Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Part 10 of battle of midway from Japanese Perspective , Image used in this video depicts Two Type 97 shipboard attack aircraft from the Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryu fly past the U.S. Navy carrier USS Yorktown (CV-5), after dropping their torpedoes during the mid-afternoon attack, 4 June 1942. Note the heavy anti-aircraft fire. Link of the playlist th-cam.com/play/PLGjbe3ikd0XHzcsNpM8r8Z5NRMk_BaaCe.html Link of Part 1 th-cam.com/video/aWoUWlMrEds/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 2 th-cam.com/video/GUGTDrT1qPg/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 3 th-cam.com/video/9t2eaS0eJs0/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 4 th-cam.com/video/mFUEijdGMAc/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 5 th-cam.com/video/so_yo4GI1T8/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 6 th-cam.com/video/YzhxIC9J9q4/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 7 th-cam.com/video/4UGnTwiGpOA/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 8 th-cam.com/video/A7yy-RhWvao/w-d-xo.html Link of Part 9 th-cam.com/video/wO-Z00X0y8U/w-d-xo.html
I would like your educated opinion. I know this has nothing to do with today's episode. Fire bombing of Japan. Uncalled for war crime against an already defeated Japan? Or something that must be done to save American and Japanese lives? Like your thoughts.
@davidsmith7372 Sir David, Thank you for bringing up this significant historical topic. The firebombing of Japan during World War two is a deeply complex and controversial subject. Historians and ethicists continue to debate the moral and strategic implications of these actions. On one hand, some argue that these bombings were a tragic necessity aimed at hastening the end of the war, potentially saving both American and Japanese lives by avoiding a prolonged conflict or ground invasion. On the other, critics label them as unnecessary and devastating acts of warfare against civilian populations, highlighting the immense human suffering they caused. It's crucial to approach this topic with a nuanced understanding, acknowledging the profound losses on all sides. Your engagement with such topics underscores the importance of remembering history's complexities as we work towards a better understanding and a more humane world. Kind Regards Sir
@@davidsmith7372 oof that’s a dicey one. If the targets contained anything of military value and non combatants also perished, then no. If they were intentionally targets with no targets of military value? Then yes. From my understanding, all of the bombings were on military targets with the added “I don’t give a damn if it all burns” attitude attached to it. Really, if Japan would have won, there was probably a case for war crimes if I’m honest with myself. We can’t attach current weapons and precision strike capability to our thinking though, so that has to be taken into account.
@Vanayr very well said. Even with hindsight this is a hard one . Can't really tell what side of the fence I land on with this one. At the time maybe they did not know Japan was on her knees. All they knew for sure is Japan was still very dangerous. Being Right or wrong on this one I guess is just above my pay grade.
@@davidsmith7372 it’s one of those “hindsight is 20/20” moments. We were convinced they would fight to extinction, and honestly, we were probably right. Had the emperor sent out “fight to the death” I’m certain 60-70% would have done it. In the end, cooler heads prevailed, but for a few days there as we know now, it was honestly in the wind as to the response. I’m still convinced the bomb was the real push over the edge. As I say that, I’m still disturbed to this day after visiting the Air Force museum at Dayton and putting my hands on the nose of Bockscar. The souls of 70,000 men women and children rest with her, and I still can’t shake the feeling it gave me all these years later. I hope I never do.
Regarding Fletcher's superior launch ~ 33:00, Yorktown was a veteran of Coral Sea, while Enterprise and Hornet's most recent combat operation was the Doolittle raid. Yorktown had literally been through the fire. The others were going to have to catch up experience-wise.
In WW2 my father ended up in the coast guard because his brother who was in the 7th army from Africa to Czechoslovakia wrote to him: “ whatever you do when you are drafted, stay away from the army infantry “
I changed majors from computer science to electrical engineering because I stood in the wrong line for an hour. The line for CS would have been another hour and my mom needed to leave.
a bomb dropped from 15000 ft takes approximately 30 sec to reach sea level. A big ship at 28kt will travel 460 yd in 30 sec (2800 yds in 3min. It will probably just turn and not reduce speed. It can probably turn about 60 sec in either direction in 30 sec. (I seem to recall 90 sec to turn 180 on a post-WWII cruiser). Most likely the target ship will be on an arc (accounting for advance and turn diameter. I am kind of surprised at never having seen a calculation on the best formation for a B-17 force. I am guessing best is a V-formation if approaching head on or from behind. Another thing to consider. Hitting a 22kt BB (30,000 tons, 31,000 shp) is one thing. The newer 27 kt BB's were 35,000 tons and 120,000 shp. These will be much more difficult to hit. Also, an armor piercing bomb is mostly steel to penetrate armor, and only a tiny fraction of weight in explosives. Did anyone consider a "depth charge," mostly explosive in weight, thin shell. It is easier to drop near a ship. set it to explode at 100 ft or so. It may throw off the alignment of the shafts, requiring a reduction in speed, after which the ship will be easier to hit?
HMS Victorious was hit by a faulty torpedo running deep. It broke her keel. Underwater explosions at keel depth can be very destructive even if not as much as that errant torpedo.
Excellent episode. Too many mistakes on both sides. Midway proves the fact, all plans fail upon enemy contact. The leaders of both sides had never been involved in such a large and complex battle. All the war games and practice cannot simulate what occurred. Thank you Sir.
The view of the Zero by American pilots was horror at the beginning of the war. The Zero was quite a plane, too. From these memoirs, even our worst aircraft the Zero pilots found them sobering. US commanders' view of the Japanese pilot maybe not with respect thought our aircraft were inferior. The Japanese pilots saw our fighters as adequate but our numbers were overwhelming.
@WW2tales im still struggling to get them in order. Since you like to END an episode practically in mid-sentence, it makes it hard to follow along. If there was a clearly marked episode number, like in FRONT of the title names, i could save them in order & then just click on episode 1 & spend hours listening to the BEST WW2 history lesson ever !
@billotto602 Dear Sir you fill find number of each episode of this series at the end of each video's title, more over you can find episode number in beginning of video description and pinned comment as well , if you want us to share links of all the parts in sequence , kindly tell, regards
FYI: the photo is of the USS Hornet during the Battle of Coral Sea. The airplane behind her is a Zero that they shot down, but the pilot maneuvered the plane to crash into the Bridge and trigger a major fire from the plane fuel leaking out and burning down, making it rain fire.
This has been a fantastic break down. Especially given the previous ones we’ve gotten from the Japanese side. This does a great job of balancing this all out.
I know they are not very insightful. Just trying to say thank for their time. I also feel forgotten history is more likely to repeat. And we don't need to forget this or repeat it.
The likelihood of a ship hitting a free-floating mine in open ocean would have been small. With the sea floor over a mile deep, the mines could not be anchored so they would stay out of sight below the surface. They would have to float, so would be visible and avoidable.
@@thomasbeach905 that must be why I specified while being hunted or in the middle of a fleet, a destroyer doing 30 knots while chasing down a sub or launching depth charges might be a little distracted, similarly a carrier avoiding air or torpedo attack is distracted, even if they saw it you are limiting the handling options
Yamamoto wss nit a great commander, leader, strategist... If he had survuved the War, he would have been found guilty if crimes against Peace, crimes of war and crimes against humanity. His destiny would be tge gallows, along with his buddy Tojo
As the architec of the Pearl Harbor attack during peace time with our declaration of War would make Yamsmoyo a war criminal, but I suspect he and other officers would testify in their defense that they believed and had been informed that a declaration of war would be served upon the US prior to the attack.
I don't think enough credit goes to the part the torpedo squadrons played in the fight. For had it not been for the heroic sacrific of the torpedo squadrons. Drawing off the zeros from their patrol altitudes. The dive bombers wouldn't have had such a free shot into the targets.
That part of the story has been shown to be a fabrication. American torpedo bombers arrived at different times and did not really bring all the CAP down at once. Fuchida's account was not true according to times logged for take offs and landings that day.
I saw documentary where the rear seat gunner was hanging over the side during approach to time the torpedo release with the wave troughs. The pilot said he heard his partner yelling, not yet ..not yet . now! They hadn't practiced it or anything, just made it up while in the middle of combat.
@@andrewtaylor940 I noticed he often uses American sources when he can't find a good Japanese source. It has been really interesting listening to these episodes.
@@andrewtaylor940 Thanks for the details. It's great all this information was collected and shared with us. I've especially enjoyed learning about about Japanese doctrine.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Part 10 of battle of midway from Japanese Perspective , Image used in this video depicts Two Type 97 shipboard attack aircraft from the Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryu fly past the U.S. Navy carrier USS Yorktown (CV-5), after dropping their torpedoes during the mid-afternoon attack, 4 June 1942. Note the heavy anti-aircraft fire.
Link of the playlist th-cam.com/play/PLGjbe3ikd0XHzcsNpM8r8Z5NRMk_BaaCe.html
Link of Part 1 th-cam.com/video/aWoUWlMrEds/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 2 th-cam.com/video/GUGTDrT1qPg/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 3 th-cam.com/video/9t2eaS0eJs0/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 4 th-cam.com/video/mFUEijdGMAc/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 5 th-cam.com/video/so_yo4GI1T8/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 6 th-cam.com/video/YzhxIC9J9q4/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 7 th-cam.com/video/4UGnTwiGpOA/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 8 th-cam.com/video/A7yy-RhWvao/w-d-xo.html
Link of Part 9 th-cam.com/video/wO-Z00X0y8U/w-d-xo.html
I would like your educated opinion. I know this has nothing to do with today's episode. Fire bombing of Japan. Uncalled for war crime against an already defeated Japan? Or something that must be done to save American and Japanese lives? Like your thoughts.
@davidsmith7372 Sir David, Thank you for bringing up this significant historical topic. The firebombing of Japan during World War two is a deeply complex and controversial subject. Historians and ethicists continue to debate the moral and strategic implications of these actions. On one hand, some argue that these bombings were a tragic necessity aimed at hastening the end of the war, potentially saving both American and Japanese lives by avoiding a prolonged conflict or ground invasion. On the other, critics label them as unnecessary and devastating acts of warfare against civilian populations, highlighting the immense human suffering they caused. It's crucial to approach this topic with a nuanced understanding, acknowledging the profound losses on all sides. Your engagement with such topics underscores the importance of remembering history's complexities as we work towards a better understanding and a more humane world. Kind Regards Sir
@@davidsmith7372 oof that’s a dicey one. If the targets contained anything of military value and non combatants also perished, then no. If they were intentionally targets with no targets of military value? Then yes. From my understanding, all of the bombings were on military targets with the added “I don’t give a damn if it all burns” attitude attached to it. Really, if Japan would have won, there was probably a case for war crimes if I’m honest with myself. We can’t attach current weapons and precision strike capability to our thinking though, so that has to be taken into account.
@Vanayr very well said. Even with hindsight this is a hard one . Can't really tell what side of the fence I land on with this one. At the time maybe they did not know Japan was on her knees. All they knew for sure is Japan was still very dangerous. Being Right or wrong on this one I guess is just above my pay grade.
@@davidsmith7372 it’s one of those “hindsight is 20/20” moments. We were convinced they would fight to extinction, and honestly, we were probably right. Had the emperor sent out “fight to the death” I’m certain 60-70% would have done it.
In the end, cooler heads prevailed, but for a few days there as we know now, it was honestly in the wind as to the response.
I’m still convinced the bomb was the real push over the edge. As I say that, I’m still disturbed to this day after visiting the Air Force museum at Dayton and putting my hands on the nose of Bockscar. The souls of 70,000 men women and children rest with her, and I still can’t shake the feeling it gave me all these years later.
I hope I never do.
If no one has mentioned it, thank you for adding episode numbers. Makes it a LOT easier to keep up with where I am in the playlist.
Sir thank you so much for the kind feedback, 🙏 we should have started adding episode numbers in titles way earlier, please accept our apologies 💐
@@WW2Tales trust me, I’m not complaining about the content. It’s glorious 😁
Sir very kind of you for your generous support 💗
Regarding Fletcher's superior launch ~ 33:00, Yorktown was a veteran of Coral Sea, while Enterprise and Hornet's most recent combat operation was the Doolittle raid. Yorktown had literally been through the fire. The others were going to have to catch up experience-wise.
"All the marching in the army seemed too much work" - Too funny.... but true.
In WW2 my father ended up in the coast guard because his brother who was in the 7th army from Africa to Czechoslovakia wrote to him: “ whatever you do when you are drafted, stay away from the army infantry “
I changed majors from computer science to electrical engineering because I stood in the wrong line for an hour. The line for CS would have been another hour and my mom needed to leave.
I loved this book another book that many people would probably love in this format would be Neptunes Inferno a very intense book.
Wonderful series
Thank you so much sir
a bomb dropped from 15000 ft takes approximately 30 sec to reach sea level. A big ship at 28kt will travel 460 yd in 30 sec (2800 yds in 3min.
It will probably just turn and not reduce speed. It can probably turn about 60 sec in either direction in 30 sec. (I seem to recall 90 sec to turn 180 on a post-WWII cruiser). Most likely the target ship will be on an arc (accounting for advance and turn diameter.
I am kind of surprised at never having seen a calculation on the best formation for a B-17 force. I am guessing best is a V-formation if approaching head on or from behind.
Another thing to consider. Hitting a 22kt BB (30,000 tons, 31,000 shp) is one thing. The newer 27 kt BB's were 35,000 tons and 120,000 shp. These will be much more difficult to hit. Also, an armor piercing bomb is mostly steel to penetrate armor, and only a tiny fraction of weight in explosives. Did anyone consider a "depth charge," mostly explosive in weight, thin shell. It is easier to drop near a ship. set it to explode at 100 ft or so. It may throw off the alignment of the shafts, requiring a reduction in speed, after which the ship will be easier to hit?
HMS Victorious was hit by a faulty torpedo running deep. It broke her keel. Underwater explosions at keel depth can be very destructive even if not as much as that errant torpedo.
Thanks for these videos, get tired of music while driving.
@brianferus9292 Sir very kind of you
Excellent episode. Too many mistakes on both sides. Midway proves the fact, all plans fail upon enemy contact. The leaders of both sides had never been involved in such a large and complex battle. All the war games and practice cannot simulate what occurred. Thank you Sir.
@sgt.grinch3299 Thank you so much sir as always :)
The view of the Zero by American pilots was horror at the beginning of the war. The Zero was quite a plane, too. From these memoirs, even our worst aircraft the Zero pilots found them sobering. US commanders' view of the Japanese pilot maybe not with respect thought our aircraft were inferior. The Japanese pilots saw our fighters as adequate but our numbers were overwhelming.
@WW2tales im still struggling to get them in order. Since you like to END an episode practically in mid-sentence, it makes it hard to follow along. If there was a clearly marked episode number, like in FRONT of the title names, i could save them in order & then just click on episode 1 & spend hours listening to the BEST WW2 history lesson ever !
@billotto602 Dear Sir you fill find number of each episode of this series at the end of each video's title, more over you can find episode number in beginning of video description and pinned comment as well , if you want us to share links of all the parts in sequence , kindly tell, regards
@@WW2Tales thank you so much. If you would, I'd be very appreciative !
FYI: the photo is of the USS Hornet during the Battle of Coral Sea. The airplane behind her is a Zero that they shot down, but the pilot maneuvered the plane to crash into the Bridge and trigger a major fire from the plane fuel leaking out and burning down, making it rain fire.
Hornet was not at Coral Sea. The Lexington and Yorktown were...
Shells aren't tracers. Projectile however can be a tracer.
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@barneyfife291 Thank you so much sir for listening
Still on edge even though I know what is going to happen.
This has been a fantastic break down. Especially given the previous ones we’ve gotten from the Japanese side. This does a great job of balancing this all out.
awesome
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Every video you make sure to drop a comment in. Absolutely commendable buddy.
I know they are not very insightful. Just trying to say thank for their time. I also feel forgotten history is more likely to repeat. And we don't need to forget this or repeat it.
@@davidsmith7372 100%
@@davidsmith7372 I’ve also noticed your comments and have put recommendation's of promotion for 2 ranks in class and pay raise sir 😄
Wow
Why didn't subs have mines they could release while being hunted or if they find themselves in the middle of an enemy fleet?
Never even thought of that. That’s a marvelous idea.
They did. Some missions were primarily to lay mines.
The likelihood of a ship hitting a free-floating mine in open ocean would have been small. With the sea floor over a mile deep, the mines could not be anchored so they would stay out of sight below the surface. They would have to float, so would be visible and avoidable.
@@thomasbeach905 that must be why I specified while being hunted or in the middle of a fleet, a destroyer doing 30 knots while chasing down a sub or launching depth charges might be a little distracted, similarly a carrier avoiding air or torpedo attack is distracted, even if they saw it you are limiting the handling options
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Perhaps they could have made a mine to float at say 10-15 feet depth with a surface presence disguised as a periscope.
Wonder if angled flight decks would have helped the Japanese carriers?
They would have helped any carrier.
And then......disaster
At that point in the war the Japanese had superior pilots and aircraft. The American devastators weren't very impressive.
Yamamoto wss nit a great commander, leader, strategist... If he had survuved the War, he would have been found guilty if crimes against Peace, crimes of war and crimes against humanity. His destiny would be tge gallows, along with his buddy Tojo
I've noticed a lot of Japanese sources find lots of faults in Yamamoto.
As the architec of the Pearl Harbor attack during peace time with our declaration of War would make Yamsmoyo a war criminal, but I suspect he and other officers would testify in their defense that they believed and had been informed that a declaration of war would be served upon the US prior to the attack.
I don't think enough credit goes to the part the torpedo squadrons played in the fight. For had it not been for the heroic sacrific of the torpedo squadrons. Drawing off the zeros from their patrol altitudes. The dive bombers wouldn't have had such a free shot into the targets.
That part of the story has been shown to be a fabrication. American torpedo bombers arrived at different times and did not really bring all the CAP down at once. Fuchida's account was not true according to times logged for take offs and landings that day.
I saw documentary where the rear seat gunner was hanging over the side during approach to time the torpedo release with the wave troughs. The pilot said he heard his partner yelling, not yet ..not yet . now! They hadn't practiced it or anything, just made it up while in the middle of combat.
@@larrytischler570Yes, very different times. The real value was in keeping CAP launching and recovering.
There is a way too high overload of ads so I am stopping this video.
@davidkimball7427 Sir really sorry for the inconvenience
this guy just makes up his own history
@@andrewtaylor940 I noticed he often uses American sources when he can't find a good Japanese source. It has been really interesting listening to these episodes.
@@andrewtaylor940 Thanks for the details. It's great all this information was collected and shared with us. I've especially enjoyed learning about about Japanese doctrine.
@@ddegnIt was difficult for western historians to acquire and translate Japabese sources.