Last of the D Stock - Documentary
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- D-Stock trains were replaced by newer S-Stock during 2015-2017 with the last one running in April 2017. A few months before they were all replaced, we followed District Line driver Frank Miller around for a day, to talk about the transition from the old to the new.
The video just about the last day can be seen here: • Last D-Stock District ...
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I remember, when I was a little kid, and my parents would take me into London to go to the Science Museum, or something, we used to go on the Northern line from Waterloo to Embankment and then change for the District/Circle. I didn't know anything about the types of trains, or the difference between deep level and sub surface, but I always wanted to get the "one door" trains. They were something different to me. Sad to see them go.
They seemed really quality trains and i liked that they were made in the UK by Metro-Cammel.
Yep, shame that their next Tube trains were such a travesty that they got replaced just over 10 years after entry into service
S stocks are modern and used by Sub surface Wich i believe Use Mainline hight There Tunnels are not Single track they are always double And Mostly Overground Deep Level are Mostly Underground All though they often do go overground The tunnels are Single track and they Do not use Mainlined Stock
same the last time I went on one was when I was 7
you can still ride these! Some were converted into commuter line trains, there's some in wales and on the isle of wight.
4:36 "TFL technical support, how can I help", "My train doesn't work", "Ah I see - did you try turning it off and on again?"
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If the D-Stock didn’t get replaced, then the District Line would definitely be my favourite tube line.
A thoroughly first-rate documentary, you two. This is the kind of visual and auditory gold that historians like myself will appreciate in a myriad of different ways in the mid-century point. And beyond.
Well done, becoming part of transportation history! If we could only jump ahead to the 22nd century and see how they will look back at our world today. Your film-making will play a part of their intelligent analysis of our world and how we got around.
(Well, you lot in the UK. I'm watching this from the good old USA, Washington, DC. Haven't found my UK job yet...)
This is a great video, thoroughly enjoying this. Great presentation, flawless narration and superb content.
Great video, more like this please! Great to get interesting bits from the driver/operator and all the staff areas and track!!
Great piece of documenting, I never knew how interested I was in the uk train network till I started watching you're channel.
Always learn so much from this channel
Quarantine has brought me here😭
In nyc we have trains from 1963 and they’re being replaced in like 2021
It's a shame the United States has under-investment in passenger rail. I'd love to see a high speed rail link built with a modern, American made fleet heading from East to West. :)
Practically Famous the MTA is ridiculously under funded I hope Andy Byford will save our butts
And sometimes their not well maintained at times their very dirty also their trash in the rails and sometimes it floods a little seriously their puddles of water in the tracks and one thing I noticed about the D stock compare to an old MTA train is the D stock almost look like new while MTA well you can tell that their old
@@NYLFR same
Steven Anchundia that’s the tip of the iceberg
I remember when these were retired, was hoping I would get a chance to ride them, however I unfortunately did not get a chance to visit London for the first time until June of 2017, lease I got to ride the '72 and '73 stocks. Great video!
Fantastic video! Love this sort of content, really well presented and really interesting and informative. :)
I remember when the D stock were new.... I feel so old now
Frank Miller is a good communicator. What a pleasure to see someone be such a perfect fit for an important job like this.
TfL sold a whole load of the D stock trains to a rail venture in the Midlands called 'Vivarail'. Some of them have been converted into DMU's (Diesel Multiple Units). Not sure if Vivarail are properly up and running yet. They're a small privately owned company.
And these are now in service again :)
@@memediatek great news. Some have also gone to serve on the Isle of Wight - on its 'Island Line', an offshoot of South Western Railway.
Notice the D-Stock cab's moquette, it's the old Waterloo & City moquette from the 1992 Stock prior to Barman, there were also a few units that had the same moquette as the 1967 stock when they were refurbished, whilst others had the standard D-Stock moquette, and they were quite often mixed up. I believe the C-Stock also had some of these moquettes in the cab.
I think they just use whatever is left over from the last refurb they did for the cabs, obviously they take a little more care for the passenger compartment
Alasdair Clift you are correct, nearly all cabs have the old moquette as it is less of a priority. Most stock types have their original moquettes or refurbish moquettes, such as the Jubilee, Bakerloo, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly Line trains.
I don't know what my name is. I know some Piccadilly line cabs got Barman, a year or two before the passenger compartments received it, although I also saw some with the original refurb moquette
Really? I haven't seen the cab with the Barman moquette, I much prefer the pre-Tube Lines moquette, when they were originally refurb'd. I'm very much against all of the lines receiving Barman, as I believe all of the other moquettes, including the dull original Northern Line moquette looks nicer, and if they were keeping Barman, keep it on one line!
The new trains are beautiful!
With my last trip to london back in 2014 i rode both the D and S Stock
I'm so glad, that when i visited London this Summer, i had trains with air conditioning. That was so.... cool.
Beautifully put together edited and narrated. A fist class tribute to the D stock.
I can accept that the D-stock were reliable and I hope that they get a refurbed new lease of life.
But how much “character” can they have given that they were probably the most featureless square boxes to ever grace a metro system anywhere ever?
Having said that; I never minded them apart from the single leaf doors in rush hour...
If only Sydney took the same initiative. Our trains from the same era will be still running until the early 2020s
Frank was great!
Miss these trains. God bless the D stock.
Theres a converted D stock train running on the Met line as a rail adhesion train. Probably only see it in the autumn leaf fall season though.
Why Did They Make It Look Like An A Stock Tho?! The OG D Stock Headlights Suit It Better
6:20 Category A platforms may need the driver to have assistance when closing the doors. Does this mean that those stations must always be staffed and no staff-less operation?
0:31 oh I LOVE that in time to the track.
Ain't no party like an S-Stock party! 🤣
ha ha good one
Except they won't let you drink any more.
S-Stock are gonna show you howww!
@O7 The Game Boi It’s an S-Club joke.
#catchtheD
That's what she said
I miss the D stock train s as they were more comfortable and had more character than the modern trains,
Plus the D Stock trains sounded like Underground trains unlike the S Stock
When you call the Trains on the District line D78 Stock. You reminded me of trips from my Nan and Grandad's in the early 80's. When being taken back home to East Ham from Plaistow where my Grandparents lived. My Nan would not want to get a new White train (D78 Stock) until a Red one came along. Sadly she died in 2011 so she never got to see the end of the White trains.
The red ones were the CO/CP stock, new in 1938 on the Met & Circle lines and transfered to the District to replace the Q Stock. I also lived in East Ham and as well as the CPs there were R Stock some were unpainted ally but most were painted white/off grey. Both types looked quite smart with their flared bodysides, a 3 car CO/CP survives in preservation at Quainton Road should you wish to see one in the flesh!
I remember those red District Line trains. They didn't have the door opening buttons and they didn't hiss like a snake, when the doors opened.
Those door opening buttons that used to be in the D Stock trains used to confuse people who didn't use the District Line on a regular basis. I've seen a couple of tourists sprinting up the inside of a carriage, because only the door at the other end opened.
That reminds me of when we moved to London from Rochdale in 1984 and we used to visit my aunt and my Nan at Hornchurch. We used to get the district line from Richmond and travel the whole of the line virtually to Hornchurch station. Once a month on a Sunday we travelled. It was a long journey!!
A very enjoyable and informative video, Geoff :)
I never liked the superficial revamp of the D-stock - I missed the colours, the door buttons, the wooden floors...:)
I’ll happily leave out the wooden floors if it means the King’s Cross St Pancras fire doesn’t happen again
@@class444swr3 XD yeah don't want a flaming train darting through King's cross
I still miss the wooden floor ones! Great video, thanks guys :)
Great video Geoff and I miss the D stock along with the A and C stocks. The subsurface lines had variety but now are just boring S stock trains and no variation. With the old trains you knew if your train was a Circle or H&C line train by the double door C stock and the district was single door D stock now you have to check the board.
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The Transport Hub I miss the C Stock & the D Stock because the District Line runs with the C69/77 Stock on three different sub-surface stock line trains. The District Line D Stock runs with The Circle Line - C Stock from Tower Hill to Gloucester Road, The District Line - C Stock (Edgware Road - Wimbledon Branch) from Earl's Court to Wimbledon and The Hammersmith & City Line - C Stock from Aldgate East to Barking
ND78S Yes very true.
@@transportenthusiasticman26 The C Stock had to be replaced. They were stuffed and their Miles per failure was poor. TFL wanted to standardise the sub surface stock, which makes complete sense. I liked the D Stock, extremely reliable. The C Stock on the other hand were absolute crap. The S Stock is a great replacement.
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0:27 Now that’s a very genius and well-thinking way of editing, it looks fantastic!
We need more of this maybe when the 1972s go
Geoff, I was on a Thameslink service to bedford and I heard your voice on the tanoy saying about when services on the Bedford-Brighton line would be closed ans part suspended or something . Or I'm pretty sure It was your voice. (I got on at London St. Pancras Int'l). Can you confirm this please?
Eastareajosh he made a video about it and he and Matt did the voices
@@gamercoolcraft4208 yh lol cheers. Watched it aready
Basically it is him, on Thameslink. He Announces at 5 past the hour the Brighton Mainline closures. He Says ‘Please Plan Ahead, for the Brighton Mainline Improvment works. There will be no services between Three Bridges and Brighton and Three Bridges and Lewes over selected weekends and April 2019’
My first ever tube ride in London was D-Stock from Victoria to Richmond. I loved the analog destination signs.
Mine was from White City to Marble Arch on the Central Line, it might not be the most modern or the one with the most character, but I think it’s the most ‘Undergroundy’, it gives you exactly what you’d imagine from the London Underground, and although I don’t think they’re the best trains, the 1992 Stock will be missed once replaced
7007 was the last unit but also the one that carried the olympic torch if you were don the D Stock Railtour you were on the Olympic train. its even in the brochure
I do miss the D Stock, but I love the S stock.
London Eevee Tokyo Ebisu - Swanslade 恵比寿-スワンズレイド Get to the Marston Vale line to see the D-Train.
A design that runs for 37 years is a good design but vehicle technology has progressed. Gimme the air conditioning, the larger space, the smoother acceleration. Look forward, never look back.
The ability to serve stations shorter than the train is also a plus.
Erik Griswold Nice! A bit of clever thinking to extend train size using cheap, modern electronics. Something that wasn't viable with '80s electronics. The golden age of trains may be over but they're still progressing.
I remember them when they first came out, you pushed a button to open the door! must be gettin old :/
I remember the film of the old Glasgow Underground made in the mid 70's. It also had a simulated de training of passengers. It was somewhat different. The stock was 1896 ( cable, electrified in 1935 ).
See, this is why I’m kicking myself for not paying attention sooner. I only get to London once a year on average and, while it’s likely I may well have ridden a D-Stock train, I won’t ever know for sure as I didn’t know my D from my S!
... Maybe not last of the D stock? When would the upcycled Class 230 enter service?
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Have to say I throughly enjoyed this and would like to see more content like this plus ultimate compliment imo but it was good enough that I'd paid to have watched that
I initially read your comment as `Have to say I throughly enjoyed this and would like to see more content like this plus intimate content ......' 😄😄
A few decades pass...
The Last of the S stock
Restarting seems to work on trains as well it seems...
Notice the trains in the background on the simulator have Network SouthEast style livery, a blast from the past.
Was wondering, it that nse. But this is new.
Chiltern livery
It's like I've seen myself in this video, all Frank's impressions about the transition from the old stocks to the new ones are the same I had when São Paulo metro's A, C and D Stock were refurbished into I, J, K and L Stocks. I miss the old A Stock from São Paulo metro, which I had driven in its last run in February 2018 (a very smoothly run, I dare to say, in a section where I used to test for some propulsion failure I hit top speed twice, where the normal was hit only once, and if I didn't hit even once I would report the failure).
Honestly they are great units and Im very glad they are not simply being scrapped.
Yep, they’re continuing a tradition by getting sent to the Isle of Wight to run on the Island Line, replacing the much older class 483 ex 1938 Stock
@@class444swr3The C Stock Wasn’t So Lucky
i drove the d stock for around 5 years. lovely trains.
Why just 5 years?
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHOeither he did something else afterwards (drove another train, got a position elsewhere on tfl or got another job at another company) or those 5 years were the last 5 years of the D stock and now he drives S stock. Or she
Richmond was my old town and I remember seeing this exact train because there was a camera in the cab and the driver looked a lot like him
D78 stock might be gone, but not dead. Now LNWR is using them as Class 230 and soon SWR will use them on Island Line as Class 484.
From some reason, I always liked the D-stock because its overhead voice that comes on at each station was more melodic than the more monotone voice of the S-stock, especially the Bow Road Station (westbound, towards Mile End).
The instally D78 of D sub-surface stock. It's been over 37 years or more, we miss them very much.
We can't let it scrap, there has to be somewhere to use around a worlds to offer?
Like someone said - maybe will use in New York Subway in USA, maybe any rare to use suburban japanese railway, or maybe more can use sometimes.
37 years is quite a long life for a train, many are scrapped earlier than that. Some D stock have been converted for diesel operation on the Marston Vale line from Bedford to Bletchley, other units are due for the Borderlands Line between Bidston and Wrexham later this year, as well as a few electric versions for the Island Line
Oh I forget your mention; you said Diesel for some former D stocks convention. Now someone says Class 230 (D Stock) Hydrogen Trains has now added into any local services somewhere, which more than two was Alstom iLint trains and some British rail class 321 hydrogen's along the services in any lines whenever they wanted + very useful as well for a future.
One thing really characteristic of the D stock is the only fleet on the network to have single only doors, I always thought that was nice.
Love your normal casual style of presenting ... but I also liked you track as a more formal style... either way I live your work.
At least the D Stock will live on as the Class 230.
Riding on the BEMU version reminded me of traveling on the trains when they were on the LU.
You’ve been on unit 002?
Going to start a new life in Wales, fitted with MAN diesel engines to power the drive motors and fully refurbished. In effect, brand new trains!
His expression at 12:12 instantly made me think he was given the wrong signal. Hahahah
Only recently found your channel. Were these D-Stock trains running between 1987-88?
Yes, they entered service in 1980 and stopped running in 2017
last time i was on one of these i was i year 4 and i was going on a school trip to the natural history museum
I really miss the d-stock the single leaf doors were EPIC
See America, OUR Frank Miller is much cooler than yours :P
What about the “From A to S” and “Now you C me” - will they be uploaded or at least available for purchase somewhere?
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Out of interest Geoff, will there be an update to the station master 3d map when it’s done? 😁
Extremely well produced video!
When she said "The District Line" at the start of the video, it was in time with the music. Lmao
I need to hand in party girl baton and pass it on 😧 It appears that I quite enjoy watching tube trains 😱
The simulator would not be complete until it simulates Geoff waving to the driver.
14:59 Can the public visit the Upminster Depot garden? Looks like it might be an interesting photo op.
D and C stocks were kind of like the equivalent to NYC MTA trains. At least they have more space inside than the tubes trains shaped like a semi-circle test tubes.
I have distant relations in Canada. When they came to London about 30 years ago one of them said that she found our Tubes made her feel a little claustrophobic.
Of course, as you may know, the trains come in two sizes, smaller deep- level tube trains and larger sub-surface trains that are of a similar size to those on British main lines.
I'd love to be a Directly Recruited Train Operator to be honest! Hopefully on the Jubilee line one day though!
I'm so fond of the D stock trains, because they're my favourite subway trains on the District Line. I wish they came back for express services on the District Line.
I have a question - what is the reason for still having a whistle as a audible warning as opposed to a two tone horn for the underground trains?
Dominic Ransom what is the point of a two tone horn? Here in NZ we don’t have bells on locos or two tones. We just have the horn, and that works fine.
The horns are deafening in the tunnels so they use a whistle, similar to a depot whistle on mainline trains.
Daniel I That makes so much sense - thank you very much
lachlan woodsmith - Tbh im not exactly sure. I would imagine that it has something to do with better audibility having two different tones which is why blue light services tend to use them but in terms of why specifically it has to be a two tone instead of a single i do not know im afraid. probably legislation somewhere along the line that said that all trains should have a horn and that needs to be a two tone.
@@SirDominic two tone I believe is specified by the rule book. Alternating tones is more easily distinguished against background noise, and also improves the ability to distinguish the direction that the noise is coming from. It also adds a layer of redundancy incase one horn stops working (happens a lot in snow/freezing conditions)
here subway trains use car style horns on our subway trains, and surface trains use single tone defining horns and bells .
I miss the good old D stock
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This is brilliant, did you film anything similar about C stock?
a very nice vid!
There is one D Stock in service as a Rail Adhesion Train. Its deep level cousin 1973 stock still in service on the Piccadilly line.
RIP Most reliable Tube train on the network!! 😢😢
They aren’t dead yet!
What a wonderful documentry!
And the editing was on another level, well done!!!
I was going to say exactly the same thing!! Great documentary. I love the history of the London Underground and seeing programs about the old trains, stations, advertising etc. Especially from the 70’s and 80’s.
Why!!!
The D Stock Is Better Then S stock
I hate the s stock
The S stock is better, why in the freaking universe would you hate the S Stock? Do you not like trains with technology and walk through cars??
@@Rohrbach00 The S stock is better technically, being alot more modern, but the D stock is better looking with it's elegant single leaf sliding doors and more character.
Did the D78 stock ever had a Westinghouse brake?
I was on the S stock train in the District line and saw the last d stock
Un matériel assez original avec monoportes et espace à bord ! La version suburbaine du Stock 73 ou du Stock 83 !
And now their being refurbed and used as "new" trains on North Wales lines.
The Transport Hub I miss the C Stock & the D Stock because the District Line runs with the C69/77 Stock on three different sub-surface stock line trains. The District Line D Stock runs with The Circle Line - C Stock from Tower Hill to Gloucester Road, The District Line - C Stock (Edgware Road - Wimbledon Branch) from Earl's Court to Wimbledon and The Hammersmith & City Line - C Stock from Aldgate East to Barking. That's why I only like The C69/77 Stock & D78 Stock since they like run together.
**laughs in 1972 stock**
Probably my favourite type of Tube Stock, it's just so unique,
TopGearDog, Too bad I never got to ride on it. The bakerloo stock is my fav for now until they replace them.
Ah yes the 72 stock reminds me of the 67 stock, as they're very similar in terms of design.
The test Vivarail unit still feels very D Stock like.
Yes but it caught fire...
TopGearDog yeah and? It’s been rebuilt. I’ve seen it doing endurance testing this summer.
It’s actually not the “Last of the D-Stock.” These trains (obviously) are on the Isle Of Wright since the end of last year(I think.)
Bien dommage qu'en France on n'ait pas pensé à convertir ces éléments en TER !
Remember the D-78’s iconic air whistle? Does any of you miss it?
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Does anyone know the make and model of the driver’s watch?
If I wasn’t born so late I would enjoy going to the nation museum in South Kensington but now I hate it cause they removed the d stock
I still remember the d stock they will be remembered forever
My station guys at 6:28 - Bromley-by-Bow
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what the hell!? How many trains did you go through to get to this!?
Sorry if this is a stupid question but are all Tube and suburban trains in the UK fully electric?
Not a stupid question :) All passenger Tube Trains in London are electric and run off the fourth rail system. The vast majority of mainline suburban passenger trains are electric and run off either overhead wires or third rail systems. There are still some diesel suburban passenger trains but the majority are electric.
Most of the diesel mainline passenger trains operate longer distance services.
James Dunn:
The only diesel services entirely within London now are the Greenford/Ealing shuttle, and the Barking - Gospel Oak line, which is waiting for its new electric trains to be ready. Diesel services are still quite common in other cities, and on some outer suburban services in London (although Chiltern, Wales, and East Midland are the only all-diesel franchises left).
@@jamesdunn1507 We are beginning to remove the crazy situation of running Diesel trains over electrified lines.
We still have the excellent BR Class 159 Diesel trains used on the London Waterloo to Exeter services (runs over 3rd rail from London Waterloo to Worting Junction, just outside of Basingstoke). At Worting Junction the line from London divides, the line to Weymouth via Southampton is all 3rd rail electriied now while the line to Exeter via Salisbury is not electrified, hence the need to use the Diesel Class 159.
When the replacement for the Diesel loco hauled trains (Class 50, Class 47) that served Exeter was being considered I believe that bi mode Diesel & Electric traction was considered since part of the route was electrified but, as is the case for the Class 205 / 207 `Thumpers', the additional complication was not thought worth it in those less `green' times.
I was waiting for bit about the D Stock future as DMUs
I think they have more of a future as hybrids, personally.