Liberty, if you ever take down these for any reason, I have already been uplifted and comforted beyond desxription thanks to your kindness and efforts.
i think everything about Julian in this last chapter hit harder than any of the other character revelations. For literally the entire book, he was portrayed as the beacon of innocence and light; the only person who was truly moral... then just to be revealed that he's just as awful as his students...
1:06:48 the missing part We looked at each other. “Where do you think he went?” I said. “How should I know?” “Do you think he just took off?” “Looks that way, doesn’t it?” We went back in the house-dim now with twilight-and sat by the window on a long davenport that had a sheet thrown over it. The warm air smelled like lilac. Across the lawn, we could hear Mr. Hatch trying to get the lawn mower started up again. Francis had his arms folded across the back of the davenport and his chin resting on his arms. He was looking out the window. “I don’t know what to do,” he said. “He’s stolen that truck, you know.” “Maybe he’ll be back.” “I’m afraid he’ll have a wreck. Or a cop will pull him over. I’ll bet you anything he’s plastered. That’s all he needs, getting stopped for drunk driving.” “Shouldn’t we go look for him?” “I wouldn’t know where to start. He could be halfway to Boston for all we know.” “What else can we do? Sit around and wait for the phone to ring?” First we tried the bars: the Farmer’s Inn, the Villager, the Boulder Tap and the Notty Pine. The Notch. The Four Squires. The Man of Kent. It was a hazy, gorgeous summer twilight and the gravel parking lots were packed with trucks but none of the trucks was Mr. Hatch’s. Just for the hell of it, we drove by the State Liquor Store. The aisles were bright and empty, splashy rum displays (“Tropical Island Sweepstakes!”) competing with somber, medicinal rows of vodka and gin. A cardboard cutout advertising wine coolers twirled from the ceiling. There were no customers, and a fat old Vermonter with a naked woman tattooed on his forearm was leaning against the cash register, passing time with a kid who worked at the Mini-Mart next door.
Oh wow , I thought I wanted to finish the book but now that I've finished it Idk I feel like I've lived with them as if they're people I know in my life , such an amazing book definitely will recommend ❤️
"We read not only because we cannot know enough people, but because friendship is so vulnerable, so likely to diminish or disappear, overcome by space, time, imperfect sympathies, and all the sorrows of familial and passional life." - Harold Bloom
I enjoyed this a lot, but Charles, Camilla and Francis may as well have been the same person. It's a shame Bunny got killed off so early he was the most interesting character besides Richard imo
There is so much I could say about this book. I could probably write a hundred essays about it. I think I will say here that Richard's allusions to Doctor Faustus are so striking, echoing his line about sin going unpunished and innocence lost - like his and his friends were - particularly because of what that story represents, which aligns well with "The Secret History." I will borrow this line from Eric Rasmussen and Ian DeJong, that is, "the cost of sin is always higher than its potential benefits, and the salvation of one's soul matters more than the ability to fly, to taunt the Pope or to conjure up Helen of Troy." Thank you for uploading this.
I can't believe Henry is dead. I never thought he would the one to die. Before he died i didn't even realize I grew so attached to him. I was fascinated by his character, wanted to know what he was thinking through all of this. What exactly was going on inside of his head. And Julian just packed his luggage and left? At first i thought this was all a elaborate plan by Julian. He and Henry being the mastermind behind this all and used the others to fullfill it and watched them in some sort of twisted enjoyment. But i was wrong. Henry seemed genuinely saddend and disappointed by Julian. Maybe someday in the future I will read the end part again if not the full novel. In short I enjoyed the book.
i also thought that Julian knew at least that they had killed bunny and was in on it in that sense, especially when he invited Richard to dinner and spoke of the mushrooms. it’s interesting how he handled this situation, i would love to read the book from Julian and Henry’s perspective!!
@@heatherbocksyou read the comments before finishing the audiobook and you’re mad?? Obviously people would be discussing the book, this is completely on you😭
That was amazing 4.5/5 read because of minor details but oh myyyyy god I cannot stop thinking about this book, about bunny about Henry about ghosts of the past haunting the future about passion and love but nature part of everyone for themselves. I didn’t feel the love Camilla had for Henry because the scene where Henry said how Richard and him are similar, how they didn’t care about people and things to the full extent. I just, wow, having a hard time writing out all my thoughts
Sometimes a book grabs you and tickles your curiosity before beginning to read it. The local library has had every copy out on loan and on hold by many people for months. Finally my curiosity has been quenched!
Good to hear about what happened to the family of the poor guy they murdered during their bachannal. I guess for Tartt, like her characters, that guy didn't merit a second thought.
the epilogue is in the voice of peter, so it would be out of character for him to bring it up, because as you say, the characters didn't give him a second thought.
@@cursedfurby8399 ikr! He's so fun. It's like you can never really hate him or be angry with him, like Richard said. He's just that kind of guy. A bit of innocence with false pride. Poor Buns♥️
@@i_took_a_chonceinnocence? Lmao, did you forget all the horrible things he had said? He was nothing but a pain in the ass. I know people like him irl. I promise you, they are the worst kind of people you will ever come across.
Do yourself a favor, AETHER documentary by Marcia Romalho youtube...history is all ai.. My lunch break, Lucius Aurelien, Jon levi, Mudd fossil University, youtube There's 5 channels that will help you understand how much we are being manipulated.
I have to agree all of the characters are so painstakingly mundane, it was a struggle to get through but oddly enough I feel this book reads more like a movie
perhaps you shouldn’t think your experience with the book is a universal one? just because you don’t care about them doesn’t mean it’s impossible, in fact, it’s very much possible 😉
imagine more than 1 set of fingers clicking the thumbs down on this and then going about the rest of their day/life thinking they are actually human beings
It’s scary that so many enjoy this book. These characters are sociopathic murderers. Detached from reality. And the narrator, Richard, from any other point of view would be considered the most vile creature on earth. A true Ted Bundy, devoid of emotion and remorse; all of his actions more than any of the others was all based on self preservation. What’s worse, the author made this character an impoverished kid from a no place town, just like Theo in the goldfinch, which makes me wonder if this author has an issue with the poorest of people in the US. The early epitaph where the author thanks Bret Easton Ellis is fitting, for both have an affinity for despising the lower classes. But she especially hides it so well from the “scholars” that read and adore her work. Maybe she is poking fun at them without their ever knowing; showing their ignorance and self-delusions? If so, she’s duped so many of you. This is a book that contains so many different perspectives and and none of them look very good. Thanks for posting the audiobook. Her voice is spectacular.
I mean, I see where you're coming from on the class remark, this is the first of Tartt's works I've consumed and have yet to even look into B.E.E., but I think it's wrong to assume people enjoy this book because they enjoy the characters. I myself grew to hate all of them except Camilla since she's so paper thin from Richard's pov that you can't really make any judgement call on it, but thoroughly enjoyed watching everything unfold how it did. None of them received any legal punishment for the crimes they committed, not including Charles' affinity to collect DUIs, but it's obvious that their lives are irrevocably fucked after the bacch-whatever. Anyways, storytelling is intriguing and there's something about getting a glimpse of a life you'll never live, it doesn't mean we should fear the widespread intrigue this book has garnered. Folks are allowed to enjoy stories about horrible people who do shitty things, it's escapism, it doesn't say any one thing about them.
She makes the point that they are detached from reality very clearly in how they’re ignorant to not only current events, but even much larger historical events, like the moon landing. She also drives the point of them being ghost like, time and time again, and that was alluded to even before she started repeating that point quite literally. As to not appreciating the lower classes, I believe you may have missed the idea that suggests the upper class as being even more vile, given that their wealth has rotted in them the conceited notion that they’re not only above those without, but also that they’re positioning through old money also means they’re above the few that may succeed in matching them from a monetary standpoint. I also think she tries to elevate Richard’s status with the group, even & especially Henry, who’s the wealthiest of them all, through a work ethic that’s seemingly rare in the real world, and among the five, save Henry, who’s supremely dedicated, albeit selfishly. As to Richard’s back story, I believe she carved out such a history given that one would be more likely to attached themselves to their group because they essentially became the family unit he never had. That attachment being the foundation as to why he was willing to not turn them in when he found out they were supposedly en route to Argentina, and definitely the reason he not only overlooked their murderous evening, but was also a willing participant in the eventual murder of Bunny, who’s conscious, and/or, selfishness, was about to put the rest of the group in peril by illuminating to the world that they had killed an innocent man while trespassing on his property. Conversely, creating Bunny with such vulgar tones allows for the reader to have a possible sympathy, and/or understanding, in the group’s efforts to kill him. All that said, and much more that I’ll pass on mentioning here, I think this book of hers wasn’t nearly as brilliant as, ‘The Goldfinch’. That’s not to say it’s a bad novel, and very far from it, as it was gripping throughout, but not nearly as symphonic, and tightly woven. I was also hoping for much more in the way of the title for which she chose to call it, though that may just be more of a personal disappointment, given my own interests in esoteric influences, and how such believes, and practices, have shaped, and continue to shape the world on such large scales; most of which is unbeknownst to the general population. I do however agree with your sentiments about her voice, which is beautifully soft, and delicate, and entirely alluring for lack of a better word.
I think all of them were terrible people, I enjoyed the book, don't get me wrong, but none of the "rich" characters were shown in a good light. And most of the poor ones, or rather normal people were shown as kinda sympathetic, or likeable. But I'm sure if we got to know them better we would have also learned that they're all terrible, not because higher class is better, but because in this books universe, every one is a bad person.
That's all. I might upload Lisa Taddeo's Animal read by Emma Roberts, later on.
Thank you!!! You’re the best 🙏🙏🙏
Liberty, if you ever take down these for any reason, I have already been uplifted and comforted beyond desxription thanks to your kindness and efforts.
Thank you!! So happy I could listen to this!! One question tho, why are there some missing parts from each vid? Thanks again ❤
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Thank you so much!!! Love, LOVE this book ...
Am I the only one who laughed when he said "my Paul Smith shirt."
I laughed as well 💀
Boy got shot but is worrying about his shirt🤣
no
i think everything about Julian in this last chapter hit harder than any of the other character revelations. For literally the entire book, he was portrayed as the beacon of innocence and light; the only person who was truly moral... then just to be revealed that he's just as awful as his students...
Worse. He created them. He chose vulnerable kids and molded them through manipulation. Same method as a sexual predator.
It was a rather fascinating twist of events however, don't you think?
1:06:48 the missing part
We looked at each other.
“Where do you think he went?” I said.
“How should I know?”
“Do you think he just took off?”
“Looks that way, doesn’t it?”
We went back in the house-dim now with twilight-and sat by the window on a long davenport that had a sheet thrown over it. The warm air smelled like lilac. Across the lawn, we could hear Mr. Hatch trying to get the lawn mower started up again.
Francis had his arms folded across the back of the davenport and his chin resting on his arms. He was looking out the window. “I don’t know what to do,” he said. “He’s stolen that truck, you know.”
“Maybe he’ll be back.”
“I’m afraid he’ll have a wreck. Or a cop will pull him over. I’ll bet you anything he’s plastered. That’s all he needs, getting stopped for drunk driving.”
“Shouldn’t we go look for him?”
“I wouldn’t know where to start. He could be halfway to Boston for all we know.”
“What else can we do? Sit around and wait for the phone to ring?”
First we tried the bars: the Farmer’s Inn, the Villager, the Boulder Tap and the Notty Pine. The Notch. The Four Squires. The Man of Kent. It was a hazy, gorgeous summer twilight and the gravel parking lots were packed with trucks but none of the trucks was Mr. Hatch’s.
Just for the hell of it, we drove by the State Liquor Store. The aisles were bright and empty, splashy rum displays (“Tropical Island Sweepstakes!”) competing with somber, medicinal rows of vodka and gin. A cardboard cutout advertising wine coolers twirled from the ceiling. There were no customers, and a fat old Vermonter with a naked woman tattooed on his forearm was leaning against the cash register, passing time with a kid who worked at the Mini-Mart next door.
God bless you
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Bless you
thanks! those missing/skipped parts in these recordings are really annoying
MANY MANY thanks for posting... THOROUGHLY enjoyable listening to the author herself tell her brilliant, fascinating and absorbing tale !!!
Very well written indeed....and yet I feel it could have been shortened by a 100 pages.
Oh wow , I thought I wanted to finish the book but now that I've finished it Idk I feel like I've lived with them as if they're people I know in my life , such an amazing book definitely will recommend ❤️
"We read not only because we cannot know enough people, but because friendship is so vulnerable, so likely to diminish or disappear, overcome by space, time, imperfect sympathies, and all the sorrows of familial and passional life."
- Harold Bloom
I enjoyed this a lot, but Charles, Camilla and Francis may as well have been the same person. It's a shame Bunny got killed off so early he was the most interesting character besides Richard imo
Honestly I kept forgetting the difference between Charles and Francis in the first part
@@Tampon_wrapper69 I feel like they were sufficiently differentiated towards the middle/end
There is so much I could say about this book. I could probably write a hundred essays about it. I think I will say here that Richard's allusions to Doctor Faustus are so striking, echoing his line about sin going unpunished and innocence lost - like his and his friends were - particularly because of what that story represents, which aligns well with "The Secret History." I will borrow this line from Eric Rasmussen and Ian DeJong, that is, "the cost of sin is always higher than its potential benefits, and the salvation of one's soul matters more than the ability to fly, to taunt the Pope or to conjure up Helen of Troy."
Thank you for uploading this.
Brilliant quotes, about the loss of innocence thank you. imho Guilt is the soul’s need for atonement and absolution. Without it we are lost.
Does Tartt offer the remedy?
I can't believe Henry is dead. I never thought he would the one to die. Before he died i didn't even realize I grew so attached to him. I was fascinated by his character, wanted to know what he was thinking through all of this. What exactly was going on inside of his head.
And Julian just packed his luggage and left? At first i thought this was all a elaborate plan by Julian. He and Henry being the mastermind behind this all and used the others to fullfill it and watched them in some sort of twisted enjoyment. But i was wrong. Henry seemed genuinely saddend and disappointed by Julian.
Maybe someday in the future I will read the end part again if not the full novel.
In short I enjoyed the book.
i also thought that Julian knew at least that they had killed bunny and was in on it in that sense, especially when he invited Richard to dinner and spoke of the mushrooms. it’s interesting how he handled this situation, i would love to read the book from Julian and Henry’s perspective!!
I read your comment before I had gotten to that part in the book and couldn't believe it and now I'm thoroughly devastated
Thanks for the spoiler with no warning 🙄
RIGHT!@@heatherbocks
@@heatherbocksyou read the comments before finishing the audiobook and you’re mad?? Obviously people would be discussing the book, this is completely on you😭
1:15:06 only 4 shots … I was hoping for 5, one for each of them to get it all over 😂
That was amazing 4.5/5 read because of minor details but oh myyyyy god I cannot stop thinking about this book, about bunny about Henry about ghosts of the past haunting the future about passion and love but nature part of everyone for themselves. I didn’t feel the love Camilla had for Henry because the scene where Henry said how Richard and him are similar, how they didn’t care about people and things to the full extent. I just, wow, having a hard time writing out all my thoughts
Sometimes a book grabs you and tickles your curiosity before beginning to read it. The local library has had every copy out on loan and on hold by many people for months. Finally my curiosity has been quenched!
Have any of you read The Likeness by Tana French?
Read it. In reference to this (and even without it) it’s fascinating. Characters, wishes, longings..
thank u so much for uploading. im crying, this book left me depressed, empty yet it was so worth it
I finished the entire book in like 4 days and its just so good.
I really appreciate your uploads !!! Thanks for this gift 🤗
I finished this amazing book
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Good to hear about what happened to the family of the poor guy they murdered during their bachannal. I guess for Tartt, like her characters, that guy didn't merit a second thought.
the epilogue is in the voice of peter, so it would be out of character for him to bring it up, because as you say, the characters didn't give him a second thought.
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I don't mean to be rude, but that french pronunciation hurts my ears
1:34:18 - the letter
Fuck I miss Bunny
I miss him too Bunny is just a fun character
@@cursedfurby8399 ikr! He's so fun. It's like you can never really hate him or be angry with him, like Richard said.
He's just that kind of guy. A bit of innocence with false pride. Poor Buns♥️
@@i_took_a_chonceinnocence? Lmao, did you forget all the horrible things he had said? He was nothing but a pain in the ass. I know people like him irl. I promise you, they are the worst kind of people you will ever come across.
Does anyone know what the song in the end is called?
33:40 🤣🤣🤣oh I love this Dean guy😂
I just finished :">
Thank you, Liberty, for uploading this.
Do yourself a favor, AETHER documentary by Marcia Romalho youtube...history is all ai..
My lunch break,
Lucius Aurelien,
Jon levi,
Mudd fossil University,
youtube
There's 5 channels that will help you understand how much we are being manipulated.
one of the best books i have ever read in my life ..
can you upload " if we were villians "by M.L.Rio.
after finishing this book, I feel like I’m going to cry, and scream, and laugh hysterically, and throw up and simply explode
It's impossible to care about any of these characters. As wonderfully written as the book is, they are venal, arch and wholly unsympathetic.
I love them.
They are us.
@@johndalton3180 amen
I have to agree all of the characters are so painstakingly mundane, it was a struggle to get through but oddly enough I feel this book reads more like a movie
perhaps you shouldn’t think your experience with the book is a universal one? just because you don’t care about them doesn’t mean it’s impossible, in fact, it’s very much possible 😉
This was incredible. Thank you so much.
Does anyone have opinions about how their lives eventually went?
Thank you very much!
44:50 STOPPPP💀
That was like a movie
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Richard saw his father treat his mother that way and still said camila was being unfair to charles
imagine more than 1 set of fingers clicking the thumbs down on this and then going about the rest of their day/life thinking they are actually human beings
thank you so much for this I truly appreciate it!
End Of Character 8 part 2 1:21:09
End Of Epliogue 2:03:25
Thank you for uploading.
I am speechless
☹️
This would make a test Ari Aster movie. “My Paul Smith shirt!”.
the french is funny
Thank you for the upload, @Liberty.
I don’t know why, but I keep picturing Julian as Mr. boss from smiling friends😂
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Epilogue: 1:21:11
The first book that has ever left me literally staring at the wall! Such mixed emotions!
thank you, liberty!
and this is where the pages end... But the story may bever die
-Me
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Well done, man.
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To mark in my book later
Thank you so much, that was a real gift to listen to ❤
Thank you
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does anyone know what the missing part at 26:55 is ?
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It’s scary that so many enjoy this book. These characters are sociopathic murderers. Detached from reality. And the narrator, Richard, from any other point of view would be considered the most vile creature on earth. A true Ted Bundy, devoid of emotion and remorse; all of his actions more than any of the others was all based on self preservation. What’s worse, the author made this character an impoverished kid from a no place town, just like Theo in the goldfinch, which makes me wonder if this author has an issue with the poorest of people in the US. The early epitaph where the author thanks Bret Easton Ellis is fitting, for both have an affinity for despising the lower classes. But she especially hides it so well from the “scholars” that read and adore her work. Maybe she is poking fun at them without their ever knowing; showing their ignorance and self-delusions? If so, she’s duped so many of you. This is a book that contains so many different perspectives and and none of them look very good. Thanks for posting the audiobook. Her voice is spectacular.
You're welcome.
I mean, I see where you're coming from on the class remark, this is the first of Tartt's works I've consumed and have yet to even look into B.E.E., but I think it's wrong to assume people enjoy this book because they enjoy the characters. I myself grew to hate all of them except Camilla since she's so paper thin from Richard's pov that you can't really make any judgement call on it, but thoroughly enjoyed watching everything unfold how it did. None of them received any legal punishment for the crimes they committed, not including Charles' affinity to collect DUIs, but it's obvious that their lives are irrevocably fucked after the bacch-whatever. Anyways, storytelling is intriguing and there's something about getting a glimpse of a life you'll never live, it doesn't mean we should fear the widespread intrigue this book has garnered. Folks are allowed to enjoy stories about horrible people who do shitty things, it's escapism, it doesn't say any one thing about them.
She makes the point that they are detached from reality very clearly in how they’re ignorant to not only current events, but even much larger historical events, like the moon landing. She also drives the point of them being ghost like, time and time again, and that was alluded to even before she started repeating that point quite literally.
As to not appreciating the lower classes, I believe you may have missed the idea that suggests the upper class as being even more vile, given that their wealth has rotted in them the conceited notion that they’re not only above those without, but also that they’re positioning through old money also means they’re above the few that may succeed in matching them from a monetary standpoint. I also think she tries to elevate Richard’s status with the group, even & especially Henry, who’s the wealthiest of them all, through a work ethic that’s seemingly rare in the real world, and among the five, save Henry, who’s supremely dedicated, albeit selfishly.
As to Richard’s back story, I believe she carved out such a history given that one would be more likely to attached themselves to their group because they essentially became the family unit he never had. That attachment being the foundation as to why he was willing to not turn them in when he found out they were supposedly en route to Argentina, and definitely the reason he not only overlooked their murderous evening, but was also a willing participant in the eventual murder of Bunny, who’s conscious, and/or, selfishness, was about to put the rest of the group in peril by illuminating to the world that they had killed an innocent man while trespassing on his property. Conversely, creating Bunny with such vulgar tones allows for the reader to have a possible sympathy, and/or understanding, in the group’s efforts to kill him.
All that said, and much more that I’ll pass on mentioning here, I think this book of hers wasn’t nearly as brilliant as, ‘The Goldfinch’. That’s not to say it’s a bad novel, and very far from it, as it was gripping throughout, but not nearly as symphonic, and tightly woven. I was also hoping for much more in the way of the title for which she chose to call it, though that may just be more of a personal disappointment, given my own interests in esoteric influences, and how such believes, and practices, have shaped, and continue to shape the world on such large scales; most of which is unbeknownst to the general population.
I do however agree with your sentiments about her voice, which is beautifully soft, and delicate, and entirely alluring for lack of a better word.
I think all of them were terrible people, I enjoyed the book, don't get me wrong, but none of the "rich" characters were shown in a good light. And most of the poor ones, or rather normal people were shown as kinda sympathetic, or likeable. But I'm sure if we got to know them better we would have also learned that they're all terrible, not because higher class is better, but because in this books universe, every one is a bad person.
Thank you
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