4 Nozzle Off Grid Micro Hydro Turgo Turbine Part 3 (Assembling the turbine)
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- In this videos i am assembling the new 4 nozzle turbine. There is still plenty of work to do before it can get hooked up. but we will have it ready for winter.
Thank you to Motenergy for supplying the PMA check out there website
motenergy.com/
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Bro that is a work of art. Well impressed with your precision on projects such as this, yet your love for natural wobbles and by the eye cuts on the bigger building projects too, you know when each one has it’s merit
This is amazingly helpful. Been planning on building my own micro hydro setup and these videos have been very very helpful. Cheers from across the pond m8
Nice work chap, impressed with your way of making it work. Great thought process. The world needs more chaps like you.
You need to consider the velocities of the flow. It will vary greatly with the supply. Your flow meter takes care of most or the spear valve.
Multiple water entry points will greatly increase efficiency.
Amazing work. And 316 SS nothing but the best I see.
Impressive! Looking forward to seeing it fitted and working.
Kris, that's shed-engineering above pro level. Looking forward to a comparison between Your first, already pretty advanced gardenhose mill wheel and this beauty in terms of efficiency. Thanks a lot for sharing! Cheers
Hey Kris, I use a little trick with hole saws for a perfect hole. Don't use a drill bit for the pilot. Drill the hole first and then use a 1/4" hard bolt (head cut off) or rod. That way you don't continue to chafe the pilot hole. Works like a charm. Old mechanic here. I am an electrician so I also have Vari bits which also cut a great hole but are pricey at @ $50 each. BTW I am going PVC valves and pipes. If it freezes SS will break just as easy and PVC is so much cheaper to replace. The SS is SOO beautiful tho but also so $$$$ lol.
Wow, what a thing of beauty!
I am always amazed at your ingenuity! Great video, keep up the awesome content!
Of all the components i can see the plastic box giving out first. Great stuff man, but the forces involved here, even at a small scale are quite incredible.
I agree and plan to make one out of SS. I also don't like the square box design and plan on a round housing.
@@jimfisk8958 me too...he should be working more with water flow dynamics...that water should hit those blades in a nice clean way and leave out the other side cleanly....with no back wash...otherwise he will not only lose power but this can cause that cover to rip off...the water should just be hitting one side of that thing.. and leave cleanly going out...im thinking something alot heavier and shaped in the same way as a turbo charger housing that is smooth and polished on the inside...what do you think Jim Fisk?
for that... maybe go to a foundry with a blue print and work with them to make a sand mould.... bespoke of course...and you could supply the brass for them to make you one in two opposite halves with flanges with gasket of course...id be taking that route...
Maybe he could copy your one russel king?
Looks like a well thought out design. Looking forward to seeing it work
Love how much attention to detail there is 👍
Wow, what a piece of kit! Very impressive work from you and John.
Excellent and interesting work Kris. Looking forward to the next instalment and I hope your ankle is feeling much better.
Another great video.
That turbine is starting to look like a serious bit of kit. 👍
Seems like a lot of directions for the water to enter that little box in that one little house. Piping should prove a challenge. Good luck. great stuff.
Well done! Excited to see how it preforms.
Lovely to see someone who knows how to do stuff, or at least how to find out how to. Shame I have been listening in English while these videos are in Tech-nish, but that is my problem.
You can see your attention to detail by the way you line up the components on the workbench at 17:10. Good work Kris.
Cool video. I am in the process of designing, manufacturing, and assembling a micro hydro system. I think the most difficult part will be designing the profile of the buckets and then manufacturing them. Thank you for the link to the generator.
That's so cool, looking forward to the next update.
Wow Amazing you need to be in a shop inventing things great work
great job Chris well done my friend.
Very cool, great job Kris and John.
Impressive bit of kit after all is said and done.
Super work , felicetation
WOW amazing. Cant wait to watch it generating power!!
It started off as a simple turbine and ended up as a flux capacitor :)
But a 4 nozzle flux capacitor!
But a 4 nozzle flux capacitor!
Your QMax is called a Greenlee Knockout Punch(s/set) here in the states. Very useful tool! On the stainless steel reducers you mention needing conical inserts - you might consider Delrin, Nylon or Neoprene (maybe even a skateboard wheel) (OD lathed to desired diameter and cut the final ID and a conical shape cut in them). Beautiful assembly so far! Great work!
Very nice Kris! Well done!
Looks great. Wow
Excellent video, very entertaining!
Wow...you're an engineer too! Pretty exciting stuff. Hope it tests well. If so, I might be buying one of those turbines from you for OUR microhydro project!
Your QMax is called a Greenlee Knockout Punch(s/set) (known colloquially as a Body (auto-body) Punch) here in the states. Very useful tool! On the stainless steel reducers you mention needing conical inserts - you might consider Delrin, Nylon or Neoprene (maybe even a skateboard wheel) (OD lathed to desired diameter and cut the final ID and a conical shape cut in them). Beautiful assembly so far! Great work!
Known generically in electronics as a "Chassis Punch".
That’s coming on nicely pal
looks fantastic
Super awesome work.
Exciting good stuff thumbs up my friend
I think you will need to add a diagonal brace from the valves to the box even if you bolt them to a plate, that is a lot of weight hanging out there especially if you add actuators.
Good work!
Very impressive mate 👌
Looks awesome .WOW
Awesome AND impressive!
I think you don't want a linear actuator. There are ball valve actuators available that eliminate the need for a handle and attach right to the stem. Less side load and less chance of mechanical stress causing a fault. Check Parker Hannifin suppliers, typically listed under hydraulic and pneumatic products. They have a lot of distributors. Hope that helps.
Jim , Ontario Canada
Thanks but they are £200 each. much cheaper this way. and more fun. Thanks for the info though.
That ready built, plug and play version the company sells is looking rather inviting at the mo eh kris :-)
Kris Harbour 'Eco products' need to happen
Really nice!
Great..Nice work.
the eyelets in the top of the valve flange are most commonly used for lockout tag-out purposes.
Really been enjoying this build video series Kris. Through most of this and the last video that blue mounting box has struck me as not rigid enough, glad to see the plates attached perhaps plates inside would be an idea as well? My thinking having seen these boxes before was to cover the box in glass fibre then a resin soaked layer of core mat covered again with chopped strand mat and resin. I built some thirty foot long rain gutters using this approach a lot of years back that a man could stand in the middle of, with the gutter picked up at either end with minimal if any deflection.
Another thought is the use of those hose tails, having struggled to release and install 2" pipe from hose tails when needing to work on equipment I really hate them and with four pipes, if the pipes are not loose fitting it will be a real ball ache! On some occasions I have had to hammer the hose tails in using a second man and a sledgehammer! After that experience it was worthwhile to change all the hose tail connections to "camlock" horsetail quick release fittings, if memory serves we sourced 2" nylon bodied ones, much much more agreeable during breakdowns and maintenance.
ISO valves, ( International Standards Organisation ).Looking forward to the next build step, cool stuff!
Interested in seeing how you're planning to install 4 intake sources from 1 stream...
Looks good
Outstanding!
Impressive work Kris, please explain the point of head height and flow pressure when it all bottlenecks through such small jets, how is the backpressure dealt with.
No goggles were harmed in this video.
You should’ve made a plate that covers all of the outer sides of the bin. Where it has some footings that can hold up the weight of the motor turbine assembly.
Then bellow the whole thing have it all sit on a plate.
have you tried with water, your doble nozzle?
the best distance between the outlet and the turbo blade is three times the diameter of the jet
That's some high quality kit right there! My only prediction is that you will be unsatisfied with that plastic housing and will ultimately rebuild it out of stainless or powder coated fabricated steel. The plastic would also likely be louder than a steel housing if that's a consideration for you.
GOOD JOB !!! :)
Genius!
Excelente, quiero verlo en operación. Cuando?
Ok.
1. A 90° elbow has the effect of the static interference of 25' of pipe added.
2. You added a slinger which adds weight mass you have to spin now as well.
3. You may be experiencing some magnetic field interference from building a metal housing.
Also I believe you would gain allot of power by rounding the corners of the box and closing the tolerances of the impeller.
The splash back f rom the thrown water combined with the water raining down f rom your slinger is going to cause a slowing of your impeller as it hits the impellor and is literally inhibiting the forward flow with the falling water striking the impellor and acting as a blockage.
Take the box to a metal workshop and have them bend a stainless plate to it to support all the add ons.
Very cool project. Love it. I am trying to find a mini Turgo Wheel like yours, had no luck so far. Would you mind telling me where to find one? Many thanks.
So what power are you projecting Kris? If it was compared to your existing model, how much more power are you predicting?
I have Hugh Piggotts book on wind turbine self building. Does any one know of the micro hydro equivilant?
Amazing things you do and have achieved Kris! Continued success to ya!!
Beast!
You can buy Bellimo Ball Valve Actuators that will bolt straight on. They come in 12/24/240V you probably need drive open spring return type.
They are really expensive in the sizes I am using
I believe you need a heavy structure to absorb and dampen the vibration or the plastic will crack and the meal will fail rather early from stress assisted corrosion.
Please can you tell me where your friend got those spear valve nozzles? I can't seem to find a supplier anywhere at all.
Why did you switch from a Pelton to a Turgo?
Having cut and placed the stainless steel plate on the outside of the casing to add strength to it do you not think it best to also add a plate on the inside of the casing?
Reason I ask is all the weight is on the outside of the casing and overtime with the water pressure on, it's going to start weakening the plastic fibers of the casing around the surface edges of the steel plate thus weakening the integrity of the casing and potentially causing issues longterm! I hope I'm wrong but after all the weakest part of your build is the plastic casing even if it's reinforced it will become brittle overtime.
I still think your doing an amazing job and can't wait until the next video, great work kris.
Is your turbine shed going to be big enough? I'm imagining hoses having to enter through each wall now!
Yeah it fits......Just..... and it has to be at just the right angle.
If you start producing them for sale would you use vacuum forming for the base box you then reinforce with plates before fiber glassing or would you go for full on fiber glass with a gel coat on the form mold?
I would most likely make my own stainless ones for the higher end and use these for the smaller cheaper ones. but i need my workshop done first.
looks like so cool, like a steam punk machine
👍👍👍 Danke!
👍👌👏 This thing already looks more like something for the Enterprise or at least like an improved 4 nozzle flux capacitor than a low pressure water turbine! Congrats!
sizi kutlarım, burdaki tribün çapı daha büyük olsaydı verim artmazmıydı.ayrıca bu parçalar nerede satılıyor. sipariş verebilirmiyim
Kris, From the flange on the top of the ball valves looks like they are designed for rotary actuators. No need to mess around with cylinders or linear actuators. Just a thought.
Do you know much about these? The ball valves i have have are 1" with iso5211 mounts and i want the actuators to be 24v I have looked them up but how the mount is not clear at all.
www.pvcselect.co.uk/j-j-j3c-s35-electric-actuator-multi-voltage-35nm.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx4Hrxae_4gIVBpPtCh3mXQ_eEAQYAiABEgJE__D_BwE
Something like this would probably do it. You would need to check required torques and dimensions of your valves though. If linear actuators are cheaper/easier it might still be worth it as the cost of a few rotary actuators might mount up.
Just an observation....would that blue plastic 'box' not be better made from high grade aluminium or stainless steel?
Why?
@@domw3239 Why not?
Why is one nozzle different from the rest 3? Do you really have to use such huge intake hoses for such a low flow turbine? How does turgo turbine compare to pelton?
What kind of efficiency do you expect mate?
Which turbine is better pelton or turgo
Goodnight. Do you know where I can buy these hydroelectric generators in Europe? I live in Portugal and I can't find the same. Thanks
I would have expected that one of the jets would not need a cutoff valve since it will be on all through the year - is that going to be the adjustable jet ? Clearly you non't want to construct any more motorised valves than you need.
It might be such that his lowest flow is lower than the small nozzle and he must use the spear valve. I doubt his flow would ever get that low.
Another consideration is if he sized the jets in a binary arrangement. 1lps 2lps 4lps 8lps would be good for anywhere from 1 to 15 lps in 1lps increments. This assumes each nozzle is fixed and he doesn't have the spear valve.
No spear valve? are you still happy with the one you have on your pelton? I noticed the same one is available on ebay right now.
It has a custom made spear valve on it. Look closer 👍
@@KrisHarbour wow I must be losing it. I even went back looked before posting but my eyes didn't care to inform my brain.
I know that all to well. i can be looking right at my keys and not see them and have to ask my girlfriend where they are.....
@@KrisHarbour When I was a kid I though I lost my glasses in the ball pit. I asked my friend to help me find them because they must have fallen off when I jumped in too aggressively. He looked at me perplexed, I was wearing them.
Is this a selfmade nozzle ?
Hello, where did you buy it pelton turbine,4000
Is there a store where i can buy that turgo turbine?
Tarbine
How much electric power result...?
May I ask , where can I purchase the pma that you are using in your project ?
www.krisharbour.co.uk/micro-hydro-shop-1
How much is the capacity?
Where I get this
How much kwh does it get ?
I see corners on the turbine housing, of the worst kind, 90 degree corners..... WHY, would you use a square peg for a round hole job? Seems like efficiencies would be substantially better with a round housing, versus any number of points.
But hey, your pool, piss in it if you want.
It's been a year! How goes?
Wich model is that mpa
Hi kris harbour, i have question but unable to post pictures on here to ask you that may know if this Idea works or not being Watching a Professional petlon wheel Installer You may know the answer as it is been bugging me for years have to say i have been to your Web page but on email
kind regards
Paul w.
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what is the company that sells tis generator ? do you have their website?
Pretty sure its from Motenergy in the States. I bought a 48v 2500w 3-phase turbine from them about 6 months ago, with a pelton rather than turbo wheel. Only have one jet running generating 500w at present (which is more than it sounds - 12kwh per day). It has been completely reliable so far with no sign of bearings issues or the like. Nice bit of kit at a fantastic price.
I made my own steel housing as I didn't like the look of the blue plastic one (which you purchase separately), looked a bit toy-ish for my liking, but Kris is certainly making it look nice.