Engines of New York Central - S Motor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Engines of New York Central is back, and today I'm going over the quaint S Motors! The S Motors were built in response to a tragic accident in the New York Central & Hudson River Railroad's Park Avenue Tunnel. Little did the NYC know, these little engines would make history. It may not seem like it, but these pioneers of railroad electrification have a bit of a story and notable legacy behind them.
Music Used:
Super Mario RPG - Super Pipe House
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze - Staff Credits
Yume Nikki - Martian Underground
Vince Guaraldi - Linus and Lucy (John Berry Arrangement)
OMORI - H20HCL
Super Mario 3D World - Athletic Theme 2
OMORI - 100 Sunny
OMORI - By Your Side
Super Mario Galaxy 2 - Throwback Galaxy
Super Mario 64 - Title Theme
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You probably noticed I didn't announce which locomotive I was gonna talk about next in this series. Reason for that being is with some of the other NYC locomotives out there, I'm not sure how many free to use/public domain pictures or videos of them are out there. In other words, I don't want to announce "I'm doing (X) unit next!" and end up having to cancel it because of a lack of resources. So I'm just going to decide what the next episode will be on my own time. Just stay tuned and you'll eventually find out lol. Also thanks for watching this video!
You could talk about the 2-8-4’s on the B&A and the P&LE, they’ve got some interesting history and the B&A ones coined the nickname “Berkshire”.
I know there's alot of info out there about the H class mikados, F12 Ten Wheelers, and the K class pacifics, but it's ultimately up to you what you find to cover next!
GE/ALCO P-2 Electric Locomotive
You could always try to license the footage. That's what I'm trying to do for my own documentary. You end up paying less if it's for non-commercial purposes.
No one ever talks about the central’s berkshires, a video about what little info is available would be sweet.
Always found US electrics fascinating. Looking forward to more of these.
I figured a few lasted to PC, but Conrail?! That's crazy one of them was kept so long! Also wonderful we have three of them left, two in the same class no less!
I would have thought that some went over to the MTA for shunting at the Croton-on-Harmon yard.
An S motor was shown a few minutes after the beginning of the movie 12 Hours to Kill in 1960 coming out of the Park Avenue tunnel. The movie starred Barbara Eden.
I’m happy to say that the S-Motor #6000 and T-Motor #278 have been saved from the scrapper’s torch and moved to the Danbury Railway Museum for restoration!
My grandfather was a car knocker and maintenance man for the NYC, and worked in the Mott Haven yard in the Bronx, where cars were cleaned and light repairs were done, before they were moved across the East Rive and transferred to Grand Central Terminal. He retired just before the merger. My other grandfather was a maintenance man in the 180 St. Yard of the Subway system, so I have a bit of a soft spot for railroading in New York City.
I like the use of Linus and Lucy when introducing the s motors, overall a very interesting episode
You gotta love "Linus and Lucy"; the Vince Guaraldi originals are some of my favorite tunes of all time
Love this is much
So THAT'S what those old Lionel electric engines were based on! Nice video as always, love your choices for the background music as well
My Uncle John had a Lionel NYC S-Motor. It was the very first Lionel locomotive he ever got. My Uncle has passed away in 2017. However my Aunt Nancy does still have the Lionel NYC S-Motor, along with the other Lionel models.
Steam locomotives had horrid luck in preservation because the company's president at the time, Alfred E Perlman hated steam locomotive preservation, thinking it would make New York Central look outdated, and so ordered to have all steam locomotives cut up. It was due to that policy almost all NYC steam locomotives classes, including the Hudsons went extinct. But that still didn't stop 6721, 999, 3001, and 2933 from escaping in various ways that were all miraculous.
"I WANT THAT STEAM LOCOMOTIVE... OBLITERATED!"
This is bullshit fabricated by people who only have the internet as their source of lies and misinformation - Makes you look stupid man - what a way to exist
Very cool to learn about the history of the S motor. I'm a massive PC fan myself, so i naturally have a ton of pics of them in PC paint
I love the look of the S Motors. My dad used to have a prewar Lionel train based on the S Motor
Lionel did a nice job with their S Motor models in the prewar era, where they looked very much like the real New York Central S Motors, although it's a bit strange to me that they didn't offer a [prototypical] New York Central version of it then (for both wheel arrangement and paint scheme combination). It goes to show that the New York Central S Motor electric locomotives were a good design to make a locomotive out of tinplate tooling where it can retain a resemblance to the original, full-size locomotive. One thing I should mention is that when electrification was put into place, and when the steam locomotive ban was put in place in New York City in 1908, that only applied to Manhattan. Remember, New York City is made up of five boroughs, Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island. The other boroughs of New York City did have steam locomotives run well into the 1950s in total, it depends on the railroad(s) in question of course. Don't worry, you're not the first to make this error, I've seen/heard it in other videos before, and you do have another great video here. Great work!
Lionel did do quite a good job of making the S motor didn't they?
Early production were actually marked either NYC or NY, NH & H, in rather sobering paint schemes.
Ives did fairly convincing and well proportioned models in cast iron in gauge 0 and gauge 1, and a very good looking and fairly scale proportioned model in gauge 2, the early sheet metal models being provided with a well detailed cast iron frame. However these were expensive to make with many parts to be folded and soldered, and lionel designers had concluded that an emphasis on massive proportions, good colour, and bright stand out details was the key to success.
There were the more pricey models that had an addition of front and rear trucks, however wheel arrangements tended to be fairly loose at the best of times, most purchasers up until the diecast era generally accepting of the compromise for functionality.
Thing about the Park Ave. Tunnel crash was that although the smoke and steam was blamed, the engineer running the express that crashed into the back of the commuter train was known to be notoriously impatient and always in a hurry.
It was wasn't just a signal that was missed, it was a set of bright flares, and a loud gong bell that could be heard over the sound of the trains that was missed.
Anywho, the steam ban is still very much on the books. When Flying Scotsman visited New York during its USA tour, it had to have its fire dropped and be towed into the city by a GG1 electric loco.
As there was still a head of steam even without the fire as the boiler was still hot while this was going on, they opened the regulator so Scotsman would be huffing and puffing anyway.
Brilliant video, excellent start to finish. Been a massive fan of early Electrics for decades, and theres all too few enjoyable videos and publications.
This is really added to the library. You make great videos :)
Well done AmtrakGuy365 I have a great idea for another engines of series and I think this one should be considered the arch rival of the New York central engines of Pennsylvania (Engines of PRR). I think it should be mentioned because a lot of their engines have been preserved one is being built from the rails up from the ashes of them not being preserved and one that was a former excursion star is undergoing its second restoration back in the service and the two engines mentioned is T1 duplex number 5550 of the T1 Trust and K4 pacific number 1361 of the railroad museum in Altoona Pennsylvania it’s also historically noted that my great great great grandfather was an engineer for the Pennsylvania railroad and that was one of the engines he drove. I have an original Pennsylvania railroad rulebook and his original railroad pocket watch. It would be great if we did a series on engines of Pennsylvania railroad. Give this, I like if you’d like to see this come true.
Love the way you narrate! And interesting piece from America’s railway history!
Great work mate, love your content! Love from Australia
I gotta tell you the music choice for this was amazing!
one thing that fascinates me for American electric trains is their really long lifespan
Wanna see some really old American electric locomotives still in service? The Iowa Traction Railway still runs their Baldwin-Westinghouse steeplecabs, all of them built in the 1920s, in regular freight service. There's a bunch of YT videos about them.
75 years holy crap!
The one at IRM ran for a short period of time before the motors crapped out but even after that it was used as a shop compressor until that also died.
So you mean to tell me these little things from multiple years before WW1 were operating regularly into the 1960s?
*…damn…*
probably my favorite electric locomotive
The GG1 is second to it, then the little joes
Back when people built stuff to last.
3:48, that's some Looney Tunes type stuff 😂 Like one guy's glasses get taken off and another guy's button on his pants gets taken.
Never thought I'd hear Omori music on a train video but I am not complaining!
Another episode of Engines of New York Central the S-Motor. He's shedding light on the locomotives left behind with the merger between New York Central System and Pennsylvania Railroad for Penn Central Transportation Company or scrapped.
NICE Amtrakguy365 this is now my favorite episode I never knew the S motors where steeplecabs I love their Westinghouse Trombone Air whistles
You’re the best Jared!!!!
Personally I like the T-motors a lot more - the ones from after the reclassification of the S-motors.
One of my favorites
Cool train video.
Great! New video Very good I like it 👍🏾
Just Itching at the moment a T-Motor video will come out
if you consider subways to be part of railroading then no the park avenue crash wasn't the deadliest in the cty, that would be the Malbone St wreck
I was going to say that, too.
If you're sticking with "railroad" (and not subway), the 1907 derailment at Woodlawn (also within New York City, but in The Bronx instead of Manhattan) killed and injured more people.
They we good little shunters
Please upload more of these!
I remember them mostly because of Railroad Tycoon 3 as the first electric locomotive you can get.
Its finally here
I remember these (or at least a very similar steeplecab) from an OpenTTD play through I did with US trains, I never found these all that useful due to the low speed and somewhat low power, I mainly used electric interurbans and for my commuter and transfer networks, these were more expensive and not much stronger, and they were too weak and slow for my bigger trains. Trains like this really do make me wonder why the US electrified so little of their lines, so many railways could have run much more efficient trains with lower running costs…
Does any1 remember the " Worms?" They had a large platform like front. And how about the " Centipedes?" These models had lots of wheels mounted underneath, both of these types were used in the East only.
"I thought you said "Whistle Toot", but you said "Toot Whistle"."
ooooo me havent seen chanel longggg. now see. goooodddd.
hey jared i have a cool idea !
you should complete engines of new york central part 5!!!
You could say this train was, 'Magnetising'.....
I'll get my coat.....
Just curious, would you ever do any of the nyc tank engines or the ple berkshires?
Fun fact: The S-Motor is the basis for Woohoo in GeoTrax for Opie (Woohoo's Engineer). Which is why they are the most confused team of GeoTrax. 😅
I've always wondered what are those little pantographs on the roof for.
Switches! Grand Central's interlocking has a ton of crossover and slip-switches at which were too long to properly lay 3rd rail. EMU's could dodge this problem by relying on other units to power the train as one car ran over the "dead" section of track. The S-Motors, being the eonly source of electric pickup for the train, couldn't do that so there was always a risk of them stalling when taking multiple switches at a time. To counter this, the NYC installed fixed catenary (or an overhead third rail much like the Baltimore Belt Line) so they could still run without worrying about third rails messing up the switches. The tiny pantographs are for that, and the same goes for other locomotives running regularly into Grand Central, even up to the FL9's!
Great video! One thing I've always about these locos though, what are the smallish pantographs just off the cab ends? Were they used to power the locomotives from overhead wires while in a maintenance shop, third rail supposedly being too dangerous for the maintenance crews?
Those small pantographs were used when the loco went over complicated points and switches and there was breaks in the third rail that was longer than the loco. There was an overhead grid carrying the current in those places from which the pantographs picked up the current.
I really like these locomotives they are the best
Nice!
3:52 How did they get the S Motor down to the subway station? Apologies for my snarkiness but of course it happened at Grand Central Terminal.
Aren't these the same locomotives featured in RT3 as "2-D-2"? Or are we talking about different units?
Quick Question: If the S Motors were powered via Third Rail, why do they have little pantographs?
They were able to use Pantagraphs aswell
Nice , Will you mention NYC F12 and K11 soon?
75 tears of service for a few of the S-motors ! That's definitely getting your money's worth...lol.
The third preserved S-Motor has a full-size pantograph. I understand that the miniature pantographs also seen on the other units were for contacting a wire or rail on the ceiling when passing through track junctions where the side third rail had gaps, but what's the full-size pantograph for?
Woohoo from GeoTrax
Are you going to make an video about NYC's P motors?
nice
Charlie Brown music. Very nice.
I hope the P and T motors are next
I’m just making a guess that it might be the NYC K5 Pacific’s
Why did they have pantographs when they were 3rd rail powered?
I have a lionel train that looks really similar to it but its green and from the 1930s
What were their Horns/Whistles?
What horn did the S Motor use?
It's doubtful they ever wore them. Their range was always a tad short, and considering their age, they probably only had air whistles. Similar to the New York Subway's Arnines and similar old electrics
It’s can be assumed they either had simple air whistles, or later Lesile A200s or Wabco E2s
smol electric
I have the Lionel model of The S motors
what are going to disguss next?
5:13 dude there's 2 mowhakes
Hello!
Sadly engine 100 is at risk of behing scapped due to issues
S Motor 100 and T Motor 278 are already rescued from that abandoned area and are currently going through phases to restore them. However, the two diesels (Conrail GE U25B #2510 & ex NY Central and Amtrak alco RS3 #126) and four passenger cars that were there with them weren't able to be save and were instead scrapped in December.
😁
0:51
Dang im 21 mina late
Mario music eh?
:rodney:
goofy little engine :))
Its the shmotor
B o x
I want, that, steam engine!
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Third
S Motor wheelbase at high-speed GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Mmmm~ one of my personal NYC favorites. So much so that I made an OC of one
nice