'Tis my duty to end all magic through shear will. With the help of my armor and trusty Dragon Tooth of course. As it is yours to fight the darkness my friend, Artorias of the Abyss. I truly admire your astounding power of "The flippity flip " and shall forever be jealous of such agility, of which I have none whatsoever.
+Salted Almost everyone in there are assholes. Even the Chosen Undead is an asshole. Just a few guys that are the nice ones, like Solaire, Laurentius and, of course, Artorias.
I never thought that the dragon covenant might be the remains of havels followers. The way that it is implied is masterful. This guy should consider a career in writing
I like to think he hated magic so much, so damn much that he created the miracles Magic Barrier and Great Magic Barrier. And the fact that Gwyn allows Seath to continue to live and he sided with him in the war AND granted him dukedom... I think Havel was tired of Gwyns magic bullshit and wanted to end it, he was the only one with the strength to take on the gods themselves. All he needed was the right weapon. That's why we find an Occult club with his armor in Anor Londo. I think he was captured and locked in the tower right before he was going to kill Gwyn and Seath.
but, if he is "locked" in that tower, why he doesn't leave when, YOU(chosen undead) opened the door, if you run from him, and leave the tower, he's just gonna come back to his original spot : /
Diego de Souza It's likely that Havel had gone hollow during his "stay" in the tower... His purpose of killing Gwyn and Seath was taken from him when he was caught and locked away.
shottybeatssword Hollows seem to recall their last duty or will. Hollow guards will still guard, hollow soldiers still remember how to fight, hollows in asylum are just crying, even if they no longer have minds. That would imply that Havel was content with being imprisoned - or that the prisoner in the tower is not the true Havel. Havel's ring suggests that replicas of Havel's gear were given to his soldiers, so maybe the person in the tower was one of bishop's warriors who voulontiered/was commanded to pose as the true Havel and have himself imprisoned in his place, possibly explaining why he is happy to stay inside, and why we find Havel's armor and weapons in Anor Londo, a place where the person in the tower couldn't possibly have put his gear, as he dies while still using it, in the tower.
Izzder So you meant to say that the final wish of 'Havel' was to keep up the appearance of being Havel and never leave the Tower. Explains why he/she won't leave it.
I was thinking "I don't remember such a journal!?" Until I realised you must have concocted this beauty in your head! Fellow brother of the arts, thank you for your magnificent stories.
Seathe can’t read, he’s blind. He uses brail or has his channellers read them to him. He doesn’t read anymore though, because he went insane from the overflow of knowledge. If he wasn’t insane and knew that you were going to link the fire perhaps he would have just given you the lord soul.
@@tuckerbrady4846 hollows are empty souless husk they aren't human or undead Undead were humans were were marked by gwyn with the seal of fire on their humanity aka the dark sign and they eventually lose all their humanity aka all their dark soul and eventually hollow Humans aren't hollows because hollows are souless husk while humans possess a soul a sprite of humanity a piece of the dark soul so since they possess a soul they are listed as a different species Unkindled are humans who failed to become lords of cinder and instead were burned to nothing but ash and will rise like undead when the fire begins to fade and they are undead but they cannot hollow unless they do yoel's quest so the Unkindled are cursed by resurrecting after death but they don't hollow Humans have a dark soul Undead have a dark soul but eventually lose it over time Hollows have no soul because they are empty souless husk Unkindled have a soul but don't hollow because their humanity has been all burnt up and become embers Hollows are a species Humans are a species Undead are a species Unkindled are a species According to the intro of ds1 every humanoid species such as the lords, giants, humans, pygmies, etc. Were all once hollow but became new species once they possessed souls Also beings who possess souls can die and stay dead while undead are linked to the bonfires and resurrect from death and are immortal but in doing so they lose their souls aka their humanity Unkindled are also linked to the fire but will only rise from the ashes when the fire is in danger of fading but the difference between normal undead and unkindled ash undead is that Unkindled do not hollow because their humanity has been burnt up and become embers so they no longer are beings of dark but are instead now beings of light Undead humans are dark beings Unkindled humans are light beings
@@markomiletic9992 no because seathe possessed his own soul before gywn gave him a piece of his Also hollowing only happens to humanoid beings but it happens mostly to humans because gywn placed the dark sign aka the seal of fire on their humanity to make sure they lose it over time in order for them to want to cure the curse and to make them want to link the fire over and over again to prolong the age of gods aka the age of light aka the age of fire
+LoganSoulsBorne4 Thanks Logan! I'm a much better editor and narrator now but I still consider my Legends of Lordran series some of the best work I've ever done. I appreciate compliment.
This whole video is an interpretation of the his legend pieced together by vid-maker. but Havel is definitely undead. Undead came into being when Lord Gwyn linked himself to the flame. He defied the natural order and the Dark Ring was the curse created. Havel was locked in the basement before Gwyn linked and just happened to get cursed while down there. but its interpretation.
I know Souls lore like the back of my hand but, nearly 2 years after first seeing this video I still come back to watch it every now and then. I still get shivers up my spine listening to this and it reminds of when I first played Dark Souls. Even though some of this is just speculation, it is presented in such an amazing way.
You have a talent for telling stories. It's impressive how you take the few pieces of in-game evidence to create a compelling, convincing story about the character of your tale. I also like how you chose a first-person perspective for Havel's tale. The narrative sounded personal, and I feel that I understand the personality and inner struggles of this heroic bishop.
Dark Souls Lore is awesome, but i wished there were at least some stories which end in a good way. It would make the following once a bit more intriguing. As it is now, you basically know how every single Story ends in Dark Souls 2 aswell - either tragedy, madness or death.
DiRtEPanther Well, not really. If you save Solaire, he finds his Sun in lighting the bonfire. It is a small sea of fire, warming and protecting all those, who look at it, whilst praising. The Kiln IS a sun in its own. We also thought a little about it with a friend and there are a couple of people you can actually save by exploiting your knowledge. That is ofc, if Solair lits the bonfire and you go back to do all the stuff there was no time for. First off - The firekeeper at the firelink Shrine. I actually think its Astraea from Demon's Souls - the says that she is inpure by a degree, that required her tongue to be cut out. Remember her in Demon's Souls? She had followers. Hollows who were harmless, praying to her and a knight by her side. New followers are there - they are right below the shrine, praying to her from below. And she - lost her Knight - wish not to speak to anyone, for any reason. She may overcome the grief and become happy again, if someone would drag her out of her misery. The maiden, who goes into the catacombs - kill Petrus, dont buy all her wonders. She will wait unharmed for you. Quelaan - we dont know how much humanity she needs, but dear Gwyn, i will facestomp Darkwraith covenants until she had enough. Also - the Goddess' Blessing cures everything, as the description says, so it should be able to heal both Firekeepers - the one in Anor Londo and the Fair Lady. Priscilla wakes over her kingdom, yet she maybe wouldnt need to, once Seath is gone and all of the old ones. New rulers are required to keep the balance and who would be suited better for it than a kind, yet strong mistress?
@@ShiningDarknes Dark Souls isn't just a reference to the games currency or titular Dark Soul that gave rise to humanity. It's a play on words. Dark hearts. Dark souls. These are all hardened characters, either driven mad or doomed to a fate they can never escape. Dark...souls.
Enjoyable, I love the transition in his name. From Bishop, to just Havel, and finally Havel the Rock. There were some odd repetitions in the spoken word that cut the flow of speech that threw me off, but conceptually I it was much better than I expected. Also what seemed to be the words "occult" rebellion in reference to how the Occult Club got there with Havel that I have to point out for viewers who may have not caught it.
this is more like Havel's personal backstory, you should look a little into the videos about Velka and other lore videos about Havel, from what I've seen/read the rebellion did happen, or maybe it didn't but there's much more to Havel ('s followers) than meets they eye
It would seem that no matter what, mankind is destined to transform into something other than human. They can either desperately cleave to faith in the gods until the last bit of humanity is used up...or they can turn into monsters in open rebellion of their unjust rulers...
Bit ironic now that in dark souls 2 that all you see is cheap Havel mage or hex builds... or they might even mix in the jester gear so they cant be back stabbed when there is a break in spell spamming
In all honesty, I think that the Dragon in Ash Lake might be him due to the Humanoid face (if I'm looking correctly). Reason why the "Havel" we see in the tower is not him is due to the ring description which states that "Havel's men wore this ring to express faith in their leader and to carry a heavier load" thus leading that the havel that is found in the tower might be one of his men. Now, the reason why I think that the Ash Lake dragon is in fact the real Havel is because of A) how the final entries in this video say how he picked up one of the scale and felt the power of the dragon within himself. B) How he believed that the only method in which to defeat a god was to be a dragon. C) If you look at the Ash Lakes dragons physical body and compare it to the human dragon form or (Baby Dragon in size) They're completely identical EXCEPT, the Ash lake dragon has wings and a tail. D) Both Dragon covenant provided items (Dragon head stone, Dragon torso stone) make it quite seem that due to havel's belief in dragons being the only stronger than gods that maybe he had found a way to become one himself during the time he was in ash lake. nothing but speculation on rough analysis /:
Even though you don't get those items off the "not real Havel" when you kill him in the watch tower, you still find those items in the palace of Anor Londo. Just saying... either way, it would appear that there's more than one set I guess.
I thought it would be fun to do Havel vs. Havel. We hit each other and both died. The ring did not appear, and I was doing a strenght/heavy equipment build...how fucked am I?
Hi TerraMantis. Just wanna say that I’ve been watching these lore videos for years and I love the way you explore what the characters are going through. I think it’s really great. I know you probably won’t see this, but I just wanted to say that.
Havel actually was utilizing the Occult element, which is known to kill the gods. It is thought that he was in league with an "actual" god, Velka, and that his treachery is the reason why the Black Ember was sealed away in the Painted World. This is why there's an Occult Club next to his armor set.
However, is it ok if I say something? I’m not criticizing your interpretation of the lore or anything like that, but I also wanna give my personal opinion if it’s ok. I could be wrong, and everyone is welcomed to disagree. But here we go. I personally don’t think Gwyn was supporting seath’s Experiments. I think Gwyn was just as disgusted by what Seath was doing as everyone else was, and there is evidence of this. For example, you know how Frampt, who worked closely with Gwyn and likely shared the same views as him, only gives 1 soul if you sell Smough’s gear? Well, if you give him anything relating to Seath, whether it be his sword, the Channeler gear, or even crystal weapons, he will only give one soul. This possibly shows that Gwyn likely looked down on what Seath was doing. Seath is described as a former confident of Gwyn, which likely means that when he went mad, he was no longer an ally. Also one more thing, although I’m not sure if it’s canon, in the age of fire comics, the silver knights were sent to investigate the disappearance of the maidens, and they faithfully serve Gwyn himself. Gwyn in my opinion isn’t as bad of a guy as most people think. And before anyone says anything, I just wanna say I actually used to have many of the same views on Gwyn as others did. However, as I found out more about him, I came to respectfully disagree, and I still love this video despite what it says on Gwyn. I don’t think he was perfect, but he was still a good person to an extent. But anyways, that’s just my opinion, and anyone is free to disagree. Well, have a good day everyone. Sorry for the long text. Hopefully I’m not being a jerk
I found Havel's grave in Dark Souls 2, it appears the way of white must've reclaimed his body. The large coffin is his, he was buried with his armor, the bottom has collapsed allowing his armor to fall into the waters that you can use as a way into The Gutter. Someone took his armor, gathered it up, and locked it away. The fact that the forgotton key is needed to access it speaks of somthing troubling.
Brmd Sloop Black Knight Shield Description: Shield of the Black Knights that wander Lordran. A flowing canal is chiseled deeply into its face. Long ago, the black knights faced the chaos demons, and were charred black, but their shields became highly resistant to fire.
The foolish knights of Gwyn became black knights in the war against demons, and they became disembodied spirits after they followed Gwyn to link the flame.
such an amazing video , storytelling and fitting music , you made me so drawn in dark emotions , i feel just if i could cry and beat myself in ash lake , like those hollows near the sunken city of new londo , i feel that i am slowly turning hallow.
TerraMantis, did you write that!? This is awesome! Dark Souls is practically the only game I played for the last 2yrs. I'm sitting stoned, it's 2am and I feel like my inner child just heard a nice bedtime story. That was a very pleasant 8 mintues. Thanks dude. Great stuff.
Yes, I write everything on my channel. There are 8 other lore episodes. Artorias and Gwyn seem to be regarded as my best work according to comments in those videos. That being said, I suggest starting at the beginning because the series follow an overarching idea and then is concluded with Gwyn. The series is in order on the Legends of Lordran playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLf6R7zJ4pJ54uGef6QiU82O0sKeJhQIyw.html
TerraMantis Ok. I'll check the rest of them too. Just watched all your '10 things you didn't know' videos and I was amazed at least 3 times. Good job, man. Very impressive. And thanks for replying to my comment.
Well if you think about it for a sec havel the rock fought demons attempted to kill seath but failed and stppd out against his god not only did he do that but you are actually following the footsteps the havel the rock he was the first human being to ever do that but he failed becuase he had fear that gywn would kill his men so he was locked away he men scatered across the world without a leader thats why you find another set of havells stuff in darksouls 2 thats not havel but one of havels men anyways years later the chosen undead arrives and after he rings the two bells and makes it to anor londo he starts off where havel ended......and the dukes archives
Hmmmmmhhhh.... Didn't the three red guys from New Londo save Lordran by sealing the Abyss? Okay, they drowned an entire city, but that was kinda necessary, wasn't it?
havel would likely see it this way. he is ...uneasy about magic. Also they did drown the city. I do agree with you, though I was not there and like much of history u can only hope they tried for the best answer.
Again you have made my night TerraMantis! c: Thanks, Havel is without a doubt my favorite character in dark souls. It would be really cool to see a covenant or at least something based on his legend in dks2, The way of stone or something.
IF YOU SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN!
I'd wish to see this extended up to the part where it is explained why does Havel own an Occult weapon (The only weapons capable of opposing the gods). It would be awesome!
This was absolutely amazing, this is the best presented, most detailed lore video ive ever watched the story makes so much sense and is so deep. The only thing that I think could have made it better would be sections of havel fighting through the areas in between entries in the journal just thirty seconds or so. But that would just be a nice extra the video is excellebt as it is, I'm going to watch it again now :-)
Perhaps it was not Havel in the Cellar, as the ring dropped states it was worn by Havel's followers. A there is no body of his left, perhaps he survived, with his men taking up arms against the gods, resulting in Havel's left hand being locked in the tower and being passed off as Havel instead.
Hyper Well, the discription of Dragon Tooth says, that its HIS legendary hammer and therefore only one could have it. Its also stated somewhere else, that he was locked there out of protection.
paranidherc So how is the guy in tower holding a dragon tooth and also there is one in the basement of Anor londo? Clearly there are more dragon teeth than one.
Taapertajaankka With that helmet always on, surely Gywn could have imprisoned the wrong Havel armour wearing soldier, and Havel went of to the path of the dragon covenant
Im guessing every lore decoder is gonna take a while before they explain later areas in DS3. im still wonder wtf when the sorcers can summon Havel the rock at dragon peek
+Domonic Williams I don't think it's actually Havel since all of his men also had the armor Havel wears. There is some speculation that even the "Havel" that is fought in the tower near the Hydra in DS1 is not actually Havel, but another one of his knights who was either entrusted with or found his shield and club.
Jack Stanek They really dont give us a reason to believe its not him. Is there any item descriptions or scenary explaining this inheritance thing you speak of? Not saying the shoe wouldnt fit just asking where did the idea to wear it come from.
If you are talking about the Havel in DS1 I can't remember the evidence I saw in a video, but it pointed out the possibility that it wasn't him. I'll try and find it eventually. It definitely could be him though but like I said there is speculation both ways.
+Domonic Williams "Havel" in the tower (ds1) drop a havel ring so that mean it's not him for sure. It was his knight. Real Havel doesn't need to wear a ring, because he was strong enough to do it by himself.
here is the way I see it (and probably only me...). one of the item descriptions pretty much said the havel and gywn were old war buddies, so I started with that. havel was in the fight against the dragons as a vassal of gywn himself. so he was a grand warrior, as indicated by his excessive armor and warbound title. Havel ascribed the lofty notion that had once crossed the minds of the smiths alive in the old demon's souls days: the only think hard enough to crush dragon flesh, is dragon bone. after the rages of war dragged on the day was finally won by seath, the betrayer. seath was then given a position of duke, even higher than that of his own. old hatreds die hard, and Havel the rock was no exception from this rule. and that a dragon, the enemy, could not only be accepted as on of our own, but given a higher position than even himself? A warrior who fought beside the great gywn himself!? had gywn gone mad? this was too much, even for the rock... he experiment with the occult, and even had an uprising that had some success... but it was not enough. eventually, he realized that in order to kill a dragon, he needed weapons that were as strong as a dragon was. so he traveled down, down into the arch trees to find the power of dragons... what he found down there we can only guess.
Well, if it was Havel himself, locked up in that tower, then I have to feel sorry for him even more. Such great and honorable warrior, killed by few dozens of firebomb.
As for the Dragon of Ash Lake, I believe it's just a child, or a newborn at least. Hence why it looks so different (and pretty stupid as well, in my opinion) and the Transcendent Apostles are caring for it by bringing it the scales. Which is also why Kalameet, Gaping Dragon, Hellkite Dragon are all larger than it. The Everlasting Dragons were the most powerful ones, and I'd be surprised if they were that size.
Nice yarn. Is there any lore that Havel went to the Duke's archives? I know you find his barrier in Ash Lake and EpicNameBro thinks he was a traitor and did join the occult rebellion because an occult axe was found with his things in Gwyn's old keep. I am by no means an expert and at the Duke's archives right now so would love to find the items for myself
This doesn't explain why his set is found in Anor Londo and that, he stationed himself at the bottom of a tower; I thought he was imprisoned in the duke's archives.
He was imprisoned in the watch tower. If you read the description for the watch tower key it'll say Gwyn locked away a friend for his own good. Also the armor found in Anor Londo gave some notion that perhaps his men were infact starting a rebellion.
That last part, was that added just cuz, as a tease, or is there some actual reason to think that people, havel (probably not) or others were becoming dragons for a purpose?
Its too bad that havel is not fleshed out as much as he deserves, such an interesting character. Oh and a badass to boot.
I like how in the 3rd entry he no longer titles himself with 'Bishop' nice touch
When I killed Seath I killed him in Havel's name
When I killed Seath, it was with a Dragon's Tooth and a Boulder. that and some Anti-Magic bug spray.
I killed Seath in Rhea's name; she will always be M'lady.
I only wish I had joined thee to fight along side the beast itself!
Great idea!
I will wear havel's mighty armor when i smith the pale dragon next time!
'Tis my duty to end all magic through shear will. With the help of my armor and trusty Dragon Tooth of course. As it is yours to fight the darkness my friend, Artorias of the Abyss.
I truly admire your astounding power of "The flippity flip " and shall forever be jealous of such agility, of which I have none whatsoever.
Long story short
Gwyn is not a good guy
***** A very Puckered ass hole if i might add
*Parries*
*****
Ayee
+rapidlypen now i want to eat taco
+Salted Almost everyone in there are assholes. Even the Chosen Undead is an asshole. Just a few guys that are the nice ones, like Solaire, Laurentius and, of course, Artorias.
+reckzn what about sif
I never thought that the dragon covenant might be the remains of havels followers. The way that it is implied is masterful. This guy should consider a career in writing
You just made my day better, and I needed it. Thank you.
=)
My thoughts exactly
@@TerraMantis terrific job, that part killed me
@TerraMantis what's happened to your channel man :(
@@jacksonsainsbury8523 He has a career with a game firm.
I like to think he hated magic so much, so damn much that he created the miracles Magic Barrier and Great Magic Barrier. And the fact that Gwyn allows Seath to continue to live and he sided with him in the war AND granted him dukedom... I think Havel was tired of Gwyns magic bullshit and wanted to end it, he was the only one with the strength to take on the gods themselves. All he needed was the right weapon. That's why we find an Occult club with his armor in Anor Londo. I think he was captured and locked in the tower right before he was going to kill Gwyn and Seath.
but, if he is "locked" in that tower, why he doesn't leave when, YOU(chosen undead) opened the door, if you run from him, and leave the tower, he's just gonna come back to his original spot : /
Diego de Souza It's likely that Havel had gone hollow during his "stay" in the tower... His purpose of killing Gwyn and Seath was taken from him when he was caught and locked away.
Diego de Souza He is hollow beyond repair i think.
shottybeatssword Hollows seem to recall their last duty or will. Hollow guards will still guard, hollow soldiers still remember how to fight, hollows in asylum are just crying, even if they no longer have minds. That would imply that Havel was content with being imprisoned - or that the prisoner in the tower is not the true Havel. Havel's ring suggests that replicas of Havel's gear were given to his soldiers, so maybe the person in the tower was one of bishop's warriors who voulontiered/was commanded to pose as the true Havel and have himself imprisoned in his place, possibly explaining why he is happy to stay inside, and why we find Havel's armor and weapons in Anor Londo, a place where the person in the tower couldn't possibly have put his gear, as he dies while still using it, in the tower.
Izzder
So you meant to say that the final wish of 'Havel' was to keep up the appearance of being Havel and never leave the Tower. Explains why he/she won't leave it.
Stop it.
Your ingenuity and video concepts are too good. I quit making Dark Souls videos.
(Until my next one).
Can't stop, won't stop... eh eh
Please don't stop making video's! You are one of my favourites!
TerraMantis Can't stop the Rock.
AW YEAH! That's how you get tinnitus...
I like your videos better.
CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING?!
+Morne Knight a can of woop ass?
Thats a loot of woop ass
+Sean Simmons the correct answer was pancakes.
Just jump down from there and say something gay...
IM GAY
***** gasp, the pursuer has returned.
I was thinking "I don't remember such a journal!?" Until I realised you must have concocted this beauty in your head! Fellow brother of the arts, thank you for your magnificent stories.
I have a really strange image of a giant Seath reading little books. am I missing something?
Seathe can’t read, he’s blind. He uses brail or has his channellers read them to him. He doesn’t read anymore though, because he went insane from the overflow of knowledge. If he wasn’t insane and knew that you were going to link the fire perhaps he would have just given you the lord soul.
@@frosttroll3411 but wouldnt he then bocome hollow or something like that for giving his soul?
@@markomiletic9992 only humans and undeads can hollow i think, they are the ones with the curse
@@tuckerbrady4846 hollows are empty souless husk they aren't human or undead
Undead were humans were were marked by gwyn with the seal of fire on their humanity aka the dark sign and they eventually lose all their humanity aka all their dark soul and eventually hollow
Humans aren't hollows because hollows are souless husk while humans possess a soul a sprite of humanity a piece of the dark soul so since they possess a soul they are listed as a different species
Unkindled are humans who failed to become lords of cinder and instead were burned to nothing but ash and will rise like undead when the fire begins to fade and they are undead but they cannot hollow unless they do yoel's quest so the Unkindled are cursed by resurrecting after death but they don't hollow
Humans have a dark soul
Undead have a dark soul but eventually lose it over time
Hollows have no soul because they are empty souless husk
Unkindled have a soul but don't hollow because their humanity has been all burnt up and become embers
Hollows are a species
Humans are a species
Undead are a species
Unkindled are a species
According to the intro of ds1 every humanoid species such as the lords, giants, humans, pygmies, etc. Were all once hollow but became new species once they possessed souls
Also beings who possess souls can die and stay dead while undead are linked to the bonfires and resurrect from death and are immortal but in doing so they lose their souls aka their humanity
Unkindled are also linked to the fire but will only rise from the ashes when the fire is in danger of fading but the difference between normal undead and unkindled ash undead is that Unkindled do not hollow because their humanity has been burnt up and become embers so they no longer are beings of dark but are instead now beings of light
Undead humans are dark beings
Unkindled humans are light beings
@@markomiletic9992 no because seathe possessed his own soul before gywn gave him a piece of his
Also hollowing only happens to humanoid beings but it happens mostly to humans because gywn placed the dark sign aka the seal of fire on their humanity to make sure they lose it over time in order for them to want to cure the curse and to make them want to link the fire over and over again to prolong the age of gods aka the age of light aka the age of fire
TerraMantis, your set of Dark Souls 1 lore videos are literally the best I've watched.
+LoganSoulsBorne4
Thanks Logan! I'm a much better editor and narrator now but I still consider my Legends of Lordran series some of the best work I've ever done. I appreciate compliment.
+TerraMantis what is the lore of havel in dark souls 3?
By Strength And Guile You find their remains in arch dragon peak
The Havel in Dark Souls 3 at Archdragon is a Havel Knight, it's not Havel The Rock. He's probably there to oppose Nameless.
Wait…this suggest Havel was undead, as he awoke in the cell…after being murdered by Seath.
yes, Havel was undead. When you find him he is far hollowed.
But how could he be undead if he fought with gwyn? as far as i know the curse came after the dragons were defeated.
And that is probably not havel.
This whole video is an interpretation of the his legend pieced together by vid-maker. but Havel is definitely undead. Undead came into being when Lord Gwyn linked himself to the flame. He defied the natural order and the Dark Ring was the curse created. Havel was locked in the basement before Gwyn linked and just happened to get cursed while down there. but its interpretation.
You don't just "get" the curse, its not a cold, your born with it.
This is really, really good. Great story telling, great research, entertaining. Good shit.
I know Souls lore like the back of my hand but, nearly 2 years after first seeing this video I still come back to watch it every now and then.
I still get shivers up my spine listening to this and it reminds of when I first played Dark Souls. Even though some of this is just speculation, it is presented in such an amazing way.
You have a talent for telling stories. It's impressive how you take the few pieces of in-game evidence to create a compelling, convincing story about the character of your tale. I also like how you chose a first-person perspective for Havel's tale. The narrative sounded personal, and I feel that I understand the personality and inner struggles of this heroic bishop.
Dark Souls Lore is awesome, but i wished there were at least some stories which end in a good way. It would make the following once a bit more intriguing. As it is now, you basically know how every single Story ends in Dark Souls 2 aswell - either tragedy, madness or death.
This is a world of darkness...sorry mate, there are no happy endings.
DiRtEPanther For instance: You can save Solaire, but he is forever thrown into despair.
DiRtEPanther
Well, not really. If you save Solaire, he finds his Sun in lighting the bonfire. It is a small sea of fire, warming and protecting all those, who look at it, whilst praising. The Kiln IS a sun in its own.
We also thought a little about it with a friend and there are a couple of people you can actually save by exploiting your knowledge. That is ofc, if Solair lits the bonfire and you go back to do all the stuff there was no time for.
First off - The firekeeper at the firelink Shrine. I actually think its Astraea from Demon's Souls - the says that she is inpure by a degree, that required her tongue to be cut out. Remember her in Demon's Souls? She had followers. Hollows who were harmless, praying to her and a knight by her side. New followers are there - they are right below the shrine, praying to her from below. And she - lost her Knight - wish not to speak to anyone, for any reason. She may overcome the grief and become happy again, if someone would drag her out of her misery.
The maiden, who goes into the catacombs - kill Petrus, dont buy all her wonders. She will wait unharmed for you.
Quelaan - we dont know how much humanity she needs, but dear Gwyn, i will facestomp Darkwraith covenants until she had enough. Also - the Goddess' Blessing cures everything, as the description says, so it should be able to heal both Firekeepers - the one in Anor Londo and the Fair Lady.
Priscilla wakes over her kingdom, yet she maybe wouldnt need to, once Seath is gone and all of the old ones. New rulers are required to keep the balance and who would be suited better for it than a kind, yet strong mistress?
DiRtEPanther Of course that is really only to say there are no happy backstory/lore endings.
@@ShiningDarknes Dark Souls isn't just a reference to the games currency or titular Dark Soul that gave rise to humanity.
It's a play on words.
Dark hearts.
Dark souls.
These are all hardened characters, either driven mad or doomed to a fate they can never escape.
Dark...souls.
Enjoyable, I love the transition in his name. From Bishop, to just Havel, and finally Havel the Rock. There were some odd repetitions in the spoken word that cut the flow of speech that threw me off, but conceptually I it was much better than I expected.
Also what seemed to be the words "occult" rebellion in reference to how the Occult Club got there with Havel that I have to point out for viewers who may have not caught it.
this is more like Havel's personal backstory, you should look a little into the videos about Velka and other lore videos about Havel, from what I've seen/read the rebellion did happen, or maybe it didn't but there's much more to Havel ('s followers) than meets they eye
"and we can't get the stains out either"
you will never speak of this to anyone!
WorkGalaxy
Dad, I kinda lost the annals of history...
@@Ropewatch and your van Halen mix tape
awesome video. time taken to put these together is appreciated.
The whole journal concept plants its foundation as my favorite lore video.
Havelmages dishonor the rock!
Definitely.
It would seem that no matter what, mankind is destined to transform into something other than human. They can either desperately cleave to faith in the gods until the last bit of humanity is used up...or they can turn into monsters in open rebellion of their unjust rulers...
I feel bad for baiting him in the top of the tower in between the doors early game
Super Amazing video! Incredible History! You really got that! Nice editing! The vids on the book's page was awesome :D
gwyns silverknights turned black when Gwyn kindled the first flame while they were in the kiln, as far as I know. that's why they are rather charred
These are put together so well, it's amazing.
This was really good! I hope you will make more of these soon!
Bit ironic now that in dark souls 2 that all you see is cheap Havel mage or hex builds... or they might even mix in the jester gear so they cant be back stabbed when there is a break in spell spamming
I'm havel the rock.
Yes
did you really become a dragon?
\[T]/ Praise the rock
Your creativity is exemplary. I actually prefer you over Vaati now (especially after this video). Keep up the excellent content!
do you smell what the rock is cooking?
Great work. I can tell you love the games a lot.
I love this videos! I thought you had stopped with the Lore! Keep this awesome content coming.
In all honesty, I think that the Dragon in Ash Lake might be him due to the Humanoid face (if I'm looking correctly).
Reason why the "Havel" we see in the tower is not him is due to the ring description which states that "Havel's men wore this ring to express faith in their leader and to carry a heavier load" thus leading that the havel that is found in the tower might be one of his men.
Now, the reason why I think that the Ash Lake dragon is in fact the real Havel is because of A) how the final entries in this video say how he picked up one of the scale and felt the power of the dragon within himself. B) How he believed that the only method in which to defeat a god was to be a dragon. C) If you look at the Ash Lakes dragons physical body and compare it to the human dragon form or (Baby Dragon in size) They're completely identical EXCEPT, the Ash lake dragon has wings and a tail. D) Both Dragon covenant provided items (Dragon head stone, Dragon torso stone) make it quite seem that due to havel's belief in dragons being the only stronger than gods that maybe he had found a way to become one himself during the time he was in ash lake.
nothing but speculation on rough analysis /:
Than why is the"not real Havel"have his signature stuff?His shield and hammer?
Even though you don't get those items off the "not real Havel" when you kill him in the watch tower, you still find those items in the palace of Anor Londo. Just saying... either way, it would appear that there's more than one set I guess.
I was figured it was cause of a balancing stand point not a lore that you don't get his stuff.So it makes sense he doesn't drop it.
lol, level 40 with Full havels set and ring with his signature weapon and shield
I thought it would be fun to do Havel vs. Havel. We hit each other and both died. The ring did not appear, and I was doing a strenght/heavy equipment build...how fucked am I?
+Walamonga 1313 Fucked up
You do have megadonkey
scout wizardman What is that?
its actually called megamule it gives ya all dem items and a assload of souls
scout wizardman Oh yeah, I had it on another profile. I haven't played DkS1 in a long time.
Once again, incredibly video man.
Hi TerraMantis. Just wanna say that I’ve been watching these lore videos for years and I love the way you explore what the characters are going through. I think it’s really great. I know you probably won’t see this, but I just wanted to say that.
Havel actually was utilizing the Occult element, which is known to kill the gods. It is thought that he was in league with an "actual" god, Velka, and that his treachery is the reason why the Black Ember was sealed away in the Painted World. This is why there's an Occult Club next to his armor set.
This is fucking brilliant. I´m long done with DS but this opened up a whole new perspective again.
Another great addition to your lore series. Thanks for the quality upload.
Great stuff dude, Havel haunts so many new players but his context and significance is rarely considered, even by experienced players. Well done sir
Praise the rock\[T]/
Nicely done! good video
Still a good video! I forgot that I left a comment 7 years ago lol
However, is it ok if I say something? I’m not criticizing your interpretation of the lore or anything like that, but I also wanna give my personal opinion if it’s ok. I could be wrong, and everyone is welcomed to disagree. But here we go. I personally don’t think Gwyn was supporting seath’s Experiments. I think Gwyn was just as disgusted by what Seath was doing as everyone else was, and there is evidence of this. For example, you know how Frampt, who worked closely with Gwyn and likely shared the same views as him, only gives 1 soul if you sell Smough’s gear? Well, if you give him anything relating to Seath, whether it be his sword, the Channeler gear, or even crystal weapons, he will only give one soul. This possibly shows that Gwyn likely looked down on what Seath was doing. Seath is described as a former confident of Gwyn, which likely means that when he went mad, he was no longer an ally. Also one more thing, although I’m not sure if it’s canon, in the age of fire comics, the silver knights were sent to investigate the disappearance of the maidens, and they faithfully serve Gwyn himself. Gwyn in my opinion isn’t as bad of a guy as most people think. And before anyone says anything, I just wanna say I actually used to have many of the same views on Gwyn as others did. However, as I found out more about him, I came to respectfully disagree, and I still love this video despite what it says on Gwyn. I don’t think he was perfect, but he was still a good person to an extent. But anyways, that’s just my opinion, and anyone is free to disagree. Well, have a good day everyone. Sorry for the long text. Hopefully I’m not being a jerk
I found Havel's grave in Dark Souls 2, it appears the way of white must've reclaimed his body. The large coffin is his, he was buried with his armor, the bottom has collapsed allowing his armor to fall into the waters that you can use as a way into The Gutter. Someone took his armor, gathered it up, and locked it away. The fact that the forgotton key is needed to access it speaks of somthing troubling.
The black knights didn't become black until after the flame was rekindled by Gwyn.
Brmd Sloop
Black Knight Shield Description:
Shield of the Black Knights that wander
Lordran. A flowing canal is chiseled deeply
into its face.
Long ago, the black knights faced the chaos
demons, and were charred black, but their
shields became highly resistant to fire.
The foolish knights of Gwyn became black knights in the war against demons, and they became disembodied spirits after they followed Gwyn to link the flame.
Oscar the Fateless
Oh you can shut up Oscar, you couldn't even escape the Undead Asylum.
***** YOU'LL GO TO DOUBLE DRANGLEIC!
dude this video is amazing! i can't wait for the others
Ha! Havel locked Logan up! Priceless XD
Ever heard any other theories as to why he is locked in there?
DiRtEPanther
Not really, just that the snake-men did it. You got any better?
such an amazing video , storytelling and fitting music , you made me so drawn in dark emotions , i feel just if i could cry and beat myself in ash lake , like those hollows near the sunken city of new londo , i feel that i am slowly turning hallow.
What about Havels armor in Drangleic? O:
still love an appreciate these videos
I really like the editing in this video! and Havel the Rock is one of the most interesting characters in my opinion!
These are brilliant videos, great job.
That was amazing. I never knew the story behind havel but now I do thankyou
TerraMantis, did you write that!? This is awesome! Dark Souls is practically the only game I played for the last 2yrs. I'm sitting stoned, it's 2am and I feel like my inner child just heard a nice bedtime story.
That was a very pleasant 8 mintues. Thanks dude. Great stuff.
Yes, I write everything on my channel. There are 8 other lore episodes. Artorias and Gwyn seem to be regarded as my best work according to comments in those videos. That being said, I suggest starting at the beginning because the series follow an overarching idea and then is concluded with Gwyn. The series is in order on the Legends of Lordran playlist:
th-cam.com/play/PLf6R7zJ4pJ54uGef6QiU82O0sKeJhQIyw.html
TerraMantis Ok. I'll check the rest of them too. Just watched all your '10 things you didn't know' videos and I was amazed at least 3 times. Good job, man. Very impressive. And thanks for replying to my comment.
magnificent. in depth story telling and everything else about your videos are superb.
That last comment about the cult killed me. This is some amazing story telling
Well if you think about it for a sec havel the rock fought demons attempted to kill seath but failed and stppd out against his god not only did he do that but you are actually following the footsteps the havel the rock he was the first human being to ever do that but he failed becuase he had fear that gywn would kill his men so he was locked away he men scatered across the world without a leader thats why you find another set of havells stuff in darksouls 2 thats not havel but one of havels men anyways years later the chosen undead arrives and after he rings the two bells and makes it to anor londo he starts off where havel ended......and the dukes archives
Your story telling skills are amazing. I tip my hat to you sir. Yet another like.
this was a very good video, i liked the perspective of it being from havel himself
Can you read what the Rock is writing?!
CANT_STOP_THE_ROCK.MP4
Wow, I didn't know Havel was so important. I just happened across him with the Drake Sword and destroyed him.
This is terrific! Incredible writing
This was so immersive very well done I'm glad i saw this
Having the lore told from Havel's perspective is simply amazing!
Well done on this video , better than most. Great choice in music as well. I also am a huge fan of Acoustic Lab's Material. :)
I imagine seath just in a bed an channelers reading stories to him to make him go to sleep
Hmmmmmhhhh.... Didn't the three red guys from New Londo save Lordran by sealing the Abyss? Okay, they drowned an entire city, but that was kinda necessary, wasn't it?
havel would likely see it this way. he is ...uneasy about magic. Also they did drown the city. I do agree with you, though I was not there and like much of history u can only hope they tried for the best answer.
Again you have made my night TerraMantis! c: Thanks, Havel is without a doubt my favorite character in dark souls. It would be really cool to see a covenant or at least something based on his legend in dks2, The way of stone or something.
Way of the Fuck Magic. Get the Great Magic Barrier as a permanent effect.
Would have made more sense if you found Havel trapped in the dukes archives instead of some random watch tower.
IF YOU SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN!
THE ROCK IS COOKIN SOME DRAGON
I'd wish to see this extended up to the part where it is explained why does Havel own an Occult weapon (The only weapons capable of opposing the gods). It would be awesome!
this was fricken awesome plus your other videos... subbed !
Great! I can tell you put a lot of effort into your work. It really shows.
Just defeated him yesterday
Is that Sólstafir in the background?
This was absolutely amazing, this is the best presented, most detailed lore video ive ever watched the story makes so much sense and is so deep. The only thing that I think could have made it better would be sections of havel fighting through the areas in between entries in the journal just thirty seconds or so. But that would just be a nice extra the video is excellebt as it is, I'm going to watch it again now :-)
Havel the rock johnson
Perhaps it was not Havel in the Cellar, as the ring dropped states it was worn by Havel's followers. A there is no body of his left, perhaps he survived, with his men taking up arms against the gods, resulting in Havel's left hand being locked in the tower and being passed off as Havel instead.
wait so how did he end up at the bottom of the tower
Either Gwyn or Ornstein have put him there - for his own good as they thought.
its more likely that it is not Havel, but one of his followers instead.
Hyper Well, the discription of Dragon Tooth says, that its HIS legendary hammer and therefore only one could have it. Its also stated somewhere else, that he was locked there out of protection.
paranidherc So how is the guy in tower holding a dragon tooth and also there is one in the basement of Anor londo? Clearly there are more dragon teeth than one.
Taapertajaankka With that helmet always on, surely Gywn could have imprisoned the wrong Havel armour wearing soldier, and Havel went of to the path of the dragon covenant
Im guessing every lore decoder is gonna take a while before they explain later areas in DS3.
im still wonder wtf when the sorcers can summon Havel the rock at dragon peek
+Domonic Williams I don't think it's actually Havel since all of his men also had the armor Havel wears. There is some speculation that even the "Havel" that is fought in the tower near the Hydra in DS1 is not actually Havel, but another one of his knights who was either entrusted with or found his shield and club.
Jack Stanek They really dont give us a reason to believe its not him. Is there any item descriptions or scenary explaining this inheritance thing you speak of? Not saying the shoe wouldnt fit just asking where did the idea to wear it come from.
If you are talking about the Havel in DS1 I can't remember the evidence I saw in a video, but it pointed out the possibility that it wasn't him. I'll try and find it eventually. It definitely could be him though but like I said there is speculation both ways.
+Jack Stanek I'll do some more recreational research thanks man
+Domonic Williams "Havel" in the tower (ds1) drop a havel ring so that mean it's not him for sure. It was his knight. Real Havel doesn't need to wear a ring, because he was strong enough to do it by himself.
Dude. I loved this so much.
Havel: a rock
That would probably explain why he was locked up where you find him now.
here is the way I see it (and probably only me...). one of the item descriptions pretty much said the havel and gywn were old war buddies, so I started with that.
havel was in the fight against the dragons as a vassal of gywn himself. so he was a grand warrior, as indicated by his excessive armor and warbound title. Havel ascribed the lofty notion that had once crossed the minds of the smiths alive in the old demon's souls days: the only think hard enough to crush dragon flesh, is dragon bone. after the rages of war dragged on the day was finally won by seath, the betrayer. seath was then given a position of duke, even higher than that of his own.
old hatreds die hard, and Havel the rock was no exception from this rule. and that a dragon, the enemy, could not only be accepted as on of our own, but given a higher position than even himself? A warrior who fought beside the great gywn himself!? had gywn gone mad? this was too much, even for the rock...
he experiment with the occult, and even had an uprising that had some success... but it was not enough. eventually, he realized that in order to kill a dragon, he needed weapons that were as strong as a dragon was. so he traveled down, down into the arch trees to find the power of dragons...
what he found down there we can only guess.
Wow what a great video amazing job!
I love how imaginative your narriaton is. Sorry for bad English.
Well, if it was Havel himself, locked up in that tower, then I have to feel sorry for him even more. Such great and honorable warrior, killed by few dozens of firebomb.
As for the Dragon of Ash Lake, I believe it's just a child, or a newborn at least. Hence why it looks so different (and pretty stupid as well, in my opinion) and the Transcendent Apostles are caring for it by bringing it the scales. Which is also why Kalameet, Gaping Dragon, Hellkite Dragon are all larger than it. The Everlasting Dragons were the most powerful ones, and I'd be surprised if they were that size.
Brave brave Sir Havel...
...his sanity gone and his freedom lost, locked in a tower by the dragon boss...
Great, now it's stuck in my head.
Loving these!
Dude you should really be doing this for dark souls 3
+Yust1234
Working on it:
twitter.com/TerraMantis/status/723288456294596608
3 years ago! I have gone hollow waiting!😭😭💀
I like what he did with the signatures after the second entry...
Nice yarn. Is there any lore that Havel went to the Duke's archives? I know you find his barrier in Ash Lake and EpicNameBro thinks he was a traitor and did join the occult rebellion because an occult axe was found with his things in Gwyn's old keep. I am by no means an expert and at the Duke's archives right now so would love to find the items for myself
This doesn't explain why his set is found in Anor Londo and that, he stationed himself at the bottom of a tower; I thought he was imprisoned in the duke's archives.
He was imprisoned in the watch tower. If you read the description for the watch tower key it'll say Gwyn locked away a friend for his own good. Also the armor found in Anor Londo gave some notion that perhaps his men were infact starting a rebellion.
When i first saw him i thought he was some kind of snail-man. With a snail shell as a weapon.
This ROCKS
Youre amazing i love these videos you just earned a sub
That last part, was that added just cuz, as a tease, or is there some actual reason to think that people, havel (probably not) or others were becoming dragons for a purpose?