An army?? Really Galadriel, that's all he promised you as he made visions of the two of you in pretty dresses and crowns, together? What a liar (I love her)
I have been to the real mt doom in NZ it was incredible - this pod makes my week! you girls crack me up.. I feel like you's are in my head sometimes haha
Mallory I'm a 37 year old guy and don't usually realize this kinda stuff but your eyebrow game is ON POINT! lol, I LOVE what you and Jo do every week with your great reviews of each episode!!!!! -Joey
and Mallory if you ever become single…I will wine and dine you in the best places in Philly or just get pizza and beer and watch all 6 Hobbit/LOTR extended editions. JK, I know you’re happily married.
51:07 This convo on childhood drinks got me thinking. I think i'm slightly older than the hosts, but our household drink for three kids was Hi-C, however, it came in a- there's no other way to describe it- large soup can, like some depression era ration. You'd puncture each side with a specific type of can opener that made triangle holes, for a smooth pour. i felt so mature when mom let me puncture the holes and pour myself
There were wild horses in Middle-Earth! Aredhel was riding a horse when she met Eol in the forest in Beleriand! The Noldor didn't bring horses either from Valinor because most of them had to walk through the Helcaraxe. And werent Gil-Galad's messengers riding? We saw dead horses in the frame when the barrow-wights were dragging them off screen. But... details!😂😂😂😂😅😂 i do enjoy House of R and RofP!
Yeah truly no idea what they’re on about with this whole “there were no horses outside of Numenor” thing like, we’ve seen so many other civilizations have horses in THIS show lmao
The Siege of Eregion is going to bring lots of exciting meetings. Elrond is going to swing by Durin's. Galadriel is going to see Celebrimbor. Sauron is going to reunite with Morgoth's crown. Arondir is going to hug Damrod. Gil-galad is going to show us his spear. It is the place to be.
When you were discussing the scene with Miriel and the sea snake, you kept talking about the look that passed between them, but the point is that Miriel couldn't see it. I think the lack of fear in her eyes is part of the reason why the it didn't harm her.
There's a lot of attention on that statue of Fëanor. Almost as if it is going to be ripped down (as per visions/trailers) for another more gruesome monument to be raised in its place. Maybe the image of one great elf-smith replaced by another?
That weird nostalgia-play turning Gandalf’s line to Frodo, about how killing people as a punishment is wrong, into a Tom Bombadil line (of all people) to not-Gandalf about how maybe he should NOT save his friends, made my soul hurt Of the long list of poorly misused LOTR lines in this show, this was by far the wildest and worst
It did strike me as an odd use of those sentences. OTOH, the premise of Tolkien is that there is an eternal mystery with an eternal pantheon of super-beings who do mysterious things, some of which may strike us as evil. The Problem of Evil, in this case, is that the Stranger is forced to make a choice that will doom his friend and if he chooses to save his friend then he dooms all of Middle-earth. So the phrase "can you give it to them", about those who should have lived instead of died, does apply here.
Arondir has about 750 miles to run... About 87 hours of running at 7min/mile. So 2 weeks if he's running 6 hours a day. About 550 Miles from Eregion to Lindon
My theory: The Dark Wizard is Saruman! He was in Rhun along with the Blue Wizards, and was studying Sauron and Ring magic at that time. Also the facial structure and coloring of the actor matches the earlier physical appearance of Saruman. Tom Bombadil confirms that the Dark Wizard is an Istar and not a human sorcerer.
About violence in Jackson's LOTR movies - there's lots of it, but people become so numb to it that it doesn't register in conversations. And I have always suspected that one reason some people like those movies is exactly because of the violence and gore. If you watch reactors here on TH-cam you can observe that.
Love you guys' dirty minds lol. What an episode of ROP, loved it. Can't wait for more. I agree with your hints at the theory that they lead the harfoots to the eventual future shire ❤
Galadriel doesn't say that Sauron doesn't need armies at all - she says that to bend minds to his will he does not need armies but rings, sure, but this is in addition to what she explains before that - she says he seeks to rule NOT ONLY through conquest (by force/army) but also through manipulation. So both armies and rings. That was my reading anyway.
ya def dont mind that theyh're not focusing on isildur rn. celabrimbor doesn't ahve muchj time left. and they are doing a great job focusing on that storyline. isildur will get a lot of screen time in future seasons
Although I am really enjoying the 2nd season of RoP, I admit that seeing so many elves traveling long distances on foot took me out of the story a bit. I think the show is definitely inconsistent about the availability of horses. I hope they figure it out.
Seriously, there is nothing more cozy and fun then to work on my art while listening to you two talk for hours about the newest episode 😊 Anyway, some things: - are you sure there were no horses in Middle-earth before the Numenorian´s brought them at the end of the 2nd Age? During the first Age we have Luthien being kidnapped by Celegorm and Curufin, who were on horses. Rian went on horsback to look for her son Turin, meanwhile her daughter Niennor was thrown of her own horse. It is most likely that traveling on horsback came out of fashion durring the S.A. - did you notice how, when Adar brings out Morgoth´s crown, Galadriel tries to move as much as possible away from it, like its mere presence still holds something of that original evil in it? - don´t think that Sauron “called upon” the Balrog during his visit to Khaza-dum, he probably just sensed its presence - Uinnen was one of the Maiar (angels), and yes she was the protector of all who find themselves on stormy seas- hence why her statue in the prison kinda does make sense, if you are in prison it means you are “lost at sea” and in “dangerouse waters” - the conversation about the Secret Fire was interesting, especially when you know that the only master of it is Eru Iluvatar, the One Creator.
Hi guys I'm reading the books for the first time and I'm at the part where pharazon force miriel to marry him and it made me think of the moment when he was talking to her about what color to wear how he was uncomfortabley close to her touching her 🤮 do you think we will see that in the show
This week was nearly unlistenable - the constant immature sex references (which would have appalled Tolkien and if any of that makes it into the series would be totally opposite to the courtly romance tone of the books, which are entirely sex-less), inside jokes, cheap and easy pop culture references you laugh at way too much given how tired and played out they are on your pod and all over the Ringer, and the incessant fits of giggling and unnecessary yelling - you all make a lot of very insightful commentary and have plenty of serious and intelligent points. and frankly there's not a lot of it out there on this show, so it is so disappointing that you have to have to make it so hard to listen to the podcast by spending 1/3 or more of it acting like a pair of 13 year olds that just got out of sex ed and took some whippets
Of course much of the material of the second age is written like a history book. But it has so much potential...which the showrunners aren't using at all. They are making up their own boring plots which only remotely resemble the original texts.
You cannot simply "buy" good story telling and that is what makes a good movie, trilogy or series. It requires talent. Tolkien had it, Jackson has it but Bezos does not. T.R.O.P sucks because the people who are making it are untalented, woke hacks who Bezos bought cheap and the results are unsurprising. What is surprising is how many supposed reviewers/studio shills continue to put lipstick on this pig in the hopes that no one will notice......it's still a pig. Those "goody bags" they receive from the studios must contain some goody stuff for them to continue sullying their "reputation". Bezos tried to buy his way into the Middle Earth legacy without any understanding of the dedication Tolkien fans have for his genius. T.R.O.P. is C.R.A.P. simply put. This abomination will never be included in the Middle Earth Legendarium. I would hope Bezos would realize his mistake and pull the plug on it but being a megalomaniac (god-like self-image) it seems will not allow it. So we may actually have to not watch the full 5 seasons to come. At any rate, it will, like a virus, run its course and disappear from site forever.......hopefully. There has always been an unsophisticated audience for badly written, badly acted and badly directed shows.....like this one. Many of whom appear in the comments below.
An army?? Really Galadriel, that's all he promised you as he made visions of the two of you in pretty dresses and crowns, together?
What a liar (I love her)
I have been to the real mt doom in NZ it was incredible - this pod makes my week! you girls crack me up.. I feel like you's are in my head sometimes haha
Mallory I'm a 37 year old guy and don't usually realize this kinda stuff but your eyebrow game is ON POINT! lol, I LOVE what you and Jo do every week with your great reviews of each episode!!!!! -Joey
and Mallory if you ever become single…I will wine and dine you in the best places in Philly or just get pizza and beer and watch all 6 Hobbit/LOTR extended editions. JK, I know you’re happily married.
I'm enjoying both the TV series and the podcast on the TV series. Good work by all.
51:07 This convo on childhood drinks got me thinking. I think i'm slightly older than the hosts, but our household drink for three kids was Hi-C, however, it came in a- there's no other way to describe it- large soup can, like some depression era ration. You'd puncture each side with a specific type of can opener that made triangle holes, for a smooth pour. i felt so mature when mom let me puncture the holes and pour myself
There were wild horses in Middle-Earth! Aredhel was riding a horse when she met Eol in the forest in Beleriand! The Noldor didn't bring horses either from Valinor because most of them had to walk through the Helcaraxe. And werent Gil-Galad's messengers riding? We saw dead horses in the frame when the barrow-wights were dragging them off screen. But... details!😂😂😂😂😅😂 i do enjoy House of R and RofP!
Yeah truly no idea what they’re on about with this whole “there were no horses outside of Numenor” thing like, we’ve seen so many other civilizations have horses in THIS show lmao
The Siege of Eregion is going to bring lots of exciting meetings. Elrond is going to swing by Durin's. Galadriel is going to see Celebrimbor. Sauron is going to reunite with Morgoth's crown. Arondir is going to hug Damrod. Gil-galad is going to show us his spear. It is the place to be.
Just add Adar to the long list of the Patriarchy keeping Our Girl Galadriel down
The running theory is the mithril is the illusion he made from cutting his hand - like the moths in Rhun from the apprentice cutting her hand
Makes sense. Using Sauron’s blood in the making of the rings of men could be how they explain how the 9 Kings become Nazgûl
When you were discussing the scene with Miriel and the sea snake, you kept talking about the look that passed between them, but the point is that Miriel couldn't see it. I think the lack of fear in her eyes is part of the reason why the it didn't harm her.
YOU DARE QUESTION THE VALAR
There's a lot of attention on that statue of Fëanor. Almost as if it is going to be ripped down (as per visions/trailers) for another more gruesome monument to be raised in its place. Maybe the image of one great elf-smith replaced by another?
That weird nostalgia-play turning Gandalf’s line to Frodo, about how killing people as a punishment is wrong, into a Tom Bombadil line (of all people) to not-Gandalf about how maybe he should NOT save his friends, made my soul hurt
Of the long list of poorly misused LOTR lines in this show, this was by far the wildest and worst
It did strike me as an odd use of those sentences. OTOH, the premise of Tolkien is that there is an eternal mystery with an eternal pantheon of super-beings who do mysterious things, some of which may strike us as evil. The Problem of Evil, in this case, is that the Stranger is forced to make a choice that will doom his friend and if he chooses to save his friend then he dooms all of Middle-earth. So the phrase "can you give it to them", about those who should have lived instead of died, does apply here.
@@TheDanEdwards I mean the Gandalf quote doesn’t apply here, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to rearrange it and change its entire meaning lmao
Mallory will be SOOOOOOOO PISSED until Elendelil and Queen Mar finally hit it!!!!!!! lol
Arondir has about 750 miles to run... About 87 hours of running at 7min/mile. So 2 weeks if he's running 6 hours a day.
About 550 Miles from Eregion to Lindon
Wasn't Arondir in Pelagir, though, to start? He was never in Lindon during season 2..
@@anonymousgirl4605 yeah, 750 from Pelargir to Eregion, 550 from Lindon
My son was 4 when I started to read The hobbit.
Started to read the hobbit to him
My theory: The Dark Wizard is Saruman! He was in Rhun along with the Blue Wizards, and was studying Sauron and Ring magic at that time. Also the facial structure and coloring of the actor matches the earlier physical appearance of Saruman. Tom Bombadil confirms that the Dark Wizard is an Istar and not a human sorcerer.
About violence in Jackson's LOTR movies - there's lots of it, but people become so numb to it that it doesn't register in conversations. And I have always suspected that one reason some people like those movies is exactly because of the violence and gore. If you watch reactors here on TH-cam you can observe that.
Well that welsh folk tale ruined me day
Love you guys' dirty minds lol. What an episode of ROP, loved it. Can't wait for more. I agree with your hints at the theory that they lead the harfoots to the eventual future shire ❤
Great review again. Thanks!
Galadriel doesn't say that Sauron doesn't need armies at all - she says that to bend minds to his will he does not need armies but rings, sure, but this is in addition to what she explains before that - she says he seeks to rule NOT ONLY through conquest (by force/army) but also through manipulation. So both armies and rings. That was my reading anyway.
Speaking of Mance Rayder(Ciran Hinds), I was dissappointed we didn't see his nameless evil wizard during Tom and "Gandalf's" scene...
Lizard is actually pretty delicous if cooked correctly 😂 True story
ya def dont mind that theyh're not focusing on isildur rn. celabrimbor doesn't ahve muchj time left. and they are doing a great job focusing on that storyline. isildur will get a lot of screen time in future seasons
Most fantasies require suspension of disbelief, RoP requires suspension of a functioning brain.
Can it be that instead of mithril, what Sauron gave to Celebrimbor is his own blood from his previous hand cut and everything is part of the illusion?
For the biggest budget in TV history and over 20 years after LOTR this ROP should look GREAT. Unfortunately, the writing is not award winning
Although I am really enjoying the 2nd season of RoP, I admit that seeing so many elves traveling long distances on foot took me out of the story a bit. I think the show is definitely inconsistent about the availability of horses. I hope they figure it out.
Seriously, there is nothing more cozy and fun then to work on my art while listening to you two talk for hours about the newest episode 😊
Anyway, some things:
- are you sure there were no horses in Middle-earth before the Numenorian´s brought them at the end of the 2nd Age? During the first Age we have Luthien being kidnapped by Celegorm and Curufin, who were on horses. Rian went on horsback to look for her son Turin, meanwhile her daughter Niennor was thrown of her own horse. It is most likely that traveling on horsback came out of fashion durring the S.A.
- did you notice how, when Adar brings out Morgoth´s crown, Galadriel tries to move as much as possible away from it, like its mere presence still holds something of that original evil in it?
- don´t think that Sauron “called upon” the Balrog during his visit to Khaza-dum, he probably just sensed its presence
- Uinnen was one of the Maiar (angels), and yes she was the protector of all who find themselves on stormy seas- hence why her statue in the prison kinda does make sense, if you are in prison it means you are “lost at sea” and in “dangerouse waters”
- the conversation about the Secret Fire was interesting, especially when you know that the only master of it is Eru Iluvatar, the One Creator.
You 2 must've watched this early. The episode only dropped today!
That dude Poppy was kissing needs a FUCKIN haircut, I love when you cal him Rufio...
Queens!!!🫡🫡
The horses were brought to Middle Earth by Orome
What foul end do yall think poor Mirdania is going to meet😅😅?
OR…. HOW ABOUT: “ Mirdania, Witch King of Angmar”
Huh huh? 😂😂😂pretty good right?
... the Witch-king of Angmar is no man?
@@troffle YESSSSSS😍😍😍
I thought this episode was very, very strong, because the best stuff was so magnificent.
Ok, what was the best stuff and why was it magnificent?
@@Jeroen72 Celebrimbor-Annatar dynamics, the Two Durins and their relationship, everything about the Faithful and Númenor.
The difference is that Star Wars was written well. This series is not, in my opinion.
Hi guys I'm reading the books for the first time and I'm at the part where pharazon force miriel to marry him and it made me think of the moment when he was talking to her about what color to wear how he was uncomfortabley close to her touching her 🤮 do you think we will see that in the show
Oh my god…I hope not!!! But either way…I feel like Miriel and Elendil are going to break our hearts. 🥺😟😢
@@LunaWolf29 I know 😭😭😭
I want this show to be good so much. It is not. I’ll still keep watching.
Smials
Orome the valar who visited the young elves woken at Cuivienen
Waken
Galadriel is a Noldor they fall for lies. I think we will find Adar is a Noldor too.
Well we are all sinners. Greed and pride and power. Elendil admits and is freed from sin in a Catholic way. I would give my life for God etc😊
Had horses
His future is the dhip 3 ships to miffle earth.
About staff love is all.
This was incredibly bad. Unbelievable bad and borderline unwatchable
Your comment is lacking.
This week was nearly unlistenable - the constant immature sex references (which would have appalled Tolkien and if any of that makes it into the series would be totally opposite to the courtly romance tone of the books, which are entirely sex-less), inside jokes, cheap and easy pop culture references you laugh at way too much given how tired and played out they are on your pod and all over the Ringer, and the incessant fits of giggling and unnecessary yelling - you all make a lot of very insightful commentary and have plenty of serious and intelligent points. and frankly there's not a lot of it out there on this show, so it is so disappointing that you have to have to make it so hard to listen to the podcast by spending 1/3 or more of it acting like a pair of 13 year olds that just got out of sex ed and took some whippets
This podcast is both fun and informative. I found your comment both dull and party pooperish. Cheers.
You seem fun.
I mean, I don't mind it, it wasn't the best episode
LET THEM GIGGLE
This show just doenst hit for me. They manage to make Tolkien's material seem dull somehow :(
Much of Tolkien's material is dull. It's very dry faux-history.
@@TheDanEdwards good one.
Of course much of the material of the second age is written like a history book. But it has so much potential...which the showrunners aren't using at all. They are making up their own boring plots which only remotely resemble the original texts.
I'm still enjoying the show, but this episode felt the most "TV" so far. So many tropes adhered to slavishly.
It did feel very much TV-series-writers-in-the-room.
You cannot simply "buy" good story telling and that is what makes a good movie, trilogy or series. It requires talent. Tolkien had it, Jackson has it but Bezos does not. T.R.O.P sucks because the people who are making it are untalented, woke hacks who Bezos bought cheap and the results are unsurprising. What is surprising is how many supposed reviewers/studio shills continue to put lipstick on this pig in the hopes that no one will notice......it's still a pig. Those "goody bags" they receive from the studios must contain some goody stuff for them to continue sullying their "reputation". Bezos tried to buy his way into the Middle Earth legacy without any understanding of the dedication Tolkien fans have for his genius. T.R.O.P. is C.R.A.P. simply put. This abomination will never be included in the Middle Earth Legendarium. I would hope Bezos would realize his mistake and pull the plug on it but being a megalomaniac (god-like self-image) it seems will not allow it. So we may actually have to not watch the full 5 seasons to come. At any rate, it will, like a virus, run its course and disappear from site forever.......hopefully. There has always been an unsophisticated audience for badly written, badly acted and badly directed shows.....like this one. Many of whom appear in the comments below.