This Archetype is Taking Over The NBA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2023
- Specialists used to be a staple for every single contender, but talent in the NBA is just too high now, and a new archetype has become the standard.
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What’s so cool about this is that some of these specialists got better at there games and gif minutes again.
Facts!
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2 minutes in watching this = which is why I hate the style of play in today's NBA.
NBA has never been better. So much more skill strategy to be seen.
I think Klay Thompson in his championship years is the epitome of the splash and slide archetype (+ D).
Klay isn't attacking closeouts like that
@@phoenixplayz1581Exactly.
Maxey is the poster child in my opinion
Slash? Nah
@@phoenixplayz1581 I've seen their preseason game against Lakers, he's now aware of his shortcomings. I think he's been working on that in the summer because he attempted a few drives.
Klay can barely make his own shot.
This is exactly why Franz Wagner has such a high value for Orlando. Of Course he can dribble and create his own shot but additionally he is such a good off-ball player, with his eurostep and great 3pt shot. Making him a perfect fit with other ballhandlers (like banchero).
Agreed!
Malik monk is who I think of with this. He showed his value in the playoffs
Man I love seeing videos like this. So many channels regurgitate the same content and really don’t feel like they actually watch and understand basketball, it’s all just dumb off-season rumors, predictions and top 10s, videos like this are so much more interesting and engaging.
Glad you enjoyed!
I would say poole has the potential to fit this type of player as I have seen him attack hard closeouts and punish the defence with his shot making, although he is inconsistent.
JP gonna torch Dray when they meet
Hahahaha
He overdribbles too. Tries to be too flashy when most of the time you just need a jab step drive and spin/eurostep to score in the paint.
@@kennethc.2921Poole will win MIP this year averaging 25, 4 and 5 on 44, 37, 88
nah jp doesnt have a lot of defense
This reminds me of my 2k build for shooting guards. If you make a player with high enough 3pt, ball handle, and finishing, the archetype that shows is an inside-out shot creator.
I think this is why Gary Trent has struggled for consistency. Anything that isn’t a jump shot has no chance.
This was the greatest nba video I’ve seen in a while. Pure basketball breakdown by showing the culminating pieces of the game which shoes the non-star yet highly talented nba players. Just a beautiful vid. Don’t even truly know how to describe it. Thank you
That means a lot, glad you enjoyed!
I think Leaky Black, recently signed to a two-way by the Hornets, has this potential. I saw him at UNC. In High School he was a point guard. He was one of UNC's highest IQ players, and rarely turned the ball over. He has some potential as a shooter, and can put the ball on the floor, attack the basket a little bit, and make the right read. He's also an incredible defender, by far his best attribute, so I think he really could become a valuable role player on a championship level team, but he may need to be picked up by someone other than Charlotte, cause they suck. However, him next to Mark Williams could also be nice, so who knows.
I'll make sure to keep an eye on him this season!
@@HoopVenue here’s hoping! My faith in Charlotte is extremely low, and it’s possible he won’t play much. But I’m holding out hope!
You never know, sometimes all it takes is one opportunity to shine.
@@HoopVenue agreed. It still toon them a while to even play Mark Williams last year, but I still believe that Leaky Black can make an impact in this league and on this team. So I’ll just have to wait and see.
i love my homegrown NC hoopers man, i root for mostly anybody from here and Leaky is IT, just needs a chance
thats what i loved about MPJ during the finals. his shot was not at all going in, yet he would still attack the basket to try and contribute. also his defense was there too.
Going in or not you just have to be confident to be somewhat of a threat
ngl the overhanging theme that I was thinking about this entire video was just a player who knows how to play basketball. ie, play out of a triple threat with a close out. Basketball is a simple sport and it is crazy to me that at the NBA level, this was undervalued during the 3-point obsession.
This ties into why I think having a heliocentric offense built to keep the ball almost always in one player's hands is a poor way to try to construct a contending offense. I'm talking James Harden rockets, Trae young, and Luka Doncic to name a few. Not only does the lack of movement allow defenses to create and stay in really good position, I think it totally stifles the potential additions the role players can bring. It's why the "beautiful game" spurs, showtime Lakers, recent warriors, etc were so good. Even the Shaq and Kobe Lakers had an offensive flow despite having two great isolation players. Jordan scored a high percentage of his points just in the flow of the offense.
I think Kobe's years as the only great player on the Lakers, followed by the video game numbers guys like Lebron, Westbrook, and Harden were putting up has actually been bad for basketball. Only Lebron and Kobe have been able to win championships doing it and they still had to have either the perfect complement (Pau) or another star (Wade/Irving) to lessen the load.
Tl; dr: I think teams that pass and move will always beat teams built around one high usage star
I agree, another great example of "team-centric offense" very recently was the 2023 Heat.
On none of the other 29 teams would you have seen Caleb Martin's explosion in the conference finals, that's special.
@@HoopVenueEXACTLY. Love your channel
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Definitely agree that heliocentric Offense is generally a poor or at least limiting way to construct an Offense.
Having said that Steph Curry is a heliocentric basketball player, with a large chunk of the Offensive Action coming off the ball, but EVERYTHING is orbiting around him.
Jokic & Giannis is also a heliocentric basketball players, but Jokic is a GOAT Level Offensive talent it really doesn't matter.
Magic Johnson was a heliocentric basketball player. The entire Offense ran through him.
Steve Nash & Allen Iverson were both heliocentric Offensive Stars with insane amount of Offensive responsibilities, EVERYTHING ran through them when they were on the court.
Kobe Bryant was NOT a heliocentric basketball player. He was an On-Ball/Off-Ball Hybrid player who played a ton without the basketball. His Offensive Load was never that high.
@@blacknetsmed come on, you know what I'm talking about
Mannnnnn I love this type of content!!!! Great video my guy
Thank you!
The '18 Rockets problem wasn't not being able to put it on the floor. It's that they couldn't finish at the rim AND they didn't have the license to take even the easiest mid range shots. It was a "Layup or 3" strategy. That Chris Paul injury was devastating bc he gave them a reliable mid range option when all those 3's weren't falling, and he could spoon feed guys for easy 3s and layups.
Decisiveness is the key on this. I think Pat Williams could be one of the most deadly players in the league with this skill set but he always hesitates. As a Bulls fan i like Derozan but i really feel he should defer allot of shots to PWILL so he can get in to the mindset needed.
100% agree!
Been sayin that for years that Demar is a black hole stat paddin chucker. Bulls aint goin nowhere with him.
Man seriously. I remember that last game of the season against Minnesota last year and seeing Pat finally come alive was so damn satisfying.
@@sfcraiger I dont agree. Demar has a unique skill set considering he is one of the best slashers in the league along with his ability to get a bucket when its most necessary probably the best since Kobe. The problem is the Bulls isnt it. Tho on that note at the end of the season the Bulls came alive and I think it was in part cause Demar's game is changing to be better at passing.
Great video -shades of thinking basketball about this breakdown!
Loved this! Enjoyed the content man!
Glad to hear it!
Amazing breakdown so happy I found this channel
Appreciate that!
Good video, basketball 101 ‼️I like the term slash and splash too
Great stuff man. This is exactly why i love watching Nuggets basketball and am back to watching the NBA again
Nuggets are a great example of maximizing these attributes for sure.
I loved watching them last year
Being able to effectively put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts is so important for a team's offense. Even the Nuggets rookies whom they have drafted this year have show signs of being able to drive and finish inside the paint. Hunter Tyson is a 6'8 SF/PF who is a sniper from 3 but deceptively fluid for his size. And Julian Strawther is a quick 6'7 SG/SF who is also a sniper from 3 with lightning quick release. Both of them are elite shooters who understands spacing and they have the ability to attack closeouts which is a skillset that Nuggets never really had before in recent NBA drafts.
Another aspect of this to me is attacking closeouts and then being to able to consistently make extra passes, wether kickouts, dumpoffs are finding the dunker spot
For sure, teams like Miami and Boston mastered this.
Wow! Nice job. That was really enlightening!
Glad you enjoyed!
good stuff man
Good job breaking down this film. Good point. It’s best to be all around so the defense can’t play you the same way every time down the floor…
Basically this i what i got if u want to get meaningful minutes u need to be a decent player who can somewhat create ur own shots, plus be able to hit threes or be a great defender. Most of the players u mentioned are a liability on defense so, i think its safe to say be a great/ above average defender and can hit ur threes u will get playing time.
This is actually such a cool analysis your top tier man
Glad you enjoyed!
Great analysis
Too bad the Slash-Shooter build became extinct after 2k16😭😭
probably my favourite video of yours so far wow!!!!
Thank you!
October 16th 2023. First video I’ve watched from this channel, SUBBED
This may actually be your best video yet. Have not heard this point that much before. Wonderful work. This makes me think of an idea for a video - "dead" archetypes that are still valuable. Specifically I mean defensive specialists who are still valuable, especially under the right system (such as how the Warriors are able to play two non-shooters)
Glad you enjoyed, and appreciate the suggestion!
Very interesting topic, and it's something I have been discussing actually since a couple of decades. The key moment for me was seeing the 2001 and 2002 Spurs offense (that was actually pretty good in the RS) get totally clogged in the PO against the Lakers, during the 4th quarters. In particular once Derek Anderson got injured, that caused the total destruction in the 01 WCF. And that's always why I was calling for Ginobili to be an absolute difference maker in 03, and he even exceded my expectations becoming arguably the GOAT in the role you are describing here.
One last thing, you did dirty to Gallo, he absolutely can attack off the catch and make decisions, even if he lost most of his athleticism.
There's also similar a term used called "stampeding."
Yep, although that's more when a player starts moving into the drive to build up momentum while catching.
Lakers ran this a ton to get LeBron downhill in the playoffs!
This is why I can see Bird easily dominate today's game. His all around ability even when the guy is right there on him he just has everything in his bag to make something out of nothing. Ppl say he'd struggle on defense today even tho he held his own back then. I say watch this video. Wings back then were much more physical and had more of a mid range, more post game, and played grittier defense especially against a Bird. Today Bird would bait the pass to the splash and slash guy in the corner, force him to either take a contested 3 or drive past a 6'10 player with elite IQ. Majority of players cant finish over Bird consistently and he will find the weakness in your offense. If u put him on a specialist even better, if you put him on a big he'll box out like a mfer and almost never bite on anything. Majority of guys today dont got a great midrange so Bird would give them just enough space to drive but he still almost always has an advantage in size over everyone at his position. Add the fact that Mchale and Parish would probly shoot 3s today too and may even be able to catch lobs
Right on point, man
Lol bird wasn't even a good defender back then he'd always get beat by guys who are stronger and faster than him. What he was great at was anticipating passing lanes and being a good team defender. But guess who was also good at doing that? Stephen Curry but nobody thinks he's a good defender.
@LeGoat-23 Jokic and Curry both shit 1 on 1 on defense but in 5v5 are above average considering the team. Probly one of the biggest reasons Steph>Dame cause even tho he gets beat a lot he plays good team defense. Bird was the same in that way but he was guarding 3s and 4s. Against regulars his defense looks elite even 1 on 1 but against another elite player like Dominique it really comes down to a few plays on d that gets Bird that W. That and the fact he's AD height and can play the 2 and 3 perfectly
Another banger
it’s called shell defense made to stop iso basketball by over helping rotation and closing out hard
great insight
Wow great video 👏🏽
Appreciate it!
Amazing analysis!!!!
Thanks!
Two-Way Floor-Spacing Slasher is the new meta
Interesting golden state was so good at defending against the three dominant offense they popularized
Great video
Thanks!
KD ,Paul George, klay, type players are gems
Ur right the league definitely caught up these guys gotta work on they game it ain’t no reason a player if they’re the 4 or 5th option shouldn’t be at least able to attack a close out
Hey Novak at Knicks was my awakening to the future of 3pt shot in 2010?
Caris levert I feel like was one of the founding fathers of the splash and slash archetype, his performances on the nets were incredible!
This is the Shawn Marion + Manu Ginobili combo archetype ! THE MOST UNDERRATED PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY! Especially Marion…. He is EASILY the most underrated player ever ever ever! Folks have NO IDEA what this guy was!
100% agree, both were great defenders too!
Old school players like Alex English, bill Russell, Jerry west, John havilceck (didn't type his name right) are more underrated imo.
As "inefficient" the midrange game is considered to be, it is the solution to stopping that aggressive close out....love 2000s bball with 1 dribble pull up
Idk, but Luka might actually excel as a splash and dash as well if he starts to play off the ball more.
Would love to see that. Unfortunately he likes to dribble the air out the ball tho
It will always baffle me how some guys can’t put the ball on the floor. Even Klay can’t do it very well; even though I feel this year he’ll actually do it much more. But for years, he wasn’t even comfortable. I just find that amazing. That’s why I always say Devin Booker is Klay, just unleashed offensively. And I’m a Heat fan and completely understood why Duncan got less and less minutes. People who constantly tweeted 4yr/$80 Million in regards to him not getting playing time don’t understand what the coach was seeing. It wasn’t him just going cold.
Great insight. I feel like this is what Houston was trying to do... they just didnt have the personnel or execution. You dont need 5 guys who can do this- just your wings and maybe your PG.
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Tuff🔥
10/10 video
Who do you think would be more deadly jordan with magics playmaking or lebron with curry’s 3PT shooting and off ball movement
LeBron for sure.
Marjon Beauchamp. Absolutely lights out from three, 6'7 long athletic fast, can take players off the dribble, great in transition and probably the best guard defender on the bucks. If he gets more minutes he might contend for mip.
not gone lie, Houston that’s ridiculous 😂
austin reaves, lonzo ball, bruce brown, alex caruso
Idk man off the dribble offense is good and all but 3 and D is still important balance to a team I would recommend every team have at least 2 of these players in they top 7 rotation
How about 3, D, AND off the dribble offense.
(I’m a huge Paul George fan)
@@HoopVenue yeah it’ll get to the point where it’ll be to much offense on one team and players would be disgruntled
@@inspiredbyjayweightlossjou9843 the 3 and D and off the dribble players don't need to handle ball screens or get isolation opportunities, just have a more complete game in their spot up roles
high on erb
That man Steve Novak was the best 50 overall I ever played with on 2k
JDub one of the best young slash and splashers
The whole Boston team pretty much 😂
I like how this archetype can pretty much be 1 through 5 and every body type. I think the best versions of these guys are good passers especially too
Agree with everything said here!
Jaylen Brown your next video Hoop Venue 😤😤😤😤😤😤
So what would you like more 3 and D or splash and slash (no defence)?
I think that all comes down to the other players in the lineup with them.
In a situation that needs defense I'd go with the 3 and D guy, but if defense is already quality and you need guys to extend advantages, the latter.
I think in general you need to learn how to do all I mean this is basketball why not have all
Well if they are elite at every thing you need to pai them 40m
2 way 3 level threat
Draft prospects that fit this “archetype”
65%+ Layups
75%+ FT%
35%+ 3pt%
5+ 3pa/100
Will Richard G Florida
Malevy Leons F Bradley
Hakim Hart W Maryland
2023 Draft Prospects drafted w the thresholds
Both Nuggets draft picks HunterTyson, Julian Strawther
also Clippers Kobe brown
Strawther had an amazing preseason!
I think Franz Wagner and Lauri Markannen can also be Splash and Slash guys. Idk if I'm right tho
Absolutely!
I'd like to make an argument tho, these are NBA players, of course they have on ball skills(refined to an elite level), its just that their coach and management made them play that way. If they broke the play, they'd probably be punished in case it didn't work out. Only the star player in each team gets to do what they want, rest of the players have to stick to their respective roles. If this was FIBA or Euroleague, we'd see a more team game rather than star driven and rest are role player type of game.
10:30 so sad to see the BG lowlight, knowing that even just 4 years ago he would have salivated at that sort of driving lane.
Basically Micheal Porter Junior
2:49 missed carry call on Luka
When are you coming back on twitter? or do you have a new account?
Idk if I’m coming back tbh 🤷♂️
@@HoopVenue nooo. Please do. You've improved my bball knowledge a lot. I guess I would;d just have to do the learning on YT for now. Still great content.
I've been pointlessly suspended so many times, it's just a waste to grind another account up only to eventually lose it anyways.
@@HoopVenue I get you. Will be there if you change your mind.
Steph curry has gotta fit into this too clearly. The way his attack game has evolved is wild. 65-70 percent at the rim these later years for him. Insane
Nah Steph is just an insane player. A true 3 lvl scorer who can score from anywhere on the court exceptionally.
Talk about neemias queta, he was the defensive player of the year and the runner up for the mvp last g league season
He signed a 2 way and I think he could be a legit rotation player, better than Luke Kornet in my opinion.
duncan should’ve never fallen out the rotation tbf he’s always been better than strus
Bruce brown
Not one Immanuel Quickley highlight is borderline a sin.
Love IQ!
Hugging HARD and up top 😅
People try to argue that players today aren’t better than players from the past, and they try to form an argument by listing the very best players from their favorite decade. They’re completely missing the point. Where this progression is the most obvious, is when looking at role players and fringe all stars. Those players are a MILLION times better than role players of the past. 30 years ago, Tyrese Maxey would be the best player on his team. Today, he’s not even an all star. Guys like Seth Curry, Tyrese, Eric Gordon, Malik Monk, would have been stars in the past. The skill gap between the stars may not be that noticeable to some people, but the skill gap between the average to slightly above average players, is humongous.
100% agree!
Bruce bowen was the start of the 3 and D player
W video
im hoping emoni bates become that player for the cavs
This archetype is called the third option 😂
Hey it’s an important role
Alg fuel
I’m so bored without basketball
Same here brother, living off of expired film 😂
@@HoopVenue I be watching old games in TH-cam and the announcers are speaking spanish. It’s hard out here
Splash and slash I like that
Don Nelson
Another one is Eric Gordon
For sure, why he was so important on those Rockets teams.
3, D, & D
This is what the Hawks need DeAndre Hunter to be but he's never quite been consistent enough at shooting and creating
To be honest, too many teams are easy to defend if they have one player with high usage. Take Portland under Dame. This is why centers aren’t totally useless. You still need defensive rebounding and although you theoretically should get it from all 5 positions, you need centers to get offensive rebounds.
Portland’s problem was Dame was the entire offense. Under Harden’s Rockets, it wasn’t just the three point shooting. They played Golden State’s offense without the personnel to do so. They didn’t pass and Harden relies on getting fouled instead of making buckets. He travels a lot also. They were one dimensional and had no strategy to beat the Warriors by changing strategy or by the coaching.
A team that can play defense as a team, shoots well and passes well with no Star and shares the ball has a better chance at winning. It’s a team game. Isolation plays, not getting into plays right away, nothing but threes and contested shots doesn’t win games or titles.
The Blazers assume that taller guards win titles. I disagree to a point. It does help, but without experience or athleticism and being a team first player, height is irrelevant.
Now with Dame and Nurk gone, the Blazers have generational talent replacing Dame. They upgraded at center, provided that Ayton grows up and doesn’t get hurt, a perennial problem with Blazer centers.
The Blazers got better with the Holiday trade also. They will surprise many teams as Scoot is the real deal. Without team chemistry, it will take a few years before they contend, but that is normal with 95% team upheaval.
I think they should trade Grant.
If they get an average of 60 points from their guard trio of Sharpe, Simons, and Scoot, and huge games from Grant, Williams and Ayton, they will make the playoffs. This team is offensively talented but I think Scoot and Williams and Ayton will help the defense.
The difference between the Blazers and Harden’s 76ers is Portland was patient and Dame was wanted. Harden isn’t wanted by any team.
He was overpaid like Dame, but Dame is better and helps a Bucks team in a way Harden doesn’t. Dame is a team player. Harden is not.
Harden should retire. The 76ers should cut him if they can’t trade him.
Trey Murphy. Trigga. Watch out when he’s healthy
Will have my nephew memorize all Maxey’s moves 🤌🏽
Very respectable 💯
Ala Bruce Brown
Desmond bane
Absolutely, and I think there’s more to his game on top of that!
You forgot to mention Jordan Poole
kinda why monk was so effective in the playoffs
For sure, especially that game 1 down the stretch.
its funny how golden state is the one making people die by the three 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah they're a pretty advanced defensive team, so easy to execute any scheme when you have a guy like Draymond who can do everything.
How did everyone forget about Steph Curry. He's the best shooter ever, but he's really good at slashing
KCP is a good example