 1st year.
But that was because of the subs
@@Kpaceguy so did you just turn down the subs individually and the neighbors were fine? Or just turn them down during certain times of day only? Thanks!
@@MyFireVideos i didn't change anything settings wise I just kept the overall volume down
There not that mean movie that requires the overhead in the cell there maybe a couple movie ceiling speaker I think it best to do front and back ceiling
Thank you!
I have my Svs elevation speakers side by side wall. James c
Niceee sub, looks beefy af!
It’s a very expensive SVS sub
I put my Dolby atmos speakers on the wall up near the ceiling
Very nice! High five!
I cannot do ceiling speakers due to the position of the ceiling joists and HVAC. I am forced to use ceiling bounce speakers. Please read this now and comprehend it later: bounce speakers are a gimmick. Dolby claiming that bounce speakers reflect sound off the ceiling to the MLP is like claiming that you can mount the center speaker behind the MLP that points toward a sidewall and the dialogue will reflect off the wall toward the MLP.
One friend has four in ceiling speakers. Another friend mounted four repurposed Bose cubes onto his ceiling. Atmos and X in their rooms absolutely destroy the bounce speakers in mine. There is no comparison, I would even go so far as to state that unless you can do in ceiling or on ceiling speakers, don’t waste time or money on bounce speakers.
How to setup dts:x? Lets start from this, that DTS X is for headphones ;p
Overall for speakers you dont need any of them, you need good hardwere and 8 speakers. Virtual is good for headphones to simulate surround.
I love Dolby Atmos!
You got the same Michael Jackson picture vinyl I have.
Thank you
Nice intro..
Thank you
"There's really no way of knowing if they're the correct angle"
Err trigonometry? The speed of sound in air?
None of us cares that deeply
@@Kpaceguy you literally have an entire youtube channel dedicated to audio, and made a twelve minute video on configuration of Atmos speakers, but you don't care enough to do some maths? I was being facetious with my initial comment but wow 🤷🏻♂️
@@JJHammond correct. These speakers are built pre-angled and recommended a certain height vs distance. That math should be done for us
i have tried Height front, in-ceiling but finally Nothing i found complicated once I placed My Pair of Sony-SS-CSE on top of Vintage HEKO Tower speakers with 1.10Meter's manually measured height between Dolby Enabled speakers to ceiling for up firing effects & i started experiencing tornados, Hurricanes, Bullets, Glass Cracklings, rain & Thunder , Choppers, Airplanes, & Chirping of birds all around me, to experience ATMOS we do not require 11-13.blah blah speaker setups, we just need 5.1 with 2 additional Dolby Atmos enabled Modules, though you need more if you have very large rooms,
What DB are the atmos speakers set to..How much higher than your tower speakers DB?
@@dlt21 Height of atmos speakers must be at least 3ft above front speakers and must low around 12 inch from ceiling, If you have Audessey calibration setup in ur AVR and keep 1.5DB in plus over audessey set levels, hope it will help.
. Cheers
Should place them above. You angled
The Best way is to buy Drone Speaker wireless and move around your head
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Time to repaint the ceiling instead of buying 6000$ speakers 😅
Its a stipple ceiling, a poor idea they put in houses in the 70's-80's, Looks bad no matter what!
Thank you for the valuable advice, but man, your room is a mess.
Tons of projects everyday everywhere. Problem with a small place
Lol. Never on top of the speakers. Always up in the wall
Always the ceyling ;-)
@@orionzey i have my on the wall to the sound is very good with atmos speakers.
🌙🦗 no thanks
I have Sony str dn1080 but I don't have recommended dolb atmosphere speakers can I use any speaker to work as atmosphere speakers
You can