I am a 3.0 tennis player, but my friends are 3.5 - 4.5 . I started playing tennis last year April 2021. When I started I weighed in at 305 lbs. I currently am at 195 lbs. I started my first league beginning of this year in Jan 2022. I joined my friends WTT 3.5 team. We have national qualifiers this coming Friday - Sunday. - Benny
Great to have you on Jeremy. Good to show someone at a beginner's level. But please do not wrongly refer yourself as a 3.5, I don't know if that is Winston's mistake not knowing the ratings. You would definitely be at the 3.0 level. You probably spend more time at the gym vs tennis court and there's nothing wrong with that. That would also help you knowing going against 3.0s you could play competitively.
9:50 I think Winston is also exceptionally good at putting slower 2nd serves away. Those dink serve returns are actually easy to overhit if your technique is not 100% solid.
Facts If some does hard second serve our brain starts a pattern and you have be able to adapt that’s why second serve is more a mental game to adjust to the corrected power
Flashbacks to this guy in high school. He would literally throw the ball up and dink in the second serve. Then dig in like an Alabama tick on the baseline. He always beat me. It really shook my confidence back then.
Hey that works sometimes lol. We´ve all lost a match to a player way worse than us before and won matches we had no business winning because the game had no rythm and no consistent pace
Hahaha yeh it works and becomes incredibly frustrating when you get a drunk loser hitting lobs at the baseline with no pace and becomes champ I came 3rd he was soo annoying everyone talks shit about him I played him 2 times it’s simply not tennis he has a recipe to win low level comps
I've been following your channel for about a year now. I was so confused by how you didn't bagel this guy in 20 minutes lol. Makes sense that this is a pretty old video. It's cool to see how much you have progressed during the course of the channel.
WINSTON! Thank you for this! I was one of the ppl, requesting you play vs a 3.0/3.5 player. I really appreciate it! I'm mid-way between 3.0 and 3.5. MIXED DOUBLES state tourney this weekend! Let's Goooo!
Wow, Jeremy is really getting there, summarizing, finding the issues, and looking for solutions. I’m pretty sure he is going to reach higher level very soon.
First game was classic example of a more advanced player losing to pusher type ..dumping balls into the net on slow short balls etc. it’s good to play ALL LEVELS of players to get use to every type of different ball. MORE LOTTI videos. She’s mostly the reason I watch this stream 😁
Jeremy, I'm glad you took that loss in stride. You are obviously a very fit guy, I know you can improve quickly if you put your mind to it. Also, I could tell by watching that you were deliberately trying to hit to Winston's backhand even before I watched the post-match commentary. Great job on that! At least you went out there with a strategy and did an ok job of implementing it!
Jeremy seems like a fun guy! Every now and then he'd really shine with his forehand. Also, bravo to his one 1st serve winner. He could be a great player with some training!
Really enjoy your content, Winston. Cool to see you implement the strategy Karue used of keeping the ball in play long enough for the lower-level player to make a mistake. Putting that knowledge to good use! Tell Jeremy to channel his bicep into his 2nd serve and he’ll be alright.
USTA ratings police are out in force in the comments section! 🤣😂🤣😂 That said, I this channel is great. It’s a lot of fun. Keep up the good work, Winston!!!
Great content. I always struggle with how to rank myself according to the USTA levels and believed to be somewhere between 3.5-4.0 After seeing both of you play I think I'm confident in saying this is true. Some of Jeremy's 1st serves that came close to being in did look a bit spicy, so if he can get that sorted out and have a better 2nd serve, he'll probably go up a few notches in levels quite quickly, and his forehand looks quite sorted out already. We all get beaten like this or worse, but learning from it is the quickest way to improve. Back when I played tournaments the ones where the loss stung the worst where the ones where I improved most afterwards. Please share more content like this.
@@AnthonyChaucer I dont want to be a hater, but for what was in the video, he's been playing for 2yrs and honestly not impressed at all. I would expect a lot more from someone even playing intermittently for 2yrs.
I think it's so interesting how you can see players in different areas who have the same USTA rating and the skill level varies so much. In Kentucky, this guy would be a beginner 3.0. The variance is wild.
Some areas like mine get skewed. There are no 5.0 leagues. So no one wants to get bumped up because they wouldn’t be able to play. So the 5.0s are all “4.5” which keeps the 4.0s from wanting to move up and so on. Everyone you play here is likely a level higher. I played a D2 college tennis player who was “3.5” lol. That said, by usta parameters, Jeremy is a 3.0 with lots of potential.
Hahaha you guys had me laughing at the end. “TH-cam how to hit a second serve” 😂 . Just keep practicing man and you’ll get better and better. You have the athleticism and that’s one of the hardest parts for singles!
You did good Jeremy! I'm also a 2.0 because I really don't play that often. My serve is the weakest part of my game. You would probably beat me though.
I(4.5)played a guy like Jeremy (3.5) couple of months ago. Honestly, was afraid of losing a single game because of level difference and that was stupid of me. We all recreational players and learning and far away of being "good". When I realized this and just played relaxed , I won by double 6-0. So, just don't put an obligation to win on your shoulders.
LOL. Too funny. This video reinforces my suspicion about how an intermediate-advanced player like Winston and myself reacts to a weaker player who doesn't always hit the ball with nice topspin and consistent depth. When advanced players play with each other, they hit like a ball machine where the stroke is predictable and consistent, minus the "always in the same spot" of course. However when you play with a beginner-intermediate player like Jeremy, they don't have that consistent technique so their shots are unpredictably long and short and crazy angles, making it actually tough for some of the more advanced rec players like myself. The evidence is that Winston was struggling on some of the points, when Jeremy hit short balls and Winston netted them.
Bro your the same skill level as this kid a 3.0 Winston is a fraud he couldn’t demonstrate the skills of a 4.0 it’s crazy he gets away with this nonsense
Pretty promising 3.5 player, light on his feet (at least at the beginning of the match), loopy relaxing forehand. Backhand is a little bit pushy with arms and not enough body rotation. Most people don't like lefty slice serves, he probably gets quite a few free points with that serve motion against his peers, but may want to try hitting up and forward instead of too much slicing to the side. Most of us are not tall like Winston. Any inches gaining in the vertical direction is a good thing.
Watching the first game I got worried for Winston. If he kept dinking balls that stay low it's not so easy for Winston as he hits topspin forehands and would have to control that while running into the net. Quickly Winston took control though and dominated. Nice play!
Jeremy looks like a fitness guy, showing off those big biceps. He looks like a person you'd want to have as a workout partner in the gym! Great job, Jeremy!
3.5 represents the largest chunk of league players, thus not a beginners league. 4.0 represents above average and 4.5 is usually the pinnacle for casual tennis players.
Winston does have a slice but the slices shown are not lethal. Against a big hitter, that slice would be a sitting duck. Winston needs to work on the footwork, the anticipation, and reading the opponent's shots. Winston does rely heavily on his superb fitness. That might be why Winston's footwork is a little sloppy and clumsy because he can afford to. After the service, Winston doesn't go to the center of the court to get ready. Against Jeremy, that's not a problem, but Winston should take the opportunity to incorporate more good habits. Move forward, for example. The groundstrokes need improvement, lots of forehands struck off the back foot. As a result, Winston is using his muscles to generate the power instead of his form. Would like to see Winston really step into the shot; especially, against Jeremy. Winston will see the difference in MPH on his forehand and be able to put away a lot easier than before. Work on those top spin lobs, and net play. Return of serve would need to be more aggressive to set up Winton's biggest weapon, forehand. If Jeremy can win one game against Winston, then Winston can certainly without a doubt win one game against a big hitter. Zero unforced errors, and Winston must assert his groundstrokes by stepping into the shot. Not off the back foot. Winston has to be ready to go from the first point to take advantage of any player that hasn't settled in yet. That's the window of opportunity to win that game!
@@AnthonyChaucer I would agree, this guy is definitely a beginner. I dont think Winston really knows what a 3.5 is. While Winston is above that level, a solid 3.5 would definitely give him a run. Close sets of 6-4 or 7-5
Jeremy's forehand and backhand are pretty nice when his feet are set. Movement is going to need lots and lots of practice and training and he needs to rebuild a new serve lol.
Jeremy cannot be a 3.5 without the serve. The serve is the most important part of the game. You can't even start thinking about strategy until you can serve confidently + consistently with varieties: wide, kick, flat, spins. I spent most of my practice time on serve for years and just began to see results by switching to a more suitable racket.
I'd be down to play Winston for content. You could show how it looks playing against a BRAND NEW PLAYER...Just started playing middle of July (like literally 1st time every picking up a racquet) but I'd need about 2 more months before I think I could win ;)
@@AnthonyChaucer I honestly have a hard time telling what those rating mean. In Germany we use a different system which goes from 1.0 to 25.0 which goes from best to worse. My rating is 14.0 which is converted 4.0. From my experience he is certainly 4.0
@@WinstonDu wow, amazing content, i just started tennis, it's been one year for me, and i'm addicted. Serve was natural to me since i use to play volleyball. but i find footwork and reading the ball the hardest
This was fun to watch, also makes me more confident that my (self given) 4.0 rating is accurate. Tip for Jeremy: on those forehands, you need to position yourself farther away from the ball (laterally). You're a little too close. Winston - you're forehand is def looking better than when I first started watching your vids.
Respectfully agree. He is doing well and has lots of potential. But the league 3.5s in my area who play #1 singles are regularly getting aces, not struggling with second serves. I get that it’s different regionally but this is very much 3.0 court play with 2.75 serving. That said, he’s playing well for the time he’s trained and can quickly climb with his athleticism.
Agree with this assessment. However, I would add that -- even though it isn't intended to be so -- usta ratings differ by regions of the country and the corresponding density of competition at different levels. In CA where there are so so many good players, I would expect Jeremy would have a hard time moving from 3.0 to 3.5. (He could self-rate at 3.5, but I wouldn't expect it to last.) That being said, a 3.5 is probably in his future, maybe 4.0. Age and athleticism are in his favor, as is playing Winston.
I would respectfully agree too. Athletic potential is there but just judging by groundstrokes and serves, theres no way this guy could be a 3.5. He would be destroyed by 3.5s in my area. He is definitely more close to 3.0. Serve is definitely definitely 3.0 or below level
Jeremy could honestly be a is a 4.0. Already has better strokes than some 4.0s tbh, and he's extremely fast and athletic. If he self rates 3.5 he'll be bumped quickly
Strokes looking pretty good, but I question his consistency a bit. But it might just be Winston's pace. I know plenty of 3.5 who have great strokes, but they just make too many errors to be 4.0. He did have a few good rallies though.
3.5 are hardly beginners though... Jeremy obviously needs to work on his serve and gain a bit more experience, but his style is pretty standard. You know what would be fascinating is watching you play against someone like an MEP... :)
In Russia, the scale of ranges of rec. players displaced in lower value. It sad but 'is as is' - the historic fact. Jeremy's level would be as "3.0" and Winston's level - 4.0 in my country
Dude, play handicap tennis! Let Jeremy start out each game 30-0 and it would be much more interesting. competitive and enjoyable for both players. Yeah, Winston seemed off kilter to start the match... Jeremy has some potential, I think, if he can develop a serve... I also thought he hit some very nice forehands on occasion. And he battled the best he could... Overall, I would rate Jeremy as a 3.0. That serve needs to really improve to get any higher, though... He had a great attitude, though, so he seemed to have fun with it...
@@AnthonyChaucer I think this is one of his bad days. He looks pretty good on the other videos but amateur videos doesn't really do justice... USTA wants me to go 4.5 I still went self rated 4.0 I wanted to go down 3.5 but they wouldn't let me coz of my college experience
@@rusty935 you mean he is not 3.5 ? Often times rec players don’t have the best forms and we can’t really judge them by comparing to pros. I have seen 4.0 with continental grip and pancake serve but super consistent.
He's clearly a beginner at 3.0, not 3.5. 3.5 is an intermediate player starting to be consistent . I started as a 3.0 beginner, started reading Tennis magazine and played in the USTA league and got better and moved up to 3.5 as I got more consistent and won more matches than I lost. I moved up to a couple 4.0 teams as a 3.5, and still was able to win a few matches because of teaching myself Sampras's serve motion from Tennis mag and developing a 100 mph + serve, but you need to play 3-4 times a week to get consistent at a level and move up and contend. Being an athlete from the start will cut down the time it takes to develop into being a good tennis player, as seen by watching Jeremy. Watching tennis tips and coaching from former tennis pros here on YT also will help quite a lot. I hope to start playing again. Florida and Georgia have a lot of rainy days compared to California, so harder to play when it's wet out. Should be the dryer season soon (I hope). Why are there no indoor clubs/courts here? IDK
@@owglimoll898 at 4.0 you really only need 1 relative strength. most 4.0 players can beat me in the FH corner which is easily avoided because most of them have weaker serves, weaker backhands and weaker net game. Jeremy is probably fitter than every 3.5 player I've played with
It's not bad tennis, it's junk ball tennis which a lot of "spin doctors" utilize. Junk tennis is no joke, just ask Hsieh Su-wei, WTA Doubles Rank #9 and two grand slam doubles titles, Wimbledon 2013 and French Open 2014. Two surfaces where junk tennis really shines compared to predictable bouncing surfaces like the US Open and the Australian Open. But not to say junk tennis cannot win on hard surfaces. Just ask retired professional men's player, Fabrice Santoro ranked #6 in the world. Fabrice Santoro won two men's doubles in the Australian Open 2003 and 2004, won one mixed doubles at the French Open 2005. Fabrice Santoro also won the ATP Tour Finals in Doubles in 2005. Had Hsieh and Santoro been on the same timeline in their respective careers, it would be very interesting to see them team up in mixed doubles. Even Martina Hingis, Michael Chang, Monica Seles, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, etc., utilized some junk tennis that being drop shots.
he may be a 3.5 in terms of tennis but he has 5.5 arms for sure 🥵🥵
Jeremy should take Winston to a gym and show him who's the strongest dude in there. That was great!
The kid is hardly a 2.5 he’s athletic with no tennis game Winston is a scrub soft ass serve and tons of errors
Train him you have amazing athletic body type your neck is strong i I can you don’t need gym 😎
Winston has some guns too. Stronger legs for sure
Well he's far from that in tennis
I am a 3.0 tennis player, but my friends are 3.5 - 4.5 . I started playing tennis last year April 2021. When I started I weighed in at 305 lbs. I currently am at 195 lbs. I started my first league beginning of this year in Jan 2022. I joined my friends WTT 3.5 team. We have national qualifiers this coming Friday - Sunday.
- Benny
That is an impressive weight loss AND skill gain! Good luck for your national qualifiers.
Great story
@@tennisteuton Thank you! I am hoping to keep improving.
@@stevenjm12 thanks!
Benny, that's great to hear, very inspirational. Wishing you continued success on your journey!
Thanks for having me bro!!! - till next time!!!
You showed good heart! Keep hitting Winston junk balls and don't let him get comfortable : ) Add a dipping slice serve to your mix to annoy him more.
Great to have you on Jeremy. Good to show someone at a beginner's level. But please do not wrongly refer yourself as a 3.5, I don't know if that is Winston's mistake not knowing the ratings. You would definitely be at the 3.0 level. You probably spend more time at the gym vs tennis court and there's nothing wrong with that. That would also help you knowing going against 3.0s you could play competitively.
9:50 I think Winston is also exceptionally good at putting slower 2nd serves away. Those dink serve returns are actually easy to overhit if your technique is not 100% solid.
Facts If some does hard second serve our brain starts a pattern and you have be able to adapt that’s why second serve is more a mental game to adjust to the corrected power
Flashbacks to this guy in high school. He would literally throw the ball up and dink in the second serve. Then dig in like an Alabama tick on the baseline. He always beat me. It really shook my confidence back then.
I can confirm they are easy to overhit I do it all the time
Yes! I have a tendency to over hit those returns.
Absolutely expected for EVERY 4.5 player most upper 4.0
Beat good tennis by using bad tennis. Pure gold.
Hey that works sometimes lol. We´ve all lost a match to a player way worse than us before and won matches we had no business winning because the game had no rythm and no consistent pace
@@FedericoUzcateguiHobrecker i always blamed this on myself as "choking"
Interesting statement. Winston bad tennis against a 2.5 at best certainly reveals itself
Hahaha yeh it works and becomes incredibly frustrating when you get a drunk loser hitting lobs at the baseline with no pace and becomes champ I came 3rd he was soo annoying everyone talks shit about him I played him 2 times it’s simply not tennis he has a recipe to win low level comps
Constant junk balls can be pretty challenging
props to Jeremy for playing and the great attitude. post serve prayers had me 😆
"please go in" 🤣🤣🤣
@@tandkandm 🤣🙏🏽
😂😂😂
Lmao 🤣
I've been following your channel for about a year now. I was so confused by how you didn't bagel this guy in 20 minutes lol. Makes sense that this is a pretty old video. It's cool to see how much you have progressed during the course of the channel.
WINSTON! Thank you for this! I was one of the ppl, requesting you play vs a 3.0/3.5 player. I really appreciate it! I'm mid-way between 3.0 and 3.5. MIXED DOUBLES state tourney this weekend! Let's Goooo!
He claims he plays a 3.5 when the kid is a beginner it’s pathetic. Winston would have troubles against a solid 3.5 he’s a fraud
@@WinstonDu we made the finals! Great weekend! 🎉
Wow, Jeremy is really getting there, summarizing, finding the issues, and looking for solutions. I’m pretty sure he is going to reach higher level very soon.
First game was classic example of a more advanced player losing to pusher type ..dumping balls into the net on slow short balls etc. it’s good to play ALL LEVELS of players to get use to every type of different ball.
MORE LOTTI videos. She’s mostly the reason I watch this stream 😁
Winston, thank you for the content. Seems like you’re really listening to your audience. I’d love to see a 3.5-3.5 match up. Love your content
Props to Jeremy for putting himself out there!
Plays tennis a few times and gets branded a 3.5. Winston has no idea what tf he’s doing it’s pathetic
Jeremy, I'm glad you took that loss in stride. You are obviously a very fit guy, I know you can improve quickly if you put your mind to it. Also, I could tell by watching that you were deliberately trying to hit to Winston's backhand even before I watched the post-match commentary. Great job on that! At least you went out there with a strategy and did an ok job of implementing it!
@@WinstonDu I calls 'em as I sees 'em. :)
Jeremy seems like a fun guy! Every now and then he'd really shine with his forehand. Also, bravo to his one 1st serve winner. He could be a great player with some training!
Really enjoy your content, Winston. Cool to see you implement the strategy Karue used of keeping the ball in play long enough for the lower-level player to make a mistake. Putting that knowledge to good use! Tell Jeremy to channel his bicep into his 2nd serve and he’ll be alright.
Finally someone around my level
What level is that? Winston branded him a 3.5 when he’s a beginner hardly a 2.5
USTA ratings police are out in force in the comments section! 🤣😂🤣😂 That said, I this channel is great. It’s a lot of fun. Keep up the good work, Winston!!!
Great content. I always struggle with how to rank myself according to the USTA levels and believed to be somewhere between 3.5-4.0 After seeing both of you play I think I'm confident in saying this is true.
Some of Jeremy's 1st serves that came close to being in did look a bit spicy, so if he can get that sorted out and have a better 2nd serve, he'll probably go up a few notches in levels quite quickly, and his forehand looks quite sorted out already. We all get beaten like this or worse, but learning from it is the quickest way to improve. Back when I played tournaments the ones where the loss stung the worst where the ones where I improved most afterwards.
Please share more content like this.
Bro he’s playing someone who is a true beginner a 2.5 at best rank yourself truthfully this kid is a fraud
Love your videos Winston!
So happy to see Winston finally won a game.
Ya Winston is a 3.5 who beat a total beginner it’s hilarious
@@AnthonyChaucer I dont want to be a hater, but for what was in the video, he's been playing for 2yrs and honestly not impressed at all. I would expect a lot more from someone even playing intermittently for 2yrs.
Wow, same Jeremy. Dec will be my 2 years too. Except I don’t have those arms like him.
respect to you as always bro. no need to be little lower levels and just have fun.
Great forehand winners Winston! I sometimes find it challenging playing lower level players. Nice work.
Props to Jeremy, dude has very high athletic IQ, even if his serve wasn't consistent he can mimick some really clean form, sometimes :)
yeah man his backhand surprised me lol.
When your opponent asks you what side you start on, that’s a good sign. 😁
The postmatch commentary was golden.
I think it's so interesting how you can see players in different areas who have the same USTA rating and the skill level varies so much. In Kentucky, this guy would be a beginner 3.0. The variance is wild.
Some areas like mine get skewed. There are no 5.0 leagues. So no one wants to get bumped up because they wouldn’t be able to play. So the 5.0s are all “4.5” which keeps the 4.0s from wanting to move up and so on. Everyone you play here is likely a level higher. I played a D2 college tennis player who was “3.5” lol. That said, by usta parameters, Jeremy is a 3.0 with lots of potential.
It really is so wild
Hahaha you guys had me laughing at the end. “TH-cam how to hit a second serve” 😂 . Just keep practicing man and you’ll get better and better. You have the athleticism and that’s one of the hardest parts for singles!
This video was awesome bro good content I really fuck with it and jeremy was hilarious at the wnd
Great match, Jeremy does a good job for just playing 2 years tennis!
Just keep playing and practicing Jeremy, you're doing fine. I like the enthusiasm. thanks for vid.
That post match chat was legendary
He's good, gonna be a dangerous 4.5 soon enough!
Like Winston? Baby soft serves and tons of errors Winston is a 3.5 at best
You did good Jeremy! I'm also a 2.0 because I really don't play that often. My serve is the weakest part of my game. You would probably beat me though.
I(4.5)played a guy like Jeremy (3.5) couple of months ago. Honestly, was afraid of losing a single game because of level difference and that was stupid of me. We all recreational players and learning and far away of being "good". When I realized this and just played relaxed , I won by double 6-0. So, just don't put an obligation to win on your shoulders.
LOL. Too funny. This video reinforces my suspicion about how an intermediate-advanced player like Winston and myself reacts to a weaker player who doesn't always hit the ball with nice topspin and consistent depth. When advanced players play with each other, they hit like a ball machine where the stroke is predictable and consistent, minus the "always in the same spot" of course. However when you play with a beginner-intermediate player like Jeremy, they don't have that consistent technique so their shots are unpredictably long and short and crazy angles, making it actually tough for some of the more advanced rec players like myself. The evidence is that Winston was struggling on some of the points, when Jeremy hit short balls and Winston netted them.
If Jeremy could pick up a better more consistent 2nd serve, and some basics in terms of positioning/strategy, he could be a solid 3.5
Haha yea if he established fundamentals and tennis skills he’d be a 3.0 in his first 2 years. Winston mischaracterizes purposely
Subscribed! I wanna see more 3.5/beginners!
congrats to Jeremy in a 2 years he play very good ! keep play man !
“Oh please go in.” The mantra of beginner tennis. :)
This video shows important reason to have a good serve... I need to work on my serve.
I'm just about close to a 3.0 and have my moments, but the real indicator is the consistency and serves that separates the 3s from the 4s
Bro your the same skill level as this kid a 3.0 Winston is a fraud he couldn’t demonstrate the skills of a 4.0 it’s crazy he gets away with this nonsense
Pretty promising 3.5 player, light on his feet (at least at the beginning of the match), loopy relaxing forehand. Backhand is a little bit pushy with arms and not enough body rotation. Most people don't like lefty slice serves, he probably gets quite a few free points with that serve motion against his peers, but may want to try hitting up and forward instead of too much slicing to the side. Most of us are not tall like Winston. Any inches gaining in the vertical direction is a good thing.
Watching the first game I got worried for Winston. If he kept dinking balls that stay low it's not so easy for Winston as he hits topspin forehands and would have to control that while running into the net. Quickly Winston took control though and dominated. Nice play!
Jeremy looks like a fitness guy, showing off those big biceps. He looks like a person you'd want to have as a workout partner in the gym! Great job, Jeremy!
Exactly. He’s an athletic guy Winston branded a 3.5. Pathetic.
getting to play higher level players is real good practice for matches
3.5 isn’t a beginner level, it’s the level most players play and most players will never reach the 4.0 level.
Most players will never reach 4.0 that’s weird I never heard that before
3.5 represents the largest chunk of league players, thus not a beginners league. 4.0 represents above average and 4.5 is usually the pinnacle for casual tennis players.
@@smithcm14 No, the pinnacle is 5.0
@@ifeanyiikpegbu6465 not really attainable for rec players
@@smithcm14 well stated
Next time: 4.5 vs 4.0. Let me know when you're ready. 😅
Love the content.
If you’re anything close to a 4.0 you’ll beat Winston’s ass he’s a fraud
Winston does have a slice but the slices shown are not lethal. Against a big hitter, that slice would be a sitting duck. Winston needs to work on the footwork, the anticipation, and reading the opponent's shots. Winston does rely heavily on his superb fitness. That might be why Winston's footwork is a little sloppy and clumsy because he can afford to. After the service, Winston doesn't go to the center of the court to get ready. Against Jeremy, that's not a problem, but Winston should take the opportunity to incorporate more good habits. Move forward, for example. The groundstrokes need improvement, lots of forehands struck off the back foot. As a result, Winston is using his muscles to generate the power instead of his form. Would like to see Winston really step into the shot; especially, against Jeremy. Winston will see the difference in MPH on his forehand and be able to put away a lot easier than before. Work on those top spin lobs, and net play. Return of serve would need to be more aggressive to set up Winton's biggest weapon, forehand. If Jeremy can win one game against Winston, then Winston can certainly without a doubt win one game against a big hitter. Zero unforced errors, and Winston must assert his groundstrokes by stepping into the shot. Not off the back foot. Winston has to be ready to go from the first point to take advantage of any player that hasn't settled in yet. That's the window of opportunity to win that game!
Very job!🎯👏
Please do another 3.5 video. Jeremy was great but I would love if you play a real 3.5
agreed. he's not above a 3.0
@WinstonDu could you please change the title of the video to a 3.0 so it's more accurate. Then get a real 3.5
Thank you. This kid is a beginner I honestly think Winston would lose to a true 3.5
@@AnthonyChaucer I would agree, this guy is definitely a beginner. I dont think Winston really knows what a 3.5 is. While Winston is above that level, a solid 3.5 would definitely give him a run. Close sets of 6-4 or 7-5
Jeremy's forehand and backhand are pretty nice when his feet are set. Movement is going to need lots and lots of practice and training and he needs to rebuild a new serve lol.
Jeremy cannot be a 3.5 without the serve. The serve is the most important part of the game. You can't even start thinking about strategy until you can serve confidently + consistently with varieties: wide, kick, flat, spins. I spent most of my practice time on serve for years and just began to see results by switching to a more suitable racket.
True it is the toughest part mentally and coordination wise
Let's see the one year rematch!
Karue is proud. 💪
I'd be down to play Winston for content. You could show how it looks playing against a BRAND NEW PLAYER...Just started playing middle of July (like literally 1st time every picking up a racquet) but I'd need about 2 more months before I think I could win ;)
8:27 let?
he in good shape he try his best anyway thats tennis
He’s pretty good for only playing 2 years!
He’s a great 2.5
Nice match. It's nice to see the difference
What you saw was a 2.5 beginner against a 3.5 at best. Winston is a fraud
@@AnthonyChaucer I honestly have a hard time telling what those rating mean. In Germany we use a different system which goes from 1.0 to 25.0 which goes from best to worse. My rating is 14.0 which is converted 4.0. From my experience he is certainly 4.0
Nice muscles Winnie 👏👏
great job! how long have you been playing tennis to reach 4.5?
@@WinstonDu wow, amazing content, i just started tennis, it's been one year for me, and i'm addicted. Serve was natural to me since i use to play volleyball. but i find footwork and reading the ball the hardest
@@WinstonDu th-cam.com/users/shortsbdhYVqUqs-c?feature=share
Now this is a pusher!
This was fun to watch, also makes me more confident that my (self given) 4.0 rating is accurate.
Tip for Jeremy: on those forehands, you need to position yourself farther away from the ball (laterally). You're a little too close.
Winston - you're forehand is def looking better than when I first started watching your vids.
I enjoy your videos Winston
Hey new to the channel. Winston seems more like a 4.0 to me but I could be wrong. Maybe I’m better than I think?
I feel that I am a 3.75 tennis player. Can that be a thing?
hes actually not bad. He’s athletic but just doesnt have the skill level to match.
Unleash Jeremy on the MEP!
When a 4.5 gets beaten by a 5.0 + people tend to be critical but a 4.5 is actually a very good player and also has the ability to teach and coach.
I honestly think Jeremy was more close on the 3.0 than 3.5 and Winston lowered his game a bit sometimes
Respectfully agree. He is doing well and has lots of potential. But the league 3.5s in my area who play #1 singles are regularly getting aces, not struggling with second serves. I get that it’s different regionally but this is very much 3.0 court play with 2.75 serving. That said, he’s playing well for the time he’s trained and can quickly climb with his athleticism.
@@WinstonDu come on! USTA 3.0 is first competitive level. USTA have sectionals & National championship for 3.0 level just like 4.0 & 4.5. 👍
Agree with this assessment. However, I would add that -- even though it isn't intended to be so -- usta ratings differ by regions of the country and the corresponding density of competition at different levels. In CA where there are so so many good players, I would expect Jeremy would have a hard time moving from 3.0 to 3.5. (He could self-rate at 3.5, but I wouldn't expect it to last.) That being said, a 3.5 is probably in his future, maybe 4.0. Age and athleticism are in his favor, as is playing Winston.
I was thinking the same thing!
I would respectfully agree too. Athletic potential is there but just judging by groundstrokes and serves, theres no way this guy could be a 3.5. He would be destroyed by 3.5s in my area. He is definitely more close to 3.0. Serve is definitely definitely 3.0 or below level
Jeremy with the body
Jeremy could honestly be a is a 4.0. Already has better strokes than some 4.0s tbh, and he's extremely fast and athletic. If he self rates 3.5 he'll be bumped quickly
Strokes looking pretty good, but I question his consistency a bit. But it might just be Winston's pace. I know plenty of 3.5 who have great strokes, but they just make too many errors to be 4.0. He did have a few good rallies though.
Where in the world do you play? A true 4.0 is nice this kid is a beginner it’s crazy you would say something like this
Exactly
Ya ever need an dad bod lower level player to beat up on, let me know. Could use some Cali weather. Will travel for beer!
Good play by Jeremy, and good patience by you. Thanks for sharing. Cheers all.
Rematch ??
Jeremy needs to get up on his toes when he serves. The ball toss could also be a little higher
Who is 3.5 and who is 4.5?
Exactly. Compete fraudulence
I’m a 3.5. This seems about right. I think I would have won more points but about the same amount of games
It's so far from right lol, or if it is, whatever area that would be true in is turrriblee
I know what Jeremy feels like. lol
3.5 are hardly beginners though... Jeremy obviously needs to work on his serve and gain a bit more experience, but his style is pretty standard. You know what would be fascinating is watching you play against someone like an MEP... :)
3.5s are far from beginners this kid is new a 2.5 at best can anyone make sense of this!?
I challenge Winston to 10 x 10 back squats at BW, followed immediately by a one set of tennis.
In Russia, the scale of ranges of rec. players displaced in lower value. It sad but 'is as is' - the historic fact. Jeremy's level would be as "3.0" and Winston's level - 4.0 in my country
3.5 player with the looks and body of a. 7.0 🤩
Dude, play handicap tennis! Let Jeremy start out each game 30-0 and it would be much more interesting. competitive and enjoyable for both players.
Yeah, Winston seemed off kilter to start the match... Jeremy has some potential, I think, if he can develop a serve... I also thought he hit some very nice forehands on occasion. And he battled the best he could... Overall, I would rate Jeremy as a 3.0. That serve needs to really improve to get any higher, though...
He had a great attitude, though, so he seemed to have fun with it...
Niice dawg
Wait, so how are you 4.5? I don't see it.
Hey Intuitive tennis called u out in his beat the pro video. I thin u should challenge him and kick his ass.
I'd love to play you Winston. I'd go to Irvine.
4.5 ntrp vs Taeyang
man I wish ur in NorCal I want to play u coz ur a 4.5 I'm only a 4.0
If you’re truly a 4.0 you should whoop his ass it’s Patheric he claims a 4.5
@@AnthonyChaucer I think this is one of his bad days. He looks pretty good on the other videos but amateur videos doesn't really do justice... USTA wants me to go 4.5 I still went self rated 4.0 I wanted to go down 3.5 but they wouldn't let me coz of my college experience
Winston why you called 3.5 a beginner? You were once a 3.0 right?
3.5 isn't beginner but this dude def is one
@@rusty935 you mean he is not 3.5 ? Often times rec players don’t have the best forms and we can’t really judge them by comparing to pros. I have seen 4.0 with continental grip and pancake serve but super consistent.
@@bournejason66 he's more like 3.0, serve was atrocious and groundies very questionable
What word should he use, noob?
@@Wannabe-Pro a 3.5 (fill in his style) player will do. Calling 3.5 beginners is quite rude to all the 3.0 and 3.5 IMHO.
You are at least on a bad day a 4.0. Beat day is 5.0👍😀
Winston is a 3.5 on his best day. He’s a fraud
He's clearly a beginner at 3.0, not 3.5. 3.5 is an intermediate player starting to be consistent . I started as a 3.0 beginner, started reading Tennis magazine and played in the USTA league and got better and moved up to 3.5 as I got more consistent and won more matches than I lost. I moved up to a couple 4.0 teams as a 3.5, and still was able to win a few matches because of teaching myself Sampras's serve motion from Tennis mag and developing a 100 mph + serve, but you need to play 3-4 times a week to get consistent at a level and move up and contend.
Being an athlete from the start will cut down the time it takes to develop into being a good tennis player, as seen by watching Jeremy. Watching tennis tips and coaching from former tennis pros here on YT also will help quite a lot. I hope to start playing again. Florida and Georgia have a lot of rainy days compared to California, so harder to play when it's wet out. Should be the dryer season soon (I hope). Why are there no indoor clubs/courts here? IDK
Dude looks like Taeyang
Jeremy will easily be a 4.0 once he adds in the serve
You are high or a mindless TH-camr. This kid is 2.5 at best
what are you saying? HAHHAA this kid is far far far from 4.0, I dont know if you watched the same video as me.
@@owglimoll898 at 4.0 you really only need 1 relative strength. most 4.0 players can beat me in the FH corner which is easily avoided because most of them have weaker serves, weaker backhands and weaker net game. Jeremy is probably fitter than every 3.5 player I've played with
@@owglimoll898 Either completely delusional and doesn't play or such a fan of winston that they're being gaslighted to the highest degree haha
4.5 /3.5, you kidding me?
I know this video is a bit older, but Jeremy at this time was not a 3.5. 3.0 at best...
He is probably more of a 3.0 player, and Winston is 4.0
It's not bad tennis, it's junk ball tennis which a lot of "spin doctors" utilize. Junk tennis is no joke, just ask Hsieh Su-wei, WTA Doubles Rank #9 and two grand slam doubles titles, Wimbledon 2013 and French Open 2014. Two surfaces where junk tennis really shines compared to predictable bouncing surfaces like the US Open and the Australian Open. But not to say junk tennis cannot win on hard surfaces. Just ask retired professional men's player, Fabrice Santoro ranked #6 in the world. Fabrice Santoro won two men's doubles in the Australian Open 2003 and 2004, won one mixed doubles at the French Open 2005. Fabrice Santoro also won the ATP Tour Finals in Doubles in 2005. Had Hsieh and Santoro been on the same timeline in their respective careers, it would be very interesting to see them team up in mixed doubles. Even Martina Hingis, Michael Chang, Monica Seles, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, etc., utilized some junk tennis that being drop shots.